[00:18] <Riddell> stdin: kdegraphics-kde4, kdenetwork-kde4, kdemultimedia-kde4, kdepim-kde4 uploaded
[00:18] <Riddell> kdegames-kde4 and kdeedu-kde4 too
[00:19] <stdin> I've already uploaded kdegames-kde4 and kdeedu-kde4, I'll do the others now
[00:21] <Riddell> you rock stdin
[00:22] <stdin> yes, I know :p
[00:22] <CheGuevara> heh
[00:33] <CheGuevara> http://www.bramschoenmakers.nl/node/299
[00:33] <CheGuevara> interesting
[00:55] <blizzzek> gn8
[00:55] <CheGuevara> night
[01:05] <limac> whens the kubuntu tutorial
[01:05] <limac> ?
[01:06] <Nightrose> limac: see topic
[01:08] <limac> when?
[01:08] <stdin> "Thursday 13th"
[01:08] <stdin> as it says in the topic
[01:09] <Nightrose> for exact times see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[01:09] <Nightrose> which is also in the topic
[01:15] <CheGuevara> some ppl are so polite
[02:25] <limac> can anyon here tell t=me the procedures of howto fixing a bug?
[02:25] <limac> tell
[02:30] <CheGuevara> huh
[02:31] <stdin> depends on what bug you're on about
[02:47] <limac> like the patching procedures and all that
[02:48] <stdin> there will be a bug triage talk on the 13th from 16:00 to 16:30 UTC
[02:57] <limac> thx
[03:58] <Cyrex> hi everyone, i wanted to know if anyone could join this channel when the tutorials on thursday come
[03:59] <stdin> everyone is welcome to join
[04:00] <Cyrex> thank you
[04:00] <Cyrex> well count me in on that day
[04:00] <Cyrex> ill have my notebook ready to take ideas
[04:00] <stdin> there's some links on the wiki page (in the topic) if you want a head start too
[04:03] <Cyrex> yeap
[04:03] <Cyrex> got them hehe
[08:13] <sebastian^> moin friends :)
[08:15]  * Hobbsee waves
[08:19]  * buz wonders if there are any kde4rc2 packages to give feedback on?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> there's 3.97, but it appears that most of them failed to build in gutsy
[08:37] <Hobbsee> grumble.  someone broke akregator.
[08:38] <Hobbsee> at least, under gnome
[08:39]  * Hobbsee purges tracker
[08:41] <buz> mhh so i would have to install hardy first
[08:41] <buz> may do that tonight :P
[10:23] <mikkael> installing kdebase-dev-kde4 on hardy will remove kdm, konqueror kdesktop and other essential kde3 stuff ? why that :(
[10:26] <Riddell> ah Hobbsee, could you up the priority of the kdepimlibs build?
[10:26] <Riddell> mikkael: because of a transition which I'm currently re-uploading bits to fix
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hardy?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: looks like some ftbfs for ppa, too
[10:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[10:27] <mikkael> Riddell: thanks for the info
[10:27] <Hobbsee> rescored
[10:28] <Riddell> whee
[10:30] <mhb> hello
[10:36]  * Hobbsee curses compiz
[10:43] <buz> i gave up on compiz
[10:43] <buz> having xorg crash 4 times a day is not conducive to working
[10:43] <Riddell> try kwin-kde4
[10:47] <Hobbsee> only 4?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> it's hardy and the intel driver and compiz and yeah...it dosen't all play nice
[10:56] <_buz> Riddell: kwin4 refuses to do compositing on my machine
[10:56] <_buz> which is weird considering that compiz works perfectly except for the crashes
[10:57] <_buz> i had planned on filing a bug report
[10:57] <_buz> maybe i should do that now :P
[11:04] <Riddell> grr, hal broke kdepimlibs compile!
[11:56] <manchicken> Morning all you happy people.
[12:01] <Riddell> hola
[12:11] <stdin> Riddell: hmm, doesn't look like thinks went too well last night. kdelibs5-dev doesn't want to install on hardy "kdelibs5-dev: Depends: libopenexr-dev but it is not going to be installed"  gutsy builds went ok except kdemultimedia (only i386 built)
[12:13] <Riddell> stdin: yeah, seems libopenexr transitioned to a new binary package last night
[12:13] <Riddell> I'll look at multimedia in a bit thanks
[12:16] <stdin> oh, and the kdebase from hardy solved the overwrite problems
[12:17] <Riddell> phew, something went right :)
[12:18] <Riddell> stdin: you can just upload kde4libs again to fix the openexr problem if you want
[12:21] <stdin> kde4libs and kdepimlibs built, just everything that depends on them didn't :p but I'll requeue them
[12:24] <Riddell> stdin: yeah but now they need to be rebuilt so they depend on the new libopenexr
[12:25] <Riddell> in hardy
[12:42] <stdin> Riddell: quick question, shouldn't kdelibs5-dev be "Architecture: all" rather than "Architecture: any" ?
[12:44] <Riddell> stdin: -dev packages tend not to be
[12:45] <Riddell> it makes it easier to handle transitions like this libopenexr one for example
[12:46] <stdin> ah, I was just wondering why it downloaded a _i386.deb when I installed
[13:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: kdelibs4-dev is missing a dep: Depends: libopenexr-dev (>= 1.2.2-3) but it is not going to be installed (if you don't know)
[13:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: what version of kdelibs4-dev?
[13:46] <Riddell> 4:3.5.8-4ubuntu3 should be compiled against the new libopenexr
[13:46] <jpatrick> Riddell: lastest one I guess, it's wrecked my buildds
[13:48] <jpatrick> powerpc and sparc builds of tork and ia64 of krita-plugins
[13:51] <Riddell> anything which depends on libopenexr2c2a needs to be rebuilt against the new libopenexr
[13:52] <Serega> Good day
[13:53] <rebugger> hi
[13:53] <Riddell> that includes koffice, with the new kdelibs in I can upload that now
[13:53] <Riddell> hi Serega, rebugger
[13:55] <rebugger> its no problem to Log the channel on the KubuntuTutorialsDay and publish it on the ubuntuusers.de-board? (board of the german-community)
[13:55] <rebugger> or is it?
[13:55] <rebugger> or will there be an official log?
[13:55] <Riddell> rebugger: we'll do that anyway
[13:55] <rebugger> check ;)
[13:56] <Riddell> but doing it yourself would provide a fallback
[13:56] <rebugger> allright, i'll do that
[13:57] <jpatrick> Riddell: odd, how it looks for >= 1.2.2-3 but can't find 1.2.2-4.3
[13:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: it's apt being unclear.  it can find it but it doesn't want to install it (probably because it would require removing something else)
[13:58] <jpatrick> ah, ok, so I'll have to wait
[14:01] <Riddell> jpatrick: krita-plugins will need to wait on koffice 1.6.3-4ubuntu4
[14:01] <Riddell> tork should just need kdelibs 4:3.5.8-4ubuntu3
[14:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: well, I thought I'd pbuild them again, and if they work, I'll ask for a give-back
[14:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: make sure to use archive.u.c not xx.a.u.c and to run pbuilder update
[14:03] <jpatrick> my pbuild's always on archive.*
[14:09] <georg> hallo
[14:09] <jpatrick> hallo georg
[14:25] <Riddell> rebugger: is ubuntuusers.de advertising tutorials day?
[14:25] <rebugger> Riddell: yes, it does it in "Ikhaya" (so is the blog called): http://ubuntuusers.de/ikhaya/838/
[14:26] <Riddell> great
[14:27] <rebugger> ubuntuusers is the biggest german ubuntu-community i guess - great wiki, great board, 55000 users, 1million posts :)
[14:54] <bogdan_> hello.. all my trash:/ remote:/ type paths stopped working after the last updates to hardy .. i think kdelibs4c2a and kdelibs-data were the only important packages updated
[14:58] <bogdan_> umm.. i think the update removed kdebase, kubuntu-desktop and other stuff
[15:01] <smcintyre> That seems counter intuitive
[15:02] <gribelu> what does?
[15:02] <smcintyre> updating kubuntu-desktop removes kubuntu-desktop
[15:03] <gribelu> i ran apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[15:04] <gribelu> this is the log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47831/
[15:05] <gribelu> and this is what happends when i try installing kdebase .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47832/
[15:05] <gribelu> seems like some broke dependencies
[15:05] <gribelu> *broken
[15:06] <Hobbsee> ...so, fix it?
[15:06] <Hobbsee> or at least see where the problme actually is
[15:07] <Riddell> it'll be libopenexr
[15:07] <gribelu> clicking on the second link might make that pretty clear
[15:08] <gribelu> anyway.. just reporting
[15:10] <Hobbsee> gribelu: no, that just says that apt could not install a few things - it didn't say why they could not be installed.
[15:10] <Hobbsee> which is the point of interest.
[15:12] <gribelu> well since the update was only uploaded a short while ago i thought someone may know something about it.. as i said i only wanted to report this as it kind of breaks kubuntu badly
[15:14] <Riddell> gribelu: you'll need to wait for kdebase 3.5.8-2ubuntu4 to compile
[15:15] <gribelu> no rush ;)
[15:49] <bddebian> Heya
[16:07] <seele> anyone know if Josef Spillner is on IRC (and what his /nick is?)
[16:11] <mhb> seele: hi
[16:11] <seele> hey
[16:12] <seele> it has been forever, but do you have a few minutes to go over restricted manager? hehe
[16:12] <mhb> now I do :o)
[16:12] <seele> ok great
[16:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you doing archive admin stuff?
[16:13] <Riddell> seele: he's not in irc much, I can't even remember his nick
[16:13] <Riddell> ScottK: a bit
[16:13] <seele> Riddell: ok, thanks
[16:14] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have time, I was wondering if you could have a look after Bug 175366 and Bug 156500
[16:18] <Riddell> ok
[16:19] <ScottK> Thanks.  LP is being slow so the bot timed out.
[16:19] <nixternal> hola
[16:19] <ScottK> salut
[16:19] <nixternal> 1 more project to do and this semester is over with!
[16:20] <nixternal> then it is back to KoooooooooBoooooooonToooooooooo
[16:21] <Riddell> nixternal: yay
[16:29] <mhb> nixternal: don't remind me of it :o)
[16:29] <mhb> semester over = examination time
[16:30] <mhb> even less time for the Koo.
[16:33] <nixternal> I have 2 exams next week, but I am not even sweating those
[16:33] <nixternal> C++ and Javascript, 2 easy aces
[16:37] <mhb> nixternal: right.
[16:38] <mhb> nixternal: I've got math analysis, linear algebra and discrete mathematics this year as (oral) exams.
[16:39] <nixternal> ouch
[16:40] <mhb> nixternal: at our faculty, no matter what you study (math, physics, CS) you end up with those ( in the first year)
[16:41] <nixternal> I hate oral exams
[16:41] <nixternal> Linux to the rescue...our professor is so dumb, she can't get Tomcat running...set her up a quick account on my server and put her to work :p
[16:44] <jpatrick> hello nixternal
[16:45] <nixternal> wasabi jpatrick
[17:04] <arekm> hello, is there a workaround for adept "upgrade to new distro" failure where it says there is no new packages?
[17:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Any chance you'd be willing to NEW the dapper package for dkim-milter?
[17:21] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't see it in dapper-backports New
[17:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Odd.  It wasn't in Dapper before.
[17:22] <ScottK> I'd guess it has to hit a publisher run first or something.
[17:24] <nixternal> man, updates today want to remove everything
[17:25] <coreymon77> huh? was there a major update released recently?
[17:25] <nixternal> kdegraphics packages, oo.o (which I could care less if it removes it)
[17:25] <nixternal> if you are running Hardy, then yes
[17:25] <coreymon77> no
[17:25] <coreymon77> gutsy
[17:25] <blizzzek> bye
[17:27] <Riddell> it's libopenexr
[17:27] <Riddell> let me know what's still a problem
[17:27] <nixternal> anyone use xrandr with kubuntu in here? didn't their used to be a krandr applet or something?
[17:27] <nixternal> Riddell: me?
[17:29] <Riddell> nixternal: anyone :)
[17:30] <nixternal> remove: digikam, kdebase-kio-plugins, kdegraphics-kfile-plugins, kmail, kmailcvt, kmplayer-konq-plugins, knights, koffice, konq-plugins, konqueror, konqueror-nsplugins, kontact, krita, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts, libopenexr2ldbl, oo.o, oo.o-base, showfoto, strigi-applet
[17:31] <nixternal> kubuntu-desktop possibly the problem there? it wants to remove that, so then the rest are from the trickle down effect from the meta package? :)
[17:32] <nixternal> heading home, see ya in a bit
[17:32] <ScottK> nixternal: Shouldn't be.  Everything in the metapackage should be a recommends, not a depends.
[17:32] <Riddell> not everything
[17:32] <Riddell> but as I've said, the problem is libopenexr
[18:40] <jpatrick_> Riddell: could you possibly review and upload bug 175336 later?
[18:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175336 in qtparted "Candidate for version 0.4.5-2ubuntu13" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175336
[19:09] <yuriy> hmm so how about this acting gracefully when disk is full thing :P
[19:11]  * buz burns hardy
[19:23] <innovati> 7.10 is the current ubuntu, is there a roadmap toward the next release anywhere?
[19:33] <blueyed> Is it possible to only build the konsole package for the kdebase source package?
[19:54] <mikkael> its so sad to see all those kde 3.97 packages but i cant install them without removing kdebase-bin-kde3 .. do i just have to wait ?
[19:54] <CheGuevara> i got both installed fine
[19:55] <CheGuevara> what line are u using to install
[19:55] <mikkael> sudo aptitude install kdebase-dev-kde4
[19:55] <mikkael> on hardy
[19:56] <CheGuevara> unless u plan to develop KDE 4 u can just get kdebase-kde4
[19:56] <CheGuevara> and kdebase-workspace along with kdebase-runtime
[19:56] <yuriy> innovati: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[19:56] <innovati> yuriy: thanks
[19:56] <CheGuevara> kde4-core from universe should be able to pull needed things in for u as well
[19:57] <yuriy> innovati: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:57] <mikkael> i got problems with dependencies
[19:57] <innovati> yuriy: <3
[19:58] <CheGuevara> mikkael, pastebin.ca the output
[19:58] <mikkael> here, sorry it's german http://de.pastebin.ca/812451
[19:59] <CheGuevara> #
[19:59] <CheGuevara> Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
[19:59] <CheGuevara> #
[19:59] <CheGuevara>   kdebase-bin-kde3
[19:59] <CheGuevara> that means removed right?
[19:59] <mikkael> yeah
[20:00] <mikkael> whats that libopenexr stuff ?
[20:00] <mikkael> i upgraded today from gutsy to hardy, maybe there lies my problem
[20:01] <ScottK> earlier Riddell said libopenexr is currently broken.
[20:02] <CheGuevara> is kdebase-bin-kde3 even needed?
[20:02] <CheGuevara> i don't have it installed
[20:07] <mikkael> im lost in dependency hell
[20:08] <CheGuevara> damn libopenexr, dist-upgrade is b0rked for me as well, though am sure Riddel knows about it
[20:12]  * nixternal does the Java is working with a cheap hack/work around dance!
[20:12] <nixternal> CheGuevara: yes, already knows :)
[20:12] <CheGuevara> we shall wait then :P
[20:12] <mikkael> i think ill try removing libopenexr2c2a, this will remove kubuntu-desktop and kdegraphics-kfile-plugins
[20:13] <nixternal> I was getting close to installing a workable distro for a second, but thank goodness for someone in the forums
[20:13] <CheGuevara> mikkael, just leave it until its fixed
[20:13] <mikkael> dont know how important the kdegraphics-kfile-plugins package is
[20:14] <fdoving> nixternal: which distro? - hardy?
[20:16] <nixternal> said distro, not release :p
[20:16] <fdoving> ah.
[20:16] <fdoving> oh well, i've got mandriva and opensuse in virtualbox.
[20:17] <nixternal> I have Fedora 8, Debian, Foresight, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu headless running KDE 4 on my desktop
[20:17] <fdoving> but i've got too much apt/dpkg in my blood to enjoy using them.
[20:17] <nixternal> but I need stability for my laptop and it hasn't been there since the dist-upgrade to Hardy
[20:17] <nixternal> usually during a development cycle I have no problems
[20:17] <nixternal> but thus far in Hardy, it has been far worse than anything in the past
[20:18] <nixternal> fdoving: I am the same, it is so hard to like anything other than apt/dpkg
[20:18] <fdoving> yep.
[20:18] <nixternal> although I must say, the Fedora crew rocked out KDE with Fedora 8...super fast and stable
[20:18] <fdoving> i've come to the conclusion, that for me, debian is the only alternative to *buntu.
[20:19] <nixternal> no doubt
[20:19] <fdoving> untill the kids grow up and i stop working, get some free time to learn something new.
[20:19] <nixternal> ya, with Fedora, all I can do is use it, nothing more than that
[20:21] <nixternal> wth is up with nspluginviewer constantly crashing
[20:29] <fdoving> nixternal: you have a new flash version. it sux.
[20:29] <fdoving> nixternal: that is, konqueror doesn't support XEmbed or something like that. which the new flash requires.
[20:30] <fdoving> downgrade to the gutsy flashplugin and it all works.
[20:31] <fdoving> you probably need to copy /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz from a gutsy machine.
[20:31] <fdoving> or ask me to get it.
[20:31] <fdoving> as adobe replaced it with a new one on their servers.
[20:32] <fdoving> so everyone installing flashplugin-nonfree in gutsy will get a constantly crashing flash... or no flash, as the package probably finds it doesn't match the md5sums it should.
[20:32] <fdoving> bad adobe.
[20:36] <nixternal> fdoving: you rock :)
[20:36] <fdoving> i was lucky. tried to upgrade to the new flash the other day.
[20:36] <nixternal> I was just updating, not paying attention...today was the first day I went through and paid attention :)
[21:01] <buz> hmm hardy still has no drivers for my soundcard :P
[21:02] <Riddell> buz: report a bug?
[21:02] <buz> Riddell: that was pretty much useless in case of feisty
[21:02] <buz> and there were lots of reports
[21:03] <buz> eventually someone came up with a half working package
[21:03] <Riddell> there's a larger linux team now
[21:03] <ScottK> buz: Whining on IRC is even less likely to be successful.
[21:03] <Riddell> and it's got to be better than complaining here where we have about zero linux developers :)
[21:03] <buz> i'm not really whining, more astonished :P
[21:03] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:04] <buz> (i can trivially fix it by compiling alsa)
[21:04] <ScottK> buz: If you can supply a patch with your bug, your odds of satisfaction go WAY up.
[21:04] <CheGuevara> buz, is it ALCxxx forgot the numbers
[21:04] <buz> no its STAC920X
[21:04] <buz> ScottK: patch is called "update alsa to 1.0.15"
[21:05] <CheGuevara> it is updated to 1.0.15 in hardy
[21:05] <buz> mhh
[21:05] <buz> then why am i not seeing /dev/dsp
[21:05] <CheGuevara> cheguevara@cheguevara-laptop:~/Desktop$ alsactl --version
[21:05] <CheGuevara> alsactl version 1.0.15
[21:06] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php RC 2 out (mostly)
[21:06] <buz> lol
[21:06] <buz> i was just typing the question about that one :P
[21:07] <buz> ah well hardy is gonna come in handy for testing no matter what
[21:08]  * jpatrick damns the fact that we've packaged just about ever good kapp out there
[21:09] <CheGuevara> ah ur not telling ppl to install -dev packages
[21:09] <CheGuevara> good :P
[21:09] <ardchoille> I have, or at least I believe I have, completed most of the requirements to become an Ubuntu member. Which meeting must I attend to complete the process?
[21:10] <ardchoille> Is it this Thursday?
[21:10] <jpatrick> ardchoille: it's... today!
[21:10] <limac> does anyone know the conversion factor of the UTC time zone and the eastern timezone?
[21:10] <ScottK> ardchoille: Ubuntu member or Kubuntu member?
[21:10] <ScottK> limac: US?
[21:10] <CheGuevara> limac, google might
[21:10] <CheGuevara> :P
[21:10] <limac> ScottK= yes
[21:10] <ScottK> limac: -0500 right now
[21:11] <ardchoille> ScottK: I wasn't aware there were two. I use kubuntu, so probably kubuntu member. Where do I need to be?
[21:11] <limac> good idea
[21:11] <limac> :D
[21:12] <Riddell> ardchoille: great, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[21:12] <Riddell> Wednesday 12th Demember at 23:00 UTC
[21:12] <limac> CheGuevara and ScottK: Got it  it's 5 hours! :)
[21:12] <gribelu> are the hardy kde4rc2 packages up? for rc1 it took ages
[21:12] <ardchoille> Riddell: Thank you
[21:12] <jpatrick> gribelu: see above^^
[21:13] <ScottK> The other option is to get Ubuntu member and then whine to Hobbsee until she marks you down as a Kubuntu member too.
[21:13] <ardchoille> ScottK: Ok, Ubuntu member is where I'd like to be.
[21:13] <gribelu> i did see but the kubuntu announcement only mentions gutsy
[21:14] <CheGuevara> if u use hardy you should've gotten rc 2 some days ago
[21:14] <jpatrick> gribelu: those are the backports of the hardy
[21:14] <ScottK> ardchoille: Then you need to add yourself to the community council meeting agenda, IIRC.
[21:14] <gribelu> ah cool.. i was just asking because last time the packages were out for gutsy first and hardy last (way later(
[21:15] <CheGuevara> ok i am confused now
[21:15] <CheGuevara> Riddell, do hardy users need to do apt-get remove kdelibs5
[21:16] <ardchoille> ScottK: Already done I believe.
[21:17] <ScottK> OK.
[21:20] <Riddell> ScottK: meh, he should be a kubuntu member
[21:20] <Riddell> CheGuevara: I expect there's overlapping files
[21:20] <buz> whats the thing with "kdebase-bin-kde3"
[21:21] <ScottK> Riddell: But if you go the get Ubuntu member and whine to hobbsee approach, then there's the added thrill of danger involved.
[21:21]  * buz hopes he got the update right
[21:22] <CheGuevara> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/812541 does that look right
[21:22] <buz> CheGuevara: looks like what it did to me
[21:22] <buz> we'll see shortly if it was right
[21:23] <buz> wait a few seconds if you want to know what happens :P
[21:23] <CheGuevara> lol kk
[21:23] <gribelu> so umm .. about kde4rc2 on hardy.. installing kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime doesn't work (dependencies missing) but installing kdelibs5 works. Is that normal?
[21:24] <CheGuevara> kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime are installed fine here
[21:25] <CheGuevara> which deps are missing?
[21:25] <gribelu> i'll paste, one sec
[21:25] <buz> after login in kdm i get a black screen then get bumped back to kdm
[21:25] <CheGuevara> buz: workies? :P
[21:25] <CheGuevara> oh
[21:25] <CheGuevara> whats .xsession-errors saying?
[21:26] <gribelu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47875/
[21:26] <buz> looks to me like x is crashing really
[21:27] <CheGuevara> gribelu, thats on hardy?
[21:27] <gribelu> yup
[21:27] <gribelu> i even have the ppa repo with hardy
[21:27] <buz> yup x crashes
[21:28] <CheGuevara> that could be the problem
[21:28] <CheGuevara> u only need the hardy repos not ppa
[21:28] <gribelu> one sec
[21:28] <gribelu> same thing
[21:29] <CheGuevara> u did apt-get update after u removed the ppas?
[21:29] <gribelu> this is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47879/
[21:29] <gribelu> and yes, i did
[21:29] <buz> startkde does something weird
[21:30] <buz> http://pastebin.ca/812552
[21:30] <CheGuevara> buz, post ur startkde
[21:31] <CheGuevara> on pastebin
[21:31] <buz> lemme try again
[21:31] <buz> i will reinstall kde4rc2 first
[21:31] <CheGuevara> the startkde has a typo
[21:31] <CheGuevara> that removes the current path env
[21:31] <CheGuevara> which is why it's not finding those programs
[21:33] <buz> export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:ATH THATS the typo yes
[21:33] <buz> but easily fixed
[21:33] <CheGuevara> yeah :P
[21:33] <Riddell> I should have fixed that
[21:33] <Riddell> gutsy or hardy?
[21:34] <gribelu> CheGuevara: i pasted my repos up there somewhere.. forgot to 'call' your name
[21:34] <buz> yeah now it works
[21:34] <buz> gutsy
[21:34] <CheGuevara> yeah was just looking at them, everything looks fine
[21:34] <stdin> Riddell: both I'd guess  "echo export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH >> debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde"  in debian/rules
[21:35] <CheGuevara> if u did apt-get update then my only guess would be that the hardy repo packages accidentally depend on ppa packages
[21:35] <CheGuevara> though i am sure that's not the case
[21:35] <gribelu> CheGuevara: this is the error after removing the ppa http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47880/
[21:36] <gribelu> different package names, but same packages
[21:36] <gribelu> i mean versions not names
[21:36] <CheGuevara> yeah that looks more right :P
[21:36] <gribelu> and the repos are exactly the ones above
[21:37] <gribelu> ah.. this looks right you say? :)))
[21:37] <CheGuevara> as in the ppa postfix is gone :P
[21:39] <gribelu> CheGuevara: so should i wait for the packages to make their way into the repos or is there something wrong with my setup (i doubt it?)
[21:39] <CheGuevara> gribelu, did u have kde rc1 installed?
[21:39] <CheGuevara> kdebase-runtime 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu3 been in archives since dec 08
[21:39] <CheGuevara> so I don't see how its a repo problem
[21:41] <gribelu> CheGuevara: no
[21:41] <gribelu> as in i didn't have rc1
[21:41] <buz> mhh now i get white frames when i try to activate opengl compositing :P
[21:41] <CheGuevara> i had to disable compositing in Xorg to get kde 4 to start
[21:42] <buz> well in rc1 it simply told me i had no compositing
[21:42] <CheGuevara> right let me delete kdelibs5 on my system
[21:42] <buz> never mind that compiz works
[21:42] <gribelu> i guess i'll just skip rc2 as well.. no reason to waste your time
[21:42] <CheGuevara> yeah same here
[21:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: I believe it didn't work because CAPS vars have to have () in the rules file
[21:42] <buz> yeah i guess that works
[21:44] <buz> CheGuevara: what graphics card do you have
[21:44] <CheGuevara> intel
[21:44] <buz> which one
[21:45] <buz> i have the 965 AKA GMA X3100
[21:45] <CheGuevara> 945 GM
[21:46] <CheGuevara> i bet the kde 4 compositing gets less testing on intel then ati/nvidia
[21:47] <buz> which is slightly absurd but never mind :
[21:47] <buz> P
[21:47] <nixternal> CheGuevara: I just now caught your name...I took some flack for wearing an 'El Che' t-shirt from the student union on campus
[21:48] <CheGuevara> heh
[21:48] <nixternal> I think I have worn that shirt out by now
[21:48] <CheGuevara> i got some yesterday on this chan :P
[21:48] <nixternal> after they gave me flack, I wore it for a week straight
[21:48] <buz> weird student union
[21:48] <CheGuevara> lol
[21:48] <buz> usually they are as leftist as one could possibly be
[21:48] <nixternal> ya, I got on them for atempting to supress my freedom of speach and expression :)
[21:49] <CheGuevara> lol lol
[21:49] <nixternal> one of these days, I will finally spell speech correctly
[21:49] <CheGuevara> right let me reboot and see what this did to my system
[21:49] <nixternal> I just finished a paper on DRM, and every time I used the word, it was spelled wrong
[21:50] <buz> in what area?
[21:50] <claydoh> hmmp freedom of speech. try wearing a Mets tshirt up here in the NE in 1986 :)
[21:50] <gribelu> a little problem with the latest updates (after the previous update uninstalled kubuntu-desktop: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't work because it depends on kdegraphics-kfile-plugins and that depends on libopenexr2c2a (>= 1.2.2) which can't be installed
[21:50] <claydoh> might as well been wearing a Che t shirt lol
[21:51] <nixternal> claydoh: hahahaha
[21:51] <nixternal> I wear a cubs shirt, so I usually get the sympathy effect
[21:51] <claydoh> heh
[21:51] <nixternal> buz: Fair Use
[21:52] <buz> so law?
[21:52] <nixternal> a bit of it, yes
[21:52] <jpatrick> gribelu: it's a transition, it's been worked on
[21:52] <gribelu> jpatrick: thanks, just making sure the right people knew about it
[21:52] <nixternal> it was more toned down so people who never heard of it could understand just how bogus DRM is, and the facts and figures the copyright industries are using to back their fight are skewed
[21:53] <buz> personally i think they make those numbers up
[21:53] <buz> (to not use an even worse way of saying it)
[21:53] <nixternal> RIAA reported that the industry has lost billions of dollars, yes for the past 10 years, the copyright industry has provided a steady increase in the GDP of the US
[21:53] <claydoh> drm lol. I work at Wendy's and they are doing a Rhapsody tie in, free music
[21:53] <nixternal> the IIPA actually creates the real facts, and they are out of Washington, so I was expecting to see facts and figures that would agree with the RIAA, but I was shocked to find the opposite
[21:54] <claydoh> first thing I told my boss is some people will be complaining that thay can't play the stuff on their ipods
[21:54] <Riddell> gribelu: updated kdegraphics should be compiling now
[21:54] <claydoh> so Wendy's recently sent a mail to all the stores/franchises about it recently
[21:55] <nixternal> Riddell: great job on getting all of the K* stuff fixed with openexr!
[21:56] <nixternal> I just checked after an update, and all but 2 things were left, but should be fixed after kdegraphics finishes
[21:56] <cheguevara> ok KDE4 vanished from KDM sessions list
[21:56] <nixternal> now Chris just needs to rebuild OO.o
[21:58] <Riddell> cheguevara: does /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop point to a file that is executable
[21:59] <cheguevara> Riddell, basically apt-get remove kdelibs5 seems to have deleted all or most of KDE 4
[21:59] <gribelu> cheguevara: i found my problem.. so for example kdebase-runtime depended on kdebase-runtime-bin (which "is not going to be installed").. so kdebase-runtime-bin depends on libopenexr2c2a (>= 1.2.2) and that was broken by an earlier hardy update
[21:59] <cheguevara> and i can't install back kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime 'cause i get exact some dep problems as gribelu now
[21:59] <gribelu> the update that removed kdebase, kubuntu-desktop an so on
[21:59] <gribelu> aaahaaa
[21:59] <gribelu> !!
[21:59] <gribelu> :)))
[22:00] <cheguevara> yep
[22:00] <cheguevara>   kdebase-runtime-bin: Depends: libopenexr2c2a (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[22:00] <gribelu> libopenexr killed everything all day today
[22:01] <gribelu> someone will be spanked
[22:01] <cheguevara> so Riddell needs to fix kdebase-runtime I believe
[22:01] <stdin> -workspace actually
[22:02] <gribelu> there was a bad build earlier today.. and all hell broke loose
[22:02] <Riddell> fixing kde4 packages for libopenexr is waiting on hal to be fixed so kdepimlibs can compile
[22:02] <cheguevara> kdebase-runtime-bin is in kdebase-runtime isn't it?
[22:02] <cheguevara> oh right Riddell
[22:02] <gribelu> is there any specific time of day/week/month when it's safe to upgrade? :)
[22:03] <cheguevara> weekends unless someone b0rked smthing on friday lol
[22:03] <gribelu> so, no
[22:03] <stdin> depends on the position of the moon over uranus
[22:03] <cheguevara> lol
[22:03] <gribelu> :))
[22:03] <cheguevara> right so no KDE 4 for us today lol
[22:03] <nixternal> I thought the moon was made up of uranus
[22:03] <nixternal> you can't moon without uranus
[22:04] <buz> weird
[22:04] <nixternal> ya it was
[22:04] <buz> now it kde4 crashes again after login
[22:04] <claydoh> but makes sense...
[22:06] <gribelu> for the people that got to try kde4rc2... is it usable or pretty much the same as rc1?
[22:06] <buz> ok, maybe one should suggest that people nuke ~/.kde4 if they see weird issues
[22:06] <buz> gribelu: i'm trying to figure that one out
[22:06] <cheguevara> its pretty usable imho
[22:06] <cheguevara> been running it for the last couple of days full time
[22:07] <gribelu> hm that's good news
[22:07] <cheguevara> but then i was running rc1 full time as well :P
[22:07] <gribelu> oh
[22:07] <gribelu> poo
[22:07] <buz_kde4> seems more useable than rc1
[22:07] <buz_kde4> but still nowhere near kde 3.5
[22:08] <cheguevara> ability to have icons on desktop would be nice though :P
[22:08] <gribelu> i don't use them so that's ok
[22:09] <buz_kde4> actually being able to use a browser would help
[22:09] <cheguevara> firefox?
[22:09] <buz_kde4> respectively being able to launch it from kickoff
[22:09] <gribelu> "but it's so pretty"
[22:09] <cheguevara> would be even more pretty if the compositing stuff worked :P
[22:09] <gribelu> the rc tag isn't what it used to be
[22:10] <cheguevara> a month left till release
[22:10] <cheguevara> and plasma is still not feature complete
[22:10] <buz_kde4> there are serious redrawing issues with some apps
[22:10] <gribelu> but somehow i guess they had to force people into paying more attention to kde4 development
[22:10] <cheguevara> http://games.kde.org/new/counter/
[22:11] <buz_kde4> rc2 feels about beta1 like
[22:11] <limac> hey try looking at this linux based computer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC: with kde!
[22:11] <gribelu> it's a computer
[22:12] <gribelu> great article there though
[22:12] <cheguevara> when oh when will https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/003114.html show up in adept :P
[22:12] <cheguevara> so i can finally use wifi with .24
[22:13] <buz> you can use wifi with .24
[22:13] <buz> not very hard, really
[22:13] <gribelu> i'm still trying to disable nvidiafb so i can use the real nvidia driver
[22:13] <gribelu> on .24
[22:13] <cheguevara> not intel wifi
[22:13] <cheguevara> the firmware is missing
[22:13] <buz> sure you can
[22:13] <cheguevara> well yeah i know i can
[22:13] <buz> you just need to copy the firmware in the right place
[22:13] <buz> thats how i use wifi on 23.9
[22:15] <buz> but since i cant compile alsa against .24 i dont have sound with that one
[22:15] <gribelu> as they said on the forums .. Let our development team work and "its ready when its ready"...
[22:15] <gribelu> :|
[22:16] <gribelu> bad grammar too
[22:17] <buz> "You may get only white rectangles if DRI is not enabled or fails to initialize"
[22:17] <buz> mhh but glxinfo says direct rendering works
[22:19] <gribelu> i have an unrelated question.. when will the kdesudo package be fixed?
[22:19] <cheguevara> whats wrong with it
[22:20] <gribelu> well.. it doesn't work in kcontrol, gdebi-kde or anything of that kind
[22:20] <gribelu> i always install the gutsy package
[22:21] <gribelu> there are at least 3 bug reports that i know of
[22:21] <gribelu> hardy has 1.4 and gutsy has 1.1
[22:21] <jpatrick> gribelu: I could ask for a backport
[22:22] <cheguevara> hmm i just fount an interesting bug
[22:22] <cheguevara> if u don't have xorg.conf
[22:22] <jpatrick> gribelu: but is it not in security?
[22:22] <cheguevara> or if it doesn't have certain sections
[22:22] <gribelu> 1.4 throws a "command not found" error message right after i give it my password
[22:22] <cheguevara> Monitor & Displace in kcontrol doesn't load at all
[22:22] <cheguevara> *Display
[22:22] <gribelu> it works if i run it directly like "kdesu kate" or whatever
[22:24] <gribelu> no it just dies after requesting the password (for example, administrator mode in kcontrol)
[22:24] <gribelu> 1.1 from gutsy repos just works with no problems..
[22:24] <gribelu> how do i request a backport?
[22:25] <jpatrick> gribelu: I think the updates were bug/security fixes tho
[22:26] <gribelu> i'm just asking because many days went past since the bug surfaced
[22:26] <gribelu> and nothing happend
[22:26] <jpatrick> have you filed a bug against kdesudo?
[22:27] <gribelu> when i tried to i found about 3-4 bug reports about it.. and i just posted the solution to one of them
[22:27] <gribelu> the solution is to install the gutsy package
[22:27] <gribelu> unfortunately i have to do that everytime i run dist-upgrade :)
[22:29] <gribelu> i think the recent kdesudo doesn't support some of the old kdesu arguments
[22:29] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/burning.jpg  <- have to admit, that is kind of cool, caught me by surprise as I had never noticed it before
[22:29] <gribelu> puffy
[22:29] <gribelu> looks like crap :)))
[22:31] <nixternal> haha
[22:32] <gribelu> at least their compositing thing is stable... or maybe not because windows still crashes and noone knows why
[22:34] <cheguevara> and it doesn't work at all on intel
[22:36] <gribelu> not working = stable!
[22:41] <gribelu> anyway.. this is kdesudo bug i was talking about. The title isn't all that cool https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/172749
[22:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172749 in kdesudo "Error kdesudo command not found when installing deb packages" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:41] <gribelu> that's the one :)
[22:42] <Riddell> tonio is doing kdesudo
[22:42] <gribelu> good for him
[22:44] <gribelu> i thought more people would've hit this bug
[22:44] <gribelu> it's pretty old by now
[22:46] <jpatrick> gribelu: what does "gdb kdesudo kate" give?
[22:46] <gribelu> one sec
[22:48] <gribelu> it doesn't like kate
[22:48] <gribelu>  /home/bogdan/kate: No such file or directory.
[22:49] <jpatrick> just kdesudo kate in the console?
[22:49] <gribelu> ah that works
[22:49] <gribelu> it only dies in apps like kcontrol that 'summon' it
[22:50] <gribelu> launching user control from kcontrol uses this command: /usr/bin/kdesu --nonewdcop -n -d -iuserconfig.png /usr/bin/kcmshell System/userconfig --embed-proxy 44040972 --lang en_US
[22:50] <jpatrick> hell?
[22:50] <gribelu> running that command in konsole it says: kdesu: Unknown option '--embed-proxy'.
[22:51] <stdin> gribelu: I think I ran into that, I used "kdesudo -- command --command --options"
[22:51] <jpatrick> ah, shell..
[22:51] <stdin> (I think)
[22:51] <gribelu> don't know if what i'm saying helps
[22:52] <gribelu> but running administrator mode from kcontrol should make everything clear
[22:52] <gribelu> on hardy that is
[22:53] <gribelu> or installing a package from gdebi... or running the update manager
[22:58] <gribelu> jpatrick: ignore what i said above about running in shell and '--embed-proxy'.. it has the same behavior with 1.1
[22:58] <gribelu> something else must be at fault
[22:58] <gribelu> if you need me to run some command just shoot
[23:08] <stdin> Riddell: we need uses to run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" before installing the kde4 packages, otherwise they won't get the new kdebase and will get overwrite errors
[23:12] <ltmon> Riddell, stdin: there's an error on line 3 of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the just released packages in case it hasn't been spotted yet
[23:13] <stdin> ltmon: yeah, we spotted that a little while ago
[23:13] <ltmon> ok np :)
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> yay! RC2! thanks!