=== Mez|OnAir is now known as Mez [00:18] stdin: kdegraphics-kde4, kdenetwork-kde4, kdemultimedia-kde4, kdepim-kde4 uploaded [00:18] kdegames-kde4 and kdeedu-kde4 too [00:19] I've already uploaded kdegames-kde4 and kdeedu-kde4, I'll do the others now [00:21] you rock stdin [00:22] yes, I know :p [00:22] heh [00:33] http://www.bramschoenmakers.nl/node/299 [00:33] interesting [00:55] gn8 [00:55] night [01:05] whens the kubuntu tutorial [01:05] ? [01:06] limac: see topic [01:08] when? [01:08] "Thursday 13th" [01:08] as it says in the topic [01:09] for exact times see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [01:09] which is also in the topic [01:15] some ppl are so polite [02:25] can anyon here tell t=me the procedures of howto fixing a bug? [02:25] tell [02:30] huh [02:31] depends on what bug you're on about [02:47] like the patching procedures and all that [02:48] there will be a bug triage talk on the 13th from 16:00 to 16:30 UTC [02:57] thx [03:58] hi everyone, i wanted to know if anyone could join this channel when the tutorials on thursday come [03:59] everyone is welcome to join [04:00] thank you [04:00] well count me in on that day [04:00] ill have my notebook ready to take ideas [04:00] there's some links on the wiki page (in the topic) if you want a head start too [04:03] yeap [04:03] got them hehe === uga|away is now known as uga === _buz is now known as buz [08:13] moin friends :) [08:15] * Hobbsee waves [08:19] * buz wonders if there are any kde4rc2 packages to give feedback on? [08:19] there's 3.97, but it appears that most of them failed to build in gutsy [08:37] grumble. someone broke akregator. [08:38] at least, under gnome [08:39] * Hobbsee purges tracker === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:41] mhh so i would have to install hardy first [08:41] may do that tonight :P === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Developer Meeting Wednesday 12th Dec. at 23:00 UTC | Tutorial Day on Thursday 13th https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay === meduxa is now known as toscalix [10:23] installing kdebase-dev-kde4 on hardy will remove kdm, konqueror kdesktop and other essential kde3 stuff ? why that :( [10:26] ah Hobbsee, could you up the priority of the kdepimlibs build? [10:26] mikkael: because of a transition which I'm currently re-uploading bits to fix [10:27] Riddell: hardy? [10:27] Riddell: looks like some ftbfs for ppa, too [10:27] Hobbsee: yes [10:27] Riddell: thanks for the info [10:27] rescored [10:28] whee [10:30] hello [10:36] * Hobbsee curses compiz [10:43] i gave up on compiz [10:43] having xorg crash 4 times a day is not conducive to working [10:43] try kwin-kde4 [10:47] only 4? [10:47] it's hardy and the intel driver and compiz and yeah...it dosen't all play nice [10:56] <_buz> Riddell: kwin4 refuses to do compositing on my machine [10:56] <_buz> which is weird considering that compiz works perfectly except for the crashes [10:57] <_buz> i had planned on filing a bug report [10:57] <_buz> maybe i should do that now :P [11:04] grr, hal broke kdepimlibs compile! [11:56] Morning all you happy people. [12:01] hola [12:11] Riddell: hmm, doesn't look like thinks went too well last night. kdelibs5-dev doesn't want to install on hardy "kdelibs5-dev: Depends: libopenexr-dev but it is not going to be installed" gutsy builds went ok except kdemultimedia (only i386 built) [12:13] stdin: yeah, seems libopenexr transitioned to a new binary package last night [12:13] I'll look at multimedia in a bit thanks [12:16] oh, and the kdebase from hardy solved the overwrite problems [12:17] phew, something went right :) [12:18] stdin: you can just upload kde4libs again to fix the openexr problem if you want [12:21] kde4libs and kdepimlibs built, just everything that depends on them didn't :p but I'll requeue them === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:24] stdin: yeah but now they need to be rebuilt so they depend on the new libopenexr [12:25] in hardy [12:42] Riddell: quick question, shouldn't kdelibs5-dev be "Architecture: all" rather than "Architecture: any" ? [12:44] stdin: -dev packages tend not to be [12:45] it makes it easier to handle transitions like this libopenexr one for example [12:46] ah, I was just wondering why it downloaded a _i386.deb when I installed === raichoo is now known as xRaich[o]2x === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [13:45] Riddell: kdelibs4-dev is missing a dep: Depends: libopenexr-dev (>= 1.2.2-3) but it is not going to be installed (if you don't know) [13:46] jpatrick: what version of kdelibs4-dev? [13:46] 4:3.5.8-4ubuntu3 should be compiled against the new libopenexr [13:46] Riddell: lastest one I guess, it's wrecked my buildds [13:48] powerpc and sparc builds of tork and ia64 of krita-plugins [13:51] anything which depends on libopenexr2c2a needs to be rebuilt against the new libopenexr [13:52] Good day [13:53] hi [13:53] that includes koffice, with the new kdelibs in I can upload that now [13:53] hi Serega, rebugger === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Two days to merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Developer Meeting Wednesday 12th Dec. at 23:00 UTC | Tutorial Day on Thursday 13th https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [13:55] its no problem to Log the channel on the KubuntuTutorialsDay and publish it on the ubuntuusers.de-board? (board of the german-community) [13:55] or is it? [13:55] or will there be an official log? [13:55] rebugger: we'll do that anyway [13:55] check ;) [13:56] but doing it yourself would provide a fallback [13:56] allright, i'll do that [13:57] Riddell: odd, how it looks for >= 1.2.2-3 but can't find 1.2.2-4.3 [13:57] jpatrick: it's apt being unclear. it can find it but it doesn't want to install it (probably because it would require removing something else) [13:58] ah, ok, so I'll have to wait [14:01] jpatrick: krita-plugins will need to wait on koffice 1.6.3-4ubuntu4 [14:01] tork should just need kdelibs 4:3.5.8-4ubuntu3 [14:01] Riddell: well, I thought I'd pbuild them again, and if they work, I'll ask for a give-back [14:02] jpatrick: make sure to use archive.u.c not xx.a.u.c and to run pbuilder update [14:03] my pbuild's always on archive.* [14:09] hallo [14:09] hallo georg === _czessi is now known as Czessi === apachelogger is now known as apachelogger_ [14:25] rebugger: is ubuntuusers.de advertising tutorials day? [14:25] Riddell: yes, it does it in "Ikhaya" (so is the blog called): http://ubuntuusers.de/ikhaya/838/ [14:26] great [14:27] ubuntuusers is the biggest german ubuntu-community i guess - great wiki, great board, 55000 users, 1million posts :) [14:54] hello.. all my trash:/ remote:/ type paths stopped working after the last updates to hardy .. i think kdelibs4c2a and kdelibs-data were the only important packages updated [14:58] umm.. i think the update removed kdebase, kubuntu-desktop and other stuff === bogdan_ is now known as gribelu [15:01] That seems counter intuitive [15:02] what does? [15:02] updating kubuntu-desktop removes kubuntu-desktop [15:03] i ran apt-get update and dist-upgrade [15:04] this is the log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47831/ [15:05] and this is what happends when i try installing kdebase .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47832/ [15:05] seems like some broke dependencies [15:05] *broken [15:06] ...so, fix it? [15:06] or at least see where the problme actually is [15:07] it'll be libopenexr [15:07] clicking on the second link might make that pretty clear [15:08] anyway.. just reporting === NeZticle_____ is now known as NeZticle [15:10] gribelu: no, that just says that apt could not install a few things - it didn't say why they could not be installed. [15:10] which is the point of interest. [15:12] well since the update was only uploaded a short while ago i thought someone may know something about it.. as i said i only wanted to report this as it kind of breaks kubuntu badly [15:14] gribelu: you'll need to wait for kdebase 3.5.8-2ubuntu4 to compile [15:15] no rush ;) [15:49] Heya [16:07] anyone know if Josef Spillner is on IRC (and what his /nick is?) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [16:11] seele: hi [16:11] hey [16:12] it has been forever, but do you have a few minutes to go over restricted manager? hehe [16:12] now I do :o) [16:12] ok great [16:13] Riddell: Are you doing archive admin stuff? [16:13] seele: he's not in irc much, I can't even remember his nick [16:13] ScottK: a bit [16:13] Riddell: ok, thanks [16:14] Riddell: If you have time, I was wondering if you could have a look after Bug 175366 and Bug 156500 [16:18] ok [16:19] Thanks. LP is being slow so the bot timed out. [16:19] hola [16:19] salut [16:19] 1 more project to do and this semester is over with! [16:20] then it is back to KoooooooooBoooooooonToooooooooo [16:21] nixternal: yay [16:29] nixternal: don't remind me of it :o) [16:29] semester over = examination time [16:30] even less time for the Koo. [16:33] I have 2 exams next week, but I am not even sweating those [16:33] C++ and Javascript, 2 easy aces === \sh is now known as \sh_away [16:37] nixternal: right. [16:38] nixternal: I've got math analysis, linear algebra and discrete mathematics this year as (oral) exams. [16:39] ouch [16:40] nixternal: at our faculty, no matter what you study (math, physics, CS) you end up with those ( in the first year) [16:41] I hate oral exams [16:41] Linux to the rescue...our professor is so dumb, she can't get Tomcat running...set her up a quick account on my server and put her to work :p [16:44] hello nixternal [16:45] wasabi jpatrick [17:04] hello, is there a workaround for adept "upgrade to new distro" failure where it says there is no new packages? === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === Scorcere1 is now known as Scorcerer === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [17:18] Riddell: Thanks. Any chance you'd be willing to NEW the dapper package for dkim-milter? [17:21] ScottK: I don't see it in dapper-backports New [17:22] Riddell: Odd. It wasn't in Dapper before. [17:22] I'd guess it has to hit a publisher run first or something. [17:24] man, updates today want to remove everything [17:25] huh? was there a major update released recently? [17:25] kdegraphics packages, oo.o (which I could care less if it removes it) [17:25] if you are running Hardy, then yes [17:25] no [17:25] gutsy [17:25] bye [17:27] it's libopenexr [17:27] let me know what's still a problem [17:27] anyone use xrandr with kubuntu in here? didn't their used to be a krandr applet or something? [17:27] Riddell: me? [17:29] nixternal: anyone :) [17:30] remove: digikam, kdebase-kio-plugins, kdegraphics-kfile-plugins, kmail, kmailcvt, kmplayer-konq-plugins, knights, koffice, konq-plugins, konqueror, konqueror-nsplugins, kontact, krita, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts, libopenexr2ldbl, oo.o, oo.o-base, showfoto, strigi-applet [17:31] kubuntu-desktop possibly the problem there? it wants to remove that, so then the rest are from the trickle down effect from the meta package? :) [17:32] heading home, see ya in a bit [17:32] nixternal: Shouldn't be. Everything in the metapackage should be a recommends, not a depends. [17:32] not everything [17:32] but as I've said, the problem is libopenexr === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk === _buz is now known as buz [18:40] Riddell: could you possibly review and upload bug 175336 later? [18:40] Launchpad bug 175336 in qtparted "Candidate for version 0.4.5-2ubuntu13" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175336 === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [19:09] hmm so how about this acting gracefully when disk is full thing :P [19:11] * buz burns hardy [19:23] 7.10 is the current ubuntu, is there a roadmap toward the next release anywhere? [19:33] Is it possible to only build the konsole package for the kdebase source package? [19:54] its so sad to see all those kde 3.97 packages but i cant install them without removing kdebase-bin-kde3 .. do i just have to wait ? [19:54] i got both installed fine [19:55] what line are u using to install [19:55] sudo aptitude install kdebase-dev-kde4 [19:55] on hardy [19:56] unless u plan to develop KDE 4 u can just get kdebase-kde4 [19:56] and kdebase-workspace along with kdebase-runtime [19:56] innovati: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy [19:56] yuriy: thanks [19:56] kde4-core from universe should be able to pull needed things in for u as well [19:57] innovati: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule [19:57] i got problems with dependencies [19:57] yuriy: <3 [19:58] mikkael, pastebin.ca the output [19:58] here, sorry it's german http://de.pastebin.ca/812451 [19:59] # [19:59] Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT: [19:59] # [19:59] kdebase-bin-kde3 [19:59] that means removed right? [19:59] yeah [20:00] whats that libopenexr stuff ? [20:00] i upgraded today from gutsy to hardy, maybe there lies my problem [20:01] earlier Riddell said libopenexr is currently broken. [20:02] is kdebase-bin-kde3 even needed? [20:02] i don't have it installed [20:07] im lost in dependency hell [20:08] damn libopenexr, dist-upgrade is b0rked for me as well, though am sure Riddel knows about it [20:12] * nixternal does the Java is working with a cheap hack/work around dance! [20:12] CheGuevara: yes, already knows :) [20:12] we shall wait then :P [20:12] i think ill try removing libopenexr2c2a, this will remove kubuntu-desktop and kdegraphics-kfile-plugins [20:13] I was getting close to installing a workable distro for a second, but thank goodness for someone in the forums [20:13] mikkael, just leave it until its fixed [20:13] dont know how important the kdegraphics-kfile-plugins package is [20:14] nixternal: which distro? - hardy? [20:16] said distro, not release :p [20:16] ah. === uga|away is now known as uga [20:16] oh well, i've got mandriva and opensuse in virtualbox. [20:17] I have Fedora 8, Debian, Foresight, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu headless running KDE 4 on my desktop [20:17] but i've got too much apt/dpkg in my blood to enjoy using them. [20:17] but I need stability for my laptop and it hasn't been there since the dist-upgrade to Hardy [20:17] usually during a development cycle I have no problems [20:17] but thus far in Hardy, it has been far worse than anything in the past [20:18] fdoving: I am the same, it is so hard to like anything other than apt/dpkg [20:18] yep. [20:18] although I must say, the Fedora crew rocked out KDE with Fedora 8...super fast and stable [20:18] i've come to the conclusion, that for me, debian is the only alternative to *buntu. [20:19] no doubt [20:19] untill the kids grow up and i stop working, get some free time to learn something new. [20:19] ya, with Fedora, all I can do is use it, nothing more than that [20:21] wth is up with nspluginviewer constantly crashing [20:29] nixternal: you have a new flash version. it sux. [20:29] nixternal: that is, konqueror doesn't support XEmbed or something like that. which the new flash requires. [20:30] downgrade to the gutsy flashplugin and it all works. [20:31] you probably need to copy /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz from a gutsy machine. [20:31] or ask me to get it. [20:31] as adobe replaced it with a new one on their servers. [20:32] so everyone installing flashplugin-nonfree in gutsy will get a constantly crashing flash... or no flash, as the package probably finds it doesn't match the md5sums it should. [20:32] bad adobe. [20:36] fdoving: you rock :) [20:36] i was lucky. tried to upgrade to the new flash the other day. [20:36] I was just updating, not paying attention...today was the first day I went through and paid attention :) === meduxa is now known as toscalix [21:01] hmm hardy still has no drivers for my soundcard :P [21:02] buz: report a bug? [21:02] Riddell: that was pretty much useless in case of feisty [21:02] and there were lots of reports [21:03] eventually someone came up with a half working package [21:03] there's a larger linux team now [21:03] buz: Whining on IRC is even less likely to be successful. [21:03] and it's got to be better than complaining here where we have about zero linux developers :) [21:03] i'm not really whining, more astonished :P [21:03] ;-) [21:04] (i can trivially fix it by compiling alsa) [21:04] buz: If you can supply a patch with your bug, your odds of satisfaction go WAY up. [21:04] buz, is it ALCxxx forgot the numbers [21:04] no its STAC920X [21:04] ScottK: patch is called "update alsa to 1.0.15" [21:05] it is updated to 1.0.15 in hardy [21:05] mhh [21:05] then why am i not seeing /dev/dsp [21:05] cheguevara@cheguevara-laptop:~/Desktop$ alsactl --version [21:05] alsactl version 1.0.15 [21:06] http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php RC 2 out (mostly) [21:06] lol [21:06] i was just typing the question about that one :P [21:07] ah well hardy is gonna come in handy for testing no matter what [21:08] * jpatrick damns the fact that we've packaged just about ever good kapp out there [21:09] ah ur not telling ppl to install -dev packages [21:09] good :P [21:09] I have, or at least I believe I have, completed most of the requirements to become an Ubuntu member. Which meeting must I attend to complete the process? [21:10] Is it this Thursday? [21:10] ardchoille: it's... today! [21:10] does anyone know the conversion factor of the UTC time zone and the eastern timezone? [21:10] ardchoille: Ubuntu member or Kubuntu member? [21:10] limac: US? [21:10] limac, google might [21:10] :P [21:10] ScottK= yes [21:10] limac: -0500 right now [21:11] ScottK: I wasn't aware there were two. I use kubuntu, so probably kubuntu member. Where do I need to be? [21:11] good idea [21:11] :D [21:12] ardchoille: great, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [21:12] Wednesday 12th Demember at 23:00 UTC [21:12] CheGuevara and ScottK: Got it it's 5 hours! :) [21:12] are the hardy kde4rc2 packages up? for rc1 it took ages [21:12] Riddell: Thank you [21:12] gribelu: see above^^ [21:13] The other option is to get Ubuntu member and then whine to Hobbsee until she marks you down as a Kubuntu member too. [21:13] ScottK: Ok, Ubuntu member is where I'd like to be. [21:13] i did see but the kubuntu announcement only mentions gutsy [21:14] if u use hardy you should've gotten rc 2 some days ago [21:14] gribelu: those are the backports of the hardy [21:14] ardchoille: Then you need to add yourself to the community council meeting agenda, IIRC. [21:14] ah cool.. i was just asking because last time the packages were out for gutsy first and hardy last (way later( [21:15] ok i am confused now [21:15] Riddell, do hardy users need to do apt-get remove kdelibs5 [21:16] ScottK: Already done I believe. [21:17] OK. [21:20] ScottK: meh, he should be a kubuntu member [21:20] CheGuevara: I expect there's overlapping files [21:20] whats the thing with "kdebase-bin-kde3" [21:21] Riddell: But if you go the get Ubuntu member and whine to hobbsee approach, then there's the added thrill of danger involved. [21:21] * buz hopes he got the update right [21:22] Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/812541 does that look right === rdieter_afk is now known as rdieter [21:22] CheGuevara: looks like what it did to me [21:22] we'll see shortly if it was right [21:23] wait a few seconds if you want to know what happens :P [21:23] lol kk [21:23] so umm .. about kde4rc2 on hardy.. installing kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime doesn't work (dependencies missing) but installing kdelibs5 works. Is that normal? [21:24] kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime are installed fine here [21:25] which deps are missing? [21:25] i'll paste, one sec [21:25] after login in kdm i get a black screen then get bumped back to kdm [21:25] buz: workies? :P [21:25] oh [21:25] whats .xsession-errors saying? [21:26] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47875/ [21:26] looks to me like x is crashing really [21:27] gribelu, thats on hardy? [21:27] yup [21:27] i even have the ppa repo with hardy [21:27] yup x crashes [21:28] that could be the problem [21:28] u only need the hardy repos not ppa [21:28] one sec [21:28] same thing [21:29] u did apt-get update after u removed the ppas? [21:29] this is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47879/ [21:29] and yes, i did [21:29] startkde does something weird [21:30] http://pastebin.ca/812552 [21:30] buz, post ur startkde [21:31] on pastebin [21:31] lemme try again [21:31] i will reinstall kde4rc2 first [21:31] the startkde has a typo [21:31] that removes the current path env [21:31] which is why it's not finding those programs [21:33] export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:ATH THATS the typo yes [21:33] but easily fixed [21:33] yeah :P [21:33] I should have fixed that [21:33] gutsy or hardy? [21:34] CheGuevara: i pasted my repos up there somewhere.. forgot to 'call' your name [21:34] yeah now it works [21:34] gutsy [21:34] yeah was just looking at them, everything looks fine [21:34] Riddell: both I'd guess "echo export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH >> debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde" in debian/rules [21:35] if u did apt-get update then my only guess would be that the hardy repo packages accidentally depend on ppa packages [21:35] though i am sure that's not the case [21:35] CheGuevara: this is the error after removing the ppa http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47880/ [21:36] different package names, but same packages [21:36] i mean versions not names [21:36] yeah that looks more right :P === kde4 is now known as buz_kde4 [21:36] and the repos are exactly the ones above [21:37] ah.. this looks right you say? :))) [21:37] as in the ppa postfix is gone :P [21:39] CheGuevara: so should i wait for the packages to make their way into the repos or is there something wrong with my setup (i doubt it?) [21:39] gribelu, did u have kde rc1 installed? [21:39] kdebase-runtime 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu3 been in archives since dec 08 [21:39] so I don't see how its a repo problem [21:41] CheGuevara: no [21:41] as in i didn't have rc1 [21:41] mhh now i get white frames when i try to activate opengl compositing :P [21:41] i had to disable compositing in Xorg to get kde 4 to start [21:42] well in rc1 it simply told me i had no compositing [21:42] right let me delete kdelibs5 on my system [21:42] never mind that compiz works [21:42] i guess i'll just skip rc2 as well.. no reason to waste your time [21:42] yeah same here [21:42] Riddell: I believe it didn't work because CAPS vars have to have () in the rules file [21:42] yeah i guess that works [21:44] CheGuevara: what graphics card do you have [21:44] intel [21:44] which one [21:45] i have the 965 AKA GMA X3100 [21:45] 945 GM [21:46] i bet the kde 4 compositing gets less testing on intel then ati/nvidia [21:47] which is slightly absurd but never mind : [21:47] P [21:47] CheGuevara: I just now caught your name...I took some flack for wearing an 'El Che' t-shirt from the student union on campus [21:48] heh [21:48] I think I have worn that shirt out by now [21:48] i got some yesterday on this chan :P [21:48] after they gave me flack, I wore it for a week straight [21:48] weird student union [21:48] lol [21:48] usually they are as leftist as one could possibly be [21:48] ya, I got on them for atempting to supress my freedom of speach and expression :) [21:49] lol lol [21:49] one of these days, I will finally spell speech correctly [21:49] right let me reboot and see what this did to my system [21:49] I just finished a paper on DRM, and every time I used the word, it was spelled wrong [21:50] in what area? [21:50] hmmp freedom of speech. try wearing a Mets tshirt up here in the NE in 1986 :) [21:50] a little problem with the latest updates (after the previous update uninstalled kubuntu-desktop: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't work because it depends on kdegraphics-kfile-plugins and that depends on libopenexr2c2a (>= 1.2.2) which can't be installed [21:50] might as well been wearing a Che t shirt lol [21:51] claydoh: hahahaha [21:51] I wear a cubs shirt, so I usually get the sympathy effect [21:51]