=== Mez|OnAir is now known as Mez [00:00] jembouge: thank yo [00:00] u [00:02] :) [00:03] hello [00:04] !quit [00:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about quit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [00:04] Hello everyone. Today I upgraded two different computers from kubuntu feisty to kubuntu gutsy and they both resulted in problems, so I'm quite sad on kubuntu right now. The computer I'm trying to fix now had its wifi stop working after the upgrade. before the upgrade, I did a few hacks to make it work in the first place (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47765/ ). Now, iwpriv complains the "set" command is not recognized and it doesn't connect [00:04] correctly. Trying "iwpriv ra0" reveals the interface now supports the "param" command, but when I tried to make the substitutions, it changes errors and say the operation is not permitted. I tried iwconfig and was also unsuccessful. Any ideas on how can I make this network connect? [00:06] free speach is about to end...........Senate Bill 1959 to Criminalize Thoughts, Blogs, Books and Free Speech Across America [00:06] http://www.newstarget.com/022308.html [00:06] anybody know any channels for movies or books? i know this is a bad room to ask this in but im desperate [00:08] lovedeatm: if you are talking about "download channels" then no, and it's not a good idea to ask, otherwise as in #ubuntu-offtopic [00:08] thanks [00:11] please, you have any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? [00:12] whats th eproblem? [00:14] maduser, when upgrading from feisty to gustsy, wireless stopped working. previous configuration: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47765/ [00:17] smithw: maybe this helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=342528 [00:17] hi === makuserusukotto is now known as makuseru [00:18] I am having trouble with my printer [00:18] where is the KDM folder located? [00:18] I got it setup and it printed a test page fine but now nothing is printing [00:18] when i am trying to install anything from adept, it is saying couldn't install the requested package the internet connection is enabled? [00:18] georgeb, thanks, I'll give it a try. [00:19] Have you guys ever seen Dolphin and Amarok have issues with going out onto the net but your other programs have NO problem? [00:19] Like, Amarok won't play streams and Dolphin says it cant connect to google [00:19] but it actually installs [00:21] marx2k: you might have a proxy setup for KDE; go in System Settings -> Network Settings -> Proxy and check if everything is ok [00:22] Nope... "Connect to the internet directly" [00:23] marx2k: and in connection preferences (under proxy) ? [00:23] marx2k: I have socket read: 15 sec; proxy connect: 10 sec; server connect: 20 sec; server response: 600 sec [00:24] same here [00:24] Dolphin says 'www.google.com' is an invalid location [00:24] maybe Dolphin just doesnt do http:// [00:24] but Amarok is being weird [00:24] marx2k, d3lphin, is a file manager [00:25] yeah but for some reason I thought it did http:// protocol like (insert default file manager before Dolphin in previous release of Kubuntu) did [00:25] konqueror [00:25] Konquerior [00:25] yes [00:26] Ok, so moving onto Amarok, then... [00:26] marx2k, which streams won't Amarok play? [00:26] even when I select the shoutcast streams in its' default Streaming Media list, it says 'Could not connect to host http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/newxml.phtml" [00:26] it will not play shoutcast streams [00:27] furthermore, if I am playing an mp3, and click on the 'artist' tab, it tells me "Artist information could not be retrieved because the server was not reachable." [00:28] so Amarok alone is having net connectivity issues but I am not sure why that would be [00:28] marx2k, try to locate the .pls file. Amarok doesn't have the raw XML file, apparently. Use XMMS if you must use that URI. As for the Artist thing, no idea. Works fine on my end [00:29] Where is default config for amarok stored? [00:30] marx2k, ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc [00:30] and I meant Amarok doesn't _like_ the raw XML file, apparently. [00:30] Hm... [00:30] I used to be able to just throw it in there [00:30] let me try removing Amarok config and see if that works [00:31] I doubt that would help but I suppose it is worth a shot.. [00:32] nope..didnt work [00:32] though the lyrics download works just fine [00:33] xcell [00:33] > xcell [00:33] Hmmm.... [00:34] when I try to install new scripts into Amarok, it also tells me: Could not connect to host http://amarok.kde.org/knewstuff/amarokscripts-providers.xml. [00:34] though firefox pulls that XML fine [00:35] sup all. how do i permanently enable DMA on my cd/dvd drive? [00:36] marx2k: what happens if you open that address in a browser ? [00:40] george: I see the XML [00:43] I had a simmilar problem with konqueror some time ago, but I think it was caused by the fact that I had proxy set up, then I disabled it, and konqueror was still using it === sofia is now known as Eucaris [00:43] I solved it (I think) by exiting konqueror and killing every process that was shown at ps -ef | grep konqueror [00:43] Buenas [00:44] Hello [00:44] > xcell [00:45] O.o [00:45] Aki como q nadie escribe ? =S [00:45] !es [00:45] Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. [00:47] hi [00:48] how can i run X configuration again? (my xorg.conf is a mess) === litbang is now known as riefzu [00:49] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [00:49] bazhang: thanx [00:49] no worries :} [00:49] I need help really badly [00:50] what's the problem? [00:50] my computer screen size is set at 640x480 and i can't change it [00:50] not even in admin mode [00:51] !resolution | maduser [00:51] maduser: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto [00:51] How do i setup MIDI? [00:52] > xcell [00:53] are you really still here.. [00:53] Hello [00:54] How are you today? [00:54] vallanc a la shit [00:54] Jajajajajajaaj [00:54] (Y) [00:54] http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/t-83868-Setting-up-MIDI-playback-in-Ubuntu.html Flare183 [00:54] Más fino [00:55] hi [00:55] sofia: this is a support channel and please watch your language [00:55] gn8 === neo_ is now known as ||[Neo]|| [00:55] <||[Neo]||> holas :P [00:55] I had KDE working, until I changed back from proprietary ATI drivers to the open one. I left it in a high resolution (1400x1050), and now X won't boot. What can I do to fix this? [00:56] does anyone get a ping reply from soap.amazon.com by any chance? [00:56] i was told the open driver would handle this resolution [00:57] anyone? [00:57] i can't [00:57] damnit [00:59] thanks [01:00] that was scarry [01:01] xcell [01:01] Rafabe: you probably need to add modelines for the free driver to handle it [01:01] !modelines [01:01] Sorry, I don't know anything about modelines - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:01] !modeline [01:01] A Modeline is a config line in the X server configuration file that gives info about a connected display and how to drive it at a specified display resolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline for more details. Here are 2 links to generate modelines which fit your monitor: http://bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/ and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl [01:03] where is the X server configuration file located? [01:08] its in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf === lovedeatm is now known as lovedeatm_ [01:11] err [01:11] no cap [01:11] /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:14] "<<>>>>" <----explain this i have a vendetta [01:14] plz [01:14] lovedeatm_: ?! [01:14] lovedeatm_: take it to #ubuntu-ops please [01:14] thanks [01:14] !desktops [01:14] A desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM and others - See also !Flavors [01:14] thanks hydro === neo_ is now known as ||[Neo]|| [01:15] it all better now? [01:15] how can I edit a conf file from the console, though? I can only login at the ALT+CTRL+F1 menu [01:15] login [01:15] nope, about to do it now [01:15] then sudo -i [01:15] yeah I can do that, but which program? [01:15] to get a root shell [01:15] ah [01:15] then nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:16] Everything beyod Xfce are just WMs [01:16] Not DEs [01:16] There's a difference between a Window Manager and a Desktop Environment [01:16] where does wine install do? I can't find it [01:16] whts the hot key to switch desktops? [01:19] hydro, the /etc/x11/xorg.conf file appears empty [01:19] whts the hot key to switch desktops? [01:19] Rafabe: its capital X [01:19] I have just installed compiz in kubuntu 7.10. The screen became a little unstable (shacking). Is there a way to avoid it? [01:19] ah, case-sensitive...thanks [01:19] !compiz [01:19] Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion [01:20] thanks, I see it now [01:20] np [01:21] whts the hot key to switch desktops? [01:22] Cannoli: Ctrl+F?: F1 for desktop 1, F2 for desktop 2 etc [01:22] oh awesome [01:23] huhu [01:23] bin voll der noob und das kde kackt immer ab is das normal bei ner emu? [01:23] control centre ? [01:23] The modeline for 1400x1050 is already in the xorg.conf file...so are pretty much every resolution I would want to use. [01:24] So this is not the reason for my failure to launch X/KDE [01:24] !de | cliff [01:24] cliff: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de [01:24] !nvidia [01:24] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [01:26] should I be looking to modify the refresh rates, dot clock frequence, etc? === lovedeatm_ is now known as lovedeatm === lovedeatm is now known as lovedeatm_ [01:31] anyone around to offer quick help?\ === lovedeatm_ is now known as lovedeatm [01:34] Bandit-Kubunta, we're here.What is your question? [01:35] im tring to install unreal ircd and im getting an error they told me to get buildtools but i cant figure out how to do that.. my error in short is compiling TRE regex library ./configure:line 12689 make: command not found [01:36] Bandit-Kubunta: install the package "build-essential" [01:38] vit____: ummm? [01:38] okay [01:40] Tm_T: vit{,_,__,___} seems to do that a lot, never speaks either [01:40] ahah [01:41] hi all [01:41] vit____: hi [01:43] guys, since installing gutsy I can't seem to be able to use "vga=795" in grub (which worked great in feisty); the system gets up and works OK, but when I switch back to tty1, I gat a black screen with a *BIG* flashing `_'. [01:43] strange thing, but when I type-in my username and passwor, though I cannot see anything, I get logged in (sudo halt works) [01:43] any ideas? [01:44] rysiek|pl: Known bug, there are some fixes but they don't work for everyone. [01:47] darn [01:47] ardchoille: thanks. it's on launchpad already, isn't it? [01:48] rysiek|pl: yes, but keep in mind, the fixes may not work at all for you.. none of them worked for any of my 11 computers [01:49] ardchoille: no worries, I won't come back crying, I am able to fix my system myself if I b0rk something ;) [01:49] rysiek|pl: lol, the trick is to not b0rk it :) [01:49] haha [01:49] ardchoille: just wanted to know if the bug is on launchpad already, so that I could see what's going on [01:49] rysiek|pl: yeah, search for "bad tty" or "blank tty" [01:50] ardchoille: ok, thanks [01:50] rysiek|pl: fwiw, tty 1-6 are active, they just don't print anyting [01:51] ardchoille: yeah, that's just what I said in the first place ;) [01:51] rysiek|pl: Ah, right [01:51] I believe the "vga" boot option is dependent on the kernel using the vesafb driver [01:52] any news if/when are they going to open-source launchpad? [01:52] It may not function if the kernel has autoprobed the card and is using a specific driver [01:52] I have this exact issue with Piyoko [01:52] If the kernel detects the card and tries to use tridentfb, I get completely unusable video [01:53] I fixed this by compiling in nothing but vesafb, but I believe there's a way to force the driver for prebuilt kernels with multiple modules [01:53] Minataku: I *think* there is a way by using kopts [01:53] Minataku: Yes, iirc, it was a problem with the video driver and kernel [01:53] Well, that was dumb to say [01:53] * ardchoille slaps himself [01:53] lol [01:54] * rysiek|pl splashes ardchoille with some whater [01:54] wake up [01:54] that must have been a pretty hard slap [01:54] Well, I had nvidia drivers working in Feisty and vga=791 working in menu.lst, it junst doesn't work in gutsy [01:55] Yeah, I just use vesafb because tridentfb fails on my machine [01:55] ardchoille: samey-samey here [01:56] VESA is the first fallback, if the specific driver fails, the VESA driver will usually work, provided the card supports VESA, which pretty much all PC video adapters do [01:57] VESA is still quite capable, however, in the event that it fails as well, the last fallback is VGA [01:57] Which has capabilities reaching just far enough to provide one with video and nothing more [01:58] If THAT fails, there's always the serial port... maybe. [01:58] Minataku: ssh [01:58] saved me a number of times [01:59] Installed kde 7.10 and its telling me I have a dist upgrade to 7.10? [01:59] *everything* goes down, X crashes and burns, sound goes with "teh siren" - but ssh *just works* [01:59] Heh [01:59] mikess: yeah, known bug [01:59] You know, I wonder where blinking the LEDs on a panic came about [01:59] mikess: run a normal update, that bug was fixed a while ago [01:59] Because I've seen it in a very old version of AIX [01:59] mikess: just do a normal upgrade (NOT dist-upgrade to 7.10) [01:59] stdin: cheers [02:00] darn, too slow [02:00] How can I get my mic to work on kubuntu? [02:00] 0xDECAFBAD [02:00] lol [02:01] There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. [02:01] hell [02:02] <_rysiek|pl_> d'oh. wth [02:02] mikess: open konsole and put in "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", if you get any errors post them to pastebin [02:02] !pastebin [02:02] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic) [02:02] Anyone help me get my mic working? === _rysiek|pl_ is now known as rysiek|pl [02:03] Don_jr333: what mic, what machine (laptop? desktop?), what *buntu flavour, what *buntu version? [02:03] yes on my laptop. ubuntu server with KDE installed, 7.10 [02:04] meh [02:04] hello [02:05] can anyone tell me how to install an xvid decoder? [02:05] or the codec [02:05] stdin: loading now,,adept appears to be flakey ;0 [02:05] lingard: to watch avi files? [02:05] Don_jr333: I will be going nighty-night in a few mins, so I can't help you. but maybe try searching google for "YOUR_LAPTOP_MANUFACTURER YOUR_LAPTOP_MODEL mic ubuntu gutsy" [02:06] lingard: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras [02:06] its for a tv tuner [02:06] ah [02:06] may try that rysiek but have a few times already. I can't even find the mic in the settings lol [02:06] is there something i have to do to allow folks to send me a file with kopete [02:07] stdin: going to install synaptic and also use # terminl :) [02:07] Don_jr333: you probably need a driver for it [02:07] alrighty [02:08] * rysiek|pl is positive it's time to get some sleep [02:08] cu all sometime [02:13] yea, people make fun of mefor using kubuntu [02:13] i say "but why coach" [02:15] how do i check which version of kubuntu i have? [02:15] lsb_release -c [02:15] cheers [02:16] how long have you been using this? [02:16] irc? [02:16] kubuntu [02:17] since dapper [02:17] lol [02:17] how long ago was that? [02:17] june 2006 [02:17] oh, ok [02:18] windows before that? [02:18] dapper = 6.06 windows = 666 [02:18] lol [02:18] lol [02:18] nice === paarth is now known as Alberio [02:19] i've never used kubuntu before [02:19] and i can't seem to get the hang of it [02:19] ive got a question, how do I find the UUID of a new drive so I can adjust /etc/fstab correctly? [02:19] lingard: what is your specific question? [02:20] oh, its ok [02:20] its sorted now [02:20] kind of [02:20] cool [02:20] oh [02:21] rance: "sudo vol_id -u /dev/whatever" or "sudo blkid -c /dev/null" [02:21] tyvm [02:21] and my remote works :) === brad__ is now known as brhad56 [02:26] * genii sips a coffee [02:26] is it posible to get a remote working with kaffeine [02:26] the number pad works and the volume [02:27] but the ch + and - don't [02:27] lingard: you should check geexbox [02:27] whats that? [02:27] off topic [02:27] ? [02:27] xcell [02:27] distrowatch.com [02:28] ya [02:28] were ya sleepin ?? [02:28] ya [02:28] whenever my kubuntu gutsy goes into powersave mode the tops of all the windows are black and wont move and everything is frozen until i ++ [02:30] go to #kubuntu-offtopic [02:30] !dvd [02:30] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [02:30] well, i tried a few more things. i got terminal to read and accept modem, but when i " sudo wvdial" it wont cause it needs username px # pw..ect..., i put that info in, and saved it, but to no avail............ [02:30] also i think i deleted my quick lanuch bar and is there a way to get it back [02:31] @nonewmsgs: right click on taskbar, then add applet to panel [02:32] find quicklaunch bar in there [02:33] Question: I have an external Fat32 formatted HDD, it mounts but with the user as root and I don't have permissions to write anything to it. how can I get write-access? [02:33] !ntfs [02:33] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE [02:33] read that :) [02:33] and [02:33] !fstab [02:33] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [02:34] I tried that article on tuxfiles [02:34] does kontact support access to google calendar [02:35] ah, I knew I had the options set wrong [02:36] jsubl2: as in syncing? yes [02:36] alberio thanks that worked great! i kept trying to add a panel and couldnt figure out what i was doing wrong [02:36] bazhang: is it a direct read and write like with thunderbird [02:36] bazhang: o you have to use the sync plugin [02:37] jsubl2: not sure [02:37] k.. yeah i might just use thunderbird [02:37] !opera [02:37] opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser. Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser [02:37] opera is also a great mail client [02:38] i am already fond of thunderbird [02:38] just trying to use as many kde apps as possible. [02:39] synaptic should be default [02:39] thunderbird is gtk last time i checked [02:39] opera is qt.. [02:39] jsubl2: sudo apt-get install kde [02:39] already installed kubuntu [02:39] any ideas about the black window thing? it' like some reason the window manager isn't coming out of powersave mode [02:40] I read something about Mozilla starting a for-profit client based off thunderbird. Which worries me that we won't see any new development done for Thunderbird. [02:40] yeah worries me too [02:40] thunderbird is really nice imho [02:41] how do i install something from a CD? [02:41] lingard: what do you mean? [02:41] i downloaded that geexbox as an iso [02:41] and stuck it on a CD [02:41] how do i install it? [02:42] live cd [02:42] ? [02:42] lingard: iirc, geexbox is made to be a livecd [02:42] "GeeXboX is a free embedded Linux distribution which aims at turning your computer into a so called HTPC (Home Theater PC) or Media Center. Being a standalone LiveCD-based distribution, it's a ready to boot operating system than works on any Pentium-class x86 computer or PowerPC Macintosh, implying no software requirement. You can even use it on a diskless computer, the whole system being loaded in RAM. " [02:42] and read the faq [02:42] do i have to restart then? [02:42] so looks like I can enable imap on my gmail account and then use that to sync.. Maybe.. still reading [02:42] lingard: yes [02:42] lingard: just restart and when you're booting up, boot into the cd [02:42] lingard: Yes, you need to burn geexbox as an image to a cd, then restart the computer to boot off the cd [02:43] is that the same with all installs? [02:43] not an install. just a livecd [02:43] Assuming you burned the image, and not just the iso as a data file :) [02:43] i'm not that stupid :) [02:44] i've been on windows for 12 years :) [02:44] can someone tell me why this is a bad fstab line? [02:44] /dev/sdb1 /media/My\ Book vfat user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0 [02:45] mount does mount /media/My\ Book return?? [02:45] line 17 in /etc/fstab is bad [02:46] is what it keeps telling me [02:46] maybe its the space in the location [02:46] I CAN do mount /dev/sdb1 /media/My\ Book -t vfat [02:46] but then I don't have write priveledges [02:46] try /dev/sdb1 /media/My\ Book vfat user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0 [02:46] you left out a param ( well no space) [02:46] hm [02:46] I thought I put a space there [02:47] I'll try that [02:47] nope, not working [02:48] still telling me it's a bad line [02:48] try it with a dif mountpoint that has no space [02:48] hey can someone help me ubuntu ops seem to think i have some sort of dcc router exploit... [02:51] flaccid: that works, but it is a little annoying. I also tried using quotes as "/media/My Book", that had worked with apache, but not here [02:52] thanks [02:52] i've never used spaces in fstab or at leats for mountpoints. maybe an expert will know if its possible or not in fstab [02:53] "My Book" <-- its not windows [02:53] nope [02:53] a hard disk is not a book [02:53] eh? [02:53] oh, it's the label [02:53] the default name of it [02:53] and what it automounted as when I plugged it in [02:53] you don't call a volume "My Book" [02:53] so I figured I'd try and use it [02:56] on my new laptop, with SATA hard disk, whenever the disk is in heavy use the computer will hardly do anything else. the disk access is fast (it will do one thing quickly), but doing two things is VERY slow. anybody else have this problem? [02:56] i should say, the second thing is very slow. the first thing chugs away [02:57] this was never the case with my old laptop, on any previous versions of kubuntu. which makes me think its either a change in the kernel config for the worse, or a problem with the driver, or... [02:59] is dma enabled? [03:00] hydrogen: hdparm reports: DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 [03:00] that means dma is enabled, right [03:01] !network file sharing [03:02] !sharing [03:02] !nfs [03:02] Sorry, I don't know anything about sharing - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:02] nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS. [03:02] !share [03:02] Sorry, I don't know anything about share - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:03] dumb bot :p [03:03] !kaffiene [03:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about kaffiene - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:03] !samba | Cannoli [03:03] Cannoli: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT [03:03] !women [03:03] The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively. [03:04] * hydrogen creates #ubuntu-men [03:04] * brhad56 wonders how many of you all just joined ubuntu-women [03:05] ... [03:05] im desperate [03:05] XD [03:06] tee-hee [03:06] for women, filesharing, or both [03:06] or perhaps women sharing [03:07] naturally [03:07] What codecs do I download ,for mp3 mpeg etc? [03:07] !multimedia [03:07] Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications [03:07] kubuntu-restricted-extras [03:08] it depends [03:08] for what app? [03:08] bazhang: cheers guys [03:08] no worries :} [03:10] 469 packages for "emerge kde-meta"... wow [03:10] wrong channel :) [03:17] hi all [03:18] hi sky [03:18] hi ardchoille [03:18] i'm new to kubuntu [03:18] running into problems already [03:19] was wondering if someone could give me some tips. [03:19] after installing 7.10, i see that adept manager found some upgradable components, so I went ahead and try to upgrade them [03:19] sky: We'll need to know what you need heolp with [03:19] after it successfully downloads all the selected components, it starts installing them, but there were some errors [03:20] and then there was a pop up from adept mgr saying that there was an error installing or downloading the updates, the only button to click was "OK" [03:21] so I wanted to give it another try, because it obviously did not finish installing every update. [03:21] but then when I go through the same "fetch updates" it found 0 upgradable. [03:21] now I'm worried that the DB indicates everything is updated when in fact that's not the case. [03:22] but i'm sure the designers are not so stupid to mark the DB to indicate the upgrade was successful before the actual update. So I was wondering, how do I find out what the error was and how do I continue to upgrade? [03:23] (in fact the same happened when i tried to upgrade another machine from 7.0? to 7.1... so I don't know what packages are successfully upgraded and which are not) [03:24] safer from #terminal [03:24] sky: I would open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [03:25] ok let me try that [03:25] is it a known problem? [03:25] sky: I like command line, it's faster and more helpful than a gui [03:25] ardchoille: same :) [03:25] ardchoille: I rate Sidux :) [03:26] However Kubuntu has many fixes now in 7.10,,good to see [03:27] still getting a mad resolution on start up/sh/down [03:27] same thing: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [03:28] anyway i gotta go. back later. thanks for the help [03:28] well, i had an answer ready for him. [03:28] :-/ [03:29] Patience is a virtue === shane_ is now known as ShaneN [03:47] !compiz [03:47] Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion [03:55] How can I run something on my desktop as root? [03:55] use kdesu [03:57] * genii hands stdin a coffee [03:57] genii must have an industrial coffee maker at home [03:58] stdin okay, I made a link to a file onto mydesktop and I need to edit the link's properties as root, how do I use kdesu to do that? [03:58] I would have coffee, but I really should sleep sometime this weel [03:58] ardchoille: How'd ya know? [03:58] lol [03:58] s/weel/week/ < evidence of sleep deprivation [03:58] hehe [03:58] stdin: OK, imagine it's a hot cocoa then :) [03:58] Anyone tried Limewire on Kubuntu? [03:58] frostwire [03:59] does anyone here use evms or gnucash (with or without quickbooks)? [03:59] don_: why do you need to edit the link properties as root? [03:59] How'd that work out? [03:59] excellent [03:59] its the same thing as in windows [03:59] Nice [03:59] i mean 100% the same, of course, instead on green is blue lol [03:59] Hah [03:59] The thing is [03:59] you can download it from the frostwire webpage [03:59] its a simple deb package [03:59] I got Limewire and I get a connection error [04:00] But I'll try Frostwire before complaining more, lol [04:00] try the frostwire one, easy to download and to install [04:00] Yeah [04:00] Installing right now [04:00] enjoy [04:00] well gotta go [04:00] good luck you all [04:00] Alright [04:00] Thanks for you help man [04:01] okay, how can I log into KDE as root? [04:01] you need to change the kdmrc file [04:01] don_: you don't, that's explicitly disabled and you should never need/want to [04:01] stdn cause I"m trying to edit teh target line of this file to add something to it [04:01] * genii sips a coffee and waits for all the lectures about root [04:01] in the /etc/kde3/kdm folder [04:01] gonna go back to fedora, I can log in as root from there....lol [04:02] don_: then edit it in kate [04:02] I need to edit this link as root [04:02] in the bottom of the file you will find an easy description on how to [04:02] use kate or simple nano [04:02] how can I edit the properties of an exe file in kate? [04:02] need to edit the properties of it, not the file it's self [04:02] second click [04:02] then chown it [04:03] yeap that too [04:03] if I right click it, it opens up the properties, but the target line is greyed out and won't lte me edit it [04:03] what does chown do? and how do I do that to a link? [04:03] man chown [04:03] chown = change owner [04:03] or chmod if you want the execute, read, write thing [04:03] "chown `whoami`: /path/to/link" [04:03] Ahh, Frostwires giving me the same thing. Gah. [04:04] man files confuse me...okay, I"ll look around [04:04] I can execute it, but I need to execute it in root too...lol [04:04] path to link? as in on the desktop? or where the link starts? [04:04] does anyone have a fix yet for 7.10 festy + xine ?? I haven't been able to play a movie in kaffeine since I have upgraded. Xine crashes no matter what app trys to use it. [04:05] chown `whoami` ~/Desktop/filename then [04:05] * genii ponders if sudo needed, if so then `whoami` won't work [04:06] by whoami you mean my name? [04:06] nope [04:06] cause I tried that and it told me "missing operand after 'name:file [04:06] oh [04:06] when I use whoami it said invalid user [04:06] by "`whoami`" I mean "`whoami`" [04:07] with the two ` [04:07] yes [04:07] ' ' [04:07] 'whoami' [04:07] not [04:07] thats not the same quotes [04:07] oops [04:07] I'll try again [04:07] not quotes? [04:07] `` not '' [04:07] backtick [04:07] or use quotes? [04:07] 'whoami' [04:08] up by 1 key [04:08] like that eh? [04:08] oh, that could be it [04:08] it's on the same key as the ~ [04:08] operation not permitted [04:08] cannot access : no such file or directory [04:08] and I"m in the directory of the file [04:09] well, the link [04:10] no space between `whoami` and the : [04:10] "sudo chown `whoami`: filename" [04:11] yep, I got that done [04:11] but still won't let me alter the line I need altered in teh properties, only let's me change the name [04:14] okay, so I want to run this link as root now, do I use kdesu ~/Desktop/linkname? [04:14] !mp3 |me [04:14] me: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [04:15] can wget NOT overwrite existing files? if not, can curl pick up where wget left off? [04:16] does anyone have a fix yet for 7.10 festy + xine ?? I haven't been able to play a movie in kaffeine since I have upgraded. Xine crashes no matter what app trys to use it. This was a problem that was known when I first installed and I'm hoping its fixed. [04:16] sparr: it can if you tell it to with -O, it can also continue with -c [04:16] sfire: 7.10 is Gutsy, Feisty is 7.04 [04:16] sorry.. gutsy [04:17] how do I install a theme from kde-look? [04:17] stdin: even with -c its trying to re-download an existing file [04:18] really please help. kdesu /home/don/Desktop/linkname doesn't work [04:18] is there a tool I can install for that? [04:18] what am I doin wrong? [04:19] stdin: its -nc, thanks though [04:19] don_: the things on your desktop arent really links or shortcuts [04:19] okay so I need to put in the full path to the file it's self? [04:23] If whats on the desktop is only a link to it, yes, you need the actual path/name [04:25] how do I get compiz installed? [04:25] If it's some exe of course, still not going to run [04:25] You need wine for that [04:26] !compiz | jrsims [04:26] jrsims: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion [04:28] whenever i hover over a prorgam with the mouse it automatically gives that program priority (making the others turn gray at the top) how can i turn this off? [04:28] to where i have to click it for it to have priority [04:30] go to control center, under desktop->windows behaviour in focus policy [04:30] how do I run a program in wine under root? [04:30] anyone in Aus willing to post Kub release to me? [04:31] hydrogen: what if I just want drop shadows and transparency... do I still need compiz? [04:31] yea [04:31] for transparency [04:31] until kde4 [04:31] k [04:31] where kwin4 is quite awesome [04:32] can I run a progam under wine as root? [04:33] you shouldn't.. [04:33] risky [04:33] not normally needed [04:33] but I have to, it's telling me I don' t have access to overwrite a file that has to be updated to run [04:33] so I need to run it as root so it will properly update [04:34] don_: For one thing, wine can run windows viruses quite easily, secondly, I woldn't trust wine with an admin enabled app [04:34] err [04:34] what are you trying to do exactly? [04:34] it sounds pretty not-that-good [04:34] I'm trying to connect to a lineage private server that is running in my windows box downstairs [04:34] this is a completely legit client I have here, but it needs to update from my computer downstairs [04:35] and what file is the exe trying to overwrite.. [04:35] through the network, when I run the program [04:35] it's a dll [04:35] where is it trying to put it.. [04:35] normal stuff that runs and works fine in windows.....but I dont' like windows so I want to make it work here [04:35] it should be going inside .wine [04:35] which is owned only by you [04:35] Right [04:36] in which case installing as root is not going to change anything [04:36] It shouldn't be trying to do anything outside of $HOME at all, if it is, it's time to worry [04:36] don_: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2273 shows compatibilty of this app with wine [04:37] !mp3 |me [04:37] me: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [04:39] exact error Themidia(the title) Cannot UPdate oreans.sys driver. Please, make sure that you have administrator's permits the first time that you are going to run this program. [04:39] don_: right click on the exe on desktop, choose "Open with Wine Windows Emulator" [04:39] etc [04:40] that's what I did, and this is the error I get [04:40] and that link there is for lineage2, I"m running lineage1 [04:41] lineage 1 wine compatability: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=687 [04:41] if it screwes up my box, then it screws up my box, how can I run a wine app like this as root please... [04:43] alt-f2 kdesu wine ~/Desktop/appname.exe [04:43] I tried that, it told me it wasn't a command... [04:43] if the user cant run it with wine properly. I would be suprised if the root user could run it with wine properly. [04:43] Dr_willis: Yup [04:43] so it can't be done then [04:43] open a konsole, sudo -s to get a root shell. wine path/to./whatever.exe [04:43] damn it [04:44] this is linux. anything can be done. :) [04:44] unless of course theres bugs with wine, or that app.. or the phase of the moon. [04:44] and given wines track record. theres a lot of apps that wine cant run. [04:45] on a new 7.1 kubuntu, when i click on KNetworkManager, nothing happens. nothing loads, no window pops up. any one know why? [04:45] same error [04:45] damn [04:45] um $this->renderElement(); seems to not return anything, how is that possible [04:46] err nevermind. [04:46] oh i forgot to echo [04:47] i thought a prefix with render would echo [04:48] mkdir ~/.wine/drive_c/installs; cp ~/Desktop/filename.exe ~/.wine/drive_c/installs; env WINEPREFIX="/home/user/.wine"; wine "C:\installs\filename.exe" [04:49] genii: Wow, you go dude! [04:49] * ardchoille hands genii a coffee [04:49] ardchoille: Heh, thanks :) [04:49] Whether it works or not we may see [04:49] hehe [04:51] /home/user/.wine - /home/user/ not found.. :) [04:51] Dr_willis: lol [04:52] argh put `whoami` instead of user [04:52] Dr_willis: Good catch there [04:52] Dr_willis seems to catch things quite well [04:53] * genii throws Dr_willis a coffee [04:53] ;) [04:53] None for me.. its almost bed time [04:53] * Dr_willis gets a hot coco. [04:53] :) [04:53] genii what would that whole line up there about wine do? [04:54] break it into little parts, seperated on the ; [04:54] it makes a dir, copies a file, then runs a command. [04:54] was that for me to try with this problem I'm having? [04:54] don_: first it puts the install or whatever in the .wine directory hierarchy. Then it sets the envelope for wine to that directory, then runs it [04:55] don_: Sure, but lemme edit [04:55] /home/USERNAME/.wine is the default however isent it.. :) [04:55] yes it is Dr_willis [04:55] don_: perhaps try: mkdir ~/.wine/drive_c/installs; cp ~/Desktop/filename.exe ~/.wine/drive_c/installs; env WINEPREFIX="~/.wine"; wine "C:\installs\filename.exe" [04:55] where filename.exe is course the file in question [04:55] okay [04:55] actually its sort of amazing how good wine is getting, and how well ubuntu handles it. and the little things.. like wine program icons and so forth. [04:56] Dr_willis: Yes, my friend runs PokerStars on it [04:57] Ive been running Bookworm, and other PopCap Games. :) [04:57] argh.. the ubuntu channel is no use, anyone here know how to change icon themes on gnome? [04:57] I haven't really found anything useful to run in wine yet.. i feel left out [04:58] that line up there left me with > and every time I hit enter or anything else antoher > [04:58] wine winrar.exe [04:58] Ah, hit ctrl-c then [04:59] thats why its a good idea to break the line down into the individual parts.. so you know whats going on. :) [04:59] mkdir ~/.wine/drive_c/installs [04:59] cp ~/Desktop/filename.exe ~/.wine/drive_c/installs [04:59] THEN the env WINEPREFIX="~/.wine"; wine "C:\installs\filename.exe" [04:59] the use of ; makes it easier to paste. :) [04:59] do I need to run this as root? [04:59] why use winrar when there's unrar? [04:59] Theres should be NO need to run a wine progrm as root. [04:59] or ark? [05:00] * genii fails to see the fascination of root-things [05:00] brhad56, because i got 10000 SNES Roms i want zipped into indivitual zip files. :) [05:00] and i know how to do it with 3 clicks in winrar. [05:01] But now i know how to use xargs :) so could do it with 1 command line.. i think [05:01] Thats a lot of roms [05:02] don_: Did you run that from a konsole or do alt-f2 then put it in? [05:11] anyone ever used evms? documentation is scarce, evms channel is dead... [05:13] dennister: what is evms? [05:13] genii: private message for a sec? [05:13] dennister: Sure [05:13] Ahmuck: a complicated ibm program for partitioning, mounting disks [05:15] anyone help me with vnc? I've got a KDE session running on the remote machine and i want to connect to it (but no VNC set up there, yet) [05:15] is there some way i can set it up from this end? [05:16] no, that would defeat the purpose of security [05:16] wouldn't it [05:16] no [05:16] how would it? [05:16] i'm an authorized user of both systems [05:16] i have root on both machines [05:17] graft: You want vnc to connect to another box and forward xorg? === drarem is now known as flake === DM| is now known as Delvien [05:17] how can I convert a wav to mp3 [05:18] mv foo.wav foo.mp3 (jk) [05:19] lol === warpig is now known as Val_0 [05:20] use lame === Val_0 is now known as Val0 [05:23] cool, thanks === Delvien is now known as DM| [05:25] can i play the mp3 in terminal to test === DM| is now known as Delvien === baconero is now known as andri_akassar === imbrando1 is now known as imbrandon [05:34] hello everybody [05:34] flake: use mplayer [05:34] hey I have a question about WiFi... [05:34] ah [05:35] I am considering using NDISwrapper to make use of the proprietary drivers for my WiFi card [05:35] I've heard that it works with my laptop's particular Broadcom WiFi card [05:36] what do I have to do to get this set up and running? [05:36] in which case, using ndiswrapper is about your *only* option. broadcom is notorious for being evil [05:36] !ndiswrapper [05:36] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [05:36] ok thanks [05:37] I'm running Feisty [05:38] the instructions should work equally well, s/gutsy/feisty as needed [05:42] is there a cure for the 2.6.15 kernel bug loop module makes / busy and can't be remounted ro ? [05:46] hello [05:48] I presume apt caches all packages you download temporarily, so you don't have to redownload them if you reinstall them. My question is, what command completely clears out that cache of downloaded packages, even for the ones that are still installed on the system? [05:49] luft: apt-get clean [05:49] lufthanza apt-get clean or rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* [05:49] luft: sudo apt-get clean to be exact [05:50] mox69 heh well root wouldn't need sudo [05:50] :) [05:50] hey i just broke my syste m :( [05:51] tried to install xubuntu-desktop with apt-get on kubuntu [05:51] and when trying to run things like gedit or emerald in term, I get "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl " [05:52] search for and install libgdk [05:52] if its not installed that is [05:53] my a200 laptop has atheros wifi but kubuntu cannot see it [05:53] or do apt-get check [05:53] shane@shane-macbookpro:~$ sudo synaptic [05:53] synaptic: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter [05:53] shane@shane-macbookpro:~$ sudo synaptic [05:53] synaptic: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter [05:53] lol [05:53] Well "hal" does see it but its not working? [05:53] try sudo apt-get check [05:54] Reading package lists... Done [05:54] Building dependency tree [05:54] Reading state information... Done [05:54] shin: 1 sec [05:54] k :] [05:54] Kubuntu have an ndiswrapper gui [05:54] ? [05:54] no [05:55] installable? [05:55] thanks [05:55] I would like to get my atheros setup on my laptop [05:56] Would anyone know if it is possible and possible where I can get help on how to setup a dumb terminal that can basicly get some kind of x window system or other GUI that can let one browse the web etc? [05:57] shin: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 [05:57] libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version. [05:57] hmm :) [05:58] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade === balaji is now known as maddy [05:59] Hmmm have you guys ever heard of bcm43xx-fwcutter? [05:59] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [06:00] jalbert sounds like a broadcom module [06:01] jalbert interesting. one more. sudo apt-get install -f [06:01] err shinikaru i mean [06:01] shin: apt-get install libglib2.0-0 [06:01] ~$ sudo apt-get install -f [06:01] Reading package lists... Done [06:01] Building dependency tree [06:01] Reading state information... Done [06:01] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [06:02] apt-get --reinstall the package [06:02] E: Couldn't find package libglib-2.0-0 [06:02] err [06:02] brb rebooting... [06:02] Whoops hyphen. [06:03] ok [06:03] did it install? [06:03] i did --reinstall install libglib2.0-0 [06:03] and at the end it gave me a bunch of [06:03] ldconfig deferred processing now taking place [06:03] /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib32/libQtCore.so.4 is not a symbolic link [06:03] "is not a symbolic linl" etc. [06:03] about 15 of them [06:03] hmm well something sounds a bit messed up [06:04] i would try a reinstall on xubuntu [06:04] ah [06:04] I just wanted to check out xubuntu >_< [06:04] ok . [06:04] so I have to reinstall xubuntu... then..? [06:04] and to be honest i have no idea if you can have xubuntu and kubuntu on the same system.. [06:04] i need glib updated too [06:04] projectm wont see it [06:04] eventhough i know its there [06:05] update headers or something like that [06:05] i dunno ho [06:05] shinikaru you copied the installation from one disk/partition to another no ? [06:05] wupdate? [06:05] what? [06:05] no [06:05] I actually started with ubuntu [06:05] shin: you might run into a problem when uninstalling xubuntu that it will unstill a bunch of necessary libraries [06:05] vlc won't play dvd's any idea [06:05] switched to kubuntu by installing kubuntu-desktop [06:05] man vlc [06:05] then i decided to try xubuntu by installing xubuntu-desktop [06:05] and now everything os broken :( [06:05] in it it shows the vlc options to choose dvd region and codec [06:06] shin: hehe smooth :) [06:06] not sure how to fix that, besides unstalling all of that and a fresh reinstall [06:06] which sucks because I spent about two full days configuring kde. [06:06] shinikaru dereferanced symbolic links are normally caused by either a backup/restore that dereferances them or a copy process that doesn't preserve links. [06:07] symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl [06:09] /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib32/libQtCore.so.4 is not a symbolic link <<< there should be about one symbolic link for each lib (dot so file) in each lib/ dir [06:09] Anyone know if ubuntu can setup an x-window based or GUI type 'dumb terminal' that can do things like email and web based applications? [06:10] KevinAlaska why gui based if it's a dumb terminal ? [06:10] and yes it can. i just don't see a use for such. [06:11] well I know the traditional use for 'dumb terminal' would be text based, I just have a need of putting something like that in my kitchen if its possible. [06:11] intelikey. [06:12] hi, my volume control does not take effect after replaced ubuntu 7.10 with kubuntu 7.10 by a fresh install, [06:12] which codecs are needed to play dvd's on vlc? [06:13] its included [06:13] the sound is very small and i cannot control it through the volume control, anyone can help／ [06:13] its not playing the dvd [06:13] is it a pal dvd? [06:13] I noticed some dont..try another and see [06:14] dunno how do i check? [06:15] umm, its on the box, or, maybe the disc on the inner circle printed, have you loked in man vlc at all the nice options it has? [06:15] intelikey - I am just in need of a GUI type of dumb terminal in my kitchen if it is possible... only room for a monitor etc just no place for a case... :( besides sounds like a fun project to learn if there is a possible way. [06:16] well of ocurse there is a way, just put the computer in a cabinet [06:16] its pan's labyrinth [06:16] kevin. intel left [06:16] intelikey - doh! :) [06:16] i dont see "pal" anywhere [06:16] thanks you Xcell. :) [06:16] k [06:16] in a terminal type man vlc [06:17] and read all that good stuff. [06:18] Might anyone else know of terminology or something else to get me pointed in the correct place so that I might try to learn about how to setup a 'GUI type of dumb terminal'? [06:18] how do i navige the man [06:18] volume contrl problem [06:18] my volume cotrol does not work on kubuntu 7.10 but works fine on a previously installed ubuntu 7.10. the sound is very small,. anyone can help? thank you [06:19] gui type of dumb terminal [06:19] ?? [06:19] whats ur definition of terminal? [06:20] yeah... I plan to have a server setup for the home but I could get use out of it hopefully in a way to maybe setup a X window type dumb terminal if possible. [06:20] is there no basic guide for ubuntu on setting up vlc? [06:20] terminal != console [06:20] well dumb terminals are usually text based that have min of keyboard and a monitor ... am I correct? :( [06:21] terminal = a place to type commands, like a cli [06:21] console = computer to be used [06:21] oh.. that are hooked up over a network to a server [06:21] you want a command line prompt in your kitchen? [06:21] no sorry.. looking to setup somethign to check email and surf hopefully.. :/ [06:21] yea ok [06:21] thats easy [06:22] really?! :) [06:22] you can add a user, that only has access to the browser, the email program [06:22] you can make it so, that user, when logged in, has the browser automatically load [06:22] and cannot be cloased [06:22] and any other programs you want you can give them [06:22] but no place for a CPU case.. where I can place it. [06:22] or just give it few desktop links [06:23] one of those perhaps being a cooking recipe program [06:23] lol. yep. :) [06:23] ok [06:23] theres somethign called microATX [06:23] and you can put it in a cabinet [06:23] MB right [06:23] yea mobo [06:23] they just small and use less power [06:23] get a weak processor [06:23] get like 1 gig of ram [06:24] I know.. also shuttles etc.. I know. Just wanting to keep down cost and space in cabnets are hard to find in the kitchen [06:24] well [06:24] :) its mostly a space issue really. =/ [06:24] you can hook the monitor and keyboard up with super long cables to a kvm switch [06:24] so its just the monitor mounted and keyboard somewhere [06:24] or [06:24] a mouse [06:24] with a on screen keyboard [06:24] ahh.. true. [06:25] vga/kvm switches are dirt cheap and plug and play [06:25] I have seen KVM cables at least 25 feet.. thinking 50 feet. [06:25] orrrrrr you can use a touch screen [06:25] konqueror displays everything as a list view. I set it as icon view but it just goes back when I close the window. How do I make it stay? [06:26] thought about that... we use those at work for our clients [06:26] yea i used em at work too. [06:26] elo touch screens.. heavy little things [06:26] you ever mount a monitor [06:26] with a metal arm? [06:27] no but to a wall flush mount yes [06:27] tv with a swing arm in my parents old house [06:27] same principle but you have an arm to extend it out with [06:28] mounts in the same spots [06:28] why not a cordless keyboard and a lcd monitor [06:28] Just a thought [06:28] I have a small older LCD to use... [06:29] im sure one could imagine so many pros and cons to having the keyboard in the kitchen or not [06:29] and t depends on the size of your kitchn [06:29] ya [06:29] cordless is a good idea... I could perchance run a vga extension long enough maybe [06:29] and your kitchen habits [06:29] not that big.. bigger then some I think but not much [06:29] in my house, that shit would get coverd in booze and god knows what else in no time [06:29] lol [06:29] lol [06:29] so plastic coat them. :) [06:29] never seen a drunk kee bord [06:30] maybe just a cordless mouse then [06:30] not sure.. seen drunks do lots of dumb things in my time though. :) [06:33] !wifi [06:33] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [06:35] well... Xcell & loaxx - you both gave me some things to think about. thank you for the help. just need to work out a few details I guess to come up with something good. [06:35] n/p [06:36] i cant telnet to my eggdrop bot. any help ? [06:36] loguser1@pc1:~$ telnet localhost 7599 [06:36] Trying 127.0.0.1... [06:36] telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused [06:43] what can be wrong [06:45] anyone know how to resolve the lines in dvd playback on vlc? === gnu is now known as titanix88 [06:52] i want do disable the automatic graphical display rescuer :@ it's driving me nuts!! [06:53] pls someone help me ! [06:54] #ubuntu [06:54] i cant telnet to my eggdrop bot. any help ? [06:54] loguser1@pc1:~$ telnet localhost 7599 [06:54] Trying 127.0.0.1... [06:54] telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused [06:55] hello, i am fat man and i weigh 400 pounds! you can see video of my supreme fatness at fat-man.bravehost.com [06:55] lol [06:56] i want to disable displayconfig-gtk. how can i do that? [06:56] U needa richard simmons (U) Dont get a meal deal [06:57] Skidooo: sudo apt-get install telnetd [06:57] XceII: lol [06:57] lol [06:58] whats so funny Xcell? :@ [06:58] sub[t]rnl, k [06:59] I need to install the latest alsa drivers ,,Is there any easy way,? [06:59] titanix88: you can remove the package, sudo apt-get remove displayconfig-gtk [06:59] sub[t]rnl: ohh... :o thnx [07:00] sub[t]rnl, done. now? [07:01] start the demon, and telnet away [07:01] sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start [07:01] telnet localhost [07:02] mike: go to the webpage, download and install [07:03] if your building from source, make sure you sudo apt-get install build-essentials [07:04] sub[t]rnl, loguser1@pc1:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start [07:04] * Starting internet superserver inetd loguser1@pc1:~$ telnet localhost 7599 [07:04] Trying 127.0.0.1... [07:04] telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused [07:05] telnetd is listening on the default port [07:05] ? [07:06] why are you trying to telnet to port 7599? [07:07] better yet, why are you wanting to use telnet at all? [07:07] !ssh | skidooo [07:07] skidooo: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [07:08] good day [07:08] Greetings [07:08] after upgreiding to 7.10 still have problems with sound and wi-fi [07:08] *upgrading [07:09] same problems from 7.04? [07:09] no [07:09] in 7.04 evrything worked corectly [07:10] whats the problems, sound and wireless aren't working? [07:10] Greetings, having some slight issues getting the video drivers to work correctly on a new pc I have kubuntu on. It has an Nvidia 7950GT, using binary drivers, cannot get it above 640x480 [07:10] sub[t]rnl, why should i use ssh. its on my own pc [07:11] yes, sound and wireless. yesterday i've updated alsa drivers, added line in alsa_base with my model and so on.. (its for sound) but no results from that [07:11] dont know where to start to fix WiFi [07:11] And I thought NVidia drivers ran better, but my ATI PC works fine... odd... [07:12] !wifi | Tokeiito [07:12] Tokeiito: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [07:12] !sound [07:12] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [07:13] thank you sub[t]rnl [07:13] !compiz [07:13] Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion [07:14] sub[t]rnl: also have problem with CPU [07:14] i have core duo [07:15] but in info center can see only one CPU [07:15] overminddl1: have you tried installing the restricted-manager-kde, and enabling the drivers that way? [07:15] I installed the drivers from the restricted manager in the control panel, enabled drivers, seems to work fine, just cannot exceed 640x480, and the wiki does mention a bug about not being able to detect monitor settings and something about a fix, but cannot glean what that fix it [07:15] sub[t]rnl, if i install ssh server. any one can connect to my pc? [07:16] Tokeiito: cat /proc/cpuinfo [07:16] currently have it running the desktop at 1024x768 while the screen is at 640x480 so I pan around, works enough for now, but want it fixed... [07:16] Skidooo: not until you have it listen on the local host, by default, its invisible [07:17] processor : 0; model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz [07:17] overminddl1: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for a "virtual" setting [07:17] I see it (I have it open now [07:17] Tokeiito: look a little farther down, do you see Processor: 1? [07:17] there is no [07:17] Processor: 1 [07:18] as i said 7.10 sais that i have only 1 CPU [07:18] sub[t]rnl I changed the virtual so I could have my full desktop size, even though I cannot get the monitor to that yet, how do I get it to work on the monitor itself? [07:19] overminddl1: try setting it with sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [07:19] overminddl1: backup your xorg.conf first [07:20] sub[t]rnl: one sec [07:21] sub[t]rnl: onother question: will i have same problems if i reinstal my system from scratch? [07:21] Tokeiito: no way to tell [07:22] sub[t]rnl: done [07:22] sub[t]rnl: ctrl+alt+backspace? [07:22] overminddl1: yup, or a softer sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart [07:23] how to format one partison of a hdd with command? [07:23] sudo fdisk /dev/hdd [07:24] wait, format, sorry [07:24] mkfs.xxx [07:24] sudo format /dev/hdd ?? [07:24] sub[t]rnl, i have installed ssh and i gues iam logged in. what to do now to log into my bot? [07:24] sub[t]rnl: and it is now stuck at the x loading screen, text mode, last line is Running local boot scripts etc.... [07:25] sub[t]rnl: I selected NVidia and 1024x768 in the reconfigure prompts [07:25] overminddl1: try startx [07:25] did you see any errors? [07:26] sub[t]rnl: in another terminal I take it, since this one is now useless? [07:26] sub[t]rnl> and /dev/hdd ... is the main partison? [07:26] yeah, doesn't matter, try hitting ctrl + c to get a prompt in that term [07:27] sub[t]rnl: Yo, it's working [07:27] sub[t]rnl, what now|:? [07:27] sub[t]rnl: So what exactly was done for future reference? [07:28] sub[t]rnl: and I may need to wiki this... [07:28] black magic overminddl1 [07:28] ...black magic [07:28] Skidooo: what bot? an eggdrop bot? [07:29] overminddl1: -phigh was used to set your resolutions, then the rest was done with your reconfiguration of the xserver using dpkg [07:29] sub[t]rnl: Ah, thanks for the info, will wiki it now (mostly for my future reference, but anyone else may find it useful) [07:31] it seems that there is drivers for my wifi card [07:31] but pc doesnt see eth1 interface [07:31] sudo fdisk -l to list partitions [07:31] sub[t]rnl, yes [07:32] Tokeiito: whats iwconfig show you [07:32] Skidooo: try #eggdrop [07:32] lo and eth0 === Skidooo is now known as |Quest| [07:33] lo - no wireless extensions. eth0 - no wireless extensions. [07:33] Tokeiito: are we talking about a laptop here? [07:33] yes [07:33] Tokeiito: is the wifi turned on? [07:33] Dell Latitude D620 [07:33] physcially? [07:33] yes [07:33] on old kernel i can use it [07:34] ew, so it stopped working on the latest kernel? [07:34] ues [07:34] yes [07:36] hrm [07:37] Tokeiito: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG ? [07:38] <|Quest|> sub[t]rnl, no one is answering [07:38] :( [07:38] hello all - i just installed 7.10 and i'm having issues with Adept. i get a "Could not commit changes" error alert. [07:39] make sure you starting adept via kdesudo adept [07:41] i get a "command not found" - do i need to specify the full path? [07:41] adept_manager [07:45] sub[t]rnl: yes Pro/Wirless 3945ABG [07:45] SectionUrbaine: also run sudo apt-get install -f && sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get autoremove [07:47] Tokeiito: have you installed the restricted driver? [07:48] chm... yes. i can see it in restricted drivers manager [07:48] should work then [07:48] whats your ifconfig look like [07:49] there is no eth1 interface [07:49] only lo and eth0 [07:50] try restarting your interfaces [07:50] sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [07:50] make sure you have the wireless switched on [07:52] sub[t]rnl: i've done it a lot times with wifi on. restarted networking, restarted all system. [07:52] since you've installed the restricted driver? [07:52] greets ardchoille [07:53] that driver was installed in 7.04 [07:53] sub[t]rnl: :) [07:53] so maibe i need to update it now some how? [07:54] if the same driver worked in 7.04, not sure why it wouldn't in the 7.10. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [07:55] what is the sound volume app called in kubuntu? [07:55] kmix [07:55] sub[t]rnl: have done this yesterday and today. there is no updates [07:55] i didn't have my sound driver installed by default so it was never installed [07:55] is there a way to make it start by default? [07:56] devinus: do you know what module it is? [07:56] snd-hda-intel [07:56] devinus: add that to /etc/modules [07:57] oh no [07:57] sound works [07:57] its just [07:57] kmix doesnt start by default and ignores that i checked "start by default" in it's config window [07:57] it's really weird [07:57] yeah [07:58] could always put kmix in the autostart directory [07:59] ok - it looks like that fixed the problem - thanks guys :-) [07:59] np [08:04] pidgin/gaim hanged [08:04] does anybody know how to get knetworkmanager to connect to the network by default? [08:05] ok, it appears that my problem is the sun-java6-plugin. it's listed as BROKEN. === llo is now known as rubenn [08:13] moin friends :) [08:29] anyone using hardy? [08:36] mikess: yes [08:36] #ubuntu+1 is the channel for that [08:36] bazhang: What version of alsa? [08:36] oh ok === \etc\bin is now known as e1mer [08:43] Pidgin is quite crashable [08:44] Life is quite crashable [08:46] super. sound is back in the ear [08:46] :) [08:46] left only wifi :( [08:54] ok. where can be problem that system cant see wifi interface? iwconfig shows only lo and eth0 [08:56] Tokeiito, to see devices do lspci === kleind^zzz is now known as kleind [09:00] noiesmo: ok. it seems that i can see 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) [09:00] but why then system doesnt start it [09:00] cose drivers in restricted drivers manager also are === imbrando1 is now known as imbrandon [09:00] could it be problem cose driver is from old version? 7.04? [09:00] Tokeiito, it may need ndiswrapper to work not 100% try google intel PRO blah and ubuntu [09:01] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=433956&page=2 [09:01] http://www.ridinglinux.org/2007/05/12/getting-intel-prowireless-3945abg-working-on-opensuse-102/ [09:02] lol it seems that after upgrade there is no ndiswrapper-common in system [09:02] Tokeiito, wht u running gusty or feisty [09:03] i've upgreided from feisty to gusty and got bunch of problems: nvidia graphic, sound and wifi [09:03] i've fixed sound and nvidia [09:04] Tokeiito, check out hte first link i gave its for gusty might show the way to fix up [09:06] hi all [09:07] hi apparle [09:08] in windows you can type a symbol by holding alt and presing any number like ali + 5589 and then release it. after releasing the alt button. a sign/symbol appears. i can not do this in linux. any way to do it? [09:09] PeterPan_: let me google a sec [09:09] hey everyone. my dsl connection randomly drops every few hours. does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this? [09:10] ActionParsnip: k [09:11] PeterPan_: you can press altgr+shift+ [09:11] PeterPan_: and it does stuff by default [09:11] PeterPan_: I'll keep looking [09:13] !pastebin [09:13] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic) [09:13] apparle: who are you ? [09:14] PeterPan_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47800/plain/ [09:14] PeterPan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-315984.html [09:14] DrUnKnMuNkY: might want to contact your isp about that one. [09:15] DrUnKnMuNkY: wireless? wired? [09:15] PeterPan_: http://www.jacobsen.no/anders/blog/archives/2007/06/05/how_to_get_special_characters_easily_in_ubuntu.html [09:16] ActionParsnip: nop... [09:17] PeterPan_: weird...hmmm..let me google again. You on Gutsy? [09:17] ActionParsnip: kubuntu gutsy [09:17] ActionParsnip: thx! === DrUnKnMuNkY1 is now known as DrUnKnMuNkY [09:18] sweet link ActionParsnip! thanks! [09:18] PeterPan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24041 [09:18] PeterPan_: apparently its CTRL+SHIFT [09:18] PeterPan_: np PeterPan_ :D [09:19] np bazhang [09:19] k. i'm trying to compile drivers for ipw3945, but i'm getting error: [09:19] WARNING: Your kernel contains ieee80211 symbol definitions and you [09:19] are not using the kernel's default ieee80211 subsystem. [09:19] bazhang: PeterPan_ apparently you gotta use hex too :( [09:20] Tokeiito: compile drivers? why? [09:20] ActionParsnip: good to know--thanks! [09:20] bazhang: cose after i upgraded to 7.10 i dont have my wifi [09:20] i can see driver in restricted drivers manager [09:20] but wifi doesnt work [09:21] Tokeiito: is it in use? [09:21] no [09:21] but enabled [09:21] ActionParsnip: hex ? [09:21] Tokeiito: unclick then click [09:22] PeterPan_: yeah instead of 73 you'd type 49 (4*16 + 9) === kenneth is now known as habus [09:22] k we will. see i'm geting msg that i need restart [09:22] PeterPan_: use your calculator to translate initially but then you will know what to use [09:22] Tokeiito: that'll do it [09:22] oops [09:22] PeterPan_: Hex uses a base 16 instead of 10 like decimal [09:22] hello. I was wondering if someone could help... i am trying to get a cam to run in kopete for both msn and yahoo, does anyone have any suggestions? [09:23] russ: does the cam work in other apps? [09:23] PeterPan_: are you trying to use foreign characters like accents? [09:24] actionparsnip, yes, on one site, and the drivers seem fine, as it works in config, just can send or receive in Y! or MSN [09:24] russ: i'd check what devices they expect. you may need to create some symbolic links [09:25] russ: what device is your cam? [09:25] actionparsnip, oh, ok, damn! was hoping to get out of this easy... brand new to linux [09:25] it is a logitech [09:25] russ: welcome to the learning curve. Its fun :D [09:25] k. problem still there [09:25] russ: is it usb? [09:25] wifi doesn't work [09:26] actionparsnip, yes [09:26] russ: ok what model? [09:26] Tokeiito: what notebook? [09:26] Dell latitude D620 [09:26] Tokeiito: does it say in use now? [09:27] no [09:27] Actionparsnip is is a quickcam IM [09:27] system can see wifi device [09:27] Tokeiito: is there a toggle to turn on the wifi device? a switch that is [09:27] yes there is. and its turned on [09:27] russ: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=303330&page=5 [09:27] russ: you done that [09:27] it worked on 7.04 and stoped after upgrade [09:27] russ: use your tab key to autocomplete names in irc :D [09:28] Tokeiito: in the knetworkmanager settings is wireless enabled? [09:29] Tokeiito: right click on knetworkmanager icon [09:29] there is no wifi interdace [09:29] *interface in manager [09:29] Tokeiito: open up the konsole [09:29] Tokeiito, what kernel you running [09:29] noiesmo: new [09:29] 20.14 [09:30] should be 22.14? [09:30] what cmd to chek kernel version? [09:30] Tokeiito: uname -a [09:30] uname -r [09:30] ActionParsnip :) thanks for the info, will go and have a read... slowly working out what RTFM is all about, bad case of windows laziness, and by the way, how do i tab to autocomplete? [09:30] * ActionParsnip likes to use the whole thing [09:30] 2.6.22-14-386 [09:31] lo all [09:31] hehe [09:31] russ: press tab...like actio [09:31] Tokeiito: open up the konsole [09:31] i'm in it [09:31] ActionParsnip, cool, thanks [09:31] can someone point me in the direction to download x64 for intel version? [09:31] russ: no worries man [09:32] ActionParsnip, i am running Ubuntu, will this info fit? [09:32] russ: kubuntu is ubuntu with a different frontend. its essentially the same deal [09:33] russ: i just love kde [09:33] ActionParsnip: can you tell the procedure again pls. i didnt got what you mean. how to put chars [09:33] ActionParsnip, cool, i will check it out... KDE? Is that another version of linux? [09:33] PeterPan_: should be alt_shift then the hex convertion of the value you want to input [09:33] !kde | russ [09:33] russ: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information. [09:34] ActionParsnip, thanks again [09:34] russ: np [09:34] bazhang: i'm in console :) [09:35] ActionParsnip: not working [09:35] ok i'll try to work it better..... does kubuntu support the intel q6850 processor, 1333mhz ram and sata2 drives running raid0 ? [09:35] Tokeiito: you on the machine now? [09:35] yes [09:35] PeterPan_: have a google and see what you can find and i'll look too [09:35] using wired network atm [09:35] ActionParsnip: key words? [09:36] fdhfd [09:36] PeterPan_: i'm using altgr special characters but be creative [09:36] Tokeiito: what does ifconfig say [09:37] lo and eth0 [09:37] what about iwconfig [09:37] Tokeiito, dmesg |grep net [09:37] lo - no wifi; eth0 - no wifi : iwconfig [09:37] PeterPan_: if you bring up character map (under accessories) does it give you the keystrokes there [09:38] anyone know how to get flash working on 7.10? [09:38] dmesg: [09:38] [ 9.110023] audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) [09:38] [ 3.616000] eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM5752KFBG) rev 6002 PHY(5752)] (PCI Express) 10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet 00:15:c5:49:f2:d9 [09:38] 64bit acee1235? [09:38] acee1235: install kubuntu-restricted-extras package [09:38] ActionParsnip: acceessorites. where in? [09:39] not x64 [09:39] how do i add that [09:39] PeterPan_: the gui for the character map [09:39] PeterPan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CharacterMap [09:39] PeterPan_: charactermap from konsole [09:39] ActionParsnip: where to find it [09:39] acee1235: from the command line or adept [09:40] bazhang: command? [09:40] so any ideas how to get my wifi back ? ;) [09:40] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras acee1235 [09:40] PeterPan_: the link is cool if you click on the key composer [09:40] ActionParsnip: iam using kubuntu [09:41] the command will still work [09:41] k [09:41] thx! [09:42] PeterPan_: np [09:42] once more thing: dmesg after i'm switching on off wifi key, shows: Unknown key pressed [09:43] Tokeiito: the drivers haven't loaded--not sure why that is--I have that very same card--is this a dual boot? [09:43] yes [09:44] yakuake is occasionally a bit sluggish to respond. Every 2 seconds or so a keypress just takes much longer than on others. Is this a known problem? [09:44] Tokeiito: when you used the xp part--did you check the properties for the card? sometimes windows will power down the card and that will cause problems in ubuntu [09:45] Tokeiito, check this file etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [09:45] what tool should I use for formatting drives [09:45] noiesmo: there is no or its empty [09:45] gui or cli apparle [09:46] bazhang: gui [09:46] oh sry [09:46] gparted perhaps, or the kde equivalent [09:46] misstyped name [09:46] !yakuake [09:46] Sorry, I don't know anything about yakuake - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [09:46] bazhang: what is it [09:46] noiesmo: what i must search? [09:47] Tokeiito, do you have /etc/iftab [09:47] SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:02:dc:54:c8", NAME="eth1" === Neville is now known as neville__ [09:47] Yakuake is a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. [09:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuake [09:47] yes i have iftab and its empty [09:47] apparle: gparted? [09:47] all lines commented out [09:48] yakuake is way cool [09:48] bazhang: I use kubuntu. Tell me for KDE [09:48] apparle: sorry no idea [09:48] thats ok, i have: etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [09:48] Tokeiito, can you see a line with wifi mac address [09:48] no [09:48] only eth0 [09:49] bazhang: somehting like QTParted. Isn't it? [09:49] apparle: could be [09:49] Tokeiito, there should be alisting for your wifi [09:50] Tokeiito, you can add one [09:50] in iftab i've added ##eth1 mac xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx arp 1 [09:50] i'm not sure about "arp 1" [09:50] cose eth0 is arp 1 too [09:51] Tokeiito, no sure :( [09:52] Tokeiito, you could try it reboot see if wifi goes if not change the value reboot [09:52] ok. [09:52] rebooting [09:52] Tokeiito, only cause udev created at boot [09:54] bazhang: Download done. [09:54] md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz [09:54] The Flash plugin is NOT installed. [09:54] acee1235: try it again [09:56] acee1235: try it again. It seems that the download of the file was incomplete [09:56] apparle: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [09:56] can I format a USB pen drive into 2 partitions [09:57] seems like everyone is getting that md5 sum problem with flash...wonder why [09:58] apparle: sure [09:58] apparle: pendrivelinux dot com [09:59] acee1235: got to adept and remove flashplugin-nonfree and then try [10:00] i just purged and reinstalled it [10:00] no errors [10:00] but firefox still doesnt work [10:01] apparle: that link will tell you how to use fdisk to format into two partitiions, even if you don't want a bootable usb stick [10:01] is wine an application to run within a GUI or is it its own GUI? [10:01] !wine [10:01] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility. [10:02] Daemon--: unable to undestand your question. Please explain [10:02] would like to know about Data recovery programming. Any sites? [10:02] apparle - well is wine an application or a GUI? [10:02] compatibility layer Daemon-- [10:02] still wifi down :( === meduxa is now known as toscalix [10:03] Tokeiito, :( [10:03] im switching over to linux and heard im going to need to run wine, trying to figure out if wine is just an application (like microsoft word) or a full blown GUI [10:03] asked and answered Daemon-- [10:03] question!, what is sudo command to get envy [10:04] Daemon--: read the link by the way [10:04] Daemon--: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. It is an application to be able to run .exe files [10:04] It will run your Windows programs (maybe) in separate windows within Linux [10:04] runs YahElite well. [10:04] bazhang - ok i understand, but would i run wine from the CLI or from inside KDE or Gnome ? [10:04] Not all programs run under WINE. [10:05] Daemon--: the latter [10:05] great, thx [10:05] apparle:dm5 checksum keeps failing on flash [10:05] gonna go try install everything now [10:05] ohh before i go, which GUI do you recommend? [10:05] I don't use WINE much, but it does work for a lot of programs. [10:05] kde of course :} [10:05] ok thanks [10:06] I have used it under KDE, my preferred GUI. [10:06] wish me luck hehe [10:06] used windows all my life [10:06] gl [10:06] If you're a Windows uer, KDE may seem more familiar than Gnome. [10:06] hoow to you change directories in the konsole (in dox its cd.....) [10:06] bazhang:http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/19/portable-qemu-persistent-pendrivelinux/ If I use apt-on-cd with this linux will t work [10:06] Just my opinion. [10:06] technically not a gui, but that was his intent I believe [10:06] Didn't I tell you that, Daemon--? =P [10:06] not sure lol [10:07] ok cya [10:07] thanks [10:07] apparle: not sure; do they mention the possibility? [10:07] Also "cd" in the console, acee [10:07] cd /home [10:08] Daemon--: I shifted to linux last month after using Win for 8 to 10 yrs and I am happy [10:08] But use forward slashes instead of backslashes [10:11] I want to zoom in the HTML pages opened in konqurer. How to do that [10:13] Doe anyone know how to reinstall grub? I installed another distro and it make its partition the active grub partition. So if I delete that partition, grub fails. I want to make /dev/sda4 and its menu.lst active again. [10:13] !recoverafterwindows [10:14] I guess it's the second stage of grub that needs to be switched back to my kubunto partition. [10:14] jbbarnes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [10:15] Checking on that... thanks. [10:16] how do i get kontact to quote a forwarded message and not attach it as an attachment? [10:16] !windows [10:16] For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents [10:16] acee1235: See if drect install from adobe does it! http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux [10:18] is it possible to create a user that can do nothing except browse the internet and use openoffice programs? [10:20] who can help me with kmix http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47805/ [10:22] sigma: I'd probably create a new group (something like webusers), add everyone else to that group except the new user, chown root:webusers /path/web_browser && chmod 750 /path/web_browser so that user can't run the browser [10:22] how can I zoom HTML pages [10:23] sigma: This is where ACL's come in handy [10:23] apparle: In konq? [10:23] ardchoille: I think he asked the other way around... who can only browse web and use OO.org... [10:23] No alsaconf in Kubuntu? [10:23] ardchoille: yes [10:24] apparle: ctrl+mouse_wheel ? [10:24] ardchoille: whats a ACL? [10:24] apparle: or ctrl++/- keys [10:24] sigma: Access Control List [10:24] ah i see, il try that out [10:25] Lynoure: That wold work for that too, ut there must be other ways [10:25] wow zooming html is freaky [10:25] lol [10:25] some body either suggest me a substitute for kmix or make it run http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47805/ please please please [10:25] sigma: If you do that, I'm not sure if the new chmod/chown would stick after an update that upgraded the binaries [10:25] ardchoille: any ways I can think of are a bit intensive, as browsing and oo.o use a lot of libraries, not that easy to jail. [10:26] Lynoure: True [10:26] bazhang: I hae a book in HTML and the font is very small [10:26] what is kmix doing exactly.........just not playing sound? [10:27] apparle: try what ardchoille said--it is way cool [10:28] Lynoure: I learned a trick from a veteran Red Hat employee: sudo chown root:wheel /bin/su && sudo chmod 4750 /bin/su (prevents anyone who isn't in the wheel group from calling su) [10:28] jaz_:it is not starting [10:28] Of course, i ubuntu that isn't necessary [10:29] hmm, sounds it doesnt work right with your soundcard........might try a diffrent mixer program [10:29] ardchoille: thats no prob, i never update, only format, dont trust updates they always break something [10:30] SuSe 9.3 updates did that to me........i went to ubuntu [10:31] jaz_: I use OSS drivers and get an error related to ALSA [10:31] sigma: kde kiosk admin tool might be the easiest tool for the job, but I have not tried it myself (see http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/kiosk/index.html , however), but as far as I know it does not really jail a user, so a determined baddy can probably use whatever normal software they wish [10:31] sigma: I second what Lynoure just said, I had forgot about the kiosk tool and its benefits [10:33] hmm [10:33] thanks guys il check it out [10:34] morning [10:34] I have installed alsa-utils but still no alsaconf? [10:34] my netgear router doesnt seem to work with Ubuntu........i wonder why [10:34] im by-passing my router to get on here === ashaszin_ is now known as asha [10:35] jaz_: doe ou know any other mixer applet [10:35] not realy, youll have to look around for one [10:36] anybody knows a volume control applet other than kmix [10:38] nope [10:38] anybody knows a volume control applet other than kmix: there should be one [10:38] whats the problem with kmix? [10:38] apparle: alsamixer ? [10:39] ardchoille: First of all I use OSS drivers. Secondly I want a volume control applet [10:41] wgt624 Netgear Router doest let me on the net, yet windows works with it, maybe its not compatab? [10:52] i need to get a diffrent router, this one is terrible [10:53] its not compatable with linux, and drops the connections 10 times in 15 minutes most of the time [10:53] how to chat the channel and user list bar location. i cant drage them [10:53] how to completely uninstall xchat so that if i reinstall it. previous settings dont take place. [10:54] bye [10:54] bye everyone [10:54] buy [10:54] <.< [10:55] i restarted my coputer and now i have no sound any ideas? [10:55] is your sound card Muted? [10:56] no [10:56] volume turned up? [10:56] all the way [10:56] hmm [10:57] lol [10:58] lol [10:58] so is this like the tech support channel? [10:58] hi all [10:58] hi [10:59] work is dull so i thought id see what was shakin [11:00] acee1235: See the adobe site for direct link of flash player http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux bye [11:00] well, my netgear router is terrible, and i need a diffrent one, and im sitting here on Kubuntu talking to myself........ [11:00] i have finals tomarrow >.<* [11:00] jaz_: netgeat usually ok. I got a linksys myself [11:01] jaz_: finals for what? [11:01] College algebra, History since 1865-2007, Psychology, Comp1 [11:01] jaz_: algebra is fun [11:02] algebra is easy its the English im worried about === _max is now known as _max_ [11:02] i HATE English class [11:02] jaz_: why? [11:02] becuase im not realy good at english [11:04] i have vmware servers :( [11:04] one is being a div and wont rdp :( [11:04] hmm [11:04] i've been rebooting it all morning [11:04] apache ftw! [11:05] this is a windows citrix farm, this one machine wont come online [11:05] o [11:06] re-install windows [11:06] or use your restore disc if you have it [11:06] jaz_: which one, theres a vmware system running 8 servers [11:06] :D [11:07] well idk, id have to be there i guess [11:07] jaz_: yeah its fun fun fun [11:07] might get the guys to reimage when im gone :D === kde4 is now known as buz [11:09] all i can say is stay away from netgear routers, the one i got drops my connection every 3 minutes and isnt compatable with linux [11:09] its a netgear WGT624 [11:12] How can a router not be compatible with an OS? [11:12] Wouldn't the router have something wrong with it? [11:13] well, it works in windows, it doesnt in linux soo..........idk [11:14] jaz_: as long as both conform to rfc standards their is no issue [11:14] jaz_: check your configs [11:15] jaz_: is the connection that drops on wired or wireless? [11:15] its a wirless to wired system [11:16] i get signal from tower, it goes threw router, then to Computer [11:17] jaz_: so the connection that drops is wireless? [11:17] this computer is hooked directly to the router normal, but i run wirless laptops on it too, it drops ALL of them [11:18] then its a knackered router if it drops them all [11:19] every 5 minutes my Entire network is dropped >.<* [11:21] i checked out a few websites, This router has TONS of bad reviews, im guessing that Most of them are this way [11:23] has anybody any experiance with NVidia graphics cards im having trouble with 3d graphics support in games [11:23] jaz_: you could try updating the firmware [11:23] SatManUK: you got nvidia-glx installed [11:24] i will check one min im just waiting for updates to finish downloading [11:24] SatManUK: thats all you need to install :D [11:25] i did update the firmware already. it says im up to date. still doesnt work [11:25] ok thanks [11:26] jaz_: return it. its probably faulty [11:26] im planning on it [11:28] jaz_: Linksys routers use a linux OS :D [11:28] Awsome...... [11:30] ah........i just got envy running, its installing my Nvidia drivers [11:30] !envy [11:30] envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver » [11:36] oh my god. monitoring is so much easier when the system has the right ip in it :( [11:36] grrrr [11:59] Installed NVidia GLX - however its stating this when i load the game: *** ppracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual (Success) [12:01] the card we have is NV44 (GeForce 6200 TurboCache) [12:01] Ok, please, I just can't make my wifi work. It worked perfectly pior to upgrading to gutsy, but now it's dead gone. [12:02] SatManUK: when youboot do you get an nvidia logo? [12:02] no [12:02] just loads the Kubuntu logo - then KDE [12:03] SatManUK: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/22/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-edgy/ [12:03] Anyone got a bright idea of where I can learn 'bout firewalls ? [12:03] SatManUK: this should work for you [12:05] Cold_Inz: www.google.com :D [12:06] lol [12:07] yeah, could've used that, but I hoped someone here knew 'bout a good site, instead of having to rage through 500+ hits on google .. :P [12:11] hi are germans in here? [12:11] !de [12:11] Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de [12:12] thanks [12:12] how do you apply a theme to kubuntu 7.10? [12:13] !changethemes | acee1235 [12:13] acee1235: To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy. Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes === gelos is now known as ghost === ghost is now known as gukk_devel [12:17] ok i managed to totally take down the x-server now it won't even load [12:20] i have done a dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and now it won't load [12:20] Disable the framebuffer? [12:21] ok [12:24] hi all === vtech is now known as vtech_ === icewater1an is now known as icewaterman [12:36] need help [12:37] wats da problem? [12:37] before upgrading to the latest kubuntu my wireless was fine [12:38] after the upgrade can't connect VIA wireless [12:38] what wireless is it and which driver do u use [12:39] i'm using a notebook which i think uses built-in wireless card [12:39] try kwifimanager. it worked 4me [12:39] vtech_: what do you get in lspci -l [12:40] sorry i dun get wat u meant ActionParsnip [12:40] vtech_: in kosole - type or paste the command [12:41] k hold on [12:41] !pastebucket | vtech_ [12:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebucket - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [12:41] vtech_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org [12:41] vtech_: paste it in there and put the link in here [12:42] ActionParsnip: pastebucket? that's the first I've seen it called that :p [12:42] sorry what's the command? [12:43] stdin: its been a long day [12:44] vtech_: lspci [12:48] this is what i get ActionParsnip http://pastebin.com/m16d097b2 [12:48] vtech_: great give us all a sec [12:49] vtech_: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) [12:49] so i have to download that driver? [12:49] vtech_: ok what do you have in knetworkmanager [12:50] vtech_: looks ok to me [12:50] would u like me to paste the Ksystemlog when i try to connect to wireless? [12:51] vtech_: sure [12:51] can you also paste your /etc/network/interfaces file === raichoo is now known as xRaich[o]2x [12:52] sure [12:53] this is the log http://pastebin.com/m5badcea9 [12:54] buenas alguien me podria ayudar con este sistema operativo [12:54] any ideas stdin ? [12:54] this is the network interface http://pastebin.com/m607995e4 [12:54] whats the command for reconfiguring the xserver-xorg [12:54] sudo dkpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [12:54] or something like that.. [12:55] vtech_: try moving auto ra0 above iface ra0 inet dhcp [12:55] hi alguien en español [12:55] vtech_: you not using wep/wpa? [12:55] !es [12:55] Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. [12:56] yes i do [12:56] ActionParsnip: the module "rt2500pci" should (i think) support that [12:56] !MOCP [12:56] Sorry, I don't know anything about mocp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [12:56] !dkpkg [12:56] Sorry, I don't know anything about dkpkg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [12:56] !dpkg [12:56] vtech_: you havent specified any security so you won't get a connection [12:56] dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. [12:57] i'm connected using the broadband now as i can't connect to the wireless connection [12:58] vtech_: exactly, you havent specified your wireless security on your system [12:58] !MOC [12:58] Sorry, I don't know anything about moc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [12:58] vtech_: if you had your /etc/network/interfaces would have more info [12:59] any ideas how do i fix this? [13:00] vtech_: add a line under ra0 stating wireless-key [13:00] the Wireless Assistant has prompted me for the pass which i've entered but still failed to connect [13:00] ok i try,hold on [13:00] vtech_: you'll need to have power to edit ti so use kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces [13:00] Guys I have unpacked glibc 2.5.1 and linuxthreads and created a glibc-build folder but how to configure it? [13:02] Neoxeekhrobe: read the readme in the unpacked files [13:02] Wireless Assistant still says Connection Failed [13:02] vtech_: you'll need to pull down your wireless then bring it back up [13:03] vtech_: once you have added the line [13:04] vtech_: sudo /etc/init.d/ifdown ra0 [13:04] vtech_: sudo /etc/init.d/ifup ra0 [13:04] ActionParsnip: i installed NVidea-glx as you said - it still didn't work [13:05] stdin: would it help to create a symlink of ra0 to wlan0 ? [13:05] I have dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and that didn't work either [13:05] SatManUK: did you follow the walkthrough [13:05] (first it took down the xserver but changing the framebuffer option fixed it [13:05] yes [13:05] ActionParsnip: I doubt it [13:05] can you paste me the link again [13:05] !nvidia [13:05] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [13:06] !nvidia-glx [13:06] Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia-glx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [13:06] SatManUK: can you do a paste of you xorg.conf file [13:06] ok [13:06] (not here i know) [13:07] SatManUK: http://cholito.org/2006/11/23/installing-nvidia-in-3-steps looks good (3 steps) [13:08] sorry command not found [13:08] ActionParsnip: http://www.pastebin.ca/812020 [13:09] SatManUK: try the walkthrough i sent [13:10] i just did a nvidia-xconfig so now im rebooting again.. [13:10] brb [13:10] SatManUK: i think you need to have nvidia on line 66 instead of Driver "nv" [13:10] can i just restart x.. [13:10] brb.. [13:10] SatManUK: I'd do a full restart just so we know its cool [13:13] * ActionParsnip hopes he comes back [13:13] anyway food time dude === DrUnKnMuNkY1 is now known as DrUnKnMuNkY [13:29] #apache [13:37] hi, is it a normal problem, that i cant receive files (trough icq) with kopete? im behind a routerfirewall and forwarded 5190 - pidgin works with that [13:45] I wish to generate a CSR for an SSL cert with an unencrypted passkey. Can find many how-to for creating encrypted, but not unencrypted. Any help? [13:52] hey all [13:53] hi === akhsan is now known as eror_message [13:59] haiii [14:00] well... hi [14:00] hoal [14:01] hola even [14:01] anyone noticing any general slowness to us.archive.ubuntu.com? [14:01] I'm pulling updates at a whopping 7k/sec [14:01] on a T3 [14:02] sorry, using german-mirror (de.archive.ubuntu.com) - fast as always [14:02] ah [14:02] things just got faster all the sudden [14:02] this whole install has been goofy [14:03] tried to do an upgrade yesterday and it blew up huge [14:03] so I formatted off everything but /home and reinstalled onto the old partitions [14:04] then apt was all goofed up saying that there was an upgrade available and all these packages that needed updated [14:04] ... blew up? hows that coming? [14:04] hm [14:04] kept crashing through upgrading the packages it said were old [14:04] can anyone please help me with installing my broadcom1390 wireless card. i tried all the manuals but it doesn;t help [14:04] had a lot of trouble with the video card (nvidia quadra) like it didn' tknow what drivers or packages it should have installed [14:05] ended up having to pull the list of updates off the apt updater and then manaully doing the sudo apt-get install [14:05] now it's caught up but it kept failing on network-manager and then cupsys and would lose the USB keybaord and I'd have to reboot [14:05] just oddness, stuff I've not seen since like redhat 3 kind of strange [14:06] I think it's all settled out now [14:06] so weird [14:06] hm [14:06] never had such problems [14:06] Hmmm, how do i route the sound from firefox (flash videos etc) to my usb headset instead of the speakers? [14:07] now I'm playing wtih vmware server 2 beta [14:07] and it seem sto be very different, but it could just be the ghost in my machine right now too [14:07] jussi01: is your headset recognized als sound-device? [14:07] jussi01: is it working with other apps? [14:07] rebugger: yes [14:07] to bothe questions [14:08] anyone? [14:09] well found a thread with the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=278365 - but no solution [14:09] rebugger: yeah, i read that one.... [14:10] rebugger: Its minorly annoying to say the least [14:10] yes, i imagined that [14:10] well i'll have a look at gogole [14:10] google [14:13] what's the difference between xinetd and inetutils-inetd? === _czessi is now known as Czessi [14:13] jussi01: tried that http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2992749&postcount=6 [14:14] rebugger: hahahaha... found te same thing just now... about to test it [14:14] k [14:15] what happend in kubuntu hardy wtih kde3?!?! WTF?! [14:15] !language | juan_ [14:15] juan_: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [14:15] well, tell us - i've gutsy mit kde3 [14:15] rebugger: sorted :D [14:15] works now, jussi01? [14:15] juan_: please keep hardy discussion to #ubuntu+1 [14:16] rebugger: yeps [14:16] juan_: what's wrong with it? [14:16] jussi01: nice ;) [14:16] rebugger: thank you :D [14:16] thanx jussi01 [14:16] jussi01: youre welcome ^^ [14:18] Any kontact/kmail user here ? Kmail looses my smtp pop imap settings, it happens several times now it's some how annoying [14:18] I am on gutsy [14:18] <- kmail user here [14:19] lucky_lucas: I use it constantly. never had that particular problem. [14:19] settings are lost? hm.... [14:19] reb [14:19] rebugger: trappist It happens everal time now it's so strange [14:20] lucky_lucas: i would try deleting all settings (rm -r .kde/share/apps/kmail) - but be warned - i think all messages will be lost - so backup them first [14:20] lucky_lucas: you do want to make sure kded is running. I do see a lot of settings lost when it goes down. [14:20] lucky_lucas: and then reconfig kmail [14:21] trappist: To start kded I just do it from a tty, or does it have launch options ? [14:21] lucky_lucas: from a tty should work, but check to see if it's running first [14:21] rebugger: I will remove all the settings in the last hope [14:21] trappist: ok [14:21] can someone tell me, what kded is? [14:21] lucky_lucas: also check kwallet [14:22] kwallet is on [14:22] rebugger: man kded :) [14:22] trappist: i think, kwallet is just managing the passwords [14:22] ^^ k [14:22] seems that kded is started [14:23] 5621 0.2 1.9 40100 20008 ? S 14:45 0:06 kded [kdeinit] --new-startup [14:23] I think the mess is that one time it doesn't find it it erase all the files in .kde [14:24] well that wouldnt be cool [14:24] and I can't find any account info in .kde [14:24] do rm -r ~/ [14:24] or sudo rm -r / [14:24] lol [14:25] knx_ .... you are on the wrong server [14:25] sorry [14:26] haha knx_ I woudn't recommand that: anyway I already search for files in it, before and after (the loose) and it I saw differences in the number of files etc... [14:26] folders disapeared [14:26] I wonder if it's some disk failure [14:26] it was just a joke [14:27] kitofhawaii can you pm me so i can paste the output [14:27] lucky_lucas: dont think, that it is a diskfailure [14:27] knx_: Those jokes could be pretty harmful, They have strong policies in ubuntuforums around such jokes [14:27] i said sorry [14:28] Does anyone use Kaffeine for DVB-S? Cause i've got a little problem, the screen is shaking like hell. There was no problem with 7.04. And this problem exists since the the first RC of Gutsy. I thought they solved this problem, i even reported it but nothing so far. Its still shaky and i cannot view satelite channels... Anyone experienced the same? Btw, skystar2 card. But everything was fine under 7.04. oh, and mpeg movies and stuffs are still [14:28] ok. Only satelite channels are shaky. [14:28] knx_: I don't mind, [14:28] it's ok [14:28] i cant get flash to work [14:28] downloaded the instal*.tar.gz [14:28] yeah, flash is very buggy [14:29] had the same problems on kde [14:29] and flashplayer.xpt is missing [14:29] only 2 files [14:29] got it work by downloading a alternativ-package of the ubuntuforums [14:29] knx_: one more those jokes and you'll get a reward [14:29] rebugger trappist : oes it [14:29] i am serious [14:29] Does it deserve a bg report or something ? [14:29] is it a difference for flash player 9? [14:30] its a 2.9Mb file right? [14:30] yes [14:30] something like that [14:30] hmm [14:30] i downloaded the rpm [14:31] i'll explode that and see [14:31] lucky_lucas: oes it? [14:32] I meant does it deserve a bug report ? [14:32] donno [14:32] the return was one step too early [14:32] google didnt return any such issue [14:32] lucky_lucas: sure sounds like a bug to me. might want to poke around and see if it's already been reported. it would (should) be filed against the kdepim source package [14:33] well, im off - have to work [14:33] bye [14:33] which option to select to just run kubuntu live from the cd no installation [14:33] i downloaded it from the adobe site [14:33] trappist: Weel before a bug report, I would like to konw how I could track the bug... I don't like complaing on b.k.o [14:34] Any thoughts concerning my problem with kaffeine? [14:35] lucky_lucas: first do a search on launchpad.net to see if there's already a bug. if you don't have a launchpad account, create one. If you file the bug, you'll be "subscribed" to it, and you should get email alerts when there's any activity on it. [14:35] Ok, I will [14:37] how do I install an older kernel into gutsy [14:37] correction older kernel source [14:37] I need 2.6.20 but I can only get kernel source 2.6.22 [14:38] trappist: I'm pretty sure to be alone with this bug, I don't want to look like the guy with it's complaing for it's own drama on launchpad [14:38] I wonder how I could reproduce/ track the bug === comp11 is now known as P [14:39] One more questions : I'm looking for a damn good website to learn bash scripting === aleksei_ is now known as aleksei__ [14:40] hi! === aleksei__ is now known as aleksei_ [14:41] lucky_lucas: it's nice to be conscientious about that, but this sounds like a bug to me. [14:42] lucky_lucas: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ [14:44] * genii sips a coffee [14:45] Anyone have a good article on how to upgrade gutsy+kde3 to kde4, latest release? [14:46] Wanderer: Upgrade? no, you couldnt upgrade, you could have both of them in same time [14:46] nice [14:46] ok, got a url with how to install kde4 in addition and then start 4? [14:46] hey all my trash:/ remote:/ type paths stopped working after the last updates to hardy :( [14:46] (yes, I know it's not stable. I've got a spare machine to test on) [14:47] will LTS contain kde 3 kde4 or both? [14:47] Wanderer: if you want the 'latest' code, you should get the svn and compile it.there is a tutorial in techbase.kde.org [14:48] I'd rather not do that right now [14:48] Wanderer: but if you want the latest release, then wait a few days, KDE 4.0 RC2 is released, packages will come in a few days for kubuntu [14:48] cool [14:48] Wanderer: and RC1 packages are in repositories [14:48] thanks emilsedgh [14:48] Wanderer: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php [14:50] trappist: thanks [14:55] hi, my sound works for kde/amarok/films etc but kmix is useless moving any sliders doesnt affect the sound and i want to be able to use the volume control on my keyboard, can anyone help please? [14:58] kub^: right click on it [14:58] hi everyone, which files does the network configuration under system settings change, before i was able to connect to my linux box from windows using samba shares, after using the network configuration in system settings i no longer can connect, i've placed the values back to what they were but still nothing [14:58] kub^: in system tray === bogdan_ is now known as gribelu [14:58] kub^: and go to 'select master channel' [14:59] and choose pcm ? [15:00] kub^: dunno which works for you [15:00] ok thanks for the help mate :) [15:00] kub^: open the mixer window and change the slider and see which works for you [15:00] np [15:01] rickympl: probably only /etc/network/interfaces, but I'm not certain. might also look at /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch.conf [15:02] thx trappist [15:04] I'm trying to install some icons in KDE and i am running a little bash script that is doing something and it is telling me 'Checking for convert... no.' Any idea what 'convert' it is referring to? [15:08] funkja: imagemagick [15:08] too late [15:08] a program called convert, possibly? [15:08] genii: convert is part of imagemagick [15:09] trappist: That must be why i have it then in /usr/bin [15:09] genii: if you have imagemagick installed, then yeah :) [15:11] genii: dpkg -L imagemagick | grep bin/ [15:13] * genii does ldd /usr/bin/convert instead [15:16] genii: doesn't really give the same info. I was pointing out the apps provided by imagemagick. [15:20] is gutsy gibbon stable? [15:20] Hello Everyone! [15:20] Kindly help me; http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47833/ [15:21] Daemon--: yes, its stable [15:21] Daemon--: officially, yes, in that it's released. if you need really stable, for like a server, you might want to look at dapper. [15:22] cool, will it detect my raid set cos i just tried debian etch and it didnt see it as raid, just saw 2 drives on their own === normie is now known as Dark_Sith [15:22] trappist - nah this is for personal use bud === Dark_Sith is now known as Homey [15:22] Daemon--: depends on what hardware you've got [15:22] usamahashimi: something is wrong with that package.... [15:23] trappist: Uber-cool for the website, I was overflowed with the tons of websites that googles returns [15:23] trappist - here........... [15:23] back [15:24] (CPU4) Intel® Core™2 Extreme CPU Q6850 @ 3.00GHz @ 3000MHz (ASUSTeK Computer INC. Striker mainboard) (RAM) 4GB, 3GB free (HDDs) 1.36TB, 1.24TB free [15:24] (VGA1) NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX (768MB), 1680x1050x32, 60Hz (OS) Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Professional x64 Edition (SP2), 1h 38m 22s uptime, 20h 18m 52s uptime record [15:24] Daemon--: I'm not actually familiar with gutsy's support for any specific raid hardware, I just know that the answer to your question depends on the hardware [15:24] trappist: Heh, I know. I was just doing ldd because if you don't know what package a file originated from you can get some clues that way [15:24] trappist: Sorry for late answer hehe, the prof for my master thesis cam in [15:24] trappist - ok thx === root is now known as root_ [15:25] genii: I like apt-file search for that (have to install apt-file and do sudo apt-file update) [15:25] lucky_lucas: heh [15:25] I definitely need to plug a mirror on my laptop..... === root_ is now known as OnioExhale [15:26] OnioExhale: irc'ing as root is a Bad Idea (tm) [15:27] OMG [15:28] trappist: That should be one of your safest advice hehe [15:28] ragazzi qualcunoi mi aiuta? [15:30] vanny: I don't think italian is the current language here around [15:30] did you try ubuntu-it [15:30] #ubuntu-it [15:30] or #kubuntu-it [15:32] !it [15:32] Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! [15:34] Hello Everyone! [15:35] Kindly help me; http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47833/ [15:36] usama: something is wrong with that package [15:36] usama: ask the people ad mediaubuntu [15:37] nosrednaekim: can you tell me the name of that channel? [15:37] !mediubuntu [15:37] Sorry, I don't know anything about mediubuntu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [15:38] !mediaubuntu [15:38] Sorry, I don't know anything about mediaubuntu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [15:38] !kshell [15:38] Sorry, I don't know anything about kshell - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [15:38] deja vu [15:38] there's something called as kshell in Kubuntu - Is it ksh (Korn Shell?) [15:39] ubunturos: are you maybe talking about konsole? [15:39] !info kshell [15:39] Package kshell does not exist in gutsy [15:39] trappist: yes, I'm talking about the konsole which has bash by default [15:39] Dragnslcr: I'm using Dapper LTS [15:39] ubunturos: do you have a question? [15:39] !info kshell dapper [15:39] Package kshell does not exist in dapper [15:40] :-/ ... it does .. I issued a command kshell konsole and it popped up a konsole [15:40] ubunturos: konsole doesn't use bash by default - your *user* uses bash by default. if you changed your shell in /etc/passwd, konsole would use the new shell. [15:41] however, it doesn't appear to be different than the current [15:41] trappist: well, "I" am my "user" and I don't know specific commands on other shells. [15:41] ubunturos: kshell isn't a real shell/console/terminal - it's just a kde wrapper for launching shell applications [15:41] ubunturos: what are you trying to accomplish. [15:41] trappist: ah, ok. [15:42] trappist: hmm, you answered my question - it is a kde wrapper [15:42] trappist: thanks. [15:42] ubunturos: man kshell for that kind of info ;) [15:42] trappist: surprisingly, the documentation is not available [15:42] (may be it isn't installed) [15:43] ubunturos: oh you're on dapper, maybe it isn't [15:43] it is on gutsy [15:43] trappist: hmm, ok. So, if I install ksh from the repos (it is available) how do I invoke it? === DarthWar is now known as [WarMage] [15:44] usama: I don't know it.... [15:44] Howdy all : ) [15:44] ubunturos: you could just say ksh in a bash shell to start a ksh subshell. if you'd rather use ksh as your shell permanently, change it in /etc/passwd. if I understand your question correctly. [15:45] trappist: yes you do. Thanks. Though I had guessed that already, I just wanted to confirm, if that's one way to invoke ksh [15:45] ubunturos: Alternately to editing /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow just use usermod to alter the default shell for a given user [15:45] trappist: Thankyou very much :) [15:45] hint: use vipw to edit /etc/passwd with lint checking so you don't wreck yourself [15:45] trappist: for the moment, there's no need for me to get into ksh default, I'm happy with bash. [15:45] yeah <3 bash [15:46] eg: sudo usermod -s /bin/newshell name [15:47] thanks genii, for those tips === matze_ is now known as bill === bill is now known as Bill === Bill is now known as Bill_Gates_III [15:52] !googleearth [15:52] Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository [15:52] Does anyone know how to figure out what package the command ps is part of? [15:54] babeck: "dpkg -S bin/ps" [15:54] whats a good playstation 1 emulator? [15:54] !medibuntu [15:54] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [15:55] !info procps [15:55] procps: /proc file system utilities. In component main, is required. Version 1:3.2.7-3ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 218 kB, installed size 608 kB [15:55] !info procps|babeck [15:55] babeck: please see above [15:55] is it in medibuntu? [15:57] !info pcsx | sigma [15:57] sigma: pcsx: Sony PlayStation emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.699df-rc3-1 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 40 kB === genii is now known as grinch === grinch is now known as genii [16:02] thanks === mathieu is now known as NamShub === genii is now known as scrooge === scrooge is now known as genii [16:12] * genii sips a coffee [16:17] man, y don't ppl chat around this place? [16:17] xcell [16:17] lorddarkpat_: we support Kubuntu [16:17] xcell [16:17] lorddarkpat_: if you have a question about kubuntu, go on [16:17] as if I don't, hello!! [16:17] We are taciturn. [16:18] I'm all for Kubuntu(i wiped windows :D) [16:19] lorddarkpat_: so stay here and help the others :) [16:20] HELP.. i have dial up, i am on ubuntu now, i installed kubuntu on other drive, i need "setserial" for modem to work, can i put it on a thumb drive and installit from that? what are the commands to do such?? [16:20] so, which version r ya using? I'm using Gutsy. Can't wait for Hardy, though(stable KDE4!!) [16:20] lorddarkpat_: kde-4.1 will be stable, 4.0 won't :) [16:20] lorddarkpat_: i think most people are gutsy, and hardy will not have kde4 as defafult [16:21] WHY??????? I want KDE4(crying) [16:21] lorddarkpat_: there will be packages for kde4 in hardy like now in gutsy [16:21] I don't wanna install on gutsy cuz it's an RC!! [16:22] deuryte: Have you installed your restricted drivers? [16:22] do i need them? how do i do it without a modem?? [16:22] How do I take pictures and videos with my webcam? [16:23] Yes you do need them. They are on ur Kubuntu CD [16:23] deuryte:Just go to K-menu>System Settings>Advanced>Restricted Drivers [16:24] if i go look and see if they are in. and it says i dont need them. what do i do then?? [16:25] i think i accessed that , to see if there was any there, it said i didnt need them [16:25] deuryte:That probably means that either the modem is already installed, or Kubuntu hasn't recognised it yet [16:25] deuryte:Ok, go to K-Menu>Internet>KPPP and see if u can connect [16:26] shouldn't it be that whenever i try printing a file, Kjobviewer starts automatically at the tray , just like windows ?! [16:26] i research this project. and concluded that i need the sofware that is called" setserial". my q is. how can i get it to download to a thumb drive, and what are the commands to geet kubuntu to load it . kubuntu is on a separtate drive........ [16:27] Is "setserial" a linux binary? [16:28] oh, I checked it out, too. How come ur modem is on the serial port(that's weird) [16:29] its a serial external dialup modem.... only thing i can use rite now....... [16:29] zoom 3049 [16:30] can i dual boot ubuntu and kubuntu?? [16:30] yes you can [16:30] how.. in the bios?? [16:30] No, make a new partiton, boot up the Kubuntu live cd, install it to that partition, DONE!! [16:31] my ubuntu cd is 64bit. the kubuntu is 32........ [16:31] putting u to the test aint i ?........ [16:32] Doesn't matter, as long as your CPU is 64-bit [16:32] no problem, dude. I like helping ppl out [16:32] what would happen if... i hooked up both drives and pushed start. right now ?? [16:34] your BIOS would get confused and will crash [16:34] don't use two different drives. Use the same drive with diffrent partitions [16:37] deuryte: join #TGH@irc.freenode.net we can chat in private [16:37] Does anyone have comments on KDE4? [16:38] SpookyET:It's excellent, but it's too buggy right now [16:38] I've been reading an article that says it uses 39% less RAM [16:39] SpookyET: it's still beta, so wait until finished and then for the first fixes. then we'll see it's advantages :) [16:39] Maybe, but I like all my stuff to be stable. I'm happy with 3.5.8, but can't wait for stable KDE4 [16:39] i have a big problem... whenever i run some programs with wine, it shows up in my tray. for example. i open utorrent and right now its downloading but i can never get the damn program to show its window. its basically hidden the whole time [16:40] ratts: right click the prog in tray and select the "Show prog" or watever [16:40] i do, it doenst work [16:40] this usually happens to me whne i use wine [16:41] UTorrent stinks, use KTorrent [16:41] alright. ill do that. is it really better? [16:42] yup, it's faster, too [16:42] i tried azureus on linux and it sucks. i hope korrent is better [16:42] KTorrent i the best [16:42] i have gnome. ktorrent will work right? [16:42] Yeah [16:42] yeah [16:42] mailto:#TGH@irc.freenode.net is an email ?? [16:42] ok thanx [16:43] sudo apt-get install ktorrent [16:43] deuryte: #TGH@irc.freenode.net is an IRC channel [16:43] lol im not that dumb. i know the basic commands [16:43] wow. an improved gui [16:44] ratts:do u like it? and how'd dload so fast? [16:44] i havent seen any torrent programs on linux with a nice gui like this. now lets see if it will not reject the trackeer like most other linux torrent downloaders [16:44] it seems good. ill tyr it [16:44] hello-------- IT IS GOOD!! [16:45] lol [16:45] i liked bitcomet for windows because u could preview your movie downloads before they are done downloading so u know the quality of what you are getting [16:46] You can do that in Ktorrent, too. You just right click the torrent, go to the temp folder , BINGO! [16:46] however, it was always slower than utorrent lol [16:46] xcell [16:46] 0.0 [16:46] i dont believe u [16:46] What? [16:46] i went to saved folder in utorrent and tried previewing but it always said file was incomplete [16:47] what makes it any different than what you are suggesting [16:47] Cuz' it's WindBlows, silly!! [16:47] lol [16:47] Because torrents don't necessarily download a file in byte order [16:47] Born free!!! [16:47] As Free as Wind Blows!! [16:47] hi [16:47] and ktorrent downloads in byte order? [16:47] So you can't preview a file that's missing important bytes near the beginning of the file [16:47] Yes, but u can still preview [16:47] I'm having trouble with nsplugin on konqueror [16:47] is agetty kubuntu's default getty? [16:48] hmm thanks people [16:48] smcintyre:LOL [16:48] whenever it attempts to load flash, it crashes [16:48] you guys are a big help compared to the Rtards on the ubuntu channel [16:48] HELP.. i have dial up, i am on ubuntu now, i installed kubuntu on other drive, i need "setserial" for modem to work, can i put it on a thumb drive and installit from that? what are the commands to do such?? [16:48] ur welcome, rattts [16:48] lol get dsl [16:48] dial up is ancient history now [16:48] yea. good point [16:49] I have no idea how he manages with torrents [16:49] you would be retarded to pay 10 bucks for dial up when you could just pay twice as much for much faster speeds lol [16:49] or even more retarded to pay 20 bucks for aol [16:49] lol [16:49] AOL sux. End of story!! [16:49] ya lol [16:49] deuryte: Yes you can. Find the deb on packages.ubuntu.com [16:50] its not in my area yet !! cost for dish is 75 a mo..... anyone will to donate ??? [16:50] how do i tell kdm to make available multiple logins on different terminals? So i can switch via CTRL-ALT-F7/F8 etc? [16:50] aol thinks its all cool when it uses so much of that precious 1byte per second bandwidth [16:50] used to use it when I went for a vacation to US [16:50] lol [16:50] yea [16:50] You can put it on a thumb drive and install it with dpkg -i or copy it to /var/cache/apt/archives and then apt-get install it [16:51] riot: Switch user [16:51] shows u how primitive we are here in US lol [16:51] smcintyre. same for kubuntu??? [16:51] ty [16:51] yea. Kuwait's more primitive, though [16:51] lol [16:51] i use T3 ;) [16:51] deuryte: Same for all Debian distros [16:52] my hard drive is slower than my internet [16:52] I use ADSL-256kbps [16:52] HAHHAAHA [16:52] lol [16:52] and my hard drive is supposed to be fast. [16:52] speed? [16:52] smcintyre: no, i don't want to switch. I want them all at once. Works like a charm on my gnome-desktops, and i heard, its possible with kde, too [16:52] thank you very much !! smcityre [16:52] i love downloading like ten files at the same time with easch of them capping out a about 1000 kb/s [16:52] T3 is hell expensive up here [16:52] !ettiquite | lorddarkpat_ [16:52] Sorry, I don't know anything about ettiquite - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [16:53] lol its expensive here too [16:53] i dotn pay for it [16:53] lol [16:53] jpatrick? waddu u mean? [16:53] !etiquette | lorddarkpat_ [16:53] lorddarkpat_: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu ): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense... [16:53] im downloading the shawshank redemtion. grea movie if u havent already seen it [16:55] riot: You mean you want multiple KDMs open? [16:55] smcintyre: even multiple xservers, yes [16:56] alt+ctrl+F1 doesn't have a terminal for you? [16:56] smcintyre: ah, i realize, you meant that kde-menu-button - ah, i myself am not using kde on this box. Other users do. [16:56] smcintyre: a terminal, yes, but just textmode [16:57] riot: and you want 9 X servers runnign? [16:57] there is a section in synaptic showing the local/outdated packages. what are firefox, thunderbird and several other essential stuff doing there ? [16:57] smcintyre: hmm, i think 3 are more than sufficient. [16:57] mikkael: They are support packages to install the real packages [16:58] on 7,8,9 ? [16:58] hello [16:58] smcintyre: im not talking about metapackages [16:58] smcintyre: i want to know the reason why they are in that section [16:59] smcintyre: i have it exactly like that on my notebook (which is debian, running ion3 via gdm - which does that by its own config iirc) [16:59] how can I upgrade distro IF upgrade tool tells me that there is no newer packages? (there is no newer because I did "manual" upgrade of all packages via adept) [16:59] riot: Ah ok :) [16:59] riot: Shuld be possible. I think [17:00] anyone? [17:01] arekm: What did you do? [17:02] smcintyre: upgraded all packages one by one before gutsy. When gutsy was released then adept started showing new button like "upgrade to new distro version" [17:02] smcintyre: and that upgrade to new version fails because it says that there is no newer packages [17:02] arekm: That's a bug. Sorry for the scare :) [17:02] a future adept update should fix that [17:03] smcintyre: how to workaround? [17:03] I don't know if a workaround has been done up yet I haven't looked at that in a while [17:03] can you check #kubuntu-devel ? === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [17:05] xcell [17:06] i think i just found out.. gotta try.. theres a switch in kdm's kdmrc [17:07] ok what file can I edit to create a permanent performance setting for cpufreq-utils , it seems that the default setting is "ondeman" but that setting fails to switcup to higher rate when heavier jobs like video transcoding is implemented it sticks at 1Ghz and the the cursor and pages freeze momentarily , all symptoms of the a slow cpu. I've looked in the forums but there doesn't seem to be a permanent fix for gutsy. Any suggestions ? [17:08] hello all :) [17:09] !hi [17:09] Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu! [17:09] smcintyre: is it reported anywhere? trying to find bug report on launchpad but didn't find anything related so far [17:10] arekm: Ahhmm Not sure. [17:10] -devel is unfortunately silent [17:10] ah [17:11] did you try a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade on CLI ? [17:12] smcintyre: this didn't fix the problem [17:12] hm, maybe I should just downgrade single package to allow it upgrade [17:12] jpatrick: ping [17:13] HI jpatrick_ :) === alx_ is now known as alx1 [17:13] BluesKaj: /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils [17:14] what do i do cos my wine aind opening exe files? [17:14] BluesKaj: check "Governor" [17:14] <[AE][HDF]sudd1> pls klick! ---> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=8915041 [17:15] hi smcintyre === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [17:15] jpatrick: do you know if there was a fix for the adept showing a possible upgrade in gutsy bug? [17:16] smcintyre: not that I know of, the upgrade was painless and prefect for me :) [17:17] jpatrick: And Adept showed no Distribution Upgrade button when you were done? [17:17] nop [17:17] I'm having an issue trying to get a new usplash boot screen created.. basic image, 4 colors, and it compiles with no errors, but it still doesnt appear.. [17:17] i have successfully downloaded other .so files and replaced it, and had it work [17:18] im looking for more documentation maybe, that isnt the community how to for customizing [17:18] any suggestions? [17:18] id be happy to expound upon the details if anyone has any experience with usplash === mark__ is now known as lingard [17:20] hello [17:20] can anyone help me with adept? === apol|work is now known as apol [17:21] lingard: help you how? [17:21] when trying to install things it comes up with:could not commit changes [17:22] is it running as sudo/root? [17:22] not sure it can otherwise [17:22] i have no idea sorry [17:22] open a shell [17:22] how do i check? [17:22] and type sudo apt-get update [17:22] wont adept only open as root? [17:22] and have it pull a new list of thing [17:22] coreymon77: not reallys ure [17:22] after that type sudo apt-get autoclean [17:22] i think it makes you do it [17:22] then close the shell and try again [17:23] maybe he should try using cmd apt and see if it gives eror messages [17:23] that way we know whethe its just adept, or apt itself [17:23] yeah that's where I had pointed him [17:23] i think it may have been trying to install something that was already installed [17:23] if it does that? [17:24] it shouldn't let you [17:24] or should just tell you [17:24] lingard: what are you trying to install? [17:25] something to file share [17:25] though the box now seems to be checked [17:25] lingard: do this [17:25] kalorin: in a teminal [17:25] smcintyre: downgraded one package (curl); updater this time upgraded curl, at the end rebooted machine but... running adapt again and I can again upgrade distro :-/ [17:25] bye [17:25] kalorin: sudo apt-get install [package name] [17:26] kalorin: whoops, sorry [17:26] kalorin: wrong autocomplete [17:26] lingard: sudo apt-get install [package name] [17:26] slaright [17:27] i've just tried the adept thing again [17:27] ok llutz , made the governor and min and max speed changes..brb [17:28] lingard: and? [17:28] when you click on the show details thing it comes up with something about libc6? [17:28] kalorin: *sigh* this is why i use cmdline adep [17:28] t [17:29] i use both [17:29] I don't mind the little "oh no, there's updates" thingy [17:29] is there any way to resolve it? [17:30] yeah use the command line tool [17:31] sudo apt-get install libc6 [17:31] that should fix that up [17:31] it says it was interupted [17:31] and to run dpkg? [17:33] now its saying i need superuser privilege [17:33] lingard: then apparently you arent using root [17:33] lingard: add sudo to the beginning of the command [17:34] [12:31] sudo apt-get install libc6 [17:35] lingard: if you dont include the sudo part, apt will not have root privileges, which prevents it from installing or updating anything [17:35] anyways [17:35] i gtg now [17:35] kalorin: take care of this okay? [17:35] it told me to configure it [17:36] well, llutz , I mdes the changes in the /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils file but it doesn't make any difference , the "ondemand" setting is obviously the permannent default which can only be temporarily changed for one session only :( [17:36] there [17:36] gotta be a way [17:37] BluesKaj: have you changed the governor to "performance"? [17:37] yes [17:37] odd [17:37] ack [17:38] why does everyone have to make their own versions of stuff like java [17:38] why can't they just use the java that sun freely provides [17:38] so aggrevating [17:38] kalorin: because java isn't free [17:38] Does Compiz Fusion work well with KDE? [17:38] llutz, I assume the speeds are in Mhz/sec, so i chose 1800 for the min and 2000 for the max [17:39] llutz: it's free enough [17:39] not for all [17:39] <--- not going to develop anything for gij [17:39] sory [17:39] ain't gonna happen [17:40] BluesKaj: sounds ok [17:40] running the amd 64 venice 3200+ cpu which is adverted as a 2Ghz cpu [17:40] and I hate alternatives too! [17:40] <--- rant [17:49] * TuX_Claudiu say haello [17:49] h [17:49] hello [18:02] llutz , no joy ,the changes are being ignored , the "ondemand" is undefeatable in /usr/bin/cpufreq-set file [18:03] the changes appear in the file , but they aren't implemented === cecile_ is now known as kh251 [18:07] join #mono [18:08] Greetings everyone. Been awhile. [18:09] hi [18:14] Mr. Riddell, Great job with KDE4 [18:15] wow [18:15] so firefox on 7.10 crashes on my google.com/ig page [18:15] nice [18:15] Whats the IG page? [18:16] I google [18:16] Ah got it. Mine seems to be fine. [18:16] like your homepage at google [18:17] I'll install firefox 3.0 [18:17] see what that does [18:17] http://www.google.com/ig Although mine is not customized. Ah, Im running 2.00000000.11 [18:17] heheh [18:18] wow [18:18] even 3.0 crashes [18:18] displays most of hte page and then just poof window ---> gone [18:18] something isn't happy obviously [18:19] Dare I say, I just tested on XP and it worked with 3.0 Beta 1 [18:20] Very useful webpage /ig. How to of the Day........ Hot to Make an Origami Bunny. [18:20] Ive been looking for that...... LOL. [18:20] Sorry, back on topic. [18:25] can anyone tell me how to install a SMB server? [18:26] hello everybody - any idea when there will be kubuntu packages for kde4 rc2? [18:26] Lingard: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#Samba_Server [18:28] thanks [18:29] hi guyz :( i cant setup my internet connection, how can i? === Ryiel_ is now known as Ryiel [18:29] hello everybody - any idea when there will be kubuntu packages for kde4 rc2? [18:29] what is a pkg tool? [18:30] programming kde graphics tools === ubuntu_ is now known as Sander [18:30] dood no way [18:30] gandalf- when they're ready. I think it took about a week for the RC1 packages [18:31] Dragnslcr: actually not, the rc1 packages where there on the same day as the release, that's why i'm asking [18:31] Hello. How do I burn a disk image in Kubuntu? ty :) [18:32] adamonline45: give k3b a try [18:32] Okay. Do you know if it burns .cdr files as images? [18:33] I seem to recall it taking a while to get the RC1 packages together. I guess I could be thinking of the last beta [18:33] adamonline45: don't know, just try it [18:34] Dragnslcr: yes, there were slow with some betas, but the rc1 packages were fast. so let's hope we will have the rc2 packages soon, too [18:35] Hi, I'm having a hard time with my volume control... I need to adjust PCM but XF86RaiseVolume only controls headphone volume... how can I adjust this, or at least determine which program controls the OSD ? [18:35] how can i install a lexmark printer? [18:36] Lingard: Lexmark support is not great. http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/DatabaseIntro [18:37] Lingard: http://www.openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark [18:39] its a paperweight :) [18:39] lingard: Under System Settings/Printers is where you would add it if your printer existed in the Foomatic list, but if not, you will have to refer the the URL's I posted [18:39] Sorry, HP and some other vendors are supporting linux much more so. I checked before I bought mine. I was already a linux buff though. === RabbiTError is now known as NuclearWorm [18:40] lol [18:40] i've had all this running on windows for about 2 years [18:40] * nosrednaekim <3 printer-scanners [18:40] *HP printerscanners [18:41] is it possible to use an emulator to get it running? [18:41] Yeah I have a C5180 that is networked using the internal ethernet, it works great for printing and scanning under Gutsy. [18:41] HP. [18:42] lingard: You will probably have to check the forums and stuff. Otherwise you would have to run something like VMware and run a virtual machine and use it only from windowsif you cant find anything. [18:42] if i were to do that would i be able to use the printer as a network printer? [18:43] Not for linux likely. Drivers are usually printer specific unless the printer support postscript. I have some Ricoh Color Lasers here at work that are postscript and work well that way. [18:46] with the file sharing, when trying to access the files from a windows laptop it asks for a username and password, i've tried the logons for both machines and neither work [18:46] can I normally open .wmv files within Kubuntu? [18:46] or is that privilege reserved for Microshit? [18:47] sometimes you have to add domain\user literally type domainnameSLASHusername then password on the second line. [18:47] Not sure if you need it for a workgroup. [18:47] podr0znik: you may need the w32codecs [18:48] i've tried the computer name/username [18:48] I get to my workstation from my laptop with MCD\usernamehere then my password in the password box. [18:48] backslash [18:48] podr0znik: id you google on how to install the w32codecs in Ubuntu or Kubuntu you should be able to get that .wmv playing [18:48] if* [18:48] ok, thanks :) [18:48] thats what i meant :) [18:48] no probs :) [18:48] !w32codecs [18:48] The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages [18:49] or you could of course do that [18:49] You should be able to see the machine names from REMOTE PLACES/SAMBA SHARES if your networking is set up correctly. [18:50] lingard: Once you double click a machine Windows Authentication should ask for User pass. Thats when I suppy the domain\username then password [18:51] would the domain be the computer name? [18:51] Or workgroup. What version of Windows? [18:51] vista :) [18:53] If stayed back at XP. Normally right clicking on My Computer then Properties will present tabs. Normally a computer name option is present to show/change computer name and Workgroup or Domain. [18:53] I stayed. [18:53] i can access the windows files from here [18:53] but not the otherway round [18:54] when opening the networked computers i see this machine but it asks for the username and password [18:54] nothing seems to work in it === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [18:55] which is easier, an RPM install or a Tar one? [18:57] lingard, do you have shares working previous to trying linux to attach? [18:57] Could anybody recommend a p2p program? [18:57] windows based yes [18:57] GrahamA: Ktorrent [18:58] Captain_Haddock: Something like Limewire that isn't a bittorrent client. [18:58] lingard: Then you probably need to find the workgroup or domain name and use that for login per previous. Otherwise Im not sure whats missing. You can check Kubuntuforums [18:58] GrahamA: No idea. But I believe that there's an emule port that's supposed to be decent. [18:59] Captain_Haddock: I just don't want to use Limewire... I don't like it... === slack__ is now known as erererere [18:59] gnutella? [19:00] lingard: accessing a linux partition from Windows? [19:00] amule [19:00] GrahamA: not sure, sorry. It might have been amule or something. [19:00] linuxdc++, nicotine [19:00] it's an external hard drive i previously used with windows [19:01] i'm able to acces all the files on here though [19:02] Cheers [19:02] lingard: you're having issues accessing an external NTFS partition from Kubuntu? Connected to the same machine? [19:03] no no [19:03] heh [19:03] i can access it fine from kubuntu [19:03] i just can't access it remotely from windows [19:03] right [19:04] is the domain on kubuntu the same as workgroup with ms? [19:04] Have you set up the usernames via smbpasswd? [19:04] no? [19:04] try it - smbpasswd -a "username" [19:05] There should be plenty of guides about [19:06] why does kaffeine crash everytime i try encode audio? [19:07] what do i type for old smb password? [19:09] what is it with typing sudo before pretty much everything? [19:09] gives you root access to the system [19:10] or else any user on the computer can change the system settings [19:11] ok [19:13] whats a good kde mp3 ripper? [19:14] k3b [19:14] adamonline: where in k3b does it rip the mp3's? [19:14] Is anyone using kde4? Is it in a quality state or should I just hold my horses? [19:15] adamonline: kde4 is still a bit too buggy, nice to take for a test drive but thats as far as u should go [19:15] adamonline45- RC1 seemed pretty buggy when I tried it [19:15] sigma: When you start it, you see the large buttons onthe bottom? Click 'Further actions' then 'rip audio cd' [19:15] I've heard RC2 should be quite a bit better [19:16] sigma: If k3b doesn't work for you, you can try k9copy [19:16] Dragnslcr: Alright, I think I'll wait. They need better news on their site, or a developer blog 8) ty! [19:17] hi [19:17] hi [19:17] after you smbpasswd -a name you may like to smbpasswd -e name or do it in one shot, eg: smbpasswd -ae name [19:18] genii: out of curiosity, what's the e do [19:18] ? [19:18] adamonline45: It Enables the username after Adding it [19:19] Ahh interesting === nuu is now known as nu === nu is now known as nuu [19:22] adamonline45: k3b works but with ogg, mp3 gives a error [19:24] are there any video applications that look nice like amarok? [19:28] in the medibuntu repo there is a application called hot-babe, what exactly is this? [19:30] sigma: [19:30] Hot-babe is a small graphical utility which display the system activity [19:30] in a very special way. When the CPU is idle, it displays a dressed girl, [19:30] and when the activity goes up, as the temperature increases, the girl [19:30] begins to undress, to finish totally naked when the system activity [19:30] reaches 100%. Of course, if you can be shocked by nudity, don't use it! [19:30] oops [19:30] My apologies everyone [19:31] sigma :) wanted to thank you for your help last week, but I got busy suddenly and you were gone after that [19:31] lol why did that make its way to medibuntu? [19:31] podr0znik: my pleasure, it was with those windows fonts hey? [19:31] yes [19:31] and I will have more for sure, but not now ;) [19:31] have to pick up my woman [19:32] cu later [19:32] podr0znik: did u eventually fix it? [19:32] podr0znik: check u [19:32] yes, working [19:33] well thats good2hear [19:34] hello [19:34] hello there [19:35] I customized kicker a bit, now it's great...but there is one problem: If I login (auto login + screen lock) there is no kicker started....I have to do it manually...how come? [19:36] Do enyone know a guide of how i can install steam on my kubuntu compter? Sorry for bad English! [19:36] andreas_: whats steam? [19:37] how can i use the octave-forge .m files on octave [19:37] sigma: Im planing to install counter-strike, so then i most have steam first. [19:39] andreas_: is that a windows program? [19:39] I have shutdown.sh file (shutdown -h now), how to make a schrout to this file and what kind of permissions i need to shut down computer without any confirmation? [19:40] sigma: yes. [19:50] hai linux freaks amnesiac_h8ck3rs are in the house greetz to ya all [19:55] Enyone who knows how i can fix my sound on my Kubuntu Laptop? Its a dell inspiron! [19:55] Is there an official compiz channel? I tried compiz but I'm not sure that it's the right one. [19:56] with konquorer, what is the command to rip mp3's from audio cd? isn't something like: audiocd:/mp3 [19:56] andrewlin: #compiz-fusion === anders is now known as Athlon [19:58] mkz:thnx, try audio:/ [19:58] login [19:59] Anybody home ? [20:00] andrewlin: did that. I think I'm missing a lib for mp3 though [20:00] the syntax (from what I recall) would be audiocd:/mp3 [20:00] which is empty for me... [20:01] Does anyone know why my atheros/klipper/etc. icons from the taskbar are being displayed on my desktop as tiny application windows? I'd like them to stay in my taskbar... [20:01] mkz: I would TRY to give you more advice but this is only my third day using kubuntu and I was just giving info I had found worked for me, sorry [20:01] adamonline45: using compiz? [20:01] andrewlin: no worries. I've done it in the past. I'm sure I"m just missing a lib [20:02] fdoving: Yup! [20:02] adamonline45- yeah, Compiz does that sometimes [20:02] adamonline45: that's why, then. [20:02] any ideas to get them back to where they should be? [20:02] adamonline45- if you close them (klipper, etc.) and restart them, the icons should go back to the tray [20:03] I think it's only a problem when you switch to Compiz from kwin [20:03] neville__: hi there... how are things?? [20:03] Dragnslcr: Alright, sounds good! They always seem to migrate back down, eventually... But that'll work for now, ty :) [20:04] I hope KDE4's compositing is as shiny as Compiz [20:04] What's compositing, specifically? === _joe is now known as sond [20:05] If I remember correctly, the actual definition is that it uses hardware acceleration to do stuff like a 3D desktop environment [20:06] Usually it's easier to just define it as "that's what Compiz is" [20:06] haha, alright, cool 8) [20:07] From what I've heard, KDE4 is supposed to have a lot of the shiny eye candy that Compiz provides, but it'll be more stable, since it's built specifically for KDE [20:07] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/162233 - debdiff for gutsy. broken KURL-things. kdebug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150973 - it is reverted in kdesvn, not sure if it affect hardy or not, (don't have it anywhere). [20:07] Dragnslcr: thats the plan === saizai_ is now known as saizai [20:08] Dragnslcr: Is that what 'plasma's all about? [20:09] How can i enable 3D graphics in my kubuntu gusty? [20:10] I dunno, I think plasma is some kind of framework for making small desktop apps (clocks, weather info, stuff like that) [20:10] !plasma [20:10] Sorry, I don't know anything about plasma - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [20:10] usama: depends on your video card [20:10] plasma is like xdg [20:10] !xdg [20:10] Sorry, I don't know anything about xdg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [20:10] trappist: yes i have supported card, can you tell me the procedure? [20:10] a composit window manager with eyecandy al around it [20:11] haha... Well, I'm off to school... See y'all tonight 8) [20:11] usama: it doesn't just depend on whether your card is supported. it depends on your card. [20:11] its night here [20:11] at us it is 21h at the evening lol [20:12] what time do you have?? ACE2016 [20:12] trappist: can you give me any link to get help about enabling 3d effects? [20:12] 20:12 [20:13] usama: your first question was about 3d graphics, which is a prerequisite for 3d effects. do you know if you have 3d hardware acceleration? [20:13] Ace2016: thanks [20:13] actually, nm. [20:14] trappist: yes, FYI i have a 3d nvidia card [20:15] usama: hey, there we go. now, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager. then run 'compiz --replace' and see what happens. [20:15] mkz: If you try playing an mp3 using amarok it will automatically prompt you and install the appropriate libraries for you. [20:15] trappist: ok, thanks and will it be enabled permanently? [20:16] usama:yes [20:16] Captain_Haddock: I think I worked it out. I installed mpg321 and now Dolphin is happily converting to mp3... [20:16] usama: no, once you've got it working you'll need to take another step to make it permanent, like put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart [20:16] usama: check out fusion-icon if you want a taskbar icon interface... === georgiq_ is now known as georgiq111 [20:17] hey all - kafffeine froze on me - but it's nowhere to be SEEN on the desktop - I tried "kill"ing it in KSysGuard but it still won't open (the "wait" icon just bobs around for awhile then dissapears...) - any ideas short of a reboot? [20:17] hey guys, are you happy with KDE on ubuntu? [20:17] trappist: do i have to write "compiz -replace' in Autostart file? [20:17] works fine for you? [20:17] spykedtomato: find the task with ps and kill it there... open a terminal window, run something like ps aux | grep kaffeine and then kill the associated id;s [20:18] usama: it's "compiz --replace" (two dashes) and there's a little more to it than that [20:18] mkz - i thought of that just as you said it - worked (doh!) - thanks :) [20:18] spykedtomato: np! [20:18] mkz: hmm, whats this, can you explain it? [20:19] usama: if you do a .desktop file it's kinda complicated. if it's a script, the first line will be #!/bin/sh and the second line will be compiz --replace, and it must be set executable. [20:19] trappist: yeah i know how to write scripts [20:20] usama: ok :) didn't want to make that assumption [20:20] usama: fusion-icon is a utility you can use to run compiz and it will provide you with an icon on your taskbar to interface with it. I'd suggest heading to #compiz-fusion and typing !fusion-icon. The factoid will give you directions for how to download the source from git and compile it. Once compiles you can create a script in .kde/Autostart to launch it.... [20:20] s/compiles/compiled [20:20] mkz: thanks a lot :) [20:21] trappist: thanks :) [20:21] usama: I've been using fusion-icon for the last 6+ months and it works brilliantly [20:21] ooh, I like fusion-icon === georgiq111 is now known as ox000r00 [20:23] thanks to fusion-icon, I now know I'm running kde-window-decorator, when all this time I thought I was running emerald and wondering why my emerald theme changes didn't have any effect [20:25] how do i install something thats .tar.gz? [20:25] lingard: depends on what it is. tar.gz is an archive, like zip is. you have to extract the contents in most cases [20:26] lingard: you untar it (tar zxf filename.tar.gz), cd to the created directory, and follow included instructions [20:26] lingard: that's if you absolutely must install from source - odds are there's a package for it, and if so you should definitely use that instead. === ox000r00 is now known as root [20:28] kde4 = the roxor === root is now known as \dev\hda1 [20:30] nickserv set kill on [20:30] its VMware [20:31] lingard: vmware is in the repos [20:31] lingard: vmware is tricky. it's not very likely to work out of the box. but inside that tarball is an install script. [20:31] and, what ScorpKing said. [20:31] except, it's just the player that's in the repos, right? [20:31] what do i do with the install script? [20:31] do i read it or do something with it [20:32] lingard: if you're up to the challenge, you run it. but it's going to ask questions you won't know the answers to, and it will probably fail anyway. if all you need is the player, install from the package repositories. [20:33] sudo aptitude search vmware [20:34] except you don't need sudo to do aptitude search :) [20:34] how did you learn about all this? [20:35] lingard: you learn this stuff a little bit at a time, by needing to do something, and asking google how to do it [20:35] what is the command to do the reverse resoluton of an IP address to a name? [20:35] read the howto's and man pages [20:35] when i google things it comes up with a load of things to type [20:36] alesan: try 'host' [20:36] lingard: google fu must also be learned :) [20:36] thanks [20:36] google fu? [20:36] google skills. [20:37] ohhh [20:37] is vmware the best windows emulator? [20:37] lingard: it depends on what you want to do [20:37] lingard: this is usefull - http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz [20:37] or, what app(s) you want to run [20:38] can someone run me through installing stepmania [20:38] firstly i want to get the use of my printer back [20:38] lingard: then vmware/wine/whatever isn't the solution you're looking for [20:39] I can *almost* guarantee your printer is supported. [20:39] its a lexmark X1190 :) [20:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkMultifuncPrinters [20:40] LOOK at the google FU!!!!1!! [20:40] whats udev? [20:40] it's a virtual filesystem. you don't need to know the gory details just yet. === drif_ is now known as drif [20:41] lingard: http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-x1190 [20:41] I'm having an issue converting to .ogg in soundKonvertor, it seems to just stop after it tries to encode them but doesn't start... [20:41] trappist: Actually, it's the device manager: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev [20:42] when i go to http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/ there's a whole list of file names [20:42] jhutchins: in this context it's compared against devfs, the other (deprecated) virtual filesystem for devices. [20:42] GrahamA: start soundkonverter from konsole. it should display some errors [20:42] can someone walk me thru installing stepmania === smcintyre is now known as DaSkreech [20:42] trappist: Well, for that matter, everything in linux is a file or filesystem, but ok. [20:43] !info stepmainia [20:43] Package stepmainia does not exist in gutsy [20:43] !find stepmania [20:43] Package/file stepmania does not exist in gutsy [20:43] ScorpKing: Giving it a few seconds. [20:44] scooter_: Doesn't look like it's a kubuntu project - why would we know anything about it? [20:45] ScorpKing: *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/oggenc: double free or corruption (out): 0x0809f350 *** [20:45] I don't think that's exactly the issue... [20:45] GrahamA: hope you find the problem. [20:46] is there a simple way to install packages, like with windows? [20:47] lingard: Actually, in linux it's much simpler, because the distros usually have volunteer repositories that have all the packages available. You don't have to go hunt them down. [20:47] lingard: I recommend this if you have time: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement [20:47] lingard: From the command line it's as simple as 'sudo aptitude install '. [20:48] ScorpKing: I think I need a better mp3 decoder [20:48] lingard: There are also GUI's that let you browse and install available packages, you just click and choose and they're downloade and installed, along with any required libraries or support packages. [20:48] lingard: you can also have a look at the help entry you will find in your Kmenu. [20:48] !repos | lingard [20:48] lingard: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu [20:48] what is the best tool to dump all network activity of a specific program? [20:49] alesan: there are a few. one is ethereal i think [20:49] not too sure though [20:49] ok [20:51] synaptic is good? [20:51] alesan: I don't think they do it by program though. BTW the open-source version of ethereal has been renamed, i forget to what. [20:51] alesan: it's known as wireshark now. === meduxa is now known as toscalix [20:51] lingard: Try it and see. [20:51] lingard: Adept for KDE [20:51] Synaptic for Gnome [20:52] But it works in KDE too . [20:52] whats the difference between the two? [20:52] lingard: IMHO, synaptic is faster and easier to search [20:53] They're both frontends for apt - a command line utility. [20:53] Yeah [20:54] hello all [20:54] lingard: What I like in Synpatic is that it has an install history (I'm not sure if Adept has it meanwhile, though). I also find it easier to use than Adept. But best try both. [20:54] is anyone use Project Looking Glass?> [20:55] i've installed synaptic and done a search for vmware but its come up with a few different files [20:55] which do i need? [20:56] lingard: read the descriptions and find out. [20:57] lingard: Do yourself a favour. In synaptic, click Setings > Preferences.. then tick the Show package properties.. checkbox. That will aid in showing a description of packages [20:58] lingard: you might also want to look into Xen - a FOSS equivalent of vmware. [21:00] i'm looking forward to the day i get the hang of kubuntu [21:00] lingard: it's worth the initial learning curve :) [21:00] oh lord yes [21:01] a year ago, i was daunted by simple tasks (fstab and other mounting issues bothered me the most), now everything is much much easier to me [21:02] what on earth is fstab? [21:02] see? [21:02] the good news is that over the past couple releases, fstab is something most people no longer have to worry about [21:03] s/is/has become [21:03] i don't have a clue what any of this means :) [21:03] true [21:04] !fstab [21:04] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [21:04] lingard: the best advice i can give you is to hang out here as much as you can [21:04] i thought i was good(ish) with computers until i installed this [21:04] lingard: windows power user? [21:04] and i'm not using that term in a negative way [21:05] * Captain_Haddock is a power windows user :P === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu to: Official Kubuntu support | Upgrade instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Offtopic in #kubuntu-offtopic please | KDE 4.0 RC2 Package & LiveCD http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php | Tutorials Day on thursday https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [21:05] lol [21:05] woo :-p [21:05] RC 2 out (mostly) http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php [21:05] cheers Riddell and all :-) [21:05] let me know if there's problems [21:05] lingard: you'll have the hardest time adjusting, but don't give up :) there are a lot of habits to break [21:06] Thanks Riddell [21:06] Cheers Riddell [21:06] like typing, there's lots more of it on here [21:06] even without me asking for help :) [21:06] Riddell: May I pm you real quick? [21:07] lingard: most of it hardware configuration related, I'm assuming ... [21:07] had a few issues trying to get adept working [21:08] my hardware seems to be fine, all but my printer anyway [21:11] so there's no need to move the xsessions files and all that stuff for RC2, like with the previous releases then? [21:12] How does one configure "alsa" without alsaconf? [21:13] and no need for the "export" lines in startkde? === jack is now known as jackolas [21:14] Black_Monkey: it would appear so. pretty nice, i think [21:14] cool :-) [21:14] just though I'd check that actually don't need to... [21:14] *that you [21:14] RC2 worth checking out? [21:16] How do you get kde 4 to start in xypher? [21:16] All I get is another instance of kde 3 [21:16] Dragnslcr: dunno, riddell *just* announced it [21:16] installing now, though [21:17] 52mb for the icon pack? [21:17] lol [21:17] :( === agsm is now known as mlurkan === mlurkan is now known as lurkan [21:18] can you do a remote desktop on this? [21:19] Looks like the kdm integration is getting better with RC2 [21:19] Lot fewer steps to install it [21:20] lingard: you can, but i don't know exactly how, never done it myself [21:21] lingard- what do you mean by "this"? [21:21] lingard: More than one way, including controlling a windows system. [21:21] sorry, kubuntu [21:22] and what does bash: -: command not found mean? [21:22] lingard- you want to connect to a remote desktop, or connect to your computer from somewhere else? [21:22] it means - isn't a command [21:23] i want to know if i can remote this session from a windows machine [21:23] lingard: open up synaptic and search for "remote desktop" ? [21:24] lingard- I use x11vnc, though it's a bit of pain to setup. I'm not sure if there's anything easier to work with [21:24] Dragnslcr: krdc [21:24] KMenu -> Internet -> ... [21:25] There's also a desktop sharing option. [21:25] krdc includes a VNC server now? [21:25] it does [21:25] I use it [21:25] Bah kde4 didn't ACTUALLY install [21:25] >:| [21:26] !kde4 [21:26] KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see . The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php [21:26] Is there a recommended screenshots link for KDE 4? [21:26] I don't see anything in krdc about it being a server [21:27] Captain_Haddock: Offical or unofficial? [21:27] Oh gee sites I have been to at least 40 times [21:27] Dragnslcr: I think that's krfb or something. [21:27] The help window even has this in bold print: "Remote Desktop Connection is a client application that allows you to view or even control the desktop session on another machine that is running a compatible (VNC) server." [21:27] SSJ_GZ: both I suppose :P [21:27] Captain_Haddock: http://www.jarzebski.pl/read/kde-4-rev-744444.so is a nice unofficial site. [21:28] Gracias [21:28] Hm, I had forgotten about krfb. I think there was something wrong with it the last time I tried [21:28] Can't remember what exactly though [21:28] Maybe it didn't allow uninvited connections [21:30] how do you install perl SOAP::Lite module? [21:30] I tried to boot RC2, but it just showed me the splash screen and went back to kdm :/ [21:30] Riddell: you still around? === Daisuke-Ido is now known as Daisuke_Ido [21:32] http://pastebin.ca/812556 <- probably not a good thing [21:33] can you record a stream through vlc? [21:33] yes [21:33] woo, i now have a working printer!!! :D [21:33] what is the installation candidate for perl SOAP::Lite [21:33] jackolas: how? [21:34] KDE4 rc2 is out now! w00t! :) [21:34] f00f: if it works for you [21:34] though the blue doesn't seem to work [21:34] Daisuke_Ido: don't know.. I'm going to wait until it's released. [21:35] I tried rc1 and it was a trainwreck. === kde4 is now known as buz_kde4 [21:36] Is it possible to edit the list of fortunes for /fortune in Konversation? [21:37] Ganondork: as far as i know, it uses the default fortunes file [21:37] which are located where? [21:38] /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes [21:38] i shall return i hope [21:39] hi [21:39] sorted. why is the print quality much better with kubuntu that it was with windows? [21:39] Because Windows sux0rz [21:40] Sorry, couldn't resist [21:40] lol [21:40] * Dragnslcr goes back to the corner [21:40] hehe [21:41] where does Konversation look for script files? [21:41] hmm [21:42] Ganondork: ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts and /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts [21:42] thanks [21:42] kubuntu-fr [21:42] please [21:43] open #kubuntu-fr [21:45] ugh [21:45] omfg [21:45] I'm gonna have to do this in a terminal [21:45] copy paste is so fucked up [21:45] :( [21:45] !language [21:45] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [21:45] !language [21:45] whoa [21:45] got to it before i could [21:45] This is no solution to a desktop. [21:45] >:| [21:46] what's wrong with the copy and paste? [21:46] I'm pretty ready to drop linux and go with bsd [21:46] bah, network went down for a while here [21:46] hey genii [21:46] !shutup [21:46] Sorry, I don't know anything about shutup - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [21:46] darn [21:46] !botabuse > Ganondork [21:46] I can't even copy from konquorer [21:46] * genii slides NickPresta a coffee [21:47] This is just annoying and not worth the hastle any more [21:47] jackolas, what seems to be the problem? [21:47] do what you like, but don't blame the OS when it's PEBKAC [21:47] When right click for copy paste does not seem to work, try Ctrl+insert (Copy) Shft +Insert (paste) [21:48] Sometimes it works. [21:48] First klipper crashes my system now this [21:48] now to try this again [21:48] jackolas, how did Klipper crash your system? [21:48] stdin: how do I copy the fortune script file from that folder to my desktop? [21:49] NickPresta: My system used ot crash 5 times a day [21:49] when [21:49] *I turned off klipper is was completely stable [21:49] jackolas, what were you doing that made your system so unstable? [21:49] Ganondork: go there in konqueror or dolphin and copy it [21:49] and no ctrl + insert and shift insert aren't working ethier [21:49] stdin: It wont work [21:49] It needs me to be root [21:49] is there a way to atomatically log in on here? [21:49] Ganondork: to copy to where [21:49] ? [21:50] my desktop [21:50] I want to make a file based on that one [21:50] just change somke values [21:50] :-S tried installing kdm-kde4, but I still can't log into RC2... anyone have any idea why? [21:50] Ganondork: it shouldn't need you to be root to copy it to your desktop [21:50] And who setup stirgi to install? [21:50] I REALLY detest that [21:51] jackolas: stop whining already [21:51] it wont copy [21:51] if you don't like it, remove it [21:51] Black_Monkey: because it's slightly broken, and we're fixing it [21:51] * jackolas goes to sudo rm -rf / [21:51] PLEASE [21:51] ah ok, thanks. :-) [21:51] Is there anyway to make photoshop work for Kubuntu?? [21:51] Black_Monkey: kde4 dropping back to kdm? [21:51] yeah [21:51] k, i'm not the only one then :) [21:52] Ganondork: Are you saying you need to be root to copy a file to your desktop? [21:52] kde feels weird now, been using gnome so much [21:52] saizai: that's always good to know >_> [21:52] * Daisuke_Ido [21:53] I have Photoshop CS installed through wine, but everytime it starts it closes automatically. [21:53] trillis: #winehq is the wine support channel [21:53] trillis: have you checked the winehq app database? [21:53] or that [21:53] Nope. [21:53] afaik, photoshop cs does not work. [21:54] I heard it was just CS2/3. [21:54] so [21:54] i compiled libgpod v0.6 which is what's needed to copy songs to the new ipod nano [21:55] but how can i tell if amarok is actually utilize that version of libgpod? [21:56] Useless techsupport from wine :( [21:56] http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=1815 <- trillis, like i said, check wine's application database. [21:59] ! hardy heron [21:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about hardy heron - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [21:59] hi someone is expert of kommander i cannot understand why this icon is nice added http://a.imagehost.org/view/0068/00000000000000000005.png instead these no http://a.imagehost.org/view/0068/00000000000000000002.png [21:59] Why is that telling me it works fine? [22:00] trillis: *read it* [22:00] don't look at the pretty colours and think "oh, it should work", there may be some things you have to do to GET it working properly [22:02] * Daisuke_Ido goes to get a beer === kde4 is now known as buz_kde4 [22:09] how wud i go bout changing dolphin to the konquerer? [22:10] !dolpin [22:10] Sorry, I don't know anything about dolpin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [22:10] !dolphin [22:10] Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin. [22:10] dreamcoder: ^^ [22:10] thank you [22:10] yw [22:13] is there still no way to get flash and java to work on 64bit firefox ? [22:13] can someone help me install skype? [22:13] scooter_: sudo apt-get install skype [22:13] yea that doenst work [22:14] i tried it already [22:14] scooter_: Which release of kubuntu are you on? [22:14] 7.10 [22:14] gusty [22:14] and why doesn't that command work? It's in the repos [22:14] !info skype [22:14] it says it cant find the package [22:14] Package skype does not exist in gutsy [22:15] it's not in the main repos, it's may be in partner [22:15] so now how do i install it if that doesnt work [22:15] scooter_: My bad, it's in the medibuntu repo [22:15] !medibuntu | scooter_ [22:15] scooter_: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [22:15] should kjobviewer start automatically when printing something?!! === MetaMorfoziS is now known as metaway [22:16] stdin: Thank you for that :) [22:16] i mean shouldn't kjobviewer start automatically when printing something?! [22:17] Help I oppsed, I am out of space in ROOT, is there any way of get more space into it (short of repartition and reinstall)? I have plenty of space on the disk [22:25] can anyone help me get the sound working ? [22:25] anyone here [22:25] xyvuoeua: as a warning, if you try doing what you did in #kde, you'll be gone [22:26] besides that is anyone here that can help me ? :) [22:29] !sound [22:29] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [22:31] anyone playing with kde4 in here? [22:32] anyone even here? [22:32] bah [22:35] how do you edit your PATH [22:36] PROBLEM: My wired inet/eth works on livecd sessions, but not in my Installed ubuntu 7.10 [22:36] kubunt 7.10* [22:39] kingzar: install wicd [22:39] Hello everyone. I'm trying to use splashy instead of usplash. When I try to uninstall usplash in Adept it says it'll uninstall "kubuntu-desktop". Is it okay to do this? [22:39] !splashy [22:39] To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork [22:39] try: sudo aptitude install wicd [22:40] Ertain: you can, but you'll need it installed when it's time to upgrade to the next version [22:41] Right-o then. === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [22:42] how can i autorun a ruby script at startup? run as root. [22:43] put the command to run it in /etc/rc.local [22:43] !fstab [22:43] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [22:44] does ffmpeg in the medibuntu repo contain the sound codec for 3gp? [22:45] or do i have to build it myself [22:45] stdin: thanks :) [22:45] Is there an applet for kicker that holds icons for all open apps but can scroll them instead of taking up the entire taskbar? [22:46] does anyone know the location of the PATH file [22:47] grr my internet is soo slow. Irc aint too bad, nor is MSN, but the internet is dreadfull. Even torrents work fully Weirdest thing is, GMail works. Any ideas why? [22:47] jac0b: use use "export PATH=..." in your ~/.bashrc [22:47] jac0b: PATH file? maybe you want echo $PATH [22:48] xcell.... we r "w.o.n.f " live from the national forest........... in florida [22:48] I need to edit my PATH [22:49] jac0b: yes, that's how you do it [22:49] ya [22:49] jac0b: "export PATH=/my/new/path:$PATH" for example [22:49] ardchoille: I googled it..it should be in kd4 [22:49] will that stay permently [22:49] dialed up in 4.7142 sec,s [22:49] jac0b: My .bashrc has this line at the end: PATH=$PATH:~/bin [22:50] nice [22:50] jac0b: I added ~/.bin to my path with that [22:50] #kubuntu-offtopic [22:50] where do i find the list of rooms ?? [22:50] !channels [22:50] A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines [22:51] use (buddies)>enter join chat [22:53] if I do "export $PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" it removes everything else. I just want to append /usr/local/arm-elf/bin [22:53] to the rest of my PATH [22:53] jac0b: read what we said, it's not "$PATH=" it's "PATH=" [22:54] and you need to put add $PATH to it [22:54] okay [22:54] jac0b: "export PATH=/my/new/path:$PATH" for example [22:55] stdin: Well, he now needs to fix his $PATH, doesn't he? [22:56] ardchoille: a logout/in will sort that, after he fixes the line [22:56] stdin: Ah, right [22:56] easier than copying by hand [22:56] how do you add that permently if I close term that PATH is gone now [22:57] jac0b: add the line to your ~/.bashrc file [22:57] just add it to the end of the file [22:58] i followed the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php [22:58] but i cant login into kde4 [22:58] bdgraue: goes back to kdm? [22:58] so would I add to the file "PATH=/my/new/path$PATH" [22:58] Black_Monkey: yes [22:58] bdgraue: because it's slightly broken, and we're fixing it [22:58] jac0b: no [22:59] jac0b: almost, you use ':' as a separator [22:59] jac0b: so put a : before $PATH [22:59] jac0b: PATH=/my/new/path:$PATH [23:00] is there something i can do to help fixing the problem with kde4 rc2? [23:01] bdgraue: we know what the problem is, you can fix it yourself too, just edit /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and change line 3 from "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:ATH" to "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH" [23:02] stdin: ok, will do that [23:02] stdin: nasty typo, that [23:02] hi [23:02] ardchoille: funny thing is, it's not a typo :p [23:02] thanks for the help that fixed it [23:02] ardchoille: just mixing bash and make variables is odd [23:02] stdin: Now I'm confused [23:02] Ah, ok [23:03] can i install windows programs using wine? === zeEez is now known as joek [23:04] ardchoille: in the Makefile there is "echo export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH >> debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde", but make interpreters $P as a variable, go figure :p [23:04] !wine | lingard [23:04] lingard: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility. [23:05] hey, I'm trying to install the kde4 RC2 packages that were just released, but getting an error with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 - can anyone help me out or point me in the right direction to get help? [23:05] Ch1ppy: pastebin the error so we know what it is [23:06] hey, how can I know what kind of RAM do I have? [23:06] stdin: Ah, interesting [23:06] without looking at it physically :-) [23:06] stdin: http://pastebin.com/m7634c960 [23:07] Ch1ppy: make sure you run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" first [23:07] hmm, changing th ATH to PATH and the same problem here [23:07] stdin: Interesting that make would do that since there is no space between "P" and "A" [23:08] stdin: that now gives me an error about not having kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 installed :S [23:08] Ch1ppy: try removing kdelibs5, then dist-upgrade, then install the kde4 packages [23:08] ardchoille: yeah, make is a strange one [23:09] stdin: removing kdelibs5 gives a number of errors about unment dependencies [23:10] Ch1ppy: ok, try "sudo apt-get remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime" [23:10] Anyone know why when ive pinged google and wikipedia, no website except GMail, my homepage, works? [23:10] stdin: there's a few packages that still give me unmet dependencies - should I add those onto the end of the list? [23:11] yeah, you get the idea :) [23:11] stdin: alrighty :) [23:12] PROBLEM: My wired inet/eth works on livecd sessions, but not in my Installed ubuntu 7.10 [23:13] necesito ayuda [23:13] !!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [23:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about 1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [23:14] alguien que me ayude estoy instalando [23:14] i need hep please [23:14] help [23:15] !es [23:15] Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. [23:15] !nl [23:15] Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl [23:15] stdin: thank you sir, that worked like a charm [23:16] Ch1ppy: I'll have to get Riddell to add that to the announcement [23:16] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47889/ [23:16] PROBLEM: My wired inet/eth works on livecd sessions, but not in my Installed ubuntu 7.10 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47889/ [23:19] is there a way round putting your password in every time you start adept? [23:21] yes [23:21] add a line to /etc/sudoers [23:21] how do i do that? [23:22] i click the file and it comes up with the open with [23:24] anyone? [23:24] hey, how can I know what kind of RAM do I have? [23:26] Schuenemann- if your motherboard is less than two years old, most likely DDR2 [23:27] I think it's DDR [23:27] but how about the frequency? [23:28] I don't want to open the computer to see that [23:28] I dunno offhand [23:28] windoze has some programs that show those kind of info [23:30] everest is the name [23:31] hi [23:31] Schuenemann- sudo lshw [23:31] It'll be near the top [23:31] I'm trying to install the Kubuntu KDE 4 RC2 packages, but I keep getting this error: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin . Has anyone succeeded in installing these packages? [23:32] Dragnslcr, cool [23:32] description: DIMM DDR Synchronous 333 MHz (3.0 ns) [23:33] it sucks [23:35] maxo: remove all the kde4 packages "sudo apt-get remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime" (add other packages it complains about to the end), then do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and then install the kde4 packages [23:38] stdin: thanks for the new packages! with kde4 as my main desktop... this should be very helpful :D [23:38] stdin: will I still have both kde3 and kde4 installed? [23:38] stdin, remember there is a factoid? [23:38] Hi at all, ive got a little problem with my hercules webcam classic, its installed, but i cant see any picture with skype and cheese^^ [23:38] could somebody help me please? [23:38] LjL: there's another step to it now :p [23:38] maxo: yes [23:38] maxo: yes [23:39] stdin: BTW, good job on integrating it into kdm... that was the killer step. [23:39] stdin: ok great, and thanks for the packages :-) [23:39] stdin: just out of interest, what does apt-get dist-upgrade do then? [23:40] maxo: it installs a new revision of kdebase (kde3) that's packages slightly differently to work with kde4 [23:40] stdin: ah, ok [23:40] clever stuff [23:41] stdin: might want to add that info to the wiki, nothing about dist-upgrade there.... [23:41] stdin: and is it normal for it to run 'update-initramfs' ? [23:42] nosrednaekim: I told Riddell about it, he's the only one who can update the announcement page [23:42] ok [23:43] maxo: yeah, there are probably a couple other updates in there besides kdebase [23:43] stdin: in where? is this like a bleeding edge repository of new kubuntu stuff? [23:43] I mean other than KDE? [23:43] maxo: no, I mean other "official" updates :) [23:44] maxo: no... but its probably also getting some sort of kernel updates or such from the main repositories [23:44] nosrednaekim: ah ok [23:44] maxo: all these packages in the PPA will eventually be in gutsy-backports anyway [23:45] I just did a clean install of Kubuntu 7.10 into VMware, and all the 'start' menu items are like ':_ Entries in K-menu'... [23:45] whaat gives? [23:45] *what [23:46] stdin: also do I need to make changes in order to start a KDE 4 session? Because I'm getting error messages like 'xsetroot not found' when trying to [23:46] maxo: well, that's a small bug :p we're fixing it but you can do it manually too [23:46] just edit /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and change line 3 from "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:ATH" to "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH" [23:47] heh.. [23:47] * nosrednaekim will remember that. [23:47] Titanous, yes that will change once you use the apps and reboot into a new session [23:47] stdin: k a typo lol [23:47] BluesKaj: use try out RC2 yet? [23:47] maxo: not exactly [23:47] seems to be a bit easier to install than RC1 [23:48] maxo: a "make does strange things to bash variables"-o [23:48] RC2 KDE4 ? [23:48] is anybody able to help me with my webcam please? [23:48] I hate to ask this, since it's probably been asked, but my kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is conflicting with kdebase-bin on /usr/bin/kwriteconfig during kde4rc2 install... [23:49] BluesKaj: yes [23:49] !brokenkde4 | afrol [23:49] afrol: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal. [23:49] * stdin thinks this is going to be a lonnnnng night... [23:49] nosrednaekim, don't think i'm gonna bother unless there's some changes worth using [23:49] Anyone know how to install flash on a 64bit computer? [23:49] !flash64 [23:49] You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava [23:50] stdin: thanks [23:50] stdin: heh, best of luck on the "long night" and thanks for the help =) [23:51] hi there [23:51] just realized powernowd was restricting my cpu speed ...this is a pc not a laptop ...I want and nedd the 2Ghz ! :) [23:51] stdin: ok got it running, thanks :-) [23:53] everything loads soooomuch faster now , and I was blaming ipv6 and cpufreq-utils/powernowd ...dumped them both [23:56] has anybody an idea, why my webcam doesnt work? lence ist open, light is on, and ists correctliy pluged in...... [23:56] BluesKaj: what did you change? [23:57] * BluesKaj wonders why kubuntu 64bit didn't recognize the machine as a pc [23:58] maxo, I had powernowsd and cpufre-utils installed thinking they'd worj, but no lucj so i uninstalled both [23:58] worj=work , lucj=luck [23:59] Picture here: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png [23:59] How do I fix this? [23:59] powernowd, cpufreq-utils , maxo ...s'cuse my sloppiness on the KB :)