[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #175448 in launchpad "RSS icon in FF url bar although no announcement is published yet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175448
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[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175470 in launchpad "Make an announcement feature available for teams also" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175470
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175471 in launchpad "Redesign "At specific date and time" option from the new Make an announcement feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175471
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #175479 in blueprint "One page for editing blueprint status and related info" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175479
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #175478 in launchpad "RSS Problems: Edit, Links, Second announcement, New lines " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175478
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175482 in launchpad "RSS Problems: Project link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175482
[07:22] <gQuig1> is this where I should post for guidance with getting a blueprint accepted?   (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/no-mono-by-default)  Need to know what to do next
[07:23] <Fujitsu> gQuig1: #ubuntu-devel is likely better.
[07:23] <Fujitsu> However, the chance of having that blueprint acted on is rather slim indeed.
[07:23] <gQuig1> Fujitsu: that's ok, thanks
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[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #175492 in launchpad-bazaar "poor positioning of Bazaar on "upstream source details"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175492
[09:21] <mrevell> Morning Launchpadders!
[09:22] <Fujitsu> Hey mrevell.
[09:22] <mrevell> hey :)
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[10:58] <Hobbsee> belated morning mrevell 
[10:58] <mrevell> yo Hobbsee
[11:00] <Hobbsee> how goes it?
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #175523 in launchpad "Wrong link in ATOM feed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175523
[11:35] <soren> If I have a project on sourceforge, I want to move to launchpad (code is already done, so I guess it's just bug import), who do I ask? 
[11:36] <BjornT> soren: jamesh would be a good person to talk to
[11:37] <jamesh> hi Soren.  What project is it?
[11:37] <soren> libmms
[11:38] <soren> I've been negelcting it bigtime, because I'm fed up with sourceforge and *shudder* cvs.
[11:41] <soren> jamesh: We'll want to do a new release from sourceforge before the move, so not quite yet, but probably before christmas.
[11:41] <Peng> They're that bad?
[11:41] <soren> Who? Sourceforge?
[11:41] <Fujitsu> SF is shocking, really.
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Malone is like heaven compared to it.
[11:42]  * ddaa gives soren hug
[11:42] <ddaa> it's goin to be okay, cvs is not gonna hurt you anymore
[11:42] <soren> It's slow, the bug tracker is a complete and utter nightmare, and it forces me to use cvs (or svn, but the difference is really only that big).
[11:42]  * soren cries at ddaa's shoulder
[11:43] <Fujitsu> SVN is much better than CVS, but still not terrific...
[11:43] <soren> Fujitsu: svn never really impressed me much compared to cvs. I find the improvements to be skin deep.
[11:44] <soren> There are still people today who switch from cvs to svn.. I just don't get it.
[11:44] <ddaa> it's a bit unfair to call atomic commit, and branches that perform sanely "skin deep"
[11:45] <ddaa> to checkout a branch in cvs data model, you need to start from the HEAD, walk down to the branch point applying delta in reverse, then walk up to branch tip applying deltas forward
[11:45] <Fujitsu> Sounds lovely.
[11:46] <soren> I wouldn't refer to svn's approach to branches as "sane".
[11:46] <ddaa> the performance is sane
[11:47] <jamesh> soren: is there any particular reason you want to wait before migrating?
[11:47] <ddaa> but really, the main killer reason to switch  to svn from cvs is atomic commits
[11:48] <jamesh> ddaa: current versions of cvs have atomic commits
[11:48] <soren> jamesh: Another contributor really, really wanted to get a new release out the door real soon, so not forcing him to learn new tools to do so at this point would be a good thing.
[11:48] <jamesh> soren: ah.
[11:48] <ddaa> jamesh: I'm curious about the extent to which it actually work
[11:48] <ddaa> I know they do record commit ids
[11:48] <jamesh> soren: I can perform an import on our demo server tomorrow if that'd help
[11:48] <ddaa> but that not nearly enough
[11:49] <jamesh> (we generally do that before migrations anyway, to make sure everything works)
[11:49] <soren> jamesh: If it's not a lot of trouble, that could be cool. We could see if everything worked out and then do the real move in a week or two?
[11:49] <jamesh> okay
[11:49] <soren> "demo server" == staging?
[11:49] <soren> dogfood?
[11:50] <jamesh> soren: nope.  "demo server" == https://demo.launchpad.net/
[11:50] <jamesh> the staging database gets wiped every day, so isn't so good for demos
[11:50] <soren> Hm.. I don't think I've seen that before.
[11:51] <jamesh> and dogfood is really the soyuz guys' sandbox
[11:51] <soren> Yes, that's what I thought :) I just hadn't heard of demo.lp.net before.
[11:51] <soren> If I did, I forgot.
[11:52] <jamesh> it isn't something we advertise
[11:52] <soren> Sure.
[11:53] <soren> jamesh: Ok, so you'll ping me at some point when you've done your magic? There's no rush right now.
[11:53] <jamesh> yep
[11:53] <jamesh> looks like there's hardly any bugs, so it should be really quick
[11:53] <soren> Yeah, surely <50. Probably <20, too :)
[11:54] <jamesh> there are 9
[11:54] <soren> *g*.
[11:55] <jamesh> soren: one thing that'd be worth doing before the migration is to add your shawarma@users.sourceforge.net email to your Launchpad account
[11:55] <soren> jamesh: Will do.
[11:55] <jamesh> it is possible to merge the duplicate person afterwards, but this saves the hassle
[11:56] <soren> Sure. I'm on it.
[11:57] <soren> Done.
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[12:33] <DaveMorris> Hi can someone clear out my ppa.  I asked a question on LP as i was asked to beforehand but it's yet to be done.  https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/19656
[12:39] <DaveMorris> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/19656 (for non beta users)
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[13:25] <jelmer> ~/window goto #ctrlproxy
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175545 in malone "BugLinkTargetMixin.linkBug() and unlinkBug() should take a user parameter" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175545
[13:25] <jelmer> argh
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[15:15] <andika> hi all, how do I *delete* entries in https://edge.launchpad.net/blankon/+packages ?
[15:17] <andika> seems that I misunderstood that feature
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[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #175231 in ubuntu "Update Manager Failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175231
[19:01] <gspr> I have a question regarding packaging versioning, but I'll ask it here since it specifically relates to a PPA package. Say I take a Debian package foo-1.2.3-1 and make a slight modification to the source. Should I call it foo-1.2.3-1-ubuntu1~ppa1? Or foo-1.2.3-1~ppa1? Or neither? I know it doesn't matter, but I'd like to follow the proper conventions.
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #175688 in launchpad "cannot edit launchpad rss project announcement" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175688
[19:51] <statik> hi CharliePoole
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[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175690 in rosetta "The % does not match in adduser package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175690
[20:17] <bullgard4> "detlef@MD97600:/$ gdb gnome-search-tool 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-gnome-search-tool.txt" obtains http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/20133/ but the file is not closed. Why?
[20:20] <dennda> bullgard4: are you sure this is a launchpad issue? Launchpad is the *software* that runs launchpad.net
[20:22] <bullgard4> dennda: I am preparing an error report for Launchpad.  
[20:23] <dennda> ah well, I think you are wrong here then. You would come here if launchpad *itself* had a bug. That is, if launchpad.net was not loading for some reason or something like that
[20:24] <bullgard4> dennda: I see. I beg your pardon for being mistaken.
[20:24] <dennda> Nevermind. No problem. (Actually I was the one who pointed you here, after all ;))
[20:51] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/hardy/+source/valgrind/1:3.2.3-3ubuntu2   firefox says "Redirect Loop: Redirection limit for this URL exceeded.  Unable to load the requested page.  This may be caused by cookies that are blocked."
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[20:51] <Ubulette> that url comes from a RSS feed
[20:55] <Ubulette> initial url is s/^edge\.//
[20:58] <Fujitsu> Ubulette: Remove the /distros. I filed that bug month sago.
[20:58] <Fujitsu> Which feed.
[20:59] <Fujitsu> *?
[20:59] <Fujitsu> Ubulette: Bug #131478
[20:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131478 in soyuz "Epoched DistroSourcePackageReleases redirect eternally if using a /distros URL" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131478
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #175702 in malone "Don't exclude incomplete bugs without comments from expiration" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175702
[21:02] <Fujitsu> BjornT: So it's coming back for 1.1.12?
[21:03] <BjornT> Fujitsu: well, sort of. it will be turned on partly, meaning that we will display notices in the ui, and provide a report of bug reports that are marked for expiration.
[21:03] <BjornT> Fujitsu: we won't actually expire any bugs, though. we want to see how it works, and give people a chance of cleaning up the bugs first.
[21:04] <Fujitsu> Ah, that sounds good.
[21:04] <Fujitsu> Much, much better than the way it was done last time..
[21:05] <BjornT> yes, the last time was a mistake. we didn't think it would have such an impact, but we learn from our mistakes.
[21:08] <Ubulette> Fujitsu, http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/hardy.xml
[21:09] <Fujitsu> BjornT: So I noticed :)
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #175707 in malone "Change notification about expiration to talk about marking it for expiration" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175707
[21:11] <Fujitsu> Ubulette: Good, so not on LP. Those feeds are currently controlled by Seveas, but will soon (hopefully I'll get around to doing it tonight) be within my control on UbuntuWire, so I can fix it then.
[21:11] <Fujitsu> In the meantime, it only affects those sourcepackagereleases that have epochs.
[21:19] <gspr> I was wondering, when should I use a tilde version for a package? I see the PPA quickstart recommends ~ppaN for PPA packages. Let's say I take a Hardy package and only change it to belong to Gutsy, and put it in my PPA. Should I then call it foo-x.y.z~gutsy1~ppa1 or what?
[21:20] <gspr> What are the guidelines for ~version?
[21:20] <Fujitsu> There are no official guidelines that I know of.
[21:20] <Fujitsu> That versioning is probably OK, however.
[21:21] <Fujitsu> In fact, it's probably the ideal format for that situation.
[21:24] <gspr> ok
[21:24] <Ubulette> ~ is lower than anything else, it's important
[21:24] <Ubulette> foo-x.y.z~gutsy1~ppa1 < foo-x.y.z~gutsy1 < foo-x.y.z
[21:25] <gspr> wow, really? I didn't know that
[21:25] <gspr> but foo-x.y.z < foo-x.y.z-w, right?
[21:25] <Ubulette> correct
[21:25] <gspr> ok, so ~ behaves differently - that's very interesting
[21:25] <gspr> thanks
[21:26] <Ubulette> it's a way to prefer the official versions
[21:26] <gspr> I hear one can delete PPA packages by requesting it manually. Who can I talk to?
[21:26] <gspr> Ubulette: Yeah, I see. I was actually wondering how to do that :)
[21:36] <Ubulette> gspr, to delete something from your ppa, you'd better file a question on LP
[21:38] <gspr> Ubulette: OK
[22:34] <dennda> Is launchpad capable of having a mailing list for a project?
[22:34] <RainC1> Hi
[22:34] <RainC1> I got 3 oops trying to file a bug, last two IDs are OOPS-710EC179 and OOPS-710EA245
[22:35] <RainC1> (timeout error)
[22:35] <RainC1> and a 4th, OOPS-710EB206
[22:35] <RainC1> :P
[22:39] <RainC1> OOPS-710EA248
[22:43] <_polto_> hello all
[22:44] <_polto_> can sb help me pls ? I would like to make a meta-package on my PPA what will install some other. Any documentation/advise on how to do a meta-package?
[22:46] <stdin> _polto_: take a look at other meta-packages, like ubuntu-meta  also ask in #ubuntu-motu
[22:46] <RainC1> works again now
[22:47] <_polto_> hmm.. i'll try apt-get source gnome-desktop for example ..
[22:47] <_polto_> thanks
[22:48] <_polto_> uhh... it's not a meta-package ..
[22:48] <_polto_> what is ubuntu-meta ?
[22:48] <stdin> _polto_: it's the source package for ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-desktop etc, meta-kde is another good example of one
[22:50] <_polto_> thanks!
[23:18] <nealmcb> there's lots of buzz today on the ubuntu-us list about  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/ColombianTeamAnalysis and the simple python program (linked from there) that produced it.  Is there a good place for that sort of script to go, like some sort of launchpad utils project?  Or e.g. as part of the bughelper project?
[23:18] <nealmcb> and questions coming up about the launchpad api, as might be predicted :-)
[23:57] <mpt> nealmcb, you could put it on help.launchpad.net I think
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