[02:29] <iccus> sp?
[02:29] <iccus> there?
[08:37] <slytherin> Is there anyway to run live cd without using cd i.e. from iso?
[08:37] <mikess> what version of alsa in hardy?
[08:38] <slytherin> mikess: 1.0.15
[08:39] <mikess> great it will work on my laptop
[08:39] <jussi01> slytherin: I think so... you mean to install??
[08:39] <mikess> slytherin: cheers,I hope my atheros chip is supported as well
[08:39] <jussi01> !install | slytherin
[08:39] <ubotu> slytherin: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[08:39] <mikess> ,,d/loading at the mo
[08:39] <slytherin> jussi01: no, I just want to run live cd.
[08:40] <jussi01> slytherin: oh... well look at that last link - it may help...
[08:40] <jussi01> !info alsa
[08:40] <slytherin> jussi01: i can start alternate cd installer with iso. I was wondering if same is possible with live cd
[08:40] <ubotu> Package alsa does not exist in hardy
[08:40] <jussi01> slytherin: no idea
[08:59] <Jeeves_> Anyone here using firefox 3 in Hardy?
[09:12] <bazhang> is it in the repos?
[09:15] <Tomcat_> !info firefox
[09:15] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.10+2nobinonly-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 8968 kB, installed size 26024 kB
[09:15] <Tomcat_> Nope. ;)
[09:15] <bazhang> well then no, Jeeves_
[09:16] <bazhang> cheers Tomcat_
[09:18] <avatar_> firefox-3.0 is in the repo's voor gutsy and hardy
[09:19] <Tomcat_> !info firefox-3.0
[09:19] <ubotu> firefox-3.0: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~b1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1180 kB, installed size 3864 kB
[09:19] <Tomcat_> If I had known the package name... ;)
[09:19] <bazhang> ooh nice--will have to try it. thanks avatar_!
[09:26] <avatar_> firefox-3.0 is very fast at rendering
[09:32] <bazhang> nice
[09:34] <Jeeves_> it is in the repo
[09:34] <Jeeves_> firefox-3.0 is the package
[09:34] <bazhang> will install forthwith
[09:35] <nanonyme> hmm, nobin? that's interestesting
[09:45] <Jeeves_> Anyways, the problem with firefox-3.0
[09:45] <Jeeves_> Is that when you have it enabled as the default gnome browser
[09:46] <Jeeves_> And you open a link, the ff-window moves to the workspace you clicked the link on
[09:46] <Jeeves_> And I don't want that
[09:46] <Jeeves_> But I'm not sure who aranges that, Firefox, X, or the windowmanager
[10:08] <slytherin> avatar_: are you using firefox 3 on gutsy?
[10:09] <avatar_> slytherin: at home i do
[10:09] <avatar_> at work i'm running firefox3 on hardy
[10:10] <slytherin> avatar_: do you think hardy is good enough to upgrade? I mean no kernel issues etc. :-)
[10:12] <avatar_> see tpoic
[10:12] <avatar_> see topic
[10:12] <avatar_> Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" and various breakage
[10:14] <slytherin> avatar_: I already saw that. I had used gutsy also from tribe 1 on home pc. I think I will keep my work machine on gutsy only and upgrade home machine on hardy
[10:14] <avatar_> hardy is atm alpha
[10:15] <avatar_> so expect breakage
[11:36]  * Fujitsu sends persia away again.
[11:37] <persia> Hi.  As expected (and indicated in the topic), hardy is broken for me :)  Specifically, epiphany stopped loading due to an issue with not finding the dbus socket in /tmp.  I'm guessing this is related to new dbus security controls, and would appreciate a pointer to where I should hunt towards a solution.
[11:38]  * Fujitsu finds it to work flawlessly :(
[11:38] <Fujitsu> It's so boring, except for Compiz.
[11:39] <persia> Fujitsu: Until this evening, that was my experience as well.
[11:39] <stgraber> Fujitsu: do we have a bug # for the compiz thing ?
[11:39] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Do you know of one?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> no
[11:40] <Hobbsee> i've just been speaking to them over irc
[11:40] <Fujitsu> The correct people know of it, right.
[11:40] <Hobbsee> it appears the drivers are giving out crack, then it breaks
[11:41] <Fujitsu> Doesns't it affect multiple drivers?
[11:43]  * persia doesn't suspect the drivers entirely, or the mice wouldn't keep working: it's an interfacing issue.
[11:45] <Fujitsu> persia: Could be hardware pointer, or Compiz not controlling the pointer. I forget exactly how these things interact.
[11:47] <persia> Fujitsu: It would be a hardware pointer.  The point is that if the hardware is still getting the mouse movement information from X, than the driver isn't trapped (although it may be in an unusable state).  A similar issue was previously exposed in the nVidia drivers when the cairo bindings were first deployed in Edgy.
[11:48] <persia> From what could be detected during that time, it appeared that cairo was not trapping errors being reported by the driver (although they were shown in dmesg), and blithely attempting to continue, waiting indefinitely for the response that would never arrive.  I'm not sure it's the same, but I'd suggest that as a possible avenue for investigation.
[14:54] <humbolto> Will there be significant improofments to the Xen environment in hardy?
[14:55] <humbolto> Will Xen in hardy be stable enought to be good for production environments?
[14:55] <humbolto> I know, nobody can tell the future, but is there actually an intention, a plan, a blueprint, a release goal to achieve this?
[15:23] <h3sp4wn> humbolto: I don't think ubuntu is bothered about Xen (The only blueprint remotely related is to do with kvm)
[15:23] <h3sp4wn> But you can now have an opensolaris dom0 so all is fine - and whatever domU's
[15:25] <rhalff> h3sp4wn, you know where the real source tree of linux-image-2.6.22-14-xen is hanging out ?
[15:25] <h3sp4wn> rhalff: Is it not just a patch against the normal ubuntu kernel sources ?
[15:26] <h3sp4wn> rhalff: Did you check the git trees ?
[15:26] <rhalff> h3sp4wn, I've tried apt-get source linux-image-2.6.22-14-xen, which just gives me the normal source
[15:26] <rhalff> I didn't check the git trees
[15:26] <h3sp4wn> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=zul/ubuntu-hardy-xen.git;a=summary
[15:27] <h3sp4wn> But that is for 2.6.24 but linux-image-2.6.22-14-xen is not the hardy kernel anyway
[15:27] <rhalff> I have to apply this patch https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=209141
[15:27] <avatar_> xen is stable enough for an production environment
[15:28] <h3sp4wn> But which production enviroment ? Most I have worked in would not dream of Ubuntu on a server
[15:29] <avatar_> we are running Ubuntu on 100+ servers
[15:29] <humbolto> h3sp4wn: what would you recommend as a xen dom0?
[15:29]  * rhalff :-o
[15:29] <avatar_> mostly 6.06 LTS. Few feisty, few gutsy
[15:30] <h3sp4wn> humbolto: Solaris Express
[15:30] <avatar_> we are handling mail a few 1000 domains happily on ubuntu/exim4
[15:30] <h3sp4wn> avatar_: Is your billing database on ubuntu ?
[15:32] <humbolto> I just read this on the ubuntu kernel mailing list: ... in Hardy, as Xen will become first class, being maintained by the server team (with special help from the kernel team to ensure it is well maintained).
[15:32] <h3sp4wn> humbolto: first class by whose standards though
[15:32] <humbolto> h3sp4wn: Any Linux distro as xen dom0?
[15:33] <h3sp4wn> humbolto: Probably I would use RHEL or CentOS if I had to choose
[15:34] <humbolto> h3sp4wn: was thinking about that too.
[15:34] <humbolto> h3sp4wn: have very little solaris knowledge.
[15:34] <avatar_> h3sp4wn: billing is done in an DOS application :)
[15:34] <h3sp4wn> humbolto: But you shouldn't be running anything from the dom0 anyway (except you get zfs)
[15:35] <humbolto> h3sp4wn: true (and true)
[15:36] <avatar_> Ubuntu 6.06 is stable and ready for running production on servers
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> avatar_: If you can get them with the hardware support
[15:36] <avatar_> h3sp4wn: buy sun
[15:36] <h3sp4wn> avatar_: To run ubuntu ? No way
[15:37] <avatar_> h3sp4wn: thats what we do
[15:37] <avatar_> sun x2100/x2200/4100/4200
[15:37] <h3sp4wn> avatar_: Why not Solaris ?
[15:37] <avatar_> why running such an ugly OS as solaris
[15:37] <avatar_> which is not free
[15:38] <h3sp4wn> It is free as in beer and its free as in supported with Sun Hardware (to get the patches)
[15:38] <avatar_> no competent packagemanagement
[15:38] <h3sp4wn> Ah so you cannot make sysv packages ?
[15:38] <avatar_> Sun does support Ubuntu on theire servers
[15:38] <h3sp4wn> Will they send an engineer to debug Ubuntu to you within 4 hours ?
[15:39] <avatar_> i don't want to spend time on making my own packages when i ca use tons of packages from ubuntu repo's
[15:39] <avatar_> if you have the right support contract yes
[15:39] <avatar_> for ubuntu support you would need canonical
[15:40] <h3sp4wn> And they have enough people ?
[15:40] <avatar_> canonical? i suppose yes
[15:41] <h3sp4wn> I thought it was a very tiny company
[15:42] <avatar_> we don't use commercial support from canonical
[15:42] <avatar_> only hardware support from sun
[15:44] <h3sp4wn> Making sysv packages is more difficult than debian ones. But upstart is a complete joke compared to SMF - Solaris has had containers / Fair Scheduler - has Zfs, will be supported for as long as you want (and will pay for), Any scripts if you don't use GNU stuff will port between either. I think the extra hassle to use Solaris is well worth it
[15:45] <h3sp4wn> And there will be Indiana soon
[15:45] <h3sp4wn> (Ubuntu ripoff with Solaris kernel)
[16:01] <xst> Has the Hardy Alpha 1 release xorg 7.3?
[16:03] <pvandewyngaerde> X.Org X Server 1.4.0
[16:03] <kbrooks> h3sp4wn, offtopic!
[16:04] <al-_-Gir> when the next release of ubuntu will be released ?
[16:07] <jorgp2> sometime around April I think
[16:07] <h3sp4wn> kbrooks: It did start off on topic - upstart does suck though compared to what part of what it is supposed to be imitating
[16:08] <al-_-Gir> and kubuntu default desktop will be kde 4 ?
[16:13] <kbrooks> al-_-Gir: not guaranteed
[16:16] <xst> pvandewyngaerde: Does X server 1.4.0 imply xorg7.3?
[16:20] <al-_-Gir> kbrooks , so no one know yet ?
[16:20] <kbrooks> al-_-Gir, it depends on when kde 4 is out
[16:22] <al-_-Gir> aa ok hop soon :)
[16:22] <al-_-Gir> hope*
[16:23] <pvandewyngaerde> al-_-Gir:    next ubuntu/kubuntu is LTS,  no kde4 as default
[16:23] <pvandewyngaerde> kde 4.0 will be released 11 januari
[16:23] <pvandewyngaerde> tomorrow RC2 if i remember
[16:24] <al-_-Gir> so waht if its LTS , why lts can have kde4 ?
[16:24] <pvandewyngaerde> xst:  The current stable release is 1.4.0, released as part of X11R7.3
[16:25] <pvandewyngaerde> because Long term support you dont give on something that is completely new
[16:25] <pvandewyngaerde> it will be avalailable as optional packages
[16:26] <mrtimdog> What's the average (new install) footprint size, roughly? I'm just creating a new hardy partition...
[16:26] <pvandewyngaerde> al-_-Gir:  im currently using kde4, really not for end users or long term support
[16:26] <al-_-Gir> i dont understand even why people need long term ...
[16:26] <al-_-Gir> what is so cool to use old release . . .
[16:27] <pvandewyngaerde> for server security updates it is important
[16:27] <pvandewyngaerde> and production systems
[16:28] <al-_-Gir> lts is 3 years desktop and 5 server right ?
[16:29] <avatar_> right
[16:34] <mikkael> there is a section in synaptic showing the local/outdated packages. what are firefox, thunderbird and several other essential stuff doing there ?
[16:54] <BUGabundo> hy there!
[16:55] <BUGabundo> where's the link for the build queue?
[16:55] <BUGabundo> I can't use kmail until kdebase-kio-plugins is build
[16:57] <BUGabundo> sorry about that. another crash from pidgin. something to do with sound and GStreamer-CRITICAL
[17:03] <BUGabundo> I guess this anwsers my own question: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[17:05] <rhalff> ay cool, hardy works with the 3ware 9550SX if I run the 2.16.9-4 kernel
[17:05] <rhalff> (xen)
[17:15] <BUGabundo> can I simply force the old version o Kmail?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> its better a version conflict then no version at all
[17:32] <Richie> Hi, after about 30 mins of my laptop being on, the sound will stop working. When i go System > Preferences > Sound and clikc test i get the error "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Internal data flow error." The only way i can fix is restarting the laptop. Is there anyway i can stop this from happening?
[17:32] <Richie> or a quicker way to fix it rather than restarting my laptop
[17:49]  * TuX_Claudiu say haello
[17:54] <LimCore> kipin package is damn old in ubuntu
[17:54] <LimCore> how abut packing a recent version
[18:16] <turbotorben> hey, i'm having a wierd bug using hardy: when i df -h it says i've got 4,3gb in use, but i've got only 1.7gb used on the filesystem (du -h tells me the right usage)
[18:17] <void^> are you sure? "du -h" is in use by files, doesn't include filesystem metadata/reserved blocks
[18:19] <turbotorben> void^, i've had over 2gb free before a reboot and now my disc "seems to be" full
[18:19] <void^> fsck it
[18:20] <turbotorben> done
[18:20] <turbotorben> still the same
[18:20] <pvandewyngaerde> filelight /        and check where your space went
[18:21] <void^> fsck -f it, and umount first ;)
[18:21] <turbotorben> umount? it's my root partition?
[18:22] <void^> switch to a livecd
[18:22] <turbotorben> :/
[18:22] <turbotorben> okay
[18:23] <turbotorben> can't i tell fsck to check it on reboot?
[18:23] <Pici> sudo touch /forcefsck
[18:24] <turbotorben> great, thx
[18:24] <turbotorben> brb
[18:31] <turbotorben> thanks, it's fixed
[18:33] <turbotorben> now i've got about 3gb free disk space. is that enough to compile a 2.6.24 kernel?
[18:33] <void^> yes
[18:34] <turbotorben> great thanks. do i have to undo that touch /checkfsck thing?
[18:34] <void^> it should have removed it, i think? if not, rm it.
[18:35] <turbotorben> ok
[18:38] <void^> uh oh.. it seems i will be doing some fsck'ing myself..
[18:39] <turbotorben> good luck then
[18:44] <void^> internal disk went completely dead while transfering files from an usb disk. lovely. :)
[18:45] <turbotorben> what is to be blamed? hardy or that disc?
[18:46] <void^> i don't know, works fine after a reboot but i have no debug information (things like dmesg didn't work anymore..)
[18:54] <rico> why would it be an inappropriate question to ask about the Hardy repositories?
[19:31] <destroyer> hey all... i'm runnin xubuntu 8.04, but this issue happens for me in 7.10 as well... just wondered if anyone could help me figure out why my cursor size/theme is ignored completely by gtk apps (including xfce) and only displayed correctly over non-gtk apps such as firefox and amarok and such. anyone have any ideas? thanks
[19:35] <destroyer> it's not xfce because this happens for me in gnome as well.. the only common denominators are *buntu and my hardware (specifically nvidia).. only thing i can think of is it's an nvidia thing
[19:35] <holmss> I have shutdown.sh file (shutdown -h now), how to make a schrout to this file and what kind of permissions i need to shut down computer without any confirmation?
[19:36] <h3sp4wn> destroyer: firefox uses gtk
[19:36] <destroyer> hmm, well i do have a firefox theme installed which might make a difference
[19:36] <h3sp4wn> destroyer: How are you setting the theme ?
[19:36] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: not really :)
[19:36] <crdlb> it emulates gtk
[19:36] <h3sp4wn> destroyer: .gtk-2.0rc (or whatever its name is you know the one)
[19:37] <destroyer> i've tried using Xfce 4 mouse settings and i've also tried gcursor
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: about:buildconfig implies otherwise
[19:37] <destroyer> i can see that it works because my changes reflect over the non-gtk apps
[19:37] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: it uses GDK, but not GTK
[19:38] <destroyer> specifically firefox and amarok and i assume other qt and non-gtk apps display correctly as well
[19:38] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: Why does it need - libgtk2.0-dev to build then ?
[19:39] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: because GDK is part of gtk, and it does draw sample widgets with gtk that it copies
[19:39] <destroyer> but since my xserver is 2699x1968, the cursor size is directly proportional to my xserver resolution, so it's HUGE!!!
[19:40] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: So it needs gtk (a part of)
[19:40] <crdlb> but it's not a true gtk app
[19:40] <destroyer> you're both right... but either way, it doesn't behave like a normal gtk app
[19:40] <crdlb> exactly :)
[19:41] <destroyer> also, this has nothing to do with my weird offset twinview crazy-sized xserver, since it was an issue before i added a dual monitor
[19:41] <destroyer> it's just an issue now.. since before i didn't mind the default cursors
[19:42] <destroyer> must be my nvidia driver...
[19:42] <h3sp4wn> destroyer: Ah did you disable the hardware cursor ?
[19:43] <destroyer> option "SWCursor"?
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> Option "HWCursor" "0"
[19:44] <destroyer> ah k... what section should i add that under?
[19:44] <h3sp4wn> Where the rest of your nvidia options are
[19:44] <destroyer> alright thanks... i'll brb after i add this and restart x
[19:56] <destroyer> hmm... well i tried a ton of variations, even putting the option in almost every xorg.conf section... nothing made a difference.. =(
[22:01] <mikes1> I have no sound ,,A 200 Toshiba ,IH7 intel high definition sound?
[22:01] <cypherdelic> Watch my new great Background, composed of images from gnome,ubuntu and compiz(beryl) - http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maniacdebiankl3.jpg - Copyright reversed. Feel free to ask me for different resolutions or the xcf
[22:02] <mikes1> kmix has master and pcm but no way of turning them on?
[22:02] <cypherdelic> Tell me if you like, also different colors available.
[22:26] <ompaul> what kernel is currently in Hardy?
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> 24-1
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> !info linux-image-2.6.24-1 hardy
[22:29] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.24-1 does not exist in hardy
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 hardy
[22:29] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 does not exist in hardy
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> You get the idea ^^ my laptop is off atm (and it has the hardy kernel)
[22:31] <ompaul> thanks
[22:31] <ompaul> !info linux-image hardy
[22:31] <ubotu> linux-image: Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[22:32] <h3sp4wn> I don't think that has been updated yet (Last time I checked the restricted modules was not yet there)
[22:32] <ompaul> maybe I don't want them ;-)
[22:32] <h3sp4wn> ompaul: No but afaik linux-image (metapackage) is not updated until both exist
[22:33] <ompaul> ack
[22:37] <h3sp4wn> !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic
[22:37] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-1.2 (hardy), package size 19272 kB, installed size 66196 kB
[22:46] <ompaul> h3sp4wn, thanks
[22:46] <Jordan_U> How likely is it that PulseAudio will be used by default in Hardy?
[22:53] <h3sp4wn> Jordan_U: I would say 100% as its enabled by default now
[22:54] <h3sp4wn> Jordan_U: /usr/bin/esd is a wrapper (or it might be in sbin I forget)
[22:54] <hit_> any ideas why gnome just freezes randomly? music keeps playing and i can hear msn sounds but screen freezes
[22:55] <h3sp4wn> hit_: Non free drivers ? Its pretty stable for me here (other than trackerd is not doing anything useful)
[22:55] <hit> not non-free
[22:56] <h3sp4wn> e.g ?
[22:56] <hit> radeon
[22:56] <h3sp4wn> On what card ?
[22:56] <hit> 9550SE
[22:57] <hit> ah no just ati drivers atm
[22:57] <h3sp4wn> r300 is still officially experimental afaik
[22:57] <hit>         Driver          "ati"
[22:57] <h3sp4wn> ati and radeon are the same driver these days
[22:57] <hit> @ xorg.conf
[22:57] <hit> ok..
[22:58] <hit> just got updates for xorg and stuff and hoped that it'll be fixed but nothing
[22:59] <Jordan_U> h3sp4wn, I thought so, I havn't had a chance ( or any HD space :) to install Hardy yet. Thanks
[23:00] <h3sp4wn> hit: So install the dbg packages and try to get a backtrace
[23:00] <h3sp4wn> easier if you have a null modem (or serial cable you can make one from)
[23:01] <Jordan_U> It's great about Linux that when one distro comes out with a really great feature ( in this case Fedora ) most other large distro's also include it by their next version
[23:01] <hit> h3sp4wn, dbg?
[23:01] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg
[23:01] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg: X.Org X server -- ATI display driver (debugging symbols). In component main, is extra. Version 1:6.7.196-2 (hardy), package size 1715 kB, installed size 3528 kB
[23:01] <hit> ah ok
[23:01] <hit> thx
[23:01] <h3sp4wn> There will be a page on the wiki explaining more about how to do it
[23:02] <hit> btw i don't know if it's related to xorg
[23:02] <hit> i think so
[23:02] <h3sp4wn> hit: You have to start somewhere - or you could try kde or xfce for a bit
[23:02] <hit> h3sp4wn, ok
[23:06] <mikess> Hardy is going ok for such early stages
[23:06] <mikess> just no sound as yet
[23:08] <hit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/108527
[23:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108527 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "X freezes when compiz is enabled on ATI cards" [High,Confirmed]
[23:08] <hit> something for me i quess
[23:10] <h3sp4wn> Probably - I haven't used compiz for long enough to know if that affects me
[23:19] <mikess> !alsa
[23:19] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[23:19] <mikess> !alsaconf
[23:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsaconf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:21] <Jordan_U> mikess, Those instructions may or may not work with pulseaudio, do applications at least "think" they can output sound, for instance can you run "aplay < /dev/random" without errors?
[23:22] <mikess> Jordan_U, I have no sound on a Tishiba A200
[23:22] <mikess> hda IH7 high definition sound
[23:23] <mikess> It can see it,,pcm and master is in kmix
[23:23] <mikess> Unable to turn them on
[23:23] <Jordan_U> mikess, Can you try running "aplay < /dev/urandom" and pastebin any errors ?
[23:24] <h3sp4wn> mikess: Are you 100% certain they are just not muted ?
[23:24] <mikess> ok will go and boot the lapy 1min  :)
[23:24] <Jordan_U> mikess, I am not sure if kmix is seeing the real hardware ( interacting with alsa directly ) or if it is just seeing pulseaudio mimicking real hardware for alsa compatability ( like fedora does with alsamixer )
[23:27] <mikelapy> ok back :)
[23:27] <mikelapy> What was that command please?
[23:28] <Jordan_U> mikelapy, "aplay < /dev/urandom"
[23:28] <mikelapy> Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
[23:29] <LiMaO> mikess: i can help you, just a sec
[23:29] <mikelapy> awsm :)
[23:29] <LiMaO> mikess: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[23:30] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: Really don't do ^^
[23:30] <LiMaO> mikelapy, mikess, are you there?
[23:30] <mikelapy> yes
[23:30] <LiMaO> mikelapy: do NOT compile anything from source
[23:30] <LiMaO> mikelapy: but read one of the last lines
[23:30] <mikelapy> I have latest alsa installed,,,.15
[23:30] <mikelapy> ok
[23:31] <LiMaO> mikelapy: actually you should add the line 'model=3stack'
[23:31] <LiMaO> to the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound
[23:31] <mikelapy> ok
[23:32] <h3sp4wn> LiMaO: Are you certain that this is not already fixed in the hardy kernel ? 24-1
[23:32] <LiMaO> h3sp4wn: may already be.. but he's already having the problem.. trying this won't hurt =)
[23:33] <h3sp4wn> LiMaO: But the chances are he is still using 22-*
[23:34] <LiMaO> well, actually i didn't have this problem at all using ubuntu, even hardy.. only had this problem with debian.. 2.6.18.. but adding the 'model=3stack' line to the file mentioned above fixed everything and i got sound working
[23:34] <Jordan_U> mikelapy, What is the output of "uname -r" ?
[23:35] <mikelapy> nothing  hmm
[23:35] <mikelapy> ok added ,,,,3stack ,,
[23:35] <mikelapy> reboot?
[23:35] <LiMaO> yes
[23:36] <LiMaO> did you add it on the same line as 'options' ?
[23:36] <mikelapy> yes
[23:36] <LiMaO> reboot =)
[23:36] <LiMaO> also cross your fingers
[23:36] <LiMaO> this is such an important step hehe
[23:36] <mikelapy> 2.6.22-14-generic
[23:36] <mikelapy> ]
[23:36] <mikelapy> brb
[23:40] <mikelapy> ok still no sound
[23:41] <Jordan_U> mikelapy, You didn't cross your fingers did you?
[23:41] <Jordan_U> mikelapy, We can't help you if you don't follow our instructions ;)
[23:41] <mikelapy> hehe
[23:46] <Jordan_U> mikelapy, I'm looking for a way to be sure that the channels in alsa are not simply muted or too low / how to be sure that alsamixer / kmix are actually controlling alsa
[23:46] <mikelapy> ok
[23:48] <Jordan_U> mikelapy, Does kmix look like it's showing the same channels it was in previous Ubuntu versions on the same hardware?
[23:51] <mikelapy> yes
[23:51] <mikelapy> sound did not work in fiesty
[23:51] <mikelapy> needed ,,,.15 alsa
[23:51] <mikelapy> Sidux works fine
[23:52] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: You could install a sidux kernel if you wanted
[23:53] <mikelapy> h3sp4wn, I was thinking that ,I have sidux installed as well ,I really want to keep kubuntu original :)
[23:53] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: or just - sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic
[23:53] <h3sp4wn> but then you have to deal with any graphics card drivers you have to install
[23:54] <h3sp4wn> or wifi drivers
[23:54] <mikelapy> ok
[23:54] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: alternatively you could do
[23:54] <mikelapy> mmm
[23:55] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude install alsa-source module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa (but that will not work with 2.6.24-1 iirc)
[23:59] <thompa> howdy, ive upgraded to kernel 2.6.24, wireless intel 4965 is there but nothing in nwm
[23:59] <Jordan_U> h3sp4wn, Does that mean that eventually an update will likely fix his problem?