[00:25] <kahrytan> I hate ubuntu ops
[00:25] <LjL> hello to you too
[00:25] <Pici> kahrytan: oh.  okay.
[00:25] <kahrytan> You guys love to pick on me
[00:25] <LjL> and if i had to second-guess you like you're doing with us, i'd say you've got some kind of victim complex
[00:26] <kahrytan> huh.. that didnt make sense.
[00:26] <ikonia> not this guy again
[00:26] <LjL> kahrytan: perhaps it was my english
[00:27] <LjL> anyway, it was sarcasm, so not really important
[00:27] <nalioth> i'm not sure "you guys" is accurate
[00:27] <kahrytan> I hate being picked on.
[00:27] <ikonia> nalioth: you "people" more PC
[00:27] <LjL> we're people?
[00:27] <Pici> kahrytan: Honestly, I havent been following what your bans are about, but we dont do these type of things for no reason.
[00:27] <ikonia> LjL: just about
[00:27] <LjL> ubotu, say something
[00:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about say something - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:28] <kahrytan> Today was no reason though.
[00:28] <nalioth> ikonia: i don't know who kahrytan is.  i don't think i'm included in his "you guys" group
[00:28] <Pici> kahrytan: I believe that your ban was not lifted and you were banned for evasion.
[00:28] <kahrytan> nalioth➲  i'll exclude you
[00:28] <ikonia> nalioth: past experience suggests "you exist" so "your included"
[00:28] <kahrytan> I evaded? yeah. No I didn't
[00:28] <nalioth> my point is that not everyone in here knows who you are or anythbing about you
[00:29] <LjL> kahrytan, perhaps you didn't and it was simply your ISP changing stuff
[00:29] <kahrytan> Pici➲  I just went to sleep one night, and woke up able to enter.
[00:29] <LjL> still, you were not "banned" today except from a strictly technical point of view
[00:29] <LjL> you were *already* banned
[00:29] <kahrytan> So, you just messed up  then LjL
[00:29] <LjL> uhm, no kahrytan.
[00:29] <LjL> you changed your IP address.
[00:30] <kahrytan> My isp did
[00:30] <kahrytan> not my fault
[00:30] <LjL> and?
[00:30] <LjL> you were banned, your ban wasn't lifted
[00:30] <LjL> so you're still banned
[00:30] <LjL> that seems quite logical to me, whether or not it was your ISP's fault
[00:30] <kahrytan> You just didnt realize people do have dynamic ips
[00:30] <kahrytan> and your ban was rather dumb too
[00:30] <LjL> i do realize that, unfortunately i have to
[00:30] <kahrytan> You did it to pick on me
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[00:31] <LjL> kahrytan, i agree with ikonia. your attitude is far from constructive, i don't think i'm going on with this so-called conversation.
[00:31] <Pici> %btlogin
[00:31] <kahrytan> I dont have an attitude.
[00:32] <kahrytan> Just saying ops here like to ban me after I have stopped doing what they told me to stop.
[00:32] <kahrytan> which is rather stupid and pointless
[00:34] <kahrytan> LjL➲  you do realize I am complaining?
[00:35] <LjL> yes kahrytan. complains taken into consideration.
[00:35] <Pici> Just for my own reference, this is regarding the harrassment issue in -offtopic?
[00:35] <kahrytan> Sorta ...
[00:35] <kahrytan> which I did stop when asked.
[00:36] <LjL> yes Pici, although it got intermixed with the fact that he re-appeared today with a different address, as you know
[00:36] <ikonia> LjL: please don't discount the attitude towards you and ompaul
[00:37] <LjL> ikonia, what attitude? oh wait, you mean the attitude he refused to show in the appropriate channels, like for instance this one
[00:37] <kahrytan> LjL➲  which isnt my fault
[00:37] <LjL> though i see that's being amended
[00:37] <ikonia> LjL: yes and the way he did that,
[00:37] <LjL> kahrytan, you keep implying things i'm not saying
[00:38] <kahrytan> Whats being amended?
[00:38] <LjL> the fact that you didn't complain in the appropriate channels
[00:39] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[00:39] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[00:39] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[00:39] <Pici> LjL: can I tell you again how much I like the floodbots
[00:40] <ikonia> looks like they are very effective
[00:40] <LjL> Pici: perhaps i should make the time window shorrter though, i suspect mullcom_ wasn't really a victim
[00:41] <nalioth> i suspect otw
[00:41] <Pici> LjL: why not, his quit time looks correct here
[00:41] <nalioth> lag is suspect
[00:41] <LjL> Pici: one second late here, after nalioth's kill
[00:42] <Pici> Its all at :03 here.
[00:42] <kahrytan> LjL➲  I am complaining in proper channels
[00:42] <LjL> kahrytan: indeed, that's what i'm saying. you weren't yesterday, you've fixed that now. although, it is my personal opinion that the way you're doing it isn't doing yourself a favor
[00:43] <kahrytan> LjL➲  I wasnt complaining yesterday
[00:43] <LjL> uhm well, no, you weren't complaining - on any officially logged channel, that is
[00:43] <LjL> but you and i know you were complaining
[00:44] <kahrytan> LjL➲ that wasnt a compliant.
[00:44] <LjL> ok then.
[00:44] <kahrytan> LjL➲ thats just me trying to solve a problem you got with me
[00:44] <LjL> well, matter of definitions. doesn't much matter i guess
[00:46] <kahrytan> I just know i'm being unfairly treated by ops.
[00:47] <LjL> then articulate your problem with me/us in a logical and civil manner. although perhaps it's already a bit late for that now... but that's what, in my opinion, you should have done to begin with.
[00:48] <kahrytan> LjL➲  I just did
[00:48] <LjL> oh. well, i think i mistook it for a meaningless rant, sorry.
[00:49] <LjL> i must be a bit tired
[00:49] <kahrytan> LjL➲  Yesterday was an attempt to solve problem with just you. Now I am taking to it to a group
[00:50] <kahrytan> On the one hand, No one here really gives a crap what I say. Which proves my point, I'm being unfairly treated.
[00:51] <LjL> it proves it to your own mind. if i had to guess, i'd say if anything it shows how starting a complain with "i hate ubuntu ops" is unlikely to attract sympathy.
[00:52] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: I applaude your patience...  goodnight...
[00:53]  * LjL wonders if Jack's appearance here was somehow related :)
[00:53] <kahrytan> LjL➲ I read that as, " I don't give a crap what you say"
[00:54] <LjL> well, i can't and won't speak of anybody else. as far as i am personally concerned, i can confirm that at this stage, no, i really don't give a crap what you say. have a good day
[00:54] <kahrytan> Which you prooved my point
[00:59] <kahrytan> i'll stay here til everyone realizes they are treating people in fairly.
[01:00] <kahrytan> which goes against the name Ubuntu
[01:01] <LjL> kahrytan, however i urge you to read the channel topic
[01:03] <kahrytan> Why?
[01:05] <kahrytan> I ready but why ?
[01:05] <kahrytan> I did read it?
[01:06] <LjL> "The IRC council reserves the right to remove idlers from the channel"
[01:06] <kahrytan> i'm not idling
[01:07] <LjL> no, you seemed to express your intention to however
[01:07] <kahrytan> No I didn't
[01:08] <kahrytan> Idling = Away from Keyboard. I am still physically waiting for more people to be active.
[01:10] <ubotu> magnetron called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (lovedeatm)
[01:11] <kahrytan> and You also just prooved, LjL, that Ops do abuse me by kicking me
[01:17] <magnetron> hello LjL, you invited me
[01:17] <kahrytan> How do I get ops to stop abusing me and treating me unfairly?
[01:17] <LjL> magnetron, yes i did, as you were mentioned in another channel and, as i understand it, accused of something
[01:21] <magnetron> LjL: i only saw that you invited me. what am i accused of, and by whom?
[01:21] <Tm_T> kahrytan: what I have seen, noone have treated you unfairly
[01:22] <stdin> lovedeatm_: care to explain why you did "[01:14]  <lovedeatm_> "<<<!ops | magnetron>>>>>" <----explain this i have a vendetta"  ?
[01:22] <kahrytan> Again, abuse by ops.
[01:22] <Tm_T> kahrytan: disagreed
[01:22] <lovedeatm_> kicked me for doing pasting without warning...pissed me off cuz i didnt know
[01:22] <lovedeatm_> ive done it before nobody told me i wasnt allowed to do it
[01:23] <lovedeatm_> he pmed me about the copy bin
[01:23] <Tm_T> mmm
[01:23] <lovedeatm_> and then kicked me that was it
[01:23] <lovedeatm_> i dont thik it was fair
[01:23] <LjL> lovedeatm_, magnetron didn't kick you, i did.
[01:24] <lovedeatm_> according to the logs when i scrolled back he atcivated it..so i accuse him
[01:25] <lovedeatm_> [Mon Dec 10 2007] [20:11:17] <magnetron> !ops | lovedeatm
[01:25] <Tm_T> you can't accuse him
[01:25] <LjL> lovedeatm_, that was a call to operators, then operators are called to judge the call.
[01:25] <LjL> and lovedeatm_, i kicked/banned you seeing you were flooding the channel, then read it more carefully and realized it wasn't a malicious flood - just a flood - and unbanned you. how were you harmed?
[01:26] <lovedeatm_> ok well i don't know that im very extremely new to linux meanwhile why do you think ti was fair to kick me and as fast
[01:26] <lovedeatm_> it was literly like you had some kinda auto kick thinkg goin on
[01:26] <elkbuntu> lovedeatm_, the kick and ban stopped the flood, it was not entirely meant to hurt you. it's common practice
[01:26] <Tm_T> lovedeatm_: I think LjL just admitted he made a mistake ;)
[01:27] <lovedeatm_> agian i don't know this...and all is forgiven
[01:27] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, no, it's common practice to kb to stop a flood
[01:27] <lovedeatm_> i made a mistake to and im srry as well
[01:27] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: yes, I know
[01:27] <LjL> Tm_T: not really, no. things scroll fast, especially when a flood is ongoing, so banning and *then* reading is a practice i don't discourage
[01:28] <Tm_T> LjL: I know, what I meant, you realised you can lift ban immediately, I misworded, sorry
[01:28] <LjL> lovedeatm_, it's alright for all i'm concerned. i do suggest that you don't accuse people like that, though... if you're new, try to understand how things work - that doesn't mean you should shut up if you feel you're being treated unfairly, but semi-random accusations aren't good either
[01:29] <lovedeatm_> i understand..but it wasnt well i gues it was semi random but yeah ok
[01:29] <lovedeatm_> well thanks ill know that for now on
[01:29] <elkbuntu> lovedeatm_, have you been shown the guidelines?
[01:29] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[01:29] <LjL> lovedeatm_, feel free to join this channel and ask, if anything isn't clear to you
[01:30] <lovedeatm_> no everything is clear...thank you
[01:30] <lovedeatm_> ims sorry for flooding i didnt know
[01:30] <lovedeatm_> you were jsut doing your job
[01:31] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[01:31] <lovedeatm_> lol wow i see what you mean
[01:32] <LjL> heh
[01:32] <elkbuntu> LjL, i think the floodbots got it right :)
[01:33] <LjL> elkbuntu, they certainly did. pity there weren't enough ACTIONs to actually make them start banning
[01:33] <LjL> i'd have liked to see that
[01:33] <magnetron> those floodbots seem pretty smart
[01:33] <elkbuntu> LjL, baby steps. it's great just having the warning when we're not looking in the channel
[01:34] <nalioth> stdin: did you not see myself and LjL set modes just before that started?
[01:34] <Tm_T> magnetron: can I ask who you are and why you are here? just curious :)
[01:34] <LjL> well i wasn't looking anymore to be honest, i thought +rR would kill it
[01:35] <LjL> Tm_T, i invited magnetron here since he was called into cause because of a ban in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:35] <Tm_T> ah, roger
[01:35] <stdin> nalioth: yep, but if I call ops then it's less likely 10 people will simultaneously
[01:35] <magnetron> i'm glad the issue i was called here for was resolved so easily. Tm_T, i am here LjL invited me
[01:35] <Tm_T> magnetron: hi and welcome to eaglesnest
[01:35] <magnetron> i think i'll leave now LjL
[01:35] <magnetron> Tm_T: ty
[01:36] <lovedeatm> yeah srry magnetron
[01:36] <lovedeatm> lataz peeps
[01:36] <magnetron> lovedeatm: cu
[01:36] <LjL> magnetron, sure, i think the issue seems settled now
[01:36] <elkbuntu> LjL, why did you think it would kill it? previous mass joins have shown that they simply do their spam with what they've managed to get in
[01:36] <LjL> only if they're registered elkbuntu
[01:36] <LjL> which i (stupidly, if you want) assumed they weren't
[01:37] <nalioth> these were all registered, too
[01:37] <elkbuntu> LjL, with bots, i find it's best to assume the worst. i think nalioth would agree
[01:37] <nalioth> er, they _were_ registered
[01:37] <mneptok> y0 p33pz lol 5houtz 2 h0mez rofl lataz
[01:37] <Tm_T> mneptok: ok, I marry you
[01:38] <Tm_T> ummm, what?
[01:38] <LjL> nalioth, i know, i said i *assumed* they weren't. it clearly showed to be a wrong assumption
[01:38]  * nalioth spilled some bleach in nickservs notebook
[01:41] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: Just a quick note.. I had no vested interest in your discussion...  Just stopped in on my way out to say goodnight..
[01:41] <LjL> heh ok :) goodnight
[01:41] <mneptok> and a hug?
[01:41]  * LjL now steps back
[01:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Sure.. I give great hugs...  ask my wife of 30 years...
[01:42] <mneptok> Jack_Sparrow: she stopped returning my ephone calls ~30 years ago
[02:10] <ubotu> In ubotu, atoponce said: no ops-#ubuntu-us is <reply> Help: atoponce etank jono nixternal pleia2 zelut
[02:29] <rabidweezle> please test me for the dcc exploit
[02:29] <rabidweezle> I was sent to some channel for it
[02:30] <rabidweezle> just got on my pc and followed the instructions
[02:30] <nalioth> guess not
[02:31] <nalioth> rabidweezle: have you restarted your client after making the changes?
[02:31] <rabidweezle> yep
[02:31] <rabidweezle> :/
[02:31] <rabidweezle> I'm using xchat
[02:32] <rabidweezle> I set the port to the different port
[02:32] <rabidweezle> 8001
[02:32] <nalioth> and you restarted it?
[02:32] <rabidweezle> looks like it reset itself
[02:32] <rabidweezle> :/
[02:32] <nalioth> no
[02:33] <nalioth> click the [X] in the upper right corner
[02:33] <rabidweezle> I went back into the settings and it reverted
[02:33] <nalioth> the client has to be restarted after changing the port
[02:33] <rabidweezle> try it now?
[02:34] <rabidweezle> looks like it sticked
[02:34] <nalioth> let's see
[02:34] <rabidweezle> it's beyond bull that we have to do this
[02:35] <rabidweezle> * Received a malformed DCC request from nalioth.
[02:35] <rabidweezle> * Contents of packet: DCC SEND THISISNOTATESTOFTHESYSTEM
[02:35] <nalioth> rabidweezle: DO NOT DO THAT
[02:35]  * nalioth headdesks
[02:35] <rabidweezle> do what?
[02:35] <stdin> don't copy and paste it back
[02:35] <nalioth> you just attacked everyone in this channel  :(
[02:35] <rabidweezle> omg
[02:35] <rabidweezle> how in the heck
[02:35] <rabidweezle> sorry :(
[02:36] <rabidweezle> didn't know
[02:36] <rabidweezle> :)
[02:36] <rabidweezle> I mean :(
[02:36] <nalioth> lucky for us, we're all immune
[02:36]  * rabidweezle nods nods
[02:36] <nalioth> rabidweezle: you can rejoin #ubuntu now, and thanks for putting up with us
[02:36] <rabidweezle> ok
[02:37] <rabidweezle> so is that exploit the server's fault?
[02:37] <nalioth> no
[02:37] <stdin> no, it's your routers fault :) but switching port works around that
[02:38] <nalioth> it's your router softwares doing
[02:38] <rabidweezle> my router is a laptop
[02:38] <rabidweezle> hooked to a hotspot
[02:38] <rabidweezle> so it's their router's fault
[02:38] <rabidweezle> lol
[02:39] <rabidweezle> is there a way to fix the router? (I can login to it)
[02:39] <stdin> if there is an update to it's firmware then it *may* have a fix, but it may not
[02:39] <nalioth> there is about a 50% success rate with new firmware
[02:40] <rabidweezle> I shouldn't mess with it's firmware since well, I just can't knock on my neighbor's door and go, "Can you reset your router?"
[02:41] <rabidweezle> hehe
[02:41] <nalioth> resetting the port is the surefire method, anyway
[02:41] <rabidweezle> for sure
[02:41] <rabidweezle> thanks for keeping us informed, and death to the trolls that are doing this to us
[02:42] <rabidweezle> but WHY would they attack us?
[02:42] <rabidweezle> I mean, it's not like it don't auto-rejoin... ...and we are just the nice opensource guys
[02:43] <rabidweezle> unless microsoft hired alot of 9 year old hackers *starts a conspiracy theory*
[02:43]  * rabidweezle stops and just toddles off to the offtopic channel
[02:43] <rabidweezle> thanks again
[02:45] <TheFishy> hello u guys think i have some sort of dcc bug on my router....
[02:46] <TheFishy> i have read the fix but i want to know more about it
[02:49] <stdin> TheFishy: just wait for an ubuntu op to wake up
[02:49] <TheFishy> well i just want to know more about it... do u know about it?
[02:50] <stdin> what do you want to know?
[02:50] <TheFishy> well is the exploit just purely from connecting through the 6667 port?
[02:50] <stdin> no, it's a bug in your routers software
[02:51] <stdin> connecting on a different port is a workaround to that
[02:51] <TheFishy> my routers software? its a netgear with the highest firmware
[02:51] <stdin> well it has a bug, one they haven't bothered to fix
[02:52] <TheFishy> what can happen if i dont fix it?
[02:52] <stdin> when someone attacks #ubuntu it will force your connection to the server to drop
[02:52] <mneptok> it can be exploited
[02:53] <stdin> all the exploit is, is it will disconnect you
[02:53] <TheFishy> i haven't been dropped from this server yet...
[02:53] <stdin> and then you'll be banned from #ubuntu and sent to #ubuntu-read-topic when that happens
[02:54] <stdin> if you were sent to #ubuntu-read-topic, then it was
[02:54] <stdin> "[00:39]  <-- TheFishy has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))"
[02:54] <stdin> (time's in UTC)
[02:57] <TheFishy> that was just peer...
[02:57] <TheFishy> peer always restarts people
[02:57] <stdin> you are the peer :)
[02:58] <TheFishy> O_o
[02:58] <TheFishy> hmm
[02:58] <stdin> it means your router reset the connection suddenly
[03:00] <ubotu> etank called the ops in #ubuntu-us ()
[03:00] <Vorian> disregard ^
[03:18] <TheFIshy> ok so i installed new firmware
[03:18] <TheFIshy> any way to test this exploit?
[03:19] <nalioth> TheFIshy: sure
[03:21] <nalioth> TheFIshy: guess you need to switch to port 8001
[03:21] <TheFIshy> ugh lame is this on all irc servers
[03:22] <nalioth> TheFIshy: this is in your router
[03:22] <TheFIshy> that makes no sense
[03:22] <TheFIshy> what ports do i block to stop it?
[04:14] <Pici> he could block 6667 and 8001, that would work /me snickers
[06:32] <ubotu> In ubotu, nealmcb said: !mail server is <reply> Ubuntu provides mail client and mail server software of all kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation or with the tasksel" command. See also  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and  https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/email-services.html
[06:33] <nealmcb> I'm teaching ubotu about some server stuff, which the server team has been discussing recently - see the "factoids" section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[07:00] <nealmcb> The next server team meeting is at 16:00 UTC later today.  I'm headed to bed now and will part here, but I'll stay logged in overnight if you want to leave a message.  Thanks!
[07:44] <Kagar> LjL -- how long was my ban set for?
[07:46] <Kagar> ..or if any of the other ops know? ... :(
[08:17] <Kagar> may I be allowed to join Ubuntu-offtopic again?
[08:25] <Gary> Kagar, LjL set the ban, I cannot see why
[09:46] <PriceChild> kahryten has gone to the ML btw. (nalioth ljl mneptok)
 in #ubuntu.... asking for help compiling a porn dialer
[10:04] <Gary> lol
[10:56]  * Hobbsee wishes people would actually read the topics, and not act surprised when they get punished for not following them.
[10:56] <Gary> wheres the topic again?
[10:58]  * Hobbsee beats Gary
[10:58] <Gary> mmm
[10:58] <Gary> help, help, I'm being repressed!
[11:36] <ubotu> Juhaz called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[12:10] <ikonia>  morning
[12:10] <ikonia> afternoon actually , just
[12:50]  * jussi01 sighs at the guy on the ML...
[12:51] <elkbuntu> jussi01, yeah, we saw. we suspect it's probably a freenode issue now
[12:52] <jussi01> elkbuntu: ahhh... k Just read up and saw PriceChild's comments
[12:52] <elkbuntu> yeah, i spoke with him in PM about it already
[12:53] <Seeker`> why is it a freenode issue now?
[12:53] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, he decided to flood a staffer
[12:53] <PriceChild> Seeker`, then k-lined
[12:55] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[13:00] <Gary> whats the linky to the ban tracker?  (and is it working right at the mo?)
[13:00] <Seeker`>  @btlogin
[13:01] <PriceChild> Seeker`, ubotu gets rid of spaces no?
[13:01] <elkbuntu>  !ping
[13:01] <ubotu> pong
[13:01] <elkbuntu> no
[13:01] <Gary> @btlogin I don't think this works for me?
[13:01] <ubotu> Invalid arguments for btlogin.
[13:01] <Seeker`> I didn't get a pm from ubotu
[13:01] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[13:01] <Gary> @btlogin
[13:02] <Daviey> @btlogin
[13:02] <Gary> yeah, the bot hates me - <ubotu> Error: Authntication failed
[13:02] <elkbuntu> the bantracker is moody at the best of times
[13:02] <Gary> damit, thats one more, and thats a bot... :'(
[13:02] <elkbuntu> Gary, he hates us all equally, if that helps any?
[13:03] <Gary> I wanted to look at Kagar's ban notes
[13:03] <Seeker`> Gary: is there anything specific you want to know?
[13:03] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[13:03] <PriceChild> Gary, do you have a login to the bantracker?
[13:03] <Gary> PriceChild, nope :'(
[13:03] <PriceChild> as in did seveas turn it on for you?
[13:03] <Gary> no
[13:04] <PriceChild> Gary, poke him next time you see him to then
[13:04] <Gary> will do
[13:07] <Seveas> no, you can't have a pony
[13:37] <ikonia> Seveas: are you dishing out coal ?
[13:40] <elkbuntu> no, pony dung
[13:40] <elkbuntu> it may or may not be fossilised
[13:42] <ikonia> either way a generous offer from Seveas
[14:20] <Gary> Seveas, but I wanna pony
[14:21] <ikonia> I want doesn't get
[14:21] <Gary> meh
[14:23] <Gary> yay pony
[14:24] <Myrtti> hihi
[14:25] <Pici> Hi!
[14:25] <Gary> donkey donkey donkey
[14:26] <ikonia> badger badger badger
[14:26] <Hobbsee> MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
[14:26] <Hobbsee> !
[14:26] <ikonia> ha ha,just seen Hobbsee's kick message
[14:26]  * Gary cries
[14:26] <ikonia> I missed that first time
[14:26]  * Pici pats ikonia 
[14:26] <ikonia> sorry, I'm clearly slow
[14:27] <ikonia> Pici: although the pat is appriciated
[14:30] <Gary> Hobbsee is just a big 'orrid bully
[14:30] <Tm_T> .
[14:30] <Gary> see
[14:31] <Gary> I refer you, kind sir/madam to the /topic of #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:32] <LjL> bad hobbsee, repressing gary. go sit in a corner
[14:32] <Gary> lol
[14:32] <Gary> boring
[14:32] <ikonia> repressed in a Python style ?
[14:33] <Hobbsee> ROFL!
[14:33] <ikonia> a bit of fun to lighten the day
[14:33] <ikonia> nice
[14:42] <Gary> I wish to make a complaint
[14:43]  * Pici files Gary in triplicate
[14:43] <Gary> I feel that the bantracker might have slighty un justified bans :p
[14:44]  * Gary got scared when he searched for Gary/GazzaK
[14:44] <ubotu> In ubotu, nealmcb said: !JeOS is <reply> JeOS (pronounced "Juice") is Just enough Operating System.  It is an efficient variant of the Ubuntu Server operating system, configured specifically for virtual appliances.  See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos for more information.
[14:44] <Pici> !jeos
[14:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jeos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:44] <LjL> it really means just enough operating system?
[14:44] <nealmcb> yup
[14:44] <Pici> yes iirc
[14:45] <Daviey> LjL: yes
[14:45]  * LjL refuses to add the factoid due to the hideously horrid name
[14:45] <Pici> !JeOS is <reply> JeOS (pronounced "Juice") is Just enough Operating System.  It is an efficient variant of the Ubuntu Server operating system, configured specifically for virtual appliances. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos for more information.
[14:45] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[14:45]  * Daviey suggests LjL stops being an authorised add-er then :)
[14:46]  * LjL thinks he has a right to not add factoids he finds ugly
[14:46] <ikonia> Pici: what do you class as a virualised appliance ?
[14:47] <LjL> ikonia: anything that needs a buzzword
[14:47]  * Pici shrugs
[14:47] <ikonia> fair enough
[14:47] <ikonia> never heard that term
[14:48] <ikonia> I was thinking like a virtualised palm pilot or something like that
[14:48] <ikonia> or a video recorder
[14:48] <LjL> ikonia i think vmware mostly started the term
[14:48] <LjL> with player
[14:48] <ikonia> so a nonsense phrase then
[14:49] <nealmcb> I've got a bunch of other factoids at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap for the server team.  Mathias said to put the ones that are ready in now, and update later as necessary.  Should I add them, or ask you to do it and the updates?
[14:49] <LjL> ikonia, mostly. the idea, i think, is that you have systems that do something pretty specific (the typical example is a web browsing kiosk) running on a VM to avoid messing up with the real machine
[14:50] <ikonia> LjL: an interesting though, but seeing as unusal kit like that normally has problems due to the hardware, virtualisation doesn't seem a good resource to me
[14:50] <LjL> nealmcb, i'm going to review and add in #ubuntu-bots (to avoid people crying "spam" in here)
[14:50] <nealmcb> LjL: cool
[14:51] <LjL> ikonia, you're the past, virtual appliances are the future. 'nuff said
[14:51]  * ikonia retires
[14:53] <nealmcb> see you later.....
[14:53] <nealmcb> (and in bot-land)
[15:40] <nalioth> Pici: you can pull that last ban
[15:40] <Pici> nalioth: thanks for the update
[15:45] <nalioth> jrib: they're all being klined
[15:45] <jrib> ah
[15:46] <Pici> nalioth: this happening across freenode? or just here?
[15:46] <nalioth> afaik #ubuntu
[16:09] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-kernel, FlashBiker said: ubotu: so there is no kernel that supports my hardware?
[16:09] <Myrtti> !bot > FlashBiker
[16:09] <Pici> !bot > FlashBiker
[16:09] <Myrtti> :-D
[16:09] <Myrtti> gotcha
[16:11] <Myrtti> Pici: hrmh
[16:51] <jpatrick> lorddarkpat_ and deuryte are beening quite rowdy on #kubuntu, stuff like: AOL sucks! winblows!
[16:51] <Pici> Amaranth: do you have alacarte on hilight? or just happen to be watching?  (I know you made it)
[16:52] <jpatrick> should I !language them?
[16:52] <Pici> jpatrick: !offtopic, !ettiquite
[16:52] <Pici> etiquette actually (oops)
[16:52] <Amaranth> Pici: yeah, it's on highlight
[16:53] <Pici> Just curious
[16:53] <jpatrick> Pici: too late!
[16:53] <Amaranth> so is willow
[16:53] <Amaranth> i should probably put compiz and fusion in there too
[16:53] <Pici> I think you'll regret that
[16:56] <Amaranth> oh, right, i'm in #compiz-fusion
[16:56]  * Amaranth drops that
[16:56] <Amaranth> i wish i could do per-channel highlights
[16:57]  * ikonia patches x-chat for per-channel
[17:00]  * Pici needs to fix his 'troll' hilight, it keeps picking up words like 'controller'
[18:26] <ikonia> potential troll mindshift
[18:26] <ikonia> can someone check if he has history
[18:26]  * Pici checks
[18:26] <ikonia> ta
[18:26] <ikonia> he's getting more relevant, perhaps I'm wrong
[18:28] <LjL> no history
[18:28] <ikonia> he's getting a bit more "with it" now
[18:28] <ikonia> very random and argumentative before
[18:28] <ikonia> just checking
[18:28] <ikonia> ta
[18:30] <nalioth> 'no history' means nothing when new nicks are just an enter key away
[18:31] <ikonia> no, but it never hurts to check before jumping to a conflusion
[18:31] <ikonia> he's early comments suggested he'd come in for a fight
[18:31] <ikonia> his
[18:31] <ikonia> hence the check
[18:31] <LjL> well when i implement mindreading i'll be able to help better
[18:31] <ikonia> but then he started to get with it a bit more with it
[18:32] <ikonia> ahh I see Pici has picked up on it too
[19:30] <Pici> LjL: presumably so he can prove that you are picking on him.
[19:30] <LjL> Pici: right channel to say that in, surely.
[19:30] <Pici> Or at least thats my guess.
[19:30] <LjL> also, surely i insisted for him to join -ops rather than keeping PM'ing me for precisely that reason
[19:30] <LjL> yet he kept refusing
[19:30] <LjL> i'm going for dinner, please make sure he doesn't stay offtopic on #ubuntu for very long
[19:31] <Pici> Surely.
[20:19] <pieisgood4589> Hi
[20:19] <pieisgood4589> I need help.
[20:19] <pieisgood4589> I tried to connect to the "#ubuntu"
[20:19] <pieisgood4589> channel
[20:19] <pieisgood4589> but its not letting me
[20:20] <pieisgood4589> It says I'm blocked when I've never connected to that channel before.
[20:20] <ompaul> let me look
[20:20] <pieisgood4589> Ok
[20:20] <pieisgood4589> Thank you
[20:21] <pieisgood4589> Hello?
[20:21] <pieisgood4589> Are you still there?
[20:21] <ompaul> yes
[20:21] <ompaul> let me look
[20:22] <pieisgood4589> Ok, thanks again.
[20:24] <ompaul> please wait a min or two - have to wait for a machine to work
[20:24] <pieisgood4589> Thank you again.
[20:26] <ompaul> trying to find a ban
[20:26] <ompaul> do you want to try and join can't see anything obvious at the moment
[20:27] <pieisgood4589> Ok
[20:27] <ompaul> were you trying with that nick?
[20:28] <pieisgood4589> Yes
[20:28] <ompaul> I can't see a reason for you not being able to get in
[20:29] <pieisgood4589> ok...
[20:29] <ompaul> I'll look again
[20:29] <pieisgood4589> hmmm
[20:30] <pieisgood4589> I don't know why
[20:30] <pieisgood4589> It keeps saying "Cannot join #ubuntu (you are banned)
[20:30]  * ompaul goes to look at the ban list again
[20:30] <pieisgood4589> Ok
[20:35] <ompaul> I can't find a ban that matches you in any way
[20:36]  * ompaul prods some other ops
[20:36] <Gary> there isn't one for *@*.verison.net is there :p
[20:36] <ompaul> there will be one for gary@planetearth real soon :P
[20:36] <Gary> meh
[20:36] <ompaul> Gary, have a look I can't see a thing
[20:37] <ompaul> pieisgood4589, kinda hard to remove a ban if you can't find it :-(
[20:37] <pieisgood4589> Oh.
[20:37] <pieisgood4589> Can you check if anything else is wrong?
[20:37] <pieisgood4589> Anything at all?
[20:37] <pieisgood4589> Or should I contact other help?
[20:38] <ompaul> pieisgood4589, other such as? we control the gateway and I can't see your nick in *any* list or any other part of your id
[20:39] <ompaul> pieisgood4589, got a ubuntu live cd?
[20:39] <pieisgood4589> Yes
[20:39] <Gary> I cannot see any ban which jumps out either ompaul
[20:39] <Gary> pieisgood4589, have you been able to connect?
[20:39] <ompaul> care to boot your machine from that and then try to join - if you get in let me know it will give me something more specific to look at
[20:40] <pieisgood4589> OK
[20:40] <pieisgood4589> One moment
[20:49] <pieisgood4589> Ok
[20:49] <pieisgood4589> I am connected in the Live CD
[20:50] <pieisgood4589> But I can't connect to #ubuntu with my installed system
[20:50] <pieisgood4589> I don't know why
[20:50] <stdin> you seem to have a different hostname than before
[20:50] <pieisgood4589> Hmmm
[20:50] <pieisgood4589> This time i used GAIM, last time I used XChat
[20:50] <pieisgood4589> Would that make a difference?
[20:50] <stdin> no, that wouldn't effect it
[20:50] <pieisgood4589> OK
[20:51] <mc44> er... you changed from verizon to comcast
[20:51] <mc44> that might do it :)
[20:51] <pieisgood4589> OH
[20:51] <pieisgood4589> OK
[20:51] <pieisgood4589> I connected to the wrong Wireless network
[20:51] <pieisgood4589> One moment
[20:51] <ompaul> and drop the pie is good stuff might be useful
[20:52] <pieisgood4581> OK
[20:52] <pieisgood4581> Here we go
[20:52] <pieisgood4581> Now I'm connected to the same network
[20:52] <pieisgood4581> And I'm banned
[20:52] <pieisgood4581> Still banned...
[20:53] <pieisgood4581> Even in the LiveCD
[20:53] <ompaul> okay that points to the IP
[20:53] <pieisgood4581> ...
[20:53]  * ompaul goes again 
[20:53] <pieisgood4581> Lol
[20:55] <ompaul> ban took place in october
[20:56] <ompaul> that was strange
[20:56] <pieisgood4581> Oh...
[20:56] <pieisgood4581> And I'm still banned?
[20:56] <ompaul> you can reboot I will remove the ban - however
[20:56] <pieisgood4581> ...
[20:56] <pieisgood4581> What
[20:56] <ompaul> just understand
[20:56] <ompaul> !coc
[20:56] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[20:56] <ompaul> or
[20:56] <pieisgood4581> OK
[20:56] <ompaul> !guidelines | they are usefl
[20:56] <ubotu> they are usefl: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[20:56] <pieisgood4581> I'll take a look. Thank you very much.
[21:04] <LjL> ompaul: so it was a ban on the very same IP?
[21:05] <ompaul> it was
[21:05] <pieisgood4589_> It says I am banned after just joining the channel
[21:05] <ompaul> pieisgood4589_, you were told you were offtopic -- it is a tech support channel not a chat channel
[21:05] <pieisgood4589_> It says that I was banned by "ompaul"
[21:05] <pieisgood4589_> ?
[21:05] <pieisgood4589_> Oh...
[21:05] <pieisgood4589_> Sorry...
[21:06] <ompaul> * [h4x0r7h1s] (n=h4x0r7h1@static-70-17-254-78.bltmmd.east.verizon.net): purple
[21:07] <ompaul> that ip is not getting back
[21:07] <ompaul> for a while
[21:07] <mc44> ompaul: he's in offtopic ;)
[21:08] <ompaul> mc44, I only banned him from #ubuntu
[21:08] <ompaul> I don't play chasing
[21:10]  * mc44 chases ompaul
[21:10]  * somerville32 hugs mc44 
[21:11]  * ompaul stands stock still
[21:12] <LjL> ompaul, err, except it wasn't the *same* ip. i was just scanning for people on east.verizon.net, and his nickname looked interesting.
[21:12] <ompaul> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[21:12] <ikonia> pirate paul ?
[21:13] <ompaul> ikonia, na
[21:13] <ikonia> thought it was arrrrrrr me hearty
[21:13] <LjL> ompaul, i'll be more verbose next time i paste an address :P
[21:14] <ompaul> LjL, I am blind this evening
[21:14]  * ikonia flicks the V's at ompaul 
[21:15] <ompaul> ikonia, it will take more than vs
[21:15] <ikonia> ;)
[21:15]  * LjL flicks the W's at ompaul
[21:15] <ikonia> ha ha
[21:15] <ikonia> LjL: please don't use language like W's, this is a family friendly channel
[21:16] <LjL> www
[21:16] <ikonia> !ohmy | ljl
[21:16] <ubotu> ljl: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:16] <ikonia> ;)
[21:16] <ompaul> but not ompaul friendly
[21:16] <ompaul> you could not cope with that
[21:16] <ompaul> :P
[21:17] <ikonia> everywhere is ompaul friendly
[21:17] <ikonia> you are a national treasure
[21:17] <somerville32> 0_o
[21:17] <ompaul> ikonia, the only ompaul in village
[21:17] <LjL> www.os-ohmy.com
[21:17]  * ompaul rofl
[21:18] <ompaul> ikonia, I just worked out another gag in that tv program - village people
[21:18] <ompaul> ....
[21:18] <ompaul> ohhhhhh nooooooooooo
[21:18]  * ompaul head desks
[21:18] <ikonia> :(
[21:18] <ikonia> your status as a national treasure is in jepordy
[21:18] <ompaul> ikonia, it is funny
[21:19] <ikonia> ok
[21:19] <ikonia> I'll take your word
[21:19] <ikonia> explain
[21:19] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Njt92wgmU
[21:20] <ompaul> ikonia, in my mind it happens this way anyway
[21:22] <ompaul> :)
[21:26] <ompaul> ikonia, ?
[21:27] <ompaul> ikonia, you know I was just wondering, kinda sorta having a think, as you might think that I might think, and I want to know, since when am I an sql command string?
[21:27] <ompaul> explain that!
[21:28] <LjL> doing it for you
[21:29] <ompaul> no thanks
[21:29] <LjL> (how come i could see you speaking anyway)
[21:30] <ompaul> voiced
[21:30] <LjL> ah whops right.
[21:30] <ompaul> oppage
[21:30] <LjL> well no you weren't opped, but you were definitely voiced
[21:32] <ikonia> does voicing overwrite ban ?
[21:32] <jdong> mute
[21:32] <jdong> you cna't mute a voiced person
[21:32] <ikonia> overrule I should say
[21:32] <ikonia> ahh
[21:32] <crdlb> you can't ban a voiced person either
[21:32] <ikonia> really
[21:33] <ikonia> so if you ban and kick a voiced person can he re-join
[21:33] <crdlb> no
[21:33] <ikonia> ahhh because he's not got voice untli he joins
[21:33] <Myrtti> merh
[21:38] <ompaul> Myrtti, as in here
[21:38] <jdong> crdlb: what do you mean, you can't ban a voiced person?
[21:38] <jdong> they can't exactly get back in after you kick em :)
[21:39] <crdlb> I mean that they can still speak even with a full ban
[21:39] <jdong> crdlb: ah, ok, I guess what I'm calling mute is what you call ban
[21:40] <LjL> that's what he means
[21:41] <jdong> wait, if you're not voiced, you can't speak with a ban against you?
[21:41] <LjL> jdong: no.
[21:41] <LjL> ban > mute
[21:41] <jdong> oh
[21:41] <jdong> shows my IRC newbness then :D
[21:41] <LjL> ban doesn't let you speak *and* doesn't let you goin
[21:41] <LjL> join even
[21:41] <LjL> mute just doesn't let you speak
[21:41] <jdong> ok, that makes sense
[21:42] <LjL> still voice overrides either
[21:42] <LjL> though of course no amount of being voiced will let you join a channel you're banned from
[21:45] <LjL> still it's already the second time in two days i see unpleasant business going on with wols involved
[21:45] <LjL> pf
[21:47] <ompaul> LjL, talk with me
[21:47] <ompaul> pm
[22:03] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo all
[22:04] <LjL> hello
[22:07] <ikonia> LjL: chin up :)
[22:09] <LjL> ikonia: say wha?
[22:09] <ikonia> LjL: vocal support "keep your chin up" you sounded down due to todays dealings
[22:10] <LjL> hm well nah i'm fine, trolls amuse me. but keeping a better posture will probably help my wrist
[22:11] <ikonia> ha
[22:11] <ikonia> LjL: I think you have to be an English guy to get "chin up"
[22:11] <LjL> yeah even m-w doesn't really give any metaphorical meaning
[22:12] <ikonia> m-w ?
[22:13] <LjL> merriam webster
[22:14] <ikonia> ahhh
[22:14] <LjL> you know, what everybody uses as their online english dictionary :P
[22:14] <ikonia> yes, I know it now
[22:14] <ikonia> m-w was just a new name for it
[22:15] <LjL> well it's what the site is called
[22:15] <ikonia> always good to know
[22:17] <LjL> i'd use oxford but they charge for online lookup :)
[22:17] <ikonia> really
[22:17] <ikonia> tad naughty
[22:17]  * mc44 has a password ;)
[22:17] <LjL> or, i could use paper dictionaries but i never really learn alphabetical ordering
[22:18] <LjL> mc44 surely doesn't need one being the literate genius he is
[22:18] <mc44> sometimes even I don't know obscure 12th century definitions
[22:19] <LjL> shows how not even a superhuman being could have knowledge of everything doesn't it
[22:24] <LjL> anybody knows what is the proper procedure to get ubuntulog in a channel? just mail the address given?
[22:33] <Seeker`> LjL: http://www.askoxford.com
[22:35] <LjL> Seeker`: ah nice... any idea how compact it is compared to the non-compact dictionary?
[22:35] <Seeker`> none
[22:35] <Seeker`> but it seems to have quite a bit
[22:36] <LjL> yeah it has chin up as a figurative expression at least
[22:37] <Seeker`> I believe it is the compact one
[22:37] <LjL> it is
[22:38] <Seeker`> but it feels a bit more authorative than dictionary.com
[22:39] <ikonia> Seeker`: how cold are you tonight ?
[22:39] <Seeker`> ikonia: not too bad
[22:39] <LjL> uhm never used that, always stuck to m-w
[22:39] <Seeker`> had the heating on full since 1pm though
[22:40] <Seeker`> ikonia: how are you?
[22:41] <ikonia> Seeker`: cold, heating on  now, and fire lit
[22:45] <Seeker`> cool
[22:46] <ikonia> Seeker`: very cool actually
[22:46] <Seeker`> i meant the fire :P
[22:47] <ikonia> no no, thats hot
[22:47] <ikonia> ;)
[22:50] <ikonia> Seeker`: you should pop around one evening for a mince pie and some mulled wine
[22:50] <Seeker`> i've got stuff planned every evening for the rest of the week
[22:50] <Seeker`> and then i'm visiting my parents
[22:52] <ikonia> ahhh well
[22:52] <ikonia> just a christmas hand offered
[22:52] <Seeker`> thanks for the offer :)
[22:52] <ikonia> not at all
[23:41] <stdin> LjL: the "new" factoid would be something like:
[23:41] <stdin> If you're trying to install KDE4 RC2  but getting errors about files being overwritten, first remove all the KDE4 packages using the !Terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[23:42] <stdin> I don't like it being that long, but that about explains it
[23:44] <LjL> !no brokenkde4 is <reply> If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[23:44] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[23:45] <stdin> I'm going for the longest factoid record :p
[23:45] <stdin> now !automatix is shortened I think I have a chance
[23:46] <LjL> well as long as it's "temporary fix" factoids, i think it's ok
[23:47] <stdin> it should be, when riddell updates the announcement page it should no longer be needed