=== Mez|OnAir is now known as Mez [00:25] I hate ubuntu ops [00:25] hello to you too [00:25] kahrytan: oh. okay. [00:25] You guys love to pick on me [00:25] and if i had to second-guess you like you're doing with us, i'd say you've got some kind of victim complex [00:26] huh.. that didnt make sense. [00:26] not this guy again [00:26] kahrytan: perhaps it was my english [00:27] anyway, it was sarcasm, so not really important [00:27] i'm not sure "you guys" is accurate [00:27] I hate being picked on. [00:27] nalioth: you "people" more PC [00:27] we're people? [00:27] kahrytan: Honestly, I havent been following what your bans are about, but we dont do these type of things for no reason. [00:27] LjL: just about [00:27] ubotu, say something [00:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about say something - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [00:28] Today was no reason though. [00:28] ikonia: i don't know who kahrytan is. i don't think i'm included in his "you guys" group [00:28] kahrytan: I believe that your ban was not lifted and you were banned for evasion. [00:28] nalioth➲ i'll exclude you [00:28] nalioth: past experience suggests "you exist" so "your included" [00:28] I evaded? yeah. No I didn't [00:28] my point is that not everyone in here knows who you are or anythbing about you [00:29] kahrytan, perhaps you didn't and it was simply your ISP changing stuff [00:29] Pici➲ I just went to sleep one night, and woke up able to enter. [00:29] still, you were not "banned" today except from a strictly technical point of view [00:29] you were *already* banned [00:29] So, you just messed up then LjL [00:29] uhm, no kahrytan. [00:29] you changed your IP address. [00:30] My isp did [00:30] not my fault [00:30] and? [00:30] you were banned, your ban wasn't lifted [00:30] so you're still banned [00:30] that seems quite logical to me, whether or not it was your ISP's fault [00:30] You just didnt realize people do have dynamic ips [00:30] and your ban was rather dumb too [00:30] i do realize that, unfortunately i have to [00:30] You did it to pick on me [00:31] [00:31] kahrytan, i agree with ikonia. your attitude is far from constructive, i don't think i'm going on with this so-called conversation. [00:31] %btlogin [00:31] I dont have an attitude. [00:32] Just saying ops here like to ban me after I have stopped doing what they told me to stop. [00:32] which is rather stupid and pointless [00:34] LjL➲ you do realize I am complaining? [00:35] yes kahrytan. complains taken into consideration. [00:35] Just for my own reference, this is regarding the harrassment issue in -offtopic? [00:35] Sorta ... [00:35] which I did stop when asked. [00:36] yes Pici, although it got intermixed with the fact that he re-appeared today with a different address, as you know [00:36] LjL: please don't discount the attitude towards you and ompaul [00:37] ikonia, what attitude? oh wait, you mean the attitude he refused to show in the appropriate channels, like for instance this one [00:37] LjL➲ which isnt my fault [00:37] though i see that's being amended [00:37] LjL: yes and the way he did that, [00:37] kahrytan, you keep implying things i'm not saying [00:38] Whats being amended? [00:38] the fact that you didn't complain in the appropriate channels [00:39] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:39] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:39] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:39] LjL: can I tell you again how much I like the floodbots [00:40] looks like they are very effective [00:40] Pici: perhaps i should make the time window shorrter though, i suspect mullcom_ wasn't really a victim [00:41] i suspect otw [00:41] LjL: why not, his quit time looks correct here [00:41] lag is suspect [00:41] Pici: one second late here, after nalioth's kill [00:42] Its all at :03 here. [00:42] LjL➲ I am complaining in proper channels [00:42] kahrytan: indeed, that's what i'm saying. you weren't yesterday, you've fixed that now. although, it is my personal opinion that the way you're doing it isn't doing yourself a favor [00:43] LjL➲ I wasnt complaining yesterday [00:43] uhm well, no, you weren't complaining - on any officially logged channel, that is [00:43] but you and i know you were complaining [00:44] LjL➲ that wasnt a compliant. [00:44] ok then. [00:44] LjL➲ thats just me trying to solve a problem you got with me [00:44] well, matter of definitions. doesn't much matter i guess [00:46] I just know i'm being unfairly treated by ops. [00:47] then articulate your problem with me/us in a logical and civil manner. although perhaps it's already a bit late for that now... but that's what, in my opinion, you should have done to begin with. [00:48] LjL➲ I just did [00:48] oh. well, i think i mistook it for a meaningless rant, sorry. [00:49] i must be a bit tired [00:49] LjL➲ Yesterday was an attempt to solve problem with just you. Now I am taking to it to a group [00:50] On the one hand, No one here really gives a crap what I say. Which proves my point, I'm being unfairly treated. [00:51] it proves it to your own mind. if i had to guess, i'd say if anything it shows how starting a complain with "i hate ubuntu ops" is unlikely to attract sympathy. [00:52] LjL: I applaude your patience... goodnight... [00:53] * LjL wonders if Jack's appearance here was somehow related :) [00:53] LjL➲ I read that as, " I don't give a crap what you say" [00:54] well, i can't and won't speak of anybody else. as far as i am personally concerned, i can confirm that at this stage, no, i really don't give a crap what you say. have a good day [00:54] Which you prooved my point [00:59] i'll stay here til everyone realizes they are treating people in fairly. [01:00] which goes against the name Ubuntu [01:01] kahrytan, however i urge you to read the channel topic [01:03] Why? [01:05] I ready but why ? [01:05] I did read it? [01:06] "The IRC council reserves the right to remove idlers from the channel" [01:06] i'm not idling [01:07] no, you seemed to express your intention to however [01:07] No I didn't [01:08] Idling = Away from Keyboard. I am still physically waiting for more people to be active. [01:10] magnetron called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (lovedeatm) [01:11] and You also just prooved, LjL, that Ops do abuse me by kicking me [01:17] hello LjL, you invited me [01:17] How do I get ops to stop abusing me and treating me unfairly? [01:17] magnetron, yes i did, as you were mentioned in another channel and, as i understand it, accused of something [01:21] LjL: i only saw that you invited me. what am i accused of, and by whom? [01:21] kahrytan: what I have seen, noone have treated you unfairly [01:22] lovedeatm_: care to explain why you did "[01:14] "<<>>>>" <----explain this i have a vendetta" ? [01:22] Again, abuse by ops. [01:22] kahrytan: disagreed [01:22] kicked me for doing pasting without warning...pissed me off cuz i didnt know [01:22] ive done it before nobody told me i wasnt allowed to do it [01:23] he pmed me about the copy bin [01:23] mmm [01:23] and then kicked me that was it [01:23] i dont thik it was fair [01:23] lovedeatm_, magnetron didn't kick you, i did. [01:24] according to the logs when i scrolled back he atcivated it..so i accuse him [01:25] [Mon Dec 10 2007] [20:11:17] !ops | lovedeatm [01:25] you can't accuse him [01:25] lovedeatm_, that was a call to operators, then operators are called to judge the call. [01:25] and lovedeatm_, i kicked/banned you seeing you were flooding the channel, then read it more carefully and realized it wasn't a malicious flood - just a flood - and unbanned you. how were you harmed? [01:26] ok well i don't know that im very extremely new to linux meanwhile why do you think ti was fair to kick me and as fast [01:26] it was literly like you had some kinda auto kick thinkg goin on [01:26] lovedeatm_, the kick and ban stopped the flood, it was not entirely meant to hurt you. it's common practice [01:26] lovedeatm_: I think LjL just admitted he made a mistake ;) [01:27] agian i don't know this...and all is forgiven [01:27] Tm_T, no, it's common practice to kb to stop a flood [01:27] i made a mistake to and im srry as well [01:27] elkbuntu: yes, I know [01:27] Tm_T: not really, no. things scroll fast, especially when a flood is ongoing, so banning and *then* reading is a practice i don't discourage [01:28] LjL: I know, what I meant, you realised you can lift ban immediately, I misworded, sorry === lovedeatm_ is now known as lovedeatm [01:28] lovedeatm_, it's alright for all i'm concerned. i do suggest that you don't accuse people like that, though... if you're new, try to understand how things work - that doesn't mean you should shut up if you feel you're being treated unfairly, but semi-random accusations aren't good either === lovedeatm is now known as lovedeatm_ [01:29] i understand..but it wasnt well i gues it was semi random but yeah ok [01:29] well thanks ill know that for now on [01:29] lovedeatm_, have you been shown the guidelines? [01:29] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [01:29] lovedeatm_, feel free to join this channel and ask, if anything isn't clear to you [01:30] no everything is clear...thank you [01:30] ims sorry for flooding i didnt know [01:30] you were jsut doing your job [01:31] stdin called the ops in #ubuntu () [01:31] lol wow i see what you mean [01:32] heh [01:32] LjL, i think the floodbots got it right :) [01:33] elkbuntu, they certainly did. pity there weren't enough ACTIONs to actually make them start banning === lovedeatm_ is now known as lovedeatm [01:33] i'd have liked to see that [01:33] those floodbots seem pretty smart [01:33] LjL, baby steps. it's great just having the warning when we're not looking in the channel [01:34] stdin: did you not see myself and LjL set modes just before that started? [01:34] magnetron: can I ask who you are and why you are here? just curious :) [01:34] well i wasn't looking anymore to be honest, i thought +rR would kill it [01:35] Tm_T, i invited magnetron here since he was called into cause because of a ban in #ubuntu-offtopic [01:35] ah, roger [01:35] nalioth: yep, but if I call ops then it's less likely 10 people will simultaneously [01:35] i'm glad the issue i was called here for was resolved so easily. Tm_T, i am here LjL invited me [01:35] magnetron: hi and welcome to eaglesnest [01:35] i think i'll leave now LjL [01:35] Tm_T: ty [01:36] yeah srry magnetron [01:36] lataz peeps [01:36] lovedeatm: cu [01:36] magnetron, sure, i think the issue seems settled now [01:36] LjL, why did you think it would kill it? previous mass joins have shown that they simply do their spam with what they've managed to get in [01:36] only if they're registered elkbuntu [01:36] which i (stupidly, if you want) assumed they weren't [01:37] these were all registered, too [01:37] LjL, with bots, i find it's best to assume the worst. i think nalioth would agree [01:37] er, they _were_ registered [01:37] y0 p33pz lol 5houtz 2 h0mez rofl lataz [01:37] mneptok: ok, I marry you [01:38] ummm, what? [01:38] nalioth, i know, i said i *assumed* they weren't. it clearly showed to be a wrong assumption [01:38] * nalioth spilled some bleach in nickservs notebook [01:41] LjL: Just a quick note.. I had no vested interest in your discussion... Just stopped in on my way out to say goodnight.. [01:41] heh ok :) goodnight [01:41] and a hug? [01:41] * LjL now steps back [01:41] Sure.. I give great hugs... ask my wife of 30 years... [01:42] Jack_Sparrow: she stopped returning my ephone calls ~30 years ago [02:10] In ubotu, atoponce said: no ops-#ubuntu-us is Help: atoponce etank jono nixternal pleia2 zelut [02:29] please test me for the dcc exploit [02:29] I was sent to some channel for it [02:30] just got on my pc and followed the instructions [02:30] guess not [02:31] rabidweezle: have you restarted your client after making the changes? [02:31] yep [02:31] :/ [02:31] I'm using xchat [02:32] I set the port to the different port [02:32] 8001 [02:32] and you restarted it? [02:32] looks like it reset itself [02:32] :/ [02:32] no [02:33] click the [X] in the upper right corner [02:33] I went back into the settings and it reverted [02:33] the client has to be restarted after changing the port [02:33] try it now? [02:34] looks like it sticked [02:34] let's see [02:34] it's beyond bull that we have to do this [02:35] * Received a malformed DCC request from nalioth. [02:35] * Contents of packet: DCC SEND THISISNOTATESTOFTHESYSTEM [02:35] rabidweezle: DO NOT DO THAT [02:35] * nalioth headdesks [02:35] do what? [02:35] don't copy and paste it back [02:35] you just attacked everyone in this channel :( [02:35] omg [02:35] how in the heck [02:35] sorry :( [02:36] didn't know [02:36] :) [02:36] I mean :( [02:36] lucky for us, we're all immune [02:36] * rabidweezle nods nods [02:36] rabidweezle: you can rejoin #ubuntu now, and thanks for putting up with us [02:36] ok [02:37] so is that exploit the server's fault? [02:37] no [02:37] no, it's your routers fault :) but switching port works around that [02:38] it's your router softwares doing [02:38] my router is a laptop [02:38] hooked to a hotspot [02:38] so it's their router's fault [02:38] lol [02:39] is there a way to fix the router? (I can login to it) [02:39] if there is an update to it's firmware then it *may* have a fix, but it may not [02:39] there is about a 50% success rate with new firmware [02:40] I shouldn't mess with it's firmware since well, I just can't knock on my neighbor's door and go, "Can you reset your router?" [02:41] hehe [02:41] resetting the port is the surefire method, anyway [02:41] for sure [02:41] thanks for keeping us informed, and death to the trolls that are doing this to us [02:42] but WHY would they attack us? [02:42] I mean, it's not like it don't auto-rejoin... ...and we are just the nice opensource guys [02:43] unless microsoft hired alot of 9 year old hackers *starts a conspiracy theory* [02:43] * rabidweezle stops and just toddles off to the offtopic channel [02:43] thanks again [02:45] hello u guys think i have some sort of dcc bug on my router.... [02:46] i have read the fix but i want to know more about it [02:49] TheFishy: just wait for an ubuntu op to wake up [02:49] well i just want to know more about it... do u know about it? [02:50] what do you want to know? [02:50] well is the exploit just purely from connecting through the 6667 port? [02:50] no, it's a bug in your routers software [02:51] connecting on a different port is a workaround to that === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso [02:51] my routers software? its a netgear with the highest firmware [02:51] well it has a bug, one they haven't bothered to fix [02:52] what can happen if i dont fix it? [02:52] when someone attacks #ubuntu it will force your connection to the server to drop [02:52] it can be exploited [02:53] all the exploit is, is it will disconnect you [02:53] i haven't been dropped from this server yet... [02:53] and then you'll be banned from #ubuntu and sent to #ubuntu-read-topic when that happens [02:54] if you were sent to #ubuntu-read-topic, then it was [02:54] "[00:39] <-- TheFishy has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))" [02:54] (time's in UTC) [02:57] that was just peer... [02:57] peer always restarts people [02:57] you are the peer :) [02:58] O_o [02:58] hmm [02:58] it means your router reset the connection suddenly [03:00] etank called the ops in #ubuntu-us () [03:00] disregard ^ [03:18] ok so i installed new firmware [03:18] any way to test this exploit? [03:19] TheFIshy: sure [03:21] TheFIshy: guess you need to switch to port 8001 [03:21] ugh lame is this on all irc servers [03:22] TheFIshy: this is in your router [03:22] that makes no sense [03:22] what ports do i block to stop it? === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso [04:14] he could block 6667 and 8001, that would work /me snickers [06:32] In ubotu, nealmcb said: !mail server is Ubuntu provides mail client and mail server software of all kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation or with the tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/email-services.html [06:33] I'm teaching ubotu about some server stuff, which the server team has been discussing recently - see the "factoids" section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap [07:00] The next server team meeting is at 16:00 UTC later today. I'm headed to bed now and will part here, but I'll stay logged in overnight if you want to leave a message. Thanks! === SWAT__ is now known as SWAT [07:44] LjL -- how long was my ban set for? [07:46] ..or if any of the other ops know? ... :( [08:17] may I be allowed to join Ubuntu-offtopic again? [08:25] Kagar, LjL set the ban, I cannot see why [09:46] kahryten has gone to the ML btw. (nalioth ljl mneptok) [10:03] in #ubuntu.... asking for help compiling a porn dialer [10:04] lol [10:56] * Hobbsee wishes people would actually read the topics, and not act surprised when they get punished for not following them. [10:56] wheres the topic again? [10:58] * Hobbsee beats Gary [10:58] mmm [10:58] help, help, I'm being repressed! === GazzaK is now known as Gary [11:36] Juhaz called the ops in #ubuntu () [12:10] morning [12:10] afternoon actually , just [12:50] * jussi01 sighs at the guy on the ML... [12:51] jussi01, yeah, we saw. we suspect it's probably a freenode issue now [12:52] elkbuntu: ahhh... k Just read up and saw PriceChild's comments [12:52] yeah, i spoke with him in PM about it already [12:53] why is it a freenode issue now? [12:53] Seeker`, he decided to flood a staffer [12:53] Seeker`, then k-lined [12:55] ah, ok === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [13:00] whats the linky to the ban tracker? (and is it working right at the mo?) [13:00] @btlogin [13:01] Seeker`, ubotu gets rid of spaces no? [13:01] !ping [13:01] pong [13:01] no [13:01] @btlogin I don't think this works for me? [13:01] Invalid arguments for btlogin. [13:01] I didn't get a pm from ubotu [13:01] @btlogin [13:01] @btlogin [13:02] @btlogin [13:02] yeah, the bot hates me - Error: Authntication failed [13:02] the bantracker is moody at the best of times [13:02] damit, thats one more, and thats a bot... :'( [13:02] Gary, he hates us all equally, if that helps any? [13:03] I wanted to look at Kagar's ban notes [13:03] Gary: is there anything specific you want to know? [13:03] ah, ok [13:03] Gary, do you have a login to the bantracker? [13:03] PriceChild, nope :'( [13:03] as in did seveas turn it on for you? [13:03] no [13:04] Gary, poke him next time you see him to then [13:04] will do [13:07] no, you can't have a pony [13:37] Seveas: are you dishing out coal ? [13:40] no, pony dung [13:40] it may or may not be fossilised [13:42] either way a generous offer from Seveas [14:20] Seveas, but I wanna pony [14:21] I want doesn't get [14:21] meh [14:23] yay pony [14:24] hihi [14:25] Hi! [14:25] donkey donkey donkey [14:26] badger badger badger [14:26] MUSHROOM MUSHROOM [14:26] ! [14:26] ha ha,just seen Hobbsee's kick message [14:26] * Gary cries [14:26] I missed that first time [14:26] * Pici pats ikonia [14:26] sorry, I'm clearly slow [14:27] Pici: although the pat is appriciated [14:30] Hobbsee is just a big 'orrid bully [14:30] . [14:30] see [14:31] I refer you, kind sir/madam to the /topic of #ubuntu-offtopic [14:32] bad hobbsee, repressing gary. go sit in a corner [14:32] lol [14:32] boring [14:32] repressed in a Python style ? [14:33] ROFL! [14:33] a bit of fun to lighten the day [14:33] nice [14:42] I wish to make a complaint [14:43] * Pici files Gary in triplicate [14:43] I feel that the bantracker might have slighty un justified bans :p [14:44] * Gary got scared when he searched for Gary/GazzaK [14:44] In ubotu, nealmcb said: !JeOS is JeOS (pronounced "Juice") is Just enough Operating System. It is an efficient variant of the Ubuntu Server operating system, configured specifically for virtual appliances. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos for more information. [14:44] !jeos [14:44] Sorry, I don't know anything about jeos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [14:44] it really means just enough operating system? [14:44] yup [14:44] yes iirc [14:45] LjL: yes [14:45] * LjL refuses to add the factoid due to the hideously horrid name [14:45] !JeOS is JeOS (pronounced "Juice") is Just enough Operating System. It is an efficient variant of the Ubuntu Server operating system, configured specifically for virtual appliances. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos for more information. [14:45] I'll remember that, Pici [14:45] * Daviey suggests LjL stops being an authorised add-er then :) [14:46] * LjL thinks he has a right to not add factoids he finds ugly [14:46] Pici: what do you class as a virualised appliance ? [14:47] ikonia: anything that needs a buzzword [14:47] * Pici shrugs [14:47] fair enough [14:47] never heard that term [14:48] I was thinking like a virtualised palm pilot or something like that [14:48] or a video recorder [14:48] ikonia i think vmware mostly started the term [14:48] with player [14:48] so a nonsense phrase then [14:49] I've got a bunch of other factoids at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap for the server team. Mathias said to put the ones that are ready in now, and update later as necessary. Should I add them, or ask you to do it and the updates? [14:49] ikonia, mostly. the idea, i think, is that you have systems that do something pretty specific (the typical example is a web browsing kiosk) running on a VM to avoid messing up with the real machine [14:50] LjL: an interesting though, but seeing as unusal kit like that normally has problems due to the hardware, virtualisation doesn't seem a good resource to me [14:50] nealmcb, i'm going to review and add in #ubuntu-bots (to avoid people crying "spam" in here) [14:50] LjL: cool [14:51] ikonia, you're the past, virtual appliances are the future. 'nuff said [14:51] * ikonia retires [14:53] see you later..... [14:53] (and in bot-land) [15:40] Pici: you can pull that last ban [15:40] nalioth: thanks for the update [15:45] jrib: they're all being klined [15:45] ah [15:46] nalioth: this happening across freenode? or just here? [15:46] afaik #ubuntu [16:09] In #ubuntu-kernel, FlashBiker said: ubotu: so there is no kernel that supports my hardware? [16:09] !bot > FlashBiker [16:09] !bot > FlashBiker [16:09] :-D [16:09] gotcha [16:11]