fujin_anyone run Munin, in particular postfix_mailstats?00:09
fujin_you do?00:28
fujin_danp: ping00:28
danpi do00:30
fujin_I'm trying to get postfix_mailstats on 3 servers00:30
fujin_into one 'total' mail throughput graph00:30
fujin_know how to do that?00:30
fujin_the documented methods aren't working00:30
danpi think i've seen examples but i've never tried it myself00:30
fujin_it looks like munin has gone stale aswell00:31
fujin_bloody hell00:31
stansmithi just installed ubuntu-server, and then i did "sudo apt-get install xorg gdm fluxbox", but flux is owned by root and i cant configure anything as a normal user, where did i go wrong?01:04
Sieryou did wrong by leaving the channel.01:06
nealmcbSier: well, this is the wrong channel for flux questions....01:09
Burgundavialots of people ask questions and then leave01:41
BurgundaviaI have been guilty of it a few times myself01:41
kgoetzitll be one of those 'server needs gui so using flux' people01:42
zulheh twm would be better01:49
fujin_anyone around familiar with munin / postfix_mailstats?02:07
fujin_anyone know *anything* about munin?02:27
antdedyetfujin_: I used munin a little a long time ago on debian02:36
davekempemunin is a monitoring system or something right?02:59
davekempelike cacti03:04
fujin_like cacti, except without the bloat03:08
antdedyetfujin_: are you just telling us about munin? :)03:13
fujin_antdedyet: no, davekempe was asking about it03:13
fujin_i had an issue which i've sinced resolved through hackery03:13
antdedyetah ok ...03:13
* antdedyet goes back to finding a way to put mutliple gigabytes of data inside a kvm image without waiting on the slow network throughput ... seems like a loop mount could work03:16
davekempeantdedyet, do you know of gigabit NIC support in kvm?03:17
antdedyetdavekempe: no, I don't think I've explored that far yet ... the qemu man page only lists low-level driver names for supported nics, but I don't yet normally recognize a gigabit chipset by it's name and haven't considered journeying further when it just seems there should be a way to mount an image's filesystem and dump a file in there at disk io speeds.03:21
davekempesure but you will have to take the guest offline03:23
antdedyetdavekempe: that is definately a problem. I guess most situations may not have kvm running on a laptop.03:25
davekempethe only solutions i have seen for sharing a file system with a kvm guest and host involve a network file system like smb03:26
antdedyetsmb is just as slow as apache or rsync over ssh...03:27
antdedyetI guess if kvm were to have special hooks for a shared disk, it wouldn't continue to necessarily be the type of virtual machine most expects.03:28
davekempeyeah openvz is more like that :)03:31
davekempe40ru for main site03:34
davekempe25ru dr site03:36
davekempethats with the coolhreads boxen. less ru, less power, more work done03:37
Bawbatosanyone tell me why trying to stop bind or shut down hangs bind for like 10 mins03:52
Bawbatoscan my firewall keep bind from stoping03:56
nictukuBawbatos, unlikely03:56
Bawbatosyah. okay.03:57
nictukuBawbatos, how busy is your DNS server?03:57
Bawbatoshome box. just installed03:57
nictukuBawbatos, oh.03:57
Bawbatosroot@cork:/home/rahafeez# /etc/init.d/bind9 stop03:57
Bawbatos * Stopping domain name service... bind03:57
Bawbatosrndc: connect failed: timed out03:57
nictukuso it's not running after all03:58
Bawbatosno it is03:58
Bawbatosbind      4894     1  0 19:44 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind03:58
fujin_firewall rules?03:58
Bawbatosthat is what i am thinking03:58
kgoetzon loop back?03:58
Bawbatosi hate iptables so much03:58
nictukuBawbatos, oh in that case it could be firewall rules03:58
kgoetzyour a little paranoid ;)03:58
nictukuBawbatos, preventing a connection to the loopback interface03:58
fujin_iptables-save > poos03:58
nictukukgoetz, hehehe03:58
Bawbatosno, i am not as far as i no.03:59
fujin_iptables -F && /etc/init.d/bind9 stop03:59
davekempethats not firewall rules - your rndc.key file doesnt match the one specified in your config04:02
nictukudavekempe, could be. but why the delay?04:03
davekempetimeout on the init script?04:03
davekempeit doesnt actually stop it04:03
Bawbatosi hate iptables!04:33
Bawbatosif i have a script i wrote for iptables, what is the best way to have the server run it at boot04:33
kgoetzput it in /etc/networking/if-up.d/04:34
kgoetzwell. its simplest, probably not necesarily best04:34
Bawbatosso if i put it there it just runs. i do not have to do anything else?04:37
kgoetzmake sure its +x04:37
Bawbatoswill it run after all 3 interfaces come up04:37
kgoetzit should run each time an interface comes up (hence being a little hackish)04:37
Bawbatosah okay thanks.04:38
Bawbatossorry going from PF to iptables and pulling my hair out.04:38
kgoetzfair enough04:38
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ubotuJeOS (pronounced "Juice") is Just enough Operating System.  It is an efficient variant of the Ubuntu Server operating system, configured specifically for virtual appliances. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos for more information.14:47
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nealmcbserver team meeting in an hour and 10 minutes - #ubuntu-meeting14:47
ubotuA Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is the server software that sends and queues mail. "postfix" is the default MTA for Ubuntu, and "exim" is also officially supported. For help, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto - See also !MailServer, !MUA and !MDA14:54
lamontnealmcb: are you testing ubotu's response?14:54
ubotuThunderbird is a free email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox (both by the Mozilla Foundation). To make Thunderbird links open in Firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6042714:56
nealmcblamont: in #ubuntu-bots, ljl  is adding new factoids from the wiki page, and tying them in to existing ones.  I'm watching and demonstrating them here14:57
ubotuA Mail User Agent (MUA) is the application you use to read mail. Examples include Evolution, !Thunderbird and mutt. They are alternatives to programs like Windows Outlook. See also !MailServer, !MTA and !MDA14:57
* lamont -> office14:58
nealmcb!mail server14:59
ubotuUbuntu provides mail client and mail server software of all kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation or with the "tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/email-services.html14:59
nealmcbsommer: Have you reviewed the community/MailServer page?  I thought it would be potentially more up-to-date which is why I listed both it and the latest ubuntu server guide.  but I think we also really want a way to refer to the mail section of the most recent ubuntu server guide15:01
ubotuIMAP and POP are protocols for fetching email. The officially-supported server in Ubuntu is Dovecot (packages "dovecot-imapd" for IMAP, and "dovecot-pop3d" for POP) - See also !MailServer15:01
sommernealmcb: I've stumbled accross it a couple of times.  I've done most of my updating on the "sub-pages" though Postfix, Dovecot, etc.15:03
sommernealmcb: when you say "most recent ubuntu server guide" do you mean the latest released version?15:04
sommernealmcb: or the currently version under development?15:04
sommergotcha, I'll work on updating that page this week15:06
ubotuInformation about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)15:12
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ubotuA Mail Delivery Agent (MDA) is the server software for local delivery and rewriting of messages. The default MDA (and !MTA) on Ubuntu is !postfix ("procmail" or "dovecot" can also be used). See also !MailServer and !MUA15:33
* lamont grumbles about nealmcb highlighting him.15:33
lamontonly minor grubleage.15:33
lamontgrumbleage even15:33
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nealmcbwhat are your preferences related to highlighting?15:35
zuluh when is the meeting again?15:39
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ubotuUbuntu provides mail client and mail server software of all kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation or with the "tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/email-services.html15:56
ScottKnealmcb: So Ubuntu provides Microsoft Exchange? (how about ... software of many kinds vice all kinds)?16:02
nealmcbScottK: aren't there some exchange-interoperation projects out there?16:06
ScottKnealmcb: Sure, but we don't provide everything.  Just some things.16:07
mralphabetnealmcb: that may be true, but ubuntu doesn't provide *all* software packages out there16:07
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nealmcb"Ubuntu provides a comprehensive variety of mail client and mail server software"?17:12
DM|is it possible to run a graphical window through ssh -X on server without having to install GNOME and GDM?17:12
DM|I want it rather lightweight, but I also want a graphical window for firestarter , would installing the GTK stuff weight down the server any?17:14
zulit shouldnt17:16
DM|but is it possible to run a graphical window through ssh -x to a ubnut-server without GDM/GNOME or other DEs installed17:16
nealmcbsure - you just need the x11 libraries and such - though I'm not sure of the best package for that...17:20
nealmcbDM|: perhaps libx11-6 is all you would need, with ssh forwarding17:23
* ScottK suggests whatever the standard metapackage is for xubuntu.17:23
nealmcbScottK: why include a window manager etc?17:23
DM|nealmcb ok ill try that thanks17:23
nealmcbhmm- maybe not....17:24
ScottKnealmcb: Because it was an easy way to make sure he got everything he needed.  Dunno if it'd be the best way.17:24
nealmcbmost apps will want more than just x11 - at least gnome libraries etc for most - sigh17:25
nealmcbe.g. last I looked for print server management, xubuntu didn't have something, though cupsys does it via http which works fine17:26
nealmcbDM|: also, for hardy, the plan is to support ebox so  graphical admin via the web is easy17:26
DM|i prefer ssh atm17:30
sorennealmcb: That's what dependencies are for.. When he installs the gui thing he wants, it'll install all the stuff it needs to be able to run.17:31
sorenDM|: Just install whatever application you want + possibly xauth. That should be sufficient.17:31
sorenI'd be *very* surprised if that wasn't the case.17:31
DM|I think ill just learn how to edit iptables, i need to anyway17:32
DM|i wanted to run firestarted graphical17:32
nijabasommer: for an install with all task, 1G min (vmdk size = 964M, df show 978M usage)17:32
nijaba958M usage17:33
nealmcbsoren: very true.  we haven't talked about that option much and I guess I'm just trying to figure out what fraction of the whole gnome or desktop tangle would be needed for e.g. gadmintools and whether it is a good option to document.  I'm guessing that it is, but it's just bigger than I thought at first17:38
sommernijaba: awesome thanks, should have that updated later today17:39
sorenIf gadmintools needs something that it doesn't explicitly state a dependency on, that's a serious bug.17:39
nealmcbnijaba: thanks!  I wonder what the big space users are there - seems bigger than I would have though17:39
sorenYou should be able to just apt-get install whatever package and be ready to run it.17:39
nijabanealmcb: do you want a full du report? ;)17:39
nealmcbsoren: sure - I'm talking about recommendations and being forewarned about the size of the install.  but the tools should work!17:40
sommerare there going to be any new install tasks for Hardy?17:42
nealmcbnijaba: nah - just the results of the other 30 ways to install 5 tasksels :-)17:42
nijabanealmcb: by far, mysql seems to be the fattest17:44
nealmcbinteresting....  vs postgres?17:45
nijabanealmcb: postgresql is quite slim as a base install17:50
* nealmcb always liked postgresql17:51
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Bawbatosany good docs, or tools for setting up an server to server ipsec tunnel20:36
zulcheck google?20:47
Bawbatosyes, and like everything with linux there are 10000 differnet choices, etc.20:52
Bawbatosi was hoping for, we use this tool on our server and it is great sorta answer.20:53
fujin_I always find myself checking Gentoo's wiki, whenever I get stuck20:55
fujin_as many community people write tutorials, example "ipsec site:gentoo-wiki.com"20:55
nictukufujin_: indeed it's a wonderful resource20:55
fujin_Bawbatos: all you really need are the ipsec tools ("racoon")20:56
Bawbatosthank you.20:56
micahfhey guys, how hard is it to squeeze ubuntu server onto a 1 gb drive?22:14
micahfI don't need a GUI environment22:15
micahfI just need to be able to serve files, perhaps run an HTTP server, and maybe stream audio22:15
ScottKIt should be quite doable depending on how much data you have.22:16
nealmcbmicahf: a bare-bones server install is just under 500 MB without the user data, logs etc22:20
nealmcb..or any services... :-)22:20
nealmcbso it depends on what sort of server you want to run22:21
micahfthat doesn't seem too terrible22:21
micahfprimarily I want NAS22:21
micahfso I'm leaning toward freeNAS22:21
micahfbut I would like to be able to expand in the future, maybe adding some other services22:21
micahfespecially audio/video streaming22:22
micahfnealmcb: I have a small hard drive for storing things like logs and stuff that doesn't need to be too fast22:24
macdI think you could build a smaller install fairly easy by just doing a debootstrap install then installing just what you need22:49
mjbrooksam I supposed to be seeing the entire RAID5 array during the install?22:53
mjbrooksI'm attempting to install Gutsy server on a Dell PE2650 with a Perc RAID controller, but when I get to the partitioning part of the install it's showing all 587GBs available... the controller is set up with RAID5, shouldn't that mean I see less than that?23:03
fujinmjbrooks: that is odd, generally with the perc5i cards you should only see one disk23:57
fujinare you sure it's configured correctly, saved your raid setup etc?23:58

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