[00:09] <fujin_> anyone run Munin, in particular postfix_mailstats?
[00:19] <danp> yeah
[00:28] <fujin_> you do?
[00:28] <fujin_> danp: ping
[00:30] <danp> i do
[00:30] <fujin_> I'm trying to get postfix_mailstats on 3 servers
[00:30] <fujin_> into one 'total' mail throughput graph
[00:30] <fujin_> know how to do that?
[00:30] <fujin_> the documented methods aren't working
[00:30] <danp> i think i've seen examples but i've never tried it myself
[00:30] <fujin_> Damn.
[00:31] <fujin_> it looks like munin has gone stale aswell
[00:31] <fujin_> bloody hell
[01:04] <stansmith> i just installed ubuntu-server, and then i did "sudo apt-get install xorg gdm fluxbox", but flux is owned by root and i cant configure anything as a normal user, where did i go wrong?
[01:06] <Sier> you did wrong by leaving the channel.
[01:09] <nealmcb> Sier: well, this is the wrong channel for flux questions....
[01:38] <Sier> =x
[01:41] <Burgundavia> lots of people ask questions and then leave
[01:41] <Burgundavia> I have been guilty of it a few times myself
[01:42] <kgoetz> itll be one of those 'server needs gui so using flux' people
[01:49] <zul> heh twm would be better
[02:07] <fujin_> anyone around familiar with munin / postfix_mailstats?
[02:27] <fujin_> anyone know *anything* about munin?
[02:36] <antdedyet> fujin_: I used munin a little a long time ago on debian
[02:36] <fujin_> heh
[02:59] <davekempe> munin is a monitoring system or something right?
[03:02] <fujin_> graphing
[03:04] <davekempe> like cacti
[03:08] <fujin_> yeah
[03:08] <fujin_> like cacti, except without the bloat
[03:09] <fujin_> http://provdb.maxnet.net.nz/munin/
[03:13] <antdedyet> fujin_: are you just telling us about munin? :)
[03:13] <fujin_> antdedyet: no, davekempe was asking about it
[03:13] <fujin_> i had an issue which i've sinced resolved through hackery
[03:13] <antdedyet> ah ok ...
[03:16]  * antdedyet goes back to finding a way to put mutliple gigabytes of data inside a kvm image without waiting on the slow network throughput ... seems like a loop mount could work
[03:17] <davekempe> antdedyet, do you know of gigabit NIC support in kvm?
[03:21] <antdedyet> davekempe: no, I don't think I've explored that far yet ... the qemu man page only lists low-level driver names for supported nics, but I don't yet normally recognize a gigabit chipset by it's name and haven't considered journeying further when it just seems there should be a way to mount an image's filesystem and dump a file in there at disk io speeds.
[03:23] <davekempe> sure but you will have to take the guest offline
[03:25] <antdedyet> davekempe: that is definately a problem. I guess most situations may not have kvm running on a laptop.
[03:26] <davekempe> the only solutions i have seen for sharing a file system with a kvm guest and host involve a network file system like smb
[03:27] <antdedyet> smb is just as slow as apache or rsync over ssh...
[03:28] <antdedyet> I guess if kvm were to have special hooks for a shared disk, it wouldn't continue to necessarily be the type of virtual machine most expects.
[03:31] <davekempe> yeah openvz is more like that :)
[03:34] <davekempe> 40ru for main site
[03:36] <davekempe> 25ru dr site
[03:37] <davekempe> thats with the coolhreads boxen. less ru, less power, more work done
[03:52] <Bawbatos> anyone tell me why trying to stop bind or shut down hangs bind for like 10 mins
[03:56] <Bawbatos> can my firewall keep bind from stoping
[03:56] <nictuku> Bawbatos, unlikely
[03:57] <Bawbatos> yah. okay.
[03:57] <nictuku> Bawbatos, how busy is your DNS server?
[03:57] <Bawbatos> home box. just installed
[03:57] <nictuku> Bawbatos, oh.
[03:57] <Bawbatos> root@cork:/home/rahafeez# /etc/init.d/bind9 stop
[03:57] <Bawbatos>  * Stopping domain name service... bind
[03:57] <Bawbatos> rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: timed out
[03:57] <Bawbatos> hum.
[03:58] <nictuku> so it's not running after all
[03:58] <Bawbatos> no it is
[03:58] <Bawbatos> bind      4894     1  0 19:44 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind
[03:58] <fujin_> firewall rules?
[03:58] <Bawbatos> that is what i am thinking
[03:58] <kgoetz> on loop back?
[03:58] <Bawbatos> i hate iptables so much
[03:58] <nictuku> Bawbatos, oh in that case it could be firewall rules
[03:58] <kgoetz> your a little paranoid ;)
[03:58] <nictuku> Bawbatos, preventing a connection to the loopback interface
[03:58] <fujin_> iptables-save > poos
[03:58] <nictuku> kgoetz, hehehe
[03:58] <fujin_> pastie
[03:59] <Bawbatos> no, i am not as far as i no.
[03:59] <fujin_> iptables -F && /etc/init.d/bind9 stop
[03:59] <fujin_> ;]
[04:02] <davekempe> thats not firewall rules - your rndc.key file doesnt match the one specified in your config
[04:03] <nictuku> davekempe, could be. but why the delay?
[04:03] <davekempe> timeout on the init script?
[04:03] <davekempe> it doesnt actually stop it
[04:33] <Bawbatos> i hate iptables!
[04:33] <Bawbatos> if i have a script i wrote for iptables, what is the best way to have the server run it at boot
[04:34] <kgoetz> put it in /etc/networking/if-up.d/
[04:34] <kgoetz> well. its simplest, probably not necesarily best
[04:36] <Bawbatos> thanks
[04:37] <Bawbatos> so if i put it there it just runs. i do not have to do anything else?
[04:37] <kgoetz> make sure its +x
[04:37] <Bawbatos> thanks.
[04:37] <Bawbatos> will it run after all 3 interfaces come up
[04:37] <kgoetz> it should run each time an interface comes up (hence being a little hackish)
[04:38] <Bawbatos> ah okay thanks.
[04:38] <Bawbatos> sorry going from PF to iptables and pulling my hair out.
[04:38] <kgoetz> fair enough
[14:47] <nealmcb> !jeos
[14:47] <ubotu> JeOS (pronounced "Juice") is Just enough Operating System.  It is an efficient variant of the Ubuntu Server operating system, configured specifically for virtual appliances. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos for more information.
[14:47] <sommer> sweet
[14:47] <sommer> !orangejeos
[14:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about orangejeos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:47] <nealmcb> server team meeting in an hour and 10 minutes - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:47] <nealmcb> :-)
[14:47] <sommer> ahhh
[14:54] <nealmcb> !mta
[14:54] <ubotu> A Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is the server software that sends and queues mail. "postfix" is the default MTA for Ubuntu, and "exim" is also officially supported. For help, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto - See also !MailServer, !MUA and !MDA
[14:54] <lamont> nealmcb: are you testing ubotu's response?
[14:56] <nealmcb> !thunderbird
[14:56] <ubotu> Thunderbird is a free email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox (both by the Mozilla Foundation). To make Thunderbird links open in Firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[14:57] <nealmcb> lamont: in #ubuntu-bots, ljl  is adding new factoids from the wiki page, and tying them in to existing ones.  I'm watching and demonstrating them here
[14:57] <nealmcb> !mua
[14:57] <ubotu> A Mail User Agent (MUA) is the application you use to read mail. Examples include Evolution, !Thunderbird and mutt. They are alternatives to programs like Windows Outlook. See also !MailServer, !MTA and !MDA
[14:58] <lamont> kewl.
[14:58]  * lamont -> office
[14:59] <nealmcb> !mail server
[14:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu provides mail client and mail server software of all kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation or with the "tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/email-services.html
[15:01] <nealmcb> sommer: Have you reviewed the community/MailServer page?  I thought it would be potentially more up-to-date which is why I listed both it and the latest ubuntu server guide.  but I think we also really want a way to refer to the mail section of the most recent ubuntu server guide
[15:01] <nealmcb> !imap
[15:01] <ubotu> IMAP and POP are protocols for fetching email. The officially-supported server in Ubuntu is Dovecot (packages "dovecot-imapd" for IMAP, and "dovecot-pop3d" for POP) - See also !MailServer
[15:03] <sommer> nealmcb: I've stumbled accross it a couple of times.  I've done most of my updating on the "sub-pages" though Postfix, Dovecot, etc.
[15:04] <sommer> nealmcb: when you say "most recent ubuntu server guide" do you mean the latest released version?
[15:04] <sommer> nealmcb: or the currently version under development?
[15:05] <sommer> s/currently/current
[15:05] <nealmcb> released
[15:06] <sommer> gotcha, I'll work on updating that page this week
[15:07] <nealmcb> :-))
[15:12] <nealmcb> !time
[15:12] <ubotu> Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)
[15:25] <nealmcb> !proxy
[15:25] <ubotu> #ubuntu and related channels prohibit access from proxy servers due to a high level of abuse. Project cloaks allowed: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:25] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:25] <nealmcb> !proxies
[15:25] <ubotu> "Proxies" are services acting as intermediate agents in various sorts of Internet connections. Examples are !TOR, !apt-proxy, and HTTP proxies (such as "squid"). It is possible to install and use Ubuntu via some proxy connections: see FIXME
[15:33] <nealmcb> !mda
[15:33] <ubotu> A Mail Delivery Agent (MDA) is the server software for local delivery and rewriting of messages. The default MDA (and !MTA) on Ubuntu is !postfix ("procmail" or "dovecot" can also be used). See also !MailServer and !MUA
[15:33]  * lamont grumbles about nealmcb highlighting him.
[15:33] <lamont> only minor grubleage.
[15:33] <lamont> grumbleage even
[15:34] <lamont> and gone
[15:35] <nealmcb> what are your preferences related to highlighting?
[15:39] <zul> uh when is the meeting again?
[15:40] <soren> 20 minutes
[15:40] <mralphabet> 20 minutes
[15:43] <nealmcb> !proxy
[15:43] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:43] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:55] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[15:56] <nealmcb> !smtp
[15:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu provides mail client and mail server software of all kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation or with the "tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/email-services.html
[16:02] <ScottK> nealmcb: So Ubuntu provides Microsoft Exchange? (how about ... software of many kinds vice all kinds)?
[16:06] <nealmcb> ScottK: aren't there some exchange-interoperation projects out there?
[16:07] <ScottK> nealmcb: Sure, but we don't provide everything.  Just some things.
[16:07] <mralphabet> nealmcb: that may be true, but ubuntu doesn't provide *all* software packages out there
[17:12] <nealmcb> "Ubuntu provides a comprehensive variety of mail client and mail server software"?
[17:12] <mralphabet> works
[17:12] <ScottK> +1
[17:12] <DM|> is it possible to run a graphical window through ssh -X on server without having to install GNOME and GDM?
[17:14] <DM|> I want it rather lightweight, but I also want a graphical window for firestarter , would installing the GTK stuff weight down the server any?
[17:16] <zul> it shouldnt
[17:16] <DM|> cool
[17:16] <DM|> but is it possible to run a graphical window through ssh -x to a ubnut-server without GDM/GNOME or other DEs installed
[17:17] <DM|> ubuntu*
[17:20] <nealmcb> sure - you just need the x11 libraries and such - though I'm not sure of the best package for that...
[17:23] <nealmcb> DM|: perhaps libx11-6 is all you would need, with ssh forwarding
[17:23]  * ScottK suggests whatever the standard metapackage is for xubuntu.
[17:23] <nealmcb> ScottK: why include a window manager etc?
[17:23] <DM|> nealmcb ok ill try that thanks
[17:24] <nealmcb> hmm- maybe not....
[17:24] <ScottK> nealmcb: Because it was an easy way to make sure he got everything he needed.  Dunno if it'd be the best way.
[17:25] <nealmcb> most apps will want more than just x11 - at least gnome libraries etc for most - sigh
[17:26] <nealmcb> e.g. last I looked for print server management, xubuntu didn't have something, though cupsys does it via http which works fine
[17:26] <nealmcb> DM|: also, for hardy, the plan is to support ebox so  graphical admin via the web is easy
[17:30] <DM|> i prefer ssh atm
[17:31] <soren> nealmcb: That's what dependencies are for.. When he installs the gui thing he wants, it'll install all the stuff it needs to be able to run.
[17:31] <soren> DM|: Just install whatever application you want + possibly xauth. That should be sufficient.
[17:31] <soren> I'd be *very* surprised if that wasn't the case.
[17:31] <DM|> :)
[17:32] <DM|> I think ill just learn how to edit iptables, i need to anyway
[17:32] <DM|> i wanted to run firestarted graphical
[17:32] <DM|> firestarter*
[17:32] <nijaba> sommer: for an install with all task, 1G min (vmdk size = 964M, df show 978M usage)
[17:33] <nijaba> 958M usage
[17:38] <nealmcb> soren: very true.  we haven't talked about that option much and I guess I'm just trying to figure out what fraction of the whole gnome or desktop tangle would be needed for e.g. gadmintools and whether it is a good option to document.  I'm guessing that it is, but it's just bigger than I thought at first
[17:39] <sommer> nijaba: awesome thanks, should have that updated later today
[17:39] <soren> If gadmintools needs something that it doesn't explicitly state a dependency on, that's a serious bug.
[17:39] <nealmcb> nijaba: thanks!  I wonder what the big space users are there - seems bigger than I would have though
[17:39] <soren> You should be able to just apt-get install whatever package and be ready to run it.
[17:39] <nijaba> nealmcb: do you want a full du report? ;)
[17:40] <nealmcb> soren: sure - I'm talking about recommendations and being forewarned about the size of the install.  but the tools should work!
[17:42] <sommer> are there going to be any new install tasks for Hardy?
[17:42] <nealmcb> nijaba: nah - just the results of the other 30 ways to install 5 tasksels :-)
[17:44] <nijaba> nealmcb: by far, mysql seems to be the fattest
[17:45] <nealmcb> interesting....  vs postgres?
[17:50] <nijaba> nealmcb: postgresql is quite slim as a base install
[17:51]  * nealmcb always liked postgresql
[20:36] <Bawbatos> any good docs, or tools for setting up an server to server ipsec tunnel
[20:47] <zul> check google?
[20:52] <Bawbatos> yes, and like everything with linux there are 10000 differnet choices, etc.
[20:53] <Bawbatos> i was hoping for, we use this tool on our server and it is great sorta answer.
[20:55] <fujin_> I always find myself checking Gentoo's wiki, whenever I get stuck
[20:55] <fujin_> as many community people write tutorials, example "ipsec site:gentoo-wiki.com"
[20:55] <fujin_> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_IPSEC
[20:55] <nictuku> fujin_: indeed it's a wonderful resource
[20:56] <fujin_> Bawbatos: all you really need are the ipsec tools ("racoon")
[20:56] <Bawbatos> thank you.
[22:14] <micahf> hey guys, how hard is it to squeeze ubuntu server onto a 1 gb drive?
[22:15] <micahf> I don't need a GUI environment
[22:15] <micahf> I just need to be able to serve files, perhaps run an HTTP server, and maybe stream audio
[22:16] <ScottK> It should be quite doable depending on how much data you have.
[22:20] <nealmcb> micahf: a bare-bones server install is just under 500 MB without the user data, logs etc
[22:20] <nealmcb> ..or any services... :-)
[22:21] <nealmcb> so it depends on what sort of server you want to run
[22:21] <micahf> that doesn't seem too terrible
[22:21] <micahf> primarily I want NAS
[22:21] <micahf> so I'm leaning toward freeNAS
[22:21] <micahf> but I would like to be able to expand in the future, maybe adding some other services
[22:22] <micahf> especially audio/video streaming
[22:24] <micahf> nealmcb: I have a small hard drive for storing things like logs and stuff that doesn't need to be too fast
[22:49] <macd> I think you could build a smaller install fairly easy by just doing a debootstrap install then installing just what you need
[22:53] <mjbrooks> am I supposed to be seeing the entire RAID5 array during the install?
[23:03] <mjbrooks> I'm attempting to install Gutsy server on a Dell PE2650 with a Perc RAID controller, but when I get to the partitioning part of the install it's showing all 587GBs available... the controller is set up with RAID5, shouldn't that mean I see less than that?
[23:57] <fujin> mjbrooks: that is odd, generally with the perc5i cards you should only see one disk
[23:58] <fujin> are you sure it's configured correctly, saved your raid setup etc?