| ari_stress | morning all :D | 00:56 |
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| LaserJock | hi | 00:59 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: have you got any pre-gutsy machines around? | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: nope, all my machines are running gutsy at the moment | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: what do you need? | 01:24 |
| Burgundavia | just wanted to see why gnome-screensaver is going nuts on my machines | 01:27 |
| Burgundavia | machine, rather | 01:27 |
| methods | apt-get install edubuntu-desktop ? | 03:10 |
| Burgundavia | methods: yes? | 03:16 |
| methods | is that righ t? | 03:16 |
| Burgundavia | to install the basic desktop, yes | 03:17 |
| Burgundavia | however, to get the LTSP server, you will to instlal it as well | 03:17 |
| methods | i thought there was a edubuntu server ? | 03:17 |
| methods | is there any companies installing these in government schools ? | 03:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, although I don't know any specifics | 03:18 |
| Burgundavia | for the latter, I have no idea off the top of my head | 03:18 |
| Burgundavia | there is an Edubutu server | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: you here? | 06:52 |
| RichEd | hi LaserJock | 06:53 |
| somerville32 | :] | 06:53 |
| somerville32 | RichEd, Did you get to review that anymore with highvoltage? | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: you had a chance to read edubuntu-users today? | 06:53 |
| RichEd | & somerville32 }:-) | 06:54 |
| RichEd | somerville32: going through it today for the meeting this evening | 06:54 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: not yet ... just starting my day | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: yeah, you might want to, very interesting | 06:55 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: just did :( | 07:01 |
| somerville32 | :( | 07:24 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: see latest posts ... they say "prollems ... wot prollems ... worked for me" | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | so we're at 3 "works for me" and 4 "I can't believe you released this crap" | 07:48 |
| RichEd | so (tech wise) it comes back to the point you raised ... many many h/w combinations needing testing | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | here's one of the things | 07:49 |
| RichEd | and doc wise ... we need to address | 07:49 |
| RichEd | and helper wise ... we've started a process | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | basically it comes down to this, if you want *your* machines supported you have to test the development release | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | we simply can't test all hardware | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | so we need to have a good way for people to test the development version *before* it gets released | 07:50 |
| RichEd | so ... we need to add to the how you can help ... a testing process, with an easy way to file bugs | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | giving some sort of "by in" by explicitly saying "look, your'e gonna have a way better experience if you help us help you" | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | of course we again have to have the developer power to back it up | 07:51 |
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| pmvalente_ | hello as anyone can help me with this problem | 09:43 |
| pmvalente_ | my thin clients doens't boot it appears this message | 09:44 |
| pmvalente_ | Busybox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu7) Bulit-in Shell (ash) enter help.for a list of commands. (initramfs) | 09:45 |
| pmvalente_ | does anyone know hpw tp fix this problem, it seems that is on server but what? | 09:45 |
| RichEd | pmvalente_: hi ... sorry was it you in ubuntu-education this morning ? | 10:12 |
| RichEd | (my machine overheated and rebooted) | 10:12 |
| RichEd | regarding your problem above, wait for ogra to appear (he has just travelled back from Spain) or ask in #ltsp later today when the USA is awake | 10:13 |
| pmvalente_ | ok tks | 10:20 |
| RichEd | hi ogra ... back safe & sound ? | 14:13 |
| ogra | yep | 14:13 |
| ogra | even though the flights i had sometimes made me dounbt i would | 14:14 |
| ogra | *doubt | 14:14 |
| ogra | RichEd, but i filled my boring travel time with fun programming: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LightBrowser/ | 14:14 |
| ogra | (fully functional as browser, inherits all plugins from firefox and limits itself to no tabs and single window) | 14:15 |
| mcfloppy_ | ogra can u help me? | 14:21 |
| RichEd | cool ... sorry stepped out to make a tea | 14:24 |
| RichEd | ogra; are you up for the meeting tonight ? or are you worn out ? | 14:24 |
| ogra | RichEd, i'm fine | 14:25 |
| stgraber | ogra: using python mozembed ? | 14:32 |
| ogra | nope | 14:33 |
| ogra | plain XUL | 14:33 |
| stgraber | oh, and using grandparadiso ? | 14:33 |
| ogra | xulrunner, right | 14:34 |
| ogra | the original code is called mybrowser ()it does all eth browser stuff but has zero features | 14:34 |
| stgraber | how long to open it on the classmate ? | 14:34 |
| ogra | i took that and added features to make ait a real browser | 14:34 |
| ogra | didnt try it on the classmate, but it only eats about 20% of the ram ff takes | 14:35 |
| ogra | given that granparadiso starts nearly instantly on the classmate i`d assume the same from it | 14:35 |
| stgraber | cool | 14:35 |
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| RichEd | highvoltage: you around boet ? | 15:19 |
| RichEd | when does the school year start for Northern hemisphere ? september ? | 15:28 |
| ogra | august/sept, depending on the country in europe at least | 15:28 |
| graystatic | I installed edubuntu server on a machine and rebooted it | 15:34 |
| joebaker | When is the meeting today? | 15:34 |
| graystatic | it shows the loading bar then goes black | 15:34 |
| joebaker | Maybe the resolution is too high for the monitor. Try putting a different monitor on the machine. | 15:35 |
| joebaker | Another thing you could try graystatic is Ctrl-(Alt-minus key) | 15:35 |
| joebaker | CTRL - ALT - MINUS | 15:36 |
| graystatic | what does that do | 15:36 |
| graystatic | well I'm trying a different monitor right now | 15:36 |
| joebaker | X Windows has this little trick that lets you cycle through different screen resolutions this way. Plus goes the other way. | 15:36 |
| graystatic | oh | 15:36 |
| joebaker | The autodetection routines consider your video card and the information about your monitor. | 15:37 |
| joebaker | If your computer booted without the monitor plugged in the routines may not have been able to detect the | 15:37 |
| joebaker | acceptable resolutions for your monitor. At least this is the way I think this works. Via observation is how I learned. | 15:38 |
| joebaker | Does Edubuntu LTSP Gutsy come with support for Mac thin clients now? | 15:38 |
| graystatic | i tried a different monitor and it didn't work | 15:38 |
| graystatic | do i push ctl+alt+ - after it boots or while it is booting | 15:39 |
| joebaker | Black Screen hey? | 15:39 |
| joebaker | Push the key combination once you finally get to the black screen. | 15:39 |
| joebaker | Are these modern monitors? | 15:40 |
| joebaker | 1280x1024 resolution capeable? | 15:40 |
| joebaker | I could be barking up the wrong tree. | 15:40 |
| graystatic | ok I pushed the combination and nothing happened | 15:41 |
| graystatic | these are mondern monitors flatscreens and I almost positive they can do 1280 x 1024 | 15:41 |
| joebaker | Great. This probably isn't the problem then. | 15:41 |
| graystatic | is there a way to start it in safe graphics mode | 15:42 |
| graystatic | or something | 15:42 |
| joebaker | In lts.conf you could specify the resolution for this workstation. | 15:42 |
| joebaker | You could also specify the xserver to be VESA. | 15:42 |
| graystatic | how would I edit that stuff when I can't get it to boot | 15:43 |
| graystatic | or can't see it once it does | 15:43 |
| joebaker | Sometimes when I had particularly difficult combinations I'd create a special xorg.conf file. | 15:43 |
| joebaker | Is this an LTSP thin client you are having problems with or just a simple installation of Edubuntu? | 15:44 |
| graystatic | it is a server | 15:44 |
| joebaker | CTRL - ALT - F1 Would get you to a text only console on the server. | 15:44 |
| graystatic | that worked | 15:45 |
| graystatic | now once I have that can I start x windows in a safe graphics mode | 15:46 |
| graystatic | I know when I had ubuntu installed on it that it would work in safe graphics mode | 15:47 |
| joebaker | graystatic: Sorry, I'm going to have to get back to a proposal I'm working on. You might google for something called dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. This would give you the ability to reconfigure the xserver. | 15:48 |
| joebaker | Wait, you said you installed the server version. | 15:48 |
| joebaker | That might not even have XWindows loaded by default. | 15:48 |
| graystatic | oh ok | 15:49 |
| graystatic | thanks for the help | 15:49 |
| joebaker | Why is it so quiet in this channel. Maybe everybody is in the Edubuntu meeting talked about at the banner of this channel. | 15:49 |
| joebaker | Servers sometimes don't run Xwindows to improve performance. | 15:49 |
| graystatic | ok | 15:49 |
| joebaker | Where are you located? | 15:50 |
| joebaker | I'm in Burlington, Wisconsin. | 15:50 |
| joebaker | If you don't mind me asking. | 15:50 |
| graystatic | but I think is does come loaded with x windows | 15:50 |
| RichEd | joebaker: the meeting is at 20h00 UTC | 15:50 |
| graystatic | because it goes black on startup | 15:50 |
| joebaker | Good Luck! | 15:50 |
| graystatic | if it wasn't trying to load xwindows I think it would just give be text | 15:51 |
| RichEd | ping highvoltage | 15:58 |
| agente87 | hello! | 16:21 |
| agente87 | does anybody know how to mount or just make recognize a local hard disk in a thin client?¿ | 16:22 |
| ogra | if its partitioned it should just show up | 16:25 |
| agente87 | when i start a program like gparted as a root, it only shows me the server partitions, and hard drives, but not the local hard drive in the thin client | 16:27 |
| ogra | indeed ... | 16:27 |
| ogra | you could set SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and partition them with cfdisk then | 16:28 |
| agente87 | i will try thank you | 16:29 |
| das-t | once we are there ... i am trying quite a few thin clients at the moment. all old hardware. all start up with a resolution of 800, even though at least some should support 1024. do i need to put that into the lst.conf? | 16:30 |
| das-t | i suppose so, will try. maybe someone can confirm / deny. | 16:31 |
| ogra | das-t, well, it should autodetect what the monitor is capable of | 16:34 |
| bddebian | Heya | 16:35 |
| ogra | some older monitors are rather bad at reporting the right values though... there X_MODE_0 help | 16:35 |
| RichEd | hi all ... for those who are interested in volunteering or the process of volunteer uptake: | 17:04 |
| RichEd | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Community/VolunteerUptakeProcess | 17:04 |
| RichEd | ^ we'll discuss that at the meeting tonight | 17:05 |
| RichEd | comments or sensible edits welcome | 17:05 |
| * RichEd out for a bit ... back for edubuntu meeting | 17:07 | |
| das-t | ok, thank you ogra | 17:30 |
| sigma | anyone know where i can find a good 1 page in depth description of edubuntu desktop and server edition? | 18:26 |
| das-t | what especially are you looking for? | 18:28 |
| sigma | just something that describes what it is and lists its major features | 18:28 |
| das-t | something like this? http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu | 18:30 |
| sigma | thats perfect! do similar pages exist for ubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu server? | 18:33 |
| das-t | i don't know | 18:34 |
| das-t | (i just started working with edubuntu) | 18:34 |
| sigma | ah i see | 18:34 |
| sigma | so tell me how hard is it to set up a basic classroom lab? | 18:34 |
| das-t | i personally am just doing my first steps. to get a first quick result for yourself is very easy. we installed the beast and after finding a correct boot cdrom (emulating a pxe nic) the client booted right away. | 18:37 |
| das-t | though i still need quite a bit fine tuning, but the pain of getting started is not very heavy. ,-))) | 18:38 |
| LaserJock | \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ | 18:50 |
| RichEd | sigma: look at the edubuntu cookbook / handbook ... let me get the links | 18:50 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: we perhaps have an issue with the Handbook. the only place the current handbook exists is on the user's computer | 18:51 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: we don't actually have a copy online | 18:51 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: fireman MrEd has put out the flame (with some earlier help) ... did you check back at the list | 18:51 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: I thought I saw a copy 2 days ago ? lemme check | 18:51 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: hehe yes, if only we could squash your verbosity with ogra's pithiness ;-) | 18:52 |
| LaserJock | ogra goes for the 1 or 2 liner | 18:52 |
| LaserJock | RichEd goes for the thesis ;-) | 18:52 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: needed the verbosity ... douse the flame with quantity ... where would you begin to fight back ? | 18:53 |
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| LaserJock | RichEd: validating people | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | you gotta point out where they are right to start with or they just get defensive | 18:53 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: did you see the volunteer wiki page as a start ... | 18:53 |
| Goosemoose | if im installing via the network, and not using ltsp, is there any reason to use edubuntu-desktop for the preseed rather than ubuntu-desktop? | 18:59 |
| Goosemoose | also since i got the netboot file from the ubuntu site i don't see how to install the edubuntu add ons | 18:59 |
| sigma | ok il check it out on the cd, thanks | 19:01 |
| stgraber | edubuntu addons are the different edubuntu-addon-* packages you can install on top of a standard Ubuntu or Edubuntu | 19:01 |
| stgraber | edubuntu-desktop will bring the edubuntu look&feel + things like gobby | 19:01 |
| Goosemoose | ok, ill have to try preseed again with edubuntu-desktop, i was having a problem getting a black screen upon reboot which the guys here helped me find the problem yesterday, i just dont know how to keep it fixed | 19:04 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: there is a dev version of the handbook here | 19:15 |
| RichEd | http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | yeah, and it's really old | 19:15 |
| graystatic | is there a way to start edubuntu in safe graphics mode | 19:20 |
| LaserJock | graystatic: there should be a boot option | 19:20 |
| LaserJock | as in, in the boot menu (you might have to hit ESC to see it) there should be a safe mode option | 19:21 |
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| graystatic | ok I'll try that | 19:24 |
| graystatic | all I see is a recovery mode and a memtest96+ mode | 19:25 |
| LaserJock | ok | 19:26 |
| LaserJock | try recovery mode and see what that does | 19:26 |
| LaserJock | it might just drop you to a terminal | 19:27 |
| graystatic | it does | 19:27 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 19:27 |
| graystatic | is there a way to start it from there | 19:27 |
| LaserJock | well that would let you fix stuff I guess | 19:27 |
| LaserJock | what is it that you're having problems with? graphics? | 19:27 |
| graystatic | well I see the loading scree with the loading bar | 19:28 |
| graystatic | but when it reaches the end the screen goes blank | 19:28 |
| LaserJock | right | 19:28 |
| LaserJock | so I'm guessing you want to edit your xorg.conf file | 19:29 |
| graystatic | where is that at | 19:29 |
| LaserJock | what kind of graphics card do you have? | 19:29 |
| graystatic | one sec let me check | 19:30 |
| graystatic | its a gateway alr 7200 | 19:32 |
| graystatic | I can't figure out what the graphics card is | 19:32 |
| LaserJock | is that an oldish server? | 19:33 |
| graystatic | a little oldish | 19:34 |
| graystatic | but it says it supports up to 1280x1024 | 19:34 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 19:35 |
| RichEd | === edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting === in 24 mins | 19:36 |
| LaserJock | I would say you should try a vesa driver at 1280x1024 | 19:36 |
| graystatic | how would I do that | 19:36 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that's sort of a good question :-) | 19:36 |
| LaserJock | xorg.conf is currently automatically generated basically | 19:37 |
| graystatic | I was able to run ubuntu in safe graphics mode | 19:37 |
| graystatic | but how could I do that with edubuntu | 19:37 |
| graystatic | or can you not do that | 19:37 |
| LaserJock | it should be the same | 19:39 |
| graystatic | I don't know | 19:39 |
| LaserJock | there's no difference in booting/X between Ubuntu and Edubuntu | 19:39 |
| graystatic | it did it automatically on my ubuntu install | 19:39 |
| graystatic | could I boot into fluxbox instead | 19:40 |
| LaserJock | well | 19:40 |
| LaserJock | you aren't even getting that far | 19:40 |
| graystatic | would that work and how would i do that | 19:40 |
| LaserJock | you have to have X running first | 19:40 |
| graystatic | oh | 19:41 |
| LaserJock | gimme a minute to find some stuff | 19:41 |
| graystatic | ok | 19:41 |
| LaserJock | I've not had to mess around with this stuff since they changed to automatic X setup | 19:41 |
| LaserJock | graystatic: can you see if /etc/X11/xorg.conf exists? | 19:42 |
| graystatic | there does | 19:47 |
| LaserJock | awesome | 19:49 |
| LaserJock | graystatic: ok, if you do grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf what do you get? | 19:50 |
| graystatic | one sec | 19:50 |
| graystatic | a bunch of stuff | 19:51 |
| LaserJock | lots of "wacom"s? | 19:52 |
| graystatic | sorry | 19:52 |
| graystatic | I just got a new line | 19:52 |
| graystatic | I just had run nano xorg.conf and was looking at that | 19:52 |
| LaserJock | ah, well that works to | 19:52 |
| graystatic | do I need to change something in it | 19:53 |
| LaserJock | what we're looking for is the Driver line | 19:53 |
| LaserJock | in the "Device" section | 19:53 |
| graystatic | ok it says cirrus | 19:54 |
| LaserJock | interesting | 19:54 |
| LaserJock | ok, what we want to try is vesa | 19:55 |
| graystatic | now restart it | 19:55 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 19:55 |
| LaserJock | I'll be right back, gonna snag some lunch before the meeting | 19:56 |
| graystatic | o | 19:56 |
| graystatic | ok | 19:56 |
| graystatic | thanks for the help | 19:56 |
| graystatic | it worked thanks abunch | 19:58 |
| graystatic | woo hooo | 19:58 |
| graystatic | :) | 19:58 |
| RichEd | === edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting === in 2 mins | 19:58 |
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| Goosemoose | this look ok: d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install ssh | 22:56 |
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