[00:56] <ari_stress> morning all :D
[00:59] <LaserJock> hi
[01:07] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: have you got any pre-gutsy machines around?
[01:23] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: nope, all my machines are running gutsy at the moment
[01:24] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: what do you need?
[01:27] <Burgundavia> just wanted to see why gnome-screensaver is going nuts on my machines
[01:27] <Burgundavia> machine, rather
[03:10] <methods> apt-get install edubuntu-desktop ?
[03:16] <Burgundavia> methods: yes?
[03:16] <methods> is that righ t?
[03:17] <Burgundavia> to install the basic desktop, yes
[03:17] <Burgundavia> however, to get the LTSP server, you will to instlal it as well
[03:17] <methods> i thought there was a edubuntu server ?
[03:17] <methods> is there any companies installing these in government schools ?
[03:18] <LaserJock> yeah, although I don't know any specifics
[03:18] <Burgundavia> for the latter, I have no idea off the top of my head
[03:18] <Burgundavia> there is an Edubutu server
[06:52] <LaserJock> RichEd: you here?
[06:53] <RichEd> hi LaserJock
[06:53] <somerville32> :]
[06:53] <somerville32> RichEd, Did you get to review that anymore with highvoltage?
[06:53] <LaserJock> RichEd: you had a chance to read edubuntu-users today?
[06:54] <RichEd> & somerville32 }:-)
[06:54] <RichEd> somerville32: going through it today for the meeting this evening
[06:55] <RichEd> LaserJock: not yet ... just starting my day
[06:55] <LaserJock> RichEd: yeah, you might want to, very interesting
[07:01] <RichEd> LaserJock: just did :(
[07:24] <somerville32> :(
[07:47] <RichEd> LaserJock: see latest posts ... they say "prollems ... wot prollems ... worked for me"
[07:47] <LaserJock> yes
[07:48] <LaserJock> so we're at 3 "works for me" and 4 "I can't believe you released this crap"
[07:48] <RichEd> so (tech wise) it comes back to the point you raised ... many many h/w combinations needing testing
[07:49] <LaserJock> here's one of the things
[07:49] <RichEd> and doc wise ... we need to address
[07:49] <RichEd> and helper wise ... we've started a process
[07:49] <LaserJock> basically it comes down to this, if you want *your* machines supported you have to test the development release
[07:49] <LaserJock> we simply can't test all hardware
[07:50] <LaserJock> so we need to have a good way for people to test the development version *before* it gets released
[07:50] <RichEd> so ... we need to add to the how you can help ... a testing process, with an easy way to file bugs
[07:51] <LaserJock> giving some sort of "by in" by explicitly saying "look, your'e gonna have a way better experience if you help us help you"
[07:51] <LaserJock> of course we again have to have the developer power to back it up
[09:43] <pmvalente_> hello as anyone can help me with this problem
[09:44] <pmvalente_> my thin clients doens't boot it appears this message
[09:45] <pmvalente_> Busybox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu7) Bulit-in Shell (ash) enter help.for a list of commands. (initramfs)
[09:45] <pmvalente_> does anyone know hpw tp fix this problem, it seems that is on server but what?
[10:12] <RichEd> pmvalente_: hi ... sorry was it you in ubuntu-education this morning ?
[10:12] <RichEd> (my machine overheated and rebooted)
[10:13] <RichEd> regarding your problem above, wait for ogra to appear (he has just travelled back from Spain) or ask in #ltsp later today when the USA is awake
[10:20] <pmvalente_> ok tks
[14:13] <RichEd> hi ogra ... back safe & sound ?
[14:13] <ogra> yep
[14:14] <ogra> even though the flights i had sometimes made me dounbt i would
[14:14] <ogra> *doubt
[14:14] <ogra> RichEd, but i filled my boring travel time with fun programming: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LightBrowser/
[14:15] <ogra> (fully functional as browser, inherits all plugins from firefox and limits itself to no tabs and single window)
[14:21] <mcfloppy_> ogra can u help me?
[14:24] <RichEd> cool ... sorry stepped out to make a tea
[14:24] <RichEd> ogra; are you up for the meeting tonight ? or are you worn out ?
[14:25] <ogra> RichEd, i'm fine
[14:32] <stgraber> ogra: using python mozembed ?
[14:33] <ogra> nope
[14:33] <ogra> plain XUL
[14:33] <stgraber> oh, and using grandparadiso ?
[14:34] <ogra> xulrunner, right
[14:34] <ogra> the original code is called mybrowser ()it does all eth browser stuff but has zero features
[14:34] <stgraber> how long to open it on the classmate ?
[14:34] <ogra> i took that and added features to make ait a real browser
[14:35] <ogra> didnt try it on the classmate, but it only eats about 20% of the ram ff takes
[14:35] <ogra> given that granparadiso starts nearly instantly on the classmate i`d assume the same from it
[14:35] <stgraber> cool
[15:19] <RichEd> highvoltage: you around boet ?
[15:28] <RichEd> when does the school year start for Northern hemisphere ? september ?
[15:28] <ogra> august/sept, depending on the country in europe at least
[15:34] <graystatic> I installed edubuntu server on a machine and rebooted it
[15:34] <joebaker> When is the meeting today?
[15:34] <graystatic> it shows the loading bar then goes black
[15:35] <joebaker> Maybe the resolution is too high for the monitor.  Try putting a different monitor on the machine.
[15:35] <joebaker> Another thing you could try graystatic is Ctrl-(Alt-minus key)
[15:36] <joebaker> CTRL - ALT - MINUS
[15:36] <graystatic> what does that do
[15:36] <graystatic> well I'm trying a different monitor right now
[15:36] <joebaker> X Windows has this little trick that lets you cycle through different screen resolutions this way.  Plus goes the other way.
[15:36] <graystatic> oh
[15:37] <joebaker> The autodetection routines consider your video card and the information about your monitor.
[15:37] <joebaker> If your computer booted without the monitor plugged in the routines may not have been able to detect the
[15:38] <joebaker> acceptable resolutions for your monitor.  At least this is the way I think this works.  Via observation is how I learned.
[15:38] <joebaker> Does Edubuntu LTSP Gutsy come with support for Mac thin clients now?
[15:38] <graystatic> i tried a different monitor and it didn't work
[15:39] <graystatic> do i push ctl+alt+ - after it boots or while it is booting
[15:39] <joebaker> Black Screen hey?
[15:39] <joebaker> Push the key combination once you finally get to the black screen.
[15:40] <joebaker> Are these modern monitors?
[15:40] <joebaker> 1280x1024 resolution capeable?
[15:40] <joebaker> I could be barking up the wrong tree.
[15:41] <graystatic> ok I pushed the combination and nothing happened
[15:41] <graystatic> these are mondern monitors flatscreens and I almost positive they can do 1280 x 1024
[15:41] <joebaker> Great.  This probably isn't the problem then.
[15:42] <graystatic> is there a way to start it in safe graphics mode
[15:42] <graystatic> or something
[15:42] <joebaker> In lts.conf  you could specify the resolution for this workstation.
[15:42] <joebaker> You could also specify the xserver to be VESA.
[15:43] <graystatic> how would I edit that stuff when I can't get it to boot
[15:43] <graystatic> or can't see it once it does
[15:43] <joebaker> Sometimes when I had particularly difficult combinations I'd create a special xorg.conf file.
[15:44] <joebaker> Is this an LTSP thin client you are having problems with or just a simple installation of Edubuntu?
[15:44] <graystatic> it is a server
[15:44] <joebaker> CTRL - ALT - F1  Would get you to a text only console on the server.
[15:45] <graystatic> that worked
[15:46] <graystatic> now once I have that can I start x windows in a safe graphics mode
[15:47] <graystatic> I know when I had ubuntu installed on it that it would work in safe graphics mode
[15:48] <joebaker> graystatic:  Sorry, I'm going to have to get back to a proposal I'm working on.  You might google for something called dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.  This would give you the ability to reconfigure the xserver.
[15:48] <joebaker> Wait, you said you installed the server version.
[15:48] <joebaker> That might not even have XWindows loaded by default.
[15:49] <graystatic> oh ok
[15:49] <graystatic> thanks for the help
[15:49] <joebaker> Why is it so quiet in this channel.  Maybe everybody is in the Edubuntu meeting talked about at the banner of this channel.
[15:49] <joebaker> Servers sometimes don't run Xwindows to improve performance.
[15:49] <graystatic> ok
[15:50] <joebaker> Where are you located?
[15:50] <joebaker> I'm in Burlington, Wisconsin.
[15:50] <joebaker> If you don't mind me asking.
[15:50] <graystatic> but I think is does come loaded with x windows
[15:50] <RichEd> joebaker: the meeting is at 20h00 UTC
[15:50] <graystatic> because it goes black on startup
[15:50] <joebaker> Good Luck!
[15:51] <graystatic> if it wasn't trying to load xwindows I think it would just give be text
[15:58] <RichEd> ping highvoltage
[16:21] <agente87> hello!
[16:22] <agente87> does anybody know how to mount or just make recognize a local hard disk in a thin client?¿
[16:25] <ogra> if its partitioned it should just show up
[16:27] <agente87> when i start a program like gparted as a root, it only shows me the server partitions, and hard drives, but not the local hard drive in the thin client
[16:27] <ogra> indeed ...
[16:28] <ogra> you could set SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and partition them with cfdisk then
[16:29] <agente87> i will try thank you
[16:30] <das-t> once we are there ... i am trying quite a few thin clients at the moment. all old hardware. all start up with a resolution of 800, even though at least some should support 1024. do i need to put that into the lst.conf?
[16:31] <das-t> i suppose so, will try. maybe someone can confirm / deny.
[16:34] <ogra> das-t, well, it should autodetect what the monitor is capable of
[16:35] <bddebian> Heya
[16:35] <ogra> some older monitors are rather bad at reporting the right values though... there X_MODE_0 help
[17:04] <RichEd> hi all ... for those who are interested in volunteering or the process of volunteer uptake:
[17:04] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Community/VolunteerUptakeProcess
[17:05] <RichEd> ^ we'll discuss that at the meeting tonight
[17:05] <RichEd> comments or sensible edits welcome
[17:07]  * RichEd out for a bit ... back for edubuntu meeting
[17:30] <das-t> ok, thank you ogra
[18:26] <sigma> anyone know where i can find a good 1 page in depth description of edubuntu desktop and server edition?
[18:28] <das-t> what especially are you looking for?
[18:28] <sigma> just something that describes what it is and lists its major features
[18:30] <das-t> something like this? http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[18:33] <sigma> thats perfect! do similar pages exist for ubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu server?
[18:34] <das-t> i don't know
[18:34] <das-t> (i just started working with edubuntu)
[18:34] <sigma> ah i see
[18:34] <sigma> so tell me how hard is it to set up a basic classroom lab?
[18:37] <das-t> i personally am just doing my first steps. to get a first quick result for yourself is very easy. we installed the beast and after finding a correct boot cdrom (emulating a pxe nic) the client booted right away.
[18:38] <das-t> though i still need quite a bit fine tuning, but the pain of getting started is not very heavy. ,-)))
[18:50] <LaserJock> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[18:50] <RichEd> sigma: look at the edubuntu cookbook / handbook ... let me get the links
[18:51] <LaserJock> RichEd: we perhaps have an issue with the Handbook. the only place the current handbook exists is on the user's computer
[18:51] <LaserJock> RichEd: we don't actually have a copy online
[18:51] <RichEd> LaserJock: fireman MrEd has put out the flame (with some earlier help) ... did you check back at the list
[18:51] <RichEd> LaserJock: I thought I saw a copy 2 days ago ? lemme check
[18:52] <LaserJock> RichEd: hehe yes, if only we could squash your verbosity with ogra's pithiness ;-)
[18:52] <LaserJock> ogra goes for the 1 or 2 liner
[18:52] <LaserJock> RichEd goes for the thesis ;-)
[18:53] <RichEd> LaserJock: needed the verbosity ... douse the flame with quantity ... where would you begin to fight back ?
[18:53] <LaserJock> RichEd: validating people
[18:53] <LaserJock> you gotta point out where they are right to start with or they just get defensive
[18:53] <RichEd> LaserJock: did you see the volunteer wiki page as a start ...
[18:59] <Goosemoose> if im installing via the network, and not using ltsp, is there any reason to use edubuntu-desktop for the preseed rather than ubuntu-desktop?
[18:59] <Goosemoose> also since i got the netboot file from the ubuntu site i don't see how to install the edubuntu add ons
[19:01] <sigma> ok il check it out on the cd, thanks
[19:01] <stgraber> edubuntu addons are the different edubuntu-addon-* packages you can install on top of a standard Ubuntu or Edubuntu
[19:01] <stgraber> edubuntu-desktop will bring the edubuntu look&feel + things like gobby
[19:04] <Goosemoose> ok, ill have to try preseed again with edubuntu-desktop, i was having a problem getting a black screen upon reboot which the guys here helped me find the problem yesterday, i just dont know how to keep it fixed
[19:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: there is a dev version of the handbook here
[19:15] <RichEd> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[19:15] <LaserJock> yeah, and it's really old
[19:20] <graystatic> is there a way to start edubuntu in safe graphics mode
[19:20] <LaserJock> graystatic: there should be a boot option
[19:21] <LaserJock> as in, in the boot menu (you might have to hit ESC to see it) there should be a safe mode option
[19:24] <graystatic> ok I'll try that
[19:25] <graystatic> all I see is a recovery mode and a memtest96+ mode
[19:26] <LaserJock> ok
[19:26] <LaserJock> try recovery mode and see what that does
[19:27] <LaserJock> it might just drop you to a terminal
[19:27] <graystatic> it does
[19:27] <LaserJock> hmm
[19:27] <graystatic> is there a way to start it from there
[19:27] <LaserJock> well that would let you fix stuff I guess
[19:27] <LaserJock> what is it that you're having problems with? graphics?
[19:28] <graystatic> well I see the loading scree with the loading bar
[19:28] <graystatic> but when it reaches the end the screen goes blank
[19:28] <LaserJock> right
[19:29] <LaserJock> so I'm guessing you want to edit your xorg.conf file
[19:29] <graystatic> where is that at
[19:29] <LaserJock> what kind of graphics card do you have?
[19:30] <graystatic> one sec let me check
[19:32] <graystatic> its a gateway alr 7200
[19:32] <graystatic> I can't figure out what the graphics card is
[19:33] <LaserJock> is that an oldish server?
[19:34] <graystatic> a little oldish
[19:34] <graystatic> but it says it supports up to 1280x1024
[19:35] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:36] <RichEd> [19:36] <LaserJock> I would say you should try a vesa driver at 1280x1024
[19:36] <graystatic> how would I do that
[19:36] <LaserJock> hmm, that's sort of a good question :-)
[19:37] <LaserJock> xorg.conf is currently automatically generated basically
[19:37] <graystatic> I was able to run ubuntu in safe graphics mode
[19:37] <graystatic> but how could I do that with edubuntu
[19:37] <graystatic> or can you not do that
[19:39] <LaserJock> it should be the same
[19:39] <graystatic> I don't know
[19:39] <LaserJock> there's no difference in booting/X between Ubuntu and Edubuntu
[19:39] <graystatic> it did it automatically on my ubuntu install
[19:40] <graystatic> could I boot into fluxbox instead
[19:40] <LaserJock> well
[19:40] <LaserJock> you aren't even getting that far
[19:40] <graystatic> would that work and how would i do that
[19:40] <LaserJock> you have to have X running first
[19:41] <graystatic> oh
[19:41] <LaserJock> gimme a minute to find some stuff
[19:41] <graystatic> ok
[19:41] <LaserJock> I've not had to mess around with this stuff since they changed to automatic X setup
[19:42] <LaserJock> graystatic: can you see if /etc/X11/xorg.conf exists?
[19:47] <graystatic> there does
[19:49] <LaserJock> awesome
[19:50] <LaserJock> graystatic: ok, if you do grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf what do you get?
[19:50] <graystatic> one sec
[19:51] <graystatic> a bunch of stuff
[19:52] <LaserJock> lots of "wacom"s?
[19:52] <graystatic> sorry
[19:52] <graystatic> I just got a new line
[19:52] <graystatic> I just had run nano xorg.conf and was looking at that
[19:52] <LaserJock> ah, well that works to
[19:53] <graystatic> do I need to change something in it
[19:53] <LaserJock> what we're looking for is the Driver line
[19:53] <LaserJock> in the "Device" section
[19:54] <graystatic> ok it says cirrus
[19:54] <LaserJock> interesting
[19:55] <LaserJock> ok, what we want to try is vesa
[19:55] <graystatic> now restart it
[19:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:56] <LaserJock> I'll be right back, gonna snag some lunch before the meeting
[19:56] <graystatic> o
[19:56] <graystatic> ok
[19:56] <graystatic> thanks for the help
[19:58] <graystatic> it worked thanks abunch
[19:58] <graystatic> woo hooo
[19:58] <graystatic> :)
[19:58] <RichEd> [22:56] <Goosemoose> this look ok: d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install ssh