[00:56] morning all :D [00:59] hi [01:07] LaserJock: have you got any pre-gutsy machines around? [01:23] Burgundavia: nope, all my machines are running gutsy at the moment [01:24] Burgundavia: what do you need? [01:27] just wanted to see why gnome-screensaver is going nuts on my machines [01:27] machine, rather [03:10] apt-get install edubuntu-desktop ? [03:16] methods: yes? [03:16] is that righ t? [03:17] to install the basic desktop, yes [03:17] however, to get the LTSP server, you will to instlal it as well [03:17] i thought there was a edubuntu server ? [03:17] is there any companies installing these in government schools ? [03:18] yeah, although I don't know any specifics [03:18] for the latter, I have no idea off the top of my head [03:18] there is an Edubutu server [06:52] RichEd: you here? [06:53] hi LaserJock [06:53] :] [06:53] RichEd, Did you get to review that anymore with highvoltage? [06:53] RichEd: you had a chance to read edubuntu-users today? [06:54] & somerville32 }:-) [06:54] somerville32: going through it today for the meeting this evening [06:55] LaserJock: not yet ... just starting my day [06:55] RichEd: yeah, you might want to, very interesting [07:01] LaserJock: just did :( [07:24] :( [07:47] LaserJock: see latest posts ... they say "prollems ... wot prollems ... worked for me" [07:47] yes [07:48] so we're at 3 "works for me" and 4 "I can't believe you released this crap" [07:48] so (tech wise) it comes back to the point you raised ... many many h/w combinations needing testing [07:49] here's one of the things [07:49] and doc wise ... we need to address [07:49] and helper wise ... we've started a process [07:49] basically it comes down to this, if you want *your* machines supported you have to test the development release [07:49] we simply can't test all hardware [07:50] so we need to have a good way for people to test the development version *before* it gets released [07:50] so ... we need to add to the how you can help ... a testing process, with an easy way to file bugs [07:51] giving some sort of "by in" by explicitly saying "look, your'e gonna have a way better experience if you help us help you" [07:51] of course we again have to have the developer power to back it up === meduxa is now known as toscalix === aripang is now known as deltaman [09:43] hello as anyone can help me with this problem [09:44] my thin clients doens't boot it appears this message [09:45] Busybox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu7) Bulit-in Shell (ash) enter help.for a list of commands. (initramfs) [09:45] does anyone know hpw tp fix this problem, it seems that is on server but what? [10:12] pmvalente_: hi ... sorry was it you in ubuntu-education this morning ? [10:12] (my machine overheated and rebooted) [10:13] regarding your problem above, wait for ogra to appear (he has just travelled back from Spain) or ask in #ltsp later today when the USA is awake [10:20] ok tks [14:13] hi ogra ... back safe & sound ? [14:13] yep [14:14] even though the flights i had sometimes made me dounbt i would [14:14] *doubt [14:14] RichEd, but i filled my boring travel time with fun programming: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LightBrowser/ [14:15] (fully functional as browser, inherits all plugins from firefox and limits itself to no tabs and single window) [14:21] ogra can u help me? [14:24] cool ... sorry stepped out to make a tea [14:24] ogra; are you up for the meeting tonight ? or are you worn out ? [14:25] RichEd, i'm fine [14:32] ogra: using python mozembed ? [14:33] nope [14:33] plain XUL [14:33] oh, and using grandparadiso ? [14:34] xulrunner, right [14:34] the original code is called mybrowser ()it does all eth browser stuff but has zero features [14:34] how long to open it on the classmate ? [14:34] i took that and added features to make ait a real browser [14:35] didnt try it on the classmate, but it only eats about 20% of the ram ff takes [14:35] given that granparadiso starts nearly instantly on the classmate i`d assume the same from it [14:35] cool === valles_ is now known as effie_jayx [15:19] highvoltage: you around boet ? [15:28] when does the school year start for Northern hemisphere ? september ? [15:28] august/sept, depending on the country in europe at least [15:34] I installed edubuntu server on a machine and rebooted it [15:34] When is the meeting today? [15:34] it shows the loading bar then goes black [15:35] Maybe the resolution is too high for the monitor. Try putting a different monitor on the machine. [15:35] Another thing you could try graystatic is Ctrl-(Alt-minus key) [15:36] CTRL - ALT - MINUS [15:36] what does that do [15:36] well I'm trying a different monitor right now [15:36] X Windows has this little trick that lets you cycle through different screen resolutions this way. Plus goes the other way. [15:36] oh [15:37] The autodetection routines consider your video card and the information about your monitor. [15:37] If your computer booted without the monitor plugged in the routines may not have been able to detect the [15:38] acceptable resolutions for your monitor. At least this is the way I think this works. Via observation is how I learned. [15:38] Does Edubuntu LTSP Gutsy come with support for Mac thin clients now? [15:38] i tried a different monitor and it didn't work [15:39] do i push ctl+alt+ - after it boots or while it is booting [15:39] Black Screen hey? [15:39] Push the key combination once you finally get to the black screen. [15:40] Are these modern monitors? [15:40] 1280x1024 resolution capeable? [15:40] I could be barking up the wrong tree. [15:41] ok I pushed the combination and nothing happened [15:41] these are mondern monitors flatscreens and I almost positive they can do 1280 x 1024 [15:41] Great. This probably isn't the problem then. [15:42] is there a way to start it in safe graphics mode [15:42] or something [15:42] In lts.conf you could specify the resolution for this workstation. [15:42] You could also specify the xserver to be VESA. [15:43] how would I edit that stuff when I can't get it to boot [15:43] or can't see it once it does [15:43] Sometimes when I had particularly difficult combinations I'd create a special xorg.conf file. [15:44] Is this an LTSP thin client you are having problems with or just a simple installation of Edubuntu? [15:44] it is a server [15:44] CTRL - ALT - F1 Would get you to a text only console on the server. [15:45] that worked [15:46] now once I have that can I start x windows in a safe graphics mode [15:47] I know when I had ubuntu installed on it that it would work in safe graphics mode [15:48] graystatic: Sorry, I'm going to have to get back to a proposal I'm working on. You might google for something called dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. This would give you the ability to reconfigure the xserver. [15:48] Wait, you said you installed the server version. [15:48] That might not even have XWindows loaded by default. [15:49] oh ok [15:49] thanks for the help [15:49] Why is it so quiet in this channel. Maybe everybody is in the Edubuntu meeting talked about at the banner of this channel. [15:49] Servers sometimes don't run Xwindows to improve performance. [15:49] ok [15:50] Where are you located? [15:50] I'm in Burlington, Wisconsin. [15:50] If you don't mind me asking. [15:50] but I think is does come loaded with x windows [15:50] joebaker: the meeting is at 20h00 UTC [15:50] because it goes black on startup [15:50] Good Luck! [15:51] if it wasn't trying to load xwindows I think it would just give be text [15:58] ping highvoltage [16:21] hello! [16:22] does anybody know how to mount or just make recognize a local hard disk in a thin client?¿ [16:25] if its partitioned it should just show up [16:27] when i start a program like gparted as a root, it only shows me the server partitions, and hard drives, but not the local hard drive in the thin client [16:27] indeed ... [16:28] you could set SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and partition them with cfdisk then [16:29] i will try thank you [16:30] once we are there ... i am trying quite a few thin clients at the moment. all old hardware. all start up with a resolution of 800, even though at least some should support 1024. do i need to put that into the lst.conf? [16:31] i suppose so, will try. maybe someone can confirm / deny. [16:34] das-t, well, it should autodetect what the monitor is capable of [16:35] Heya [16:35] some older monitors are rather bad at reporting the right values though... there X_MODE_0 help [17:04] hi all ... for those who are interested in volunteering or the process of volunteer uptake: [17:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Community/VolunteerUptakeProcess [17:05] ^ we'll discuss that at the meeting tonight [17:05] comments or sensible edits welcome [17:07] * RichEd out for a bit ... back for edubuntu meeting [17:30] ok, thank you ogra [18:26] anyone know where i can find a good 1 page in depth description of edubuntu desktop and server edition? [18:28] what especially are you looking for? [18:28] just something that describes what it is and lists its major features [18:30] something like this? http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu [18:33] thats perfect! do similar pages exist for ubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu server? [18:34] i don't know [18:34] (i just started working with edubuntu) [18:34] ah i see [18:34] so tell me how hard is it to set up a basic classroom lab? [18:37] i personally am just doing my first steps. to get a first quick result for yourself is very easy. we installed the beast and after finding a correct boot cdrom (emulating a pxe nic) the client booted right away. [18:38] though i still need quite a bit fine tuning, but the pain of getting started is not very heavy. ,-))) [18:50] \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ [18:50] sigma: look at the edubuntu cookbook / handbook ... let me get the links [18:51] RichEd: we perhaps have an issue with the Handbook. the only place the current handbook exists is on the user's computer [18:51] RichEd: we don't actually have a copy online [18:51] LaserJock: fireman MrEd has put out the flame (with some earlier help) ... did you check back at the list [18:51] LaserJock: I thought I saw a copy 2 days ago ? lemme check [18:52] RichEd: hehe yes, if only we could squash your verbosity with ogra's pithiness ;-) [18:52] ogra goes for the 1 or 2 liner [18:52] RichEd goes for the thesis ;-) [18:53] LaserJock: needed the verbosity ... douse the flame with quantity ... where would you begin to fight back ? === ogra__ is now known as ogra [18:53] RichEd: validating people [18:53] you gotta point out where they are right to start with or they just get defensive [18:53] LaserJock: did you see the volunteer wiki page as a start ... [18:59] if im installing via the network, and not using ltsp, is there any reason to use edubuntu-desktop for the preseed rather than ubuntu-desktop? [18:59] also since i got the netboot file from the ubuntu site i don't see how to install the edubuntu add ons [19:01] ok il check it out on the cd, thanks [19:01] edubuntu addons are the different edubuntu-addon-* packages you can install on top of a standard Ubuntu or Edubuntu [19:01] edubuntu-desktop will bring the edubuntu look&feel + things like gobby [19:04] ok, ill have to try preseed again with edubuntu-desktop, i was having a problem getting a black screen upon reboot which the guys here helped me find the problem yesterday, i just dont know how to keep it fixed [19:15] LaserJock: there is a dev version of the handbook here [19:15] http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ [19:15] yeah, and it's really old [19:20] is there a way to start edubuntu in safe graphics mode [19:20] graystatic: there should be a boot option [19:21] as in, in the boot menu (you might have to hit ESC to see it) there should be a safe mode option === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [19:24] ok I'll try that [19:25] all I see is a recovery mode and a memtest96+ mode [19:26] ok [19:26] try recovery mode and see what that does [19:27] it might just drop you to a terminal [19:27] it does [19:27] hmm [19:27] is there a way to start it from there [19:27] well that would let you fix stuff I guess [19:27] what is it that you're having problems with? graphics? [19:28] well I see the loading scree with the loading bar [19:28] but when it reaches the end the screen goes blank [19:28] right [19:29] so I'm guessing you want to edit your xorg.conf file [19:29] where is that at [19:29] what kind of graphics card do you have? [19:30] one sec let me check [19:32] its a gateway alr 7200 [19:32] I can't figure out what the graphics card is [19:33] is that an oldish server? [19:34] a little oldish [19:34] but it says it supports up to 1280x1024 [19:35] yeah [19:36] === edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting === in 24 mins [19:36] I would say you should try a vesa driver at 1280x1024 [19:36] how would I do that [19:36] hmm, that's sort of a good question :-) [19:37] xorg.conf is currently automatically generated basically [19:37] I was able to run ubuntu in safe graphics mode [19:37] but how could I do that with edubuntu [19:37] or can you not do that [19:39] it should be the same [19:39] I don't know [19:39] there's no difference in booting/X between Ubuntu and Edubuntu [19:39] it did it automatically on my ubuntu install [19:40] could I boot into fluxbox instead [19:40] well [19:40] you aren't even getting that far [19:40] would that work and how would i do that [19:40] you have to have X running first [19:41] oh [19:41] gimme a minute to find some stuff [19:41] ok [19:41] I've not had to mess around with this stuff since they changed to automatic X setup [19:42] graystatic: can you see if /etc/X11/xorg.conf exists? [19:47] there does [19:49] awesome [19:50] graystatic: ok, if you do grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf what do you get? [19:50] one sec [19:51] a bunch of stuff [19:52] lots of "wacom"s? [19:52] sorry [19:52] I just got a new line [19:52] I just had run nano xorg.conf and was looking at that [19:52] ah, well that works to [19:53] do I need to change something in it [19:53] what we're looking for is the Driver line [19:53] in the "Device" section [19:54] ok it says cirrus [19:54] interesting [19:55] ok, what we want to try is vesa [19:55] now restart it [19:55] yeah [19:56] I'll be right back, gonna snag some lunch before the meeting [19:56] o [19:56] ok [19:56] thanks for the help [19:58] it worked thanks abunch [19:58] woo hooo [19:58] :) [19:58] === edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting === in 2 mins === meduxa is now known as toscalix [22:56] this look ok: d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install ssh