=== uga is now known as uga|away [00:57] Riddell: kdebase-kde4 isn't installed with -runtime or -workspace, so that needs to be added to the installed packages on the announcement === nosrednaekim is now known as nosrednaekimhi === nosrednaekimhi is now known as nosrednaekim [02:57] * echughes is back. [03:01] http://dot.kde.org/1197405276/ === cheguevara is now known as CheGuevara [03:20] ScottK: ubuntu and kubuntu membership are teh same. [03:20] Hobbsee: Oh. [03:20] ScottK: the CC would appreciate if people interested in kubuntu memberships got done by the kubuntu council. [03:20] you'll find one's a team of the other [03:21] Was that always true? [03:21] yes [03:22] OK. I learn something new every day. [03:23] ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/+members [03:23] has kubuntu-members as a team member. [03:24] Right and the other way around too. [03:26] i didn't see the other way around [03:29] which may mean my searching is crap - or that it's not there. [03:29] in effect, they're all members of u/k/e-members [03:30] * nosrednaekim whispers "x" [03:30] That and I could be on crack. Now that I look again, that seems more likely. [03:30] nosrednaekim: do they have xubuntu members? [03:30] ScottK: hah :) [03:32] Hobbsee: no clue... ;) but you ahd all the other letters in there ;) [03:32] heh [03:32] Riddell: you may want to fix the file conflicts in kdepimlibs, instead of me giving this one back [03:33] OTOH, i could just fix it [03:34] bugger. i marked the dupes the wrong way aorund [03:38] * Hobbsee wonders where that's even supposed to go [03:44] actually, looking at this, Riddell needs to fix a whole bunch of file conflicts [03:47] Hobbsee's making list, she's checking it twice .... [03:49] hehe [03:49] * Hobbsee gets the daily phonecall from $work [03:53] guys [03:54] I want to remove kde3, well allmost all of it and leave kde4 and be able to use amarok... [03:54] and use kde4 rc2 [03:56] just wait === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: KDE 4 transition in process, some deps are broken | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Two days to merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Developer Meeting Wednesday 12th Dec. at 23:00 UTC | Tutorial Day on Thursday 13th https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [03:56] there. [03:56] now people can read the topic, and stop telling us the same things over and over. [03:57] hal still needs to be fixed right [03:57] lol [04:04] hal should be fixed, i thought [04:04] it has built now [04:10] oh === NeZticle_____ is now known as NeZticle === uga|away is now known as uga === uga is now known as uga|away === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK === \sh_away is now known as \sh === meduxa is now known as toscalix === _czessi is now known as Czessi === kde4 is now known as buz_kde4 [09:36] yeah, kwin_composite is working [09:36] it seems to fail if you dont run it on the first X session [09:57] lets see how well kwin_composite runs in a kde3 session :P [09:58] better than compiz from the looks of it === Scorcere1 is now known as Scorcerer [10:29] this works surprisingly well, actually [10:29] you can even work with it :P === Shely is now known as Schneeflocke === cheguevara_ is now known as CheGuevara [11:41] Riddell: Ping: do you have a md5sum for the kubuntu kde4 rc2 live cd? and if so, could you make it available? (I only ask as the .iso is hosted on your space) [11:42] jussio1: can do, hang on [11:43] Riddell: many thanks :D [11:43] jussio1: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu-kde4-rc2.iso.md5 [11:44] Riddell: I would appreciate it if you were able to pop it on the wiki : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE4-RC2 [11:44] Riddell: great! [11:45] jussio1: it's a wiki, edit :) [11:45] Riddell: ok... hehe... wrote that before you posted... lol :P [11:48] Riddell: were you planning to fix some of the file overwrites in kdepimlibs before getting the whole lot rebuilt? [11:50] Hobbsee: nope, but feel free to [11:50] i don't know where the files are supposed to go. i was thinking of doing it earlier [11:52] Hobbsee: are there duplicated files? [11:52] Riddell: done :D [11:52] and thank you. [11:52] Riddell: yes [11:52] well, where duplicated files == file overwrites. [11:53] Hobbsee: I doubt that's the case, I have all the packages installed fine [11:53] Riddell: 3 people have filed busg already. [11:53] overlapping with older versions I'd expect [11:53] possibly [11:54] there's a complaignt on dot.kde [11:54] Unpacking kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 (from .../kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb) ... [11:54] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): [11:54] trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin [11:54] CheGuevara: they need to install the newer kdebase-bin [11:55] yeah thats what stdin was saying [11:55] add an apt-get upgrade in the guide to install rc2 [11:56] hi Lure, did you see the kmilo patch? http://tvu.org.ru/kmilo.patch [11:57] Riddell: no, I am in mess at work so doing overtime this week :-( [11:57] Riddell: no time for kubuntu :-( [11:58] nasty, good luck fixing that [11:59] meeting later, too === haggai_ is now known as haggai [12:38] may i ask: how is the progress on the libopenexr transistion ? [12:39] am i stupid or does kwin_composite really not display FPS as a number? [12:40] mikkael: what's still a problem for you? [12:40] I can't comment on your first question, the answer to the second is "it doesn't for me" [12:42] Riddell, yes, if i want some to install seom kde4 stuff then libopenexr2c2a nieeds to be installed (isnt at the moment). if i install 2c2a manually it want to remove a lot of my kde3 stuff [12:42] libopenexr2ldbl is installed. if i want to remove that it want to remove lot of things too [12:43] mikkael: oh kde4 hasn't happened at all yet, it was waiting on hal to compile [12:43] it'll be a while yet [12:47] so the whole kde4 is not working with hardy at the moment ? [12:50] correct [12:50] <3 [12:50] we could ask Hobbsee to kindly raise the build score for kdepimlibs/4:3.97.0-1ubuntu3 [12:51] too stupid that i upgraded to hardy just for earlier kde4 packages, glorious idea :) [12:52] heh [12:54] may kwin_composite isnt as stable as i thought [12:54] or maybe it's Xorg itself [12:54] thinking of it, it probably is [12:58] hi, I just tried to install KDE4 RC2 and kdebase-bin conflicts with kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4; is there some easy solution for this w/o deinstalling KDE3.5? [12:58] * Hobbsee points to the topic [12:58] !brokenkde4 [12:58] If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal [12:58] ahh wait...thought this was #kubuntu XD [12:59] should I try the command in #kubuntu? :-) [13:00] barcley: well, you should ask support questions over there. [13:00] mhm, ok :-) === HamishTPB- is now known as HamishTPB [13:31] b [13:32] * Reydan slaps Reydan around a bit with a large trout === Scorcere1 is now known as Scorcerer === Hobbsee is now known as Peer === Peer is now known as Hobbsee === reydan_ is now known as Reydan [15:29] Riddell: I've noticed a slight issue with the kde4 wrapper scripts, they don't pass on any options to the command it needs a '$@' after it [15:30] shouldn't be too hard to add [15:31] and the konqueror link in the kmenu is broken "kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing-kde4" should be "kfmclient-kde4 openProfile webbrowsing" [15:32] or maybe all the links in the kmenu with options, like the Find Files/Folders link "kfind %f-kde4" [15:33] yeah, all the ones that have options, it just adds -kde4 to the end which doesn't work with apps with options [15:33] I'd noticed that one, needs some fancy sed [15:43] damn i just hurried home to be in time for tutorials day and it's tomorrow not today :D [15:44] ah the excitement :) [15:44] * jpatrick finally found something for the pkg-talk === johnp_dev is now known as squiddo [15:54] still a meeting today :P [15:55] i miss my kde4 now :( === squid is now known as squido === squiddo is now known as johnp_dev [16:12] Riddell: just changing "| sed 's/Exec=.*$$/&-kde4/' \" to "| sed 's/Exec=[a-z]*/&-kde4/' \" should work, I've tested it on a load of .desktop files [16:15] stdin: great thanks [16:16] stdin: debdiffs welcome :) [16:16] hold on, I'll whip one up :) [16:17] well it's more than 1, it's needed for all the KDE modules [16:20] although it would be fairly each to do it in batch using for loops [16:23] you want the diffs versioned for hardy right? === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Hobbsee_ is now known as Essope [16:30] stdin: yes [16:35] Heya [17:54] Riddell: http://stdin.me.uk/diffs/ [17:55] stdin: genius! [17:57] took a while, I forgot to add the hardy deb-src so it got them from the ppa 1st time round :p [17:58] stdin: there's a few missing though [17:59] yeah, and I need to redo kdemultimedia... [17:59] having the flu is starting to effect me a bit [17:59] kdeaccessibility-kde4 kdeadmin-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdesdk-kde4 kdetoys-kde4 kdeutils-kde4 kdewebdev-kde4 [18:03] when we did have meeting? or did it go already [18:04] Tm_T: 5 hours [18:04] aah, thanks [18:09] hi are there amd64 packages for kde4 RC 2 for gutsy? [18:09] mendred: sure [18:09] Tm_T: no agenda items though [18:10] Anybody seen Tonio_? [18:10] Riddell : cool :)...is it the same as mentioned here ? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php [18:10] mendred: yes [18:11] thank u :) [18:11] Riddell: no broblems, still interested to be there if there is any action, big or not [18:11] * Tm_T hates fuzzy days and strong medication [18:12] Riddell: that reminds me, you still need to mention that they need to do an upgrade before installing the kde4 packages (to get the new kdebase) [18:13] stdin: i need to do a apt-get upgrade before installing kde4 ? [18:14] from the new repos? [18:14] mendred: yep, otherwise you'll get some overwrite errors [18:14] alright thanks :) [18:20] Riddell: and the rest of the debdiffs should be up now [18:31] stdin: able to do extragear-plasma too? [18:31] that should be the lot of them [18:31] shouldn't be a problem [18:33] hi [18:33] meeting today? [18:34] in about 4.5 hours [18:35] brrrrh [18:35] great [18:35] Riddell: nothing to be done for extragear-plasma [18:42] stdin: hmm [18:42] oh aye, no apps in it [18:42] yep :) [18:42] stdin: ok, great, thanks for that, should boost your launchpad karma up a bit once I upload :) [18:44] heh, it's been dropping a bit recently [18:44] shame LP doens't count PPAs :p [19:03] hi. I would like my application to get the contents of a file, that only the root user may access, using the KDE4 libs. which lib should I use? [19:07] Artemis_Fowl: #kde4-devel is a better place to ask [19:08] iKnow. But there I got no answer.... [19:11] what meeting? and why does it start at the same time as my exam [19:13] it's going to be quite boring today unless we add topics [19:14] so let's add! :o) [19:22] go on then :P [19:23] later, criticising kickoff now. [19:23] mhb: where? [19:23] why do all the developers keep informing the users that Kickoff is the way to go and it really, really is better? [19:23] * allee looks for entaining lurking [19:23] allee: one of aseigo's post, I'm fed up with the convincing (see above) [19:24] mhb: my kids had no problem with kickoff (whatever that's worth) [19:28] :o) [19:30] it is annoying, but it works. :) [19:30] right [19:30] I'd be happy with it if it were 95. [19:31] i rarely use menus. so i don't really care. [19:31] there were times were much thought was spend on how the hierachy of info looks like in the web. Today I don't care about hierarchy. I'm happy with a handful of 'most wanted' and a good search. I'm still not really used to kickoff, but it resembles my web habits much more that kmenu [19:31] kerry-search or alt-f2 is what i use. [19:32] for me, it is easy to click where I don't want to. [19:33] I'm also happy with a spotlight-like application search. [19:33] I don't need a menu at all. [19:33] katapult! [19:34] like that. [19:34] except katapult is dead because of the KDE4 devs :o) [19:34] howso? [19:36] alt+f2 in kde4 is nice. [19:36] some aseigo's alt+f2 dialog should replace it, shouldn't it? [19:36] hmm, I might intergate it [19:39] so I've heard they're going to freeze all bugreports for KDE3. [19:41] what a splendid idea, except maybe they don't even have KDE4 ready, parts like KDE4-PIM won't even be available with KDE4.0 [19:42] it's more like KDE4.-1 to me. [19:42] hmm, I thought there was probably going to be a kde 3.5.9 === uga|away is now known as uga [20:25] Maybe the distros that have to actually support KDE 3 for some time will come together and work something out. [20:35] Riddell: ping, did you get my /msg from last night? === meduxa is now known as toscalix [21:14] is there any updated icecream packages available somewhere? [21:15] 1.2-3 in Hardy [21:15] I just need it on my gutsy-server [21:15] !info icecream [21:15] icecream: Radio stream download utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-1 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 84 kB [21:16] huh [21:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icecream_(software) [21:16] is that the same icecream you are looking for? or [21:17] heh, that's what I thought [21:17] nixternal: no, I want the distcc-on-steroids icecream;) [21:17] !info icecc [21:17] :) [21:17] ;) [21:18] icecc: distributed compiler (client and server). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.0-2 (gutsy), package size 291 kB, installed size 1040 kB [21:18] ah [21:18] thanks [21:18] man, that threw me for a loop for a second [21:18] interesting how we have a release newer than what is in the suse ftp [21:18] heh [21:18] the power of communities? [21:18] I guess [21:19] mh [21:19] you forgot the b [21:19] :p [21:19] am i the only one with trouble launching kde4 rc2 desktop? [21:20] I haven't tried it...what error(s) are you getting? [21:20] when i try to choose the desktop at kdm, the screen goes black for a sec and the login menu comes back [21:21] hrmm [21:21] err...when i choose kde4, login -> goes black -> login again [21:21] is it just me or does hardy crash lately.. it keeps freezing when the system is under load and i show/hide yakuake quickly, or i use the volume control OSD repeatedly [21:21] gribelu: same here...well it isn't freezing, but it is slow as all hell [21:22] nixternal: mine freezes.. ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work, but apps keep working in the background, or i think so cause music keeps playing [21:22] something is obviously leaking, but I haven't pinpointed it yet...because after a reboot, it runs fine, and then after a while just slows down [21:22] hard reset is my only escape [21:22] i've had similar issues with gutsy [21:22] though it's been totally locking [21:22] i.e. nothing works [21:23] same here.. only the mouse cursor works, and music plays happily [21:23] had to reset twice today [21:24] my problem is probably something to do with hardware drivers since there seems to be no log trace of what happens when the system freezes [21:25] i've been using the same nvidia driver since it was released.. and everything else [21:25] but lately it's been crashing [21:25] i'm guessing some recent update to xorg or whatever === michaelk is now known as michael_k [21:56] guaqua: what does ~/.xsession-errors tell you? [21:57] urgh, sorry. my bad for not checking it out before [22:00] * ryanakca shrugs :) [22:01] fixed it? [22:01] a sex [22:01] s/x/c/g [22:01] :F [22:04] /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde: line 82: /home/gua/.kde4/share/config/startupconfig: No such file or directory [22:07] i'd go with rm -rf ~/.kde4 [22:07] but what does that file contain? === reydan is now known as Reydan [22:15] guaqua: no clue, google for it, maybe try getting the file from packages.ubuntu.com/ ? [22:15] what does yours have? [22:30] how do i modify the items in kdm? [22:32] guaqua: #kubuntu === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [22:48] meeting in ten? [22:48] in ten minutes [22:48] yes. [22:59] nixternal: ping, meeting [22:59] kwwii: ping, meeting [23:00] Riddell: right [23:00] kwwii: don't worry, it has an empty agenda :) [23:01] lol [23:04] hi! [23:04] hey, I installed kde4 and in order to get a full session I had to follow the rc1 steps ( editing the startkde and so on [23:04] i sthat normal? [23:05] or is that part of the broken? [23:05] lnxkde: a fix has been uploaded [23:07] Riddell: ok :D nice donwloading the updates to unistall all and re install it :) RIddell btw if I want to remove kde3 desktop and leave on ly the libs to run amarok and use KDE4rc2 [23:08] what shoudl I do..? apt-get remove kicker kdesktop bla bla? [23:08] or its there a easy way? [23:11] Riddell: I assume I can't apply for membership now? [23:13] Tm_T: sure [23:13] can? [23:13] then :)) [23:13] Tm_T: quick add yourself to the agenda :) [23:14] I can't [23:14] how come? [23:14] I have wiki allergy and shakes going [23:14] * Tm_T hates drugs [23:14] * stdin hates wikis [23:15] lol [23:16] Riddell, whats the ETA of kde4 on kubuntu (didn't wanna ask in meeting, 'cause of membership discussion) [23:16] cheguevara: of rc 2? [23:17] yeah, sorry [23:17] well it's in gutsy PPA, for hardy we just need to wait for the buildds to get round to building it [23:18] cool, thx [23:25] is there a general bug triaging guideline/how-to out there? [23:28] * claydoh feels he needs some hand holding, even tho he hates the thought of it [23:29] come to tutorial day tomorow :) [23:30] that I can't do, working my 12 hour day at the restaurant :( [23:30] claydoh: take a look at the logs [23:30] tho I may catch some at the end, depending on how long it lasts for [23:30] work at restaraunt tomorow as well actually lol [23:31] nosrednaekim: I will do thats for sure [23:31] well, I say restaurant, but i really mean my Wendy's :) [23:33] some may argue the tru 'restaurant' moniker [23:36] ardchoille: I don't know about cloacks, you probably need to ask someone on the irc council [23:36] hobbsee is as I remember [23:36] or as stdin says [23:37] it needs need a staffer to actually set it [23:37] s/need// [23:38] kwwii: enjoy America [23:40] Where is the qtdemo app in kubuntu? I can't find it with apt-cache [23:40] Riddell: thanks, can't wait to see my mom and spend the next couple of weeks not having to invite people over, clean up, etc :-) [23:42] Do I have to compile qt myself to get it? [23:43] steveire: I think it's in qt4-doc [23:43] stdin: btw should I join our kde4 team? [23:43] hmm i forgot what was the URL to view kubuntu only bugs [23:44] don't want to help them with damn gnome :P [23:44] Tm_T: if you plan on helping ;) but iirc it's an invite only team [23:44] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs [23:44] is that the one [23:44] stdin: that's exactly my plan [23:44] stdin: is upstream counted as help [23:44] ? [23:45] hmm, I guess [23:45] heh [23:46] sure if I can help with package issues, even better [23:46] well that's pretty much all it's used for [23:46] yes [23:46] except for the 2 people that assigned bugs it to [23:46] stdin: I don't seem to get an executable by getting qt4-doc [23:46] well I meant not only making packages buildable, but packages polished [23:47] also the qtdoc command opens konq on qt3 documentation. [23:47] stdin: ok, invite me if needed [23:47] stdin: otherwise, poke me when I can help, you know :) [23:48] Tm_T: I can't, I'm not an admin [23:48] poke Riddell or Hobbsee [23:49] well you got my point anyway [23:49] more like, invite me if that is needed, it's not for me anyway [23:49] I'm sure you can help with the KDE 4.0 release [23:49] membership I mean, it's for Kubuntu :) [23:50] does anyone use kubuntu-grub-splashimages [23:50] cheguevara: I did use, not anymore I believe [23:50] do u know if this bug 77493 still exists [23:50] Launchpad bug 77493 in kubuntu-grub-splashimages "grub menu.lst bootprefix parameter not working" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77493 [23:51] nope, sorry [23:51] steveire: it's in /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/qt4-demos.tar.gz (you compile it) [23:52] cheguevara: not sure, but /boot works [23:53] stdin: Oh right. That's not so convenient. [23:54] just installed [23:54] splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splashimages/KUBUNTU_splashscreen_blue_neon_logo_03.xpm.gz [23:54] so i guess its fine [23:54] not if your prefix is /some/strange/path, but if it's /boot then it's shorter :) [23:55] the bug reporter says "The simple way to fix the problem is to replace '${BOOTPREFIX}' with '/boot':" [23:55] so he's is /boot anyway [23:55] steveire: it doesn't take too long to compile/install it as I remember [23:55] but closed, someone will re-open it if it still happenes :P