[00:00] <maxo> BluesKaj: that's interesting, maybe I'll try removing them and see if it speeds things up for me
[00:02] <DerDui> mal ne andere frage, wie kann ich ein vorhandenes ntfslaufwek wieder mounten?
[00:02] <BluesKaj> <--- 64bit amd
[00:03] <DerDui> sorry, wrong language^^
[00:03] <ardchoille> !ntfs
[00:03] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[00:04] <DerDui> how to mount a windows partition, that i dont see in my folders
[00:04] <ardchoille> DerDui: ^^
[00:11] <Arvid> I'm trying to install RC2, but I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/812744
[00:11] <Arvid> what do I do now?
[00:11] <LjL> !brokenkde4 | Arvid
[00:11] <ubotu> Arvid: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[00:11] <BluesKaj> DerDui, check system menu /storage media
[00:12] <Arvid> LjL: will do
[00:14] <Arvid> LjL: hmm - it didn't quite do the trick: http://pastebin.ca/812749
[00:15] <deuryt1> xcell
[00:15] <stdin> Arvid: just add those packages to the end of the command
[00:15] <stdin> Arvid: kdebase-runtime-bin, kdebase-workspace-bin and libplasma1
[00:16] <LjL> stdin: uhm, know why precisely the RC2 repository feels like giving me new versions of my KDE 3.5.8 stuff?
[00:16] <Arvid> stdin: now it's doing something :)
[00:16] <stdin> LjL: because it is :)
[00:17] <LjL> i'm not sure i'm quite entirely comfortable with that
[00:17] <hydrogen> its necessary so that you can install kde4
[00:17] <stdin> LjL: kdebase was packaged slightly differently to allow it to better co-exist with kde4, that's all
[00:17] <Daisuke_Ido> still got it dropping back to kdm without starting the DE
[00:17] <LjL> stdin: ok, but what if new packages appear in gutsy-security or gutsy-updates?
[00:18] <stdin> LjL: the kdebase package will eventually be in gutsy-backports afaik
[00:19] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: edited the startkde script?
[00:19] <LjL> i'm still not convinced... but bah, i'll do it anyway
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: the page doesn't say a thing about editing startkde
[00:20] <stdin> LjL: it's not like it's my custom package, it's just backported from hardy
[00:20] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: yep, it's a little bug no one saw (fix is uploaded, just waiting on it to be built)
[00:20] <stdin> just edit /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and change line 3 from "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:ATH" to "export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH"
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> hah
[00:20] <stdin> make treats variables oddly
[00:21] <LjL> stdin: which is not quite stable as far as i'm aware... i'd rather aim at a *stable* system with an unstable KDE4 to play with when i feel like - a generally unstable system is not my goal :)
[00:21] <Daisuke_Ido> that explains everything (especially why it couldn't find cd or sed)
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> stdin: this looks likes its fun... they should do this to all developers who have bugs in their programs ...lol
[00:21] <afrol>  /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde has a typo in it for the kde4rc2 repo, is this known? (line 3, :ATH -> :$PATH)
[00:21] <Daisuke_Ido> afrol: it was just mentioned like...  10 seconds ago
[00:22] <stdin> LjL: the only thing that changed from gutsy to hardy kdebase is the packaging, same version of kde
[00:22] <afrol> Daisuke_Ido: doy, sorry!
[00:22] <LjL> stdin: yeah what with little bugs such as the one above (although the one above is about KDE4, ok) :)
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> afrol: no worries, at least you caught it, i was completely oblivious!
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> brb
[00:23] <Minataku> That's a pretty serious bug
[00:24] <hydrogen> its for the kde4 packages..
[00:24] <hydrogen> its not like its going to make someones system explode
[00:24] <Minataku> It's a blocker-class defect
[00:24] <Minataku> The fact that it wasn't caught means someone needs to be reprimanded
[00:24] <Minataku> A simple check consisiting of installing the package and testing it should have caught it
[00:25] <Ganondork> Where does konversation store script files?
[00:25] <Daisuke_Ido> intriguing
[00:25] <Ganondork> Daisuke: Where does konversation store script files?
[00:26]  * stdin reprimands Minataku for wanting to reprimand someone
[00:26] <Daisuke_Ido> erm
[00:26] <Daisuke_Ido> iunno
[00:26] <Ganondork> I forgot
[00:26] <hydrogen> $KDEROOT/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[00:26] <Ganondork> grrr
[00:26] <Ganondork> thanks
[00:26] <LjL> stdin, ignore.
[00:26] <Daisuke_Ido> that is a very large clock
[00:28] <Ganondork> hydrogen: what is the default file extension for a konversation script?
[00:28] <hydrogen> there isn't one
[00:28] <hydrogen> it could be any language
[00:29] <stdin> Ganondork: as long as the file is executable
[00:29] <Ganondork> hmmm
[00:29] <mschiff> hey i just tried to install rc2 packahes on gutsy.... but they want to overwrite kde3 files... :-/
[00:29] <Ganondork> I'm trying to write a script that displays random riddles, and I don't know what to save it as
[00:29] <stdin> *sigh*
[00:29] <stdin> !brokenkde4 | mschiff
[00:29] <ubotu> mschiff: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[00:30] <Titanous> I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png
[00:30] <Titanous> What should I do?
[00:31] <mschiff> stdin: I will try... I followed the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php, which seem to lack some information then...
[00:31] <Ganondork> fixed it
[00:31] <stdin> mschiff: yes, I've let the editor know
[00:32] <Daisuke_Ido> well, kde4 seems to work remarkably well
[00:32] <hydrogen> heh
[00:32] <hydrogen> how low standards have fallen
[00:32] <Daisuke_Ido> ...the taskbar is ugly as sin and i can't shrink the ginormous digital clock, but it works
[00:32] <hydrogen> :)
[00:32] <hydrogen> I'd say its passable
[00:33] <Daisuke_Ido> all in all, i'd rather go gnome
[00:33] <hydrogen> its still got a long ways to go before it can compete with kde3
[00:33] <hydrogen> although the new kwin is very nice
[00:33] <Daisuke_Ido> that is nice, built in compositing
[00:33] <stdin> hydrogen: wait until kde 4.5.8, that'll rock :p
[00:33] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Ido: I had to try to use a CentOS Gnome desktop the other day.  <shudder>.  Horrible.
[00:34] <hydrogen> stdin: thats a bad way to look at it thoguh.. new releases are supposed to add things, not take them away
[00:34] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: at least i can edit the *size* of the panel in gnome :\
[00:35] <stdin> hydrogen: I was saying in a slightly, sarcastic way, that: yeah, you can't really compare kde4 to kde 3.x
[00:36] <hydrogen> stdin: most people who say that say it defensivly,, in an attempt to justify it
[00:36] <hydrogen> which is why I responded as I did
[00:36] <Daisuke_Ido> so far i'm seeing less customization than 3.x
[00:36] <Daisuke_Ido> ...less customization than gnome...
[00:36] <stdin> hydrogen: I know the feeling there.. :)
[00:36] <Daisuke_Ido> ...  not for me, not yet
[00:37] <Chousuke> Daisuke_Ido: Who cares about the amount of customisation you can do.
[00:37] <Chousuke> I'd worry about being able to customise the things I want to customise.
[00:38] <LjL> if there's overall fewer things that can be customized, it's likely that there will be fewer things that can be customized which you want to customize
[00:38] <hydrogen> yes
[00:38] <Chousuke> Well, yeah
[00:38] <hydrogen> very little is customizable at this point
[00:38] <Chousuke> but making everything customisable isn't good either :/
[00:38] <hydrogen> and the panel is an iSore
[00:38] <hydrogen> but its usable
[00:39] <Arvid> So - I got KDE4 installed from the PPA now, but when i try to log in I just get thrown out (back to kdm) again
[00:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Arvid: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde - line 3, change ATH to $PATH
[00:39] <Chousuke> My number one complaint with KDE3 always was that it was too damn complicated.
[00:39] <Ganondork> hmmm
[00:40] <stdin> Arvid: you have a choice here, you can wait about an hour and get the update, or fix it manually
[00:40] <Arvid> stdin: If it's as simple as Daisuke_Ido says I'll fix it myself
[00:40] <Ganondork> ...
[00:40] <LjL> Chousuke: i can agree with that to an extent, however there's also pretty obscure features in KDE which are a big part of the *reason* i use it in the first place. such as having optional top-of-screen menubars.
[00:40] <Chousuke> there were so many options presented that finding the one I wanted was a chore :/
[00:40] <LjL> take away all those little niceties from me, and i'd probably go with GNOME
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> LjL: if i wanted a menubar at the top of the screen, i'd get a mac :P
[00:41] <LjL> Daisuke_Ido: that's nonsense.
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i've played with kde's, and it isn't too bad
[00:41] <LjL> there are a thousand other reasons why i'd not be getting a Mac.
[00:41] <Chousuke> I have a mac :P
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> my only complaint is lack of integration
[00:41] <LjL> and a top-of-the-screen menu bar isn't something specific to Macs, either.
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> firefox, for instance
[00:41] <Ganondork> grrrr
[00:42] <Ganondork> stdin: could you help me out with my script?
[00:42] <Daisuke_Ido> LjL: but it is the most famous "everyone's seen one" example
[00:42] <Chousuke> and just for the record, I have done quite a lot of customisation on it. :P
[00:42] <LjL> Daisuke_Ido, when i use KDE, i use KDE, and if i can avoid using non-KDE applications, i do, so that's not a huge issue for me
[00:42] <Daisuke_Ido> LjL: fair enough
[00:42] <stdin> Ganondork: I could, but there is #konversation too :)
[00:42] <Ganondork> ah
[00:42]  * hydrogen avoids firefox the the plague
[00:42] <hydrogen> err
[00:42] <hydrogen> like the
[00:42] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not a big fan of konqueror to begin with, and what toher choices are there?
[00:43] <deuryt1> xcell
[00:43] <Arvid> Daisuke_Ido: I guess you mean ATH -> $PATH and not just ATH -> PATH
[00:43] <Daisuke_Ido> that's what i said, isn't it?
[00:43] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[00:43] <XceII> ya
[00:43] <deuryt1> what happened in there?
[00:43] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure the $ is there :)
[00:43] <Arvid> Daisuke_Ido: sorry :/ My bad
[00:43] <LjL> Daisuke_Ido: it probably is, but that doesn't mean it's stupid to use such scheme on other systems, as you seemed to imply. i've been used to a top-of-screen menubar since forever, although i've never owned a mac. it's a feature that's been available in KDE for a long time. it hardly hurts anybody
[00:43] <NickPresta> is having 'kdebase-bin-kde3' removed when trying to install the KDE4 packages normal?
[00:43] <XceII> dont know was not there
[00:43] <Arvid> Daisuke_Ido: must have misread it
[00:44] <deuryt1> offtopic?  you just left
[00:44] <stdin> NickPresta: yep, it'll install kdebase-bin-kde4 to replace it (that's fine)
[00:44] <NickPresta> stdin, thanks.
[00:44] <deuryt1> you didn't stick around for th ko
[00:44] <Daisuke_Ido> LjL: nonono, i was mostly joking with the mac commend - notice the comment saying that i've used the menubar, and aside from minor integration issues, i really like it :)
[00:44] <deuryt1> the  ko
[00:44] <XceII> U r too aggressive to the ill understanding..they dont even have milk and you shove meat down their throat
[00:44] <Chousuke> top-of-screen menubar is nice if you have two monitors
[00:44] <Ganondork> stdin: I have something else I need help with
[00:44] <Chousuke> it saves some space from the second :)
[00:45] <deuryt1> too big of gloves ??
[00:45] <XceII> ya
[00:45] <LjL> uhm uhm uhm there's something else i'm missing.
[00:45] <deuryt1> well. I think like a tazer.......
[00:45] <Ganondork> stdin: [0.0000000]   ACPI DMI BIOS year==0 something something assuming ACPI capable machine
[00:45] <LjL> isn't installing kdebase-workspace and kdebase-runtime supposed to bring you, say, dolphin-kde4?
[00:45] <XceII> time to be gentle ..
[00:45] <LjL> if not, how exactly am i suppose to obtain a standard kde4 environment?
[00:46] <XceII> wait 20 mins and re-enter..and be cool
[00:46] <Ganondork> stdin: it says that when grub finishes loading and the screen says starting up. it freezes there and doesnt continue
[00:46] <nosrednaekim> LjL: yeah... I think dolphin is in workspace.
[00:46] <mot> hey, anybody herek now any utilities that will give me extended info on my RAM modules?
[00:46] <stdin> Ganondork: I'd assume that means that yo have a buggy BIOS, try booting with "noacpi"
[00:46] <mot> i'm shopping around for more RAM but don't remembre the clock speeds offhand...
[00:46] <LjL> nosrednaekim, well, i've installed those, but "Need to get 19.1MB of archives." sounded a bit suspicious... and dolphin-kde4 for instance is not installed
[00:47] <deuryt1> px  brb
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> LjL: hmm maybe the packages are different this time.
[00:47] <XceII> k
[00:47] <r0y4l> hi! does anyone know if it is possible to change the view of the file list in kate? i want to change it to a "tree like" view.
[00:47] <Ganondork> stdin: you mean press escape during grub's loading, and add in a new line?
[00:47] <r0y4l> atm it's only possible to change into ONE directory at once...
[00:47] <stdin> Ganondork: add it to the end of the kernel line
[00:47] <Ganondork> alright
[00:48] <Ganondork> I'll try that later
[00:48] <Ganondork> thanks
[00:48] <LjL> nosrednaekim: oh wait, kdebase-bin-kde3 has been removed for me as for NickPresta... stdin said that's normal, but i doubt that « dpkg: kdebase-bin-kde3: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: kdebase-bin depends on kdebase-bin-kde3 | kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4; however: Package kdebase-bin-kde3 is to be removed. Package kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 is not installed. » is also normal?!
[00:48] <Ganondork> stdin: I also tried booting into recovery mode, and when it froze, it said something like -n clocksource
[00:49] <nosrednaekim> LjL: whoah...
[00:49] <XceII> ya
[00:49] <NickPresta> LjL, using aptitude, I didn't get any dep. problems. *shrugs*
[00:49] <Titanous> I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png
[00:49] <Titanous> What should I do?
[00:49] <stdin> LjL: that's normal because kdebase-bin-kde4 isn't installed yet, it'll be installed after kdebase-bin-kde3 is removed
[00:49] <NickPresta> LjL, actually, I did. I missed the output. :)
[00:51] <Ganondork> stdin: do you know if there is a fix for NeoMagic video cards? My screen often gets little lines all over it in GNOME.  In KDE, there are vertical lines all over the menus
[00:51] <Alonea> is kde4 is the repos now or do I have to still compile it myself? Do I need to uninstall the compiled version and put on a different one now?
[00:51] <hydrogen> read the topic..
[00:52] <supert0ne1> anyone got a link to screenshots of rc2?
[00:53] <hydrogen> it looks the same as rc1
[00:53] <NickPresta> well, I'm successfully running KDE4 RC2 via Xerphyr xterm method. Looks neat
[00:53] <hydrogen> just a few more things might work.
[00:53] <LjL> perhaps dolphin-kde4 (and the lot of other stuff, using dolphin just as an example) is installed as a recommend, and for some reason my apt-get doesn't install recommends...? :|
[00:53] <Alonea> hydrogen: so sorry. completely didn't see it. ^^;;;
[00:53] <LjL> supert0ne1: google "kde 4 rc 2", first link
[00:53]  * hydrogen has been using kde4 as his only desktop for a few days now
[00:53] <stdin> LjL: kdebase-kde4 depends in dolphin-kde4 (in fact it's the 1st dependency)
[00:54] <stdin> Ganondork: can't say I do, sorry
[00:55] <Ganondork> stdin: I typed something into a konsole last time and that fixed it.  Someone here told me what to do because they had the same problem with another old Sony Vaio
[00:56] <stdin> LjL: hmm, guess what :) nither kdebase-workspace or kdebase-runtime depend on kdebase-kde4
[00:56] <LjL> stdin: indeed
[00:56] <LjL> it wasn't quite installed
[00:56] <stdin> right, let me try knocking up a wiki page to use for now as a link in the topic
[00:58] <Dragnslcr> RC2 not going as smoothly as you hoped?
[00:58] <stdin> I never expect it go go smoothly, but it's going better than RC1 :)
[00:58] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[01:00] <Dragnslcr> By the way, something I noticed earlier. Can't remember how Freenode handles it, but the channel isn't +t
[01:00] <adamonline45> I'm a kopete lamer...
[01:00] <Dragnslcr> I think that's a Bad Thing (tm)
[01:00] <adamonline45> How do I direct connect through the AIM protocol?
[01:01] <thagor> daew galera so novato aki..
[01:01] <Dragnslcr> adamonline45- not sure if it's implemented yet. You can try asking in #kopete
[01:01] <thagor> mais alguem poderia me explicar como instalr o Amsn
[01:01] <stdin> Dragnslcr: some people seem to want to remove +t to edit the topic (go figure)
[01:02] <stdin> Dragnslcr: and by "some people" I mean other ops
[01:02] <LjL> stdin: well on rc1 it did install stuff, though... :)
[01:02] <LjL> !br | thagor
[01:02] <ubotu> thagor: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[01:02] <Dragnslcr> stdin- heh, I noticed that. I thought "wait a sec, I thought +t only prevented non-ops from changing the topic"
[01:02] <stdin> LjL: it also had a load of overwrite errors :)
[01:02] <LjL> stdin: yeah well so does this one
[01:03] <stdin> LjL: not after a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", and one package isn't "a load"
[01:04] <DaveyJ> alright i'm trying to download RC2 of kde4, and i'm having a bit of trouble
[01:04] <Minataku> You'll have even more trouble installing it
[01:04] <DaveyJ> lol
[01:04] <Minataku> And you don't want to KNOW the trouble you'll have _USING_ it
[01:04] <DaveyJ> you know what i mean
[01:04] <Minataku> lol
[01:04] <DaveyJ> Unpacking replacement ktip ...Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:04] <DaveyJ>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb
[01:05] <stdin> !brokenkde4
[01:05] <ubotu> If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[01:06] <NickPresta> What is a good example of something "KDE4" that I can show off?
[01:06] <DaveyJ> i would have never figured that out on my own
[01:06] <DaveyJ> thank you
[01:09] <Titanous> I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png
[01:09] <Titanous> What should I do?
[01:09] <MilitantPotato> KDE4 was released?
[01:10] <MilitantPotato> .
[01:10] <NickPresta> MilitantPotato, *points at topic*
[01:10] <NickPresta> :)
[01:10] <illusionize> how would I go about mounting the toshiba gigabeat s series in kubuntu for use with vmware? I can see the device under sudo lsusb but that's it
[01:10] <moofoo> hello, i tried to install kde4-rc2 but i get dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin
[01:10] <MilitantPotato> ah RC stage still, cool.
[01:11] <DaveyJ> i keep getting the same error even when i try to enter in the command that the bot gave me
[01:11] <kyled185> !brokenkde4 moofoo
[01:11] <kyled185> !brokenkde4 | moofoo
[01:11] <ubotu> moofoo: If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[01:12] <moofoo> thanks
[01:12] <DaveyJ> thats what just happened to me moofoo
[01:12] <moofoo> maybe this should be put on the kubuntu.org site..
[01:13] <stdin> there are new temporary instructions in the topic already
[01:13] <moofoo> (i removed the two packages but not all)
[01:15] <DaveyJ> "Install all available updates (important to do this before continuing) "
[01:15] <illusionize> can any of this information be used in mounting my mp3 or is it all usless?
[01:15] <DaveyJ> i made a booboo
[01:15] <illusionize> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0930:0010 Toshiba Corp.
[01:15] <DaveyJ> is there a way to clear out whats trying to be installed?
[01:16] <DaveyJ> that way i can do other apt-get commands w/o having it automatically try and install something that failed
[01:16] <savetheWorld> hi, just encountered a small problem with networking on LTS 6.06 Kubuntu  i ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and got some errors about some postconf file not being there (sadly did not save the error)  Then i tried the system setting tools from the menus and when I opened the network services choice it gave me an erro about not being able to parse the XML in the config files?  Anyone seen this before? Anyone know a workaround?
[01:16] <stdin> DaveyJ: that's what the !brokenkde4 factoid is for
[01:16] <moofoo> i used aptitude as apt-get had troubles
[01:16] <stdin> try "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime libplasma1"
[01:16] <moofoo> s/apt-get/aptitude/ :)
[01:17] <stdin> apt-get works fine, and unless you installed with aptitude, then it makes no difference
[01:17] <DaveyJ> stdin: but when i go to do that.. it still gives me the same error
[01:17] <stdin> DaveyJ: pastebin them so I can see :)
[01:18] <moofoo> i installed everything aptitude and apt-get bailed out with the command.. anyway .. thanks for the hint ;)
[01:18] <DaveyJ> stdin: http://pastebin.org/11221
[01:18] <marx2k> I am trying to add this stream to amarok: http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=5114&file=filename.pls  --- but when I add it, it doesnt show up on the playlist, nor does it play
[01:19] <marx2k> and this happens with any stream I try to play in Amarok
[01:19] <Arvid> stdin: is there a devel package for kde4? which contains files like cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake
[01:19] <stdin> DaveyJ: you put kdebase-runtime twice, instead of "kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin"
[01:20] <NickPresta> marx2k, I just added it to my playlist. It plays fine (DJ Threat - The Unreaveling (156 heads tuned))
[01:20] <Titanous> I'm getting this on all my menus in a clean install of Kubuntu: http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1su9.png how do I fix it?
[01:20] <XceII> marx2k: That looks like a text file
[01:20] <DaveyJ> oh dear
[01:20] <marx2k> NickPresta: yep.. which is why Im asking in here :)
[01:20] <marx2k> Xcell: Nope, its a media stream
[01:20] <DaveyJ> but i copy and pasted!
[01:20] <XceII> wow
[01:20] <NickPresta> marx2k, well, I assume it works for others. Can you get the stream to play in another media player?
[01:20] <XceII> I couldnt load it either
[01:21] <marx2k> NickPresta: yep.
[01:21] <XceII> is it private?
[01:21] <marx2k> Xcell: No, its a shoutcast stream
[01:21] <XceII> oi
 try "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime libplasma1"
[01:21] <DaveyJ> see?
[01:21] <NickPresta> marx2k, when you load the playlist in Amarok, you should see several "songs" (links to choose from). Have you tried all of them?
[01:21] <DaveyJ> now its working :)
[01:21] <marx2k> NickPresta: thats the thing... nothing shows up in the playlist
[01:22] <marx2k> Amarok seems to be having net connectivity issues... but only Amarok.. no other player
[01:22] <stdin> Arvid: there are tons of -dev packages, "kdebase-dev-kde4, kdelibs5-dev, kdepimlibs5-dev, libkonq5-dev, libplasma-dev" should get just about all of it
[01:22] <XceII> marx2k:  It cant..it seems invalad.
[01:22] <NickPresta> marx2k, hmm, strange. *shrugs*. Perhaps you should ask in #amarok. See if other amarok users can get it to load. They might be able to diagnose your problem.
[01:22] <marx2k> Ill ask in #amarok :)
[01:22] <Arvid> stdin: okey - thanks
[01:22] <stdin> DaveyJ: ok then :p "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin libplasma1"
[01:23] <moofoo> illusionize: try to activate MSC transfer mode on the device if possible.. it's probably using MTP..
[01:23] <DaveyJ> lol its working now :) thanks
[01:23] <XceII> marx2k:  report back with fix..thanks
[01:24] <stdin> !no brokenkde4 is <reply> If  you're trying to install KDE4 RC2  but getting errors about files being overwritten, first remove all the KDE4 packages using the !Terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin libplasma1 » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[01:24] <DaveyJ> yay time to go play :)
[01:25] <XceII> Play with what?
[01:25] <XceII> oi
[01:25] <NickPresta> XceII, KDE4
[01:25] <XceII> ah..I cant
[01:26] <XceII> he'll be back..lol.
[01:27] <XceII> Cant wait for hardy..should rock the house.
[01:28] <XceII> marx2k left without report..hmn.
[01:29] <savetheWorld> hi, just encountered a small problem with networking on LTS 6.06 Kubuntu  i ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and got some errors about some postconf file not being there (sadly did not save the error)  Then i tried the system setting tools from the menus and when I opened the network services choice it gave me an erro about not being able to parse the XML in the config files?  Anyone seen this before? Anyone know a workaround?
[01:30] <savetheWorld> Alternatively - anyone know how i can re-initialize the xml config files for networking?
[01:30] <savetheWorld> strangely  eth0 and lo are up, I can ping stuff on the LAN, but DNS isn't owrking
[01:30] <savetheWorld> *working
[01:32]  * lavacano201014 Smells Like Teen Spirit - Never Mind - Nirvana (x«amarok)
[01:32] <XceII> global intrusive trash.
[01:32] <BluesKaj> lavacano201014, who cares..
[01:33] <ardchoille> lavacano201014: Can you please turn that global music post off?
[01:33] <BluesKaj> over rated band anyway :)
[01:33] <dmcglone> Hey X
[01:33] <XceII> ya
[01:33] <XceII> hey
[01:33] <XceII> good 2 c ya dude
[01:33] <dmcglone> get the modem fixed?
[01:33] <XceII> works well
[01:33] <dmcglone> likewise
[01:34]  * lavacano201014 Yesterdays - Greatest Hits - Guns N' Roses (x«amarok)
[01:34] <XceII> cya
[01:34] <dmcglone> cool
[01:34] <XceII> lol
[01:34] <BluesKaj> uhmm, shall we summon the authorities ?
[01:34] <dmcglone> what are you talking about Blueskaj?
[01:35] <BluesKaj> not that it's real busy in here
[01:35] <XceII> dmcglone: cya in off topic in 10,,,,k?
[01:35] <XceII> k
[01:35] <dmcglone> k
[01:35] <dmcglone> #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:35] <XceII> ya
[01:35] <XceII> things 2 do..in 10
[01:36] <marx2k> ok...apparently rebooting solved the Amarok connectivity issue...
[01:43] <jembouge> hi there
[01:44] <nosrednaekimhi> hi jembouge
[01:44] <jembouge> for some reason I removed kdmtheme and reinstalled it again
[01:44] <jembouge> hi nosrednaekimhi
[01:44] <jembouge> the thing is, the logging screen doesn't use any theme anymore... :'(
[01:44] <jembouge> anyone knows how to fix this?
[01:45] <jeramy> Anybody else out there unsuccessfully install KDE 4-RC2?
[01:45] <nosrednaekimhi> jeramy: tons of people..
[01:46] <jeramy> Hm.
[01:46] <nosrednaekimhi> !brokenkde4
[01:46] <ubotu> If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[01:46] <jeramy> ok.  Thanks.
[01:47] <jeramy> Funny thing is that it looks like a KDE 3 package.
[01:47] <jeramy> k3b and a few other programs depend on it
[01:47] <nosrednaekimhi> jeramy: yeah.... kdelibs5
[01:47] <nosrednaekimhi> its being replaced with a more kde4 compatible version
[01:48] <jeramy> Oh, I already removed that one.
[01:48] <BluesKaj> notice term "unsuccessfully'...not worth the trouble til it's ready fpr prime time , from the reports I've read
[01:48] <thegattaca> hi, #ubuntu has no answer ... how does one make flash player work on gutsy 64bit?
[01:48] <nosrednaekimhi> erm... wait..not that one... the kde3 libs...
[01:48] <nosrednaekimhi> !flash64 | thegattaca
[01:48] <ubotu> thegattaca: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[01:48] <thegattaca> thanks :D
[01:49] <jeramy> I get "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin"
[01:49] <hydrogen> !fixkde4
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixkde4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <hydrogen> !brokenkde4
[01:50] <ubotu> If you get errors about files being overwritten when installing KDE4 RC2, first use the !terminal to remove old KDE4 packages: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime ». Then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ». Then install KDE4 as normal.
[01:50]  * nosrednaekimhi goes to the scrollback for stdins instructions
[01:50] <hydrogen> I knew it was one of the two :P
[01:50] <nosrednaekimhi> oh... they updated it! yay!
[01:51] <stdin> hydrogen: if you'd have waited a few seconds you'll have seen the new streamlined command :)
[01:51] <tekteen> hi guys
[01:51] <nosrednaekimhi> hi tekteen
[01:51] <stdin> !brokenkde4
[01:51] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[01:52] <jeramy> Here's what I get when I run that:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47902/
[01:52] <stdin> jeramy: try the "new" command
[01:52] <stdin> sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}'
[01:52] <stdin> opps
[01:53] <stdin> sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}')
[01:53] <jeramy> Sweet.  That worked.  :)
[01:53] <Voyage__> > what are sys requirments for ubuntu?
[01:54] <nosrednaekimhi> Voyage__: I'd say about 800mhz and 256 of ram for Kubuntu
[01:55] <tektee1> hi
[01:55] <jtt> k3b on gutsy fails to copy a cd looked on google no info anyone have any info about this have latest k3b version
[01:55] <jeramy> Hi tekteel
[01:56] <tektee1> ?
[01:56] <tektee1> my name is tekteen
[01:56] <tektee1> I am going to try logging in again
[01:56] <tektee1> :-)
[01:56] <lavacano201014> it got nuked
[01:56] <BluesKaj> jtt , install libdvdcss2 from the medibuntu repository
[01:56] <stdin> lavacano201014: don't enable talking scripts in these channels
[01:57] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | jtt
[01:57] <ubotu> jtt: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[01:57] <lavacano201014> stdin: i wasnt tring
[01:57] <lavacano201014> trying*
[01:57] <jeramy> Funny... both tekteen and tekteel came up when I hit tab.  :)
[01:57] <lavacano201014> just on one of my EFNet chans i was
[01:57] <stdin> well your amarok script was on and spamming several channels
[01:57] <lavacano201014> on
[01:57] <jtt> BluesKaj, thanks will look it over
[01:58] <lavacano201014> stdin: i am an xchat n00b
[01:58] <tektee1> anyone know why if I tell pidgin my name is tekteen I am logged in as tektee1
[01:58] <jeramy> Nope.  :)
[01:58] <lavacano201014> tektee1: tekteen is already in here
[01:58] <stdin> lavacano201014: if you want to be able to join #ubuntu-offtopic again then you should head into #ubuntu-ops and ask forgiveness ;)
[01:58] <BluesKaj> use konversation
[01:59] <tektee1> lavacano201014: Interesting
[01:59] <lavacano201014> stdin: i wasnt aware i was banned from #u-o again
[01:59] <lavacano201014> thanks for the heads up
[01:59] <jeramy> again?  D-oh!
[01:59] <LjL> stdin, any reason you don't say to install kdebase-kde4 in the wiki?
[02:00] <stdin> LjL: because it's 2am and I forgot :p I'll add it
[02:00] <LjL> stdin: heh... is that the only thing that should need to be installed anyway aside from the standard two?
[02:01] <nestor> holA lavacano201014
[02:01] <stdin> LjL: no, kdebase was separated into 3 separate packages (by kde not us), and they don't actually depend on each other
[02:01] <LjL> stdin: like, uhm, i think rc1 installed stuff like okular as well? (or not?)
[02:02] <stdin> LjL: okular is a separate package, not part of the kde release
[02:03] <LjL> ok
[02:05] <jtt> BluesKaj, thanks for the info never copied a cd before only created ISO images good info momentarily forgot about the RIAA and their corhorts trying to restrict my Legal copying
[02:06] <stdin> LjL: nope, I'm wrong :p it was a separate package, now it's in kdegraphics
[02:06] <kyled185> so with KDE4 RC2 are we supposed to install kdebase-kde4
[02:06] <nosrednaekimhi> kyled185: yes
[02:06] <kyled185> alright thanks
[02:08] <kyled185> and the new packages automagically let one select a KDE4 session when logging in?
[02:09] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm having trouble getting into a full kde4 session when logging in, can anyone help me out?
[02:10] <nosrednaekimhi> Ch1ppy: what does it say?
[02:10] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: I don't get the option to choose kde4 at all
[02:11] <nosrednaekimhi> Ch1ppy: you look in the sessions menu?
[02:11] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: sure did
[02:11] <nosrednaekimhi> Ch1ppy: you may beed to restart kdm, not sure.
[02:11] <newuser> Hello all,, Is there a program I can use to view a file created in my camera.....  It is a .mov file
[02:11] <nosrednaekimhi> *need
[02:11] <nosrednaekimhi> !w32codecs
[02:11] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:11] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: ah, okay.  Will try that, thanks
[02:12] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: should I be running kdm-kde4 or does it matter?
[02:12] <stdin> Ch1ppy: no, the normal kdm will work
[02:12] <nosrednaekimhi> Ch1ppy: no, shouldn't have to
[02:12] <Ch1ppy> stdin: thanks again :)
[02:12] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekimhi: and you too :)
[02:13] <newuser> Is there a program to view .mov files is gutsy??
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> haha.... didn't realize I changed my nick :D
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> !w32codecs | newuser
[02:13] <ubotu> newuser: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:15] <newuser> ok...  I am a "newuser" and I dont mean to burden anyone but I don't know what it means to see nosrednaekim's message   !w32codecs and I dont know exaxtly what to look for in the last message either
[02:15] <newuser> using 7.10
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> newuser:  you need to ead the link to that wiki.
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> *read
[02:17] <hoopoe> can you post the link about installing 64bit flash please??
[02:17] <Ch1ppy> hey, I've tried restarting kdm, but still no option to select kde4 as a session, anyone have any ideas?
[02:17] <newuser> sorry guys... I dont mean to be so ignorant but where is       !w32codecs
[02:17] <newuser> do I search online?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> newuser: ! is a bot command
[02:17] <Hobbsee> so, ubotu replied to that command, as you'll see above
[02:17] <newuser> in terminal?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> newuser: take a look at this page http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:18] <Hobbsee> [13:13] <ubotu> newuser: The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> oops... actually wong thing :D
[02:18] <Hobbsee> newuser: ^ bot
[02:18] <Hobbsee> !ubotu
[02:18] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> !medibuntu
[02:18] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[02:18] <jeramy> !w32codecs
[02:18] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:18] <jeramy> Just had to try it.  :)
[02:19] <tekteen> anyone know why the network interface would change everytime I reboot my computer (from eth1 to eth2 to eth3 ...) .
[02:19] <tekteen> It is a new computer so I am so far up to eth20
[02:19] <Ch1ppy> hey, can anyone help me getting into a kde4 session?  the option isn't showing up as an option when I login
[02:20] <stdin> Ch1ppy: you choose it before you login
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: yowy!
[02:20] <jeramy> Ch1ppy: I ended up adding something to /usr/share/ in RC1.
[02:20] <newuser> ok  I did  /msg ubotu medibuntu in a terminal window and nothing came up
[02:20] <Ch1ppy> stdin: sorry that bit was a little ambiguous, I know that, that's where there's no option
[02:20] <jeramy> Is it still necessary?
[02:20] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: I have 2 network problems
[02:21] <Ch1ppy> jeramy: I had that from RC1, and it didn't say for this one, but when I didn't get the option I tried doing that again, it's not showing up
[02:21] <stdin> Ch1ppy: do you have kdebase-workspace-data installed and kdebase-kde4 ?
[02:21] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: the other is that knetwork manager does not see my wireless card.
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: but iwconfig does?
[02:21] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: ye
[02:21] <tekteen> yes*
[02:21] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: I just installed it with ndiswrapper
[02:22] <stdin> Ch1ppy: and kdebase-workspace-bin as well
[02:22] <jeramy> dohhh.. kdm-kde4 fails in the postinstall
[02:22] <Ch1ppy> jeramy: oh yes, I got that too :)
[02:22] <stdin> jeramy: why are you installing kdm-kde4 anyway?
[02:22] <jeramy> Why not?
[02:22] <stdin> you don't need kdm-kde4
[02:23] <Ch1ppy> stdin: apparently not, although I thought I did.  Will try again now, thanks
[02:23] <jeramy> Oh.  I wanted to test out what the fonts look like.  I'm currently using gdm, and the fonts look tiny in kde4
[02:23] <stdin> Ch1ppy: see the new link in the topic for a slightly updated instructions
[02:24] <jeramy> Switching between the two login managers made a big difference way in the past, so I thought I'd try for the heck of it.
[02:24] <stdin> the kde3 version of kdm is much more stable
[02:25] <jeramy> I believe you.  I just wanted to see it.
[02:25] <Ch1ppy> ah, isn't this a fun little adventure :)  Now when I try to login to kde4 it throws me back to the login screen with no errors
[02:25] <jeramy> Any idea why the font is so tiny?
[02:25] <stdin> Ch1ppy: now update :)
[02:26] <Ch1ppy> stdin: update?
[02:26] <Ch1ppy> stdin: you mean upgrade?
[02:26] <jeramy> ie... dist-upgrade
[02:26] <stdin> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:26] <stdin> so both actually
[02:26] <Ch1ppy> stdin: rgr, running now, thanks
[02:27] <Ch1ppy> trying again :)
[02:30] <Ch1ppy> hello again, and sorry for being such a pain.... I'm all upgraded, but I still get thrown back to the login screen with no error when I try to get into a kde4 session
[02:30] <stdin> what does "apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace" show (pastebin it)
[02:31] <Ch1ppy> stdin: ^_- it wasn't installed... that's messed up
[02:31] <stdin> Ch1ppy: have a look at the wiki page in the topic, install the packages it says :)
[02:32] <Ch1ppy> stdin: that's the thing, I did
[02:32] <Ch1ppy> stdin: so I'm a little confused.  Trying again though, brb
[02:34] <Voyage__> > what are sys requirments for ubuntu?
[02:35] <NickPresta> Voyage__, CDs require 700MB media. Desktop install requires at least 256MB of RAM and 3GB of available hard drive space.
[02:37] <Ch1ppy> okay, I actually have all the packages now, am fully up to date, and I still get thrown back to the login screen when trying to start a kde4 session.  Any ideas?
[02:37] <NickPresta> Ch1ppy, have you fixed the "broken" KDE4 problem?
[02:37] <stdin> what version of kdebase-workspace" do you have
[02:37] <Voyage__> NickPresta what processor should i have
[02:38] <Ch1ppy> NickPresta: "broken" KDE4?
[02:38] <Ch1ppy> stdin: 3.97.0
[02:38] <stdin> Ch1ppy: that's not the full version
[02:38] <Ch1ppy> stdin: ^_-
[02:39] <NickPresta> Voyage__, x86 architecture, Pentium, Celeron, Athlon, Sempron, 64bit AMD and Intel and Sun UltraSPARC based
[02:39] <Ch1ppy> stdin: I'm fully upgraded
[02:39] <Ch1ppy> stdin: or did you want the full version name?
[02:40] <stdin> Ch1ppy: the full, whole version-release
[02:40] <Ch1ppy> stdin: Installed: 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2ubuntu1
[02:40] <stdin> Ch1ppy: ok, look in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and post back line 3
[02:41] <Ch1ppy> stdin: export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH
[02:41] <stdin> good, that at least tells me that it's not the "bug" from before
[02:42] <rance> is there a way to "trick" the package database to let you install a non-64bit package on a 64bit box?  Im specifically asking about opera and firefox packages so flash, etc will still work, am I on the wrong track? is there a better package related way do do this?
[02:42] <stdin> Ch1ppy: try starting a kde4 session in xephyr and see if it starts then
[02:42] <Ch1ppy> stdin: sure thing, one sec
[02:42] <stdin> !flash64 | rance, yes this page tells you how
[02:42] <ubotu> rance, yes this page tells you how: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:43] <Ch1ppy> stdin: that works nicely
[02:44] <stdin> Ch1ppy: well it's not the install then, I guess the next step is to try logging into kde4 as a different user and/or looking at /var/log/kdm.log and ~/.xsession-errors
[02:45] <Ch1ppy> stdin: alright, I will mess around a bit and see what I can find.  Thanks for the help :)
[02:45] <stdin> no problem
[02:47] <jeffm__> HI, all.  I have a quock question about the automatic clock synchronization in the Date & Time Control Panel.
[02:47] <dmcglone> go ahead jeffm__
[02:47] <jeffm__> I have an ipcop box on my network and it's set to sync to pool.ntp.org.  I'm trying to be a good citizen and have my other internal linux boxes sync to my ipcop box.  I just can't find the setting to specify the NTP server.
[02:48] <kkerwin> Hi. What is the current solution that enables one to use an ATI card and AIGLX?
[02:48] <jeffm__> The Control Panel in question gives me a droplist, but no space for an arbitrary server.
[02:48] <jeffm__> and grep ntp.org /etc gives me nothing.
[02:48] <dmcglone> thats way over my head.
[02:51] <dmcglone> sorry jeff, I have no experience with syncing time on a network.
[02:52] <jeffm__> dmcglone: no problem.  I'm wondering what that option actually does -- it doesn't seem to have any real effect since I'm not seeing ntpd running.
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> jeff__- I noticed that too. I ended up having to install ntpd myself. Not sure if that's a bug or what
[02:55] <jeffm__> Dragnslcr: so that's the likely solution?  install ntpd and skip the setting in control panel?
[02:55] <jeffm__> Dragnslcr: That's kind of the way I was heading -- I just wanted to see if anyone else had done it any other way.
[02:55] <Dragnslcr> I think so, yeah
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> The package is just called "ntp"
[02:56] <jeffm__> The System Settings screens -- is that KDE or Kubuntu?  Meaning if I looked for KDE Date & Time would the hits apply, or should I be looking for Kubuntu Date & Time?
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> I think KDE
[02:57] <genii> kde
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> It's the same control panel as right-clicking the clock and going to Adjust...
[02:57] <jeffm__> K, thanks.  I'll do some quick research to see if I can figure out where that setting actually gets stored.
[02:58] <jeffm__> Dragnslcr: ah, so it is.
[02:58] <SudoKing> hello, how do I install something with a makefile?
[02:58] <genii> !compile
[02:58] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[03:02] <jeffm__> All, everything I read points to needing NTP (seems obvious).  What isn't obvious is that without NTP running (not enabled by default under Kubuntu), telling KDE to set the date and time automatically doesn't work.
[03:03] <jeffm__> I would assume that once NTP is installed, the KDE Date & Time panel will change the NTP server specified in /etc/ntpd.conf.  About to test in a moment.
[03:03] <osiris> is there a cli command to force a snych with NTP server ?
[03:04] <jeffm__> osiris: not sure.  I'm apt-getting right now
[03:04] <jeffm__> and for some reason, my transfer rate is abysmal.
[03:04] <osiris> i got it at 66k
[03:04] <osiris> but just the client pack, not the server side
[03:05] <jeffm__> Yeah, that's all I'm getting.  but for some reason, it seems to be taking forever.
[03:05] <Ch1ppy> stdin: hey, so I've checked it out, and the only error I found was a missing file (startupconfig) in my kde4 directory.  Logging in as another user worked.  I tried removing my .kde4 directory, but nothing, so I tried copying that file from the working user's .kde4 into the corresponding location on mine, and then kde4 started but wouldn't get past the first little bit, giving me the error "Please contact your administrator".  Any ideas? :S
[03:05] <jeffm__> yeah, 3.7K
[03:07] <genii> osiris: ntpdate <servername>
[03:08] <osiris> wow, that made my screen suspend kick in
[03:08] <osiris> weird.  but it DIO sych my clock
[03:08] <jeffm__> the sync probably made your clock jump to the future by enough for the screen suspend to trigger.  You must have been way behind.
[03:09] <genii> The screen suspend is weird, yes
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> osiris: of course, because it sudely detected that your monitor had not been actuve for an extensive peroid of time :D
[03:09] <genii> nosrednaekim: Ah, nice call
[03:09] <osiris> thats what i figured
[03:09] <osiris> it didnt confuse me, just startled me
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> *suddenly and Active
[03:09] <raptor22x> is there possible to update kde to version 4
[03:10] <jeffm__> osiris: One of those, "Oh, crap, do I have to go buy a new monitor tomorrow?" moments.
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> genii: had me surprised the first time too, thought I had killed the computer or something :p
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[03:10] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[03:10] <osiris> naw.  more like, "did fluxbox just choke for no reason ? do i need to drop to a term and kill X ? "
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> raptor22x: actually, take a look at the channel topic
[03:11] <newuser> hello again... How exactly do I add repositories???   I did it once but don't remember where I found them??  I have a toshiba laptop satalite A205-s4707 is there a specific repository that may be better for me?
[03:11] <osiris> !source-o-matic
[03:11] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> !repositories | newuser
[03:11] <newuser> I know how to add them I dont know where I found them\
[03:11] <ubotu> newuser: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> newuser: ah... what repositories?
[03:12] <osiris> now, when i do ntpdate, does that synch the bios clock too ?
[03:12] <newuser> Please explain,,,  what does the      !repositories mean?
[03:12] <osiris> is there a way to change the HW clock from cli ? i though i remember that from an old linux book years ago
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> newuser: thats for if you don't know how to add repositories.
[03:13] <newuser> i have http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> osiris: "date"?
[03:13] <osiris> asking, or telling ?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> newuser: ok, thats simple to add,
[03:13] <genii> yes, "date"
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> osiris: rhetorical Q.... so both XD
[03:13] <newuser> Yes, and Im sorry but where do I look at   !repositories?  do I search google
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> newuser: Do you know how to add a repository?
[03:14] <genii> newuser: No, open your browser to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:14] <newuser> Y
[03:14] <newuser> where can I find them for 7.10
[03:14] <genii> Clicking on the link given by ubotu sometimes works to make the browser go there
[03:15] <newuser> that site takes me to older versions of ubuntu
[03:15] <newuser> will they still work with newer versions\
[03:16] <genii> newuser: Substitute "gutsy" for whatever they show
[03:16] <jeffm__> All, I have no idea where the KDE Date & Time Control Panel stores its NTP server settings.  I don't think the Time Server-related options I set on that screen have any effect on my machine.
[03:17] <newuser> also on my laptop i have a core due and in systray it is reporting 800mhz each and it should be 2.0????\
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> newuser: frequency scaling... do something to use alot of CPU and that will jump up.
[03:18] <newuser> ok,,,  so its normal?
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> newuser: yeah
[03:19] <newuser> thx
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> newuser: as long as you don't notice any slowness
[03:20] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm trying to get into a kde4 session, but it seems that kde4 doesn't like my user account.  I can login under a different user, and it works fine, but when I try my account kde4 won't start at all.  I've tried removing .kde4 and the same thing occurs, so I have no idea how it could be specific to my account.  Any ideas?
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: sure its using the .kde4 not the .kde3?
[03:21] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: I get an error about a missing file in .kde4, so yes
[03:21] <jembouge> nite evryone
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: which missing file
[03:22] <mediacenter> hello..  im looking for help with mounting a hfs+ mac disk with kde
[03:23] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: "startupconfig".  I tried copying that over to my account, and kde4 would then start to run (slight progress), but would stop just after beginning and hang.
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: try copying your whole .kde4 over...
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> !hfs | mediacenter
[03:24] <ubotu> mediacenter: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[03:24] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: from the other one?  I tried doing that but kept getting a thing about the folder being omitted...
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: hrm.
[03:24] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: my thoughts exactly :)
[03:25] <theverant> has anyone else here had issues with Dolphin tanking their system?
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> Ch1ppy: did you try #kde4-devel?
[03:25] <theverant> when I try to select multiple files it OFTEN kills KDE completely
[03:25] <theverant> x restarts
[03:25] <mediacenter> thanks for the quick reference
[03:25] <theverant> it's not always, but it's a lot
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> Dolphin is.....not very good, I still use konqueror.
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> or at least, the kde3 dlphin isn't
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> the kde4 dolphin is great
[03:26] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: I could try that, thought I would ask here first though.  Any ideas on how to copy over the folder?  It would probably work if I could do that, but cp just won't do it
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> cp -R
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> for recursive
[03:26] <theverant> I think I got the same behaviour in konq yesterday.  I will use it more consistantly and see if the problem is in both
[03:26] <theverant> I prefer konq for most stuff, but Dolphin does have a nice clean interface which I enjoy
[03:27] <Ch1ppy> nosrednaekim: ah, that works.  Will try it now, thanks
[03:27] <ardchoille> Keep in mind the "dolphin" in gutsy is not dolphin, it's d3lphin.. a fork that is no longer developed.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> except by us <_<
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> or rather...mhb
[03:28] <theverant> well it's kind of annoying that it's default, then
[03:28] <ardchoille> theverant: I couldn't agree more.
[03:28] <theverant> especially given the waton damage it has caused me - including a few hours in Gimp lost
[03:29] <theverant> anyway, I'm not complaining... I was just wondering if this behaviour was normal, or if it was just my system or what
[03:30] <newuser> ok  I only have two repositories listed in my software sources list....   I know how to load them,,, I need to know how to find the repositories... I have updated them in the system but the update manager says they all cannot be updated.. IS this because they aren't in the software list????
[03:30] <newuser> updating 198 upgrades
[03:31] <newuser> or is it installing through package manager even though it isnt in the software list of software repos???
[03:31] <SudoKing> When I've ran the make install and it's complete, how do I run the compiled app?
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> newuser: those 198 updates are updates on programs
[03:31] <newuser> oh... this is a partial upgrade
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: depends on that it is called
[03:32] <newuser> ok... Im tring to get sound and a substitute for flash... Is there a repository that has these files?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: what did you install?
[03:32] <newuser> gnash isnt working
[03:32] <SudoKing> its from a tar.gz file
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> !flash | newuser
[03:33] <ubotu> newuser: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:33] <BonesolTeraDyne> SudoKing: What is the name of the app?
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> newuser: use the official flash
[03:33] <SudoKing> I know what the name of the app, however I do not know what it called it :P
[03:33] <newuser> ok... again   not to be a pain but what does it mean   " !flash
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: well, whats the name?
[03:33] <SudoKing> dancer
[03:34] <newuser> what is the command or funtion I need to do to read on it
[03:34] <SudoKing> newuser: that's how you operate ubotu :P
[03:34] <BonesolTeraDyne> newuser: the "!" activates ubotu's sayings.
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> newuser: !<whatever> is a bot command.... read the thing ubotu said after that.
[03:34] <newuser> hahaha   when you give me    !flash I dont know what to do with it
[03:34] <SudoKing> read what ubotu says :P
[03:34] <jtt> anyone know of any specific problems with plextor dual-layer burners on gutsy platform
[03:35]  * SudoKing thinks that's a rather creative name for an ubuntu bot
[03:35] <newuser> what does the ! mean and where do I put it to read up on flash
[03:35] <ardchoille> newuser: /msg ubotu !flash
[03:35] <newuser> in a term window
[03:35] <jtt> !dual-layer |jtt
[03:35] <newuser> on google search??? where does the ! flash go?
[03:35] <SudoKing> nosrednaekim, so how do I run it? :?
[03:35] <SudoKing> newuser: ignore the !
[03:35] <SudoKing> its just the prefix
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: try "dancer"
[03:35] <SudoKing> ok
[03:36] <SudoKing> "command not found"
[03:36] <SudoKing> hmm
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> SudoKing: lol, it should be in the README in the source DIR
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[03:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:36] <SudoKing> all-knowing, hehe =P
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bye everyone!
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:38] <johnficca1> do they have a gobuntu for kde?
[03:38] <johnficca1> or a free version of kubuntu?
[03:39] <SudoKing> kubuntu is free, anyhow
[03:39] <johnficca1> not the kernel?
[03:39] <SudoKing> the kernel's free
[03:39] <johnficca1> run vrms
[03:39] <SudoKing> open source
[03:39] <SudoKing> nosrednaekim, the README file was empty LOL :?
[03:40] <SudoKing> oh their not here :(
[03:40] <BonesolTeraDyne> SudoKing: he means that it isn't completely "Free Software".
[03:40] <newuser> is there a list of repositories?
[03:41] <BonesolTeraDyne> johnficca1: You could always try installing Gobuntu and then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:41] <newuser> I think Im getting the hang of it..Did some reading
[03:41] <johnficca1> yeah thats a good idea
[03:41] <nonewmsgs> how can i disable focus follows cursor
[03:41] <SudoKing> how do i run the .sh file, then?
[03:41] <nonewmsgs> bash xxxx.sh
[03:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> SudoKing: "sh <name of file>"
[03:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> SudoKing: "sh <name of file>"
[03:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> gah, I hit the up key
[03:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> I ment to say that you could also use "./<name of file>"
[03:43] <SudoKing> Um, it looks like its giving a wrong directory, what file do I need to edit?
[03:43] <nonewmsgs> nm i found it under window behavior
[03:53] <SudoKing> I'm in as root, why does it say Permission denied when I run ./launch.sh ?
[03:56] <lnxkde> SudoKing: just do this
[03:56] <SudoKing> =?
[03:56] <lnxkde> sudo chmod u+x yourfile.sh
[03:56] <lnxkde> then u can run it
[03:56] <lnxkde> ;)
[03:56] <SudoKing> ok :)
[03:57] <SudoKing> :D done, I just need a way to edit the file
[03:57] <SudoKing> it appears blank in Kwrite
[03:57] <neville__> nano?
[03:58] <SudoKing> eh, I'm not very good at working with cmd-line based text editors
[03:58] <SudoKing> =(
[03:58] <lnxkde> SudoKing:   sudo nano -w yourfiile
[04:00] <SudoKing> Inxkde: how do you save the file when you're done? =)
[04:01] <ciasa> has anyone here used the kde 4 RC 2 packages provided by kubuntu?  I'm having trouble installing them.
[04:01] <ciasa> the provided packages are trying to overrite file from the kde3 packages
[04:01] <hydrogen> !brokenkde4 | ciasa
[04:01] <ubotu> ciasa: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[04:05] <hellonull> how do i turn desktop effects off via konsole?
[04:06] <ciasa> is it really necessary to use the kde3 packages from the ppa?  I'd like to test the kde4 packages, but then remove the ppa source and go back to just the kubuntu sources later
[04:06] <Dragnslcr> You mean Compiz?
[04:06] <SudoKing> Um, it keeps saying permission denied to the folder I have the .sh file in even though I'm root + I set the chmod permissions?
[04:07] <hellonull> dragnslcr: no, kwin in 7.10 w/ kde4 rc2
[04:07] <raptor22x> exit
[04:07] <Dragnslcr> I have no idea then
[04:07] <raptor22x> ooops wrong place
[04:11] <newuser> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a'  to correct the problem... I Did but it didn't change anything..??
[04:13] <newuser> I cant get into adept without a system crash every attempt
[04:13] <level1> why is ~/.xsession-errors given the magical ability to be deleted without freeing any space?  It was listed as taking up 3.2GB (all of my availible space on the drive) so I deleted it, but my drive is still full.  Where did my space go?!?
[04:15] <hydrogen> if something still has that file open its not yet deleted
[04:16] <hydrogen> so thats probably what your seeing
[04:16] <level1> where did my space go? I really want it back... why do I have to keep deleting my own files because X is taking all my space and not giving back...
[04:16] <hydrogen> restarting is probably the easiest way
[04:16] <hydrogen> then symlink .xsession-errors to /dev/null
[04:16] <level1> I'll be very happy to do that
[04:17] <newuser> is there no help for new user
[04:17] <wilson> newuser: is there any error message ?
[04:17] <newuser> look up[ i typed it already thx
[04:18] <wilson> what happened when you did 'dpkg --configure -a'
[04:18] <wilson> did it ask you to run anything else
[04:18] <wilson> maybe try it again and look carefully
[04:20] <newuser> wilson are ya with me??  Do you understand what is going on here?
[04:21] <wilson> yep you cant get into adept
[04:21] <newuser> above that
[04:21] <newuser> is the error mess
[04:21] <wilson> yes
[04:22] <wilson> but dpkg might have another error
[04:22] <newuser> do you know how to help me...
[04:22] <wilson> i guess not ?
[04:22] <newuser> ok
[04:24] <marcelo> olas
[04:26] <newuser> i have a software index that was broker     but I cant get into synaptic to fix broken link]
[04:26] <newuser> broken
[04:27] <wilson> need to see what dpkg says
[04:28] <newuser> no way to tell..    No matter what I try i still get      dpkg was interrupted, you  must manually run  dpkg --configure -a  to correct the problem
[04:28] <newuser> I do but there is not change\
[04:30] <newuser> I cant believe I'll have to reinstall the operating system again
[04:30] <newuser> ??
[04:32] <genii> !aptfix
[04:32] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:32] <genii> hmm
[04:32] <genii> sudo ?
[04:32] <SudoKing> yes?
[04:32] <newuser> command not found
[04:32] <genii> SudoKing: Heh :)
[04:33] <SudoKing> oh you beeped me I thought you were asking something
[04:33] <genii> newuser: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:33] <SudoKing> pft
[04:33]  * genii hands SudoKing a consolation coffee
[04:33]  * SudoKing gets beeped when someone says "sudo" :P so I kind of have to hold my ears in here while I wait for support, but oh well =D
[04:34] <newuser> working it  THX
[04:34] <newuser> processing triggers
[04:36] <newuser> O M G UBOTU!!!!!   you saved me so much time and effort.. I was going to reinstall the os to fix the problem ...  What a GODSEND  Thank You
[04:37] <SudoKing> heh
[04:37] <SudoKing> hmmm
[04:37] <SudoKing> !welcome
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about welcome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <SudoKing> lol
[04:37] <SudoKing> =(
[04:37] <genii> newuser: sudo is often important to put before certain commands to make them run with proper permissions
[04:38] <SudoKing> usually root :P
[04:38] <genii> newuser: Glad you don't need to reinstall now anyhow :)
[04:38] <ardchoille> !sudo
[04:38] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:38] <genii> ardchoille: I'm avoiding offtopic btw ;)
[04:38]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee for all
[04:39] <newuser> ok guys Im almost there.. I have 1 broken package and I cant find it... I tried the broken filter but nothing seems to be there    how do I find the broken Pkg?
[04:39]  * neville__ steals the pot of coffee intended for all
[04:39] <deuryte> xcell
[04:40] <deuryte> its decaf.......
[04:40] <XceII> deu..wait 120 secs before pass word...shit down pidgin and do again
[04:40] <neville__> Lol!
[04:40] <XceII> shut
[04:40] <XceII> sry
[04:40] <neville__> Hahaha
[04:40] <XceII> lol
[04:41] <deuryte> I already did
[04:41] <Voyage__> iam using virtual box to run winxp .  how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .
[04:41] <XceII> damn
[04:41] <newuser> looks like I figured this one out..... Thanks for the help people..
[04:42] <deuryte> oyur welcome......... olduser
[04:42] <XceII> deu...shut down pidgin...start back up...)wait 120 secs to give pass...(wait). do mit bye
[04:42] <deuryte> 4
[04:46] <mm_202> Hey guys.  Anyone know why 4GB of RAM only shows up as 3.21GB? Kubuntu 7.10 linux 2.6.22-14-generic
[04:47] <genii> shared memory?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> That is an interesting topic mm_202  :)
[04:47] <hellonull> is there a kde equivalent of gnome's metacity?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> yea. for a start. Your video card isent taking part of ot is it?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> hellonull,  kde uses 'kwin' as its window manager. gnome uses metacity
[04:48] <hellonull> dr_willis: would i use kwin --replace to turn off desktop effects, then?
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> mm_202: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> 32 bit or 64 bit
[04:48] <deuryte> xcell, too tired will do it tomorrow
[04:48] <mm_202> Dr_willis: no, I have a nice nVidia card, so I highly doubt it.  At POST it shows up as 4092MB (4MB short of 4GB), but not ~700MB short.
[04:49] <mm_202> 32bit
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> then that's why
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> the OS can't use the whole 4gb
[04:49] <mm_202> And I do have a AMD 2X  64bit...  but that shouldnt have anything to do with the 4GB limit
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> the OS can't even see the whole 4gb
[04:49] <mm_202> Daisuke_Ido: wtf not?
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> because it's a 32-bit OS.
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> if you want it all, go 64 bit
[04:50]  * mm_202 doesnt think that sounds like a simple upgrade
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> download 64 bit iso, burn 64 bit iso, install 64 bit version of kubuntu
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> !amd64
[04:51] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[04:51] <jalbert> !wifi
[04:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:51]  * genii ponders altering apt.conf to read x86_64 
[04:52] <mm_202> Daisuke_Ido: besides the extra ~750MB of RAM, does a 64bit Ubuntu have anything else to offer for the trouble?
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> uses the extended registers available to the 64 bit architecture, so you'll see a bit of a performance increase
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> but it's not without drawbacks
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> The drawbacks are that Ubuntu, with APT (the package manager for Ubuntu), currently does not support BiArch, which means you likely won't be able to install and run 32bit packages on your AMD64 install. This is a problem for users who wish to use Flash, w32 codecs, and WINE (for example), as they are only available for 32-bit. There are possible methods of getting it running, but they involve creating a chroot (see
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> DebootstrapChroot), for example.
[04:53] <jalbert> hey all
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> that's slightly outdated, as i think flash works alright now, though i won't swear to it
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> your best bet is stick with 32 for right now, until 64's better supported
[04:53] <jalbert> I'm having a problem with accessing USB external NTFS hard drives
[04:54] <supert0nes> sorry to annoy, but could someone throw out the broken package command to the bot
[04:54] <mm_202> Daisuke_Ido: thanks, sounds good.
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix > supert0nes
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> check your private messages
[04:56] <supert0nes> oh oops i meant for the kde4 rc2
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> !kde4rc2
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde4rc2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <mm_202> Daisuke_Ido: hmm, it seems that 32bit archs can see and use the entire 4GB, but PAE must be enabled.  Anyone have any luck/experience with that?
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, this is news to me, i have no idea about that
[04:57] <mm_202> k
[04:57]  * mm_202 will figure it out and report back
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !brokenkde4 | supert0nes
[04:57] <ubotu> supert0nes: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> mm_202: good luck
[04:58] <genii> 32bit server kernel is pae enabled
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> server kernel
[04:59] <jalbert> is there some kind of driver needed for USB hard drives?
[04:59] <newuser> wow,,,  I really did a lot of updating and stuff but I still cant listen to Yahoo music...  The screen doesn't load up and there isn't sound on my sys... Can some one help me get it
[04:59] <supert0nes> thanks
[05:00] <Daisuke_Ido> newuser: to my knowledge, yahoo music doesn't work
[05:00] <Daisuke_Ido> yahoo videos do though
[05:01] <Daisuke_Ido> this is what i heard several months ago though, it may well have changed
[05:01] <genii> usb-storage
[05:01] <newuser> so I cant watch discovery video's or listen to  music with ubuntu?
[05:02] <Daisuke_Ido> you are aware that there are many many more ways to listen to music than through yahoo
[05:02] <Daisuke_Ido> right?
[05:02] <genii> jalbert: see if command:lsmod|grep usb_storage        produces a result
[05:03] <newuser> hahahaa   No... Im not... Im an ol fart that never had time to explore other music venues... how can I??
[05:03] <jalbert> "lsmod|grep usb_storage"?
[05:03] <genii> jalbert: Yes
[05:04] <jalbert> OK I got:
[05:04] <jalbert> usb_storage            72256  0
[05:04] <jalbert> libusual               17936  1 usb_storage
[05:04] <jalbert> scsi_mod              142348  6 sbp2,usb_storage,sg,sd_mod,sr_mod,libata
[05:04] <jalbert> usbcore               134280  7 ndiswrapper,usbhid,usb_storage,libusual,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[05:04] <newuser> as far as yahoo music... When I sign in it always works with windozzz
[05:05] <jalbert> was that too many lines to paste?
[05:05] <genii> jalbert: Then usb_storage is already loaded
[05:05] <Daisuke_Ido> newuser: open amarok, go to the playlists tab on the left, and check out radio streams
[05:05] <genii> jalbert: Normally 3 or more lines is much but it's comparatively slow today ;)
[05:05] <newuser> cool  I will thx
[05:05] <Daisuke_Ido> should be pre-loaded with cool-streams and shoutcast streams (i believe)
[05:05] <jalbert> ok then why can't it see the NTFS drive in there?
[05:06] <genii> !paste
[05:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:06] <genii> jalbert: ue abovementioned pastebin to post the results of the command:  sudo fdisk -l
[05:06] <jalbert> ok
[05:06] <jalbert> fdisk?
[05:06] <genii> yes
[05:06] <genii> sudo fdisk -l
[05:09] <jahttp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47915/
[05:09] <genii> ok reading
[05:10] <jalbert> it's seeing it, but it won't mounbt :(
[05:10] <genii> is it in /etc/fstab ?
[05:11] <genii> eg:   grep -e sdb -f /etc/fstab
[05:11] <genii> should show a rssult if it is
[05:11] <jalbert> nope
[05:11] <genii> *result
[05:12] <jalbert> no /dev/sdb1
[05:12] <genii> jalbert: Need to make an entry then
[05:12] <jalbert> oh wait
[05:12] <jake_> I'm getting an error while trying to install the KDE4 packages for Gusty
[05:12] <jake_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:12] <jake_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb
[05:12] <jake_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:12] <jalbert> when I ran the command
[05:13] <jake_> apt-get -f install isn't working
[05:13] <jalbert> nothing at all came up
[05:13] <genii> jalbert: That means it wasn't found.
[05:13] <jalbert> ok
[05:13] <jalbert> so I need to add it then
[05:13] <genii> jalbert: Kmenu..System Settings..Advanced tab..Disks and Filesystems
[05:14] <genii> jalbert: Does it show there? sdb2
[05:14] <genii> sdb1 rather
[05:14] <newuser> to install realplayer 10 for linux is there a specific destination folder to put it in to enable it to work with firefox or opera?
[05:15] <jake_> ideas? current kde4 apps in the kmenu aren't working as I expected
[05:16] <Daisuke_Ido> !brokenkde4 | jake_
[05:16] <ubotu> jake_: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[05:16] <jake_> thanks!
[05:17] <jalbert> genii: yes it does
[05:19] <genii> jalbert: Then you should be able from there in Administrator Mode to allow regular users to mount it, etc
[05:19] <genii> jalbert: Since is removable normally would have automount not on
[05:19] <jalbert> ok
[05:20] <jalbert> for some reason, the login dialog isn't coming up
[05:21] <jalbert> one sec
[05:21] <genii> jalbert: Since we used sudo recently it should remember you are doing admin things recently and not bug all the time
[05:21] <SudoKing> you used me? when?
[05:21] <SudoKing> oh
[05:22] <genii> SudoKing: I think you need to switch your beep flagging to sudok from sudo ;)
[05:22]  * genii slides SudoKing a consolation beer
[05:24] <jalbert> I know, but the window border is red...
[05:24] <jalbert> one sec
[05:25] <Daisuke_Ido> newuser: i've gotta ask, and i know i'm going to regret it, but...  why realplayer?
[05:25] <jalbert> I'm going to reboot
[05:25] <genii> red border = good
[05:25] <jalbert> Daisuke_Ido, maybe he has some old porn from like 1998
[05:26] <jalbert> one sec, rebooting
[05:27]  * genii wonders of this "rebooting" thing
[05:27] <deuryte> xcell
[05:27] <uberbob> anyone have any problems with blender starting up? I'm getting segmentation faults
[05:28] <newuser> well, like I said, Im an ol fart and never really looked into anything else.. It was what worked at the time and still Doesnt work with my system.. I think I need drivers for my sound and video still because i get a distored video page with no movement
[05:29] <newuser> also it works seamlessly with any browser on Windozzzz   so i thought it would work well on linux also as long as they have linux installations for it... \
[05:32] <Dr_willis> I thought realplayer had some linux  type licensed player. i forget the name
[05:32] <Dr_willis> Realplayer has really fallen from where it used to be. :)
[05:33] <newuser> so far I've been and continue to be discouraged with the laptop... NO sound or Video capabilities for web so far...   I think i need drivers?? any ideas??  Toshiba satallite A205-s4707   not sure what is in it... Got it at walmart supersale black friday $768.  reg price  $398. for me... Got 2
[05:34] <Dr_willis> with some of the new laptops and their chipsets you might need the latest versions of alsa I think.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> as for 'video for web'  a lot depends on the site/kind of video.
[05:35] <newuser> Dr_willis realplayer 10 gold  I just installed it but I still cant see video online.. I miss MY DISCOVERY.COM !!!!
[05:36] <newuser> where can I find the alsa
[05:36] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[05:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:36] <newuser> this is a new laptop    shouldn't it have the latest already?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> the chipset is so NEW that alsa might not have support for it yet.
[05:37] <newuser> i see
[05:37] <Dr_willis> or its some variant/bugged/changed version of an older version thats causing issues.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Gotta love the ever changing standards/chipsets :)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Of coruse with the next release of ubuntu, the laptops may work. BUt then there may be new laptops that then have new chipsets that may not work.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> My laptop dident do linux too well when i first got it. Its now a year old. and works Great with ubuntu.
[05:39] <newuser> ubotu   hello again,,,  Yes it is x'ed
[05:39] <Dr_willis> !bot
[05:39] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:39] <Dr_willis> ubotu is a bot. :) that spits out factoids on demand.
[05:39] <jalbert> genii: I'm getting this error: Unable to enter file:///home/jalbert/<mount point>. You do not have access rights to this location.
[05:40] <newuser> thx
[05:40] <jalbert> how can that be? I'm logged in as myself!
[05:40] <ardchoille> jalbert: Look into the permisions/ownership of the mountpoint
[05:41] <jalbert> It says the owner is root
[05:41] <ardchoille> aha :)
[05:41] <jalbert> :/
[05:41] <genii> sudo chown -R jalbert:jalbert /home/jalbert/<mountpoint>
[05:41] <ardchoille> genii got it :)
[05:41] <newuser> hahahaha   Boy I guess I got a lot to learn and am having fun doing it to thanks to all of you for your help tonight,,, I gotta shut down    son has  an early practice tomm... Later
[05:41] <genii> substitute mountpoint accordingly
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I dident think one normally chmoded mountpoints that way.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> is this a windows/ntfs or other filesystem?
[05:42] <genii> Dr_willis: Definitely not good practise, I agree
[05:42] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Well, I didn't think one normally made mountpoints in $HOME
[05:43] <jalbert> genii: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[05:43] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  i normally put links in Home pointing to the right /media/whever :)
[05:43] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Links I can see, but not mountpoints
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Of course with the various FUSE things.. i do have mountpoints in there. :)
[05:44]  * genii ponders `newline'
[05:44] <Dr_willis> may be a typo in the bash script, or an extra cr/lf issue.. or a dash/bash issue
[05:44] <Evil_> I didn't think Kubuntu installed a firewall by default, but frostwire says a firewall is blocking it
[05:44] <Dr_willis> !firewall
[05:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:45] <picharritas> hola, alguien habla español?
[05:45] <genii> Dr_willis: I just re examined what I put, looks right
[05:45] <Dr_willis> It has a firewall with no rules by default.
[05:45] <ardchoille> !es | picharritas
[05:45] <ubotu> picharritas: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:45] <hydrogen> the default policy is ACCEPT though
[05:45] <Dr_willis> jalbert,  what text editor did you use?
[05:45] <hydrogen> so you shouldn't have anything blocked
[05:45] <jake_> ok, thanks. KDE4 is working great.
[05:45] <jalbert> I'm using Konsole
[05:45] <genii> jalbert: Should't matter
[05:46] <jalbert> it's a bash shell
[05:46] <ardchoille> jalbert: konsole, yes, but which editor in konsole?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Ive seen 'issues' befor where people use windoes notepad.exe - THAT can cause issues..
[05:46] <deuryte> hey!!  dr phil ? !11  er I mean dr willis?
[05:46] <jalbert> I just typed it at the command line in Konsole
[05:46] <kaankee> i installed java5 using spt-get install command but when i type java -version command i am getting the following error
[05:46] <kaankee> The program 'java' can be found in the following packages:
[05:46] <Dr_willis> "Please state the nature of the Linux emergancy" :)
[05:46] <genii> jalbert: You got the newline error after the chown command or when you tried to mount the drive?
[05:47] <kaankee>  * cacao
[05:47] <kaankee>  * j2re1.4
[05:47] <kaankee>  * kaffe
[05:47] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:47] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:47] <kaankee>  * jamvm
[05:47] <kaankee>  * java-gcj-compat
[05:47] <jalbert> when I typed that line into the console, I got that error
[05:47] <kaankee>  * gij-4.1
[05:47] <kaankee>  * gij-4.2
[05:47] <kaankee>  * sablevm
[05:47] <kaankee> Try: apt-get install <selected package>
[05:47] <kaankee> -bash: java: command not found
[05:47] <kaankee> plz help me...
[05:47] <Lynoure> !pastebin
[05:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:47] <genii> jalbert: OK cut and paste it from here to konsole then
[05:47] <Daisuke_Ido> WHOA there, getting a little superexcited with the pasting
[05:47] <genii> sudo chown -R jalbert:jalbert /home/jalbert/
[05:48] <genii> then put the name of the dir you have there as mountpoint
[05:48] <jalbert> appears to be changing permissions to every subdirectory on that HDD
[05:48] <jalbert> thanks
[05:48] <Dr_willis> kaankee,  if using Gutsy/7.10 - i belive the 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras' will install java and other web/media bits
[05:49] <kaankee> i am using kubuntu 7.10
[05:49] <genii> then it must have been mounted
[05:49] <jalbert> yay
[05:49] <jalbert> :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> kaankee,  install that package then :) its a must get on any of my new installs
[05:50] <Dr_willis> !find restricted-extras
[05:50] <ubotu> Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras, ubuntu-restricted-extras, xubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:50] <Dr_willis> Just to make sure i spelt it right. :) its   kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:50] <kaankee> k.. thanks... i am installing now..
[05:50] <hellonull> do restricted extras include nvidia restricted drivers?
[05:50] <genii> I'm not sure how chown on an ntfs filesystem might affect how it runs if you have xp/2k/vista etc running off it normally
[05:50] <hydrogen> it wouldn't matter
[05:50] <jalbert> well it's an old drive I pulled out of a laptop
[05:51] <hydrogen> ntfs doesn't respect ownership
[05:51] <jalbert> it has an XP installation on it
[05:51] <kaankee> where can i find multiverse repository in kubuntu
[05:51] <Dr_willis> genii,  with vfat/ntfs - Im pretty sure you Must mount them with the proper umask, or other options.
[05:51] <ardchoille> kaankee: If you're running Gutsy, it should already be enabled
[05:51] <Dr_willis> or use the ntfs-3g stuff.. Not sure how it handles the  permissions.. need to read those docs some day
[05:51] <genii> Dr_willis: He had an automatic entry already in fstab
[05:52] <jalbert> um...
[05:52] <jalbert> it's still giving me the same error when I click the icon
[05:52] <kaankee> i am new to kubuntu.. i dont know anything about gutsy.. i am using kubuntu 7.10
[05:52] <Dr_willis>  Hmm - My ntfs-3g fstab entry -->  /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[05:52] <genii> Dr_willis: I'm just vaguely worried if chowning to some linux username of it might affect booting/running Windows from it
[05:52] <Dr_willis> kaankee,  GUtsy IS 7.10
[05:53] <tahsin> can anyone give me the link to the ubuntu channel?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> genii,  i have never seen that happen. I would guess it would give an error about how it cant chown/chmod the stuff.
[05:53] <jake_> irc://#ubuntu@irc.freenode.net
[05:53] <Dr_willis> genii,  in fact i seem to recall that exact issue befor  when copying stuff to a ntfs drive.
[05:53] <genii> jalbert: OK. In konsole: sudo nano /etc/fstab           then go to the end of the very last word of the very last line. Hit enter a few times then save it
[05:54] <genii> jalbert: Do that by ctrl-x then choose Y or yes to save, enter key for default name
[05:54] <Dr_willis> the 'fte' editor can show newlines and carrage returns both.. But im not sure how they would of gotten in there.
[05:54] <jalbert> what's nano?
[05:54] <genii> I suspect the fstab needs a newline
[05:55] <genii> jalbert: a text editor for consoles
[05:55] <hydrogen> echo ' ' >> /etc/fstab
[05:55] <hydrogen> tadaa
[05:55] <genii> hydrogen: nope, needs admin priv
[05:55] <Dr_willis> hydrogen,  just be sure to use >> and not > :)
[05:55] <genii> and sudo echo >>somefile doesn't work, try it
[05:55] <hydrogen> echo '' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[05:55] <hydrogen> tadaaer
[05:56] <hydrogen> or you could open a root console..
[05:56] <genii> hydrogen: Better :)
[05:56] <hydrogen> its not that complicated
[05:56] <jalbert> ok should I post the results?
[05:56] <genii> jalbert: If less than 3 lines or so sure
[05:57] <genii> otherwise pastebin
[05:57] <jalbert> hold on
[05:57] <hydrogen> there shouldn't be results..
[05:57] <jalbert> !pastebin
[05:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:57] <genii> hydrogen: Thats my thought too
[05:58] <jalbert> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47925/
[05:58] <hydrogen> ohh
[05:58] <hydrogen> heh
[05:58] <jalbert> ok now what am I supposed to do?
[05:58]  * hydrogen lets genii continue with this one
[05:58] <genii> I see the issue
[05:58] <XceII> Dr_willis: Help...bill gates has fallen and cant get up....j/k.
[05:58] <hydrogen> jalbert: unix files expect a blank line at the end of them
[05:58] <hydrogen> for the most part
[05:58] <hydrogen> so go to the last line
[05:58] <Dr_willis> XceII,  quick get the lawnmower!
[05:58] <hydrogen> and hit enter
[05:58] <jalbert> yeah
[05:59] <XceII> lol
[05:59] <hydrogen> then Ctrl-x, y, enter
[05:59] <hydrogen> to save it
[05:59] <jalbert> so go to: /dev/sdb1 <mount\040point> auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0
[05:59] <genii> jalbert:  the convention of using <something> in instructions means to replace <something> with the real thing thats relevent to your setup
[05:59] <jalbert> and hit enter?
[05:59] <XceII> genni: u my buddy.
[06:00] <hydrogen> ahaha
[06:00]  * hydrogen didn't see that part
[06:00]  * Dr_willis think there was some oddities in that line..
[06:00]  * Dr_willis is vastly confused now..
[06:00] <XceII> lol
[06:00] <XceII> bill on the mind
[06:00] <Dr_willis> \040point   ? where did \040 come from?
[06:00] <jalbert> so I have to edit the path of the mount point?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> The path to the mountpoint must be correct and the directory for the mount point MUST exist befor somthing is mounted to it.
[06:01]  * hydrogen thinks its far past time for a gui fstab editor
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[06:01] <genii> as a mountpoint
[06:01] <genii> replace it with something like  /home/jalbert/sdb1
[06:01] <jalbert> I can see that
[06:01] <XceII> duh
[06:01] <genii> then save that file, do in konsole: mkdir ~/sdb1
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I perfer /media/Porn :)
[06:02] <XceII> oi
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> hydrogen: this IS the problem with a gui fstab editor (kde's disks and filesystems applet)
[06:02] <genii> jalbert: Yes you need to make some mountpoint that is valid
[06:02] <XceII> another perv
[06:02] <Dr_willis> Its for resarch..I am a Doctor. :)
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> you can't have /media/Porn/
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> it has to be broken down and categorized further.
[06:02] <genii> Actually /media/sdb1   is the best mount to put there for conventional sanity
[06:03] <genii> instead of anything in ~
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  well I have seperate hard drives for the different catagories. :)
[06:03]  * genii sends hydrogen vifstab
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> now THAT gets creepy
[06:03] <Dr_willis> !info vimtutor
[06:03] <ubotu> Package vimtutor does not exist in gutsy
[06:03]  * hydrogen sends genii vipw
[06:04] <genii> jalbert: Still here? ;)
[06:04] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: iirc, vimtutor is in the vim-full package
[06:05] <jalbert> yeah
[06:05] <jalbert> how do I save this file?
[06:05] <XceII> deuryte....wake up.
[06:05] <genii> jalbert: If so please tell what you put for what was <whatever\040> or such
[06:05]  * hydrogen doesn't even want to think about what would be in an emacs-full package
[06:05] <jalbert> heheh
[06:05] <jalbert> okay
[06:06] <jalbert> I put /media/sdb1
[06:06] <genii> jalbert: to save, hit ctrl and x key together.Then choose y to save.Enter key to confirm name
[06:06] <genii> jalbert: Good :)
[06:06] <genii> at least /media/sdb1 is sane convention
[06:07] <Voyage__> iam using virtual box to run winxp .  how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .
[06:07] <genii> jalbert: After saving, do:     sudo mkdir /media/sdb1
[06:07] <jalbert> I don't know how I managed to get the mount point named like that
[06:07] <genii> jalbert: Yes, that was very odd name etc
[06:08] <jalbert> it was generated by the System Settings program
[06:08]  * hydrogen wonders what that character is
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> hydrogen: i remember when i was 13-14 or so, i frequented the local BBSes, and one of them had a file section devoted to emacs.  tons upon tons of files, and i never downloaded them (i had neither the time nor the credits to, for one)...  i wonder...  if i had downloaded emacs back then, would i hate it so much now?
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> probably.
[06:08] <XceII> Linux is logical...windoze is logistical...linux=7.10   windows=666.
[06:08] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I did d/l it and still detest the thing
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> jalbert: kde's disks & filesystems applet stinks
[06:09] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: that's why i said probably :D
[06:09] <jalbert> ok
[06:09] <jalbert> now it's saying there are no files or folders there
[06:09] <Daisuke_Ido> it isn't mounted yet
[06:09] <hydrogen> mount /media/sdb1
[06:09] <Daisuke_Ido> D&F applet tried to give my swap partition a mount point :\
[06:09] <genii> what hydrogen said :)
[06:10] <hydrogen> heh
[06:10] <Voyage__> any one?
[06:10] <hydrogen> thats what hydrogen said!
[06:10] <hydrogen> ooooh, burn!
[06:10] <deuryt1> xcell
[06:10] <jalbert> mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/sdb1 busy
[06:10] <jalbert> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is mounted on /home/jalbert/<mount point>
[06:10] <XceII> ya
[06:10] <jalbert> wtf?!?
[06:10] <genii> LOL
[06:10] <XceII> gnite bro
[06:10] <Daisuke_Ido> jalbert: umount /dev/sdb1
[06:11] <jalbert> heheh okay
[06:11] <hydrogen> oh my
[06:11] <genii> you used <mountpoint> literally from the instructions earlier
[06:11] <hydrogen> yay for kde
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: i still say it's the D&F applet :\
[06:11] <jalbert> hmmm.... umount: /dev/sdb1 mount disagrees with the fstab
[06:11] <genii> jalbert: umount /home/jalbert/<mountpoint>                      exactly
[06:11] <deuryt1> 2 things.........  1]  after closing chat it wouldn't start back up, so I logged out and logged in and it took, #2  the cd's you just burned for me?, they work in my dvd...
[06:11] <genii> with the <mountpoint>
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ah yeah, you'd have to do that
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> not <mountpoint>, <mount point>
[06:12] <Voyage__> iam using virtual box to run winxp .  how to share files and folders in win xp? it only shows c: .
[06:12] <hydrogen> or umount -f /dev/sdb1
[06:12] <hydrogen> as root
[06:12] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I do now think it's what put that weird string for mount
[06:12] <hydrogen> might be easier than trying to get the escaping right (even with tab completion)
[06:12] <XceII> deu  off topic room
[06:12] <hydrogen> sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[06:12] <jalbert> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[06:13] <jalbert> hydrogen: ok done
[06:13] <genii> does:mount|grep sdb1       produce a result now or just command prompt again
[06:13] <jalbert> now can I go ahead and mount the damn drive?
[06:14] <genii> See above instruction first
[06:14] <genii> If it still shows on <mountpoint> need force
[06:14] <jalbert> ok
[06:15] <jalbert> now try mounting it?
[06:15] <hydrogen> yes
[06:15]  * genii sips a coffee
[06:15] <jalbert> ok...
[06:15] <genii> I need to go, 1:15am here
[06:16] <genii> jalbert: Success/failure?
[06:16] <genii> other?
[06:16] <jalbert> ok it said: You do not have enough permissions to read file:///media/sdb1
[06:17] <genii> sudo chown :plugdev /media/sdb1
[06:17] <genii> then try again
[06:18] <jalbert> chown: changing group of `/media/sdb1': Read-only file system
[06:18] <genii> wtf?
[06:18] <hydrogen> you need to unmount it first
[06:18] <jalbert> ok...
[06:18] <jalbert> umount it, then chown it?
[06:19] <hydrogen> yes
[06:19] <jalbert> ok...
[06:19] <genii> hydrogen: Can you continue? He needs likely user/users or so in fstab or ownership of the mount obviously. I need sleep
[06:19] <hydrogen> i need sleep as well :/
[06:19] <jalbert> ok!
[06:19] <hydrogen> this should fix it though
[06:19] <hydrogen> did it?
[06:19] <genii> I hope so
[06:19] <jalbert> now it opens, but the files are not visible
[06:19] <hydrogen> me too
[06:20] <hydrogen> did you remount it after chowning?
[06:20] <jalbert> ok when I mount it, then try to open it it tells me I don't have ebnough rights
[06:20] <jalbert> it still says it's owned by root
[06:20]  * genii hangs on a while longer
[06:21] <hydrogen> needs some umask stuff probably
[06:21] <jalbert> wait... no it doesn't
[06:21] <jalbert> one sec
[06:21]  * genii sips his coffee
[06:21] <jalbert> I'm going to post a screenshot
[06:21]  * genii refills the mug
[06:22] <genii> I suspect user/users or some uid crap needed
[06:23] <genii> I really hate ntfs
[06:23] <hydrogen> wouldn't be users
[06:23] <hydrogen> as he could mount it
[06:23] <genii> Weird, his fstab paste shows users there
[06:23] <genii> hydrogen: Yeah
[06:24] <jalbert> http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7789/sdb1propertiesfu8.png
[06:25] <hydrogen> kde still looks confused
[06:25] <jalbert> see where it says: /home/jalbert/<mount point>
[06:25] <jalbert> ?
[06:25] <genii> Yes it thinks still on <mountpoint>
[06:25] <jalbert> why oh why?
[06:26]  * hydrogen suggests a windowsesque-copout
[06:26] <hydrogen> reboot!
[06:26] <jalbert> hehehe
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> genii: look closer again, not <mountpoint>
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> <mount point>
[06:26] <jalbert> I really don't think a rebot is going to do anything
[06:26] <jalbert> *reboot*
[06:26] <hydrogen> well
[06:26] <genii> jalbert: When you did: mount|grep sdb1       command earlier it just came back to a command prompt, yes?
[06:27] <hydrogen> if its mounted somewhere
[06:27] <jalbert> lemme check...
[06:27] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: Ah, interesting
[06:27] <jalbert> yeah it did
[06:27]  * genii ponders mtab
[06:27] <XceII> I'm here to rock...help me out.
[06:27] <hydrogen> what happens if you run `ls /media/sdb1`
[06:27] <hydrogen> in konsole
[06:28] <jalbert> hehehe
[06:28] <jalbert> permission denied
[06:28] <XceII> oi
[06:28] <jalbert> sudo ls /media/sdb1
[06:28] <XceII> su -i  rock
[06:28] <jalbert> well there it is
[06:29] <hydrogen> hmm
[06:29] <hydrogen> what does the `groups` command output?
[06:29] <genii> jalbert? : sudo gave a list
[06:29] <jalbert> yes
[06:29] <genii> bah
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> what's the best desktop environment?
[06:29] <hydrogen> also-- the output of ls -ld /media/sdb1
[06:29] <hydrogen> windows 3.1
[06:29] <XceII> jay..the one you pick
[06:30] <jalbert> it's an XP installation on there
[06:30] <jalbert> along with a bunch of other stuff
[06:30] <hydrogen> jalbert: paste the output of those two commands please
[06:30] <hydrogen> `groups` and `ls -ld /media/sdb1`
[06:30] <jalbert> ok
[06:31] <jalbert> jalbert adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin
[06:31] <hydrogen> okay
[06:31] <hydrogen> so thats fine
[06:31] <genii> hmm. His other ntfs drive has mount options: ntfs defaults,uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,nouser       the sdb1 has: auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid
[06:31] <jalbert> dr-x------ 1 root root 24576 2007-11-14 23:37 /media/sdb1
[06:31] <hydrogen> theres the problem.
[06:31] <jalbert> root
[06:31] <XceII> genii: Rocks.
[06:31] <hydrogen> what does it show if you unmount it?
[06:32] <hydrogen> umount /dev/sdb1 && ls -ld /media/sdb1
[06:32] <genii> the chown :plugdev    apparently did not take
[06:32] <jalbert> jalbert@c-24-13-105-49sys:~$ umount /media/sdb1
[06:32] <jalbert> jalbert@c-24-13-105-49sys:~$ ls -ld /media/sdb1
[06:32] <jalbert> drwxr-xr-x 2 root plugdev 4096 2007-12-12 00:07 /media/sdb1
[06:33] <hydrogen> okay
[06:33] <genii> Good
[06:33] <hydrogen> so
[06:33] <hydrogen> its the mask on mounting
[06:33] <hydrogen> try setting uid=1000,gid=1000
[06:33] <hydrogen> in fstab
[06:33] <hydrogen> in the options column
[06:34] <genii> Also I'd say change the one "auto" by itself to ntfs
[06:34] <jalbert> ok so I have to open fstab in nano?
[06:34] <hydrogen> no
[06:34] <hydrogen> any editor
[06:34] <genii> heh
[06:34] <jalbert> kate?
[06:35] <hydrogen> you can use kateif you want
[06:35] <hydrogen> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[06:35] <genii> kdesu kate
[06:35] <jalbert> I just did "sudo kate fstab"
[06:35] <jalbert> I mean /etc/fstab
[06:36] <genii> hydrogen, jalbert I gotta go
[06:36] <hydrogen> its better to use kdesu
[06:36] <hydrogen> cu genii
[06:36] <jalbert> ok
[06:36] <genii> DONT use sudo for gui stuff
[06:36] <jalbert> thanks genii
[06:36] <genii> bleh
[06:36] <jalbert> ok
[06:36] <genii> jalbert: I'll be around tomorrow if it still a headache but i think you'll get it now
[06:36] <genii> hydrogen Gnite
[06:36] <jalbert> ok
[06:37] <jalbert> thanks
[06:37] <XceII> nite genii
[06:37] <jalbert> I might be around in the evening, though I still have a bit of xmas sbhopping to hopping to do
[06:37] <jalbert> xmas shopping
[06:38] <jalbert> I'm gonna go hopping and schbopping
[06:38] <jalbert> anyway
[06:38] <jalbert> what do I have to change in there?
[06:38] <jalbert> edit this? /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 auto users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0
[06:39] <XceII> Xmas is not about purchasing..its about helping.
[06:40] <jalbert> hydrogen: what do I edit in here?
[06:44] <import> need some help wine needs this and i dont know where to get it install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables
[06:48] <import> anyone here?
[06:49] <mox69> hi
[06:49] <import> mox69 hey
[06:49] <import> can ya help me?
[06:49] <mox69> import: what ya trying to do?
[06:49] <import> above
[06:49] <import> install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables
[06:49] <import> its for wine
[06:50] <mox69> ahh
[06:50] <mox69> hmm well
[06:50] <import> i did apt-get install mono but it still wont work
[06:50] <mox69> your gonna need to get an .exe file im sure
[06:50] <mox69> mono = run .net on linux
[06:50] <import> aww
[06:50] <mox69> so you technically want the .net runtime environment 2.0
[06:50] <progmanos> has anyone managed to successfully install kde4 rc2 on gutsy?
[06:50] <import> so i need to wine mono to get it work
[06:50] <mox69> mono lets you run .net stuff without wine
[06:50] <mox69> does that make sense?
[06:51] <emilsedgh> import: mono is for writing programs, not running them
[06:51] <import> yep
[06:51] <emilsedgh> i think
[06:51] <import> i need the runtime
[06:51] <mox69> mono is the linux version of the .net runtime
[06:51] <mox69> since your in wine, you still want the windows version
[06:51] <mox69> now I have NO idea if .NET 2,0 will install / run in wine
[06:51] <import> mox 69 im getting mono-runtime see if that works
[06:52] <mox69> ok
[06:52] <progmanos> i have an error (I'm assuming the package is at fault) kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 will not install
[06:52] <hellonull> where do you enable nvidia drivers in kubuntu 7.10 w/ rc2?
[06:52] <mox69> import: check here http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3754
[06:52] <mox69> thats what you need
[06:52] <progmanos> Here's the output of aptitude: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin
[06:53] <emilsedgh> !brokenkde4 | progmanos
[06:53] <ubotu> progmanos: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[06:53] <import> thank you
[06:53] <progmanos> will try
[06:57] <import> thank you again
[06:58] <import> its working nicely
[06:58] <hellonull> !nvidia
[06:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:06] <progmanos> thanks, ubotu
[07:06] <progmanos> that worked
[07:07] <hellonull> lol ubotu is a bot :-P
[07:08] <progmanos> lol
[07:08] <mox69> he still appreciates praise im sure :)
[07:09] <progmanos>  ;-)
[07:09] <progmanos> kudos to whoever wrote the bot's response
[07:10] <progmanos>  :-)
[07:17] <ere4si> ubotu is wise
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is wise - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <progmanos> classic
[07:17] <progmanos> lol
[07:18] <TheFishy> I change my kde login manager GUI to something different and it doesn't change, anyone know how to fix this?
[07:20] <TheFishy> anyone?
[07:20] <LimCore> TheFishy: kdm gdm
[07:20] <LimCore>  /etc/init.d/gdm  stop        then  ....../kdm start
[07:20] <TheFishy> no such dir
[07:21] <progmanos> ah, tracked down the author of the ubotu response to my post.  it's ljl .  found at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi?search=kde4
[07:21] <LimCore> TheFishy: install kdm
[07:21] <progmanos> kudos to ljl
[07:22] <TheFishy> it ia
[07:22] <TheFishy> it is*
[07:22] <TheFishy> brb
[07:31] <ansk-ri> i'm having problem with my wireless connection
[07:32] <flake> is there a way to set up the soundcard to mix audio so I can avoid those  /dev/dsp: Device busy or resource..   ?
[07:35] <TheFishy> so after struggling with apt to work... had some errors with it
[07:35] <TheFishy> it gives me and i quote
[07:35] <TheFishy> "kdm is already the newest version."
[07:41] <mox69> what are you trying to do Fishy?
[07:48] <mcquaid> is there a kde app for editing id3 tags of mp3s?
[07:50] <qutoz> hi, I need to login as postgres user without login as root first, I tried to make that but it keep asking me about the password
[07:52] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i install ubuntu desktop?
[07:52] <emilsedgh> mcquaid: there is, search kde-apps.org for it
[07:52] <mcquaid> i am can't find it
[07:52] <emilsedgh> !info ubuntu-desktop | Jay-Oh-En
[07:52] <ubotu> jay-oh-en: ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.79 (gutsy), package size 22 kB, installed size 48 kB
[07:53] <mcquaid> well i see a qt4 app, hoping  there's something in the ubnuntu packages
[07:53] <emilsedgh> Jay-Oh-En: just install it using adept or apt-get
[07:53] <mcquaid> thought there might be a popular one for kde like easytag for gnome
[07:53] <emilsedgh> mcquaid: let me search
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> Easytag works I think
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> !id3
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about id3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <ardchoille> !info kid3
[07:54] <ubotu> kid3: KDE MP3 ID3 tag editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 320 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[07:54] <ardchoille> mcquaid: ^^
[07:54] <ardchoille> Though, easytag is pretty nice
[07:55] <emilsedgh> and theres a kmp3tag...wow many applications for that purpose
[07:55] <mcquaid> cool, well i'll give those two a try if not it's easytag
[07:58] <Jay-Oh-En> how come firefox is slow on KDE
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> Um. its not really.
[07:59] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: You mean takes a while to launch?
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> Still about 40% faster than on windows Xp on the same PC
[08:00] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: no like overall and yes it takes a while to launch too
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> The loading time is marginally slower
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> but actual running
[08:01] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Enable pipelining. In ff, type "about:config" into the location bar, then type "pipelin" into the config bar and change the pipelining and proxy.pipelining to "true" and the maxrequests to 8. Restart and it should be faster.
[08:01] <ubuntu> Installing Kubuntu, wewt.
[08:02] <stanley> hi there
[08:02] <ubuntu> Hey.
[08:02] <stanley> does anyone have instructions on how to install firefox 2.0.0.11 in kubuntu?//
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> stanley: sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:02] <ubuntu> Beat me to it.
[08:02] <ardchoille> stanley: It's in the repos
[08:03] <stanley> i have downloaded the tar zip and extracted the files to my home folder under a folder called firefox
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> With (k)Ubuntu, I need a way to merge 2 networks via a single PC so that PC's on both sides of the bridge [as such] have access to the primary PC, and all PC's on the internal side [as such] have access directly to all the PC's on the external side..
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> So basically:      External <--->  PC <--->  Internal
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> External + Internal need access to "PC"
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> Internal needs access to External
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> External does not neccessarily need direct (all port) access to Internal, but certain ports do need to be forwarded to specific Internal PC's
[08:03] <ardchoille> stanley: How's that for simple instructions? lol
[08:03] <qutoz> hi, I need to login as postgres user without login as root first, I tried to make that but it keep asking me about the password
[08:03] <GradeFPoultry> Stanley: Just type sudo apt-get install firefox, and it should do all the work for you.
[08:03] <stanley> ardchoille: tried that but i get this message
[08:04] <mox69> steve: do you have 2 network cards in the pc...
[08:04] <stanley> v
[08:04] <stanley> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:04] <stanley> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:04] <stanley> is only available from another source
[08:04] <stanley> E: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[08:05] <ardchoille> stanley: Are you on Gutsy?
[08:05] <stanley> yes 7.10
[08:05] <stanley> i just downloaded and installed it on Mon
[08:05] <ardchoille> stanley: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[08:05] <ardchoille> !pastebin | stanley
[08:05] <ubotu> stanley: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:05] <stanley> actually this is my first time using Kubuntu or linux
[08:06] <mox69> stan: open a terminal
[08:06] <stanley> mox69: done
[08:06] <mox69> type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[08:06] <ardchoille> stanley: Open konqueror and type in:  file://etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: what about it using a lot of my system stuff
[08:06] <ardchoille> stanley: Open konqueror and type in:  file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <ardchoille> stanley: The copy/paste that into pastebin
[08:07] <mox69> stan: or do  what ardch says, proally easier
[08:07] <stanley> mox69: it says no such file or directory
[08:07] <GradeFPoultry> This is a really stupid question, but how to I view a list of servers in Konversation?
[08:08] <ardchoille> stanley: Are you sure you put the path i correctly?
[08:08] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: it uses alot of memory
[08:08] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: firefox has many known memory leaks
[08:09] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: And using certain, or too many, extensions can slow it down and eat more memory
[08:09] <Cold_Inz> Anyone know how to fix the system freeze wich is caused by superkaramba ? (can move mouse, and superkaramba gadgets keep running, x-org takes 99-100% cpu) "fixed" when not using superkaramba so it's either the problem or it's triggering something in the xorg, haven't seen it otherwise
[08:09] <stanley> ardchoille: file:///etc/apt/sources.list -> no souch file or directory
[08:09] <Cold_Inz> also alot of others having the same problems when searching google, but none come up with a fix other than to stop using superkaramba
[08:10] <ardchoille> stanley: That would explain why you can't install anything
[08:10] <ardchoille> !source-o-matic | stanley
[08:10] <ubotu> stanley: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:10] <mox69> cold inz: goto a terminal and type: rm -r .qt
[08:11] <mox69> and get used to doing that every time you boot :)
[08:11] <mox69> kill and restart superkaramba as well
[08:11] <ardchoille> mox69: or put a bash script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:11] <mox69> err do: rm -r ~/.qt
[08:11] <stanley> ardchoille: it ubuntu, i am on kubuntu...no diff yes?
[08:12] <ardchoille> stanley: No diff, they both use the same repo list
[08:12] <Cold_Inz> or put it in rc scrit. anyways, what exactly is causing it ?
[08:12] <zekix> plop
[08:12] <zekix> hi all
[08:12] <zekix> gentoo?
[08:13] <ardchoille> No, kubuntu
[08:13] <zekix> # tribugentoo
[08:13] <stanley> ardchoille: i get a konqueror4ZCM3b.tmp file which opened in Kate
[08:13] <homercycles> Help! I'm installing kubuntu (7.10) and it's at 82% saying "Configuring apt" and "scanning the mirror..." but isn't getting anywhere. I'm still using the install/live CD to use Konversation to be in this chat room. Thanks
[08:13] <zekix> #tribugentoo
[08:13] <ardchoille> stanley: How did you get that?
[08:14] <Cold_Inz> mox69: do you know what exactly is causing the freezeup ? what in .qt/ is making it happen ?
[08:14] <stanley> i clicked on the Create Sources List buttonon the website you gave
[08:14] <zekix> kubuntu fr?
[08:15] <ardchoille> stanley: Ah, ok, you need to save that file somewhere but give it the name "sources.list"  (without quotes), then open a terminal and do:  sudo cp /wherever/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:16] <ardchoille> stanley: When that is done, you need to update your sources with:  sudo apt-get update
[08:16] <ardchoille> stanley: Then you should be good to go
[08:16] <mox69> cold_inz: i really don;t know , but superkaramba does something to a file in that directory that causes all of my GUI programs to spike to 99%
[08:16] <mox69> cold_inz: I tried to figure out why, but never really could. The problem will go away after you rm that directory and restart the slow / hung apps
[08:17] <Cold_Inz> mox69: hm ok at least I got something to work on now, thanks !
[08:17] <mox69> and it went away forever when i un-installed superkaramba and Baghira
[08:17] <stanley> silly me...i am supposed to replace /wherever with the path of the sources.list on my system right>?
[08:17] <ardchoille> mox69: baghira works great here, no spikes
[08:18] <ardchoille> stanley: replace wherever with wherever you saved it
[08:18] <egonw> questions about the KDE4RC2 can you go here? if so, anyone reported a overwrite problem when installing kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 yet?
[08:18] <mox69> ya i think it was more superkaramba
[08:18] <hellonull> egonw: yeah i think i saw someone in here with that earlier
[08:19] <hellonull> !brokenkde4 | egonw
[08:19] <ubotu> egonw: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[08:19] <ardchoille> stanley: Did you understand that?
[08:19] <Cold_Inz> mox69: I think it's a version of either QT or xorg not very happy amongst superkaramba applications or something, so some people don't have the problem because of that, but that's just my theory
[08:19] <stanley> ardchoille: and mox69 a whole bunch of stuff is appearing on the console window
[08:19] <stanley> looks like it's downloading
[08:20] <ardchoille> stanley: is it doing "ignore" or "hit" ?
[08:20] <egonw> hellonull: OK, giving that a try...
[08:20] <stanley> it's doing "Get"
[08:20] <ardchoille> stanley: Good
[08:21] <egonw> hellonull: I think I understand the problem...
[08:21] <mox69> Cold_Inz: yep I am pretty sure its something with QT or X, but was never really able to track it down
[08:21] <stanley> finished now. but just some errors about index files
[08:21] <ardchoille> stanley: Can you pastebin those errors?
[08:21] <stanley> downloading firefox files
[08:22] <stanley> err...sorry i have not used pastebin before
[08:22] <mox69> stan: if the error is a line or two just copy/past in here
[08:22] <mox69> stan: say less than 50 words
[08:22] <ardchoille> stanley: It may have failed to fetch sources lists, no problem there, you can update again later. If it persists, then you might post back here
[08:23] <stanley> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:23] <ardchoille> Right, that can happen
[08:23] <ardchoille> Just update again later. Which ones failed?
[08:23] <stanley> I am sure these instructions (like sources.list) are somewhere in a Knowledgebase yes?
[08:24] <ardchoille> !repos | stanley
[08:24] <ubotu> stanley: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:24] <stanley> deb.opera.com etch
[08:24] <stanley> that failed
[08:24] <ardchoille> stanley: You should not be using any debian source4s at all, that can hose your system
[08:24] <ardchoille> stanley: You should only be using ubuntu sources
[08:25] <mox69> kubuntu isn't binary compatable with debian...?
[08:25] <ardchoille> stanley: Can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:25] <stanley> ardchoille: but it got downloaded already
[08:25] <ardchoille> mox69: it's very dangerous
[08:25] <stanley> can it be removed? BTW firefox is up and running
[08:25] <mox69> hmm :) alright i should remember that
[08:25] <ardchoille> stanley: Can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:25] <stanley> how do i do that please?
[08:26] <ardchoille> stanley: Open konqueror and type in:  file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[08:26] <ardchoille> stanley: Then copy and paste that into http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:27] <ardchoille> Then give us the url
[08:28] <stanley> paste ok URL http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47930/
[08:28] <egonw> hellonull: that helped! thanx!
[08:29] <cpk1> argh whats the proposed updates repo?
[08:29] <hellonull> np egonw
[08:29] <ardchoille> stanley: Remove lines 29 - 31 and save.
[08:29] <ardchoille> stanley: Then: sudo apt-get update
[08:30] <ardchoille> stanley: Correction, remove lines 29 - 35 and save
[08:31] <ardchoille> stanley: You should only use ubuntu sources and then only the sources for your release (using edgy sources in gutsy is bad)
[08:31] <stanley> ardchoille: i have 3 versions of sources.list files
[08:32] <Aut0zz> how long should it take kubuntu to boot up, jus trying to test not install
[08:32] <ardchoille> stanley: You can only use one at a time, if you mix releases or distros you're only gonna cause yourself problems
[08:32] <stanley> sources.list, sources.listd sources.listdistUpgrade
[08:34] <stanley> ardchoille: lines 29 to 31 deleted
[08:34] <ardchoille> stanley: delete the edgy sources too
[08:35] <stanley> arrghhh...i cant save the file
[08:35] <ardchoille> the last three lines I believe it was
[08:35] <ardchoille> stanley: kdesudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:35] <ardchoille> stanley: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:36] <ardchoille> stanley: Be careful with that kate editor, it's running as admin user, so watch what you're doing while it's open.
[08:37] <stanley> can i remove the other 2 sources.list files?
[08:38] <ardchoille> stanley: Leave them for now, they aren't hurting anything and they aren't being used.
[08:38] <ardchoille> stanley: It's a good idea to take care of the current sources.list file first, then decide if you want to delete the others.
[08:38] <stanley> ok
[08:38] <stanley> thank you so much
[08:39] <ardchoille> yw :)
[08:39] <apparle> ardchoille: Thanks for yesterday
[08:39] <apparle>  :D
[08:39] <stanley> if i ever have to do a ./configuration on any package, does kubuntu have the gcc compiler already?>
[08:39] <ardchoille> stanley: Any time you finish editing the sources.list, you need to update your sources with: sudo apt-get update
[08:39] <stanley> or do i have to download it?
[08:40] <stanley> yes doing the update now
[08:40] <ardchoille> stanley: I've never had to compile. But if you do, you'll need to install build-essential
[08:40] <ardchoille> stanley: The ubuntu repos are huge :)
[08:40] <ardchoille> apparle: yw :)
[08:41] <stanley> build-essential is an application i can download yes?/
[08:41] <ardchoille> Yes, it's the compiler and other tools you'll need to compile from source
[08:42] <hellonull> i'm a recent gnome convert... where in kubuntu do i go for user/group management?
[08:43] <ardchoille> hellonull: terminal?
[08:43] <stanley> does anyone have issues with Kopete 0.12.7 using the MSN plugin?
[08:43] <ardchoille> I don't know of any gui tools for that
[08:43] <homercycles> My system has onboard Realtek HD Audio and a PCI Soundblaster Live card (needed for strange speakers). Sound was working but after reboot/install of ati driver, sound isn't working. Is there a way to set the SB Live as my default sound output?
[08:43] <ardchoille> stanley: updating kopete shold fix that MSN problem
[08:43] <stanley> so i am not the only one
[08:44] <homercycles> The System Settings, Sound System, Hardware tab only lets me choose between various sound libraries, not hardware, alas
[08:44] <ardchoille> stanley: It's beginning to sound like you updated from an earlier release of ubuntu/kubuntu
[08:44] <stanley> ardchoille: nope, it's a fresh install
[08:44] <ardchoille> stanley: Please do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:44] <stanley> i cant even get ubuntu to work when i tried to burn the iso i downloaded
[08:45] <homercycles> strangely enough, it will let me choose the hardware for MIDI, just not normal sound
[08:45] <hellonull> stanley: did you do a checksum on the iso?
[08:45] <ardchoille> stanley: That will update your sources and then upgrade all of your apps to the latest versions
[08:45] <stanley> no i didnt download the checksum
[08:46] <stanley> after a few attempts i gave up and went with kubuntu
[08:46] <ardchoille> stanley: Always a good idea to checksum an iso, can save you from making coasters :)
[08:46] <stanley> which i must say has a pretty cool interface
[08:46] <hellonull> esp. if you download it via http
[08:46] <stanley> ardchoille: yes agree. I realised that only recently
[08:49] <stanley> the kde 4 rc2 iso has only the live version of kde 4 yes? does it also have the packages required to install kde 4?
[08:50] <homercycles> My system has onboard Realtek HD Audio and a PCI Soundblaster Live card (needed for strange speakers). Sound was working but after reboot/install of ati driver, sound isn't working. Is there a way to set the SB Live as my default sound output?
[08:52] <ardchoille> stanley: If this is your first week using Linux, then I would recommend you not using/installing kde4.. unless you plan to help squash lots of bugs :)
[08:52] <Stevethepirate> Widgets on my kde4 rc2 are like -stuck- in the middle of the screen
[08:52] <Stevethepirate> such failure
[08:53] <stanley> ardchoille: hahah...yes good idea
[08:53] <stanley> since there is the live cd I will just look at the interface
[08:53] <stanley> have you tired it?
[08:54] <ardchoille> I don't use beta software, I don't have the patience for it
[08:54] <stanley> oh ok
[08:55] <Tm_T> Stevethepirate: works fine here
[08:55] <apparle> ardchoille: I get this error while configuring source packages http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47931/
[08:55] <hellonull> Stevethepirate: mine are working fine, too
[08:56] <ardchoille> apparle: You probably need xserver-xorg-dev
[08:56] <ardchoille> apparle: What are you compiling?
[08:57] <homercycles> Adept seems to say that the latest Firefox is 2.0.0.6, but I've had 2.0.0.11 on Windows. Could the repository be out of date or something?
[08:58] <stanley> homercycles: with ardchoille's help i got 2.0.0.11 from the repository
[08:58] <stanley> using apt-get
[08:58] <ardchoille> homercycles: You're probably using an older kubuntu release. Open a terminal and type: lsb_release -a | grep -i release
[08:59] <homercycles> No LSB modules are available. Release: 7.10
[08:59] <ardchoille> homercycles: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:59] <homercycles> I just installed it from the new 7.10 ISO I burnted a few weeks ago (failed install back then but had time today to get it working)
[09:00] <ardchoille> homercycles: Yeah, you need to update and upgrade. The apps in the repos have been updated since the iso was released
[09:00] <homercycles> will that tell me how much it's going to download before doing it?
[09:00] <ardchoille> homercycles: It will prompt you for confirmation, yes
[09:01] <homercycles> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:01] <homercycles> strange
[09:01] <Stevethepirate> output ur sudo apt-get update to a pastebin plz
[09:01] <ardchoille> homercycles: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[09:01] <ardchoille> !pastebin | homercycles
[09:01] <ubotu> homercycles: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:02] <homercycles> pastebin, now, that must be something that doesn't mean paste into IRC channel, I'm guessing (don't want to be naughty). What's pastebin?
[09:02] <homercycles> ah, thanks ubotu
[09:02] <mox69> paste to a html page
[09:02] <mox69> more or less
[09:02] <ardchoille> !thanks | homercycles
[09:02] <ubotu> homercycles: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:02] <homercycles> what a nice bot :-)
[09:03] <apparle> ardchoille: I am compililing kdemltimedia package
[09:04] <ardchoille> apparle: Any reason you aren't installing it from the repos?
[09:04] <homercycles> An error occurred while loading http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/:
[09:04] <homercycles> Unknown host paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:04] <homercycles> the only uncommented lines are as follows (I hope 2 lines are OK):
[09:04] <homercycles> deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe
[09:04] <homercycles> deb-src http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe
[09:05] <ardchoille> homercycles: You're missing multiverse
[09:05] <homercycles> I was able to get the main pastebin page working but the Paste! button returns an error
[09:05] <GreatBritain> homercycles: try www.pastebin.ca
[09:05] <homercycles> I did tick multiverse in adept but maybe it didn't save that. ticking it in adept updates sources.list?
[09:06] <ardchoille> homercycles: Here is a safe sources.list (mine) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47932/
[09:06] <homercycles> my internet must be frigged coz pastebin.ca and that sources.list won't load.
[09:06] <apparle> ardchoille: I have ATI drivers. Will  it do if I download and install xserver-xorg-dev
[09:07] <ardchoille> apparle: *-dev are only development files used for compiling, it should be fine
[09:07] <GreatBritain> i have problems if i try to do the kde4 updates - kdm-kde4 doesn't seem to work - and it cauces some other broken packages - i had to remove launchpad from my sources to fix the problem.
[09:07] <ardchoille> apparle: Any reason you aren't installing it from the repos?
[09:08] <ardchoille> apparle: kdemultimedia is in the repos
[09:09] <ardchoille> homercycles: What about:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/?show=m236b8cc9
[09:10] <apparle> ardchoille: I have OSS sound drivers and Kmix is not working. I thought if I just compiled it maybe it will work
[09:10] <homercycles> sorry for the delay. I've just specified my ISP's DNS as my primary DNS. The internal DNS in my ADSL router is sub-par, I reckon. inspecting sources.list now. appreciate help :-) Thank you
[09:10] <ardchoille> apparle: You're call. I'm not much help with sound problems.
[09:10] <ardchoille> homercycles: yw
[09:12] <jussio1> stdin: ping
[09:12] <apparle> ardchoille :Unless you are developing or building a driver, you probably want xserver-xorg and/or xserver-xorg-core instead. what do I do
[09:12] <ardchoille> apparle: I'm afraid I can't help with compiling, I've not had to compile in years :(
[09:13] <homercycles> could I just add "multiverse" to the end of my current deb line in sources.list to keep using my Australian mirror?
[09:13] <SatManUK> my master volume doesn't work on kmix - if i try to use the volume on my keyboard it freezes at 11% or 0 - or 100% - 89%
[09:13] <ardchoille> homercycles: You could do that, yes
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[09:13] <ardchoille> homercycles: But remember to "sudo apt-get update" when finished editing
[09:13] <ardchoille> hi ActionParsnip
[09:13] <SatManUK> hey ActionParsnip thanks for your help yesterday mate we got the grraphics working smooth :)
[09:14] <homercycles> thanks, ardchoille. I am very grateful for your help (Windows has done me over for the last time! I swear!)
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: awesome dude, sweet move
[09:14] <ardchoille> homercycles: No problem :)
[09:14] <manuel_> i've got problems installing kde4 rc2: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 wants to overwrite /usr/bin/kwriteconfig. The solution posted in the ubuntuforums with purging all kde4 packages didn't work for me... any ideas?
[09:14] <apparle> ardchoille: bye the way how do I resolve this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47931/ I get it while developing in kdevelop
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: Nvidia kick ass with Linux
[09:14] <SatManUK> im working on my own pc now having got my friends working smooth, i can't get the sound to adjust properly
[09:15] <ardchoille> apparle: You already asked me that
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> apparle: Install the xlibs-dev package
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: how do you mean adjust?
[09:16] <SatManUK> if i wanna reduce volume - its on the speakers - or in amarok
[09:16] <SatManUK> i mean up and down
[09:16] <SatManUK> if i use the sound on the keyboard - it sticks
[09:16] <homercycles> This kubuntu is turning out to be a real pleasure. "sudo vi" started doing strange things, even in insert mode, so I thought "hmm, nano is a nice editor on the Mac, I wonder if it's on Linux" so I type "sudo nano" and voilas! Nice, working, editor. Me very happy!
[09:16] <apparle> which one xlibs-dev or xserver-xorg-dev
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> xlibs-dev
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[09:17] <apparle> ActionParsnip: that package doesnot exist for gutsy http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xlibs-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> apparle: try xlibs-static-dev. If you dont get any further uninstall it
[09:19] <hellonull> ActionParsnip: you spoke of nvidia a few lines ago... do you per chance know how to enable the nvidia restricted drivers in kde 4 rc2?
[09:19] <homercycles> I updated my sources.list, did a sudo apt-get update and upgrade, but it still says nothing to be upgraded, etc... Here's my (working?) pastebin of the output:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47933/
[09:19] <SatManUK> which volume is adjusted by clicking on the speaker and moving the volume up and down?
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> hellonull: i've not used kde4 yet
[09:20] <SatManUK> i can't kde4 to load..
[09:20] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: thats fine if there are no updates
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: could try sudo apt-get distupgrade
[09:21] <homercycles> that sounds scarey
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: do you have sound at any level?
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: it just updates all your packages but it appears you have all the latest updates
[09:22] <homercycles> somebody said previously that packages were update since the 7.10 ISO release (which I just installed). Seems strange that there are no packages to be updated
[09:22] <ardchoille> homercycles: There's no harm in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:23] <apparle> ActionParsnip: i have ATI fglrx drivers will it make any diffrence
[09:23] <homercycles> dist-upgrade says 0 for all things, too
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> apparle: difference to what?
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: try adding some more repositories but if there are 0 updates you are ok
[09:25] <homercycles> is there a sudo apt-get thingy to install Firefox?
[09:25] <apparle> ActionParsnip: any diffrent package
[09:25] <homercycles> 2.0.0.11 that is
[09:25] <ardchoille> homercycles: you already have firefox, don't you?
[09:25] <homercycles> it's not on the default K Menu on this fresh install
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:26] <ardchoille> homercycles: What is the output of: lsb_release -a | grep -i release
[09:26]  * ardchoille is curious
[09:27] <homercycles> No LSB modules are available.
[09:27] <homercycles> Release:        7.10
[09:27] <ardchoille> homercycles: Weird
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> apparle: fire up adept and search for xlib
[09:27] <homercycles> I agree. very weird
[09:28] <SatManUK> ActionParsnip:  i have sound
[09:28] <ardchoille> homercycles: and the output of: apt-cache policy firefox | grep -i installed
[09:28] <SatManUK> if i open kmix i can adjust it that way - or i can adjust it through amarok or the playing application
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: ok cool, so the volume app doesnt change the level of volume
[09:28] <SatManUK> i just can't use the slider
[09:28] <apparle> ActionParsnip: I am a person without any connection with net at home
[09:28] <SatManUK> yes
[09:28] <homercycles> ardchoille:   Installed: (none)
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: which slider?
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: the one in the bottom right?
[09:29] <ardchoille> homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:29] <SatManUK> when i press the volume on the keyboard it says on screen Volume: 100% in blue and white box with grey background
[09:29] <apparle> bye
[09:29] <apparle> bye
[09:29] <homercycles> ardchoille: it's downloading 26.6MB now... hope it's 2.0.0.11 :-)
[09:29] <homercycles> bugger.. it's 2.0.0.6
[09:30] <ardchoille> homercycles: Why on earth do you have a firefox menu item if it's not installed?
[09:30] <emilsedgh> SatManUK: right click on the mixer in tray and go to select master channel
[09:30] <homercycles> ardchoille: I don't have a Firefox menu item on the K Menu... but I would like one :-)
[09:30] <ardchoille> homercycles: my bad, I thought you had one
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:31] <homercycles> ardchoille: you're forgiven. selflessly supporting newbs like me can't be all roses :-)
[09:31] <SatManUK> ok which to select PCM?
[09:31] <apparle> do I need a n ativirus I have dual boot with windows but without net connection
[09:31] <ardchoille> homercycles: lol
[09:31] <ardchoille> apparle: If yo have windows, you need anti-virus, IMHO
[09:31] <homercycles> lo and behold, I now have Firefox on the K menu, albeit a little out of date (it's better than no Firefox).
[09:31] <emilsedgh> SatManUK: open kmix window and see which works for you
[09:32] <apparle> what is IMHO
[09:32] <ardchoille> In My Honest Opinion
[09:32] <emilsedgh> apparle: not for your Kubuntu
[09:32] <emilsedgh> !virus | apparle
[09:32] <ubotu> apparle: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> is there a way to make kubuntu suspend
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> cuase i have a suspend key on my keyboard
[09:32] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: he has dual boot with windows
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> and i hate turning my computer off alot
[09:33] <SatManUK> in kmix both pcm and front adjust the sound
[09:33] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Is this a laptop?
[09:33] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: he needs a anti virus for his windows, not with linu
[09:33] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: no
[09:33] <emilsedgh> +x
[09:33] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: yes
[09:33] <SatManUK> but whichever i select it still sticks
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: so the slider doesnt move?
[09:33] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: I've never seen suspend on a desktop box
[09:34] <apparle> I have a nice one on Windows but should also install one on linux
[09:34] <SatManUK> i can move it with the mouse
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: well my keyboard has the button (then you obviously havent seen a viao)
[09:34] <SatManUK> but the up and down buttons on the keyboard freeze
[09:34] <neville__> AVG Free is the best one for Linux
[09:34] <neville__> Er
[09:34] <neville__> Windows**
[09:34] <neville__> -_-v
[09:34] <neville__> Sorry
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> neville__: amen to that brotha
[09:34] <apparle> neville__: what about avast free
[09:35] <Jay-Oh-En> apparle: that never worked for me
[09:35] <homercycles> Quick question, if I may. Can anybody recommend a good IM program that supports MSN protocol without SEGVing all the time like Kopete?
[09:35] <Tm_T> homercycles: Kopete works fine here
[09:35] <Jay-Oh-En> apparle: the reason i got away from windows is cause of the viruses and the restrictions
[09:35] <Tm_T> homercycles: can you provide any debug output?
[09:35] <apparle> bye
[09:35] <Tm_T> homercycles: install kdenetwork-dbg and then rerun Kopete from Konsole
[09:35] <homercycles> Tm_T: let me log into hotmail first to make sure it's not something sillly like wrong password
[09:36] <neville__> Haven't tried avast free, but I can give it a go next time I load my Windows vm =]
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: so you have configured your volume keyboard functions to change volume but if you change it with the mouse they become unfunctional? I'm trying to work this one out
[09:38] <SatManUK> no..
[09:38] <SatManUK> i just installed the system and it autodetected
[09:38] <homercycles> Tm_T: my pastebin now contains the crash from Kopete:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47935
[09:38] <SatManUK> when i press the volume on the keyboard on screen it reports whatever level the speaker volume is in the system tray
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: ok
[09:39] <SatManUK> but when i try to change it with the keyboard it sticks
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> what sticks?
[09:39] <SatManUK> if i change it with the mouse its fine
[09:39] <SatManUK> the volume level
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: sorry im slow. bit of a cold
[09:39] <SatManUK> it says 100% - it won't go below 89%
[09:39] <SatManUK> its ok :)
[09:39] <SatManUK> if its at 0 - it won't go above 11%
[09:40] <Jay-Oh-En> can somebody help me get my box to suspend
[09:40] <Tm_T> homercycles: 1135.50 < Tm_T> homercycles: install kdenetwork-dbg and then rerun Kopete from Konsole
[09:41] <SatManUK> i don't even know which volume the keyboard is changing it seems its neither pcm or front
[09:41] <homercycles> Tm_T: apt-get says I need to download 81.8MB of dependent packages first.... it'll be a while :-)
[09:41] <Tm_T> homercycles: aye
[09:42] <homercycles> is there a KDE-specific channel where I can ask my pedantic little GUI questions?
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: you are not alone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118723
[09:44] <Tm_T> homercycles: #kde ?
[09:44] <homercycles> silly me :-) thanks (been a while since I IRC'd)
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10258905/kmilo_3.5.8-0ubuntu1_i386.deb seems to make it work if you scroll toward the bottom
[09:47] <munhoe> hi folks, i installed the kde4 rc2 packages before i installed the rest of the updates (EEK).  it's now giving some errors installing kdebase-runtime-bin.  any idea how i can fix this?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> munhoe: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade might help (not sure)
[09:48] <Stevethepirate> !socks
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about socks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <emilsedgh> !brokenkde4 | munhoe
[09:48] <ubotu> munhoe: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[09:49] <SatManUK> im trying that now
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: its a file some dude made so its not garunteed :(
[09:50] <SatManUK> wierd thing is i have to patch this pc - but the one i was working on yesterday doesn't need no path ..
[09:50] <SatManUK> strange..
[09:50] <munhoe> ActionParsnip: nopes, that didn't help.
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: are they the same make / model?
[09:50] <SatManUK> ok - lets try it..
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> munhoe: not sure then, sorry
[09:50] <SatManUK> my connection sucks - downloading at 1.4k/s
[09:50] <munhoe> emilsedgh: it still says unmet dependencies :(
[09:51] <emilsedgh> munhoe: dunno then :(
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> munhoe: you could check the deps and apt them in manually
[09:51] <munhoe> ActionParsnip: oohh.... cool.  lemme try
[09:53] <SatManUK> reinstalling kmilio as we speak
[09:53] <SatManUK> this must be some big changes - md hd light is on solid
[09:53] <mike> Hello all anyone able to help me with ndiswrapper,installed .inf etc ok but "access point" cannot be found?
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> mike: did you modprobe ndiswrapper
[09:54] <mike> yes
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: weird stuff, hope it works
[09:54] <Jay-Oh-En> hey can somebody answer this question? when my computer is locked is it not using as much power as it would when it would be regularly on
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> mike: what do yo get from ifconfig
[09:55] <Stevethepirate> Hi.. I need a DC++ hub/server... for (k)ubuntu
[09:55] <mike> ActionParsnip: can see wlano
[09:55] <SatManUK> i got as far as installing package 0%..
[09:55] <SatManUK> ah 100%
[09:55] <munhoe> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47938/
[09:55] <SatManUK> no joy
[09:55] <munhoe> ActionParsnip: it's trying to overwrite an existing stuff.
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> !valknut
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about valknut - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <Stevethepirate> ActionParsnip: thats a client.
[09:56] <Stevethepirate> I need a server/hub.
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> Stevethepirate: let me google
[09:57] <SatManUK> im trying the kmilo version from hardy its supposed to work
[09:58] <mike> ActionParsnip: problem,,
[09:58] <mike> root@mike-laptop:~# iwlist wlan0 scan
[09:58] <mike> wlan0     No scan results
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> mike: you on a laptop?
[09:59] <mike> yes
[09:59] <mike> had it working
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> !YnHub | Stevethepirate
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ynhub - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> mike: is the little switch to turn the wifi on/off in the on position?
[10:00] <homercycles> Does anybody know how to change the default sound card in Kubuntu 7.10? I have an onboard and an SBLive and I need the SBLive to be the default
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> Stevethepirate: check ynhub
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> mike: why are you running stuff as root?
[10:01] <mike> ActionParsnip: yes i had wifi working but not on reboot
[10:01] <mike> oh #not needed?
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> mike no not really
[10:02] <mike> install as user?
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> mike: if the card is present you dont need root privs
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> mike: you could edit /etc/network/interfaces as root and manually enter your wlan info
[10:03] <SatManUK> is it possible to use keytouch or i forgot the application name insteald of kmilo?
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: not sure man, You'll have to have a google
[10:04] <mike> ActionParsnip: ok not sure what to enter ,,no wep etc ,,just dhcp
[10:05] <SatManUK> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283546
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> mike: auto wlan0 <new line> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> mike: you'll then need sudo ifdown wlan0
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> mike: then ifup wlan0
[10:09] <SatManUK> how to disable kmilo in favour of keytouch - there is nothing in kcontrol about it
[10:10] <homercycles> when I try to run "sudo asoundconf set-default-card Live" to change my default sound card (I did a Google search on it) and just says that it may have unintended consequences and never asks me for my password, so I guess it's just not letting me run the command. What gives?
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> mike: you'll also have to add wireless-essid <your wireless SSID here>
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> mike: forgot that
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: you could uninstall kmilo (thats a guess)
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: you need kmilo installed too for it to work
[10:13] <waylandbill> homercycles: you know you can switch sound cards, by changing the device in the sound system in the system settings right?
[10:13] <kristina> hi, I just read that the kde4 rc2 live cd includes a konqueror+webkit preview, does this mean that kubuntu is going with webkit in the future?
[10:13] <SatManUK> so keytouch uses kmilo?
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: i think so, not sure
[10:13] <homercycles> system settings, sound system, I presume?
[10:13] <homercycles> it only allows me to change sound cards for MIDI
[10:13] <waylandbill> homercycles: right. under advanced.
[10:14] <waylandbill> excuse me.. hardware.
[10:14] <homercycles> only have general and hardware tabs for Sound System
[10:14] <waylandbill> look for "Override device location"
[10:14] <homercycles> I get choices of ALSA, Enlightenment Sound System, etc... they don't list Realtek HD Audio or Soundblaster Live
[10:14] <homercycles> there's a tick box and a text box, but I haven't got a clue what the /dev would be for the SBLive
[10:14] <waylandbill> the default is /dev/dsp. The second would be /dev/dsp1.
[10:15] <mikelapy> wlan is working,,many thanks :)
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> mikelapy: all good?
[10:16] <mikelapy> awsm :)
[10:16] <waylandbill> homercycles: I know that's not as simple as a one-click app, but it works just fine.
[10:16] <homercycles> change to /dev/dsp1 and it restarted the sound system. still no sound, though :-(
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> mikelapy: yeah sometimes the scan is weird. take control yourself :) (easier)
[10:16] <homercycles> strange thing is that I heard the KDE logon/logoff sounds first boot after install, then I accepted the offer to install ATI video drivers, rebooted, then sound didn't work :-(
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> mikelapy: use folks names too so we know who you are addressing :). You can use tab to autocomplete
[10:17] <mikelapy> ActionParsnip: agree,,making notes :)
[10:17] <waylandbill> ok. does kmix allow you to see the volume settings for that card?
[10:17] <mikelapy> ActionParsnip: oh ok
[10:18] <homercycles> HDA Intel is the default sound but it does let me choose and adjust sound for SBLive, but I can't hear anything
[10:19] <mikelapy> homercycles: I installed latest alsa drivers
[10:19] <homercycles> In Windows I have to tick the box that says "digital output only" because this SB Live sound card is "special" that sends digital output over the analog channel for my Boston speakers. I wonder if there's some option to enable digital for analog output?
[10:25] <SatManUK> ActionParsnip:  i purged kmilo - installed keytouch and all is good :)
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: brilliant :D
[10:26] <SatManUK> i need to configure keytouch to use amarok - its loading xmms but thats all..
[10:27] <xRaich[o]2x> hi. kwin-kde4 (kubuntu rc2) does not recognize when i'm issuing a ctrl+anykey or alt+anykey command. yesterday it worked. any ideas?
[10:27] <waylandbill> is there a way to make dual head monitors do one virtual desktop on one screen and another on the other?
[10:27] <homercycles> I just rebooted into Windows to confirm sound/speakers were working, then rebooted into Linux, no sound, chose Auto Detect and got rid of the /dev/dsp1 override, restarted sound system, and now the sound works.... Strange, but I guess I should be happy now
[10:28] <waylandbill> homercycles: good. at least it's working. :)
[10:28] <homercycles> waylandbill: sound was going to be my stumbling block in my escape from Windows... so I'm understandably please I can at least listen to music in Linux  :-)
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: does xev react when you press the keys?
[10:29] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: i can detach screens using strg+a+d so X does not seem to be the problem
[10:30] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: yes it reacts
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: is your keyboard in the right region?
[10:31] <david__> hi!!
[10:32] <david__> I need a little bit of help...
[10:32] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: yes
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: is it bound to a keyboard shortcut?
[10:32] <david__> I tried to install the RC2 of kde4 but it gives me an error
[10:33] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: where do i check that?
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79560&page=1
[10:34] <david__> have anyone succesfully installed the kde4 rc2 packages with no problem?
[10:34] <zeEez> Did anyone install the KDE4 RC2 packages ? kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 broke my software index :(
[10:35] <zeEez> david__: :)
[10:35] <david__> I'm having the same issue xDD
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-337669.html
[10:36] <SatManUK> i couldn't install rc1.. so i won't install rc2 just yet then..
[10:36] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: nope no bindings
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: hmmm. do some googling around. Thats all i could find. Does it work after a reboot?
[10:37] <Csigaa> hi
[10:39] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: i logged out and logged in again. and as i mentioned before it's just kwin. so rebooting wouldn
[10:39] <xRaich[o]2x> 't help
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: it may as your bios will redetect the keyboard
[10:40] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: but the keys work. it's just kwin that does not recognize them. i can use them on screen inside of kde4
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: strange
[10:41] <david__> I fixed the index but I interested in install those kde4 packages
[10:42] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: Thanks for the hint also it doesn't seem to apply in my case. There is no .postrm file for the offending package
[10:42] <xRaich[o]2x> xRaich[o]2x: i'm running irssi inside a kde4-konsole and i can detach it anytime i want.
[10:42] <xRaich[o]2x> woops that was to ActionParsnip
[10:42] <jussio1> hmmm, does anyone know the correct md5sum for the kde4 rc2 live cd advertised in /topic ??
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: not sure then. Very weird
[10:43] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: ok. i'll try the hard way. rm .kde* ^^
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: just rename it
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: then you can revert back
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: mv .kde .kde_old
[10:44] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: not needed. this computer is a kde4 playground ;)
[10:44] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: i won'T lose anything important
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: ok cool
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: what do you get when youtry update?
[10:46] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: hmm still doesn't work... but i have an idea
[10:47] <homercycles> Does anybody know how to tell the taskbar applet in the panel in Kubuntu to stop fading the text for each item? I've asked in #kde but they say this isn't standard KDE behaviour, so Kubuntu must have turned it on for some reason.
[10:49] <Tm_T> homercycles: what exactly you mean? do you have a pic?
[10:50] <homercycles> I'll take a pic when they fade and show you... they fade progressively the longer you haven't had focus on the application
[10:50]  * Tm_T never seen that I assume
[10:51] <Csigaa> homer: looking forward to the screenshot... I've never seen anything like that either
[10:52] <Csigaa> are you sure that ALL of them fade?
[10:52] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/ma713241
[10:52] <Csigaa> for example, amarok has a dynamic trayicon, which shows the progress in the current playing song
[10:53] <homercycles> most of them seem to fade, but recently-focused items are darker
[10:54] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: got it. i installed some of the old kde4*-data packages yesterday. after removing them it works again ^^
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: does sudo apt-get -f install do anything
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: sweet :D
[10:54] <Csigaa> homercycles: have you been recently messing with the KDE settings?
[10:54] <Csigaa> homercycles: or that was present from the beginning?
[10:55] <homercycles> Csigaa: nope... it was like that from the beginning.
[10:55] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: maybe someone should kick them out of the repo just to be safe ^^
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: blacklist :D
[10:56] <homercycles> OK. Here's the screenshot showing the faded taskbar applications:   http://www.marcfearby.com/snapshot1.png
[10:56] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: i'm not really familiar with the apt system ;) i really need a good resource how to work with it ;)
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: man apt ;)
[10:57] <Tm_T> homercycles: have you checked your settings twice?
[10:58] <homercycles> Tm_T: well, I can't find an option anywhere that says "fade taskbar icons" so I'd like to disable such a thing if I could find it, but there is no such option that I know of
[10:58] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: It returns the same output i posted..
[10:58] <Tm_T> homercycles: fiddle about other settings :)
[10:59] <homercycles> that sounds like a recipe for carpal tunnel syndrome if ever I've heard one :-)
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: ok
[10:59] <homercycles> there are quite a few settings that obviously having nothing to do with fading taskbar icons, so there's no point in toggling them
[11:00] <Csigaa> homercycles: I think this is default (the inactive elements show brighter). The "fading" can be an optical illusion due the gradient color of the kicker
[11:00] <homercycles> there is an option to fade applet handles, but not applications in the taskbar
[11:01] <Csigaa> set up a solid color or transparency for the panel
[11:01] <homercycles> Csigaa: it's no optical illusion. There are icons in my taskbar that have definitely faded and I find it difficult to read. I don't want to have to keep clicking on them to make them brighter all the time
[11:01] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: do you have a running okular?
[11:01] <homercycles> transparency makes it even harder to read
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: no its just how my trousers sit
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> !okular
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about okular - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: looks like a unified file viewer but i dont have it
[11:03] <david__> oh oh, I try to update but something bad happened
[11:04] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: jep it is. but i don't get it to work
[11:04] <david__> it says: Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.22.9-rt-custom,
[11:04] <david__> when updating the initframs, but that kernel was removed long ago
[11:05] <_Csigaa> re... disconnect :/
[11:05] <david__> this happens when doing: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:06] <david__> how can I remove the opcion to update-initframs for that kernel which doesn't exist anymore?
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> david__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3928596
[11:07] <_Csigaa> david__: did you do apt-get remove --purge linux-image-$OLD_VERSION ?
[11:07] <david__> thank you!!  <ActionParsnip>
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> david__: any good?
[11:09] <david__> mmh, nope, same error...
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> david__: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:11] <david__> yep I did that, it's when I get that error
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> david__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/dpkg-configure-a-error-361965/
[11:12] <david__> It's related with the first link you posted more than this last one
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> david__: not sure then :(
[11:15] <david__> I solved it
[11:15] <david__> thank you, it was I had 2 entries in initframs and only removed one
[11:15] <david__> the solution in the first link
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> david__: awesome :D
[11:17] <david__> hahaha this stuff happen when I read so quickly :D
[11:17] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: I just removed it all. Downloading the live cd  now :)
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: sweet move dude :D
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: looking good ?
[11:31] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: Well my software index is all fine now. We'll see about rc2 once the live cd finished downloading :)
[11:32] <jussio1> does anyon know the correct md5sum for the rc2 live cd?
[11:32] <Tm_T> jussio1: I don't
[11:32] <jussio1> :(
[11:33] <jussio1> where is stdin when you need him...
[11:33] <Tm_T> sleeping ofcourse =)
[11:33] <jussio1> hehe
[11:33] <Csigaa> jussio1: there should be an MD5SUMS file on the FTP
[11:33] <Csigaa> or on the download website
[11:33] <jussio1> Csigaa: nope
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: is that http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: http://simosnet.com/livecd/ubuntu/
[11:34] <jussio1> ActionParsnip: Csigaa, thats not the cd im talking about
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: what is the filename you downloaded?
[11:35] <jussio1> ActionParsnip: its the one linked to in /topic
[11:35] <jussio1> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu-kde4-rc2.iso
[11:36] <jussio1> and there is no md5 on http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/
[11:37] <david__> I succesfylly installed the RC2 already (KDE4)
[11:37] <david__> I just did an dist-upgrade before installing the packages
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> david__: sounds like a result :D
[11:42] <maxik> привет.....
[11:42] <maxik> тут помогают новичкам.
[11:42] <maxik> ???
[11:42] <jussio1> !ru | maxik
[11:42] <ubotu> maxik: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:45] <Norgur> hi
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> hi Norgur
[11:51] <jussio1> ActionParsnip: there is now a md5 on the wiki site :D
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: ace man couldnt find one myself
[11:51] <jussio1> ActionParsnip: yeah, I just asked the guy who hosts the cd for it :F
[11:51] <jussio1> :D
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: good choice man :D
[11:54] <dreamcoder> can anyone tell me how to let my xbox 360 connect to the internet through kubuntu?
[11:54] <dreamcoder> please
[11:59] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: did you set up NAT yet?
[12:00] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/
[12:00] <maxik> куда тут по русски?
[12:01] <dreamcoder>  ihave installed firestart thats about it
[12:01] <SatManUK> !ru
[12:01] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:01] <dreamcoder> i managed to get it done in suse 10.2 with yast
[12:01] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: taht won't work... read the howto and forget the GUI things :)
[12:01] <SatManUK> !ru @ maxik
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ru @ maxik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: firestarter is obsolete and discontinued, AFAIK
[12:01] <SatManUK> !ru maxik
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ru maxik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <dreamcoder> oooh
[12:02] <dreamcoder> so i shud get rid?
[12:02] <dreamcoder> could u take a look at this link and tell me if i cud just follow this guide ?
[12:02] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: learn to use iptables anyway. That comes handy all the time :)
[12:02] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: I think this guide is good for the basics
[12:03] <dreamcoder> yea i will just dont have time at the minute its for my son ya see to use his xbox
[12:03] <Csigaa> it tells how to set up a simple NAT
[12:03] <Csigaa> to set up real firewall, read the "netfilter howto" by the author of iptables
[12:03] <dreamcoder> ok thanks
[12:04] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: I don't know anything about the xbox settings
[12:04] <Csigaa> can it be set up manually?
[12:05] <Csigaa> you shold set up the gateway address (your PC) and the DNS servers (given by the ISP)
[12:05] <Csigaa> if it can only DHCP, it is more complicated...
[12:06] <dreamcoder> yes it can be setup manually
[12:06] <Csigaa> then no problem :)
[12:06] <dreamcoder> i know i had no problem before on suse... i have a general idea.. the only thing i had trouble with is opening ports so the nat isnt restrcied
[12:07] <Csigaa> you can open ports with "iptables -A INPUT -p $PROTOCOL --dport $PORTNUMBER -i $INTERFACE -j ACCEPT"
[12:08] <Csigaa> to forward ports (for the xbox - does it run any services which require open input ports?) it is a bit longer
[12:09] <Csigaa> portforward: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p $PROTOCOL -i $WAN_IFACE --dport $PORTNUMBER -j DNAT --to $XBOX_IP:$PORTNUMBER
[12:09] <Csigaa> $PROTOCOL is udp or tcp
[12:10] <dreamcoder> UDP 88, UDP 3074 and tcp 3074
[12:10] <Csigaa> $WAN_IFACE is the interface which connects to the Internet
[12:10] <kingzar> SMCWUSBT-G2 < wireless USB dongle isn't working in UBUNTU 7.10
[12:14] <waylandbill> is there a way to get a kicker on both of my monitors? where would I look to do this?
[12:16] <waylandbill> n/m. I clicked the main kicker panel and added a new panel. it was easier than I thought
[12:23] <kub^> can anyone jelp i added a kasbar ow cant get rid of it?
[12:24] <brubelsab1> how to install or use "component-chooser" in kde? which package?
[12:24] <kub^> nm found it im stupid :)
[12:24] <SatManUK> hahaha
[12:24] <SatManUK> no your not..
[12:24] <SatManUK> just takes getting used to..
[12:25] <kub^> yeah just feel a bit silly when you find it coz its a wee bit obvious :D
[12:26] <kingzar> Does someone know what to do with this problem
[12:26] <kingzar> i have an smcwusbt-g2 usb dongle
[12:26] <kingzar> on ndiswrapper there's none with this tag
[12:26] <kingzar> but smcwusbt-g version has the same Chipset as mine
[12:27] <kingzar> is it safe to say the same one works for me?
[12:29] <brubelsab1> how to set default browser to firefox?
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> brubelsab1: systemsettings->default apps
[12:30] <deuryte> xcell
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: no, with usb dongles things vary wildly
[12:30] <kingzar> so them i stuck between 2 versions
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: don'tyou have the windows driver CD?
[12:31] <kingzar> there's 1 with the correct name wrong chipset, or there's 1 with the correct chipset and wrong name
[12:31] <kingzar> yes i do
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: then use the drivers off of there.
[12:32] <kingzar> but how..
[12:32] <kingzar> the problem is that i'm trying to follow the guide of ndiswrapper
[12:32] <kingzar> because i don't know anyother way.. and there's no part saying how to do that :)
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: go onto the CD and fine the driver file and go from there.
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: the ndiswrapper instrzuctions should apply fairly well once you have .exe or .zip(depening on what it is)
[12:35] <brubelsab1> nosrednaekim: thanks, but I've had to install kde-systemsettings before, and now it runs perfectly, many thanks for this hint.
[12:35] <kingzar> i have the .zip
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> brubelsab1: if you just installed kde from Ubuntu, it may be helpful for you to install the "kubuntu-desktop" package.
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: unzip it and inside you will see a ".inf" follow the instructions on what to do with that
[12:36] <brubelsab1> nosrednaekim: oh.. yes I'll do this
[12:37] <brubelsab1> nosrednaekim: but why changes kubuntu the kde default behaviour of kcontrol?, IMHO in standard kde the options reside under "component-chooser"
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> brubelsab1: you can still get the old kcontrol with "alt+f2, kcontrol"
[12:41] <brubelsab1> nosrednaekim: but then there is still no "component-chooser" in the "kde components"-section
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> brubelsab1: oh... IDK
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> tried to install this
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> and now my system is broken
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> dependancy errors
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> I did remove the previous packages
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> as it said
[12:46] <brubelsab1> bye
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> http://pastebin.ca/813289
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> the errors
[12:46] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: had the same problem.but it works on a fresh gutsy install
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> it's supposed to install in /usr/lib/kde4
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> ok
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> nvm
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> how do I remove it ?
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> all
[12:47] <xRaich[o]2x> dpkg -r packagename should do the trick
[12:48] <DarkWizzard> it was from the repositoryes
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> !brokenkde4
[12:50] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: in addition use the instruction in the wiki in the channel topic
[12:51] <oakxx> i have to type this to install something.... cmake . -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RELEASE  , now , am i supposed to change RELEASE to something like kubuntu?
[12:52] <DarkWizzard> ok
[12:52] <DarkWizzard> thanks guys
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> YW
[12:53]  * ActionParsnip is waiting for kde4 to be officially released
[12:53]  * DarkWizzard is to curious to wait and hopes that RC 2 is a LOT better than RC1
[12:53] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: it is ;)
[12:54]  * nosrednaekim calls ActionParsnip a coward
[12:54] <DarkWizzard> good then
[12:54] <DarkWizzard> :)
[12:54]  * nosrednaekim hopes soo too cause it his main dE
[12:54] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: damn that's what i call patience ^^
[12:54] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm running kde4 right now. it's stunning
[12:54] <DarkWizzard> cool
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: well i work on computers all day so i'm not massively up for pain and headache if i get any ssues
[12:54] <oakxx> i have to type this to install something.... cmake . -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RELEASE  , now , am i supposed to change RELEASE to something like kubuntu?
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> I'm using qlwm right now.... erased all RC1 and getting RC2
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> I saw that they got the systray working
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: i just use kubuntu as its easy and simple to work with
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> :)
[12:55] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: systray works. composite works and so on ^^
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> good
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> can't wait :D
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> those ScreenShots were amazing.
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: kinda like my dad who drives automatic transmission cars cos he's a bus driver and wants an easy life
[12:55] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: wait until you see the running program ;)
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: well,composite was working for me on RC1
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> i was just missing the panel.
[12:56] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: well kubuntu is an amazing distro
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> and the ability to change the wallpaper (yech!)
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: yeah i know its pretty sweet
[12:56] <DarkWizzard> I like the gradients in the new panel
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> did they fix that in RC2 ?
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> I mean the wallpaper thing
[12:57] <xRaich[o]2x> kde3 looks horrible compared to kde4 ^^
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: I believe I read it somewhere.... in any case, its not the same flowers.:D
[12:58]  * xRaich[o]2x is feeling like running a mac again.... only better
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> it will rule
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> I know it
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> just needs some time
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> :)
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> I mean look at the base of that stuff
[12:59] <DarkWizzard> Qt4
[12:59] <DarkWizzard> that framework rocks :)
[12:59] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm still missing some packages but the overall look and feel is just amazing
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> lol, did you guys see what Mattias Kretz did? haha
[12:59] <xRaich[o]2x> 4.1 will rule so hard it'll hurt ^^
[13:00] <xRaich[o]2x> can't wait for Qt4.4 so amarok 2 can be released ^^
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> yeah... amarok 2 should be pretty amazing, finally available for all those windows-itunes prisoners.
[13:01] <DarkWizzard> nosrednaekim: what did he do ?
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: modified the QT classes to ad bling to buttons, titlebars etc.... reflection and animation,
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> lemme find the link..
[13:02] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: hopyfully it will attract more users to kde
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> http://vir.homelinux.org/blog/index.php?/archives/89-going-crazy.html
[13:03] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> now this is cool
[13:03] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard_KDE4: is it running? ;)
[13:03] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> yeah
[13:03] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> :)
[13:03] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> ahh wallpaper change :D
[13:03] <xRaich[o]2x> enjoy the amazingness ^^
[13:04]  * nosrednaekim is so jealous
[13:04] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> moveable widgets :)
[13:04] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> how do I know if composite is running ?
[13:04] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> :)
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard_KDE4: right click on the title bar and select preferences
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> *title bar of a window
[13:05] <xRaich[o]2x> configure window behavior
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> lol... i'm still stuck in kde3 stuff :D
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> the screen turned white :d
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> all white
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> I have compiz working
[13:06] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: there are still so many programms missing but i just can't go back anymore
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> on my kde3
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: plasma crash
[13:06] <xRaich[o]2x> yep
[13:06] <xRaich[o]2x> plasma crash
[13:07] <Csigaa> well... I'll wait for the final KDE4.1
[13:07] <Csigaa> in KDE3, 3.1 still sucked bcause of bugs
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: I still use alot of kde3 programs
[13:07] <bdgraue> i have KDE4 rc2 running, works all fine and smooth, one little problem i have ist, that firefox crashes all time, is that a known "feature" ?
[13:07] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: i could to... but they feel so wrong XD
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> bdgraue: certainly is :D
[13:07] <DarkWizzard> ok I'm in trouble :D
[13:08] <Csigaa> bdgraue: firefox should not be affected by any KDE stuff
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> how do I disable desktop effects
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> without seeing anything
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> I'll just delet
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> e
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> .kde4 :)
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: just ctrl+alt bckspace it
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> I did
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> but it started with effects enabled
[13:08] <bdgraue> Csigaa: can this be a problem with the installed firetray addon?
[13:08] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: what video card are you using?
[13:09] <Csigaa> bdgraue: now that can affect... try disabling/uninstalling it
[13:09] <DarkWizzard> Radeon 9200 SE
[13:09] <DarkWizzard> old as hell :d
[13:09] <DarkWizzard> but compiz works with it
[13:09] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: you need a new one
[13:09] <bdgraue> Csigaa: i'll try it, but i can't do it from inside firefox ;)
[13:09] <Csigaa> but supported :)
[13:10] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: the new one support AIGLX
[13:10] <DarkWizzard> this one does too
[13:10] <DarkWizzard> I'm using the open source radeon driver
[13:10] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok
[13:10] <DarkWizzard> because my card is old and it's supported
[13:10] <Csigaa> bdgraue: mv .mozilla .mozilla.bug (you get a new fresh config)
[13:10] <Csigaa> (without the buggy element)
[13:10] <bdgraue> jop
[13:11]  * xRaich[o]2x totally digs those intel chipsets
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> DarkWizzard: how much ram does your 9200 have?
[13:11] <Csigaa> the joke is, that Radeon8500 and above WAS supported by ati... long time ago
[13:11] <DarkWizzard> 128 MB
[13:11] <DarkWizzard> I think
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> DarkWizzard: not a bad card. better than onboard
[13:13] <DarkWizzard> yeah I'm ok with it
[13:13] <DarkWizzard> I can run compiz and play Urban Terror :D
[13:13] <DarkWizzard> what else do I need :D
[13:13]  * jussio1 has a 9250...
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> DarkWizzard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremulous
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> DarkWizzard: its awesome :D
[13:14] <DarkWizzard> cool :)
[13:14]  * jussio1 agrees 100%
[13:14]  * DarkWizzard loves Quake games :D
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> the 9100 integrated never was supported by fglrx , but now it is by radeon
[13:17] <bdgraue> Csigaa: firefox seems to work now, i think it was the firetray, i removed it from the extensions.ini and deleted the folder for this extension, for now firefox is running :D
[13:17] <DarkWizzard> those that thing work ?
[13:18] <DarkWizzard> firetray ?
[13:19] <DarkWizzard> hmm Tremolous graphics remind me of Jedi academy
[13:19] <bdgraue> firetray is an firefox addon that shows ann systray-icon, but it don't work with the kde4 very well, i think
[13:20] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[13:20] <DarkWizzard> those that command work if I want to remove RC 2 too ?
[13:21] <DarkWizzard> it doesn't start
[13:21] <DarkWizzard> at all now :D
[13:27] <Reydan> ?
[13:27] <deuryte> A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept.
[13:31] <grothesk> !brokenkde4
[13:31] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[13:32] <bazhang> there is a livecd of kubuntu now out iirc with rc2 of kde4
[13:40] <Jack111> hi
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks : )
[13:41] <anil> Hi
[13:41] <[B5C]wallabee> hiho
[13:42] <BluesKaj> !hi | [B5C]wallabee
[13:42] <ubotu> [B5C]wallabee: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[13:42] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: howdy
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T , how goes it ?
[13:43] <anil> I have intel 915 graphics card and compiz is not working fine on kubutnu .. Its loading fantastic on ubuntu. How can I tweak compiz
[13:43] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: okie, msn?
[13:43] <DarkWizzard> is it a problem is kde4 is trying to remove kdebase-bin-kde3
[13:43] <DarkWizzard> ?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> ok Tm_T
[13:45] <anil> can someone help me .. please
[13:45] <anil> :)
[13:46] <[B5C]wallabee> i have also a intel + kubuntu + conpiz fusion but it works like a charm
[13:46] <Jack111> i have got the problem that i can receive emails with guarddog, but not send.i am using the standard internet/local konfiguration and pop,2,3 are allowed.i also opened the ports that gmx uses, but it doesnt help
[13:46] <anil> Hi .. wallabee .. how you are strting it
[13:46] <[B5C]wallabee> compiz --replace
[13:47] <anil> thats all ... any other switches.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Jack111, is this in the workplace or at home ?
[13:47] <[B5C]wallabee> not really
[13:47] <[B5C]wallabee> thats all
[13:47] <martijn81> how do i config my hp 2600N network printer?
[13:48] <anil> wallbee .. let me try that .. iam using compiz.real
[13:48] <Jack111> BluesKaj: workplace,  it works without firewall, i mean the sending works
[13:48] <[B5C]wallabee> martijn81, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=457112&highlight=2600n
[13:51] <anil> wallbee .. it seems to be working fine
[13:51] <[B5C]wallabee> ;)
[13:51] <anil> wallbee .. is theer any extra packages i can try for compix
[13:51] <[B5C]wallabee> are u using compiz fusion?
[13:51] <anil> yup
[13:52] <anil> I just migrated from PCLOS
[13:52] <anil> getting used to Kubuntu
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Jack111, sorry I don't know about guarddog , but I do know there are some very effective filters in kmail
[13:52] <[B5C]wallabee> heres a link for extra plugs http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=5303
[13:53] <[B5C]wallabee> anil but dont't try atlantis2 intel is to slow ;)
[13:55] <anil> wallbee .. that is awsome .. can i follow the instructions exactly there. It seems like for ubuntu ..
[13:55] <[B5C]wallabee> jep
[13:55] <anil> wallbee .. Thanks ... :)
[13:55] <[B5C]wallabee> i trid atlantis (not 2 ) and it works with my intel
[13:56] <anil> wallbee .. gr8 help for me
[13:56] <[B5C]wallabee> np
[13:56] <anil> I have one more q ... how to change the mouse pointer ... i don't want that dancing icon ... :D
[13:56] <[B5C]wallabee> hm i did this too but ..
[13:57] <[B5C]wallabee> have to find it again
[13:57] <[B5C]wallabee> im off for a smoke now 5 mins
[13:57] <anil> I couldn't find an option for that ... :(
[13:57] <anil> smoking is not good ... :)
[13:57] <anil> I quit ... now 2 days :D
[13:58] <deuryte> I smoke , but don't inhail...
[13:58] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[13:58] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:59] <anil> sorry for that ... :) be caredul nxt time
[13:59] <anil> so how can i change my mouse pointer .. please help
[14:00] <bazhang> anil: the icon or the feedback?
[14:01] <anil> hello bazhang ... I am just trying to change the dancing busy icon under the mouse pointer
[14:01] <[B5C]wallabee> anil, wait a moment
[14:01] <anil> sure wallbee ..
[14:02]  * BluesKaj wishes users would explore/browse the optional changes available in 'system settings'
[14:03] <bazhang> appearance and themes launch feedback anil
[14:04] <anil> let me check bazhang
[14:04] <anil> I am in appearance menu ...
[14:04] <anil> there which option i have to choose
[14:05] <bazhang> anil: set it to no busy cursor
[14:05] <bazhang> launch feedback
[14:05] <deuryte> anil..... k menue ,  system settings ,  keyboard and mose...
[14:05] <DarkWizzard> does anyone have a package for kickoff menu ?
[14:06] <anil> Thanks for the tip deuryte
[14:06] <[B5C]wallabee> ah ok
[14:06] <DarkWizzard> my kmenu is broken
[14:06] <DarkWizzard> I have been using kickoff but now it wont open
[14:06] <deuryte> 4
[14:06] <DarkWizzard> and when I try to open it kicker freezes
[14:07] <bazhang> launch feedback is the correct setting anil
[14:08] <[B5C]wallabee> is it possible to get dualview (expanded) with the standard ati (ati in xorg) driver?
[14:08] <deuryte> l
[14:10] <kingzar> AAAHH!! i'm so close to getting internet.. i installed my SMC dongle with ndiswrapper. and i tried to setup my network
[14:10] <kingzar> and because i didn't knew my password anymore
[14:10] <kingzar> i was trying different inputs.. But it didn't work fast enough so i rebooted.
[14:10] <kingzar> and now it doesn't see my dongle anymore the networkmanager that is
[14:11] <[B5C]wallabee> is it possible to get dualview (expanded) with the standard ati (ati in xorg) driver?
[14:11] <martijn81> [B5C]wallabee: there is one thing with this: i use system-config-printer now in 7.10 and this has other options
[14:11] <anil> launch feedback or visual feedback on activation (its enabled now)
[14:11] <kingzar> can someone give me some input
[14:11] <Jack111> can someone help with guarddog??
[14:11] <Jack111> thanks
[14:11] <martijn81> so i cannot get it to work :(
[14:12] <[B5C]wallabee> martijn81, sorry just quick searched ubuntuforums
[14:12] <anil> bazhang ... can u please confirm the option i;ve to disable
[14:13] <bazhang> anil: launch feedback, set to no busy cursor
[14:13] <bazhang> anil: then hit apply
[14:14] <dny> hi! ich kann bei mir keinen drucker einrichten, da die treiber nicht installiert werden können. versuche es über kde unter systemeinstellungen. bin auch als root dort angemeldet...
[14:14] <dny> hat irgendjemand eine idee woran das liegen könnte?
[14:14] <bazhang> !de | dny
[14:14] <ubotu> dny: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[14:15] <dny> sorry :)
[14:15] <martijn81> anyone knows howto config with system-config-printer?
[14:15] <anil> bazhang ... i am sorry I couldn;t find that on keyboard and mouse settings :(
[14:16] <bazhang> anil: because it's not in there; that was some other person's suggestion :} I suggested the system settings appearances and themes
[14:19] <anil> bazhang ... I'm there ... which option to select
[14:20] <pysiak1> hi all
[14:20] <bazhang> anil: launch feedback
[14:21] <Jack111> is somebody into guarddog?
[14:21] <anil> bazhang .. got it man ... :)
[14:21] <anil> bazhang ... gr8
[14:21] <martijn81> how do i know the Device URI: from my hp printer?
[14:22] <llutz> martijn81: laserjet with jedirect-connection?
[14:22] <llutz> jetdirect
[14:23] <llutz> martijn81: socket://ip-of-your-printer
[14:23] <martijn81> llutz: dunno what jetdirect is?
[14:23] <martijn81> but it is connected by lan
[14:23] <llutz> try socket...
[14:23] <martijn81> k
[14:23] <[B5C]wallabee> anil, where did u find it?
[14:24] <anil> alt+f2 >> kcontrol >> launch feedback
[14:25] <bdgraue> how can i get the pager-widget in my "taskbar"?
[14:25] <[B5C]wallabee> ah thanx anil
[14:26] <anil> [B5C]wallabee, i didn't know busy cursor setting was in LAunch Feedback .. I always skip that menu
[14:26] <anil> :D ... everyhthing is fine now
[14:27] <Ashwin> who yamal
[14:27] <martijn81> llutz: worked!
[14:27] <[B5C]wallabee> anil, yep
[14:28] <anil> Is it pssoible to use voice for gtalk in pidgin?
[14:28] <[B5C]wallabee> one quest: is it possible to get dualview (expanded) with the standard ati (ati in xorg) driver?
[14:28] <llutz> martijn81: fine
[14:31] <martijn81> :)
[14:31] <anil> gtalk with voice in linux ... possible ?? any software that support this
[14:34] <bazhang> anil: pidgin perhaps
[14:34] <hydrogen> any jabber software
[14:36] <Ashwin> ch
[14:36] <anil> I found one gtalk replacement
[14:36] <anil> http://www.jabbin.com/int/
[14:36] <hydrogen> all jabber clients
[14:36] <[B5C]wallabee> kopete?
[14:36] <hydrogen> can work for gtalk
[14:37] <Tm_T> yes
[14:37] <hydrogen> as long as your not trying to voice
[14:37] <Tm_T> yup, but for voice, there's no real choice
[14:37] <anil> its support voice too
[14:37] <anil> i guess .. their site claiming that
[14:38] <anil> i'm downloading it ...
[14:47] <BluesKaj> bazhang, launch feedback? , where in kubuntu gutsy system settings/appearances is that
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:48] <[B5C]wallabee> BluesKaj, alt+f2 >> kcontrol >> launch feedback
[14:48] <huXfluX> hello all! can someone explain in big lines what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? or at least tell me what's the biggest difference
[14:50] <stdin> !aptitude | huXfluX
[14:50] <ubotu> huXfluX: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[14:50] <llutz> huXfluX: there's no _big_ difference, aptitude handles packages a bit more smart and is the recommended tool for debian
[14:52] <bazhang> BluesKaj: I believe it is kcontrol
[14:52] <bazhang> oops never mind
[14:54] <BluesKaj> yes bazhang thx , i found it ..oddd that it doesn't appear in system settings/appearance. Seems to me that kcontrol and system settings should be integrated in kde ... it's confusing
[14:54] <[B5C]wallabee> had the same prob ;)
[14:54] <bazhang> BluesKaj: add to the fact that I have kbfx and it's even worse :}
[14:55] <[B5C]wallabee> juhu finally my ssh server is working hehe
[14:56] <BluesKaj> sort of like the sound system setup, too many cooks with alsa , kmix, sound system settings etc
[14:56] <bazhang> so true
[15:04] <frojnd> hello there
[15:04] <frojnd> I need ati users help
[15:04] <bazhang> hi frojnd
[15:04] <[B5C]wallabee> hiho
[15:04] <frojnd> hi bazhang
[15:06] <BluesKaj> frojnd, ok will try to help , what's the prob ?
[15:09] <frojnd> BluesKaj, hm... I can't watch movies :D
[15:09] <frojnd> when I full screen them, the picture is not "clear"
[15:10] <frojnd> also sometimes I get some borders in right lower corner...
[15:10] <frojnd> which is quite annoying
[15:10] <jett_> hey
[15:10] <jett_> quick question
[15:10] <BluesKaj> which player are you using , frojnd ?
[15:10] <jett_> does anyone know where i can find the "exe" file for akregator
[15:10] <frojnd> BluesKaj, VLC, mplayer,..
[15:11] <BluesKaj> jett_, look in kontact
[15:11] <jett_> can anyone help?
[15:11] <frojnd> BluesKaj, with drivers should everything be ok if I do fglrxinfo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47958/
[15:11] <jett_> koncact?
[15:11] <jett_> whats kontact?
[15:11] <bazhang> jett_: you want to launch akgregator?
[15:11] <jett_> no
[15:11] <jett_> i want to find it so i can add feeds to it
[15:11] <bazhang> ok
[15:11] <BluesKaj> frojnd, what is you resolution set up in system settings/monitor&display
[15:11] <[B5C]wallabee> jett_ there is no exe just install with adept
[15:11] <jett_> with firefox
[15:12] <jett_> its installed
[15:12] <jett_> i just need to find where
[15:12] <frojnd> BluesKaj, 1440x900
[15:12] <bazhang> jett_: you want to add rss feeds to firefox?
[15:12] <[B5C]wallabee> ah ok you want the install folder?
[15:12] <jett_> i looked in usr/bin, etc, opt, bin
[15:12] <jett_> yeah
[15:12] <jett_> like you find the feed, press on the orange box in the url and then find the app for the rss reader
[15:13] <bazhang> jett_: click on the rss feed on the firefox address window and add it that way
[15:13] <jett_> then it tells me to locate it
[15:13] <stdin> jett_: the "exe" is /usr/bin/akregator
[15:14] <jett_> thanks ill try that
[15:14] <frojnd> BluesKaj, also, if I maximize glxgears I get about 1551 frames in 5.0 seconds = 309.706 FPS1046 frames in 5.0 seconds = 208.470 FPS  isn't this too low for ati mobility x1440 ?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> akregator is in kmenu/internet list
[15:14] <frojnd> BluesKaj, I am lost here why would't work movies and 3d effects..
[15:15] <hydrogen> frojnd: glxgears is a really bad benchmark
[15:15] <jett_> hmm
[15:15] <jett_> i didnt find it there
[15:16] <jett_> could it be anywhere else besides /usr/bin?
[15:16] <stdin> jett_: if it's installed, that's where it is
[15:16] <frojnd> hydrogen, ok, what about if I run supertux and resolution get's fu*** so I have to restart gdm ?
[15:16] <[B5C]wallabee> use the search but as stdin it should be there
[15:16] <BluesKaj> frojnd, no that's like my X200G ati onboard card ..the best I've seen is 300fps on my setup but that was with an unstable experimental driver , but 200fps is sufficint for most movies
[15:17] <frojnd> BluesKaj, ... so there is something wrong with my codecs ? But why I can't play any games..
[15:17] <jett_> hmm
[15:17] <BluesKaj> which card frojnd ?
[15:17] <jett_> maybe its not showing up cause i just installed it?
[15:17] <jett_> ill try restarting
[15:18] <BluesKaj> jett_, have you looked in the kmenu/intenet list ?
[15:18] <frojnd> BluesKaj, ati mobility x1400
[15:18] <bazhang> jett_: no need to restart
[15:18] <[B5C]wallabee> jett_ this is not windows ;)
[15:19] <jett_> lol
[15:19] <jett_> ok im just blind then
[15:19] <_Angelus_> jett_ if something is not apearing in the k-menu , open consol and do "kbuildsycoca"
[15:19] <_Angelus_> something like that
[15:19] <bazhang> jett_: alt +f2 akregator
[15:19] <_Angelus_> or try re-loging in
[15:19] <jett_> ok thanks there we go
[15:20] <jett_> you guys rock!
[15:20] <jett_> i just bought this dell with linux on it
[15:20] <jett_> i love it!
[15:20] <bazhang> nice
[15:20] <Daisuke_Ido> jett_: what model?
[15:21] <Kano> hi, did nobody test konqueor on the kde 4 live cd before releasing it?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> frojnd, can you play games in windows ?
[15:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Kano: what's the problem?
[15:22] <frojnd> BluesKaj, ofcourse,,,
[15:22] <frojnd> BluesKaj, also playing movies in full screen
[15:22] <bazhang> heh
[15:22] <Daisuke_Ido> when you come in complaining about something and not actually asking a question, expect to be pretty much ignored.
[15:22] <Kano> Daisuke_Ido: it does not work. it can not even open my website correcty, instead 30 message windows appear
[15:22] <Kano> also smb:/ is not working
[15:23] <Daisuke_Ido> that's better.
[15:23] <Daisuke_Ido> but probably something better taken up with #kde-devel
[15:24] <BluesKaj> frojnd, in the terminal type : fgl_glxgears
[15:25] <frojnd> BluesKaj, 2023 frames in 5.0 seconds = 404.600 FPS2126 frames in 5.0 seconds = 425.200 FPS2100 frames in 5.0 seconds = 420.000 F
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok , frojnd check system settings /advanced/restricted drivers/enabled  ?
[15:30] <frojnd> BluesKaj, it says: only in use
[15:32] <frojnd> BluesKaj, brb... I'll restart
[15:32] <[B5C]wallabee> are there any good touchscreen apps in kde?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> frojnd, that's the default driver for gutsy...ok in pastebin , post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[15:34] <bazhang> [B5C]wallabee: as in kiosk?
[15:34] <[B5C]wallabee> hm whats kiosk
[15:34] <eshat> how do i open kmail, the easy way ??? there is no menu entry for it
[15:35] <jpatrick> eshat: use kontact
[15:35] <pag> eshat, alt+f2 -> kmail
[15:35] <bazhang> alt + f2 kmail
[15:36] <[B5C]wallabee> a ipod touch like album switch with amarok?
[15:37] <[B5C]wallabee> or something like that
[15:37] <bazhang> [B5C]wallabee: maybe in kde5 :}
[15:37] <[B5C]wallabee> ;)
[15:37] <eshat> jpatrick: ahh that's it i uninstalled kontact,.. thanks
[15:40] <tekteen> hi
[15:40] <[B5C]wallabee> found one: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52641&forumpage=20&PHPSESSID=136e3e04198cd1acd4042e3155956259 looks nice
[15:42] <[B5C]wallabee> hm strange used the ati driver (about 700 fps) installed fglrx (1200 fps) used ati again (2700fps) lol
[15:43] <tekteen> anyone know why my NIC would change interface names (eth0, eth1, eth2, etc.)? It adds 1 to the name everytime I reboot. I think the reason is it thinks it is a new NIC and installs it everytime I reboot. Is there a way to fix that?
[15:45] <trappist> tekteen: ooh I've seen that one before
[15:46] <BluesKaj> [B5C]wallabee, on gutsy ?
[15:46] <tekteen> trappist: Is there a way to fix it?
[15:46] <trappist> tekteen: yes, but I'm gonna have to try really hard to remember
[15:46] <[B5C]wallabee> BluesKaj, jep on gutsy
[15:46] <tekteen> ok
[15:46] <tekteen> I am home sick
[15:46] <tekteen> I have all day. :-D
[15:49] <trappist> tekteen: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:49] <zyp1>  hello, I'm looking for the password for root in my kubuntu-rc2..
[15:49] <trappist> tekteen: also, is your nic a wireless card?
[15:49] <trappist> zyp1: doesn't have one
[15:49] <trappist> !sudo
[15:49] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[15:50] <tekteen> trappist: yes ... no
[15:50] <zyp1> trappist: I get asked for one, enter does not work
[15:50] <trappist> zyp1: you get asked for it when you do what?
[15:50] <llutz> zyp1: its your user-password
[15:50] <trappist> zyp1: root doesn't have an *empty* password, it has *no* password, as in no password will work
[15:51] <zyp1> ok, I get asked when I try to enter konqueror file manager
[15:51] <trappist> zyp1: enter your user password
[15:51] <zyp1> not workin
[15:51] <zyp1> g
[15:52] <trappist> zyp1: how are you launching konquerer?  it shouldn't ask for a passw... wait a minute are you using hardy heron?
[15:52] <zyp1> but it's fast :-) using a 1ghz, 397 ram.. faster than kde3..
[15:53] <zyp1> gutsy, kdm->kde4...everything is working
[15:53] <tekteen> trappist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47960/
[15:53] <zyp1> tried to open all programs in kickoff with "kde 4" name...
[15:53] <trappist> gotcha.  well possibly something's new and/or broken in the kde4 packages, but I don't know anything about those
[15:53] <sersocker> Muy buenas que tal?
[15:54] <tekteen> !es | sersocker
[15:54] <ubotu> sersocker: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:54] <Minataku> KDE4 itself is broken by virtue of it's unfinished nature
[15:54] <Minataku> For an RC2, it sure is pretty lousy
[15:54] <sersocker> #kubuntu-es
[15:54] <tekteen> sì
[15:54] <trappist> tekteen: ok that part looks good...
[15:55] <tekteen> trappist: my wireless was a nightmare to get working
[15:55] <trappist> yeah that can be hard
[15:55] <zyp1> but why would my X use less mem in kde4?
[15:55] <zyp1> Xorg
[15:56] <tekteen> trappist: So why does it get a new interface name
[15:56] <tekteen> ?
[15:56] <trappist> tekteen: don't know yet :) that's just the first thing I wanted to look at
[15:56] <tekteen> ok
[15:57] <trappist> tekteen: if you say ifconfig -a, do you see eth0, eth1 etc., or just eth2?
[15:57] <tekteen> sounds good :-)
[15:57] <lamliki> nick /dulll
[15:57] <tekteen> trappist: just eth22
[15:58] <trappist> tekteen: do you have a file called /etc/iftab?
[15:58] <tekteen> no
[15:58] <llutz> tekteen: chek /etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules  and 75-persistent-net-generator.rules
[15:59] <tekteen> llutz: what do I check
[15:59] <trappist> tekteen: create one, with one line, like this: eth0 mac 00:ff:00:ff:00:ff:00 arp 1
[15:59] <trappist> tekteen: replace the hex business with the mac of your nic
[15:59] <llutz> tekteen: simply set your mac-adr in 70-persistent-net.rules to be mapped to eth0
[16:00] <trappist> tekteen: actually listen to llutz :)
[16:00] <trappist> he knows something I don't know
[16:00] <llutz> trappist: not sure...
[16:00] <llutz> but thats the place the devices are confiugerd/named here
[16:01] <tekteen> llutz: can I pastebin the 2 files?
[16:01] <llutz> tekteen: just change the ATTRS{address} to your MAC:        SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:16:e6:d5:10:e1", NAME="eth0"
[16:02] <tekteen> ok
[16:02] <tekteen> in the first or secound file?
[16:02] <llutz> first one, hopefully i'm not telling s...t :)
[16:02] <tekteen> second*
[16:04] <tekteen> I am going to restart and see if it helped. brb
[16:08] <trappist> I wonder why I have a /etc/iftab on one gutsy box and not another
[16:10] <tekteen> It did not work
[16:10] <tekteen> I think the mac address changed
[16:11] <tekteen> trappist?
[16:11] <tekteen> trappist, u here?
[16:12] <trappist> tekteen: I sure can't think of a reason that would happen.  does the current mac match the one you put into that file?
[16:12] <tekteen> no
[16:13] <tekteen> llutz: u still here?
[16:13] <trappist> that's insanity, and would explain your problem, I think... I can't imagine why it would happen, though.  the mac is hard-coded into the card.  it's possible to change it, but I've never seen that happen accidentally.
[16:13] <tekteen> ok
[16:14] <tekteen> is there a way to device the PCI device instead of the MAC address
[16:14] <trappist> not that I know of
[16:15] <tekteen> is llutz still here?
[16:15] <trappist> I haven't seen him leave
[16:16] <bazhang> just hiding :}
[16:16] <tekteen> trappist: his ghost is here (logged in but afk)
[16:17] <Arvid> I just installed KDE4, but when I try to log in it just throws my out again
[16:17] <llutz> tekteen: needed some coffee :) it didn't work?
[16:17] <tekteen> no
[16:17] <tekteen> the mac address keeps changing
[16:18] <tekteen> Is there a way to choose a PCI device instead
[16:18] <tekteen> ?
[16:18] <llutz> tekteen: i don't know, sry
[16:18] <tekteen> Is there a way to choose the PCI address instead?
[16:19] <Kohlrabi> tekteen: maybe it would be easier to fix your changing-MAC-problem
[16:19] <Kohlrabi> that sounds very weird
[16:21] <trappist> tekteen: what kind of nic do you have?
[16:21] <tekteen> trappist: one sec
[16:21] <trappist> tekteen: also, where are you looking for the card's mac address?
[16:22] <tekteen> 2 places
[16:22] <tekteen> the file and ifconfig
[16:22] <tekteen> both are the same
[16:22] <trappist> what file?
[16:22] <tekteen> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[16:23] <trappist> tekteen: do you mean that file has your *current* mac in it?
[16:23] <tekteen> trappist: It is automatically edited by udev
[16:23] <trappist> ah, gotcha.
[16:23] <trappist> this is in-frickin-sane.
[16:24] <trappist> so, what kind of nic?
[16:24] <tekteen> trappist: It also has the old mac as well assigned to eth0
[16:24] <trappist> (lspci, maybe)
[16:24] <trappist> tekteen: does it have more than one SUBSYSTEM line, with the different macs/devnames?
[16:24] <tekteen> trappist: yes
[16:25] <trappist> wow.
[16:26] <trappist> tekteen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481847
[16:26] <huXfluX> hello! you all may know about apt-file. it allows you to search for files provided by a package, usefull when you need to install a library.so.1 but don't know which package provides it. however, is there a way to use aptitude for this ?
[16:26] <trappist> tekteen: do you have an nforce chipset?
[16:27] <llutz> huXfluX:  sudo aptitude install apt-file
[16:27] <trappist> heh.
[16:27] <llutz> huXfluX: apt-file is the packagename as well
[16:28] <tekteen> trappist: I do not know
[16:28] <trappist> tekteen: pastebin the output of lspci please
[16:28] <tekteen> trappist: I will post the output of lspci
[16:28] <llutz>  lspci |grep -i netw
[16:29] <tekteen> It is not listed
[16:29] <trappist> tekteen: also please try dmest | grep -i 'mac address'
[16:29] <bulio> can I install kubuntu on top of ubuntu?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> !weather CWBE
[16:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about weather cwbe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:30] <trappist> llutz: could also be "Ethernet"
[16:30] <Kohlrabi> bulio: you can get the kde-files
[16:30] <tekteen> trappist:bash: dmest: command not found
[16:30] <bulio> also, how do I install KDE4
[16:30] <BluesKaj> oops wrong room :)
[16:30] <llutz> trappist: ups, my bad
[16:30] <trappist> tekteen: sorry typo, it's dmesg
[16:30] <tekteen> 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 054c (rev a2)
[16:31] <trappist> tekteen: ok so it's an nforce nic
[16:31] <bulio> Kohlrabi, is it better just to do a fresh install?
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> bulio: no, it's a minimal change
[16:31] <trappist> tekteen: do the dmesg thing please
[16:31] <bulio> ok
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> just `apt-get install kde-desktop` if I remember correctly
[16:31] <bulio> and how do I install KDE4
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> that I don't know
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> !kde4
[16:31] <llutz> kubuntu-desktop
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> err
[16:31] <Norgur> bulio, look at kubuntu.org
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> yes, kubuntu*
[16:31] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> sorry
[16:32] <tekteen> trappist: [   19.536962] 0000:00:0a.0: Invalid Mac address detected: 4b:eb:cd:24:1b:00
[16:32] <trappist> tekteen: that's it.  it's auto-assigning a random mac because it reads the mac as invalid.
[16:32] <trappist> tekteen: do you have an asus motherboard?
[16:32] <tekteen> trappist: ok
[16:32] <huXfluX> llutz i know that. i was wondering if aptitude cand do what apt-file does.
[16:33] <trappist> huXfluX: I don't think it can.
[16:33] <tekteen> Is there a way to tell it that the ethernet card (PCI address) has a mac address of ...
[16:33] <llutz> tekteen: http://groups.google.com/group/id-ubuntu/browse_thread/thread/c169ec7f985e362c
[16:34] <tekteen> llutz: what language is it in?
[16:34] <llutz> tekteen: make  70-persistent-net.rules one line like:        SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="forcedeth", NAME="eth0"
[16:34] <TimS> I was messing arround with Kaffine and I set a toolbar to flat and it has dissapeared, how can I get it back?
[16:34] <llutz> tekteen: i don't know, but the essential thing is english :)
[16:35] <tekteen> llutz: where is the english
[16:35] <tekteen> ?
[16:35] <llutz> tekteen: 2. article
[16:35] <tekteen> ok
[16:36] <llutz> tekteen: "Yulian" blabla, at the end. please check if you are using forcedeth-driver "lsmod|grep forcedeath"
[16:36] <tekteen> I am
[16:36] <llutz> tekteen: so try it that way
[16:37] <tekteen> llutz: nm
[16:37] <tekteen> llutz: nothing showed up when I typed the comand
[16:37] <tekteen> but in the file it says ...
[16:38] <tekteen> # PCI device 0x10de:0x054c (forcedeth)
[16:38] <llutz> tekteen: "lsmod|grep forcedeth" as a typo
[16:38] <tekteen> ok
[16:38] <tekteen> forcedeth              55048  0
[16:39] <llutz> ah
[16:39] <tekteen> I will reboot then?
[16:39] <llutz> tekteen: try and pray
[16:39] <tekteen> got it
[16:40] <khumba-yo> hi
[16:41] <mendred> hi are there kde4 rc2 packages for amd64?
[16:42] <khumba-yo> ~ weechat test succeeded ~ :D
[16:43] <tekteen> IT WORKS :-D
[16:43] <tekteen> llutz: it is now eth0
[16:44] <llutz> tekteen: fine, hopefully it will be eth0 next reboot too :)
[16:44] <tekteen> llutz: next I will edit /etc/network/interfaces
[16:44] <tekteen> llutz: I need to make eth0 always the same mac
[16:45] <tekteen> That I think I can do
[16:45] <tekteen> thanks :-D
[16:46] <trappist> tekteen: you can permanently set the mac using ethtool
[16:47] <tekteen> ok
[16:47] <trappist> permanently as in alter the card's eeprom
[16:47] <tekteen> oh
[16:48] <tekteen> I want linux to know my mac address
[16:48] <trappist> well your problem is your card has an invalid (according to linux) mac address.  if you fix that, you'll be good.
[16:49] <tekteen> trappist: I am going to try modifying the interfaces file
[16:49] <trappist> good luck :)  I don't think it'll do the trick
[16:50] <tekteen> I am going to map eth0 which works to the correct MAC
[16:53] <napster_> hey guys, I would like to unlock my samsung E250 I have already googeld but nothing found
[16:53] <llutz> trappist: / tekteen like this way?  http://embedded.seattle.intel-research.net/wiki/index.php?title=Setting_the_MAC_Address_from_Linux
[16:53] <tekteen> thanks
[16:53] <napster_> are maby someone has a link or a good program for me ?
[16:53] <trappist> llutz: yeah that's what I was just looking at :)
[16:54] <tekteen> llutz: I do not want to change the mac
[16:55] <llutz> tekteen: but make it permanent
[16:55] <tekteen> llutz: just tell linux the mac address of the card
[16:55] <khumba-y0> hi
[16:55] <tekteen> llutz: windows can read the mac but linux cant
[16:56] <itsjustme> well.  Unfortunetly, I didn't check to see that linux plays nicely with my Toshiba satallite a205 before buying it and now I have no sound and web video...
[16:56] <tekteen> I just want to tell linux (through the interface file) what the real mac is
[16:56] <itsjustme> unless I use the windozzz
[16:56] <llutz> tekteen: i c
[16:57] <itsjustme> it there such thing as a social website for local areas??  i am new to linux and used to use yahoo chat and they had a channels list
[16:58] <Kohlrabi> maybe run yahoo chat natively or in wine
[16:58] <tekteen> itsjustme: you can go into yahoo chat in linux
[16:58] <tekteen> itsjustme: I use pidgin for going into yahoo chats
[16:59] <itsjustme> ya... but I wass looking for a  more active sight with People in it not just sex bots
[17:00] <itsjustme> thats a lot of yahoo chat.. Mainly sex bots and crap
[17:00] <tekteen> itsjustme: pidgin can go into yahoo chats
[17:00] <tekteen> pidgin=linux im client
[17:01] <llutz> ^^ not only linux
[17:01] <tekteen> true
[17:01] <tekteen> I have it on windows too
[17:01] <fannagoganna> well, there's also kopete
[17:01] <fannagoganna> for Linux that is
[17:01] <fannagoganna> better webcam support ;)
[17:02]  * tekteen knows nothing about kopete
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> itsjustme: heh... this channel is pretty good :D
[17:04] <khumba-y0> ^^
[17:04] <khumba-y0> ^_^
[17:04] <itsjustme> where is everyone from\
[17:04] <itsjustme> chicago south here
[17:04]  * khumba-y0 <-- from germany
[17:04] <llutz> germany/north :)
[17:04] <itsjustme> lol
[17:04]  * tekteen is from New York (not the city)
[17:05] <Kohlrabi> germany/north
[17:05] <itsjustme> Hilary girl ha?
[17:05] <Tm_T> hey
[17:05] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[17:05] <Kohlrabi> sorry :S
[17:05] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[17:05] <llutz> sry Tm_T
[17:05] <Tm_T> !ohmy
[17:05] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:05] <Tm_T> just to remind you
[17:05] <Tm_T> also
[17:05] <Tm_T> !guidelines
[17:05] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:06] <khumba-y0> ok, we all volunteerly named our places :D
[17:07] <itsjustme> well as stated earlier, I have a Toshiba satallite a205-s4707 with no sound or web video... Is there a driver out there that I can get to fix this??
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | itsjustme
[17:07] <ubotu> itsjustme: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[17:07] <Kohlrabi> What IS a Toshiba satellite? :)
[17:08] <tekteen> Kohlrabi: laptop
[17:08] <Kohlrabi> k
[17:08] <khumba-y0> its a laptop / notebook
[17:08] <itsjustme> yes,, laptop.. Not sure what it uses as hardware
[17:08] <Kohlrabi> itsjustme: a safe bet is checking google for your model and the word, "ubuntu" or "linux" :)
[17:09] <itsjustme> alsa and oss capable but dont see oss in the sound editor just alsa
[17:09] <itsjustme> ill try it  t hx
[17:10] <sigma> stdin: how is kde 4 rc2 compared to rc1?
[17:10] <stdin> sigma: much better
[17:11] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, oss is there ,sytem settings/sound system/Hardware/Open Sound System
[17:12] <sigma> perhaps i should give it a go.
[17:12] <sigma> stdin: is it stable enough for daily use?
[17:13] <stdin> sigma: it's mostly stable, depends on who you are to if it's stable enough
[17:13]  * nosrednaekim uses RC1 for daily use
[17:15] <khumba-y0> bye
[17:17] <sigma> nosrednaekim: how do u manage that, im starting to think that opensuse live kde4 cd i downloaded was seriously tainted
[17:17] <sigma> because it was hopeless
[17:17] <fannagoganna> my experience too
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> sigma: its not too bad, just the panel.
[17:17] <fannagoganna> who knows, by 2010 KDE 4 should be as stable as KDE 3.5 ;)
[17:18] <fannagoganna> at which point trolltech will move to Qt 5 :)
[17:18] <sigma> nosrednaekim: yeah the panel still requires a bit of work, looks like they left it till the end
[17:19] <sigma> stdin: i use a webserver and the office apps alot, and mp3 / video sometimes think it will work ok for me? or maybe i should just wait for the final release
[17:20] <fannagoganna> wait for final release, KDE 3.5.x is about as stable and good a desktop environment as exists in Linux
[17:20] <stdin> you can still use kde3 apps in kde4 if they aren't doing what you want
[17:20] <fannagoganna> although Qt4 is easier to program in than Qt3
[17:21] <jussi01> stdin: how are the kde4 rc2 gutsy backports going? any idea when they will hit?
[17:22] <itsjustme> BluesKja  I went to settings and saw the open and clicked apply and it went 100%   then to yahoo music and " sorry, the sample is unable to be played " to test it
[17:22] <stdin> jussio1: some are there now, but there were some problems with hardy builds (like hal breaking) that slowed it down
[17:22] <jussi01> stdin: ahh, ok
[17:23] <sigma> what is to be expected in the next test release of hardy?
[17:23] <sigma> i saw the first one didnt change much on the outside
[17:23] <marlin> gutsy sucks...:(
[17:23] <sigma> marlin: what did it do to u?
[17:24] <itsjustme> BluesKaj   went to amarok and tried to play a music radio stream and got  Error loading Media  no suitable demux plugin. This often means the file format is not supported...  Is there a way to support it???
[17:25] <jussi01> hmmm, it wants to replace my: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file... do i let it? what does this file contain?
[17:25] <stdin> have a look at the diff
[17:26] <jussi01> stdin: the diff is _huge_ ...
[17:26] <stdin> jussi01: have you edited the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file before?
[17:26] <jussi01> stdin: I dont know... possibly. could you remind me what is likely to be in it?
[17:27] <stdin> jussi01: the settings for KDM
[17:27] <sigma> did you guys read that kde4 developer blog saying that it uses less memory than kde3.5? yippee, i was waiting for that
[17:27] <jussi01> stdin: is it likely the settings I hae changed in gui's have changed the file?
[17:28] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: Which one? If it's the one I think it is, the results were inaccurate,
[17:28] <jussi01> stdin: I dont beleive i have manually edited it
[17:28] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, using music streams on amarok works most of the time if you have the libxine1-ffmpeg codec installed , and it also takes sone patience . Sometimes the strema take up to 20 secs to load and they usually despite that demux plugin error message . I've learned to ignore the message and wait for a bit and try again.
[17:28] <fannagoganna> for mp3 streams, amarok seems to work fine
[17:28] <stdin> jussi01: if you've changed KDM's settings (and want to keep them) then keep what you have now
[17:29] <jussi01> stdin: thank you :D
[17:29] <sigma> SSJ_GZ:yeah its prob that one, some guy left a comment saying that he thought they were inaccurate
[17:29] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3138?
[17:30] <sigma> yup was that one
[17:30] <itsjustme> BluesKaj   Cool but it has been playing for quit a while now in the eq.. and still no sound from the sys.  No speaker in the taskbar either
[17:30] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: If so, Lubos and Thiago are not just "some guy"s ;)
[17:30] <sigma> SSJ_GZ: lol who are they?
[17:31] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: Lubos is the kwin maintainer, and also the guy who wrote *the* study about desktop memory usage.
[17:31] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: Thiago works for Trolltech and is an all-round Clever Guy ;)
[17:32] <user_> hey all.  got a weird problem.  On fresh install of Gutsy, everything works great, except: On boot, grub loads, and says "starting up".  Instead of seeing the "Kubuntu" splash screen, showing load progress, it's just a black screen.  For like 4 minutes.  Then, I can login as normal.  But why is it doing this?
[17:33] <user_> also, if i do a ctrl+alt+f1, it boots quickly, and recovery mode also boots at normal speed (pretty quickly).  Just not a regular boot
[17:33] <johnficca> what is the password and login for the kde 4 rc2 live cd?
[17:33] <Repsa_Jih> I don't think it has a password...
[17:33] <stdin> johnficca: there isn't one, user is "ubuntu" though
[17:34] <Dr_willis> user_,  sounds like the framebuffer is not liking your system. You can disable the framebuffer support for all your boot entries if you like.
[17:34] <sigma> SSJ_GZ: ah i see, big boys in the kde project
[17:34] <johnficca> cuz I have to change my driver for my card in the xorg.conf file then logout for the change to happen.
[17:35] <user_> dr_willis: i noticed my HDD going crazy during this process - so you think that's what it is?  How do i disable frame buffer?
[17:35] <Dr_willis> user_,  not sure why that would be faster however.  They should be booting at about the same speed.  It may just seem slower :)
[17:35] <Dr_willis> !framebuffer
[17:35] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[17:35] <user_> thx
[17:35] <Dr_willis> lets see. in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file the line -------->
[17:35] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, in the terminal type: cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:35] <sigma> is there a command i can run to free up memory?
[17:36] <Dr_willis> user_,  # defoptions=quiet nosplash nofb
[17:36] <itsjustme> BluesKaj       Loaded up the lib codec and the eq is still dancing but the speakers are still sleepin... Checking cat now
[17:36] <Repsa_Jih> sigme: what kind of memory?
[17:36] <Dr_willis> will disable the framebuffer for all menu entries. after you change that file use 'update-grub' to make the changes to the grub menu.
[17:36] <marlin> sigma: cpu 100 bugs problems with compiz... what else do you want to know!!?
[17:37] <user_> dr_willis: i should comment it out?
[17:37] <user_> dr_willis: my line is currently " defoptions=quiet splash "
[17:37] <itsjustme> BluesKaj   m    HDA-Intel  -  HDA Intel                         HDA Intel  at 0xf0b40000 irq 21
[17:37] <Dr_willis> it MUST be commented with the first #
[17:38] <Dr_willis> user_,  add the nofb option to the end
[17:38] <user_> dr_willis: ok will do
[17:38] <Dr_willis> user_,  menu.lst is very weird in how its a config file for grub. and for the update-grub command. :) update-grub actually does read the commented lines. (with 1 #, but not with 2 ##)
[17:38] <sigma> marlin: don't use compiz perhaps? dont u think theres a reason it was left out of kubuntu
[17:39] <sigma> marlin: kwin has a composite function thats being developed in kde4 - compiz-like stuuf
[17:39] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, ok, in the terminal type: sudo asoundconf set-default-card "HDA-Intel"
[17:41] <itsjustme> all it said was Please note that you are attempting to run asoundconf as a privileged superuser, which may have inintended consequences...   But did it do anything???
[17:42] <rwarner> quick question .... what happend to stdio.h?
[17:43] <stdin> rwarner: I don't know, what happened to it?
[17:43] <jussi01> hmmm... where does one report bugs in kde4 rc2?
[17:43] <rwarner> i can't find it to build my app
[17:43]  * genii waits for the punchline
[17:43] <sigma> just out of interest, when connecting kubuntu to a dsl line how does it work? does it work automatically when u put the lan cable in?
[17:43] <stdin> jussi01: to the kde4 devs :)
[17:43] <rwarner> no pucnhline ... :)
[17:44] <stdin> rwarner: have you installed build-essential ?
[17:44] <jussi01> stdin: ok, but in LP? or is there a bug site?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> itsjustme,k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[17:44] <rwarner> i'll check thanks
[17:44] <stdin> jussi01: bugs.kde.org
[17:44] <jussi01> stdin: hehe... should have known...
[17:45] <itsjustme> Anything else to do???  Still no sound
[17:45] <jussi01> !intelhda | itsjustme
[17:45] <ubotu> itsjustme: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:45] <rwarner> that was the trick .. ty much
[17:45] <itsjustme> or speaker on the taskbar
[17:46] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, look in the kmenu /Multimedia for kmix
[17:47] <itsjustme> ok,,,,, Im there but what am I looking for???
[17:48] <BluesKaj> kmix
[17:48] <Repsa_Jih> simple put everything at max
[17:48] <itsjustme> the HDA intel is on the bottom
[17:49] <itsjustme> Master  PCM  Digital are the three things there... How do I put a volume icon on the taskbar
[17:50] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, reboot
[17:50] <sfilleul> Hi
[17:50] <itsjustme> ok Ill try it...
[17:50] <itsjustme> rebooting laptop now
[17:51] <sfi> How is possible that firefox looks different when I start it from the kde menu and when it's started by the command line.
[17:52] <itsjustme> well,,  There is the volume icon on the taskbar....  A good sign
[17:54] <itsjustme> Amarok      Radio stream    Eq  dancin   speakers still sleepin
[17:54] <BluesKaj> yes, now open the terminal and type alsamixer , then unmute the ctrls with the M key and set them at 70% or so . Unmuted ctls have "00" in the box
[17:55] <xaka> hi2all! I have dir truetype in /usr/share/fonts, but in /var/log/xorg.log i don't see using this folder (/usr/share/fonts/truetype) - that is ok?
[17:56] <TimS> Anyone reccomed a good todo list program and/or a calendar program? One that does both would be great
[17:56] <itsjustme> alsamixer        function and_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[17:56] <TimS> !todo
[17:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about todo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:56] <TimS> !callendar
[17:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about callendar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:57] <TimS> My spelling sucks
[17:57] <itsjustme> kontact Personal information Manager
[17:57] <Dr_willis> !info kontact
[17:57] <ubotu> kontact: KDE pim application. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7enterprise20070926-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1640 kB, installed size 3540 kB
[18:00] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, did you choose the Linux Sound Architecture in soundsystem ?
[18:00] <itsjustme> Yes advanced
[18:01] <wftl> I'm sure that by now this is an FAQ, but installing RC2 packages, I get . . . trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin
[18:01] <wftl> Can't back out, or go forward.
[18:01] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, perhaps your intel driver neds configging...sorry but i have to run some errands
[18:01] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:02] <itsjustme> ok,  well thanks for trying this has been a tough one for me
[18:12] <michele> Sera a tutti....ho problemi con il flash...in quanto non mi fa usare bene un sito....qualcuno ha dritte?
[18:13] <trappist> !it
[18:13] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:14] <michele> ok sorry
[18:14] <XceII> deuryte
[18:15] <michele> Hello everybody... i have problem whit flash player...because i can not open a link in a website (seafight)...someone has any suggestion?
[18:17] <Dragonath> michele: you can view other flash sites like youtube.com?
[18:17] <michele> yes
[18:18] <acerr> hi.  i just installed Kubuntu 7.1.   i have a pentium dual core.  do i have to do anything special for the kernel to be optimized for that?
[18:19] <Dragonath> michele: can you post the url of the page where you can't open a link?
[18:19] <Dragonath> I'll see if it works with me
[18:19] <sigma> acerr: did u install the 64bit version?
[18:20] <waylandbill> acerr: you could make a kernel tailored specifically for it, but the generic kernel should do just fine. Virtual machines will be able to use kvm and such if that's what you are looking for.
[18:20] <acerr> sigma: no.  dual core is 64 bit?
[18:21] <michele> i have this error message: The filo or the folder tar:/tmp/kde-user/pluginjlu8za.tar.gz/install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt doesn't exist
[18:22] <kop> when do you get that error?
[18:22] <michele> when i open the flash site and it asks me to install the flash player ( i have just installed kubuntu)
[18:23] <waylandbill> !flash
[18:23] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[18:23] <kop> did you dowloaded it from the page?
[18:23] <michele> no...
[18:23] <waylandbill> michele: install flashplugin-nonfree
[18:23] <kop> go to the avobe link
[18:24] <michele> i used the steps that appeared in konqueror
[18:25] <sigma> anyone know where i can find a good 1 page in depth description of kubuntu?
[18:25] <sigma> michele: try firefox
[18:26] <waylandbill> sigma: probably somewhere on kubuntu.org. In reality, it's basically ubuntu with a kde desktop.
[18:26] <kop> exactly
[18:27] <michele> i tried it...with ubuntu....but it didn't work
[18:27] <waylandbill> michele: I just tried installing that package and it seems to have an md5sum checksum error. hmm.
[18:27] <sigma> waylandbill: and one huge load of different programs
[18:28] <waylandbill> sigma: that's because it replaces GTK+ ones with QT/KDE ones.
[18:28] <kop> download the flash player installer from the page
[18:29] <waylandbill> yeah. kop's right. installing from adobe's site should work fine.
[18:29] <kop> what browser are you using
[18:29] <michele> konqueror
[18:29] <kop> if you use firefox it's easy
[18:29] <kop> oh
[18:30] <michele> i had the some problem with firefox
[18:31] <waylandbill> hmm. firefox usually uses the plugin finder.
[18:31] <kop> have you tested doing: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[18:33] <michele> with ubuntu i used firefox...it installed the flashplugin-nonfree... but that site didn't work fine...
[18:33] <michele> with windows it works fine....even with mac.... now i don't know if it is an ubuntu flash problem
[18:34] <jussi01> !flashproblem | michele
[18:34] <trappist> michele: are you using a 64bit system?
[18:34] <leomcabral> is it possible to install kubuntu 7.10 over a previusly 7.04 installation using the live cd of 7.10?
[18:34] <michele> no 32bit
[18:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashproblem - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:34] <jussi01> hmmm
[18:34] <kop> have you used opera
[18:35] <kop> ?
[18:35] <jussi01> michele: flash is currently broken - it will be fixed soon
[18:35] <trappist> leomcabral: yes, you can "install over it", but it will wipe everything out.  if you want to upgrade, I think it's the update manager you want to use.
[18:35] <lingard> is anyone good with wine?
[18:36] <jussi01> !flashissues | michele
[18:36] <ubotu> michele: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. A fix is on its way
[18:36] <Tm_T> lingard: cannibalism isn't endorsed
[18:36] <michele> ah ok.... so there isn't any other solution?
[18:36] <lingard> lol
[18:36] <michele> just wait
[18:36] <trappist> lingard: lots of people are, but you may have better luck asking your question than asking for volunteers to solve a problem when we don't know what the problem is
[18:36] <jussi01> michele: only wait
[18:36] <leomcabral> trappist: but I can upgrade using the live cd? The computer have no internet connection
[18:36] <michele> ok
[18:36] <michele> thanks
[18:36] <jussi01> michele: np's
[18:36] <jussi01> :D
[18:36] <kop> lingard : what are you trying to do?
[18:36] <trappist> leomcabral: I don't know if it has that feature.  I don't think so.
[18:36] <Tm_T> trappist: well said, thanks :)
[18:37] <lingard> ok, i've mounted my ntfs windows disk, when i try to open the programs it just says loading then goes
[18:37] <lingard> is it even possible to run windows apps like this?
[18:37] <leomcabral> trappist: thank you for your help
[18:37] <Dr_willis_> lingard,  ive found it best to reinstall the apps with wine
[18:38] <GrahamA> with a UK keyboard, how do I type the euro sybol on the 4 key?
[18:38] <Dr_willis_> lingard,  that way they install to your .wine dir
[18:38] <lingard> i try to install something and it doesn't do anything either
[18:38] <Dr_willis_> it all depends on the windows program to a very very large extent.
[18:38] <lingard> i've tried ms office 2007 and it doesn't do anything
[18:39] <Dr_willis_> Gee thats a good test program.. :) NOT.. :)
[18:39] <lingard> also civ5, the installer comes up but it won't let me install directx9
[18:39] <Dr_willis_> try something simile like winrar perhaps?
[18:39] <jussi01> msoffice 2007 does not work with wine
[18:39] <kiiz> hi.how do i get a cdma fix wireless terminal to work  with kubuntu
[18:39] <kop> don't install directx 9
[18:39] <Dr_willis_> Games can be very much a hit/miss thing with wine.
[18:39] <waylandbill> lingard: if you want dx9c, then you have a wait. :)
[18:39] <lingard> :(
[18:40] <kop> it comes integrated at least in wine 0.9.50
[18:40] <Dr_willis_> If you Must have openoffice. You may want to check into using xp inside a vmware or virtualbox session.
[18:40] <waylandbill> as far as ms office 2k7, I'm sure open office will do as a replacement once you check it out.
[18:40] <Dr_willis_> Unless of course you are in the few % that use all these weird office fetures. :)
[18:41] <trappist> lingard: office2k7 isn't going to work with wine just yet
[18:41] <trappist> I don't even think it's supported yet in commercial versions like crossover office
[18:41] <lingard> i like to sync with a WMdevice
[18:42] <waylandbill> I'm sure those % of people that use the odd features wouldn't be jumping the MS bandwagon since they probably use odd windows features too. ;-)
[18:42] <lingard> winrar does seem to be installing
[18:43] <Dr_willis_> lingard,  ive used winrar with no hassles (w3ll a few trivial quirks) under wine. :)
[18:43] <Dr_willis_> so it shows that wine can work at least.
[18:44] <lingard> so it'll work for pretty much anything that would run under anything less than xp?
[18:44] <kop> lingard: do you hace last version of wine
[18:44] <lingard> i've only just installed it so i'd guess so
[18:44] <Dr_willis_> wine is quite impressive in that it does work as well as it does. :)
[18:45] <Dr_willis_> The wine in the repos for ubuntu is a little bit out of date.
[18:45] <Dr_willis_> theres a repo that has the lastest wine versions in it. I belive.
[18:45] <lingard> 0.9.46
[18:45] <kop> thats old
[18:45] <Dr_willis_> !easysource
[18:45] <kop> download the newest one on eine page
[18:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[18:45] <kop> it is 0.9.50
[18:45] <trappist> lingard: not exactly, no.  wine will work for most apps that don't use API calls that haven't been implemented in wine.
[18:46] <waylandbill> wine's page has instructions for adding their repo.
[18:46] <Dr_willis_> # Upstream Wine    deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt feisty main     Or so the easysource page says. :)
[18:46] <Dr_willis_> but its proberly best to read the wine pages docs.
[18:47] <kop> yes whith the new version I could play portal! (the mod of half life 2) and no t whith cedeag 6
[18:47] <kop> it is very good
[18:47] <Dr_willis_> The Cake is a Lie!
[18:47] <Dr_willis_> :P
[18:48] <kop> no it is not a lie
[18:48] <kop> i hace it XD
[18:48] <Dr_willis_> I got Carrot Cake.
[18:48] <Dr_willis_> :)
[18:48] <kiiz> is running kubuntu in a vm under windows a bad idea, windows beig a fualt foundation
[18:48] <kop> i got it in the menu
[18:48] <Dr_willis_> kiiz,  its a good way to test out linux and use it. if thats all yu can do.
[18:48] <Dr_willis_> kiiz,  it will be a bit slower then a real install..but very useable.
[18:50] <lingard> when i paste wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add into a terminal windows it says no such directory
[18:50] <lingard> am i doing it right?
[18:50] <stdin> lingard: "wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - "
[18:50] <huXfluX> does apt-get purge package uninstalls the package's deps aswell?
[18:50] <kiiz> Dr_willis_: my problem is that i cant get my internt connection to work in kubuntu.i am thinkg it might work under a vm
[18:50] <Dr_willis_> seesm like they got a extra quote some how
[18:52] <Dr_willis_> kiiz,  and whats your internet connecton then?
[18:52] <Dr_willis_> hmm that wget command aint working right for me either.
[18:52] <Dr_willis_>  wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg gets the key.
[18:52] <Dr_willis_> cat 387EE263.gpg | sudo apt-key add -   aint working either
[18:53] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-key add 387EE263.gpg
[18:53] <Dr_willis_> did :)
[18:54] <stdin> "gpg --recv-keys  387EE263 ; gpg --export -a  387EE263 | sudo apt-key add -" should work too
[18:54] <Dr_willis_>  wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg && sudo apt-key add 387EE263.gpg
[18:54] <Dr_willis_> Yea. not sure what the deal is.
[18:56] <itsjustme> how to delete a foler
[18:56] <itsjustme> folder
[18:56] <nareshov> rm -f folder/
[18:57] <itsjustme> thx
[18:57] <nareshov> -r (NOT f)
[18:57] <kiiz> Dr_willis_: its thru a cdma FWT.
[18:59] <murchadh> I saved a profile in konqueror, screen split in four with samba, swat, joomla and igoogle open. Now I can't get rid of igoogle from the profile. If I open phpadmin (or any other page) and save the profile, close konqueror, and restart it, igoogle is still there. Any ideas why?
[19:00] <lingard> is it possible to install IE on kubuntu?
[19:00] <Dragonath> lingard: might be through wine, there is also a IEtab addon for firefox, but I am unsure whether you can install it on linux
[19:00] <trappist> lingard: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[19:00] <waylandbill> lingard: yes.
[19:02] <kiiz> is there a way to download packages and their dependencies at a go on a windows box
[19:04] <lingard> what does  Uncomment (or add) following lines: mean?
[19:04] <lingard> do i get rid of them?
[19:05] <Dr_willis_> bye allll
[19:05] <waylandbill> lingard: remove the comment character (such as #) that is at the beginning of the line
[19:06] <lingard> and add it if there isn't one?
[19:06] <kalorin> I'd jsut run a vmware instance on linux if you have to have a windows app
[19:06] <kalorin> games not so much
[19:07] <lingard> i downloaded it
[19:07] <waylandbill> lingard: it probably means add the line if it doesn't exist
[19:07] <lingard> i have no idea how to install it though
[19:07] <kalorin> vmware?
[19:07] <kalorin> it's fairly simple
[19:07] <Dragonath> vmware only works with them new dual core cpus, yes?
[19:07] <lingard> yeah
[19:08] <kalorin> dragonath, no it works with single core stuff
[19:08] <lingard> wait, no idea to the last Q
[19:08] <jussi01> Dragonath: no, it works with most cpus
[19:08] <Dragonath> on acceptable speeds?
[19:08] <huXfluX> over the time, the answer to the question 'what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude?' was 'aptitude handles packages and their dependencies better'. Has that changed lately ?
[19:08] <jussi01> I have it working fine on my amd 2800+
[19:08] <kalorin> i ran it on my athlon x64 3200+, an opteron 180 and now my E6750 box
[19:08] <kalorin> all works great
[19:08] <kalorin> and my E6600 workstation at work
[19:08] <jussi01> Dragonath: its more about your ram...
[19:08] <Dragonath> ok
[19:08] <kalorin> 2gb of ram is more than enough for windows and linux
[19:08] <jussi01> Dragonath: id reccomend at least a gig
[19:09] <jussi01> minimum
[19:09] <kalorin> I give windows about 768meg and that's pleanty
[19:09] <Dragonath> will have to upgrade a bit then, thanks
[19:09] <kalorin> ram's way cheap though
[19:10] <misticwarrior> hey
[19:10] <misticwarrior> what's up ?
[19:10] <misticwarrior> I've got a question : How to know wich output plugin I use ? (such as alsa or oss...)
[19:11] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: it's not that simple, different programs use different output plugins
[19:11] <Dragonath> at least that's what I have come to believe
[19:12] <Dragonath> it should be somehwere in a program's preferences or settings
[19:12] <Dragonath> checking out documentation might help
[19:12] <Dragonath> docs for the programs you're wondering about, that is
[19:12] <Bilbo> Anyone know how to restore KDE?  When I startup it goes to (initrmfs) and not KDE.
[19:13] <Bilbo> I am running the Live DVD right now.
[19:13] <Bilbo> What is (initrmfs)?
[19:13] <Dragonath> !initrmfs
[19:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initrmfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:13] <nareshov> !initramfs
[19:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initramfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:13] <nareshov> :O
[19:14] <Bilbo> I need to find a way to get KDE back.
[19:14] <Bilbo> Is there a way to re-install Linux and not loose my current Linux setup?
[19:14] <Dragonath> Bilbo: when it is finished booting, do you see a console login?
[19:14] <jussi01> Bilbo: is it just going to the command line?
[19:14] <Dragonath> you may be able to log in from there and start KDE manually
[19:14] <jussi01> Bilbo: what did you do to cause this?
[19:14] <Bilbo> No.  Just goes to (initrmfs) prompt.
[19:14] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: in fact I want to use mpd. Amarok works fine. But with mpd, I use the client mpc. When I do (after configurations) "mpc play", it says it plays something, but I have no sound. The card is known, cause if I change the name (hw0,1) the play doesn't begin. I configured it using Alsa, but I don't know if Amarok uses alsa...
[19:15] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: In fact I just want to have sound with mpd/mpc......
[19:15] <Bilbo> I went to install XP and messed up, swapped drives, installed XP, then I was told to swap back.
[19:15] <jussi01> misticwarrior: yu can see which engine amarok uses in the settings -> configure amarok -> engine
[19:15] <Bilbo> Now I am trying to get Linux and XP both working.
[19:15] <kiiz> are the dependencies listed for a package the only ones need. or do i have ot get dependencies of a package dependencies
[19:16] <Bilbo> Linux is on a 160GB HD and XP is on a 20GB.
[19:16] <jussi01> Bilbo: my opinion would be to go to windows, copy out your valuable files and reinstall linux - it sounds like you have done some weird stuff
[19:16] <jussi01> but it depends exactly on what you did....
[19:16] <nareshov> kiiz: dependancies are mostly automatically handled
[19:17] <Bilbo> Can I re-install Linux without loosing my current Linux setup and files?
[19:17] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: if you go settings->configure amarok->engine and select alsa as output plugin, do you get sound from mpd then?
[19:17] <jussi01> Bilbo: not really. you need to fix your current install.
[19:17] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: amarok use "xine engine" and "autodetect" instead of alsa...
[19:18] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: try selecting alsa from there
[19:18] <misticwarrior> k wait
[19:18] <Bilbo> I wish I knew how to restore KDE.
[19:18] <Dragonath> if mpd then doesn't give out sound, you might want to check it's settings too
[19:19] <kiiz> nareshov: i can't get my internet conection to work with kubuntu.i am thinking of downloading packages manually on windows
[19:19] <jussi01> Bilbo:exactly what sort of prompt does it give you - i mean, what does it say?
[19:19] <Bilbo> (initrmfs)
[19:19] <Bilbo> It says type help for list of commands.
[19:20] <angasule> WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!  <-- I didn't install any extra repos, why am I getting this? when trying to install qgis
[19:20] <jussi01> Bilbo: and what does help output?
[19:20] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: nothing changes for amarok, neither for mdp. Amarok works, but not mpd... :P
[19:20] <nareshov> kiiz: try aptitude install yourpackage and see what else it requires as run-time dependencies and download them all individually
[19:20] <Bilbo> Just a bunch of words one after another in a good size block.
[19:21] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: have you checked the settings for mpd?
[19:21] <TimS> !ftp
[19:21] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[19:22] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: everything was configured manually following a tutorial
[19:22] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: and I chosed alsa...
[19:22] <misticwarrior> instead of oss
[19:22] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: if you don't find anything in mpd's settings, you might want to try installing the alsa-oss package
[19:22] <Dragonath> ok
[19:23] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: but will it change something with amarok etc. ?
[19:23] <Dragonath> then tryi installing the package, and start mpd through alsa-oss (command would go aoss mpd [arguments])
[19:23] <Dragonath> no
[19:23] <misticwarrior> aoss mpd. k I try... :P
[19:23] <Dragonath> aoss will start mpd in an alsa wrapper, it shouldn't try to grab all the output all to itself
[19:24] <Dragonath> I had the same issue with watching movies from mplayer when amarok was playing, starting mplayer with aoss fixed it
[19:24] <jussi01> Bilbo: what did it say when you started before that?
[19:24] <TimS> !ftpclient
[19:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftpclient - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:24] <zorglu_> q. using kopete, i frequently got popup saying "The user blablbla is is currently not signed in. Messages will not be delivered." but i never sent any msg to this user. is there a way to disable this popup ?
[19:24] <misticwarrior> ok nothing changed... should I let amarok with alsa ? I haven't just now
[19:24] <Bilbo> It was working fine before I started to install XP.
[19:24] <jussi01> TimS: what are you looking for?
[19:25] <TimS> An alternative to FileZilla
[19:25] <MetaMorfoziS> WHo knows what is rafting?
[19:25] <jussi01> TimS: all of those mentioned in !ftp would be options...
[19:25] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: ok, nothing changes, I have no sound...
[19:26] <TimS> Yeah, im gonna try Kasablanca
[19:26] <sigma> why is there no decent description of kubuntu online?
[19:26] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: but I can see it's playing a song...
[19:26] <jussi01> TimS: I use kftpgrabber
[19:26] <TimS> Ill take a look at that too
[19:26] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: and the volume is up enough that you should hear it? (I know it's a silly question)
[19:27] <Dragonath> I am out of ideas to be honest :)
[19:27] <kiiz> is 3d acceleration possible under a virtual box vm
[19:27] <stdin> kiiz: no
[19:28] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: volume : 100%...
[19:29] <Dragonath> then I have nothing else to suggest
[19:29] <misticwarrior> :(
[19:29] <Dragonath> sorry
[19:29] <misticwarrior> no problem...
[19:29] <Dragonath> if you start mpd from the terminal, does it give you any errors btw?
[19:30] <noobuntu> could anyone tell me what im doing wrong with bash redirection? http://www.pastebin.ca/813735
[19:30] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: no... everything works fine... I just have no sound
[19:31] <jpatrick> noobuntu: errors get sent to stdout anyway
[19:31] <stdin> noobuntu: make uses more FDs than std{out,in,err}, use "&> pcsx2builderrors.txt" to grab it all
[19:32] <jpatrick> stdin: oh, thanks for that
[19:32] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: I don't know what else to try, but perhaps there's some irc channels for mpd where you can find out more
[19:33] <kiiz> do i need samba to enable kubuntu access the web thru a windows box
[19:33] <stdin> kiiz: no, samba is only for windows file sharing
[19:34] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: how to find an irc chan ? Is there a search option ?
[19:34] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: forget it :P
[19:34] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: /list gets you the channel list and you can search from there
[19:35] <misticwarrior> thx :)
[19:35] <misticwarrior> I tried mpd... and there is something :d
[19:35] <Dragonath> ok, no worries
[19:35] <stdin> /cs list #*mpd*    is another way
[19:37] <frinuxfr> hi
[19:37] <vicky> hi
[19:37] <PsySine> the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php don't work for me... i can't see a trace of kde4
[19:37] <frinuxfr> is there a gui to add a new service (I installed GCALdaemon in command line, and I want it to start automatically on startup) ?
[19:37] <jpatrick> PsySine: do you have backports enabled?
[19:38] <PsySine> jpatrick: yes
[19:38] <jpatrick> odd
[19:38] <kiiz> i have a kubuntu box with NIC and a windows box with a internet connection(cdma FWT).how do i make kubuntu use in the internet connection o the windows box
[19:38] <stdin> PsySine: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[19:38] <PsySine> stdin: gutsy
[19:39] <ubuntu> c'e' qualche italiano????
[19:39] <stdin> PsySine: you added the ppa repository ?
[19:39] <stdin> !it | ubuntu
[19:39] <ubotu> ubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:39] <PsySine> stdin: yes
[19:39] <stdin> PsySine: and then ran an update?
[19:39] <vicky> kasiser
[19:40] <nbogdanoff> any idea why the following command returns "sed: -e expression #1, char 11: unterminated `s' command"  ---> sed "s/room/`cat list`/" script
[19:40] <PsySine> stdin: oops i think I forgot the update, i'll try again :)
[19:40] <The_Machine> when i play .wav files with Amarok, they're all loud and scratchy
[19:40] <The_Machine> but if i play them with something else they're fine
[19:40] <The_Machine> any thoughts?
[19:40] <The_Machine> (play them w/ audacity, etc. they're fine)
[19:41] <stdin> PsySine: make sure you update and then install the updated kdebase-bin before trying to install kde4
[19:42] <PsySine> stdin: ok, thanks
[19:42] <vicky> nbogdanoff
[19:42] <nbogdanoff> yessum
[19:43] <vicky> u need to give the substitute string -- sed s/<str1>/<str2>/
[19:44] <vicky> s1icknick
[19:44] <s1icknick> i dont think sed will do what i want, then
[19:44] <s1icknick> i want the words from list, to replace only o
[19:44] <s1icknick> or i have to rewrite this
[19:45] <s1icknick> now im ocnfused
[19:51] <spitfire> hi ppl, im new to this kubuntu stuff, and im facing a problem
[19:52] <spitfire> the thing is, im trying to login my MSN account
[19:52] <spitfire> when it enters, i get no contacts
[19:52] <spitfire> and short while after the whole thing closes
[19:52] <spitfire> and gives me an error message
[19:52] <spitfire> plz help
[19:52] <Dragonath> what program are you using for msn?
[19:52] <spitfire> kopete
[19:52] <Dragonath> and what error message?
[19:52] <jussi01> spitfire: which program are you using and what is the error?
[19:53] <jussi01> hehe
[19:53] <spitfire> one sec
[19:54] <s1icknick> maybe this is a better way of explaining what im trying to do... i have this sentence: "you have to setup: room"  i have a list of rooms in file: "list".  taking that same setence and replaceing all the 'room's from the output "list"
[19:55] <spitfire> ok im trying to provoke the error but its not comming up
[19:55] <spitfire> but my contacts are no where to be seen
[19:55] <spitfire> thats the main thing that pisses me off :D
[19:55] <jussi01> spitfire: do remember roughly what it says?
[19:55] <jussi01> !language
[19:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[19:56] <spitfire> erm it was kinda like ...  the application your running faced some errors in something ...
[19:56] <jussi01> spitfire: ok. do you know if there actually any of your contacts online?
[19:56] <spitfire> no, because non of then are showing
[19:57] <spitfire> its just a blank contact screen
[19:57] <spitfire> and i yes i have friends :P
[19:57] <jussi01> if there are noe, you probably need to show offline contacts from the settings menu
[19:57] <jussi01> none*
[19:57] <spitfire> aha HERES THE ERROR
[19:58] <spitfire> which part do you need?
[19:58] <Dragonath> did the error say that kopete has trouble identifying with the switchboard server?
[19:58] <spitfire> heres what it says
[19:58] <_athos_> how can I change the calendar format? I want that the week starts on Sunday instead of Monday.
[19:58] <jussi01> _athos_: in which program?
[19:59] <spitfire> the application kopete crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[20:00] <spitfire> and also it says "an application mostly recieves the SIGSEGV signal due to a bug in the application
[20:00] <_athos_> the comand CAL in the bash.
[20:00] <spitfire> is anyone still with me?
[20:01] <_athos_> jussi01: the comand CAL in the bash.
[20:01] <spitfire> ? are you talking to me?
[20:01] <jussi01> _athos_: hmmm, not sure about that one
[20:01] <jussi01> spitfire: wait a moment
[20:01] <spitfire> ok thanks
[20:01] <ubuntu> sera ke pueda aprender ingles aki'@
[20:02] <jussi01> ubuntu: english only please
[20:02] <phantomon> sorry, i don't speak english =(
[20:02] <jussi01> phantomon: which language?
[20:02] <ardchoille> Yes you do ;)
[20:02] <ubuntu> italiano
[20:02] <phantomon> Spanish
[20:03] <ardchoille> !es
[20:03] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:03] <jussi01> !it | phantomon:
[20:03] <ubotu> phantomon:: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[20:03] <phantomon> thank you
[20:04] <sfi> How is it possible that firefox looks different whether I start it from the kde menu or when it's started by the command line ?
[20:04] <kop> do you start it being root in the console?
[20:04] <jussi01> spitfire: please try going and reinstalling kopete in adept
[20:05] <kop> if you do you have 2 configurations one for root and one for your user
[20:05] <sfi> kop: no I start it with the same user
[20:05] <ardchoille> sfi: it is very possible if you're running ff as root in command line, root and user have different configs in their $HOME
[20:06] <sfi> same user guys
[20:06] <ardchoille> Weird
[20:06] <spitfire> jussie01: ok ill try doing that now
[20:06] <spitfire> thanks
[20:06] <jussi01> !tab | spitfire
[20:06] <ubotu> spitfire: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[20:06] <kop> it is strange then
[20:07] <kop> maybe in one of them it starts in safe mode
[20:07] <jussi01> sfi: in what way is it different?
[20:07] <spitfire> jussi01: like that, thanks
[20:07] <jussi01> :D
[20:08] <sfi> jussi01: that s what I would like to know
[20:08] <kop> whats does loof different
[20:08] <kop> ?
[20:08] <spitfire> so another question, when i go to adept, and i click request reinstall, is it suppose to take long
[20:08] <jussi01> sfi: you just said it looks different - I want to know _what_ looks different
[20:08] <jussi01> spitfire: a few mins maybe
[20:08] <spitfire> k thanks
[20:09] <rlj> in the knetworkmanager applet, i find a couple of wireless networks available. some of them are wep/wpa/wpa2 and thus have a padlock icon next to them. however, i've just seen a network which has a "computer system" icon next to it, with a kubuntu logo displayed on the monitor. what does this icon mean?
[20:09] <sfi> command line firefox give me the "regular" brownish unbuntu style. Using the menu give me firefox with the ugly "basic" GTK theme.
[20:10] <jussi01> sfi: please riht click on the menu item, and put into run dialogue - then paste here what is in the rundialogue
[20:10] <jussi01> right*
[20:13] <spitfire> :S im really confused, but im gonna like kubuntu wether i like it or not :D
[20:14] <ardchoille> spitfire: That's the spirit! :)
[20:14] <grul> hahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[20:14] <kiiz> how do i get my kubuntu box to use the internet connection of a windows box
[20:14] <jussi01> spitfire: what happened?
[20:15] <jussi01> spitfire: as an alternative for now, you may want to install kmess
[20:15] <jussi01> spitfire: that will allow you to at least use msn
[20:15] <spitfire> does it have the same functions?
[20:15] <spitfire> thats all i need
[20:15] <spitfire> does it come installed already or do i have to adept it?
[20:15] <jussi01> spitfire: it is supposed to be a msn messenger clone, but does not support oter protocols
[20:15] <smcintyre> kiiz: Specifiy the windwos box as a gateway?
[20:16] <jussi01> spitfire: you need to adept it
[20:16] <diego> ciao
[20:16] <spitfire> jussi01: dude, thanx
[20:16] <jussi01> spitfire: also, which version of kubuntu are you using, and hae you updated recently?
[20:16] <spitfire> im using 7.10 now
[20:17] <jussi01> spitfire: have you updated recently?
[20:17] <diego> ho un problema con linux. qualcuno può aiutarmi?
[20:17] <spitfire> no, i installed kubuntu like 10 minutes ago
[20:17] <spitfire> :S
[20:17] <jussi01> spitfire: from the disk?
[20:18] <spitfire> yea a CD
[20:18] <jussi01> spitfire: there was a problem with the kopete on the cd - an update will fix it
[20:18] <spitfire> how can i update?
[20:18] <jussi01> spitfire: the little package in the sys tray
[20:18] <jussi01> orange one
[20:18] <sfi> jussi01: this is my run command from the menu : "firefox %u"
[20:19] <jussi01> sfi: weird...
[20:19] <kiiz> smcintyre: how is this done .both boxs have NIC.windows box uses cdma FWT for internet access
[20:19] <sfi> yes ! I really don't get it
[20:20] <SudoKing> How do you delete a folder through Konsole (root, permissions do not allow delete in the Desktop)?
[20:20] <spitfire> jussi01: i cant find the package
[20:20] <ardchoille> sfi: Find out if you have any root owned files in your $HOME: find /home/$(whoami)/ -user root
[20:21] <jussi01> spitfire: go to adept and press update
[20:21] <sfi> jussi01: it's like it's using my kde preferences, color scheme, etc, when I click on the bouton. I don't want it.
[20:21] <BluesKaj> SudoKing, sudo rm -rf /folder/where/file/was/installed
[20:21] <sfi> ardchoille: will do
[20:23] <SudoKing> BluesKaj, thanks =D
[20:23] <jussi01> spitfire: sorry, its "fetch updates"
[20:24] <BluesKaj> SudoKing, YW
[20:25] <spitfire> jussi01:  i done that already
[20:25] <sigma_kubuntu> how do u use arial as the default fixed width font?
[20:25] <spitfire> but theres something else as well, theres 'version updates'
[20:26] <jussi01> spitfire: yeah, click that now
[20:26] <jussi01> it should update your system
[20:26] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: system settings > Look & Feel > Fonts
[20:26] <sigma_kubuntu> i tried but it didnt work. u can do it in gnome easily but not kde
[20:26] <jussi01> or the package should now have appeard in your sys tray
[20:26] <sfi> no root files.
[20:26] <ardchoille> sfi: God
[20:27] <ardchoille> *good
[20:27] <spitfire> jussi01: whats the deal with the requesting?
[20:27] <spitfire> why do we have to request, and why does it take so long
[20:27] <sigma_kubuntu> ardchoille: it won't let me select arial - its not in the fixed width font list
[20:28] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: It's not in mine either. Are you sure Ariel is a fixed width font?
[20:28] <ardchoille> sfi: The only other thing I can suggest is to open konsole and type in: whoami
[20:29] <trappist> I'm pretty sure arial is not fixed width
[20:29] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: See what trappist posted
[20:30] <sfi> ardchoille: thx but it's definitly the good user.
[20:30] <ardchoille> sfi: ok
[20:30] <sigma_kubuntu> archoille: its not but can you force it to be one? i want to know why u can in ubuntu but not kubuntu
[20:31] <sfi> One things that can be a hint is that one day I install the qt-gtk package (a bullshit). now I don't have it anymore but I feel like it still have its influence ... like a ghost bouuuh
[20:32] <FLUxXxX-> HELLO! What is the difference between apt-get purge <package> and apt-get autoremove <package> ?
[20:32] <jpatrick> FLUxXxX-: autoremove cleans out packages that are no longer in the repos
[20:33] <ardchoille> FLUxXxX-: purge removes also the configurations for the package, autoremove removes deps that are no longer needed
[20:33] <jussi01> doh... he left
[20:33] <ardchoille> FLUxXxX-: iirc, autoremove does not remove configs
[20:33] <FLUxXxX-> ah, cool
[20:34] <FLUxXxX-> so basically synaptic's mark for complete removal is apt-get --purge autoremove package?
[20:35] <ardchoille> FLUxXxX-: I believe so, yes
[20:35] <FLUxXxX-> thanks
[20:35] <FLUxXxX-> btw
 FLUxXxX-: autoremove cleans out packages that are no longer in the repos
[20:35] <SudoKing> now how do I make a folder available to all programs/users and not just root?
[20:35] <FLUxXxX-> haha:)
[20:36] <SudoKing> er, I mean permissions
[20:36] <ardchoille> FLUxXxX-: I think it's apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove package
[20:36] <FLUxXxX-> SudoKing readable or writeable?
[20:36] <sigma_kubuntu> are there any decent fixed width fonts? monospace is so ugly
[20:36] <SudoKing> writable
[20:36] <FLUxXxX-> chmod 777 dir
[20:36] <FLUxXxX-> or chmod -R 777 dir if you want its subdirs writeable aswell
[20:37] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: I like courier 10 pitch
[20:37] <FLUxXxX-> and all files inside it
[20:37] <jpatrick> FLUxXxX-: arg, that's autoclean, autoremove: remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.
[20:37] <SudoKing> its still saying permission denied
[20:37] <SudoKing> trying to run a .sh file that writes to the folder
[20:39] <jussi01> SudoKing: you tried runnig the sh with sudo ?
[20:39] <FLUxXxX-> ardchoille:
[20:39] <FLUxXxX->  --auto-remove
[20:39] <FLUxXxX->            If the command is either install or remove, then this option acts like running autoremove command, removing the unused
[20:39] <FLUxXxX->            dependency packages. Configuration Item: APT::Get::AutomaticRemove.
[20:39] <FLUxXxX-> so it's the same
[20:39] <jpatrick> !paste | FLUxXxX-
[20:39] <ubotu> FLUxXxX-: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:39] <Flare183> !paste
[20:39] <kjcole> Looking for a quick audio fix: I think I have too many sound server packages.  Once in a while I get a small pop of sound at random intervals, but nothing consistent.
[20:39] <FLUxXxX-> there is a 3-4 lines acceptable range
[20:40] <SudoKing> jussi01, yea
[20:41] <SudoKing> FLUxXxX, that was 5 :P
[20:42] <spitfire> hey the update cant be 161mb right?
[20:42] <BluesKaj> kjcole, it's stating the obvious but check your output cables and speaker connects first
[20:42] <kjcole> I see  running at the moment "pulseaudio --log-target=syslog -Lmodule-esound-compat-spawnfd",
[20:42] <kjcole> "artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f"
[20:42] <spitfire> Quick question: anyone from Jordan?
[20:42] <kjcole> and "esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 17"
[20:43] <jussi01> spitfire: yes it can
[20:43] <jussi01> spitfire: no Idea...
[20:43] <jussi01> spitfire: and welcome back
[20:43] <jussi01> :SD
[20:43] <SudoKing> jussi01, ran the sh file with "sh launch.sh" but it gives me permission denied after I set the permission on the folder
[20:43] <spitfire> jussi01: but its downloading quite quickly
[20:43] <kjcole> BluesKaj: Already checked.  And I checked the fuse in the woofer.  Seems good.
[20:43] <spitfire> jussi01: thanks
[20:44] <spitfire> how do i register my nickname ::S
[20:44] <BluesKaj> !register
[20:44] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[20:44] <jussi01> SudoKing: and have you run "sudo sh launch.sh" ?
[20:44] <kjcole> BluesKaj: (I haven't yet disconnected it all and tried plugging it in somewhere else, as I do occasionally get that "pop" from the speakers.)
[20:44] <SudoKing> jussi01, I'm in as root on terminal
[20:45] <SudoKing> I think its the program that doesn't have the permissions
[20:45] <SudoKing> =?
[20:45] <jussi01> SudoKing: hmmm... (/me strongly disagrees with being logged in as root...)
[20:46] <SudoKing> why? :P
[20:46] <BluesKaj> running pulseaudio kjcole, not familiar with that
[20:46] <jussi01> !sudo | SudoKing
[20:46] <ubotu> SudoKing: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[20:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulseaudio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:46] <SudoKing> heh I know it can do anything, but that's not really what I wanted
[20:47] <SudoKing> I need to give the file permission to write to a folder
[20:47] <jussi01> !info pulseaudio | BluesKaj
[20:47] <ubotu> blueskaj: pulseaudio: PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.6-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 294 kB, installed size 1036 kB
[20:47] <mikelapy> Where can I change "menu" options without using kcontrol?
[20:48] <ancafe> Hi. I'm spanish. Sorry for my bad english. In Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10, Wine FREEZE the computer when execute it, and WINECFG.... any idea?
[20:49] <SudoKing> hm
[20:49] <mikelapy> ancafe, I use windows in virtual box :)
[20:49] <genii> ancafe Perhaps ask in #winehq channel
[20:49] <jussi01> !es | ancafe
[20:49] <ubotu> ancafe: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> haha that's cool
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> !es
[20:52] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> !es | apt-get
[20:52] <ubotu> apt-get: please see above
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> !es | ancafe
[20:52] <ubotu> ancafe: please see above
[20:52] <jussi01> !botabuse > FLUxXxX-
[20:52] <domme> can i simply upgrade from feisty to current kubuntu or do i have to expect problems because i didnt upgrade for too long?
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> !de
[20:52] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:53] <BluesKaj> kjcole, how many soundcards are you running into that PulseAudio mixer , you may have only set up as the default . so the configuration to run more than one card at a time has to be in the Pulse Audio config files
[20:53] <DrakeJustice_> anyone here hacked the isolinux.cfg on a blank gutsy?
[20:53] <DrakeJustice_> i need the text-color option...
[20:53] <DrakeJustice_> forgot it...
[20:54] <kjcole> BluesKaj: Only one sound card.  It used to work, but over time, as I've tried to make more multimedia play correctly with IP phone apps, I think I've bolloxed it up.
[20:55] <BluesKaj> ringtones ?
[20:55]  * Chickentikka does it work?
[20:55]  * Chickentikka yes it does
[20:56] <Tm_T> erm
[20:56] <Chickentikka> its ok, im a total noob
[20:56] <Chickentikka> :D
[20:57] <PsySine> is there any way uninstall everything after trying http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php ?
[20:57] <Tm_T> PsySine: umm, install kde4base ?
[20:57] <domme> uuuh there is Tm_T
[20:57] <Tm_T> domme: where is?
[20:57] <domme> there!
[20:58] <domme> look!
[20:58] <domme> stupid old.. lady!
[20:58] <Tm_T> PsySine: I mean uninstall ofcourse
[20:58]  * genii sips a coffee and watches scroll
[20:58] <Tm_T> domme: true there
[20:58] <Tm_T> PsySine: also kde4libs
[20:59] <PsySine> Tm_T: there is kde4libs-bin but uninstalling that would imply amarok, k3b, and other things
[20:59] <PsySine> +ininstalling
[20:59] <PsySine> un*
[20:59] <PsySine> grr
[20:59] <Tm_T> PsySine: and other related libs are...
[21:00] <azerty> salut a tous
[21:00] <Tm_T> azerty: evening
[21:00] <lingard> is there anyway to add virtual ram?
[21:00] <azerty> t ki twa????
[21:01] <Tm_T> !fr | azerty
[21:01] <ubotu> azerty: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[21:01] <Tm_T> lingard: you mean swap?
[21:01] <neville__> Make a bigger swap partition?
[21:01] <Tm_T> !swap | lingard
[21:01] <ubotu> lingard: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[21:01] <lingard> i installed it with 2gb
[21:01] <neville__> =/
[21:01] <lingard> is that enough?
[21:02] <neville__> How much RAM have you got?
[21:02] <Chickentikka> i also have it 2gb, and aparently thats enough
[21:03] <mikelapy> plenty :)
[21:03] <lingard> ram's 512 i think
[21:03] <Chickentikka> i hate RAMS i cant have less than 1gb or i suffocate and die :D
[21:03] <neville__> Oh?
[21:03] <lingard> lol
[21:04] <neville__> I can live with 4Mb on my 386 =]
[21:04] <jpatrick> !ot
[21:04] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[21:04] <neville__> 16Mb + Windows 98 on my Pentium 90
[21:04] <Chickentikka> :S how can you stay alive?
[21:04] <neville__> 384Mb on my Windows XP machine
[21:05] <neville__> 2Gb on this Linux one
[21:05] <neville__> Well, you see
[21:05] <lingard> why is it windows needs alot more?
[21:05] <Chickentikka> because windows is an inefficiant piece of shite
[21:05] <neville__> When I was growing up, I never had the best of the best hardware, not even close to
[21:05] <stdin> Chickentikka: please watch your language here
[21:05] <Chickentikka> :S ok
[21:05] <neville__> In fact, it was my 386 during the late 1990s
[21:06] <neville__> Pentium 90 until 2003
[21:06] <neville__> Etc
[21:06] <neville__> It taught me to be tolerant =]
[21:06] <Chickentikka> anyway, i still have this PII laptop and its something like 10mb
[21:06] <Chickentikka> and the HD is like 4 GB
[21:06] <lingard> how did people survive?
[21:06] <Chickentikka> so iv seen worst days
[21:06] <stdin> and everyone try to keep on topic (that's Kubuntu support in case you haven't actually read the topic)
[21:06] <neville__> Worse than a still running 386?
[21:08] <lingard> i have a wine install window that won't close
[21:08] <lingard> i've killed the wine server thing but its still there
[21:08] <kyled185> lingard kill -9 <pid>
[21:09] <lingard> can't find the pid
[21:09] <stdin> lingard: use "ps aux|grep wine" too see what is running
[21:10] <lingard> mark     14586  0.0  0.1   2988   764 pts/2    R+   21:09   0:00 grep win
[21:10] <lingard> is 14586 the pid?
[21:11] <genii> put an "e" on end of win
[21:11] <genii> unless bad copy/paste there
[21:11] <stdin> lingard: no, that was the pid of grep
[21:11] <lingard> my bad
[21:12] <lingard> so what do i kill -9?
[21:12] <genii> lingard: But yeah, the # tat far left is the PID
[21:12] <stdin> lingard: kill -9 is a last resort to forcibly terminate a process
[21:13] <lingard> i can't find the program in "task manager" though
[21:14] <lingard> ohh, wait
[21:14] <lingard> found it :)
[21:14] <lingard> why doesn't killing wine kill its related apps?
[21:15] <Bauldrick> anyone know of a program to create .ipkg packages? i.e the program checkinstall can create .debs for you
[21:15] <Kohlrabi> lingard: ask in #winehq :)
[21:15] <DrakeJustice_> lingard: wine runs 'wineserver' as well
[21:18] <lingard> so #package brings up a support group for that package?
[21:27] <mr_edge> hello
[21:28] <radek> hi
[21:28] <smcintyre> !hi
[21:28] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[21:28] <smcintyre> !ntfs
[21:28] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[21:28] <smcintyre> !ntfs-3g
[21:28] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[21:29] <mr_edge> I'm having problems with realplayer playing music clips on amazon.
[21:31] <acemo> anyone might know what this problem could be? when starting the laptop first everything works normal, after a while when i press "t" laptop thinks i press "t" and arrow up, a while later it thinks i press arrow up at random times, a while later it thinks i press and hold arrow up all the time
[21:32] <genii> mr_edge: sudo apt-get install mplayer and mozilla-mplayer
[21:32] <genii> omit the "and" in there
[21:33] <mr_edge> I'm using the DNA Helix plugin and everything works but no sound
[21:33] <mr_edge> realplayer runs the clip buffers ans plays but no sound
[21:39] <mr_edge> I've searched in the ubuntu fourms and usenet but can't find the answer.
[22:04] <nico666> look this video wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUogk1lRhI
[22:04] <Tm_T> .
[22:08] <lingard> how do i open lirc?
[22:09] <lovedeatm> <----noob. Can one computer assume the ip address of another. If not why and if so how?
[22:09] <lingard> or can anyone help me with http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/archive/index.php?t-7085.html ?
[22:10] <lingard> hold that thought
[22:10] <acemo> can u flash ur bios from linux?
[22:11] <lingard> ho am i supposed to enter $ cd /dev/event in the terminal?
[22:12] <lovedeatm> lingard it sounds an app. if your in konquerer it should show under appls or type application:/lirc also you can use kfind to locate it and open it...
[22:12] <lingard> *how
[22:12] <lovedeatm> tye it in?
[22:12] <lovedeatm> type8
[22:12] <lingard> yeah, it comes up command not found
[22:13] <lovedeatm> o0o...eh srry then cant help you cuz ive never used it before..what kinda program is it?
[22:13] <lingard> its supposed to be a thing to set up an ir remote
[22:13] <lingard> i think
[22:13] <BluesKaj> yup
[22:14] <lingard> "can listen to the /dev/input/eventx device, and turn them into keypresses."
[22:14] <lingard> though IRKick states i don't have one
[22:15] <lingard> but i can control the volume
[22:15] <lovedeatm> yeah i read on ...its for TV awesome? you may need to reinstall or find a diffrent distro of it
[22:15] <lovedeatm> the only solution i have cuz i dont use it
[22:15] <BluesKaj> lingard, are you using LinuxMCE ?
[22:16] <lingard> i have no idea what that is
[22:16] <lingard> bit of a newbie
[22:17] <ardchoille> lingard: Media Center Edition
[22:17] <lingard> nope
[22:17] <lingard> kubuntu?
[22:18] <lingard> when i want to install something i download, do i have to save it anywhere special to install it?
[22:20] <BluesKaj> lingard, the default download target is /home/yourusername (usually)
[22:21] <BluesKaj> system menu HOME
[22:21] <lingard> so, generally, is there a command line to type to install the app when its decompressed?
[22:21] <sub[t]rnl> I like to install third party software in /opt/ as well
[22:22] <lovedeatm> <----noob. Can one computer assume the ip address of another. If not why and if so how?
[22:23] <BluesKaj> BBL... got stuff to do
[22:23] <lingard> lovedeatm: what do you mean?
[22:24] <sub[t]rnl> lovedeatm: yes it can be done, easily.  Computers can spoof other ip's, and can even spoof other mac addresses
[22:24] <lingard> on the same network?
[22:24] <sub[t]rnl> yes, or outside
[22:24] <sub[t]rnl> on the same network is non-blind spoofing
[22:24] <lingard> ohh
[22:24] <lingard> i thought a router wouldn't allow it?
[22:24] <lingard> or am i wrong
[22:24] <sub[t]rnl> wrong
[22:25] <lingard> fair enough :)
[22:26] <lovedeatm> brb
[22:27] <lingard> can you set up series recording on kaffeine?
[22:27] <lingard> is kaffeine even the best app to watch tv?
[22:28] <stdin> !tv
[22:28] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[22:34] <sersocker> wenas que tal?
[22:35] <sersocker> alguien me puede hechar una mano?
[22:37] <jussi01> sersocker: what language is that?
[22:38] <guaqua> where would i be able to change kdm startup options?
[22:38] <guaqua> i.e. the startup items
[22:38] <stdin> !es | sersocker
[22:38] <ubotu> sersocker: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:39] <stdin> guaqua: do you mean the sessions you can run?
[22:39] <guaqua> yes
[22:40] <guaqua> since the kde4 rc packages seem to be borked, i need to do some homegrown magic
[22:40] <ubuntu_> whoaim
[22:40] <stdin> guaqua: what's borked about them?
[22:41] <guaqua> doesn't start, claims can't find ~/.kde4/share/config/startupconfig
[22:41] <guaqua> i can just plain leave it be if kdm configuration is such a hassle
[22:41] <stdin> guaqua: so copy it from ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig
[22:42] <guaqua> anyone else have an idea of how to modify the sessions, then?
[22:42] <guaqua> stdin: i'll give it a try
[22:43] <stdin> guaqua: it's nothing to do with the kdm entry, the startup script just want's that file
[22:43] <ubuntu> excuse me.. ¿a spanish kubuntu chanel?
[22:43] <stdin> !es
[22:43] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:43] <guaqua> the question still stands for how to modify the entry, regardless of if i'll get it working or not
[22:43] <stdin> guaqua: you edit /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[22:44] <guaqua> thank you
[22:44] <thomas_newbie__> can someone help me with unix regular expression question
[22:44] <ubuntu> thank you : ) .. installing Kubuntu ;)
[22:44] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: you can ask, but regexp can be insane
[22:44] <thomas_newbie__> lol http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48009/
[22:44] <guaqua> thomas_newbie__: http://www.regular-expressions.info/ is a friend
[22:45] <thomas_newbie__> guaqua: i'm reading about them but thx
[22:45] <guaqua> regular expressions are a thing you have to re-learn every time you use them unless you are a perl hacker
[22:46] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: so what's the question exactly?
[22:47] <thomas_newbie__> show the output of that command from a file
[22:47] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: why can't you do that?
[22:47] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: no but it's a question
[22:48] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: do you understand what thats saying because i'm not sure
[22:48] <stdin> yes, but why can't you run that command and see yourself?
[22:48] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: what would it output
[22:48] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: i suppost i'll try first
[22:49] <trappist> guaqua: there are lots and lots of opportunities to use regular expressions.  I use them every day even when I'm not coding.  once you learn how useful they are, they get a little harder to forget.
[22:49] <guaqua> trappist: i guess due to the un-intuitiveness of them, i tend to avoid them
[22:50] <guaqua> probably applies to many others
[22:51] <moparisthebest> I right click on my desktop, click 'configure desktop', a window pops up with a title of 'Configure - KDesktop' and inside of it says 'empty page', how can I fix this?
[22:51] <guaqua> stdin: ended up copying the whole .kde to .kde4 and it seems to work, thanks
[22:51] <moparisthebest> It seems I'm missing a module of some sort, but I haven't been able to find it
[22:51] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: for me it says invalid regular expressions
[22:51] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: probably because those "quotes" aren't quotes, replace them with "
[22:52] <guaqua> thomas_newbie__: your development cycle would be a whole lot shorter if you just tried other ways of doing the regular expression
[22:52] <guaqua> i.e. learning by reading, not only asking
[22:52] <thomas_newbie__> guaqua: omg dont come to conclusions so fast please...i've been reading
[22:52] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: what do u mean those aren't quotes
[22:53] <guaqua> " is not '
[22:53] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: those characters surrounding the expression aren't quotes
[22:53] <stdin> not in UTF anyway
[22:54] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: i wonder why i copy/pasted....anyway i retyped it and it worked
[22:55] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:55] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: some word processors try to make quotes look "pretty" by making them another character (not true quotes). but the shell wants *real* quotes
[22:55] <moparisthebest> I really need to get more than 1 desktop working, does anyone know the name of the module that handles that?
[22:56] <guaqua> moparisthebest: what module are you talking about?
[22:56] <moparisthebest> or virtual desktop that is, whatever they are called
[22:56] <moparisthebest> I right click on my desktop, click 'configure desktop', a window pops up with a title of 'Configure - KDesktop' and inside of it says 'empty page'
[22:56] <moparisthebest> the one that would fix that
[22:56] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: hmmm interesting...well the out put was: honda accord  81 30      AND ford  thundbd 84 10
[22:56] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: but i'm confused :D
[22:56] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: same as I got ;)
[22:57] <guaqua> moparisthebest: i wonder if it's even done
[22:57] <moparisthebest> guaqua, it is, I'm still using KDE3
[22:57] <deuryte> what is kde4  ??
[22:57] <guaqua> moparisthebest: oh
[22:57] <moparisthebest> but one day I got on and it's gone :/
[22:58] <deuryte> what is kde4  ??
[22:58] <ardchoille> !kde4
[22:58] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[22:59] <deuryte> ty !!
[22:59] <moparisthebest> do you know what KDE is? currently we have KDE3, KDE4 is the new version that is not yet released
[23:00] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: i think u can guess what it is based on the numbers there but whats the asterisk doing there before the 6-8 and the rest....can't that match ANYTHING? doesn't [^ ]* mean match any single character 0 or more times
[23:00] <deuryte> kde4 release jan11 2008
[23:01] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: * means "repeated any number of times including 0 times"
[23:01]  * BluesKaj won't hold his breath for KDE4 
[23:03] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: yes but there is an asterisk before the numbers
[23:04] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: space is a character too
[23:07] <venik> How do I update TexLive packages?
[23:07] <venik> I use Miktex under windows, and Miktex has a nice package manager, which TexLive seems to lack
[23:08] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: oohhh ok that helped me understand a lot better now thx
[23:08] <Csigaa> re
[23:10] <deuryte> im using foghat 2.26
[23:15]  * Tm_T slaps metaway 
[23:15] <moparisthebest> does anyone know the name of the KDE module that allows configuring multiple virtual desktops?
[23:15]  * metaway says stfu to Tm_T
[23:16] <metaway> if you hate helpers here, i can delete #kubuntu from my ajoin list...
[23:16] <metaway> -1...
[23:16] <metaway> not problem, i know.
[23:16] <Tm_T> rmh
[23:16] <Tm_T> don't use acronyms like that, please
[23:17] <lavacano201014> heh, Gutsy seems to be a bit too complicated for my oldest box
[23:17] <lavacano201014> but just in case i can fix it...
[23:17] <moparisthebest> or is there another way to change my desktop background and/or add more desktops in KDE?
[23:17] <lavacano201014> it says the virtual width is too wide for the hardware when i try to start X
[23:17] <deuryte> I got kickbuntu buttsy..
[23:18] <hydrogen> tm_t got tm_towned
[23:19] <lavacano201014> moparisthebest: the background and the multiple desktop settings should be under the Desktop category
[23:19] <moparisthebest> yes, it is on my other machine, but this machine gives me an 'empty page' lavacano201014
[23:19] <moparisthebest> it literally says 'empty page'
[23:19] <lavacano201014> moparisthebest: try "kcontrol"
[23:20] <moparisthebest> running that command?
[23:20] <lavacano201014> yes
[23:20] <moparisthebest> then I get:
[23:20] <moparisthebest> The program 'kcontrol' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[23:20] <moparisthebest> sudo apt-get install kcontrol
[23:20] <moparisthebest> bash: kcontrol: command not found
[23:21] <lavacano201014> moparisthebest: then install it
[23:21] <moparisthebest> and when I type that, I get:
[23:21] <moparisthebest> kcontrol is already the newest version.
[23:21] <LjL> moparisthebest: echo $PATH
[23:21] <moparisthebest> /home/mopar/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[23:22] <LjL> moparisthebest: ls -l /usr/bin/kcontrol
[23:22] <moparisthebest> ls: /usr/bin/kcontrol: No such file or directory
[23:22] <lavacano201014> LjL: if that doesnt work i have an idea
[23:22] <LjL> moparisthebest: did you remove files from /usr manually?
[23:22] <moparisthebest> no
[23:22] <LjL> moparisthebest: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol
[23:22] <lavacano201014> moparisthebest: "whereis kcontrol"
[23:23]  * lavacano201014 downgrades his older box to feisty because gutsy is too advanced
[23:24] <oakxx> so, is ubuntu stil considered a debian flavour
[23:24] <oakxx> ?
[23:24] <lavacano201014> oakxx: maybe...
[23:24] <Kingzar> woohoo this is so fun :) finally got my ubuntu working after 5 days
[23:24] <oakxx> well, it handles .deb's
[23:24] <moparisthebest> haha, that was the problem the whole time, my kcontrol executable was missing :)
[23:24] <Kingzar> now on too the next problem
[23:24] <Kingzar> ;)
[23:24] <moparisthebest> thanks LjL and lavacano201014
[23:25] <Kingzar> my msn isn't working anybody?
[23:25] <moparisthebest> I wonder how that happened :/
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: run all updates.
[23:25] <lavacano201014> moparisthebest: heh
[23:25] <LjL> moparisthebest, i wonder too. a file from a package disappearing like that is a quite worrying sign.
[23:25] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: MSN client?
[23:25] <Kingzar> kopete
[23:25] <LjL> moparisthebest: i suggest that you run "sudo debsums -s" (after installing debsums)
[23:25] <Kingzar> i'm updating now currently
[23:25] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: got it
[23:26] <Kingzar> if kopete still doesn't work is there another client i can use?
[23:26] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: Pidgin
[23:26] <Kingzar> thank you..
[23:26] <Kingzar> also for my knowledge.. konquerer is firefox. correct or not?
[23:26] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: incorrect.
[23:27] <moparisthebest> LjL, should I have md5sums for all my packages?
[23:27] <Kingzar> :O
[23:27] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: you can get firefox if you want.
[23:27] <LjL> moparisthebest, it's pretty normal that some packages don't have one (unfortunately)... but for most of them, yes. pastebin the output please
[23:27] <Kingzar> but is it better?
[23:27] <moparisthebest> konqueror and firefox are very different, but just install firefox :)
[23:27] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: some say it is... some say not...
[23:27] <moparisthebest> both are good browsers, it's just personal preference which one you like better Kingzar
[23:27] <Kingzar> can i install internet explorer?
[23:27] <Kingzar> :P
[23:27] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: decide for yourself,you can always get firefox
[23:27] <Kingzar> hehehe
[23:28] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: actually, yes you can
[23:28] <moparisthebest> ok LjL it's still running
[23:28] <Kingzar> na was a joke
[23:28] <Kingzar> not gonna run that
[23:28] <nosrednaekim> lol
[23:28] <Kingzar> anything i should do after a fresh install WITH internet working?
[23:28] <Kingzar> besides updating
[23:28] <moparisthebest> I had to do that for my cousin, I installed microsoft word and IE6 on her kubuntu :)
[23:29] <LjL> Kingzar: BREAK IT! how can you resist more than 10 minutes with a working system?
[23:29] <Kingzar> haha you cannot destroy my happiness
[23:29] <Kingzar> i'm in the sky right now
[23:29] <Kingzar> untouchable
[23:29] <Kingzar> fixing this after 5 days phew.. linux noob and all
[23:29] <LjL> Kingzar: nah, just get the updates, and start looking for software
[23:30] <Kingzar> compiz fusion is included in kubuntu 7.10?
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[23:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:30] <moparisthebest> you can install it yes
[23:30] <bkudria> i have a strange problem.  non of my kde apps will connect to the internet, although firefox, and ssh work fine.  i think it's something to do with knetworkmanager, but killing it doesn't help.  neither does restartingkde, or the computer.  how can i fix this?
[23:30] <bkudria> none*
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: do you use wireless?
[23:30] <moparisthebest> bkudria, knetworkmanager broke for me a few days ago, but nothing could connect
[23:31] <Kingzar> ok thank you.. i expect major problems their already.. i got a mobility radeon 9000, and i've been reading some problems
[23:31] <Kingzar> hope it does take me another 5 days ghehe
[23:31] <LjL> bkudria: you're probably right it's related to knetworkmanager... did you set up your networking manually?
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: uhh oh.
[23:31] <moparisthebest> if only KDE apps aren't connecting, it is probably your KDE proxy settings bkudria
[23:31] <Kingzar> nosrednaekim: uhh oh.. --> as in confirming what i assume or something else?
[23:31] <bkudria> nosrednaekim: no, ethernet
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: confirming what you assume.
[23:31] <LjL> moparisthebest: no, it can be knetworkmanager
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: then kill knetworkmanager.
[23:32] <bkudria> moparisthebest: nope, even with out a proxy setting
[23:32] <bkudria> nosrednaekim: doesn't help
[23:32] <Kingzar> but there are people with functional compiz and radeon 9000 right right right?!?!
[23:32] <moparisthebest> stopping only KDE apps from connecting? strange
[23:32] <Kingzar> PLZZ
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: stop the kded service
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: yess...
[23:32] <Kingzar> for that was my ultimate goal for switching to ubuntu
[23:32] <Kingzar> phewwww
[23:32] <lavacano201014> bkudria: ths is obvious, but did you tell KNetworkManager to enable networking?
[23:32] <moparisthebest> Kingzar, I could never get it working with my radeon mobility 9600 before it died, but go for it :)
[23:32] <bkudria> lavacano201014: i did
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> actually,if the open source drivers are good enough on it by now, it could be really easy
[23:33] <Kingzar> hahahaa and your not a noob i assume
[23:33] <bkudria> nosrednaekim: stop it?  should i start it after that?
[23:33] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: no.. just stop it and keep it from being started again
[23:33] <Kingzar> ubuntu is not nice to newbies :S
[23:33] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: you lie.
[23:33] <Kingzar> the people are
[23:33] <Kingzar> ubuntu no
[23:33] <oakxx> ubunut is super nice to newbs
[23:33] <oakxx> you all are trippin
[23:34] <Kingzar> if you got the hardware that is
[23:34] <oakxx> name a simpler linux  distro???
[23:34] <Kingzar> windows!
[23:34] <tarin> meis
[23:34] <no0tic> who has the problem with knetworkmanager?
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: there is a learning curve....and bad hardware doesn't help
[23:34] <tarin> mepis
[23:34] <oakxx> you said windows!!!!
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> no0tic:  bkudria
[23:34] <oakxx> andyou cal others newbs
[23:34] <oakxx> please
[23:34] <Kingzar> yes what the problem
[23:34] <lavacano201014> Ubuntu's slogan is "Linux for human beings"
[23:34] <stdin> !ot
[23:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:34] <Kingzar> no i am a noob
[23:34] <moparisthebest> Kingzar, if you think *ubuntu is not nice to newbies, try installing gentoo manually from the command line
[23:34] <Kingzar> i consider myself the instep mondel
[23:34] <Kingzar> model
[23:34] <no0tic> bkudria, knetworkmanager + ppp + gprs?
[23:34] <oakxx> yes u are
[23:34] <tarin> or fedora
[23:34] <bkudria> no0tic: nope
[23:34] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: 1) Windows is not Linux, nor is it anywhere near Linux
[23:34] <oakxx> you are a nigger boob= n00b
[23:34] <bkudria> nosrednaekim: didn't help
[23:35] <oakxx> windows sucks my penix's
[23:35] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: 2) Linux does not crash without a good reason, unlike Windows.
[23:35] <tarin> hey does anyone have an issue with adept crashing
[23:35] <Kingzar> well well guys comon, too much fanboyism here now...
[23:35] <tarin> keeps telling me it is being used by another process
[23:35]  * stdin high-fives LjL on the teamwork
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: hehe... yeah
[23:35] <no0tic> bkudria, so what?
[23:35] <moparisthebest> tarin, adept crashes sometimes
[23:35] <LjL> no0tic: it's not gprs, but firefox and ssh connect, while kde apps don't
[23:35] <tarin> and then forces me to close
[23:35] <lavacano201014> tarin: i never really liked adept
[23:36] <Kingzar> i gotta say in winxp's defence, i never had 1 BSOD in all the time i used it
[23:36] <tarin> i know sometimes but this has been every time i open for a week
[23:36] <sigma> use kpackage in place of adept
[23:36] <Kingzar> and neither a virus or trojan
[23:36] <tarin> ok
[23:36] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: you are a miracle.
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> tarin:  or synaptic
[23:36] <Kingzar> i just treat my pc with Loveveeee
[23:36] <tarin> do i need to apt-get those?
[23:36] <sigma> Kingzar: ive never had either in kubuntu
[23:36] <bkudria> no0tic: wait, what?  i'm sorry?
[23:37] <no0tic> bkudria, knetworkmanager doesn't check for connection on ppp interfaces, so you have to uninstall it and all kde applications will connect. Many kde apps rely on knetworkmanager to determine if they have access to the internet
[23:37] <lavacano201014> tarin: you can if you want
[23:37] <bkudria> no0tic: i'm not using ppp
[23:37] <moparisthebest> LjL, http://rafb.net/p/wuNEd813.html debsums finally finished
[23:37] <moparisthebest> nothing looks too bad in there
[23:37] <steveire> How do I run qtdemo on kubuntu?
[23:37] <Kingzar> ok back to learning again.
[23:37] <lavacano201014> steveire: run the command "qtdemo" i guess
[23:37] <Kingzar> so can i get almost all the programs from the adept manager ?
[23:37] <tarin> Evil_DuDe: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[23:38] <Kingzar> like firefox etc.
[23:38] <no0tic> bkudria, sorry, btw, try to stop knetworkmanager. It could be the reason
[23:38] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: almost
[23:38] <diesel_> Hi I am testing out my ability to view a moive, but am coming up with the error that xine could not find the demux for dvd:///dev/scd0 could someone point me to a solution.
[23:38] <Kingzar> ok\
[23:38] <moparisthebest> you can get most of the mainstream ones Kingzar
[23:38] <steveire> lavacano201014: It's not there. I also don't find it with apt-cache
[23:38] <moparisthebest> then there is sourceforge, and then plain google
[23:38] <Kingzar> is it a wise thing to be installing new apps, while adept updater is updating?!
[23:38] <bkudria> no0tic: i did, it didn't help
[23:38] <no0tic> bkudria, if after that all kde apps go online, you'll have to uninstall knetworkmanager
[23:38] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: a small chunk of stuff you must use apt-get from a shell, but you probably dont need to use those apps yet.
[23:38] <LjL> moparisthebest: uhm, quite too many packages don't have a checksum... but no, i guess nothing exceptionally bad
[23:38] <no0tic> bkudria, ok, so I can't help you anymore, sorry
[23:39] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: no not really
[23:39] <Kingzar> hmm it's not even allowing me to open another adept screen
[23:39] <moparisthebest> no, you can only have 1
[23:39] <bkudria> no0tic: thanks anyway...
[23:39] <Kingzar> -1 point for linux.. no multi tasking
[23:39] <lavacano201014> steveire: you didnt include the quotes, did you?
[23:39] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=306
[23:39] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: thats for technical reasons..
[23:39] <moparisthebest> Kingzar, it modifies your database, and you don't want 2 processes modifying it at the same time ;)
[23:39] <bkudria> moparisthebest: so, even after stopping kded, it doesn't work.  any other idea what might be wrong?
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: ever tried installing two things in windows at the same time?
[23:40] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: yes you can multitask, just not while adept updater is updating
[23:40] <moparisthebest> bkudria, try removing knetworkmanager all together and restarting
[23:40] <moparisthebest> oh, its called soemthing else now
[23:40] <steveire> lavacano201014: no
[23:40] <moparisthebest> networkd-manager-kde  i think
[23:40] <moparisthebest> without the first 'd'
[23:40] <Kingzar> niceeeeeeee wooohooo
[23:40] <LjL> Kingzar, i urge you to look up "multitasking" on wikipedia or something
[23:40] <no0tic> Kingzar, you can't lauch different dpkg processes at once
[23:40] <lavacano201014> steveire: then i cant help you, as i have no reason to use qtdemo
[23:41] <bkudria> moparisthebest: ok, i'll try
[23:41] <Kingzar> what's the command to quickly send a window to another desktop?!
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: depends on how you have it set up.
[23:42] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: systemsettings->keyboard and mouse->keyboard shortcuts
[23:42] <Kingzar> thnx
[23:42]  * nosrednaekim has it set to ctrl+alt+shift+right arrow
[23:42] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: you can also just right click the title bar
[23:42] <Kingzar> i want faster
[23:43] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: no such way
[23:43] <moparisthebest> Kingzar, in linux, you can change anything to work like you like it
[23:43] <lavacano201014> moparisthebest: that is true
[23:43] <moparisthebest> and if you can't change it with a nice user interface, or by editing a text file
[23:43] <no0tic> Kingzar, you'd like a mind reader?
[23:43] <moparisthebest> then you can get the source, make it like you want, and recompile it :)
[23:43] <LjL> no0tic: what about webcam face tracking?
[23:43] <Kingzar> hehe thanks,.. i'll get their after 1 year of using linux mayb
[23:43] <LjL> nod to move the window to another desktop
[23:44] <no0tic> LjL, would be perfect to give focus to windows.
[23:44] <nosrednaekim> no0tic: hey.... watch it...  be nice
[23:44] <moparisthebest> it moves quite fast actually Kingzar, after using it for a solid week I could no longer go back to windows
[23:44] <LjL> no0tic: well then write something or port something from windows, because there's nothing decent for linux :P
[23:44] <BluesKaj> LjL, preferably with an ugly-image filter :)
[23:44] <jembouge> hi there
[23:44] <LjL> that might help
[23:45] <nosrednaekim> hey jembouge
[23:45] <Kingzar> can anyone give me a hint if i'd be able to run all those nice gadgets, and looks like those video's on youtube. ON my pc? it's a P4 2.6/512mb laptop with Radeon 9000 64mb
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: thats sounds decent, you should at least be able to do some of them
[23:46] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: you've probably all seen this: while updating, it asks you whether to keep or replace a file (in my case: qt_plugins_3.3rc)
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: replace
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: if you've never modified the file, replace it
[23:47] <jembouge> should I keep or replace that one, and how to understand what the "compare files" function shows to us?
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: thats a diff..
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: replace it
[23:48] <moparisthebest> Kingzar, there is only one way to know for sure, give it a try :)
[23:48] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: should I show you what it says in the "compare files" window?
[23:48] <jembouge> !pastebin
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[23:48] <Kingzar> hmm
[23:48] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: no.... its ok... its just a rc file, you're not going to kill anything
[23:48] <jembouge> lol ok,
[23:48] <jembouge> what does the 'rc' mean btw?
[23:48] <ardchoille> Release Candidate
[23:48] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: its a confic file.
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> *config
[23:49] <ardchoille> Oh, sorry
[23:49] <jembouge> so should I at least save the old one?
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: stop abusing your membership ;)
[23:49] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: lol
[23:50] <jembouge> well thanks, replacing
[23:51] <Kingzar> shortcuts doesnt really work yet hehe
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: the shortcut doesnt work?
[23:51] <jembouge> btw, after all this mess with kdm, kdmtheme and the admin button showing up but not working, I decided (and did) format everything and reinstall the whole thing :p
[23:51] <jembouge> all is working fine now
[23:51] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: do you mind not flaming Linux?
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: don't mees with kdm and themes...
[23:51] <jembouge> so thanks you all who helped me
[23:51] <jembouge> my laptop has no pb I can't solve anymore :)
[23:52] <Kingzar> i added some shortcuts about moving windows to other desktop, and moving to other desktop
[23:52] <Csigaa> bye
[23:52] <Kingzar> with like shift + right arrow
[23:52] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: you may need to restart kde,but I don't think so..
[23:52]  * genii hands jembouge a congratulatory coffee
[23:53] <lavacano201014> Kingzar: <CTRL> + <ALT> + <BACKSPACE> ;-)
[23:53] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: I'm no linux code writer, but I think that kdm stuff should be re-thought and reworked, it's really buggy sometimes
[23:53] <jembouge> genii: thanks :)
[23:53] <lavacano201014> heh, missed him
[23:54]  * jembouge sipping coffe
[23:54] <nosrednaekim> lavacano201014: thats not funny.
[23:54] <Kingzar> is kdewallet an important program?
[23:54] <nosrednaekim> Kingzar: not really
[23:55] <genii> jembouge: Anytime :)
[23:55] <Kingzar> it seems to be messin with the msn of kopete
[23:55] <BluesKaj> is there a utility besides cpufreq-utils that simply monitors the cpu speed ? ...don't want the scaling options cuz they don't work properly on gutsy 64bit
[23:55] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: just to read the frequency?
[23:56] <BluesKaj> yes
[23:56] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep frequency"
[23:56] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> erm...."grep MHz"
[23:57] <Kingzar> jup its definitly kde wallet messing with kopete msn
[23:58] <kpr> You know what's good. PuTtY
[23:58] <kpr> Forwards all SSH connections from my VMware kubuntu to Doze
[23:58] <kpr> And I recommend it for those who hate dual booting
[23:58] <kpr> =]
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> :D
[23:59] <kpr> =D
[23:59] <BluesKaj> ok nosrednaekim the MHz did it :)