[00:24] <nealmcb> mpt: I should clarify I'm looking for bzr support, translations, etc - a project to make it part of, otherwise I guess we should just make a new one, but this seems like it should be part of something bigger
[00:25] <nealmcb> so we could document it at help.launchpad.net, but I'm looking to develop it more first :-)
[00:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175758 in launchpad "add not-null constraint to Person.visibility" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175758
[01:17] <Laney> window level all
[01:17] <Laney> oops :(
[01:34] <nealmcb> hmm - another interesting launchpad-scraping tool - https://edge.launchpad.net/python-launchpad-code/
[01:40] <Hobbsee> yeesh.  damn peopl.e.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> sabdfl != launchpad-beta-testers, so why subscribe both?
[01:45] <jelmer> ah, that explains why I get the occassional email about lp bugreports I'm not subscribed to...
[01:45] <Hobbsee> i think so
[01:46] <Hobbsee> they've got a tendancy to to do to ubuntu-core-dev, too
[01:46] <Hobbsee> the people are only starting with launchpad now, it appears.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that people don't get why people who want to be subscribed stuff are already subscribed.
[01:47] <Hobbsee> and that adding random teams, etc, is just spam.
[01:48] <jelmer> They probably hope that more people knowing about the bug means a better chance of having it fixed quicker
[01:48] <Hobbsee> probably
[01:48] <Hobbsee> what they don't know is that some people may well ignore bugs like that, just to piss them off in return.
[01:53] <jelmer> Having an option in launchpad to forbid others to subscribe you (or your team) would be useful.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> well, i don't mind for users
[01:53] <jelmer> Although restrictions that are too strict can hinder as well
[01:54] <Hobbsee> but subscribing any team over 5 (or 10) members probably warrants an "are you sure?  no really, are you really sure?  often the required people are already subscribed, so don't subscribe big teams"
[01:54] <jelmer> Yeah, indeed - I would hate not being able to subscribe another developer to a bug if I think they may be interested in a bug.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> dialog
[01:54] <Hobbsee> there are cases where you subscribe teams to bugs.
[01:56] <jelmer> Yeah, just requiring extra confirmation may be a good compromise
[01:56] <Hobbsee> not for everything though
[01:56] <Hobbsee> they pushed that out to edge recently, and that was bloody ridiculous.
[01:57] <jelmer> where?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> the testing server
[01:57] <Hobbsee> (edge.launchpad.net)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> you probably get redirected there already, being in -beta-testers
[01:57]  * jelmer hasn't noticed anything :-)
[01:58] <jelmer> then again, my use of launchpad is mainly limited to malone and the bazaar integration
[02:21] <_polto_> what does replace mozilla-config now pls ?
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #175780 in launchpad "Validitiy problems in announcements Atom feed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175780
[03:41] <Hobbsee> edge is down.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> wait, no
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175792 in launchpad "Announcements feed contains duplicate entry IDs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175792
[06:53]  * Hobbsee grumbles at cprov-away and infinity
[06:53] <Hobbsee> MOTU really doesn't want mail due to random PPA packages.  thanks.
[06:54] <Fujitsu> You refer to the existance of pkgbinarymangler in the PPA chroots?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:54] <Hobbsee> and the bug that has sat there for months, assigned to infinity, where he's done *nothing* about it.
[06:55] <Fujitsu> I'm surprised there's more to it than just apt-get removing it, but I guess there's some black magic behind it.
[07:15] <jamesh> or changing its configuration ...
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[09:25] <mrevell> howdy
[09:25] <Fujitsu> Hi mrevell.
[09:40] <zerok> morning :) just a question: what gpg key length is currently recommended? i guess with my 1024bit key i'm a little bit behind the time :P
[09:42] <jamesh> zerok: it is up to you
[09:42] <zerok> ok :)
[09:42] <jamesh> a lot of people still have 1024 bit DSA keys though, so it isn't necessarily a problem
[09:46] <zerok> *shrugs* i guess a new key won't hurt :)
[09:47] <jamesh> if people have signed your old key, then it is probably worth keeping it
[09:48] <zerok> not to my knowledge :) and i won't revoke the old key for now anyway :)
[09:55] <jamesh> zerok: you can register multiple keys with your account, so there is no harm in adding both
[09:55] <zerok> sweet. thanks :)
[10:01] <zerok> ROFL i'm retarded. the original key had 4096bits for the private key anyway ^_^
[11:54] <Kmos> morning!
[11:56] <kiko> morning
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[12:05] <Kmos> kiko :)
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175860 in malone "/+text bug page subscribers don't include bug contacts (also notified)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175860
[12:31] <kiko> of course not. it only includes direct subscribers
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[14:19] <mrevell> Hey Hobbsee
[14:19]  * Hobbsee waves to mrevell
[14:20] <Hobbsee> how goes it?
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[14:21] <mrevell> Well, thanks. You?
[14:21] <Hobbsee> mrevell: do you want the real answer to that? :)
[14:22] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Of course. If you're having a bad day, there's no shame in that.
[14:22]  * Hobbsee is throwing a guy off the network repeatedly, and is frustrated at various launchpad bugs.
[14:23] <mrevell> What bugs in particular are frustrating you?
[14:23] <Hobbsee> mrevell: 2 soyuz ones.  the one that sends all binaries to main, and the one that makes all ppa bugs get mangled as ubuntu packages do.
[14:24]  * Hobbsee can look up numbers, if required.
[14:24] <mrevell> Yeah, numbers would be cool, if you have them to hand.
[14:24] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/120052
[14:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120052 in soyuz "Component mapping for new source packages" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[14:25] <Hobbsee> and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/136399
[14:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136399 in soyuz "PPA builders performing normal Ubuntu binary mangling" [High,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Adam Conrad (adconrad)
[14:25] <Hobbsee> mrevell: and general frustration about getting constant mailouts about packages / bugs that i do not care for.
[14:25] <Hobbsee> which i think is because someone is assigning bugs to big teams, or people in the team have uploaded something, etc.
[14:27]  * mrevell looks at the bug pages
[14:31] <mrevell> Sorry Hobbsee, just a sec, I'm in about three conversations atm :)
[14:33] <Hobbsee> mrevell: no problem.  just be sure to perfect the art of cloning yourself in the next 12 hours.
[14:33] <mrevell> Hobbsee: haha :)
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[14:59] <statik> reviewer meeting starting now in #launchpad-meeting
[15:01] <statik> kiko: reviewers meeting in #launchpad-meeting if you are interested
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[15:37] <Ubulette> is it just me or the amd64 ppa builder(s) is/are broken ?
[15:37] <Ubulette> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10862144/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.firefox-3.0_3.0%7Eb2%7Erc1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1%7Efta1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:41] <Hobbsee> looks strange.
[15:41] <Hobbsee> does  libgnomeui-0 actually install on a hardy chroot?
[15:41] <Hobbsee> libgnomeui 2.20.1.1-1 produces uninstallable binaries:
[15:41] <Hobbsee>     * libgnomeui-0 (amd64)
[15:41] <Hobbsee>     * libgnomeui-0-dbg (amd64)
[15:41] <Hobbsee>     * libgnomeui-dev (amd64) 
[15:41] <Hobbsee> no
[15:41] <Hobbsee> from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/hardy_probs.html
[15:42] <Hobbsee> Totals by arch:
[15:42] <Hobbsee>     * sparc:20
[15:42] <Hobbsee>     * i386:18
[15:42] <Hobbsee>     * amd64:688 
[15:42] <Hobbsee> whee!  that's an impressive figure
[15:43] <Hobbsee> Ubulette: that woudl be broken hardy, rather than broken ppa builds.
[15:44] <Ubulette> i386 and lpia are fine
[15:44] <Hobbsee> obviously.  they don't show up on that list
[15:44] <Ubulette> and the xulrunner missing is in my own ppa
[15:45]  * Hobbsee would expect that also depends on some of the core gnome stuff, as the version in the ubuntu archives also fails to install, as shown on that list.
[15:45] <Hobbsee> therefore, will not install.
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[16:14] <Ubulette> Hobbsee, the link above shows mostly amd64 issues
[16:20]  * Hobbsee wondesr what to say to that, and decides to say nothing at all.
[16:20] <Ubulette> :)
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[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #175908 in launchpad "Permalinks for individual announcements" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175908
[18:40] <ubotu> New bug: #175936 in launchpad "Announcements action (edit, publish & delete) links too close" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175936
[18:55] <mtaylor> anybody around an admin or can doing anything about ppa builders? 
[18:55] <mtaylor> I had "mono-gmcs mono-devel"
[18:55] <mtaylor> in my build-deps
[18:56] <mtaylor> and I got:
[18:56] <mtaylor>   mono-devel: Depends: mono-mcs but it is not going to be installed
[18:56] <mtaylor>   mono-gmcs: Depends: mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1) but it is not going to be installed
[18:56] <mtaylor>              Depends: libmono-microsoft-build2.0-cil (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[18:56] <mtaylor>              Depends: libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4) but it is not going to be installed
[18:56] <mtaylor> but that's not an error I get on my gutsy install
[18:56] <mtaylor> so I'm not sure what's wrong
[18:57] <kiko> mtaylor, are all those package versions available in your PPA or in Ubuntu?
[18:57] <mtaylor> kiko: mono-devel and mono-gmcs are avail in ubuntu
[18:58] <kiko> what about libmono-microsoft-build2.0-cil mono-runtime libmono2.0-cil
[18:59] <mtaylor> kiko: they seem to be in ubuntu... let me get rid of backports real quick to be sure
[19:01] <mtaylor> kiko: yeah - with only gutsy sources in my sources.list, apt-get install mono-gmcs mono-devel works fine
[19:01] <mtaylor> kiko: but I will say this... 
[19:01] <mtaylor> my machine shows mono-gmcs depending on mono (= 1.2.4-6ubuntu6)
[19:02] <mtaylor> and mono-runtime is not in the list
[19:03] <mtaylor> so I'm not sure why I show 1.2.4 and ppa shows 1.1.8
[19:04] <kiko> did you apt-get update after cleaning up your sources.list, mtaylor?
[19:04] <mtaylor> kiko: yup
[19:04] <mtaylor> kiko: and I already de-installed all mono-related packages
[19:05] <kiko> weird.
[19:05] <kiko> mtaylor, well, I can tell you this much:
[19:05] <mtaylor> yeah
[19:05] <kiko> a PPA can depend on two things
[19:05] <kiko> - itself
[19:05] <kiko> - ubuntu gutsy
[19:05] <kiko> that's it.
[19:05] <mtaylor> yup. that's all I'm depending on... how _weird_
[19:06] <kiko> well, ubuntu X, where X is what distro series you uploaded your package for
[19:06] <mtaylor> maybe I'll debootstrap a gutsy and try in there... 
[19:08] <mtaylor> btw, what's lpia? 
[19:08] <kiko> yeah, if I had a gutsy I could help you, but here in london I don't
[19:08] <mtaylor> I consider that london's fault
[19:08] <mtaylor> :)
[19:08] <kiko> I think it stands for low-power intel architecture. it's a mobile chip.
[19:08] <mtaylor> oh. how interesting
[19:08] <kiko> there are many things to blame london for
[19:08] <kiko> yeah, it's super-new; I'm not sure there are even released products on it
[19:09] <kiko> ah, it's not even out yet, so there you go.
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[19:28] <kergoth> anyone know how to disable parts of launchpad for a project, like if i don't want to make use of, the answers section, or the code repo?
[19:30] <pochu> kergoth: Change details, on the top left corner of the project's main page
[19:30] <mtaylor> kiko: aha... the mono errors are only on lpia
[19:30] <kergoth> " People can ask questions in Launchpad Answers" is unchecked, yet i can click on the answers tab and ask a question
[19:31] <mtaylor> kiko: I have _different_ weird errors on amd64
[19:31] <kergoth> bugs are set to 'somewhere else', but the tab seems functional there too
[19:31]  * kergoth scratches head
[19:31] <ddaa> for code, you cannot forbid other from attaching branches to your project
[19:32] <ddaa> kergoth: what is the name of your project?
[19:32] <ddaa> I mean, it's launchpad id?
[20:26] <pochu> kergoth: the tab is there, and you can click it. Yet I don't think it will allow you to report a bug. Have you tried it?
[20:26] <pochu> kergoth: there's a bug about it not been clear that the project doesn't use bugs. the bugs page will display it too soon I think.
[20:27] <pochu> kergoth: for the answers it could be the same, although I don't use them so I'm not sure...
[20:27] <pochu> I mean, maybe it let's you click the tab and go to the page, but not report them
[20:27] <pochu> If so, it should be clearer too...
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[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #175978 in launchpad "HWDB: Define a list of allowed units for the <answer> tag in submissionn data" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175978