[00:01] <h3sp4wn> Jordan_U: He said alsa-driver 15 fixes it
[00:02] <Jordan_U> h3sp4wn, I am just saying that if just keeping up to date will solve his problem he might prefer to just wait.
[00:04] <thompa> im trying to find the alternative to nwm. seems i cant manually configure
[00:14] <turbotorben> hey, when will the kernel be updated in hardy?
[00:16] <h3sp4wn> turbotorben: already is (but no restricted modules)
[00:16] <turbotorben> h3sp4wn, so how do i install it?
[00:19] <turbotorben> i only need support for madwifi, but i'll compile that module from svn anyway
[00:24] <h3sp4wn> turbotorben: aptitude / apt-get / dselect however you want
[00:27] <turbotorben> h3sp4wn, using update-manager it will not come up?
[00:28] <h3sp4wn> turbotorben: No cluw
[00:46] <askand> Hi! Im curious how the new atidrivers is working? Can someone tell me?
[02:36] <DarkMageZ> anyone else having problems changing their wallpaper?
[02:40] <DanaG> I am.  I can't do "add", I have to change it through Nautilus.
[02:42] <DarkMageZ> ah. thanks for reminding me of the other method
[03:00] <mikelapy> h3sp4wn, alsa-source module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa
[03:00] <mikelapy> All worked well :)
[03:00] <mikelapy> Sound also worked on kernel ,,,24.1
[03:00] <mikelapy> but not needed
[03:02] <mikelapy> 2.6.22-14-generic is now working fine,only wifi to sort but not urgent at the mo
[03:05] <mikelapy> Control Centre "kcontrol" is all but empty :)
[03:05] <mikelapy> Still going well for such an early stage of development
[04:20] <DanaG> Hmm, 2.6.24 doesn't let me build nvidia.  Bummer.
[04:22] <RAOF> Hm.  l-r-
[04:22] <RAOF> l-r-m-2.6.24 has been uploaded, maybe check that :)
[04:23] <hydrogen> more symbols were marked gpl-only I believe
[04:23] <DanaG> pv_cpu_ops
[04:23] <hydrogen> yea.. xen stuffs
[04:23] <DanaG> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102652
[04:24] <RAOF> ...and ftbfs on amd64 :(
[04:24] <DanaG> I find it odd that the nvidia driver even uses virtualization stuff.
[04:24] <DanaG> I mean, is an NVIDIA gpu going to ever be virtualized?  I doubt it.
[05:24] <DanaG> WTF?
[05:24] <DanaG> middle mouse is trying to paste stuff in Firefox, despite me having set middlemouse.paste to false.
[05:24] <DanaG> WTF?
[05:25] <DanaG> Somehow, my preferences are being reset every time I start Firefox.
[05:25] <DanaG> WTF?
[05:25] <cafuego> DanaG: 's what X does.
[05:26] <DanaG> Well, I don't like Firefox absent-mindedly resetting my preferences.
[05:26] <DanaG> I'll go to about:config and find that middlemouse.paste has randomly been set to true.
[05:26] <LimCore> DanaG: pehras kikll  all ffox instances
[05:26] <DanaG> And horizontal-scroll will have been reset to go back and forward.
[05:27] <DanaG> Is there any way to FORCE a specific preference to be applied?
[05:27] <DanaG> I put the options in /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/firefox.js but they seem to be ignored.
[05:36] <DanaG> aah, user.js.
[05:36] <DanaG> That's what I needed.
[05:36] <DanaG> http://www.mozilla.org/catalog/end-user/customizing/briefprefs.html
[05:37] <Hobbsee> user.js, as usual...
[05:40] <DanaG> I'd only ever seen prefs.js in my profile.
[05:40] <gary4gar> hello guys!
[05:41] <DanaG> Here's the complication: I share my Firefox profile with Windows, also.
[05:42] <gary4gar> when i add a entry in resolve.conf & it automatically disappears on a restart, how to stop this :o
[05:43] <DanaG> Look in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[05:43] <DanaG> If you want an entry to take precedence, it's "prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
[05:44] <DanaG> where you rep;ace the ip with whatever you want, and leave out the quotes.
[05:44] <gary4gar> i already added prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1 in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf :S
[05:44] <gary4gar> it should take it & but its not taking
[05:44] <gary4gar> sounds weird to me
[05:45] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:45] <DanaG> I also use NetworkManager, and don't have entries in the 'interfaces' file for the interfaces.
[05:46] <gary4gar> DanaG, the network-admin in hardy is broken, its also a reported bug
[05:48] <gary4gar> DanaG, any possible culprit you would suggest?
[05:50] <DanaG> Hmm, I don't have any other ideas right now.
[05:52] <gary4gar> nice
[05:53] <compwiz18> gary4gar: if you don't ever change dns servers, you can chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[05:54] <gary4gar> compwiz18, but thats a bad practice anyway , also i don't think its chattr is supported
[05:55] <gary4gar> maybe i would try your method for time being, but it this reversible ?
[05:55] <compwiz18> yeah. chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf
[05:56] <gary4gar> and how to reverse it?
[05:56] <compwiz18> its better to find a way to fix it if you can, instead of making it immutable
[05:56] <compwiz18> chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf
[05:56] <gary4gar> yeah
[05:56] <gary4gar> i am thinking that
[05:56] <compwiz18> chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf # <-- reverses
[05:57] <gary4gar> does the harsh '#' makes the difference ?
[05:58] <compwiz18> no, I just put that in so it comments out the end of the line in the shell
[05:58] <compwiz18> chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf
[05:58] <compwiz18> is all you need
[05:58] <gary4gar> ok its like toggle on or off?
[05:59] <gary4gar> the same command turns off & turn ON
[05:59] <gary4gar> am i correct?
[05:59] <compwiz18> if you change the "-" to a "+" it sets it
[06:00] <compwiz18> otherwise, the "-" removes it
[06:00] <compwiz18> http://linuxreviews.org/man/chattr/
[06:00] <gary4gar> okay..reading it
[06:00] <compwiz18> it can explain better then me
[06:02] <gary4gar> nice informative link
[06:02] <gary4gar> but this command only works on older FS
[06:02] <gary4gar> AFAIK, In ext4 there is not support for it
[06:03] <compwiz18> you using ext4 then?
[06:04] <compwiz18> I don't know if it is works or not...
[06:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, perhaps the presence of the device in 'interfaces' may be confusing something, if you're also using networkmanager.
[06:06] <gary4gar> DanaG, how to check?
[06:07] <DanaG> Try commenting out any stuff about eth0 or eth1 or wlan0 (or whatever interface) in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:08] <DanaG> And before you reboot, try at least just doing 'sudo dhclient eth0' or whatever interface.
[06:11] <gary4gar> in /etc/network/interfaces, its using static whereas i remember editing the file to dhcp but dunno how everything gets restored automatically , now it looks like this
[06:11] <gary4gar> http://pastebin.com/d17afc601
[06:18] <DanaG> Hmm, that might do it -- if it's not dhcp'd, then who knows where it gets its DNS server info from...
[06:57] <askand> How is ati working in hardy now?
[07:05] <gary4gar> DarkMageZ, removed network-manager and network-manager-gnome & its working fine now,
[07:05] <gary4gar> that solves many such unexpected things!
[07:05] <gary4gar> thanks for your help :)
[07:06] <gary4gar> compwiz18, thanks for your help :)
[08:34] <bardyr> hey
[08:34] <bardyr> !info linux-generic-image
[08:34] <ubotu> Package linux-generic-image does not exist in hardy
[08:34] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic
[08:34] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[08:44] <mikelapy> bardyr, huh i installed it today
[08:45] <bardyr> mikelapy, im waiting to they get 2.26.24 (complete)
[08:45] <bardyr> 2.6.24*
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> So I just attempted an upgrade, and I'm getting errors on the slocate package involving remaining diversions.  Has anyone else seen that?
[09:23] <DarkMageZ> tonyyarusso, i get that on a clean hardy alpha 1 install when attempting to update that package
[09:24] <tonyyarusso> DarkMageZ: were you able to work around it somehow?
[09:25] <DarkMageZ> i haven't been bothered. it's hardy :P
[09:26] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[09:27] <tonyyarusso> wish I knew how diversions worked..
[09:27] <tonyyarusso> I've had a kernel bug open for the last three releases or so, and got a message that it might be fixed with the latest version, so I was going to attempt to test it for them.
[09:29] <DarkMageZ> my gutsy install imploded. so i backed up and formatted. now i'm running hardy on my production machine.
[09:30] <tonyyarusso> eep
[09:30] <tonyyarusso> You're insane
[09:30] <DarkMageZ> pff, i used to run debian with the experimental repository on and latest version preferred set.
[09:31] <DarkMageZ> ...hmm, that update is probably a very bad idea atm... i'll hold off.
[09:32] <tonyyarusso> well, it's 3:30 AM, so I think I'll just go update my Gutsy partition and go to bed.
[09:32] <tonyyarusso> See y'alls later
[09:32] <DarkMageZ> have fun
[10:40] <hit> hi, anyone can tell why i can't login to gnome? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47941/
[10:41] <ikonia> hit: are you running this in a virtual machine by anychance
[10:41] <hit> nope
[10:42] <ikonia> hit: looks like a video / hardware interaction issue
[10:42] <ikonia> curious to the "non-local display" error
[10:43] <hit> i can rarely log in, but then i screen freezes often
[10:43] <hit> everything runs, i can even move cursor, but anything else is freezed
[10:43] <ikonia> hit: what video card do you have and what drivers ?
[10:43] <hit> i.e music keeps playing
[10:43] <hit> ati radeon 9550
[10:43] <hit> ati drivers
[10:44] <ikonia> hit: Hmmmm I know little about the ati drivers,
[10:44] <ikonia> hit: the ati drivers from ati.com or package with the hardy repo's
[10:44] <ikonia> I assume the hady repos
[10:44] <hit> repos yes
[10:44] <hit> they worked fine in gutsy, but not after upgrade
[10:44] <ikonia> I'm not your man on ati, sorry, but that looks like hardware errors, the fact that your whole machine freezes and the sound loops may also suggest a hardwre error
[10:45] <ikonia> or hardware incompatability with hardy
[10:45] <ikonia> hit: hardy is in early development, it may be broke
[10:45] <hit> quess i'll have to wait then
[10:45] <ikonia> hit: things will work in gutsy because that is stable, hardy is not for general use
[10:45] <ikonia> hit: hardy should be being used for actual "usage"
[10:46] <hit> anywhere to look after for hardware errors?
[10:46] <ikonia> hit: well that log is pretty damming
[10:46] <ikonia> hit: any specific reason your evaluatiing the hardy packages ?
[10:47] <ikonia> evaluating even
[10:48] <hit> didn't understand..
[10:49] <ikonia> hit: why are you using the unstable development hardy packages
[10:49] <hit> ah
[10:50] <hit> just wanted to test it :p
[10:50] <ikonia> hit: I'm asking as if you need this system you could be waiting a while to get this working as it may be broke on purpose for a development reason
[10:50] <hit> and see if it's ok already
[10:51] <ikonia> hit: ok, just be aware that this could be broke for a reason and for a while
[10:51] <hit> atm i'm either way forced to use windows because of some programs i need, so i'll just wait then
[10:53] <hit> ok, thanks anyway
[10:54] <hit> btw in Xorg.0.log it says: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
[11:27] <DarkMageZ> hit, if you disable aiglx then the problem could possibly disappear.
[11:27] <hit> will compiz run then?
[11:28] <DarkMageZ> nope. but if that's the problem then it'll give you a non freezy system
[11:28] <hit> ok
[11:28] <DarkMageZ> and a place to start debugging
[11:28] <hit> just noticed new file in home dir
[11:28] <hit> .xsession-errors
[11:29] <hit> Refusing to initialize GTK+.
[11:29] <DarkMageZ> ooo. odd.
[11:29] <hit> SESSION_MANAGER=local/hit:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6038
[11:29] <hit> wrong paste
[11:29] <hit> SESSION_MANAGER=local/hit:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6038
[11:29] <hit> heh
[11:30] <hit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47943/ whole file
[11:30] <DarkMageZ> i'm running an ati 9600se on the ati drivers from hardy
[11:30] <hit> and no problems?
[11:31] <DarkMageZ> no graphics related problems. wow. why's gtk trying to run as root..
[11:31] <DarkMageZ> that's beyond me.
[11:32] <hit> how do you know if it wants to run as root?
[11:33] <DarkMageZ> the xsessions-errors log says it. that's trippy. i'd say backup and go for the clean install.
[11:34] <hit> not yet.. :p
[11:34] <DarkMageZ> well. whatever happens. i'd like to hear how you resolve that one.
[11:35] <hit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/146730
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146730 in kde-guidance "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore: 11: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore: not found" [Medium,Fix released]
[11:35] <hit> a bug reported from gutsy
[11:38] <hit> and in hardy too
[11:40] <DarkMageZ> Hobbsee, Hey!
[11:40] <Hobbsee> heya
[11:42] <DarkMageZ> Hobbsee, i'm running hardy as my primary o/s. so have fun uploading new packages ?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:44]  * DarkMageZ invisions xorg from git & svn kde4.
[13:04] <hit> i don't know if it changed anything or just a lucky strike again but i changed driver from "ati" to "radeon" and here i am
[13:05] <nanonyme> hmm
[13:06] <nanonyme> i wonder if ati is the open one and radeon the closed one
[13:06] <nanonyme> sounds like X breakage if it's that way
[13:06] <nanonyme> that is, the open driver comes with X
[13:06] <awalton__> ati is the old old one, radeon is for anything that's a radeon, fglrx is the closed one
[13:06] <nanonyme> ah
[13:07] <awalton__> ati is for the 10 people left in the world using ati rage cards
[13:07] <hit> so i should use radeon
[13:07] <nanonyme> probably yes
[13:07] <awalton__> yes
[13:07] <hit> let's see then if it freezes again..
[13:08] <nanonyme> awalton__, is the new one radeonhd in xorg.conf?
[13:08] <awalton__> yeah, for everything 500+
[13:08] <awalton__> (which is kinda silly if you ask me, but that's how novell wanted to do it)
[13:13] <slytherin> is anyone using fm radio plugin of rhythmbox?
[13:14] <hit> 3 successful logins isn't just luck so radeon must be working
[13:14] <hit> except i'm missing gnome panel now
[13:16] <hit> got it
[13:40] <hit> still keeps freezing
[13:49] <hit> !info xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[13:49] <hit> :p
[13:49] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd: X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1 (hardy), package size 129 kB, installed size 320 kB
[13:49] <hit> ah
[14:30] <zzats> is the BadAlloc xorg bug fixed in hardy?
[14:48] <mohkohn> Is virtualbox-ose broken with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[14:49] <Hobbsee> likely, i suspect
[14:51] <mohkohn> so queries more likely needed for #virtualbox
[14:51] <JensenDied> is there a reccomended way to create a debootstrapped(or similar) into a bootable iso similar to release ones?
[15:02] <mohkohn> From the #vbox "the OSE SVN version should [work with 2.6.24], and also 1.5.4 when it's released."
[15:03] <mohkohn> so soon :)
[15:03] <mohkohn> thanks and good night
[15:37] <skyfalcon866> does hardy have the latest kernel yet
[15:37] <crdlb> !info linux-image-generic
[15:38] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[15:41] <heikki> !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic
[15:41] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-1.2 (hardy), package size 19272 kB, installed size 66196 kB
[15:41] <crdlb> doh
[16:25] <h3sp4wn> With Solaris in order to get my dhcp server to send the same ip address whether I am using wired or wireless (using nwam) I can add the CLIENT_ID to /etc/default/dhcpagent
[16:25] <h3sp4wn> How can I do something similar with network manager (without hard coding the mac address if at all possible)
[16:57] <thx_-_> hello guys
[16:57] <thx_-_> i moved from Debian to Ubuntu Gutsy, and for some mysterious reason there is a delay of 1-2 seconds till an application starts. any ideas?
[17:01] <Tomcat_> thx_-_: #ubuntu, this is for hardy
[17:17] <thx_-_> what?
[17:18] <thx_-_> ah, i get it
[18:52] <mrtimdog> After not touching anything for a while (hardy+gnome), my (laptop t42) screen goes blank and I can't do anything on the laptop to unblank it. I can still ssh onto it so I'm not sure if this is a BIOS setting or something seem before?
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> mrtimdog: What graphics card drivers are you using
[18:52] <mrtimdog> Can't switch to a tty either.
[18:52] <mrtimdog> Hi. It's the default for ATI Radeon M? 7500.
[18:53] <mrtimdog> Driver          "ati"
[18:53] <mrtimdog> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[18:53] <mrtimdog> It's ok until it's left for a while, not sure how long. I'll just restart gdm...
[18:54] <h3sp4wn> mrtimdog: Interesting I have had no such issues with my X31
[18:54] <h3sp4wn> (video card is very similar)
[18:54] <mrtimdog> Ah, hang on. Xorg proc gone mental.
[18:56] <h3sp4wn> Haven't really had too many issues at all yet - but I also have 133 packages that can be upgraded hmmm
[18:58] <krzulu> After booting my laptop (hardy, all the latest updates), my keyboard & desktop locks up after a few minutes. The only thing I could do was power off. I installed sss-server and it turns out I am able to ssh in to the machine. top reveals the process "compiz.real" eating most of my cpu.When I killed it, everything came back to normal (and has since not happened in this session). Is this a bug...
[18:58] <krzulu> ...I should report ?
[18:59] <stgraber> krzulu: compiz going crazy and eating all your CPU is a known issue, not sure we have a bug opened though
[19:00] <krzulu> Its not simply eating all my cpu but its also totally unresponsive so I couldnt do anything from local machine.  Any known workaround ?
[19:02] <stgraber> krzulu: turn off compiz
[19:02] <stgraber> krzulu: only workaround I heard of (and what I currently do)
[19:02] <stgraber> it appeared with last compiz updates
[19:04] <krzulu> stgraber: Thanks. Should I report this as a bug ? (I know this may be a stupid question but I'm new to using IRC for help and maybe everyone knows this and I am the last person on planet earth to see this bug)
[19:06] <mrtimdog> My screen's gone blank again. I rebooted and left it at the gdm prompt for a couple of mins, the screen blanked and I can't do anything on the laptop itself again.
[19:06] <mrtimdog> I can still SSH in. Any clues which logs may hold a clue?
[19:07] <stgraber> krzulu: bug 175744 seems to match yours (and mine)
[19:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175744 in compiz "Hardy freezes when using compiz" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175744
[19:15] <seezer> mrtimdog: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:15] <seezer> mrtimdog: or `dmesg` perhaps
[19:17] <seezer> but have to go.. bye
[19:17] <mrtimdog> Thanks. Couldn't see anything in those. I'm hoping not, but it may be a BIOS thing on my part. Just experimenting with a few things...
[19:18] <krzulu> stgraber:/ubotu Thanks for excellent help!
[19:18] <h3sp4wn> mrtimdog: Are you running the latest bios ?
[19:18] <mrtimdog> Good point. I'm not sure...
[19:19] <h3sp4wn> mrtimdog: If its not too much of a pita then may as well upgrade it
[19:20] <mrtimdog> h3sp4wn:Thanks, just checking it...
[19:21] <h3sp4wn> (It was a waste of time for me - messing around making a dos bootcd that could read the cd drive and then copy what it needs from the cd into a ramdisk and then unload the cd drivers (to get enough base memory) from linux was not fun
[19:26] <mrtimdog> h3sp4wn: Did you succeed?
[19:26] <h3sp4wn> mrtimdog: I did - I don't think it was worth the effort though
[19:27] <mrtimdog> I'll try it for a few minutes and leave it as is if I haven't succeeded by then! :)
[19:28] <h3sp4wn> mrtimdog: If leverno has a bootable cdrom for your model then may as well just do it
[19:28] <mrtimdog> Couldn't see one, just the little pesky floppy things.
[19:29] <h3sp4wn> Do you have a floppy ? (My ultrabase only has a dvd)
[19:29] <mrtimdog> Mine too.
[19:30] <mrtimdog> USB ones apparently done work, not that I've got one handy,
[19:30] <h3sp4wn> I wonder what ubuntu would think if I used the dock with the pci slot and another type of video card
[19:48] <mrtimdog> Ok, I think it's a problem with my latop, not Ubuntu. Motherboard is screwed :(
[19:49] <h3sp4wn> mrtimdog: Do you use compiz on that laptop ?
[19:50] <mrtimdog> I did, yes. That was working fine all day at work today.
[19:51] <mrtimdog> If I just lift just a corner of the laptop the screen blanks and stays that way until reboot. Doesn't look good!
[19:52] <mrtimdog> Looks like it's beer time then :)
[20:21] <mikelapy> ok sound working ,ndiswrapper/wifi working ,,,shaping up well
[20:22] <mikelapy> Can anyone tell me as to the oem option on boot?
[20:22] <mikelapy> from live cd
[20:23] <mikkael> are the l-r-m for 2.6.24 available yet ?
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> I don't see them on my mirror - If you need a module just build it
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> (I only use xsvc and trunk madwifi so its not too bad)
[20:25] <DanaG> NVIDIA won't build on 2.6.24.
[20:25] <mikkael> thats what i need ;)
[20:25] <mikelapy> h3sp4wn, madwifi does not support my atheros chip as yet
[20:25] <bardyr> DanaG, try the latest beta?
[20:25] <DanaG> FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'pv_cpu_ops'
[20:26] <DanaG> I don't feel like configuring and compiling a kernel right now.
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: if its one of those 5007 ones there is a patch for madwifi but it won't be integrated as it breaks the hal on all other targets
[20:27] <mikelapy> h3sp4wn, Hardy is still shaping up well ,sound ,,wifi etc all working :)
[20:27] <mikelapy> "ndiswrapper"
[20:28] <mikelapy> New laptops are always a challenge
[20:29] <DanaG> I wonder if I'd have a use for an OLPC laptop.
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: Depends how carefully you choose them
[20:29] <DanaG> And I wish it were available in orange, and not just green.
[20:30] <mikelapy> h3sp4wn, What do you recommend ?
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: Something that is supported well
[20:32]  * DanaG is glad to have ipw3945.
[20:32] <mikelapy> h3sp4wn, Its not easy when I am looking for atheros/Nvidia in the same laptop
[20:32] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: just look around a bit - I managed to get one of the last lot of factory refurb ibm thinkpad's and its very well supported
[20:32] <DanaG> Oddly, the iwl3945 driver seems to have a lower range than the ipw3945 driver.
[20:34] <mikelapy> h3sp4wn, Thats where live cd's are so good :)
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: never tested it before hand - just researched it a bit
[20:36] <mikelapy> This new one has an atheros chip ,,I thought "sweet" but not so
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: You could just find out what the linux kernel hackers are using (i.e Andrew Morton (mm kernel)) - For Solaris most of them use acer ferrari's
[20:38] <mikelapy> h3sp4wn, ok I was told HP is well supported
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: apparantly if it breaks -mm's laptop it cannot go into his tree, therefore cannot go to Linus's tree
[20:40] <mikelapy> I like asus but very expensive
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> mikelapy: even if hp's were well supported then which hp
[20:41] <mikelapy> You like amd or pentium,,,core2?
[20:50] <mikelapy> Can I change "menu' settings without using kcontrol,,It is empty :)
[20:56] <DanaG> Hmm, I found out an EXTREMELY UGLY HACK way of making nvidia compile.
[20:56] <DanaG> But for some reason, 2.6.24 is actually subjectively less responsive than 2.6.22.
[20:57] <h3sp4wn> It is not for me (and 2.6.22 wants to keep my fans on all the time when its totally unnecessary)
[20:58] <DanaG>   29.7% (242.1)      <kernel IPI> : Rescheduling interrupts
[20:59] <DanaG> That's from powertop.
[21:01] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what -rc version is the Ubuntu kernel mostly based on?
[21:01] <DanaG> Suggestion: Enable SATA ALPM link power management via:
[21:01] <DanaG>   echo min_power > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/link_power_management_policy
[21:01] <DanaG> I do that in root shell (sudo -i), I just get "access denied"
[21:02] <DanaG> Oh, no wonder, wrong host.
[21:05] <DanaG> Oh, now I'm getting some high-pitched 'beeping" --- oh wait, that was the timer in the oven.
[21:06] <DanaG> I was freaking out thinking it might be my CPU or my hard drive making odd noises.
[21:06] <DanaG> s/in the/on the./
[21:06] <DanaG> gaack, hdd spindown too short.
[21:08] <mikelapy> lol
[21:08] <DanaG> OOh, 21.8W.
[21:18] <DanaG> WTF?  Drive is still spinning down way too frequently.
[21:22] <DanaG> I wish the thing would stop spinning down my drive.
[21:22] <DanaG> It's spinning down after only about 5 seconds.
[21:24] <harrisony> I just installed Ubuntu hardy alpha 1 last night, and installed some pacakges, I wake up and then select mark all upgrades in Synaptic and it keeps wanting to remove openoffice.org-base and openoffice.org, I think i narrowed it down to synaptic wanting to upgrade libhsqldb-java
[21:26] <DanaG> Damnit.
[21:28] <harrisony> DanaG: I thought they fixed the hard drive spin down bug in gutsy
[21:29] <DanaG> Somehow, it seems to be spinning down quite immediately.
[21:30] <DanaG> Oh, and somehow 2.6.24 is also less responsive than 2.6.22 -- I'm running two instances of Folding@Home niced to +19, but they're severely slowing down the system somehow.
[21:30] <DanaG> So even typing becomes laggy.
[21:32] <mikelapy> cpu load?,,,$top?
[21:33] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: renice Xorg down a bit
[21:33] <DanaG> Down as in to negative?
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> yeah - With nice 19 I can have make -j 128 with no lag in typing
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> and only 1 cpu - for a while CFS had Xorg at -10 by default
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> there again I have no idea how the nvidia blob is affected by the recent changes
[21:35] <DanaG> +5 seems to do it.
[21:38] <DanaG> er, -5.
[21:39] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, nice
[21:39] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, so CFS is working good?
[21:39] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: It is for what I am doing
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> I want to play with the containers stuff though (so I can have a build user and have anything they do always low priority)
[21:40] <DanaG> Nope, still laggy
[21:41] <DanaG> Still getting my unload count increasing every <10 seconds.
[21:41] <DanaG> er, load cycle count.
[21:42] <h3sp4wn> Could be anything did you run any of the scheduler testing stuff
[21:42] <DanaG> Actually, I know nothing about the scheduler testing.
[21:44] <h3sp4wn> http://people.redhat.com/mingo/cfs-scheduler/tools - run some of the debug stuff in there
[21:45] <DanaG> Right now I'm more concerned about the power cycles, actually.
[21:45] <DanaG> I never paid attention to it when I had the Fujitsu MHV2080BH drive, and that drive is still good (and I got it about 1.5 years ago).
[21:46] <h3sp4wn> Well if it is a problem then its a waste of time mentioning it and then not providing the people who can fix it any information
[21:46] <DanaG> Now I have a Hitachi 7k200, and perhaps that one responds differently to power management.
[21:47] <h3sp4wn> I get 4hrs without any messing around with power management on mine other than I use ondemand when on battery
[21:48] <DanaG> Hmm, I noticed something: spindown time has no effect on the load cycles.
[21:48] <DanaG> It's not spinning down; it's just unloading the heads.
[21:50] <wraund> Guys, I realise Heron is unstable, but on a grade of 1 being uber-bad, and 10 being moderatly stable. what would you give it
[21:50]  * dr_Evil has a 255997 load cycle count on a 12775 hours old hitachi notebook drive in windows
[21:54] <DanaG> Hmm, power-off retract count (the dangerous one) is only 20 for me.  I guess that's how many times I've hard-poweroff'd the machine while the drive was up, since purchasing it.
[21:55] <DanaG> Load cycle count is 7798.
[21:55] <DanaG> I've had this drive since approximately the day before thanksgiving.
[21:56] <dr_Evil> Power-Off_Retract_Count 261, Start_Stop_Count 10362 here, that drive is about 3 years old
[21:56] <dr_Evil> just FYI and comparison
[21:57] <DanaG> Hmm, -B 193 seems to stop the load cycling.
[21:59] <DanaG> yay.
[22:03] <DanaG> Eeh, perhaps I'm better off going back to the default and not worrying about it.
[22:07] <DanaG> Oh, idea: boot Windows and see if that's also affected.
[22:08] <dr_Evil> you might have to power of for changes to take effect
[22:08] <dr_Evil> BIOS might also programm those timer values, you never know
[22:10] <dr_Evil> wraund I would give Heron a 10, but it really depends on you usage pattern and hardware. see (full) topic
[22:10] <DanaG> What's odd to me is that the drive isn't actually spinning down; it's just repeatedly unloading and loading the heads.
[22:10] <dr_Evil> night everyone
[22:10] <wraund> *ponders upgrading his laptop*
[22:11] <wraund> i do need it to be fairly reliable though..
[22:16] <DanaG> Hmm, I purged and reinstalled laptop-mode-tools, and now it's not load-cycle-increasinh.
[22:16] <DanaG> g.
[22:16] <DanaG> I guess I must've tweaked some setting and then forgotten about it.
[23:14] <WildnQIk> I had a file that needed port 6667, i setted it up right on both versions but it works on the graphics version but not the server version. how come ?
[23:34] <cafuego> Offhand, the server version has no graphics and you're using a chat clients that needs X.