| h3sp4wn | Jordan_U: He said alsa-driver 15 fixes it | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Jordan_U | h3sp4wn, I am just saying that if just keeping up to date will solve his problem he might prefer to just wait. | 00:02 |
| thompa | im trying to find the alternative to nwm. seems i cant manually configure | 00:04 |
| turbotorben | hey, when will the kernel be updated in hardy? | 00:14 |
| h3sp4wn | turbotorben: already is (but no restricted modules) | 00:16 |
| turbotorben | h3sp4wn, so how do i install it? | 00:16 |
| turbotorben | i only need support for madwifi, but i'll compile that module from svn anyway | 00:19 |
| h3sp4wn | turbotorben: aptitude / apt-get / dselect however you want | 00:24 |
| turbotorben | h3sp4wn, using update-manager it will not come up? | 00:27 |
| h3sp4wn | turbotorben: No cluw | 00:28 |
| === crdlb_ is now known as crdlb | ||
| askand | Hi! Im curious how the new atidrivers is working? Can someone tell me? | 00:46 |
| === kbrooks is now known as QueenOfGuysWhoGo | ||
| === QueenOfGuysWhoGo is now known as kbrooks | ||
| DarkMageZ | anyone else having problems changing their wallpaper? | 02:36 |
| DanaG | I am. I can't do "add", I have to change it through Nautilus. | 02:40 |
| DarkMageZ | ah. thanks for reminding me of the other method | 02:42 |
| mikelapy | h3sp4wn, alsa-source module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa | 03:00 |
| mikelapy | All worked well :) | 03:00 |
| mikelapy | Sound also worked on kernel ,,,24.1 | 03:00 |
| mikelapy | but not needed | 03:00 |
| mikelapy | 2.6.22-14-generic is now working fine,only wifi to sort but not urgent at the mo | 03:02 |
| mikelapy | Control Centre "kcontrol" is all but empty :) | 03:05 |
| mikelapy | Still going well for such an early stage of development | 03:05 |
| DanaG | Hmm, 2.6.24 doesn't let me build nvidia. Bummer. | 04:20 |
| RAOF | Hm. l-r- | 04:22 |
| RAOF | l-r-m-2.6.24 has been uploaded, maybe check that :) | 04:22 |
| hydrogen | more symbols were marked gpl-only I believe | 04:23 |
| DanaG | pv_cpu_ops | 04:23 |
| hydrogen | yea.. xen stuffs | 04:23 |
| DanaG | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102652 | 04:23 |
| RAOF | ...and ftbfs on amd64 :( | 04:24 |
| DanaG | I find it odd that the nvidia driver even uses virtualization stuff. | 04:24 |
| DanaG | I mean, is an NVIDIA gpu going to ever be virtualized? I doubt it. | 04:24 |
| === mike is now known as oshiii-_^ | ||
| DanaG | WTF? | 05:24 |
| DanaG | middle mouse is trying to paste stuff in Firefox, despite me having set middlemouse.paste to false. | 05:24 |
| DanaG | WTF? | 05:24 |
| DanaG | Somehow, my preferences are being reset every time I start Firefox. | 05:25 |
| DanaG | WTF? | 05:25 |
| cafuego | DanaG: 's what X does. | 05:25 |
| DanaG | Well, I don't like Firefox absent-mindedly resetting my preferences. | 05:26 |
| DanaG | I'll go to about:config and find that middlemouse.paste has randomly been set to true. | 05:26 |
| LimCore | DanaG: pehras kikll all ffox instances | 05:26 |
| DanaG | And horizontal-scroll will have been reset to go back and forward. | 05:26 |
| DanaG | Is there any way to FORCE a specific preference to be applied? | 05:27 |
| DanaG | I put the options in /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/firefox.js but they seem to be ignored. | 05:27 |
| DanaG | aah, user.js. | 05:36 |
| DanaG | That's what I needed. | 05:36 |
| DanaG | http://www.mozilla.org/catalog/end-user/customizing/briefprefs.html | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | user.js, as usual... | 05:37 |
| DanaG | I'd only ever seen prefs.js in my profile. | 05:40 |
| gary4gar | hello guys! | 05:40 |
| DanaG | Here's the complication: I share my Firefox profile with Windows, also. | 05:41 |
| gary4gar | when i add a entry in resolve.conf & it automatically disappears on a restart, how to stop this :o | 05:42 |
| DanaG | Look in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf | 05:43 |
| DanaG | If you want an entry to take precedence, it's "prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; | 05:43 |
| DanaG | where you rep;ace the ip with whatever you want, and leave out the quotes. | 05:44 |
| gary4gar | i already added prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1 in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf :S | 05:44 |
| gary4gar | it should take it & but its not taking | 05:44 |
| gary4gar | sounds weird to me | 05:44 |
| DanaG | Odd. | 05:45 |
| DanaG | I also use NetworkManager, and don't have entries in the 'interfaces' file for the interfaces. | 05:45 |
| gary4gar | DanaG, the network-admin in hardy is broken, its also a reported bug | 05:46 |
| gary4gar | DanaG, any possible culprit you would suggest? | 05:48 |
| DanaG | Hmm, I don't have any other ideas right now. | 05:50 |
| gary4gar | nice | 05:52 |
| compwiz18 | gary4gar: if you don't ever change dns servers, you can chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf | 05:53 |
| gary4gar | compwiz18, but thats a bad practice anyway , also i don't think its chattr is supported | 05:54 |
| gary4gar | maybe i would try your method for time being, but it this reversible ? | 05:55 |
| compwiz18 | yeah. chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf | 05:55 |
| gary4gar | and how to reverse it? | 05:56 |
| compwiz18 | its better to find a way to fix it if you can, instead of making it immutable | 05:56 |
| compwiz18 | chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf | 05:56 |
| gary4gar | yeah | 05:56 |
| gary4gar | i am thinking that | 05:56 |
| compwiz18 | chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf # <-- reverses | 05:56 |
| gary4gar | does the harsh '#' makes the difference ? | 05:57 |
| compwiz18 | no, I just put that in so it comments out the end of the line in the shell | 05:58 |
| compwiz18 | chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf | 05:58 |
| compwiz18 | is all you need | 05:58 |
| gary4gar | ok its like toggle on or off? | 05:58 |
| gary4gar | the same command turns off & turn ON | 05:59 |
| gary4gar | am i correct? | 05:59 |
| compwiz18 | if you change the "-" to a "+" it sets it | 05:59 |
| compwiz18 | otherwise, the "-" removes it | 06:00 |
| compwiz18 | http://linuxreviews.org/man/chattr/ | 06:00 |
| gary4gar | okay..reading it | 06:00 |
| compwiz18 | it can explain better then me | 06:00 |
| gary4gar | nice informative link | 06:02 |
| gary4gar | but this command only works on older FS | 06:02 |
| gary4gar | AFAIK, In ext4 there is not support for it | 06:02 |
| compwiz18 | you using ext4 then? | 06:03 |
| compwiz18 | I don't know if it is works or not... | 06:04 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, perhaps the presence of the device in 'interfaces' may be confusing something, if you're also using networkmanager. | 06:06 |
| gary4gar | DanaG, how to check? | 06:06 |
| DanaG | Try commenting out any stuff about eth0 or eth1 or wlan0 (or whatever interface) in /etc/network/interfaces | 06:07 |
| DanaG | And before you reboot, try at least just doing 'sudo dhclient eth0' or whatever interface. | 06:08 |
| gary4gar | in /etc/network/interfaces, its using static whereas i remember editing the file to dhcp but dunno how everything gets restored automatically , now it looks like this | 06:11 |
| gary4gar | http://pastebin.com/d17afc601 | 06:11 |
| DanaG | Hmm, that might do it -- if it's not dhcp'd, then who knows where it gets its DNS server info from... | 06:18 |
| askand | How is ati working in hardy now? | 06:57 |
| gary4gar | DarkMageZ, removed network-manager and network-manager-gnome & its working fine now, | 07:05 |
| gary4gar | that solves many such unexpected things! | 07:05 |
| gary4gar | thanks for your help :) | 07:05 |
| gary4gar | compwiz18, thanks for your help :) | 07:06 |
| === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ | ||
| bardyr | hey | 08:34 |
| bardyr | !info linux-generic-image | 08:34 |
| ubotu | Package linux-generic-image does not exist in hardy | 08:34 |
| bardyr | !info linux-image-generic | 08:34 |
| ubotu | linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB | 08:34 |
| mikelapy | bardyr, huh i installed it today | 08:44 |
| bardyr | mikelapy, im waiting to they get 2.26.24 (complete) | 08:45 |
| bardyr | 2.6.24* | 08:45 |
| tonyyarusso | So I just attempted an upgrade, and I'm getting errors on the slocate package involving remaining diversions. Has anyone else seen that? | 09:22 |
| DarkMageZ | tonyyarusso, i get that on a clean hardy alpha 1 install when attempting to update that package | 09:23 |
| tonyyarusso | DarkMageZ: were you able to work around it somehow? | 09:24 |
| DarkMageZ | i haven't been bothered. it's hardy :P | 09:25 |
| tonyyarusso | hehe | 09:26 |
| tonyyarusso | wish I knew how diversions worked.. | 09:27 |
| tonyyarusso | I've had a kernel bug open for the last three releases or so, and got a message that it might be fixed with the latest version, so I was going to attempt to test it for them. | 09:27 |
| DarkMageZ | my gutsy install imploded. so i backed up and formatted. now i'm running hardy on my production machine. | 09:29 |
| tonyyarusso | eep | 09:30 |
| tonyyarusso | You're insane | 09:30 |
| DarkMageZ | pff, i used to run debian with the experimental repository on and latest version preferred set. | 09:30 |
| DarkMageZ | ...hmm, that update is probably a very bad idea atm... i'll hold off. | 09:31 |
| tonyyarusso | well, it's 3:30 AM, so I think I'll just go update my Gutsy partition and go to bed. | 09:32 |
| tonyyarusso | See y'alls later | 09:32 |
| DarkMageZ | have fun | 09:32 |
| hit | hi, anyone can tell why i can't login to gnome? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47941/ | 10:40 |
| ikonia | hit: are you running this in a virtual machine by anychance | 10:41 |
| hit | nope | 10:41 |
| ikonia | hit: looks like a video / hardware interaction issue | 10:42 |
| ikonia | curious to the "non-local display" error | 10:42 |
| hit | i can rarely log in, but then i screen freezes often | 10:43 |
| hit | everything runs, i can even move cursor, but anything else is freezed | 10:43 |
| ikonia | hit: what video card do you have and what drivers ? | 10:43 |
| hit | i.e music keeps playing | 10:43 |
| hit | ati radeon 9550 | 10:43 |
| hit | ati drivers | 10:43 |
| ikonia | hit: Hmmmm I know little about the ati drivers, | 10:44 |
| ikonia | hit: the ati drivers from ati.com or package with the hardy repo's | 10:44 |
| ikonia | I assume the hady repos | 10:44 |
| hit | repos yes | 10:44 |
| hit | they worked fine in gutsy, but not after upgrade | 10:44 |
| ikonia | I'm not your man on ati, sorry, but that looks like hardware errors, the fact that your whole machine freezes and the sound loops may also suggest a hardwre error | 10:44 |
| ikonia | or hardware incompatability with hardy | 10:45 |
| ikonia | hit: hardy is in early development, it may be broke | 10:45 |
| hit | quess i'll have to wait then | 10:45 |
| ikonia | hit: things will work in gutsy because that is stable, hardy is not for general use | 10:45 |
| ikonia | hit: hardy should be being used for actual "usage" | 10:45 |
| hit | anywhere to look after for hardware errors? | 10:46 |
| ikonia | hit: well that log is pretty damming | 10:46 |
| ikonia | hit: any specific reason your evaluatiing the hardy packages ? | 10:46 |
| ikonia | evaluating even | 10:47 |
| hit | didn't understand.. | 10:48 |
| ikonia | hit: why are you using the unstable development hardy packages | 10:49 |
| hit | ah | 10:49 |
| hit | just wanted to test it :p | 10:50 |
| ikonia | hit: I'm asking as if you need this system you could be waiting a while to get this working as it may be broke on purpose for a development reason | 10:50 |
| hit | and see if it's ok already | 10:50 |
| ikonia | hit: ok, just be aware that this could be broke for a reason and for a while | 10:51 |
| hit | atm i'm either way forced to use windows because of some programs i need, so i'll just wait then | 10:51 |
| hit | ok, thanks anyway | 10:53 |
| hit | btw in Xorg.0.log it says: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 | 10:54 |
| DarkMageZ | hit, if you disable aiglx then the problem could possibly disappear. | 11:27 |
| hit | will compiz run then? | 11:27 |
| DarkMageZ | nope. but if that's the problem then it'll give you a non freezy system | 11:28 |
| hit | ok | 11:28 |
| DarkMageZ | and a place to start debugging | 11:28 |
| hit | just noticed new file in home dir | 11:28 |
| hit | .xsession-errors | 11:28 |
| hit | Refusing to initialize GTK+. | 11:29 |
| DarkMageZ | ooo. odd. | 11:29 |
| hit | SESSION_MANAGER=local/hit:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6038 | 11:29 |
| hit | wrong paste | 11:29 |
| hit | SESSION_MANAGER=local/hit:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6038 | 11:29 |
| hit | heh | 11:29 |
| hit | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47943/ whole file | 11:30 |
| DarkMageZ | i'm running an ati 9600se on the ati drivers from hardy | 11:30 |
| hit | and no problems? | 11:30 |
| DarkMageZ | no graphics related problems. wow. why's gtk trying to run as root.. | 11:31 |
| DarkMageZ | that's beyond me. | 11:31 |
| hit | how do you know if it wants to run as root? | 11:32 |
| DarkMageZ | the xsessions-errors log says it. that's trippy. i'd say backup and go for the clean install. | 11:33 |
| hit | not yet.. :p | 11:34 |
| DarkMageZ | well. whatever happens. i'd like to hear how you resolve that one. | 11:34 |
| hit | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/146730 | 11:35 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 146730 in kde-guidance "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore: 11: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore: not found" [Medium,Fix released] | 11:35 |
| hit | a bug reported from gutsy | 11:35 |
| hit | and in hardy too | 11:38 |
| DarkMageZ | Hobbsee, Hey! | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 11:40 |
| DarkMageZ | Hobbsee, i'm running hardy as my primary o/s. so have fun uploading new packages ? | 11:42 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:43 |
| * DarkMageZ invisions xorg from git & svn kde4. | 11:44 | |
| === gaurish is now known as gary4gar | ||
| hit | i don't know if it changed anything or just a lucky strike again but i changed driver from "ati" to "radeon" and here i am | 13:04 |
| nanonyme | hmm | 13:05 |
| nanonyme | i wonder if ati is the open one and radeon the closed one | 13:06 |
| nanonyme | sounds like X breakage if it's that way | 13:06 |
| nanonyme | that is, the open driver comes with X | 13:06 |
| awalton__ | ati is the old old one, radeon is for anything that's a radeon, fglrx is the closed one | 13:06 |
| nanonyme | ah | 13:06 |
| awalton__ | ati is for the 10 people left in the world using ati rage cards | 13:07 |
| hit | so i should use radeon | 13:07 |
| nanonyme | probably yes | 13:07 |
| awalton__ | yes | 13:07 |
| hit | let's see then if it freezes again.. | 13:07 |
| nanonyme | awalton__, is the new one radeonhd in xorg.conf? | 13:08 |
| awalton__ | yeah, for everything 500+ | 13:08 |
| awalton__ | (which is kinda silly if you ask me, but that's how novell wanted to do it) | 13:08 |
| slytherin | is anyone using fm radio plugin of rhythmbox? | 13:13 |
| === Gunirus is now known as [Gunirus] | ||
| hit | 3 successful logins isn't just luck so radeon must be working | 13:14 |
| hit | except i'm missing gnome panel now | 13:14 |
| hit | got it | 13:16 |
| hit | still keeps freezing | 13:40 |
| hit | !info xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd | 13:49 |
| hit | :p | 13:49 |
| ubotu | xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd: X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1 (hardy), package size 129 kB, installed size 320 kB | 13:49 |
| hit | ah | 13:49 |
| === Hobbsee is now known as Peer | ||
| === Peer is now known as Hobbsee | ||
| zzats | is the BadAlloc xorg bug fixed in hardy? | 14:30 |
| === valles_ is now known as effie_jayx | ||
| mohkohn | Is virtualbox-ose broken with the 2.6.24 kernel? | 14:48 |
| Hobbsee | likely, i suspect | 14:49 |
| mohkohn | so queries more likely needed for #virtualbox | 14:51 |
| JensenDied | is there a reccomended way to create a debootstrapped(or similar) into a bootable iso similar to release ones? | 14:51 |
| mohkohn | From the #vbox "the OSE SVN version should [work with 2.6.24], and also 1.5.4 when it's released." | 15:02 |
| mohkohn | so soon :) | 15:03 |
| mohkohn | thanks and good night | 15:03 |
| skyfalcon866 | does hardy have the latest kernel yet | 15:37 |
| crdlb | !info linux-image-generic | 15:37 |
| ubotu | linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB | 15:38 |
| heikki | !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic | 15:41 |
| ubotu | linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-1.2 (hardy), package size 19272 kB, installed size 66196 kB | 15:41 |
| crdlb | doh | 15:41 |
| h3sp4wn | With Solaris in order to get my dhcp server to send the same ip address whether I am using wired or wireless (using nwam) I can add the CLIENT_ID to /etc/default/dhcpagent | 16:25 |
| h3sp4wn | How can I do something similar with network manager (without hard coding the mac address if at all possible) | 16:25 |
| thx_-_ | hello guys | 16:57 |
| thx_-_ | i moved from Debian to Ubuntu Gutsy, and for some mysterious reason there is a delay of 1-2 seconds till an application starts. any ideas? | 16:57 |
| Tomcat_ | thx_-_: #ubuntu, this is for hardy | 17:01 |
| thx_-_ | what? | 17:17 |
| thx_-_ | ah, i get it | 17:18 |
| === Zdra_ is now known as Zdra | ||
| mrtimdog | After not touching anything for a while (hardy+gnome), my (laptop t42) screen goes blank and I can't do anything on the laptop to unblank it. I can still ssh onto it so I'm not sure if this is a BIOS setting or something seem before? | 18:52 |
| h3sp4wn | mrtimdog: What graphics card drivers are you using | 18:52 |
| mrtimdog | Can't switch to a tty either. | 18:52 |
| mrtimdog | Hi. It's the default for ATI Radeon M? 7500. | 18:52 |
| mrtimdog | Driver "ati" | 18:53 |
| === kristian43 is now known as krzulu | ||
| mrtimdog | ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] | 18:53 |
| mrtimdog | It's ok until it's left for a while, not sure how long. I'll just restart gdm... | 18:53 |
| h3sp4wn | mrtimdog: Interesting I have had no such issues with my X31 | 18:54 |
| h3sp4wn | (video card is very similar) | 18:54 |
| mrtimdog | Ah, hang on. Xorg proc gone mental. | 18:54 |
| h3sp4wn | Haven't really had too many issues at all yet - but I also have 133 packages that can be upgraded hmmm | 18:56 |
| krzulu | After booting my laptop (hardy, all the latest updates), my keyboard & desktop locks up after a few minutes. The only thing I could do was power off. I installed sss-server and it turns out I am able to ssh in to the machine. top reveals the process "compiz.real" eating most of my cpu.When I killed it, everything came back to normal (and has since not happened in this session). Is this a bug... | 18:58 |
| krzulu | ...I should report ? | 18:58 |
| stgraber | krzulu: compiz going crazy and eating all your CPU is a known issue, not sure we have a bug opened though | 18:59 |
| krzulu | Its not simply eating all my cpu but its also totally unresponsive so I couldnt do anything from local machine. Any known workaround ? | 19:00 |
| stgraber | krzulu: turn off compiz | 19:02 |
| stgraber | krzulu: only workaround I heard of (and what I currently do) | 19:02 |
| stgraber | it appeared with last compiz updates | 19:02 |
| krzulu | stgraber: Thanks. Should I report this as a bug ? (I know this may be a stupid question but I'm new to using IRC for help and maybe everyone knows this and I am the last person on planet earth to see this bug) | 19:04 |
| mrtimdog | My screen's gone blank again. I rebooted and left it at the gdm prompt for a couple of mins, the screen blanked and I can't do anything on the laptop itself again. | 19:06 |
| mrtimdog | I can still SSH in. Any clues which logs may hold a clue? | 19:06 |
| stgraber | krzulu: bug 175744 seems to match yours (and mine) | 19:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 175744 in compiz "Hardy freezes when using compiz" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175744 | 19:07 |
| === Martinp24 is now known as Martinp23 | ||
| seezer | mrtimdog: /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 19:15 |
| seezer | mrtimdog: or `dmesg` perhaps | 19:15 |
| seezer | but have to go.. bye | 19:17 |
| mrtimdog | Thanks. Couldn't see anything in those. I'm hoping not, but it may be a BIOS thing on my part. Just experimenting with a few things... | 19:17 |
| krzulu | stgraber:/ubotu Thanks for excellent help! | 19:18 |
| h3sp4wn | mrtimdog: Are you running the latest bios ? | 19:18 |
| mrtimdog | Good point. I'm not sure... | 19:18 |
| h3sp4wn | mrtimdog: If its not too much of a pita then may as well upgrade it | 19:19 |
| mrtimdog | h3sp4wn:Thanks, just checking it... | 19:20 |
| h3sp4wn | (It was a waste of time for me - messing around making a dos bootcd that could read the cd drive and then copy what it needs from the cd into a ramdisk and then unload the cd drivers (to get enough base memory) from linux was not fun | 19:21 |
| mrtimdog | h3sp4wn: Did you succeed? | 19:26 |
| h3sp4wn | mrtimdog: I did - I don't think it was worth the effort though | 19:26 |
| mrtimdog | I'll try it for a few minutes and leave it as is if I haven't succeeded by then! :) | 19:27 |
| h3sp4wn | mrtimdog: If leverno has a bootable cdrom for your model then may as well just do it | 19:28 |
| mrtimdog | Couldn't see one, just the little pesky floppy things. | 19:28 |
| h3sp4wn | Do you have a floppy ? (My ultrabase only has a dvd) | 19:29 |
| mrtimdog | Mine too. | 19:29 |
| mrtimdog | USB ones apparently done work, not that I've got one handy, | 19:30 |
| h3sp4wn | I wonder what ubuntu would think if I used the dock with the pci slot and another type of video card | 19:30 |
| mrtimdog | Ok, I think it's a problem with my latop, not Ubuntu. Motherboard is screwed :( | 19:48 |
| h3sp4wn | mrtimdog: Do you use compiz on that laptop ? | 19:49 |
| mrtimdog | I did, yes. That was working fine all day at work today. | 19:50 |
| mrtimdog | If I just lift just a corner of the laptop the screen blanks and stays that way until reboot. Doesn't look good! | 19:51 |
| mrtimdog | Looks like it's beer time then :) | 19:52 |
| mikelapy | ok sound working ,ndiswrapper/wifi working ,,,shaping up well | 20:21 |
| mikelapy | Can anyone tell me as to the oem option on boot? | 20:22 |
| mikelapy | from live cd | 20:22 |
| mikkael | are the l-r-m for 2.6.24 available yet ? | 20:23 |
| h3sp4wn | I don't see them on my mirror - If you need a module just build it | 20:24 |
| h3sp4wn | (I only use xsvc and trunk madwifi so its not too bad) | 20:24 |
| DanaG | NVIDIA won't build on 2.6.24. | 20:25 |
| mikkael | thats what i need ;) | 20:25 |
| mikelapy | h3sp4wn, madwifi does not support my atheros chip as yet | 20:25 |
| bardyr | DanaG, try the latest beta? | 20:25 |
| DanaG | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'pv_cpu_ops' | 20:25 |
| DanaG | I don't feel like configuring and compiling a kernel right now. | 20:26 |
| h3sp4wn | mikelapy: if its one of those 5007 ones there is a patch for madwifi but it won't be integrated as it breaks the hal on all other targets | 20:26 |
| mikelapy | h3sp4wn, Hardy is still shaping up well ,sound ,,wifi etc all working :) | 20:27 |
| mikelapy | "ndiswrapper" | 20:27 |
| mikelapy | New laptops are always a challenge | 20:28 |
| DanaG | I wonder if I'd have a use for an OLPC laptop. | 20:29 |
| h3sp4wn | mikelapy: Depends how carefully you choose them | 20:29 |
| DanaG | And I wish it were available in orange, and not just green. | 20:29 |
| mikelapy | h3sp4wn, What do you recommend ? | 20:30 |
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| h3sp4wn | mikelapy: Something that is supported well | 20:31 |
| * DanaG is glad to have ipw3945. | 20:32 | |
| mikelapy | h3sp4wn, Its not easy when I am looking for atheros/Nvidia in the same laptop | 20:32 |
| h3sp4wn | mikelapy: just look around a bit - I managed to get one of the last lot of factory refurb ibm thinkpad's and its very well supported | 20:32 |
| DanaG | Oddly, the iwl3945 driver seems to have a lower range than the ipw3945 driver. | 20:32 |
| mikelapy | h3sp4wn, Thats where live cd's are so good :) | 20:34 |
| h3sp4wn | mikelapy: never tested it before hand - just researched it a bit | 20:34 |
| mikelapy | This new one has an atheros chip ,,I thought "sweet" but not so | 20:36 |
| h3sp4wn | mikelapy: You could just find out what the linux kernel hackers are using (i.e Andrew Morton (mm kernel)) - For Solaris most of them use acer ferrari's | 20:38 |
| mikelapy | h3sp4wn, ok I was told HP is well supported | 20:38 |
| h3sp4wn | mikelapy: apparantly if it breaks -mm's laptop it cannot go into his tree, therefore cannot go to Linus's tree | 20:39 |
| mikelapy | I like asus but very expensive | 20:40 |
| h3sp4wn | mikelapy: even if hp's were well supported then which hp | 20:40 |
| mikelapy | You like amd or pentium,,,core2? | 20:41 |
| mikelapy | Can I change "menu' settings without using kcontrol,,It is empty :) | 20:50 |
| DanaG | Hmm, I found out an EXTREMELY UGLY HACK way of making nvidia compile. | 20:56 |
| DanaG | But for some reason, 2.6.24 is actually subjectively less responsive than 2.6.22. | 20:56 |
| h3sp4wn | It is not for me (and 2.6.22 wants to keep my fans on all the time when its totally unnecessary) | 20:57 |
| DanaG | 29.7% (242.1) <kernel IPI> : Rescheduling interrupts | 20:58 |
| DanaG | That's from powertop. | 20:59 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, what -rc version is the Ubuntu kernel mostly based on? | 21:01 |
| DanaG | Suggestion: Enable SATA ALPM link power management via: | 21:01 |
| DanaG | echo min_power > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/link_power_management_policy | 21:01 |
| DanaG | I do that in root shell (sudo -i), I just get "access denied" | 21:01 |
| DanaG | Oh, no wonder, wrong host. | 21:02 |
| DanaG | Oh, now I'm getting some high-pitched 'beeping" --- oh wait, that was the timer in the oven. | 21:05 |
| DanaG | I was freaking out thinking it might be my CPU or my hard drive making odd noises. | 21:06 |
| DanaG | s/in the/on the./ | 21:06 |
| DanaG | gaack, hdd spindown too short. | 21:06 |
| mikelapy | lol | 21:08 |
| DanaG | OOh, 21.8W. | 21:08 |
| DanaG | WTF? Drive is still spinning down way too frequently. | 21:18 |
| DanaG | I wish the thing would stop spinning down my drive. | 21:22 |
| DanaG | It's spinning down after only about 5 seconds. | 21:22 |
| harrisony | I just installed Ubuntu hardy alpha 1 last night, and installed some pacakges, I wake up and then select mark all upgrades in Synaptic and it keeps wanting to remove openoffice.org-base and openoffice.org, I think i narrowed it down to synaptic wanting to upgrade libhsqldb-java | 21:24 |
| DanaG | Damnit. | 21:26 |
| harrisony | DanaG: I thought they fixed the hard drive spin down bug in gutsy | 21:28 |
| DanaG | Somehow, it seems to be spinning down quite immediately. | 21:29 |
| DanaG | Oh, and somehow 2.6.24 is also less responsive than 2.6.22 -- I'm running two instances of Folding@Home niced to +19, but they're severely slowing down the system somehow. | 21:30 |
| DanaG | So even typing becomes laggy. | 21:30 |
| mikelapy | cpu load?,,,$top? | 21:32 |
| h3sp4wn | DanaG: renice Xorg down a bit | 21:33 |
| DanaG | Down as in to negative? | 21:33 |
| h3sp4wn | yeah - With nice 19 I can have make -j 128 with no lag in typing | 21:34 |
| h3sp4wn | and only 1 cpu - for a while CFS had Xorg at -10 by default | 21:34 |
| h3sp4wn | there again I have no idea how the nvidia blob is affected by the recent changes | 21:35 |
| DanaG | +5 seems to do it. | 21:35 |
| DanaG | er, -5. | 21:38 |
| bardyr | h3sp4wn, nice | 21:39 |
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| bardyr | h3sp4wn, so CFS is working good? | 21:39 |
| h3sp4wn | bardyr: It is for what I am doing | 21:39 |
| h3sp4wn | I want to play with the containers stuff though (so I can have a build user and have anything they do always low priority) | 21:40 |
| DanaG | Nope, still laggy | 21:40 |
| DanaG | Still getting my unload count increasing every <10 seconds. | 21:41 |
| DanaG | er, load cycle count. | 21:41 |
| h3sp4wn | Could be anything did you run any of the scheduler testing stuff | 21:42 |
| DanaG | Actually, I know nothing about the scheduler testing. | 21:42 |
| h3sp4wn | http://people.redhat.com/mingo/cfs-scheduler/tools - run some of the debug stuff in there | 21:44 |
| DanaG | Right now I'm more concerned about the power cycles, actually. | 21:45 |
| === dos5gw is now known as dr_Evil | ||
| DanaG | I never paid attention to it when I had the Fujitsu MHV2080BH drive, and that drive is still good (and I got it about 1.5 years ago). | 21:45 |
| h3sp4wn | Well if it is a problem then its a waste of time mentioning it and then not providing the people who can fix it any information | 21:46 |
| DanaG | Now I have a Hitachi 7k200, and perhaps that one responds differently to power management. | 21:46 |
| h3sp4wn | I get 4hrs without any messing around with power management on mine other than I use ondemand when on battery | 21:47 |
| DanaG | Hmm, I noticed something: spindown time has no effect on the load cycles. | 21:48 |
| DanaG | It's not spinning down; it's just unloading the heads. | 21:48 |
| wraund | Guys, I realise Heron is unstable, but on a grade of 1 being uber-bad, and 10 being moderatly stable. what would you give it | 21:50 |
| * dr_Evil has a 255997 load cycle count on a 12775 hours old hitachi notebook drive in windows | 21:50 | |
| DanaG | Hmm, power-off retract count (the dangerous one) is only 20 for me. I guess that's how many times I've hard-poweroff'd the machine while the drive was up, since purchasing it. | 21:54 |
| DanaG | Load cycle count is 7798. | 21:55 |
| DanaG | I've had this drive since approximately the day before thanksgiving. | 21:55 |
| dr_Evil | Power-Off_Retract_Count 261, Start_Stop_Count 10362 here, that drive is about 3 years old | 21:56 |
| dr_Evil | just FYI and comparison | 21:56 |
| DanaG | Hmm, -B 193 seems to stop the load cycling. | 21:57 |
| DanaG | yay. | 21:59 |
| DanaG | Eeh, perhaps I'm better off going back to the default and not worrying about it. | 22:03 |
| DanaG | Oh, idea: boot Windows and see if that's also affected. | 22:07 |
| dr_Evil | you might have to power of for changes to take effect | 22:08 |
| dr_Evil | BIOS might also programm those timer values, you never know | 22:08 |
| dr_Evil | wraund I would give Heron a 10, but it really depends on you usage pattern and hardware. see (full) topic | 22:10 |
| DanaG | What's odd to me is that the drive isn't actually spinning down; it's just repeatedly unloading and loading the heads. | 22:10 |
| dr_Evil | night everyone | 22:10 |
| wraund | *ponders upgrading his laptop* | 22:10 |
| wraund | i do need it to be fairly reliable though.. | 22:11 |
| DanaG | Hmm, I purged and reinstalled laptop-mode-tools, and now it's not load-cycle-increasinh. | 22:16 |
| DanaG | g. | 22:16 |
| DanaG | I guess I must've tweaked some setting and then forgotten about it. | 22:16 |
| WildnQIk | I had a file that needed port 6667, i setted it up right on both versions but it works on the graphics version but not the server version. how come ? | 23:14 |
| cafuego | Offhand, the server version has no graphics and you're using a chat clients that needs X. | 23:34 |
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