[00:01] Jordan_U: He said alsa-driver 15 fixes it [00:02] h3sp4wn, I am just saying that if just keeping up to date will solve his problem he might prefer to just wait. [00:04] im trying to find the alternative to nwm. seems i cant manually configure [00:14] hey, when will the kernel be updated in hardy? [00:16] turbotorben: already is (but no restricted modules) [00:16] h3sp4wn, so how do i install it? [00:19] i only need support for madwifi, but i'll compile that module from svn anyway [00:24] turbotorben: aptitude / apt-get / dselect however you want [00:27] h3sp4wn, using update-manager it will not come up? [00:28] turbotorben: No cluw === crdlb_ is now known as crdlb [00:46] Hi! Im curious how the new atidrivers is working? Can someone tell me? === kbrooks is now known as QueenOfGuysWhoGo === QueenOfGuysWhoGo is now known as kbrooks [02:36] anyone else having problems changing their wallpaper? [02:40] I am. I can't do "add", I have to change it through Nautilus. [02:42] ah. thanks for reminding me of the other method [03:00] h3sp4wn, alsa-source module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa [03:00] All worked well :) [03:00] Sound also worked on kernel ,,,24.1 [03:00] but not needed [03:02] 2.6.22-14-generic is now working fine,only wifi to sort but not urgent at the mo [03:05] Control Centre "kcontrol" is all but empty :) [03:05] Still going well for such an early stage of development [04:20] Hmm, 2.6.24 doesn't let me build nvidia. Bummer. [04:22] Hm. l-r- [04:22] l-r-m-2.6.24 has been uploaded, maybe check that :) [04:23] more symbols were marked gpl-only I believe [04:23] pv_cpu_ops [04:23] yea.. xen stuffs [04:23] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102652 [04:24] ...and ftbfs on amd64 :( [04:24] I find it odd that the nvidia driver even uses virtualization stuff. [04:24] I mean, is an NVIDIA gpu going to ever be virtualized? I doubt it. === mike is now known as oshiii-_^ [05:24] WTF? [05:24] middle mouse is trying to paste stuff in Firefox, despite me having set middlemouse.paste to false. [05:24] WTF? [05:25] Somehow, my preferences are being reset every time I start Firefox. [05:25] WTF? [05:25] DanaG: 's what X does. [05:26] Well, I don't like Firefox absent-mindedly resetting my preferences. [05:26] I'll go to about:config and find that middlemouse.paste has randomly been set to true. [05:26] DanaG: pehras kikll all ffox instances [05:26] And horizontal-scroll will have been reset to go back and forward. [05:27] Is there any way to FORCE a specific preference to be applied? [05:27] I put the options in /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/firefox.js but they seem to be ignored. [05:36] aah, user.js. [05:36] That's what I needed. [05:36] http://www.mozilla.org/catalog/end-user/customizing/briefprefs.html [05:37] user.js, as usual... [05:40] I'd only ever seen prefs.js in my profile. [05:40] hello guys! [05:41] Here's the complication: I share my Firefox profile with Windows, also. [05:42] when i add a entry in resolve.conf & it automatically disappears on a restart, how to stop this :o [05:43] Look in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf [05:43] If you want an entry to take precedence, it's "prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; [05:44] where you rep;ace the ip with whatever you want, and leave out the quotes. [05:44] i already added prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1 in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf :S [05:44] it should take it & but its not taking [05:44] sounds weird to me [05:45] Odd. [05:45] I also use NetworkManager, and don't have entries in the 'interfaces' file for the interfaces. [05:46] DanaG, the network-admin in hardy is broken, its also a reported bug [05:48] DanaG, any possible culprit you would suggest? [05:50] Hmm, I don't have any other ideas right now. [05:52] nice [05:53] gary4gar: if you don't ever change dns servers, you can chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf [05:54] compwiz18, but thats a bad practice anyway , also i don't think its chattr is supported [05:55] maybe i would try your method for time being, but it this reversible ? [05:55] yeah. chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf [05:56] and how to reverse it? [05:56] its better to find a way to fix it if you can, instead of making it immutable [05:56] chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf [05:56] yeah [05:56] i am thinking that [05:56] chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf # <-- reverses [05:57] does the harsh '#' makes the difference ? [05:58] no, I just put that in so it comments out the end of the line in the shell [05:58] chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf [05:58] is all you need [05:58] ok its like toggle on or off? [05:59] the same command turns off & turn ON [05:59] am i correct? [05:59] if you change the "-" to a "+" it sets it [06:00] otherwise, the "-" removes it [06:00] http://linuxreviews.org/man/chattr/ [06:00] okay..reading it [06:00] it can explain better then me [06:02] nice informative link [06:02] but this command only works on older FS [06:02] AFAIK, In ext4 there is not support for it [06:03] you using ext4 then? [06:04] I don't know if it is works or not... [06:06] Oh yeah, perhaps the presence of the device in 'interfaces' may be confusing something, if you're also using networkmanager. [06:06] DanaG, how to check? [06:07] Try commenting out any stuff about eth0 or eth1 or wlan0 (or whatever interface) in /etc/network/interfaces [06:08] And before you reboot, try at least just doing 'sudo dhclient eth0' or whatever interface. [06:11] in /etc/network/interfaces, its using static whereas i remember editing the file to dhcp but dunno how everything gets restored automatically , now it looks like this [06:11] http://pastebin.com/d17afc601 [06:18] Hmm, that might do it -- if it's not dhcp'd, then who knows where it gets its DNS server info from... [06:57] How is ati working in hardy now? [07:05] DarkMageZ, removed network-manager and network-manager-gnome & its working fine now, [07:05] that solves many such unexpected things! [07:05] thanks for your help :) [07:06] compwiz18, thanks for your help :) === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ [08:34] hey [08:34] !info linux-generic-image [08:34] Package linux-generic-image does not exist in hardy [08:34] !info linux-image-generic [08:34] linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB [08:44] bardyr, huh i installed it today [08:45] mikelapy, im waiting to they get 2.26.24 (complete) [08:45] 2.6.24* [09:22] So I just attempted an upgrade, and I'm getting errors on the slocate package involving remaining diversions. Has anyone else seen that? [09:23] tonyyarusso, i get that on a clean hardy alpha 1 install when attempting to update that package [09:24] DarkMageZ: were you able to work around it somehow? [09:25] i haven't been bothered. it's hardy :P [09:26] hehe [09:27] wish I knew how diversions worked.. [09:27] I've had a kernel bug open for the last three releases or so, and got a message that it might be fixed with the latest version, so I was going to attempt to test it for them. [09:29] my gutsy install imploded. so i backed up and formatted. now i'm running hardy on my production machine. [09:30] eep [09:30] You're insane [09:30] pff, i used to run debian with the experimental repository on and latest version preferred set. [09:31] ...hmm, that update is probably a very bad idea atm... i'll hold off. [09:32] well, it's 3:30 AM, so I think I'll just go update my Gutsy partition and go to bed. [09:32] See y'alls later [09:32] have fun [10:40] hi, anyone can tell why i can't login to gnome? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47941/ [10:41] hit: are you running this in a virtual machine by anychance [10:41] nope [10:42] hit: looks like a video / hardware interaction issue [10:42] curious to the "non-local display" error [10:43] i can rarely log in, but then i screen freezes often [10:43] everything runs, i can even move cursor, but anything else is freezed [10:43] hit: what video card do you have and what drivers ? [10:43] i.e music keeps playing [10:43] ati radeon 9550 [10:43] ati drivers [10:44] hit: Hmmmm I know little about the ati drivers, [10:44] hit: the ati drivers from ati.com or package with the hardy repo's [10:44] I assume the hady repos [10:44] repos yes [10:44] they worked fine in gutsy, but not after upgrade [10:44] I'm not your man on ati, sorry, but that looks like hardware errors, the fact that your whole machine freezes and the sound loops may also suggest a hardwre error [10:45] or hardware incompatability with hardy [10:45] hit: hardy is in early development, it may be broke [10:45] quess i'll have to wait then [10:45] hit: things will work in gutsy because that is stable, hardy is not for general use [10:45] hit: hardy should be being used for actual "usage" [10:46] anywhere to look after for hardware errors? [10:46] hit: well that log is pretty damming [10:46] hit: any specific reason your evaluatiing the hardy packages ? [10:47] evaluating even [10:48] didn't understand.. [10:49] hit: why are you using the unstable development hardy packages [10:49] ah [10:50] just wanted to test it :p [10:50] hit: I'm asking as if you need this system you could be waiting a while to get this working as it may be broke on purpose for a development reason [10:50] and see if it's ok already [10:51] hit: ok, just be aware that this could be broke for a reason and for a while [10:51] atm i'm either way forced to use windows because of some programs i need, so i'll just wait then [10:53] ok, thanks anyway [10:54] btw in Xorg.0.log it says: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 [11:27] hit, if you disable aiglx then the problem could possibly disappear. [11:27] will compiz run then? [11:28] nope. but if that's the problem then it'll give you a non freezy system [11:28] ok [11:28] and a place to start debugging [11:28] just noticed new file in home dir [11:28] .xsession-errors [11:29] Refusing to initialize GTK+. [11:29] ooo. odd. [11:29] SESSION_MANAGER=local/hit:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6038 [11:29] wrong paste [11:29] SESSION_MANAGER=local/hit:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6038 [11:29] heh [11:30] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47943/ whole file [11:30] i'm running an ati 9600se on the ati drivers from hardy [11:30] and no problems? [11:31] no graphics related problems. wow. why's gtk trying to run as root.. [11:31] that's beyond me. [11:32] how do you know if it wants to run as root? [11:33] the xsessions-errors log says it. that's trippy. i'd say backup and go for the clean install. [11:34] not yet.. :p [11:34] well. whatever happens. i'd like to hear how you resolve that one. [11:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/146730 [11:35] Launchpad bug 146730 in kde-guidance "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore: 11: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore: not found" [Medium,Fix released] [11:35] a bug reported from gutsy [11:38] and in hardy too [11:40] Hobbsee, Hey! [11:40] heya [11:42] Hobbsee, i'm running hardy as my primary o/s. so have fun uploading new packages ? [11:43] heh [11:44] * DarkMageZ invisions xorg from git & svn kde4. === gaurish is now known as gary4gar [13:04] i don't know if it changed anything or just a lucky strike again but i changed driver from "ati" to "radeon" and here i am [13:05] hmm [13:06] i wonder if ati is the open one and radeon the closed one [13:06] sounds like X breakage if it's that way [13:06] that is, the open driver comes with X [13:06] ati is the old old one, radeon is for anything that's a radeon, fglrx is the closed one [13:06] ah [13:07] ati is for the 10 people left in the world using ati rage cards [13:07] so i should use radeon [13:07] probably yes [13:07] yes [13:07] let's see then if it freezes again.. [13:08] awalton__, is the new one radeonhd in xorg.conf? [13:08] yeah, for everything 500+ [13:08] (which is kinda silly if you ask me, but that's how novell wanted to do it) [13:13] is anyone using fm radio plugin of rhythmbox? === Gunirus is now known as [Gunirus] [13:14] 3 successful logins isn't just luck so radeon must be working [13:14] except i'm missing gnome panel now [13:16] got it [13:40] still keeps freezing [13:49] !info xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd [13:49] :p [13:49] xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd: X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1 (hardy), package size 129 kB, installed size 320 kB [13:49] ah === Hobbsee is now known as Peer === Peer is now known as Hobbsee [14:30] is the BadAlloc xorg bug fixed in hardy? === valles_ is now known as effie_jayx [14:48] Is virtualbox-ose broken with the 2.6.24 kernel? [14:49] likely, i suspect [14:51] so queries more likely needed for #virtualbox [14:51] is there a reccomended way to create a debootstrapped(or similar) into a bootable iso similar to release ones? [15:02] From the #vbox "the OSE SVN version should [work with 2.6.24], and also 1.5.4 when it's released." [15:03] so soon :) [15:03] thanks and good night [15:37] does hardy have the latest kernel yet [15:37] !info linux-image-generic [15:38] linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB [15:41] !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic [15:41] linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-1.2 (hardy), package size 19272 kB, installed size 66196 kB [15:41] doh [16:25] With Solaris in order to get my dhcp server to send the same ip address whether I am using wired or wireless (using nwam) I can add the CLIENT_ID to /etc/default/dhcpagent [16:25] How can I do something similar with network manager (without hard coding the mac address if at all possible) [16:57] hello guys [16:57] i moved from Debian to Ubuntu Gutsy, and for some mysterious reason there is a delay of 1-2 seconds till an application starts. any ideas? [17:01] thx_-_: #ubuntu, this is for hardy [17:17] what? [17:18] ah, i get it === Zdra_ is now known as Zdra [18:52] After not touching anything for a while (hardy+gnome), my (laptop t42) screen goes blank and I can't do anything on the laptop to unblank it. I can still ssh onto it so I'm not sure if this is a BIOS setting or something seem before? [18:52] mrtimdog: What graphics card drivers are you using [18:52] Can't switch to a tty either. [18:52] Hi. It's the default for ATI Radeon M? 7500. [18:53] Driver "ati" === kristian43 is now known as krzulu [18:53] ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] [18:53] It's ok until it's left for a while, not sure how long. I'll just restart gdm... [18:54] mrtimdog: Interesting I have had no such issues with my X31 [18:54] (video card is very similar) [18:54] Ah, hang on. Xorg proc gone mental. [18:56] Haven't really had too many issues at all yet - but I also have 133 packages that can be upgraded hmmm [18:58] After booting my laptop (hardy, all the latest updates), my keyboard & desktop locks up after a few minutes. The only thing I could do was power off. I installed sss-server and it turns out I am able to ssh in to the machine. top reveals the process "compiz.real" eating most of my cpu.When I killed it, everything came back to normal (and has since not happened in this session). Is this a bug... [18:58] ...I should report ? [18:59] krzulu: compiz going crazy and eating all your CPU is a known issue, not sure we have a bug opened though [19:00] Its not simply eating all my cpu but its also totally unresponsive so I couldnt do anything from local machine. Any known workaround ? [19:02] krzulu: turn off compiz [19:02] krzulu: only workaround I heard of (and what I currently do) [19:02] it appeared with last compiz updates [19:04] stgraber: Thanks. Should I report this as a bug ? (I know this may be a stupid question but I'm new to using IRC for help and maybe everyone knows this and I am the last person on planet earth to see this bug) [19:06] My screen's gone blank again. I rebooted and left it at the gdm prompt for a couple of mins, the screen blanked and I can't do anything on the laptop itself again. [19:06] I can still SSH in. Any clues which logs may hold a clue? [19:07] krzulu: bug 175744 seems to match yours (and mine) [19:07] Launchpad bug 175744 in compiz "Hardy freezes when using compiz" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175744 === Martinp24 is now known as Martinp23 [19:15] mrtimdog: /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:15] mrtimdog: or `dmesg` perhaps [19:17] but have to go.. bye [19:17] Thanks. Couldn't see anything in those. I'm hoping not, but it may be a BIOS thing on my part. Just experimenting with a few things... [19:18] stgraber:/ubotu Thanks for excellent help! [19:18] mrtimdog: Are you running the latest bios ? [19:18] Good point. I'm not sure... [19:19] mrtimdog: If its not too much of a pita then may as well upgrade it [19:20] h3sp4wn:Thanks, just checking it... [19:21] (It was a waste of time for me - messing around making a dos bootcd that could read the cd drive and then copy what it needs from the cd into a ramdisk and then unload the cd drivers (to get enough base memory) from linux was not fun [19:26] h3sp4wn: Did you succeed? [19:26] mrtimdog: I did - I don't think it was worth the effort though [19:27] I'll try it for a few minutes and leave it as is if I haven't succeeded by then! :) [19:28] mrtimdog: If leverno has a bootable cdrom for your model then may as well just do it [19:28] Couldn't see one, just the little pesky floppy things. [19:29] Do you have a floppy ? (My ultrabase only has a dvd) [19:29] Mine too. [19:30] USB ones apparently done work, not that I've got one handy, [19:30] I wonder what ubuntu would think if I used the dock with the pci slot and another type of video card [19:48] Ok, I think it's a problem with my latop, not Ubuntu. Motherboard is screwed :( [19:49] mrtimdog: Do you use compiz on that laptop ? [19:50] I did, yes. That was working fine all day at work today. [19:51] If I just lift just a corner of the laptop the screen blanks and stays that way until reboot. Doesn't look good! [19:52] Looks like it's beer time then :) [20:21] ok sound working ,ndiswrapper/wifi working ,,,shaping up well [20:22] Can anyone tell me as to the oem option on boot? [20:22] from live cd [20:23] are the l-r-m for 2.6.24 available yet ? [20:24] I don't see them on my mirror - If you need a module just build it [20:24] (I only use xsvc and trunk madwifi so its not too bad) [20:25] NVIDIA won't build on 2.6.24. [20:25] thats what i need ;) [20:25] h3sp4wn, madwifi does not support my atheros chip as yet [20:25] DanaG, try the latest beta? [20:25] FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'pv_cpu_ops' [20:26] I don't feel like configuring and compiling a kernel right now. [20:26] mikelapy: if its one of those 5007 ones there is a patch for madwifi but it won't be integrated as it breaks the hal on all other targets [20:27] h3sp4wn, Hardy is still shaping up well ,sound ,,wifi etc all working :) [20:27] "ndiswrapper" [20:28] New laptops are always a challenge [20:29] I wonder if I'd have a use for an OLPC laptop. [20:29] mikelapy: Depends how carefully you choose them [20:29] And I wish it were available in orange, and not just green. [20:30] h3sp4wn, What do you recommend ? === ember_ is now known as ember [20:31] mikelapy: Something that is supported well [20:32] * DanaG is glad to have ipw3945. [20:32] h3sp4wn, Its not easy when I am looking for atheros/Nvidia in the same laptop [20:32] mikelapy: just look around a bit - I managed to get one of the last lot of factory refurb ibm thinkpad's and its very well supported [20:32] Oddly, the iwl3945 driver seems to have a lower range than the ipw3945 driver. [20:34] h3sp4wn, Thats where live cd's are so good :) [20:34] mikelapy: never tested it before hand - just researched it a bit [20:36] This new one has an atheros chip ,,I thought "sweet" but not so [20:38] mikelapy: You could just find out what the linux kernel hackers are using (i.e Andrew Morton (mm kernel)) - For Solaris most of them use acer ferrari's [20:38] h3sp4wn, ok I was told HP is well supported [20:39] mikelapy: apparantly if it breaks -mm's laptop it cannot go into his tree, therefore cannot go to Linus's tree [20:40] I like asus but very expensive [20:40] mikelapy: even if hp's were well supported then which hp [20:41] You like amd or pentium,,,core2? [20:50] Can I change "menu' settings without using kcontrol,,It is empty :) [20:56] Hmm, I found out an EXTREMELY UGLY HACK way of making nvidia compile. [20:56] But for some reason, 2.6.24 is actually subjectively less responsive than 2.6.22. [20:57] It is not for me (and 2.6.22 wants to keep my fans on all the time when its totally unnecessary) [20:58] 29.7% (242.1) : Rescheduling interrupts [20:59] That's from powertop. [21:01] Oh yeah, what -rc version is the Ubuntu kernel mostly based on? [21:01] Suggestion: Enable SATA ALPM link power management via: [21:01] echo min_power > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/link_power_management_policy [21:01] I do that in root shell (sudo -i), I just get "access denied" [21:02] Oh, no wonder, wrong host. [21:05] Oh, now I'm getting some high-pitched 'beeping" --- oh wait, that was the timer in the oven. [21:06] I was freaking out thinking it might be my CPU or my hard drive making odd noises. [21:06] s/in the/on the./ [21:06] gaack, hdd spindown too short. [21:08] lol [21:08] OOh, 21.8W. [21:18] WTF? Drive is still spinning down way too frequently. [21:22] I wish the thing would stop spinning down my drive. [21:22] It's spinning down after only about 5 seconds. [21:24] I just installed Ubuntu hardy alpha 1 last night, and installed some pacakges, I wake up and then select mark all upgrades in Synaptic and it keeps wanting to remove openoffice.org-base and openoffice.org, I think i narrowed it down to synaptic wanting to upgrade libhsqldb-java [21:26] Damnit. [21:28] DanaG: I thought they fixed the hard drive spin down bug in gutsy [21:29] Somehow, it seems to be spinning down quite immediately. [21:30] Oh, and somehow 2.6.24 is also less responsive than 2.6.22 -- I'm running two instances of Folding@Home niced to +19, but they're severely slowing down the system somehow. [21:30] So even typing becomes laggy. [21:32] cpu load?,,,$top? [21:33] DanaG: renice Xorg down a bit [21:33] Down as in to negative? [21:34] yeah - With nice 19 I can have make -j 128 with no lag in typing [21:34] and only 1 cpu - for a while CFS had Xorg at -10 by default [21:35] there again I have no idea how the nvidia blob is affected by the recent changes [21:35] +5 seems to do it. [21:38] er, -5. [21:39] h3sp4wn, nice === der0b\ is now known as der0b [21:39] h3sp4wn, so CFS is working good? [21:39] bardyr: It is for what I am doing [21:40] I want to play with the containers stuff though (so I can have a build user and have anything they do always low priority) [21:40] Nope, still laggy [21:41] Still getting my unload count increasing every <10 seconds. [21:41] er, load cycle count. [21:42] Could be anything did you run any of the scheduler testing stuff [21:42] Actually, I know nothing about the scheduler testing. [21:44] http://people.redhat.com/mingo/cfs-scheduler/tools - run some of the debug stuff in there [21:45] Right now I'm more concerned about the power cycles, actually. === dos5gw is now known as dr_Evil [21:45] I never paid attention to it when I had the Fujitsu MHV2080BH drive, and that drive is still good (and I got it about 1.5 years ago). [21:46] Well if it is a problem then its a waste of time mentioning it and then not providing the people who can fix it any information [21:46] Now I have a Hitachi 7k200, and perhaps that one responds differently to power management. [21:47] I get 4hrs without any messing around with power management on mine other than I use ondemand when on battery [21:48] Hmm, I noticed something: spindown time has no effect on the load cycles. [21:48] It's not spinning down; it's just unloading the heads. [21:50] Guys, I realise Heron is unstable, but on a grade of 1 being uber-bad, and 10 being moderatly stable. what would you give it [21:50] * dr_Evil has a 255997 load cycle count on a 12775 hours old hitachi notebook drive in windows [21:54] Hmm, power-off retract count (the dangerous one) is only 20 for me. I guess that's how many times I've hard-poweroff'd the machine while the drive was up, since purchasing it. [21:55] Load cycle count is 7798. [21:55] I've had this drive since approximately the day before thanksgiving. [21:56] Power-Off_Retract_Count 261, Start_Stop_Count 10362 here, that drive is about 3 years old [21:56] just FYI and comparison [21:57] Hmm, -B 193 seems to stop the load cycling. [21:59] yay. [22:03] Eeh, perhaps I'm better off going back to the default and not worrying about it. [22:07] Oh, idea: boot Windows and see if that's also affected. [22:08] you might have to power of for changes to take effect [22:08] BIOS might also programm those timer values, you never know [22:10] wraund I would give Heron a 10, but it really depends on you usage pattern and hardware. see (full) topic [22:10] What's odd to me is that the drive isn't actually spinning down; it's just repeatedly unloading and loading the heads. [22:10] night everyone [22:10] *ponders upgrading his laptop* [22:11] i do need it to be fairly reliable though.. [22:16] Hmm, I purged and reinstalled laptop-mode-tools, and now it's not load-cycle-increasinh. [22:16] g. [22:16] I guess I must've tweaked some setting and then forgotten about it. [23:14] I had a file that needed port 6667, i setted it up right on both versions but it works on the graphics version but not the server version. how come ? [23:34] Offhand, the server version has no graphics and you're using a chat clients that needs X.