| slangasek | lamont: are there any blockers you know of wrt merging gettext 0.17? if not, I'll go ahead and chase it | 00:47 |
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| slangasek | hmm, I suppose you'll be wanting to keep that hppa javaless patch in there for now, won't you :-P | 00:51 |
| slangasek | hrm. does MoM pull in translation updates from LP? | 01:30 |
| slangasek | the gettext merge seems to include updated translations of the GPL copyright header, which don't come from the previous Ubuntu diff | 01:31 |
| sabdfl | :-) | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | oh noes, it's sabdfl! | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | he's smiling! he must be plotting something, too! | 02:03 |
| * Hobbsee brings out the evil white rabbit | 02:03 | |
| Hobbsee | soren: so, fix it. | 03:58 |
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| desrt | keybuk; !!! wru? :p | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | desrt: he went mad, so we shot him | 04:37 |
| desrt | well, about time | 04:37 |
| desrt | all this ranting about InitKit | 04:37 |
| desrt | someone had to take the boy down | 04:37 |
| desrt | Hobbsee; how are you this evening (er... day) | 04:38 |
| desrt | ? | 04:38 |
| ion_ | GCC could be renamed as KitKit, since it’s a kit you use to make kits. | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | desrt: i'm doing OK. fortunately, i don't have work today! \o/ | 04:39 |
| desrt | ion_; now that would just be silly! | 04:39 |
| ion_ | duh | 04:39 |
| desrt | people who have work -any- day are suckers! | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 04:41 |
| Burgundavia | desrt: I thought you were joking | 04:47 |
| desrt | about what? | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | initkit | 04:48 |
| desrt | i'm not joking. | 04:48 |
| desrt | btw: Hal is being renamed to DeviceKit | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | I just found the mailing list | 04:48 |
| desrt | (i'm also not joking about that) | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | yes, well it and udev are going to undergo some sort of merger. I really don't understand much about that layer of my system | 04:49 |
| TheMuso | Wow. A merge? | 05:02 |
| * TheMuso sighs. Why don't people get it right the first time? | 05:02 | |
| slangasek | TheMuso: "get it right" referring to udev and hal? | 05:07 |
| slangasek | if you ask me, udev was right from the beginning... :) | 05:08 |
| TheMuso | Yeah, referring to udev and hal. | 05:08 |
| TheMuso | And it seems that this crazy kit naming has caught on too much. | 05:09 |
| TheMuso | to me anyway | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: it's the new K* | 05:10 |
| * slangasek installs the Kit Desktop Environment | 05:11 | |
| LaserJock | haha | 05:11 |
| * TheMuso hopes that that environment has AccessibilityKit. | 05:12 | |
| TheMuso | Hmmm. Brltty to be renamed Braillekit. :p | 05:12 |
| * TheMuso ducks | 05:12 | |
| LaserJock | heh, cool | 05:13 |
| lamont | slangasek: for now, lets keep the java-free hppa love, and I'll be working this week on bootstrapping java | 05:13 |
| lamont | (gettext) | 05:13 |
| lamont | slangasek: you wanna do that merge? that'll let me go to sleep | 05:13 |
| lamont | otherwise, I'll do it in the morning. :-) | 05:14 |
| slangasek | lamont: already worked through it, want to sponsor it? :) | 05:18 |
| slangasek | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gettext/+bug/175775 | 05:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 175775 in gettext "Please merge gettext 0.17-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 05:18 |
| lamont | slangasek: sure... got a signed source.changes et al? | 05:18 |
| slangasek | can do | 05:19 |
| slangasek | lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~vorlon/gettext_0.17-2ubuntu1_source.changes | 05:20 |
| LaserJock | hmm, anybody know if a MIR is needed for a lib split? It's the same source, just new packaging | 05:22 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: can you elaborate on what "lib split" means? | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | sorry | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | goffice0.4 was added because goffice has gone to 0.5 and 0.4 is still needed | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | goffice is in Main, goffice 0.4 was in gutsy so I would assume the code is ok | 05:24 |
| slangasek | why are they both needed in main? | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure yet if we need goffice0.4 in Main yet, but I *think* abiword is going to need it | 05:27 |
| slangasek | since that's code duplication, that's a case that should go through MIR | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | ok, just wondered | 05:27 |
| warp10 | Hi all! | 06:47 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: ping | 06:50 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | good morning | 07:58 |
| dholbach | hey LaserJock | 07:58 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:19 |
| stgraber | arghh, anyone here knows how I can make a laptop not to turn backlight off after 10min ?? I have no ACPI/APM loaded, X started with -dpms | 08:23 |
| stgraber | it's really old laptop crap (Toshiba from 1998) | 08:23 |
| warp10 | pitti: good morning! | 08:24 |
| MacSlow | Greetings everybody! | 08:26 |
| pitti | hey MacSlow, moin warp10 | 08:26 |
| MacSlow | hey pitti, seb128 | 08:27 |
| seb128 | hi Mac | 08:27 |
| seb128 | hi MacSlow | 08:27 |
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| dholbach | bdmurray: do you think thekorn's text branch is ready for merging? | 08:43 |
| pitti | hey seb128, happy archive day | 08:44 |
| seb128 | hello pitti, thanks | 08:46 |
| seb128 | started the day with almost 300 items in NEW | 08:46 |
| pitti | ugh | 08:46 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 08:46 | |
| seb128 | did somebody did new sources import from debian? ;-) | 08:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: new-binary-universe-debian cleaned most of those so that's alright | 08:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: I did wave glade and its binaries to universe too | 08:47 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 08:47 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, me (yesterday) | 08:47 |
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| Riddell | pitti: please give back nip2/7.12.5-2build1 | 09:09 |
| pitti | Riddell: done; just fixed the hal bug, BTW, I'll give-back kdepimplibs once it's built | 09:10 |
| Riddell | yay | 09:11 |
| geser | good morning | 09:26 |
| pitti | hi geser | 09:28 |
| geser | Hi pitti | 09:28 |
| dholbach | hey geser, hey pitti | 09:32 |
| warp10 | pitti: bug #152579 | 09:34 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 152579 in bsdmainutils "calendar does not have new daylight savings time dates for the US" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152579 | 09:34 |
| geser | Hi dholbach | 09:37 |
| dholbach | hey geser | 09:38 |
| doko | asac: may I bitch about the xulrunner insanities having to patch configure files? | 09:57 |
| glick | hello | 09:58 |
| glick | i have a question about patents | 09:58 |
| * Fujitsu patents asking questions about patents. | 09:58 | |
| glick | heh | 09:58 |
| glick | what does this mean: | 09:58 |
| glick | This application claims the benefit of U.S. provision application Ser. No. 60/024,789 filed Sep. 9, 1996, now abandoned. | 09:58 |
| glick | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,272,467.PN.&OS=PN/6,272,467&RS=PN/6,272,467 | 09:59 |
| glick | for that patent | 09:59 |
| seb128 | mr_pouit: about the xfwm4-themes sync, don't you need the cdbs magic for the translations template update? | 10:21 |
| StevenK | Impressive. I have a merge on my machine I don't remember doing. | 10:30 |
| geser | StevenK: is this a bad sign or a good one? | 10:34 |
| StevenK | geser: I have no idea. :-) | 10:34 |
| persia | StevenK: For hardy? | 10:34 |
| StevenK | persia: Yup | 10:35 |
| StevenK | persia: I'm uploading it now | 10:35 |
| slomo | asac: what happend to the xulrunner/mono issue?:) | 10:37 |
| StevenK | Here's wishing dput had progress bars | 10:41 |
| geser | StevenK: put "progress_indicator = 2" into your dput config | 10:43 |
| StevenK | Ooooh | 10:44 |
| StevenK | Now I want to upload something else :-P | 10:45 |
| geser | How about uploading scons? ;) | 10:47 |
| asac | slomo: i dropped the ball yesterday after learning a bit about mono native bindings :). I will probably ask things later today though. | 10:58 |
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| geser | pitti: please give-back: apt-zip | 11:22 |
| pitti | geser: done | 11:23 |
| lool | Not sure you people saw the Ulteo OO.o online desktop launch | 11:34 |
| lool | I'm browsing their /etc from oowriter's file > open, and it seems to be running on dapper | 11:35 |
| dholbach | lool: ulteo is baded on kubuntu afaik | 11:35 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:39 |
| lool | I kind of wonder what their security model is exactly | 11:39 |
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| Riddell | lool: got a screenshot? | 11:51 |
| Kmos | morning! | 11:54 |
| pitti | Riddell: kdepimlibs given back, hal is in the archive now | 11:56 |
| lool | Riddell: Sure, there's nothing to see though | 11:56 |
| lool | Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/ulteo.png | 11:57 |
| Riddell | lool: groovy, is it using the NX java applet? | 11:58 |
| lool | Riddell: It's using a java applet; how could I check it's NX? | 11:58 |
| lool | I think I read about translating X events into AWT in some Google video | 11:59 |
| lool | It certainly looks like what they are doing | 11:59 |
| Riddell | lool: view source I guess | 11:59 |
| lool | Riddell: archive="SSHVncApplet-0.2.9.4-3-signed.jar,SSHVncApplet-0.2.9.4-3-jdkbug-workaround-signed.jar" | 11:59 |
| lool | It seems it's VNC | 12:00 |
| lool | From what I saw, there is another home dir of another user which I can't reach (unix perms) | 12:00 |
| lool | I don't know whether they purge the servers at some point | 12:00 |
| lool | They use PAM to store some encfs | 12:00 |
| lool | Hmm I wonder how they auth the VNC | 12:01 |
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| lool | The web page seems to have a login and password and host and port for SSH | 12:03 |
| pitti | geser: is that scons underquoting problem known upstream? | 12:04 |
| pitti | and/or in Debian | 12:04 |
| pitti | ? | 12:04 |
| geser | pitti: see bug 87077 | 12:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 87077 in scons "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87077 | 12:19 |
| geser | pitti: it was filed upstream (http://scons.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1689) and the problem seems to be Ubuntu specific | 12:20 |
| broonie | Nobody else is going to be defining environment variables with names like that. | 12:21 |
| geser | pitti: the affected packages by this bug build successfully with the scons from Debian in Debian and inside a pbuilder but not on the Ubuntu buildds | 12:21 |
| lool | Riddell: It would be more interesting to get a screenshot of the full desktop running | 12:22 |
| lool | It's quite limitative to only look at OO.o | 12:22 |
| broonie | The reason the fix is Ubuntu specific is that it just chops out the affected method of spawning child processes which isn't ideal. | 12:22 |
| * broonie = Debian SCons maintainer and author of that patch | 12:23 | |
| lool | Globally, I find use of ooo is really unconfortable; I have plenty of bandwidth, and it's quite sluggish; I can't copy-paste one way or another; closing ooo makes it display the crash recovery tool next time around; it takes some 30 seconds at least to startup... | 12:23 |
| Riddell | lool: have you tried the full desktop? | 12:23 |
| lool | Riddell: I can't; it's reserved to beta testers | 12:24 |
| pitti | geser: why the heck does someone want to pass an env var HASH(0x82db558)="" ? that looks like a bug in xmms2 itself? | 12:24 |
| pitti | broonie: ^ (maybe you know) | 12:24 |
| Riddell | lool: oh, right | 12:25 |
| broonie | You'd need to ask whoever runs your buildds. | 12:25 |
| pitti | ah, I see it in the bug, nevermind | 12:25 |
| broonie | It looks like Python leakage from iterating over an object. | 12:25 |
| cjwatson | perl, not python | 12:26 |
| cjwatson | it's an sbuild bug | 12:26 |
| geser | pitti: it wasn't only xmms2 which is affected by this, but at least two other packages too | 12:26 |
| cjwatson | I guess in our sbuild modifications | 12:27 |
| pitti | right, but that should be fixed asap then | 12:27 |
| cjwatson | infinity: ^-- (reminder) | 12:27 |
| pitti | carrying such package delta hacks over several releases just for this is ugly | 12:27 |
| lool | cjwatson: I think I heard about similar HASH() env vars in Debian in the past; I'd suspect it's an old sbuild issue which Debian sbuild doesn't have | 12:27 |
| lool | (anymore) | 12:27 |
| cjwatson | quite possibly, yeah | 12:27 |
| lool | There are so many sbuild forks though | 12:27 |
| pitti | seb128: mono-addins approved and promoted FYI | 12:28 |
| Riddell | pitti: did you look at libkarma? do I need to get more information on it? | 12:34 |
| pitti | Riddell: I think so; it's in the bug 174306 | 12:42 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 174306 in libkarma "MIR: Please include libkarma in hardy main" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174306 | 12:42 |
| Riddell | thanks | 12:47 |
| pitti | warp10: hm, this changes nonessential things; is this meant for gutsy-proposed or hardy? (changelog says 'gutsy' which is invalid) | 12:54 |
| warp10 | pitti: sorry, my mistake: it is for hardy | 12:55 |
| pitti | warp10: ah, ok | 12:56 |
| warp10 | pitti: should I prepare another debdiff or you'll take care of this? | 12:56 |
| pitti | warp10: don't worry, I can do that simple replace :) | 12:57 |
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| geser | Hobbsee: you should hug pitti for sponsoring scons :) | 13:05 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: thanks for becomming the maintainer of scons :) | 13:06 |
| * Hobbsee hugs pitti | 13:06 | |
| Hobbsee | may it give you much joy and colour :) | 13:06 |
| Riddell | pitti, seb128, Hobbsee: anyone remember rejecting python-kde4? it doesn't seem to be in new any more and there's no message in ubuntu-archive | 13:06 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: it doesn't have my name in the changelog, don't worry | 13:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i only did the first one, as tonio requested. | 13:06 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: you still show up on MOM | 13:07 |
| pitti | Riddell: *scratching head* not really | 13:07 |
| cjwatson | seb128: could you look at bug 131751, please? It looks like you dropped part of Ian's changes by mistake in the merge | 13:07 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: rejected it? | 13:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 131751 in consolekit "Unable to switch Virtual Terminal with C-A-F[1-6] on Intel-based new laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131751 | 13:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yes. when it had not been reviewed - it was meant to go to revu. | 13:07 |
| soren | cjwatson: Heh.. I was just looking at that, actually. | 13:08 |
| soren | Why was it again that stracing X didn't work? :-/ | 13:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that was not the version that you're asking about, though | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | soren: it works if you strace it from something other than an X terminal emulator | 13:08 |
| soren | cjwatson: Why does that make a difference? | 13:09 |
| cjwatson | soren: if you strace it from an X terminal emulator, X deadlocks when strace tries to print the pid | 13:09 |
| cjwatson | it would probably be OK if you used strace >file 2>&1 rather than strace -o file | 13:09 |
| soren | ?? | 13:09 |
| cjwatson | Process 30576 attached - interrupt to quit | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | it's when it tries to print that | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | AFAIK | 13:10 |
| soren | That makes no sense to me. | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | *shrug* | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | seems to be the case :) | 13:10 |
| * soren falls over | 13:10 | |
| persia | soren: it's a loop. strace is the child, so all the strace output generates strace events, etc. | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | or possibly it's the terminal emulator tries to do something else | 13:10 |
| soren | That's.. | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | s/tries/trying/ | 13:11 |
| cjwatson | at any rate, stracing while sshed in does fine | 13:11 |
| soren | persia: So? tcpdumping over an ssh connection works, it just goes wild. It doesn't hang or anything. | 13:11 |
| persia | soren: Hmm. True. | 13:11 |
| seb128 | Riddell: I didn't reject it, no | 13:11 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: looking | 13:12 |
| * soren tries to strace the gnome-terminal that tries to strace X and see what happens | 13:12 | |
| cjwatson | seb128: looks like you kept the patch from Ian's first upload, but not the second | 13:12 |
| Chipzz | soren: tcpdump -n not port 22? :) | 13:12 |
| soren | Chipzz: Sure. | 13:12 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: this bug has been opened before my upload | 13:13 |
| seb128 | (reading) | 13:13 |
| cjwatson | seb128: the thing I'm seeing is definitely due to the busted merge | 13:13 |
| cjwatson | seb128: it's *possible* that the original bug was actually something else and I wrongly attached my report to that bug | 13:13 |
| cjwatson | in which case, my apologies, but the problem is still there :) | 13:14 |
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| seb128 | cjwatson: hum, the patch he attached on the freedesktop bugzilla is different of the one in the gutsy package and I used the bugzilla one because that was easier that getting .diff.gz changes | 13:20 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: will fix that | 13:20 |
| * seb128 grrrrrr at people not using a proper patch system for distro changes | 13:21 | |
| soren | It doesn't apply anymore anyway.. | 13:21 |
| seb128 | great | 13:21 |
| soren | Yes, isn't it? :) | 13:21 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering why the bug would be intel specific though | 13:23 |
| cjwatson | I don't think it is | 13:23 |
| cjwatson | it may be timing-dependent | 13:23 |
| cjwatson | somebody mentioned in the bug that it happened to them with nvidia | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | seb128: thanks for fixing that; please update the freedesktop bugzilla patch if you haven't already | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | (er, that was obvious I guess) | 13:24 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: you're welcome, I'll update the patch there | 13:25 |
| soren | Oh, you fixed it already | 13:25 |
| soren | ? | 13:25 |
| seb128 | soren: no, but I'm looking at it now | 13:25 |
| seb128 | soren: and I'll update the patch once I figured what is the right way to fix it ;-) | 13:25 |
| soren | seb128: Ah, ok. Got it :) | 13:25 |
| seb128 | soren: if you have an opinion on the topic you are welcome to share it though ;-) | 13:26 |
| soren | seb128: I still blame policykit. | 13:26 |
| soren | seb128: Are you aware of how to switch on its debug output? | 13:26 |
| soren | seb128: "/etc/init.d/policykit reload" toggles debug mode. | 13:27 |
| soren | I'll pastebin the output from when this happens. Hang on. | 13:27 |
| seb128 | soren: weird, the script has no reload case | 13:28 |
| soren | Er... I meant consolekit. | 13:28 |
| seb128 | ah, right | 13:29 |
| seb128 | thanks for the hints ;-) | 13:29 |
| soren | I get confused by all these new kits. :) | 13:29 |
| soren | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47946/ | 13:29 |
| Hobbsee | soren: it's part of world domination | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | tkamppeter_: well done on joining MOTU | 13:39 |
| soren | seb128: I think I have a pretty good idea about what's wrong. | 13:40 |
| seb128 | soren: you are welcome to debug it then ;-) | 13:41 |
| seb128 | soren: the gutsy version has an extra vt_park_enable which is not in the patch I used for the hardy upload | 13:41 |
| seb128 | + /* We park only once: enable is set when a session exits | 13:42 |
| seb128 | + * and cleared here when we choose a new session. */ | 13:42 |
| seb128 | + seat->priv->vt_park_enable = FALSE; | 13:42 |
| soren | Looking at the debug output, you'll notice ck_seat_set_park_vt apparantly never gets set. | 13:42 |
| seb128 | soren: ^ that's the corresponding change | 13:42 |
| soren | Er... get called, I mean. | 13:42 |
| soren | And that seems to be the only place where seat->priv->vt_park_num gets set, and hence it never figures out that it's supposed to stay on vt 1 (or whichever vt you're switching to, obviously). | 13:43 |
| * soren *really* goes to lunch now. | 13:45 | |
| ogra | asac, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LightBrowser/ i couldnt resist :) | 13:49 |
| asac | looks like fun ... whats that exactly now? | 13:50 |
| asac | ogra: ^^ | 13:50 |
| ogra | mybrowser with hqalf way added bookmark support and some prefs stuff, its a fun project, i'll probably poke around more on it during christmas holidays and finish the functions (just a bit playing around with xul during disconnected travelling the last days) | 13:52 |
| ogra | it was scary to recognize how much of my javascrip skills vanished over the last three years when i touched it last ... | 13:52 |
| ogra | so a bit practicing isnt bad :) and probably it becomes an app, who knows :) | 13:53 |
| ogra | its cool that xclrunner just inherits the plugins with just adding a link so its a fullly functional browser without tab support limited to a single window ... | 13:55 |
| ogra | *xul | 13:56 |
| ogra | eating only 20% of ram ff needs | 13:56 |
| asac | cool | 14:02 |
| asac | ogra: so i can count you in to the set of ubunt devs that can develop xul apps :) | 14:02 |
| asac | welcome! | 14:02 |
| ogra | lol | 14:02 |
| cjwatson | delegation in action | 14:03 |
| * ogra grins | 14:03 | |
| Hobbsee | or increases in insanity on display, yes.. | 14:03 |
| ogra | xul is fun, its like my old perl cgi/javascript db webapps i wrote back in other jobs :) | 14:04 |
| ogra | just no perl involved (luckily) | 14:04 |
| asac | ogra: so you adapted the midbrowser concept to have the toolbar at the bottom? why that? | 14:06 |
| ion_ | sub { $_[0]->("$_[1]!") }->(sub { print "Hello @_" }, "world") | 14:06 |
| ogra | the mybrowser code had that ... | 14:06 |
| asac | oh | 14:06 |
| asac | ok | 14:06 |
| ogra | i just took what was there and started adding features | 14:07 |
| asac | ogra: actually, epiphany upstream devs are trying to do that: make a xulapp out of epiphany | 14:07 |
| ogra | (and modifying the existing stuff) | 14:07 |
| asac | but i guess it won't be ready for hardy (only the old gtkmozembed thing) ... so maybe help out there ;) | 14:07 |
| ogra | that should be trivial | 14:07 |
| ogra | well, i have a lot on my plate already i guess working into the epi code is a bit harder than taking twh 100 LOC from mybrowser and addin another 100 :) but i`ll take a look | 14:08 |
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| asac | ogra: cool ... feel free to add a bzr branch to ~mozillateam :) ... I am looking for xulapps to include in hardy. if the browser becomes usable i am happy to ship it :) | 14:08 |
| asac | ogra: so what is missing to get a fully functional browser? bookmarks? certificate management? | 14:09 |
| asac | anything else? | 14:09 |
| asac | does typeahead find already work? | 14:10 |
| ogra | i want it to run fullscreen, havent found the right trigger for that yet (and it seems xul isnt ready in that area either yet) | 14:10 |
| ogra | adding bookmarks and setting the homepage works fine, removing bugmaks is missing | 14:11 |
| asac | ah :) | 14:11 |
| ogra | heh | 14:11 |
| ogra | funny typo | 14:11 |
| asac | fullscreen should be possible ... i will try to look it up if i need a distracting minute :) | 14:11 |
| ogra | the font scaling only exists in the ui yet | 14:11 |
| ogra | not in the embedded browser ... i need to look how its done in ff | 14:12 |
| ogra | ah, and all typical ff keycombos work :) | 14:12 |
| asac | ogra: you have to use the FullZoom method on the html document you can get from the browser | 14:13 |
| * ogra rarely uses the mouse while browsing | 14:13 | |
| asac | (that zooms images as well ... which is what ffox 3 does now) | 14:13 |
| ogra | ah, nice, thanks for the hint | 14:13 |
| soren | seb128: Any progress? | 14:16 |
| seb128 | soren: didn't look at it yet, I've it next on the queue for when I'll be done with the gdm merge | 14:16 |
| soren | seb128: Oh, ok. I'll stop pestering you then :) | 14:17 |
| seb128 | soren: I was not sure if you were on your way to fix it and didn't want to duplicate work too ;-) | 14:17 |
| soren | seb128: Well... I was hoping that shouting random semi-useful hints here and there might magically fix it. :) | 14:18 |
| seb128 | soren: that's useful informations, thanks, I'll look at it when the gdm update is uploaded | 14:19 |
| soren | seb128: I've got a stack of stuff, that I'm actually supposed to be looking at, which is not really the case for consolekit. I just got fed up with not having access to my console. :) | 14:19 |
| * soren hugs seb128 | 14:19 | |
| * seb128 hugs soren back | 14:19 | |
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| michael14486 | does anyone know of a program to generate .deb files? | 14:48 |
| seb128 | michael14486: debuild | 14:48 |
| cjwatson | michael14486: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment#head-86b3c262f4e4b222c867211cb06bb46523c7cc6f | 14:49 |
| michael14486 | thanks | 14:49 |
| ppum | hey guys, just wanted to ask when the linux-restricted-modules 2.6.24 will be out ? | 14:51 |
| cjwatson | ppum: it's been uploaded, just needs to actually build now | 14:53 |
| chand | ppum: i don't know but there is a problem with amd/nvidia drivers http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/11/1/257 | 14:53 |
| michael14486 | is there any way to graphicaly make .deb packages (none of the command line ones worked for me) | 14:57 |
| michael14486 | ???????????????/ | 14:57 |
| * ion_ chuckles | 14:58 | |
| cjwatson | michael14486: not to my knowledge; everyone here uses command-line tools for this | 14:58 |
| cjwatson | michael14486: I would recommend finding a different channel; this channel is for development of Ubuntu itself | 14:58 |
| bdmurray | dholbach: I plan on testing that some today | 14:58 |
| cjwatson | we're not really set up for mentoring people who just want to do one-shot packaging | 14:59 |
| dholbach | bdmurray: ROCK | 14:59 |
| cjwatson | michael14486: if you're just trying to package something for your own use, checkinstall may help you | 14:59 |
| michael14486 | my programs are al shell scripts that run from bin to accsess the itunes store | 14:59 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: shame on you, recommending checkinstall... | 15:01 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: next you'll be mentioning yada, and other crackful tools. | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee: I'm not recommending it for packaging software in the Ubuntu archive. | 15:01 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, why, for personal use thats fine | 15:01 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: i've seen too much of the "of personal use only. oh, i think i'llj ust share this ready-made deb" | 15:02 |
| ogra | you just need to keep track of it to not forget about it at dist upgrades | 15:02 |
| ogra | since there it myght get tricky | 15:02 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: or "checkinstall is bad, it does not package a program with a library in it correctly" | 15:02 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: so you have not gone utterly insane. good :) | 15:03 |
| ogra | the package description should probably have a warning :) | 15:03 |
| ogra | (up to a clever MOTU i guess :)) | 15:03 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: now really. no one is silly enough to do such a thing. TIL principle. | 15:03 |
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| michael14486 | whats so bad about checkinstall and yada? | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | michael14486: they produce unfortunate results when used for packages in Ubuntu itself. That isn't to say that you can't use checkinstall for local use only. | 15:10 |
| Chipzz | michael14486: they just package up the contents of a directory, which may not be the correct thing to do | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | Chipzz: that's what checkinstall does, but not yada. They're very different. | 15:10 |
| ogra | michael14486, its missing dependencies fro example, so it will only work on the system you compiled on | 15:10 |
| Chipzz | michael14486: some files are supposed to be generated | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | yada is deprecated hereabouts because it's just obscure and hard to read | 15:10 |
| Chipzz | michael14486: like for example the fontconfig caches and gtk icon themes (just to name a few) | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | at any rate, I think we are confusing michael14486 far more than we are helping him | 15:11 |
| Chipzz | if you just package these files, they'll overwrite existing files which leads to disaster | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | michael14486: your best bet is really to read the packaging guides and take it from there | 15:11 |
| Chipzz | cjwatson: I was only talking about checkinstall anyway ;) | 15:11 |
| michael14486 | so when its installed it will over write the files like bin that it installs to? | 15:12 |
| Chipzz | michael14486: if the files in your package are mutually exclusive to the files installed on the system, it may not be that bad (though it's still inappropriate) | 15:13 |
| michael14486 | and will the packaging guides work with scripts and no programs (thats what i use because i dont know enough c to really do anything) | 15:14 |
| cjwatson | packaging shell scripts is strictly simpler than packaging C programs | 15:14 |
| cjwatson | but this is not appropriate for this channel | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | I suggest #ubuntu-motu | 15:15 |
| Chipzz | michael14486: the gist of it is, a lot of files are actually meant to be generated in the system in which they're supposed to work; if you make a package with checkinstall, it just (temoporarily) installs into a seperate dir and packages that. that temporary dir is distinct from (and often conflicting with) the system the package is supposed to be installed in | 15:15 |
| geser | doko: as curl (main) depwaits now on libssh2-1-dev (universe) is it ok to drop that build-dependency? | 15:16 |
| Chipzz | and I'll shut up now :) | 15:16 |
| doko | geser: hmm, I think I have to ask cjwatson and pitti again about main inclusion | 15:17 |
| pitti | geser: personally I'd prefer dropping it, yes; what actual benefit does it give us? ssh isn't even enabled for the gnutls build | 15:17 |
| ogra | pitti, any opinion about devscripts and the added dep while youre at giving recommendations for MIRs ? :) | 15:18 |
| pitti | openssh is a mature project, and people still find holes in it occasionally; libssh2 gets much less attention and is much younger | 15:18 |
| pitti | ogra: that perl lib? that sounded harmless enough, but I need to read your mail again | 15:19 |
| ogra | it is harmless i think but since we try to reduce main stuff its also something we dont use at all | 15:19 |
| geser | pitti: as curl builds without this build-dependency, I'll prepare a debdiff | 15:19 |
| pitti | ogra: so, if we have a diff anyway, we can leave it out; if dropping the build dep would be our only delta, it's easier to promote such trivial libs | 15:20 |
| pitti | erm, s/dropping// | 15:20 |
| ogra | pitti, well, there is one extra build dep diff (we add lsb-release), i'll drop it then | 15:24 |
| ogra | still enough time for complaints and switching it :) | 15:25 |
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| geser | pitti: bug #175891 if you have time | 15:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 175891 in curl "[hardy] Drop libssh2-1-dev from Build-Depends" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175891 | 15:30 |
| geser | any other main sponsor is also welcome | 15:30 |
| Hobbsee | someone broke amd64 quite badly, it appears. | 15:42 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: ? | 15:42 |
| Hobbsee | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/hardy_probs.html | 15:43 |
| pitti | ah, probably seb's fault :) | 15:44 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, blame seb128 todya. | 15:44 |
| seb128 | gni? | 15:44 |
| pitti | no, just a gtk+2.0 buildd desync, I guess | 15:44 |
| seb128 | pitti: right, looks like | 15:44 |
| pitti | libgtk2.0-0 is held back on a dist-upgrade | 15:44 |
| pitti | ah, it FTBFSed on i386, built on amd64 | 15:45 |
| Hobbsee | oookay? | 15:45 |
| pitti | hm, now it's needsbuild | 15:46 |
| pitti | seems someone just gave it back? | 15:46 |
| * Hobbsee did not. | 15:46 | |
| seb128 | pitti: needs a retry | 15:46 |
| Hobbsee | sparc is needsbuild, not other arches | 15:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: apparently slomo changed it to require the new directfb but didn't update the Build-Depends requirement | 15:47 |
| pitti | ah, my fault; I looked at the wrong tab | 15:47 |
| * pitti gives back | 15:47 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 15:47 | |
| pitti | argh, buildd.py fails on + in package names | 15:47 |
| * pitti fixes that first | 15:47 | |
| Hobbsee | i thought you fixed that. | 15:47 |
| pitti | in versions, not package names | 15:48 |
| Hobbsee | i then thought you fixed package names as well | 15:48 |
| pitti | no | 15:48 |
| pitti | script fixed, gtk retried | 15:51 |
| pitti | script on people.u.c. updated <- Hobbsee | 15:52 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: thanks muchly | 15:52 |
| calc | cjwatson: ping, meeting | 16:08 |
| mantiena-baltix | hi all | 16:09 |
| mantiena-baltix | pitti: hi, maybe you can tell me where are daily language packs now ? I tried to search and didn't found any official info where I should look for daily language packs, so, maybe you can tell me ? | 16:12 |
| pitti | mantiena-baltix: I announced that a while ago; they are in the ~ubuntu-langpack PPA | 16:12 |
| mantiena-baltix | I found repository http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-langpack/ubuntu/ , but I'm not sure if this is official daily language-packs repo | 16:12 |
| pitti | http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-langpack/ | 16:12 |
| pitti | yes, that's it | 16:12 |
| pitti | gotta run now, sorry | 16:12 |
| mantiena-baltix | pitti: ok, thank you | 16:13 |
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| Keybuk | soren: have you been brave enough to look at the mdadm merge? | 16:30 |
| Keybuk | (if not, I had a brief look and actually think it's not that scary -- so am happy to claim it back off you and do it tonight) | 16:32 |
| michael14486 | if i sent someone my files would they make them into a deb packedge | 16:36 |
| michael14486 | ????????????????????? | 16:36 |
| swisgard | thats not how it works | 16:36 |
| swisgard | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages | 16:37 |
| swisgard | look at the "request a new package" | 16:37 |
| michael14486 | thanks ill try that | 16:37 |
| claviola | I realize this is not a support channel, but #ubuntu hasn't been able to help in this regard. I have a box in which the install CD dumps one into GDM instead of just launching a session automatically. Is there a reason this might happen? Does the standard 'ubuntu' user from the live cd have a password? | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | claviola: I don't know of a reason why that would happen on the desktop (live) CD; the 'ubuntu' user has a blank password | 16:42 |
| Spads | claviola: what image did you use? | 16:42 |
| claviola | Spads: it's the one one orders from shipit | 16:44 |
| cjwatson | that would be the desktop CD | 16:44 |
| cjwatson | might be worth checking /var/log/casper.log to see if something broke in the boot process | 16:44 |
| soren | Keybuk: No, I never got round to it, so if you could do it, that would be lovely. | 16:50 |
| claviola | Yeah, I'm almost sure it's somehow to do with the CD drive, somehow, since this friend who's trying to boot also reported 'errors with something called squashfs'. | 16:52 |
| claviola | cjwatson: how can you force a console login to check the log? | 16:53 |
| Keybuk | soren: ack | 16:53 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, soren: consolekit with updated patch uploaded, it fixes the issue on my laptop, let me know if that works for you when the update is available | 16:56 |
| soren | seb128: Will do. Thanks! | 16:58 |
| seb128 | no problem ;-) | 16:58 |
| cjwatson | claviola: IIRC you can put 'textonly' on the kernel command line | 17:11 |
| cjwatson | claviola: if this is 7.10, though (rather than hardy where it was broken for a bit, see seb128's consolekit comment above), shouldn't ctrl-alt-f1 work? the ubuntu user should be autologgedin there | 17:12 |
| claviola | I vaguely remember something that looked like a PAM error | 17:13 |
| cjwatson | claviola: if squashfs was bust, you may be just hosed as far as software efforts are concerned; my first recommendation would be to get a CD cleaning kit and apply it to the drive | 17:13 |
| cjwatson | it was very likely an I/O error | 17:13 |
| claviola | I asked him to not bother me again unless the verification tool says the CD seems okay. :-) | 17:13 |
| cjwatson | claviola: unfortunately the verification tool is not a 100% indicator :-/ | 17:15 |
| claviola | damnit | 17:15 |
| cjwatson | (I'm not sure why, I only have anecdotal reports) | 17:15 |
| cjwatson | though I agree it is a good initial check | 17:15 |
| beuno | hello, any archive sysadmin around? ar.archive.ubuntu.com has been bisbehaving _seriously_ the past few days | 18:00 |
| beuno | (seems a new mirror has been added) | 18:00 |
| beuno | we're getting may user reports with 404s | 18:00 |
| slomo | seb128: it will also work with the old version | 18:07 |
| slomo | seb128: in theory at least, if it doesn't => give me the compiler error | 18:07 |
| seb128 | slomo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10857402/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.gtk%2B2.0_2.12.3-2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 18:08 |
| slomo | seb128: thanks, will fix | 18:08 |
| seb128 | slomo: you are welcome | 18:08 |
| seb128 | slomo: thank you for working on the issue ;-) | 18:08 |
| slomo | seb128: not now but in a few minutes or early tomorrow :) | 18:08 |
| seb128 | slomo: no hurry, the retry picked the new directfb version and built correctly | 18:09 |
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| cjwatson | beuno: perhaps best to mail mirrors@ubuntu.com | 19:26 |
| beuno | cjwatson, will do, thanks :D | 19:26 |
| beuno | (wasn't sure where else to ask) | 19:26 |
| cjwatson | there's also #canonical-sysadmin (IIRC) | 19:27 |
| beuno | ah, yes, sounds familiar, let's give that a try too | 19:28 |
| beuno | thanks x 2 cjwatson | 19:28 |
| johanbr | beuno: and #ubuntu-mirrors | 19:34 |
| beuno | johanbr, aaaaah, sounds much more accurate | 19:34 |
| beuno | johanbr, got it, thanks :D | 19:35 |
| lool | keescook: I was happy with the terminus font on xterms for a while; nowadays I'm happy with DejaVu Sans Mono in xft mode, but it took some time | 19:50 |
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| keescook | lool: yeah, I tried terminus. I seem to have found a great solution though: creating an alias for my preferred bitmap font. :) | 20:31 |
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| jcastro | TheMuso: hi, you're listed as one of the leaders of the accessability team, do you guys have a team reporter person? | 21:16 |
| TheMuso | jcastro: There is not much of a team atm, so there are no reports forthcoming till we've tidied up the wiki, and got thins sorted, we being me. | 21:17 |
| jcastro | ok, so it's safe to assume no report this month then? | 21:18 |
| jcastro | I'm just trying to clean up the contacts for each team | 21:18 |
| TheMuso | jcastro: No report this month, and not likely for a while. | 21:18 |
| jcastro | noted, thanks! | 21:18 |
| ScottK | jcastro: Why don't you write up a nice generic "Getting the team established" input. You can do it without actually knowing anything about what's going on. | 21:18 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting | 21:19 |
| jcastro | you mean like that? | 21:19 |
| ScottK | jcastro: Dunno (I've ignored the reporting stuff) just thought it'd be useful to include his 'team' on the list so people keep it in mind. | 21:20 |
| jcastro | yes, that's what I'm doing now | 21:20 |
| ScottK | OK. Sounds like you're ahead of me then. | 21:20 |
| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 21:36 |
| pitti | calc: is there a MIR for lzma? | 21:40 |
| calc | pitti: yes | 21:43 |
| calc | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLzma | 21:43 |
| pitti | calc: ah, great; can you please add the link to the bug? I'll have a look at it tomorrow | 22:00 |
| infinity | pitti: I'm not sure who to thank, but as my oldest partner in crime for ReducingDuplication, I'm happy to announce that the buildd chroots have gone down from 4 (!) libdb versions to just 1. | 22:03 |
| pitti | infinity: ooh, cool | 22:03 |
| calc | pitti: ok | 22:04 |
| calc | dendrobates: sure go head :) | 22:17 |
| dendrobates | calc: thanks. | 22:17 |
| Kmos | infinity: check sejon buildd machine.. Not available because: | 22:20 |
| Kmos | Builder returned BUILDERFAIL when asked for its status | 22:20 |
| infinity | Kmos: I'll poke it in a sec, thanks. | 22:26 |
| Kmos | :) | 22:27 |
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| infinity | Kmos: Fixed, thanks. | 22:40 |
| Keybuk | keescook: you were doing the procps merge, right? | 22:51 |
| keescook | Keybuk: yeah, it's ready to go -- I've been waiting for the linux-meta bump so people don't freak about about the new sys entry | 22:51 |
| keescook | (it's only in the new kernel) | 22:51 |
| keescook | but if you want me to, I can shove it in now | 22:52 |
| Keybuk | nothing to do with me | 22:52 |
| * Keybuk points at slangasek | 22:52 | |
| Keybuk | he's the merge-freeze-meister | 22:52 |
| keescook | well, I guess I better just upload it since today is the end-of-easy-merges | 22:53 |
| keescook | it doesn't actually break anything, it'll just frighten people who watch their init scripts 'ZOMG FAIL!' (when it doesn't actually) | 22:53 |
| Keybuk | "it's not a merge, it's a new upstream version" | 22:54 |
| tormod | keescook, hi that gthumb debdiff I asked you to look at also fixes a autopkgtest failure. maybe it's good to get in before rebuild tests start. | 23:01 |
| * LaserJock gives Keybuk a hug | 23:04 | |
| keescook | tormod: sorry, been behind in email -- still hunting upstream libcairo breakage. :( | 23:04 |
| Keybuk | ooh, huggage | 23:04 |
| LaserJock | Keybuk: you have -motu in collective jaw-drop followed by "wow!" ;-) | 23:05 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: Have you seen Emmets reply? :) | 23:06 |
| LaserJock | yes | 23:06 |
| Fujitsu | Keybuk: What did you mean by `most of the other technical teams'? ubuntu-dev will be a member of most unsupported seed teams? | 23:06 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: The latter point I think is very good. | 23:07 |
| Keybuk | err, I think that's what I meant | 23:07 |
| * persia read it the other way, but would be happy to be mistaken | 23:08 | |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: link to this email? | 23:10 |
| LaserJock | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-December/024854.html | 23:11 |
| Keybuk | what's the other way? | 23:11 |
| * Fujitsu is wondering that too. | 23:11 | |
| persia | Keybuk: That those who were members of ~ubuntu-dev, and not explicitly members of other teams would only have upload rights to unseeded software. | 23:12 |
| Keybuk | you'd need to be a member of a technical team, or ubuntu-dev or ubuntu-core-dev to upload software | 23:13 |
| Burgundavia | Keybuk: would that also mean a merge of Restriced and Multiverse? | 23:13 |
| Keybuk | s/ubuntu-dev/motu/ for the effect | 23:13 |
| TheMuso | Burgundavia: yes afaiu | 23:14 |
| Keybuk | since they're roughly equivalent teams, and I may have got them the wrong way round | 23:14 |
| Fujitsu | ubuntu-dev is the aggregate of motu and ubuntu-core-dev. | 23:14 |
| LaserJock | Keybuk: right, persia's argument, I think, was that as the number of technical team's becomes large the number of packages for "motu" becomes very small | 23:15 |
| Keybuk | LaserJock: which is why it should be members of them too | 23:16 |
| LaserJock | right, I think that's where the confusion was | 23:16 |
| Fujitsu | That's what I thought. | 23:16 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks for clarifying. | 23:16 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: this would make multiverse binary-only software | 23:19 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia: That's what most of restricted is. | 23:19 |
| Burgundavia | basically, take all the evil patentwise/dmcawise stuff and put it into restricted and leave the binary only stuff in multiverse | 23:19 |
| Fujitsu | I would have thought it would be the other way around. | 23:19 |
| Fujitsu | As restricted is meant to be safe, no? | 23:19 |
| Burgundavia | no restricted is stuff that is "needed" | 23:20 |
| Burgundavia | ati/nvidia drivers | 23:20 |
| Fujitsu | Can't I install and use stuff from restricted, safe in the knowledge that I won't be chased by patent owners, wherever I am? | 23:21 |
| persia | Keybuk: Thanks for the clarification: You've knocked down points 1 & 3 of my rebuttal. Only one to go :) | 23:21 |
| Fujitsu | Whereas we have patent-encumbered things in multiverse... | 23:21 |
| Fujitsu | Don't we? | 23:22 |
| TheMuso | Fujitsu: afaik we do yes | 23:22 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: yes, plugins-bad-mutiverse and plugins-ugly-multiverse | 23:22 |
| LaserJock | perhaps Multiverse/Restricted is a useful split still | 23:22 |
| * persia notes there is also a fair bit of purpose-restricted software in multiverse (non-commercial, non-military) | 23:22 | |
| Fujitsu | persia: Right. | 23:23 |
| Fujitsu | restricted and multiverse do have distinctions other than `support' | 23:23 |
| Fujitsu | main and universe do not. | 23:23 |
| persia | Since multiverse is enabled by default, I don't think restricted/multiverse makes sense as it is today. On the other hand, there is an argument for a different split based on patents / purposes / etc. | 23:23 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: not really | 23:23 |
| Fujitsu | multiverse isn't enabled by default, is it? | 23:23 |
| Burgundavia | restricted is merely the small subset of multiverse stuff that Canonical supports | 23:24 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: I believe it is but could be totally wrong | 23:24 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia: There are no patent/licensing issues in restricted, other than not being modifiable. | 23:24 |
| Burgundavia | most of mutliverse is the same boat | 23:25 |
| persia | Fujitsu: It is :( | 23:25 |
| Fujitsu | persia: Eww. | 23:25 |
| LaserJock | I thought there was also some restriction that Restricted was only drivers/firmware whereas Multiverse was anything | 23:25 |
| Burgundavia | things like adobe reader, flash, etc. | 23:25 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: It also has some MySQL documentation, IIRC. | 23:25 |
| LaserJock | fine then ;-) | 23:25 |
| Fujitsu | Adobe Reader is long gone. | 23:25 |
| Fujitsu | And I don't think most of it is just unmodfiable | 23:26 |
| persia | Burgundavia: There's heaps & heaps of stuff in multiverse that's either non-modifiable, non-commercial, or non-military, but otherwise sane (and has source). | 23:26 |
| Fujitsu | *unmodifiable | 23:26 |
| persia | Fujitsu: djb* (although new stuff should be going to universe for the next upload) is one example | 23:26 |
| Fujitsu | That's some of it. | 23:27 |
| Burgundavia | persia: yes, hence why some sort of sane distinction should be hammered out | 23:27 |
| persia | I think the majority of multiverse is non-commercial, but that might just be the packages I tend to touch. | 23:27 |
| persia | Burgundavia: Sure, but I think that is orthoganal to the restricted/multiverse question. | 23:27 |
| persia | /gan/gon/ | 23:28 |
| LaserJock | I thought a lot of it was just "not quite DFSG free" | 23:28 |
| Fujitsu | persia: The non-commercialism is my feeling too. | 23:28 |
| persia | LaserJock: Some is even just "depends on something else in multiverse" | 23:28 |
| LaserJock | very true | 23:29 |
| LaserJock | so we could have just a " \o/ " pile and a "ewww" pile ;-) | 23:29 |
| mjg59` | Trying to split multiverse into different sections based on whether there are patent issues or not would be a bad idea | 23:31 |
| Burgundavia | we should have a clear set of criteria. ie: non-commercial --> restricted or patent issues --> multiverse | 23:31 |
| Burgundavia | so if somebody wants to add a package, they could see what category it falls under and upload to the correct repo | 23:32 |
| Fujitsu | Non-commercial shouldn't be going into restricted, as it's a restriction on use. | 23:32 |
| Fujitsu | But having a proper split would be a very good idea. | 23:32 |
| mjg59` | Burgundavia: No. | 23:32 |
| persia | Burgundavia: PLease use alternate nomenclature to avoid confusion (even "foo" and "bar" would be preferable) | 23:32 |
| mjg59` | Burgundavia: Firstly, we are in no position to accurately judge whether something is covered by enforced patents in most cases. Pretending that we're doing so would be giving false comfort to users. | 23:33 |
| mjg59` | Burgundavia: Secondly, it potentially leaves us open to wilful infringement charges | 23:33 |
| Burgundavia | mjg59`: right, the second was an example | 23:34 |
| Burgundavia | persia: again, the basic idea of a checklist is what I am really arguing for, not the names or the specific naming of the repos, etc. | 23:34 |
| mjg59` | In any case, depending on what you mean by "use" there's plenty of stuff in restricted that has limitations on use | 23:35 |
| Burgundavia | right, multiverse is a whole pile of mostly really nasty issues | 23:37 |
| mjg59` | There's no point in trying to make sense of it. Restricted is "Evil but necessary", multiverse is everything else. | 23:37 |
| holo | hello | 23:57 |
| holo | let me just say that amd wine package is broken | 23:58 |
| holo | amd64 i mean | 23:58 |
| holo | it is extremely broken, not to say more | 23:58 |
| holo | /usr/lib32/wine/* | 23:58 |
| LaserJock | holo: bugs.ubuntu.com is a good place to tell us about that | 23:58 |
| holo | ok, i will | 23:59 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: bugs.ubuntu.com? | 23:59 |
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