[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:51] [Who] neil__ is n=neil@203.131.122.16 (neil)
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:51] [Who] BinRaDiN is n=radin@203.131.122.16 (Radin Rubis)
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:51] [Who] orven is n=orven@203.131.122.16 (orven e. llantos)
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:52] [Who] margonz_ is n=margonz@203.131.122.16 (margonz)
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:52] [Who] margonz is n=margonz@203.131.122.16 (margonz)
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:52] [Who] pvt_harv is n=pvt_harv@203.131.122.16 (Harvey Entendez Diaz)
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:52] [Who] chrystler is n=administ@203.131.122.16 (Chrystler)
[00:54] <Seeker`> !paste
[00:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:53] [Who] darrel_ is n=darrel@203.131.122.16 (Darrel)
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:53] [Who] darrel is n=darrel@203.131.122.16 (Darrel)
[00:54]  * Pumpernickel smacks LjL 
[00:54] <LjL> [01:53:53] [Who] End of /WHO list for 203.131.122.16
[00:54] <nalioth> LjL: is there a point?
[00:55] <LjL> nalioth: yeah, most of those are in #ubuntu for a start.
[00:55] <PriceChild> same ip
[00:55] <LjL> and i just muted the address.
[00:55] <tonyyarusso> That's no fun
[00:55]  * crdlb gives PriceChild a cookie
[00:55] <PriceChild> crdlb, woo
[00:56] <tonyyarusso> wish I know something about PHP and MySQL...blargh.
[00:57] <LjL> another thing is that they all(?) seem to be in #iosn
[00:58] <nalioth> unfortunately, clones.pl absolutely freaks out with the large channel capacity in #ubuntu
[00:59] <LjL> nalioth, i don't know about clones.pl, but
[00:59] <LjL> [01:51:54] <FloodBot3> WARNING: darrel, chrystler, neil__, orven, BinRaDiN are all connected from 203.131.122.16
[00:59] <nalioth> LjL: well, as a staffer, i need clones.pl to work  :(
[00:59] <LjL> previously, also margonz and rvcris were in that list
[01:01] <LjL> nalioth: is clones.pl rather than some other method a requirement?
[01:03] <nalioth> LjL: i use it in irssi
[01:03] <nalioth> it is not very functional in #ubuntu ( i suspect it may have a 999 nick limit or something)
[01:04] <LjL> nalioth, it would be pretty trivial to add a command to the floodbot to list all clones - if that's what clones.pl does
[01:04] <nalioth> LjL: irssi.org/scripts
[01:04] <LjL> nalioth: well from the short description there, it seems it's what it does
[01:12] <Pici> fyi, 203.131.122.16 belongs to a school in the Philippines
[01:12] <Pici> So it is possible that they are all students.
[01:14] <LjL> Pici: possible, still kind of weird they'd all join #ubuntu right now
[01:15] <nalioth> mebbe their teacher started up the ubuntu server
[01:15] <nalioth> and all their desktops joined
[01:16] <Pici> fyi, my clones.pl does nothing weird with Ubuntu.
[01:17] <LjL> nalioth, try "clones" in -monitor, is that what you're after
[01:17] <Pici> I have channel_max_who_sync set to 2000, which may make a difference.
[01:17] <LjL> Pici: that must hurt, too
[01:18] <Pici> Only when I join.
[01:18] <LjL> yeah well
[01:18] <LjL> at least i guess it's not like konversation's automatic /whois
[01:24] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, stdin said: !no brokenkde4 is <reply> If  you're trying to install KDE4 RC2  but getting errors about files being overwritten, first remove all the KDE4 packages using the !Terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin libplasma1 » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that i
[01:24] <stdin> if someone wants to update that (again) :)
[01:25] <PriceChild> that's a big factoid
[01:25] <PriceChild> it doesn't fit
[01:25] <PriceChild> how about a wiki page?1
[01:26] <jdong> stdin: get a room^H^H^^H^Hwiki page
[01:26] <stdin> PriceChild: it's just temporary, for those already effected. there is a wiki page with updated (working) instructions so it won't be needed
[01:26] <Pici> stdin: it doesnt fit anyway.
[01:26] <PriceChild> affected!!!!!
[01:26] <Pici> 'after that i------'
[01:26]  * Pici effects PriceChild 
[01:27] <PriceChild> By day, a humble irc op... by night.... Grammar Nazi!!!!!
[01:27]  * PriceChild wonders if that pinged anyone.... LjL!!!!!​
[01:28] <jdong> nazi pings people?
[01:28] <stdin> how about "If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal"
[01:28] <stdin> that works (tested) and does the same thing :)
[01:30] <LjL> PriceChild, no it didn't ping me, but it should have.
[01:30] <PriceChild> LjL, add it to the list :p
[01:32] <LjL> PriceChild, it was always there, it probably just has \bnazi\b as a regexp, which doesn't work with "!"
[01:33] <PriceChild> ah
[01:37] <javaJake> Is there a factoid in ubotu about noisy Amarok messages? :P
[01:37] <ubotu> Snuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (lavacano201014)
[01:38] <PriceChild> javaJake, the guidelines say no talking scripts or bots
[01:38] <PriceChild> that covers it
[01:38] <javaJake> OK. :)
[01:38] <stdin> PriceChild: he's been unresponsive in #k and #k-offtopic, (got a removed from #k)
[01:38]  * javaJake loves factoids
[01:39] <PriceChild> stdin, what do you think i should do?
[01:39] <stdin> PriceChild: whatever you like :) just saying asking him to stop probably isn't going to work as he was asked repeatedly before
[01:46] <high-freq> can someone test me plz
[01:47] <LjL> yes
[01:47] <LjL> high-freq: you're good
[01:47] <high-freq> thx
[01:47] <jdong> you've tested positive with a granulocyte count of 50mg/dL
[01:47] <high-freq> what is cause of it anyhow?
[01:47] <high-freq> hehe
[01:47] <jdong> I'm sorry, but you have 3 days to live.
[01:48] <high-freq> lol
[01:48] <jdong> ;-)
[01:48] <LjL> high-freq, router bug... your router tries to be helpful and open ports that it thinks are needed, but panics when the wrong ports are given
[01:48] <jdong> ah, did I learn anything from that HIV lecture today in bio.... nope just some offensive jokes :D
[01:48] <high-freq> aah ok
[01:48] <high-freq> damn routers
[01:48] <stdin> LjL: can you change brokenkde4 to "If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal" ? it should work for everyone now (and it's smaller)
[01:49] <LjL> !brokenkde4 is <reply> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[01:50] <LjL> !no brokenkde4 is <reply> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[01:50] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[01:50] <stdin> I'll tell riddell to update the instructions on the announcement page so people won't need to do that, but I've put a wiki page up for now
[01:53] <ubotu> Minataku called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic ()
 is a dodgy one...
[01:54] <PriceChild> stdin, nal is already there above if you missed him btw
[01:55] <stdin> PriceChild: yeah, that's why I was wondering why he called ops if one was already watching
[01:55] <stdin> Minataku is often, erm, "moody" anyway
[01:55] <LjL> minataku is agh.
[01:59]  * lavacano201014 nuked the amarok script
[02:00] <lavacano201014> now its sitting in a folder for a little "project" idea ive got
[02:00] <lavacano201014> that doesnt spam
[02:00] <PriceChild> !guidelines | lavacano201014
[02:01] <ubotu> lavacano201014: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:01] <PriceChild> Please go read that page quickly.
[02:01] <lavacano201014> heh, i cant be quick, i have slow computers
[02:01] <lavacano201014> but ill still read it
[02:04] <lavacano201014> read 'em
[02:06] <PriceChild> promise it won't happen again?
[02:07] <lavacano201014> yes
[02:08] <PriceChild> Thanks, you may rejoin #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:32] <Kagar> LjL - how long is my ban for?
[02:53] <Kagar> tonyyarusso -- do you know how long my ban from ubuntu-offtopis was set for?
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> Kagar: Refresh my memory - is that one of mine?
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> or ubotu could hate me
[02:54] <Kagar> well, LjL had done so, but I dunno if he's returned -- aswell, I thought there was like a global checklist or something.
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> %login
[02:54] <ubotu> OK
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[02:55] <somerville32> @btlogin
[02:55] <javaJake> Kagar, bans, AFAIK, are basically forever until someone removes it
[02:55] <Kagar> -_-
[02:55] <Kagar> all right, thanks fellas.
[02:55] <nalioth> javaJake: can we help you?
[02:55] <Seeker`> javaJake: Usually, an Op has a certain length of time in mind when they set it
[02:55] <Kagar> hmm.
[02:56] <javaJake> nalioth, no, sorry. This channel was actually rather interesting to watch, and thought I'd make a comment
[02:56] <javaJake> nalioth, if comments are unwelcome I'll be quiet.
[02:56] <nalioth> javaJake: have you read the /topic ?
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> Well, _technically_ they do stay in the channel until removed, but we usually remove them :)
[02:57] <javaJake> nalioth, would I be an idler? :P
[02:58] <nalioth> javaJake: :)
[02:58] <javaJake> Hmm, yea, OK
[02:58] <javaJake> Well, I guess I could always stick around until someone kicks me... or is that also a bad idea?
[02:59] <nalioth> GnuKemist: Martinp24: is there something we can help you with?
[02:59] <nalioth> javaJake: it's nice to respect the channels wishes
[02:59] <GnuKemist> nalioth: ?
[03:00] <javaJake> nalioth, *sigh*, true... true...
[03:00] <nalioth> GnuKemist: is there something we can help you with?
[03:00] <GnuKemist> nalioth: things are going smoothly today, thanks  ;)
[03:01]  * GnuKemist oh... was that a request for me to leave?
[03:02]  * GnuKemist assumes so
[03:02] <GnuKemist> g'night y'all
[03:03] <Seeker`> nalioth: what timezone are you in?
[03:03] <nalioth> Seeker`: United States Texas time
[03:03] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[03:04] <Seeker`> you seem to be active almost 24 hours a day sometimes :P
[03:04] <nalioth> i do?
[03:04]  * nalioth pushes his clone out of the way
[03:04] <nalioth> i do?
[03:04] <Seeker`> heh
[03:05] <Seeker`> nalioth: I'm sure i've seen you at all the different times of day
[03:05] <nalioth> i'm sure you have
[03:05] <somerville32> nalioth isn't the only one
[03:05] <Seeker`> which makes it difficult to determine when your nighttime is in relation to mine
[03:06] <nalioth> do you mean my 'down time' ?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> he doesnt' have downtime.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> he is a machine
[03:07] <tritium> no kidding
[03:07] <somerville32> nalioth is just another freenode service like ChanServ. Poor ChanServ... he always was a loner :(
[03:08] <Seeker`> heh
[03:08] <Seeker`> well, my "downtime" is != nighttime
[03:09] <Seeker`> seeing as, when i dont have any good reasons to get up, i tend to go to bed at 4am and wake up at midday
[03:18] <mneptok> somerville32: "shy, quiet, loner. nice guy, but seemed a little shy."
[03:19] <mneptok> somerville32: that's EVERY SERAIL KILLER, *EVER*
[03:19] <Daviey> Seeker`: go to bed >:)
[03:19] <mneptok> *serial
[03:19] <somerville32> lol
[03:28] <Seeker`> Daviey: you go to bed :P
[03:28] <Seeker`> Daviey: What are you doing up at this time?
[03:30] <no0tic> Seeker`, your timezone?
[03:30] <no0tic> Seeker`, I think I can beat you about downtime :)
[03:41] <Seeker`> no0tic: GMT
[03:41] <no0tic> GMT+1 :P
[03:44] <Seeker`> :P
[03:46] <no0tic> mine downtime is pretty similar to yours, and this is a little problem for my studies :)
[03:50] <mneptok> irc 1   |   college loans 0
[03:53] <no0tic> no loans luckly :) so irc 1 | real life 0
[03:54] <no0tic> most of time
[03:58] <mneptok> irc 0   |   women in $YOUR_LOCALE 1
[03:58] <mneptok> ;)
[03:59] <no0tic> man women
[03:59] <no0tic> no manual for women
[04:00] <mneptok> man man
[04:00] <mneptok> no manual entry for man
[04:00] <mneptok> (because i like my homoerotic sex completely automated)
[04:01] <no0tic> selfmade?
[04:06] <tritium> Anybody have a (modern) LaTeX resume/CV document class?
[04:11] <Pici> kinky
[04:21]  * tonyyarusso ponders how resumes are kinky...
[04:21] <Hobbsee> depends what the prior work experience is...
[04:21] <no0tic> I was typing it :P
[04:22] <Pici> It was the juxtaposition of sex from 2 lines before and LaTeX
[04:23]  * Pici scurries away
[04:23] <no0tic> lol
[04:23] <nalioth> Pici: do you run clones.pl ?
[04:23] <Pici> nalioth: in irssi, yes.
[04:23] <no0tic> nalioth, I run it :)
[04:25] <nalioth> Pici: does it freak out when you run it in #ubuntu ?
[04:25] <Pici> nalioth: What do you mean by freak-out?
[04:26] <nalioth> Pici: when i run clones.pl in #ubuntu, it returns every nick present
[04:26] <Pici> I dont get any unexpected output.
[04:26] <Pici> I have clones_min_show = 2
[04:27] <nalioth> it works fine in other channels
[04:27] <somerville32> Whats wrong with clones?
[04:27] <no0tic> nalioth, if could be of any help here too
[04:28] <Pici> nalioth: this is the version I'm using, I dont know if its different than the one in the main irssi package: http://dgl.cx/irssi/clones.pl
[04:29] <Pici> I didnt realize that scripts came with irssi until after I grabbed this.
[04:31] <nalioth> yep, that's the one i have.
[04:32] <Pici> channel_max_who_sync might also have something to do with it, mine is set to 2000
[04:32] <nalioth> dunno what that is
[04:34] <Pici> It has to do with syncing the channel on join.
[04:34] <no0tic> Pici, it does change the behaviour of clones.pl here
[04:39] <nalioth> well, i've been up 1d 3hrs and some minutes, and it still goes weird
[04:44] <nalioth> no0tic: Pici: here it is (mind the nicklist.pl [which screws up copy/paste]) http://pastebin.ca/813000
[04:47] <no0tic> nalioth, mine was the same. I setted channel_max_who_sync to a number higher than #ubuntu nicks, rejoined #ubuntu and now clones work
[04:47] <no0tic> *works
[04:48] <Pici> I had set that because I was having issues kicking/banning in the channel because it said I wasn't synced yet.
[04:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, regeya said: ubotu:  no, tovid is a video transcoding package aimed at creating DVDs and VCDs.  A howto can be found here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183936
[04:54] <nalioth> it's still crazy
[04:55] <nalioth> your thoery sucks
[04:55] <nalioth> i set it for 2000, and got half of the crazy block of nicks
[04:55] <nalioth> set it for 2500 and got MORE than in my original pastebin
[04:56] <Pici> Well... it does something then.
[04:56] <nalioth> ahh, 3000 seems to be the sweet spot
[04:56] <Pici> You are waiting until it says the channel is synced to try the /clone command, right?
[04:57] <nalioth> yep
[04:57] <Pici> Because it will probably take a little bit longer.
[04:58] <nalioth> what does channel_max_who_sync do?
[05:00] <no0tic> http://pastebin.com/m32ba3c6b <- clones with channel_max_who_sync = 2000
[05:00] <Pici> The maximum number of users that may be in a channel for irssi to issue a /who #channel in order to obtain the hostmasks of every participant.
[05:01] <Pici> I'm guessing its only grabbing those hostmasks of active nicks otherwise.
[05:01] <Pici> or something...
[05:01] <nalioth> ah, so setting it at 10000 won't hurt anything?
[05:02] <Pici> "If this is set too high, IRC servers might kick you for "SendQ exceeded"
[05:02] <Pici> From: http://poe.dyndns.org/~troc/notes/irssi-settings.text
[05:03] <nalioth> i suspect i might not be affected by that  :P
[05:03] <Pici> Although I dont think it would be an issue unless a channel actually had 10,000 people.
[05:03] <Pici> Or you joined and the total number of people in the channels you were in were that many.
[05:03]  * tonyyarusso ponders the 10000-strong #ubuntu...shudders
[05:11]  * elkbuntu ponders a 10000 strong *any* channel and shudders
[05:37]  * Hobbsee waits for kahyran's response.
[05:45] <ubotu> NikhtaSt called the ops in #ubuntu-gr ()
[05:52] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[05:53] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[09:45] <ubotu> In ubotu, ActySofts said: thx is Please read this: http://lumpio.no-ip.com/dont-use-thx-sry-plz.txt
[09:57] <Daviey> Sounds like someone is approaching the "burn out" we discussed :D
[10:04] <Tm_T> me?
[10:04] <Daviey> no, ActySofts
[10:22] <ikonia> I'm starting to see how exceptionally hard it is to do bug managment in launchpad on ubuntu
[10:23] <ikonia> my hat goes off to the triage guys
[11:03] <ikonia> why does EVERYONE always argue wtf
[11:03] <Tm_T> ?
[11:04] <ikonia> "please don't use wtf"
[11:04] <ikonia> why it means what the flop
[11:04] <ikonia> it's part of a game
[11:04] <ikonia> its my dogs name
[11:04] <ikonia> etc
[11:04] <Tm_T> well I don't argue
[11:04] <Tm_T> so it's not everyone always
[11:04] <ikonia> the mass majority
[11:04] <Tm_T> true
[13:16] <ikonia> guys, can I request an addition to the topic in #ubuntu to confirm the flash plugin is currently broke and is being fixed, then when the fix is released later tonight an udpate to say "flash is fixed"
[13:18] <Mez> ikonia, flash in gutsy ?
[13:18] <ikonia> yes
[13:18] <ikonia> and dapper
[13:18] <ikonia> Mez: any flash plugin thats not in hardy is borked at the moment
[13:19] <Mez> define "broken"
[13:19] <Myrtti> I don't remember updating my flash plugin
[13:19] <Mez> Myrtti, nor I
[13:20] <Mez> ikonia, what do you mean by "broke"
[13:20] <ikonia>  Mez the meta package for flashplugin-non free has a checksum error in the post file so the metapackage installs but the actual plugin is not installed
[13:21] <Mez> so, if already installed, it's fine ?
[13:21] <ikonia> Mez: this was caused by adobe changing the flash tar file that the meta package downloads
[13:21] <Myrtti> oh
[13:21] <ikonia> spot on
[13:21] <ikonia> new installs only
[13:21] <ikonia> the package has been fixed (I'm tesitng it now)
[13:21] <Mez> see #ubuntu
[13:21] <ikonia> so should be released later
[13:21] <ikonia> thanks !
[13:22] <ikonia> just may save a few people asking
[13:23] <Mez> !flashissues is <reply> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. A fix is on its way
[13:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[13:23] <Mez> !flashissues
[13:23] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. A fix is on its way
[13:23] <jussio1> ikonia: you should know no-one reads /topic... its just so you can snidely say: read /topic ! :P
[13:23] <Mez> jussio1, :P
[13:23] <jussio1> far out I am super lagged...
[13:24] <Hobbsee> bah.  ruddy macromedia.
[13:24] <Mez> ikonia, a nice factoid for you too
[13:24] <ikonia> jussio1: it may save "2" people
[13:24] <ikonia> Mez: appriciated
[13:24] <Mez> 2? you're an optimist then ?
[13:24] <jussio1> hahahaha
[13:24] <ikonia> yes, I'm a glass half full
[13:25] <Tm_T> ikonia: even when there's no glass?
[13:25] <ikonia> then I'm a "rats, my pants are wet" type of guy
[13:26] <Mez> lol
[13:26] <Tm_T> lol?
 then I'm a "rats, my pants are wet" type of guy
 lol
[13:29]  * Tm_T still don't get it
[13:29] <ikonia> Tm_T: I'm a glass is half full type of guy
[13:29] <ikonia> as in an optamist
[13:29] <ikonia> Tm_T: you said even whent there is no glass
[13:30] <Tm_T> yes
[13:30] <ikonia> I am then a "my pants are wet" type of guy as the half full glass without the glass is now on my pants
[13:30] <Tm_T> yes
[13:30] <ikonia> not get it ?
[13:30] <Tm_T> sorry, I fail to see why "lol"
[13:31] <ikonia> Hmmmm perhaps not as witty as I thought then
[13:31] <Tm_T> oh well, I never use lol myself so I usually don't understand its usage
[13:31] <ikonia> Tm_T: oooh it means something like "laugh out loud" as in "that's funny"
[13:32] <Tm_T> yes
[13:32] <ikonia> Tm_T: I don't use that sort of thing as I don't know them all
[13:32] <Tm_T> but it wasn't that funny to make laugh out loud IMO
[13:32] <ikonia> no, I appriciate I'm not that funny
[13:32] <Tm_T> :)
[13:33]  * Tm_T is old grumpy hermit
[13:33]  * ikonia is not funny
[13:34] <Seeker`> maybe its a British sense of humour type thing
[13:34] <Tm_T> nah
[13:34] <ikonia> I think it maybe
[13:34] <ikonia> british arn't funny
[13:35] <Tm_T> my humour isn't "lol" kind of anyway
[13:35] <ikonia> more a bill hicks type of guy
[13:35] <Tm_T> don't know that guy
[13:35] <ikonia> ok, I'm out
[13:35] <ikonia> as in out of ideas
[13:35] <Tm_T> but I love Chaplin, Burton, Monty Python and fellows
[13:52] <ikonia> check out #ubuntu please
[13:52] <ikonia> spammer
[13:52] <ikonia> flooding
[13:52] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[13:52] <ikonia> adrrian in #ubuntu flooding
[13:52] <ikonia> thanks
[13:53] <Tm_T> ikonia: please do ! ops | nick
[13:53] <ikonia> Tm_T: I need to get into the habiit on that, I know
[13:57] <Tm_T> ikonia: thanks
[13:57] <ikonia> habbit that should ready
[13:57] <ikonia> read
[13:58] <Gothfunc> hi.  i keep getting booted from #ubuntu because i am allegedly affected by an exploit, but i am not affected.  how can i make sure i never get booted from there again?
[13:59] <Tm_T> mmm, following instructions, aren't they given?
[13:59] <Gothfunc> how can i stop getting booted without needing to follow instruction (since i am not affected by the exploit)
[13:59] <Gothfunc> ?
[14:00] <Tm_T> Gothfunc: how you get booted exactly?
[14:00] <Tm_T> and how you can be sure you are not affected?
[14:00] <Gothfunc> i just join #ubuntu and it redirects me to #ubuntu-read-topic sometimes
[14:00] <Gothfunc> because i've been cleared many times before
[14:00] <Tm_T> ah, interesting
[14:00] <Tm_T> you're not booted then
[14:01] <Gothfunc> sorry, you're right, i meant banned
[14:01] <Gothfunc> or whatever :)
[14:01] <Tm_T> hmmm, I wonder, it could be that you try to join channel when we are closing the doors perhaps?
[14:01] <Gothfunc> well it keeps happening, it's quite annoying :(
[14:02] <Tm_T> awwww
[14:02] <Hobbsee> silly git.
[14:02] <Tm_T> I wonder...
[14:02] <Hobbsee> you're supposed to make sure you're not vulnerable *before* you make that kind of speech, Gothfunc
[14:02] <Gothfunc> lol
[14:02] <Gothfunc> weeeeird
[14:02] <Hobbsee> do you want me to throw you off again?
[14:03] <Gothfunc> i do apologise.  i assure you i've been cleared of the exploit before numerous times.  you're right i should have double checked this time.
[14:04] <Hobbsee> well, tripple check next time, because you're still vulnerable.
 i do apologise.  i assure you i've been cleared of the exploit before numerous times.  you're right i should have double checked this time.  are there more exploits of this nature?
[14:04] <Hobbsee> you still appear to be vulnerable.
[14:04] <Gothfunc> yes, i'll fix it shortly
[14:04] <Hobbsee> that's the only one that seems to effect linux-based people
[14:04] <Gothfunc> hm
[14:05] <Hobbsee> s/effect/affect/
[14:05] <Gothfunc> it's when you dcc me something weird right?
[14:05] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:05] <Gothfunc> ah wait...  i updated my router's firmware recently
[14:05] <Hobbsee> if you permanently change your port #, you'll be fine.
[14:06] <Hobbsee> the router updates only sometimes fix it
[14:06] <Hobbsee> (depending on the update)
[14:06] <Gothfunc> i'm suggesting that maybe the update BROKE it ;)
[14:06] <Gothfunc> brb
[14:07] <Gothfunc> how about now?
[14:10] <Gothfunc> fixed?
[14:11] <Hobbsee> nope.
[14:11] <Hobbsee> and curse compiz.
[14:12] <Gothfunc> now?
[14:14] <Gothfunc> grr, sorry, must be doing something wrong here
[14:14] <Hobbsee> hm
[14:14] <Hobbsee> i don't use xchat, sorry :)
[14:14]  * Tm_T is amused
[14:15] <Hobbsee> but throwing you off the network repeatedly is somewhat amusing :)
[14:15] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure hwy
[14:15] <crdlb> make sure you're changing it for the network you're actually using
[14:15] <crdlb> freenode is in the network list twice (Ubuntu Servers, and FreeNode)
[14:15] <Gothfunc> yeah that's what i'm doing now, cheers
[14:16] <Gothfunc> now? ;|
[14:19] <Myrtti> apparently not
[14:20] <Tm_T> Gothfunc: hi how can we help you?
[14:20] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: by stopping peer's revenge, perhaps?  :)
[14:20] <Tm_T> awww
[14:20] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: pwah.
[14:20] <Hobbsee> bah.
[14:20] <Myrtti> he's really in trouble
[14:21] <Hobbsee> so it seems
[14:21]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti just a little bit
[14:21]  * Tm_T hides
[14:21] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[14:22] <Hobbsee> any luck?  :)
[14:22] <Gothfunc> this is silly.  i've connected with /server irc.ubuntu.org/8001 now, so it should be fixed, but can't seem to get xchat-gnome to save the port change :s
[14:23] <Myrtti> aaaaannndnd the crowd is in awe
[14:23] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[14:23] <Hobbsee> there's some trick to that, but i've long forgotten what it is, i'm afraid.
[14:23] <Gothfunc> i was hoping it'd be on the wiki ;)
[14:24] <Gothfunc> ubuntu and freenode servers both show as 8001 in the preferences
[14:25] <Gothfunc> but the server window shows me connecting on 6667 still
[14:25] <Tm_T> meh
[14:25] <Tm_T> restarted client already?
[14:26] <Gothfunc> a few changes ago yeah, i'll give it a go now though
[14:26] <Hobbsee> *giggles*
[14:26] <Hobbsee> now that wasn't the intended response
[14:26] <Gothfunc> ok, that's done it, should have restarted after changing freenode preferences
[14:26] <Hobbsee> Gothfunc: it appears you have won at last :)
[14:26] <Gothfunc> haha
[14:26] <Tm_T> haha
[14:27] <Tm_T> woohoo!
[14:27] <Gothfunc> my pride doesn't feel like it's won
[14:27] <Hobbsee> excellent timing of jpatrick's, though
[14:27] <Myrtti> We have a winner?
[14:27] <Hobbsee> i'm sure i didn't miss
[14:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[14:27] <Gothfunc> sorry for ranting earlier when i was totally wrong
[14:27] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: heh, noticed
[14:27] <Gothfunc> hehe @ timing
[14:27] <Hobbsee> Gothfunc: no problem.  it's kind of amusing, especially when i can keep throwing you off the network.
[14:27] <Gothfunc> ;)
[14:27] <Hobbsee> just to prove the point
[14:27] <Myrtti> peelopallo gone wrong
[14:28] <Myrtti> :-D
[14:28]  * Gothfunc sees if he can update the wiki
[14:28]  * Tm_T pöwwöttää Myrtin tukan
[14:28]  * Tm_T hides
[14:28] <LjL> uh...
[14:29] <LjL> i *already* updated the wiki to state that the client must be restarted, didn't it?
[14:29] <LjL> i?
[14:29] <Myrtti> peelo = irc idiot, pallo = ball game
[14:29] <Myrtti> in this context
[14:29] <Myrtti> normally pallo would mean just ball
[14:30] <Myrtti> normally the game includes irc idiot, a op, ban and autorejoin on kick
[14:30] <Gothfunc> ljl: not sure, the change isn't on the latest page
[14:30] <LjL> !exploit
[14:30] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[14:30] <Gothfunc> LjL: also need to state that freenode needs to be changed
[14:30] <Myrtti> no, not ban, just kicks
[14:30] <LjL> Gothfunc: freenode needs to be changed?
[14:30] <Gothfunc> irc.freenode.net/8001
[14:30] <Gothfunc> or so it appeared from my adventures just now
[14:31] <Myrtti> some servers in IRCnet do some sort of client scanning when connecting
[14:31] <LjL> what i added last time was
[14:31] <Tm_T> yup
[14:31] <LjL> Remember that you will have to '''disconnect and reconnect''' to the IRC network in order for the change to take effects (if you don't know how to achieve that, closing and reopening your IRC client is an option).
[14:31] <Gothfunc> LjL: i'll include that in the update i'm making if ya like
[14:31] <LjL> it's already included
[14:32] <LjL> i added that on 18/11
[14:32] <Gothfunc> oh yeah
[14:32] <Gothfunc> at the top
[14:34] <Gothfunc> LjL: i think you actually have to restart the client rather than disconnect and reconnect though
[14:35] <LjL> that would be a bug in the client, are you really sure?
[14:35] <Gothfunc> LjL: it may be that the tab on the side keeps the old preferences until it's recreated
[14:35] <Gothfunc> LjL: and after being spectacularly wrong once already since i got here, no i'm not sure
[14:35] <Gothfunc> :P
[14:36] <Gothfunc> i suppose i could test it
[14:37] <LjL> i'm not on xchat so yeah i guess you could, but i guess the wording could just also be changed to "close and reopen it anyway"
[14:38] <LjL> "Remember that you will have to '''close and reopen your IRC client''' for the changes to take effect (or otherwise make sure that the new connection settings are applied on reconnection)."
[14:38] <Gothfunc> try?
[14:38] <Gothfunc> i should be vulnerable now
[14:38] <LjL> you don't seem to be
[14:38] <Gothfunc> ok, it must be a restart jobby
[14:39] <Gothfunc> also, i noticed if you click "close" on the preferences without first pressing enter when adjusting irc.ubuntu.com, it doesn't save your setting
[14:39] <Gothfunc> weirdness
[14:39] <LjL> looks like either a bug or one of those delicatessen of GTK
[14:40] <crdlb> xchat-gnome is incredibly buggy
[14:41] <jpatrick> I think xchat was removed from Hardy..
[14:42] <LjL> come again?
[14:42] <LjL> !info xchat hardy
[14:42] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.4-0ubuntu5 (hardy), package size 300 kB, installed size 808 kB
[14:42] <jpatrick> ah, no, it was bitchx
[14:42] <LjL> don't even joke about that
[14:42] <LjL> ah, bitchx can go
[14:42] <Tm_T> irssi <3<3<3
[14:43] <LjL> well i don't <3 irssi but bitchx is annoying enough with its highlight-triggering quit messages
[14:43] <Tm_T> heh
[14:47] <Gothfunc> updated, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[14:53] <LjL> thanks
[14:54] <Tm_T> danke
[14:54] <LjL> merci
[15:00] <Daviey> Shh
[15:02] <jpatrick> ssh*
[15:03] <LjL> telnet
[15:03] <Seeker`> rlogin
[15:04] <Daviey> zztelnet
[15:04] <Daviey> s/zz/z/
[19:13] <PriceChild> Just got your latest message to the list kahrytan, so what would you like to talk about?
[19:13] <kahrytan> I'm just here to hear anything you want to say in reply
[19:14] <PriceChild> Ok, so what do you want? How would you like this to be all sorted out?
[19:14] <kahrytan> I don't know
[19:17] <PriceChild> Ok so you've complained about three of the operators, and how they have treated you.
[19:17] <kahrytan> I just want more respect from ops and have them not jump to conclusions that I won't stop when asked.  Majority of the time, a remove/ban is not needed.
[19:19] <PriceChild> Right, and would you say that the first ban by ljl in -offtopic is a good example of this?
[19:20] <kahrytan> Yes.
[19:20] <kahrytan> I was just debating CoC.
[19:20] <PriceChild> one moment, phone
[19:20] <kahrytan> I didn't even msg  her after asked to stop.
[19:24] <Myrtti> hrmmh
[19:24] <Myrtti> her?
[19:24] <Myrtti> who?
[19:25] <kahrytan> Myrtti➲  irccouncil mailinglist
[19:26] <Myrtti> no where, but who
[19:27] <kahrytan> Talking about my last ban
[19:27] <Myrtti> not what, but who
[19:27] <Myrtti> [21:18] < kahrytan> I didn't even msg  her after asked to stop.
[19:27] <Myrtti> who?
[19:28] <Myrtti> LjL?
[19:28] <kahrytan> no
[19:32] <ikonia> not again
[19:33] <kahrytan> ikonia➲  Please dont start it again
[19:33] <ikonia> I'm not starting anything
[19:33] <Myrtti> how about you keep it to the mailing list
[19:33] <ikonia> I said not again as it's the same conversation in here again
[19:34] <kahrytan> No it's not.
[19:34] <PriceChild> Ok I am back.
[19:35] <kahrytan> I'm here to talk to PriceChild  and try to resolve it since he is better a handling things like this.
[19:36] <PriceChild> kahrytan, right so I'm glad we are happy to use that one incident as a base.
[19:37] <PriceChild> There are two things I think can be discussed about that situation. 1. Would I be right in believing that you stopped msg'ing riotkittie in pm about things like age etc. only after an operator requested you stop?
[19:38] <kahrytan> Yeah.
[19:38] <PriceChild> But not when riotkittie asked you to stop?
[19:38] <Myrtti> /me suddenly feels disgusted
[19:39]  * LjL will cry if someone assumes he's female again now
[19:39]  * LjL also goes to have dinner after a brief appearance
[19:39] <kahrytan> I didn't assume, ljl
[19:40] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲ I wanted to know but I shouldn't have pressed the issue.
[19:40] <PriceChild> Did you stop when riotkittie asked you to?
[19:41]  * Seeker` wonders what the strange character kahrytan keeps on putting after peoples nicknames is
[19:41] <kahrytan> No
[19:42] <kahrytan> Seeker`➲  What?!
[19:42] <Myrtti> I'm leaving the channel
[19:42] <PriceChild> kahrytan, please ignore him.
[19:42] <Myrtti> I'm just about to try to punch someone over ethernet
[19:44] <PriceChild> kahrytan, only a simple, short answer is required... "yes" or "no".
[19:44] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  I said no.
[19:45] <PriceChild> Ah sorry, didn't realise that was addressing me.
[19:46] <PriceChild> Do you think that was the right thing to do? Asking someone's age is quite a personal thing... and I can easily imagine that you don't go around everyone in -offtopic askign their age in private. Would you do the same thing again if the chance arose?
[19:48] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  No, and why is it such a private thing? It is a good way to know someone's life experiences.  I like to know cuz I can know the person better. There is a drastic different between early 20s person and late 40s.  And it gives me opportunity to understand them better
[19:50] <kahrytan> as far as riotkittie is concerned, I will talk to her about what happened but not ask her again but if she wants to tell, i would be happier.  She is complex. I can't seem to figure her out.
[19:52] <PriceChild> kahrytan, Can you understand that other people have different views, and may want to keep information about themselves like that private?
[19:53] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲ You got a better way to get know a person in 5mins w/o getting personal?
[19:53] <nalioth> kahrytan: this isn't a "getting personal" network
[19:53] <nalioth> this is a network that supports FLOSS
[19:53] <PriceChild> kahrytan, Can you understand that other people may have different views and not want to be personal?
[19:54] <nalioth> you don't need to "get personal" to collaborate on open source software
[19:54] <mc44> also, in 5 mins? You asked repeatedly, in pm and in the channel, over a number of days
[19:54] <nalioth> kahrytan: what would happen to you if you went to every cubicle in an office and tried to "get personal" ?
[19:54] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  I understand that But I like to get know people I am talking too.
[19:55] <PriceChild> kahrytan, ok... so if you understand that people may not want to share personal information like that, do you think it is unfair or not to persist, even after they have told you "no"?
[20:00] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲ It was rude of me to persist with riotkittie. But as you said, not everyone is the same. Some people dont mind it and some doo. riotkittie seems to mind it. And just last night, one person i talked to doesn't. Hell, we talked about starting a loco. I will try to not get so personal with people.
[20:01] <PriceChild> kahrytan, rude? Do you think it is right or wrong, to persist once someone has clearly stated "no"?
[20:01] <kahrytan> Why do you keep asking?
[20:05] <PriceChild> Because I believe it to be important in resolving this situation.
[20:05] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  Why do you keep asking over and over? I answered it. Susubtletylbeit but answered.
[20:06] <PriceChild> I would appreciate "clear" answers... on which to build a little logic and argument.
[20:06] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  Saying it was rude of me is saying yes.
[20:06] <PriceChild> ok right
[20:06] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲ I was just trying to explain myself
[20:06] <PriceChild> Would you still do the same if the situation came up again?
[20:07] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  Persist? No. Ask? I am curious but I can ask  in more polite matter. ie, Ask them if they mind me asking
[20:08] <kahrytan> and I already apologized to riotkittie just now
[20:08] <PriceChild> Great.
[20:08] <PriceChild> So we have established that the continued asking of riotkittie, (happy with the word "harassing"? as it has been used by both parties so far) was wrong, shouldn't have happenned and won't happen again?
[20:09] <kahrytan> Yes
[20:10] <PriceChild> Ok so moving on from that specific incident, and how you were asked to stop by both riotkittie and ops...
[20:11] <kahrytan> I forgot
[20:12] <Jack_Sparrow>  the link for !gparted needs changing to http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[20:12] <PriceChild> You then proceeded to defend your actions in #ubuntu-offtopic, claiming the Ubuntu Code of Conduct does not prohibit "harrassing" another user like you did?
[20:12] <ompaul> !gparted
[20:12] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[20:13] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, a moment please
[20:13] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[20:13] <PriceChild> kahrytan, could you tell me if you still believe that? (http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct)
[20:13] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲ I believe it should be amended to specifically cover it in the wording.
[20:13] <ompaul> !gparted
[20:13] <ubotu> GParted is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[20:13] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, ^^
[20:14] <Jack_Sparrow> You are good... thanks.
[20:14] <PriceChild> kahrytan, could you take a quick look at the "Be respectful" and tell me if your opinion changes?
[20:16] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲ I needed a dictionary lesson with meaning "  To avoid violation of or interference with"
[20:17] <PriceChild> I'm sorry I don't understand?
[20:17] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  so yes.
[20:17] <PriceChild> Your opinion has changed?
[20:18] <kahrytan> Yes. Dictionary helped
[20:19] <PriceChild> Ok cool so we're happy that harrassing another user is against the CoC, and so channel guidelines.... so bad.
[20:20] <kahrytan> We agree on something now
[20:20] <PriceChild> *cheers*
[20:20] <PriceChild> Right.
[20:20] <PriceChild> The ban in -offtopic.... still unhappy with it?
[20:21] <Stormx2> * Received a CTCP PING 1197490838 from Palionu
[20:21] <Stormx2> -Palionu- Your Ping Reply is: (0) Second(s) «€» P®ðfê§§ïðñå£ §©®ïþt «€» 6.03
[20:21] <Stormx2> This a problem?
[20:21] <PriceChild> Stormx2, what time?
[20:21] <Stormx2> Just now.
[20:21] <Stormx2> Right after I asked my question in #ubuntu
[20:22] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  That I will talk to LjL  about. But still unhappy ops not giving enough respect.
[20:22] <PriceChild> Stormx2, I think it was private then... I'd advise you to settle it in pm with palionu, advise its rude etc.
[20:23] <LjL> Stormx2, not a channel issue as long as it only happens to one person, but perhaps you want to ask him why he did it
[20:23] <PriceChild> kahrytan, You have brought this issue to the IRC Council. I am attempting to deal with it now.
[20:24] <ompaul> kahrytan, respect and trust are two way - not to be enforced - you really have not worked out what respect would mean, given that you feel that you got none having being asked to respect someone else
[20:24] <kahrytan> ompaul➲  I always try to be nice to people.
[20:25] <LjL> "i hate ubuntu ops" being an example, i s'pose
[20:25] <kahrytan> cuz I wasnt getting respect?
[20:26] <ompaul> you got referred to here, you would not come here
[20:26] <ompaul> it is a published method for dispute resolution
[20:26] <LjL> that's still just your own unfounded opinion. also, i don't think the CoC says "be respectful only if you're getting respect". you still haven't understood a thing.,
[20:26] <ompaul> LjL, +1
[20:26] <kahrytan> But when I come here, I feel like i'm be ganged up on and ops take each other sides.
[20:27] <LjL> kahrytan, you refused to come here *in the first place*
[20:28] <Stormx2> what's all this then?
[20:28] <LjL> Ubmin: need a test?
[20:28] <Ubmin> I can't get into #ubuntu because it thinks that I have a faulty router
[20:28] <Ubmin> yeah
[20:28] <LjL> Stormx2: wha?
[20:28] <Ubmin> my router is fine.
[20:28] <stdin> or not
[20:28] <kahrytan> LjL➲  I refused to come here because I feel like i'm ganged on up and take each other sides .. umm like now.
[20:28] <LjL> ubmin: no it's not. please read the channel topic again and follow the instructions
[20:29] <Stormx2> LjL: With kahrytan here.
[20:29] <ompaul> to be fair, we are not taking sides, you choose your actions - your comments, every effort is made to be fair
[20:29] <kahrytan> LjL and Ompaul are standing up for each other as of now
[20:29] <Ubmin> hrm, i'm using PJIRC, i'll try
[20:29] <ompaul> Stormx2, nothing, is there something else we can help you with?
[20:29] <LjL> kahrytan: i think we're standing up for each other because we all personally believe you're wrong.
[20:30] <Stormx2> ompaul: No, sorry.
[20:31] <kahrytan> Saying i'm wrong isn't a good way to put that.
[20:32] <LjL> sorry, suggest something better then
[20:32] <kahrytan> I don't know
[20:32] <Ubmin> LjL: i tried setting the port in the URL but no go :( do you know anything about pjirc?
[20:32] <PriceChild> Ubmin, is that a web client?
[20:33] <Ubmin> yes
[20:33] <LjL> Ubmin, are you running it on your own system, or are you using some public pjirc server?
[20:33] <kahrytan> LjL➲  You should try to change my mind and not tell me outright i'm wrong. it's not considerate, imho
[20:33] <Ubmin> it's a public
[20:33] <Ubmin> hrm
[20:34] <ompaul> kahrytan, What would have been this "respect" you were due? A few moments ago you concurred that the comments made /behaviour portrayed as being out of order, yet it appears that you do not see that they should have been sanctioned, this is a world view I can't understand, however I don't think I am missing anything, unless you can enlighten me or for that matter the OP. #
[20:34] <ompaul> where OP = other person#
[20:34] <LjL> kahrytan, the thing is that after the behavior you showed i'm now totally uninterested in trying to change your mind. you've been banned several times before, i believe, and this is really too much now -- not so much the ban itself (which i believe was justified, at any rate), but the subsequent behavior. so, you need to put up with the fact that i am perfectly happy with the current state of things.
[20:34] <LjL> Ubmin: url please
[20:36] <kahrytan> ompaul➲  would you mind using different wording?
[20:36] <ompaul> kahrytan, where?
[20:37] <kahrytan> ompaul➲  your last comment, I didnt quite catch what you are getting at
[20:37] <Ubmin> LjL: http://gogloom.com/client2/index2?mainCHAT=1&network=FreeNode&channel=%23ubuntu
[20:40] <ompaul> kahrytan, I can't say it some other way, I guess you got to parse the question at the beginning and answer that, then you can try to deal with the statement which I think justifies the question at the beginning.
[20:41] <kahrytan> and as for LjL , It seems you are unwilling to resolve any issues. And you are telling me I am wrong  without offering any constructive criticism. So  it seems that I need a third party, as stated in COC,   when talking to you. We aren't getting anywhere  with resolving this.
[20:41] <LjL> Ubmin: uhm i can't even get it to work. isn't there another way you can connect? why do you need to use a java applet?
[20:41] <Ubmin> LjL: well i'm giving irssi a shot right now
[20:41] <Ubmin> LjL: i just hadn't installed one on this system yet and it was the easiest way at the time
[20:42] <LjL> kahrytan, yep, i think you've had quite a bit of chatting with third parties now... and on the ML... and i could offer you constructive criticism, but 1) all that i'd have to say has already been said by others 2) i'm unwilling to unban you anyway
[20:42] <Ubmin> LjL: weird. with irssi it let me right in. my router must not be the issue. thanks for your help. :)
[20:42] <LjL> Ubmin, no, it's the nickname.
[20:42] <LjL> you're still vulnerable
[20:42] <kahrytan> LjL➲  Nothing others have said can be constructive for you.
[20:43] <LjL> (if you're connected to 6667)
[20:43] <Daviey> Ubmin: irssi is _the_ irc client anyway - all the cool kids use it
[20:43] <LjL> kahrytan: define constructive
[20:43] <Tm_T> kids?
[20:43] <Ubmin> Daviey: yeah i know, i prefer it
[20:43] <kahrytan> LjL➲  To build one up
[20:43] <LjL> Ubmin: are [scooter] and ka0zoz both you?
[20:43] <kahrytan> LjL➲  to improve
[20:43] <Ubmin> oh great, another troll trying to make a case out of BS?
[20:44] <Ubmin> LjL: i am the former, not the latter
[20:44] <PriceChild> Ubmin, lets please keep to your issue and ignore all else
[20:44] <LjL> Ubmin: shall i test scooter?
[20:44] <Ubmin> LjL: please
[20:44] <LjL> vulnerable
[20:44] <ompaul> Daviey, sorry that client is for people who don't do gui's someone has to test them to the n'th
[20:45] <kahrytan> ompaul➲  right now, I feel like I am not being shown enough consideration by LjL. and Getting to the point of being disrespectful.  Though, just an opinion as always
[20:45] <Daviey> kahrytan: nobody will even think of entertaining your claims without logs
[20:46] <Tm_T> Myrtti <3
[20:47] <Myrtti> are we done yet?
[20:47] <LjL> kahrytan: ok, see, what i can tell you is that, in my opinion, it's very rarely useful to start from the assumption that a group of people is conspiring against him. in the specifics, this meant that if you 1) had joined -ops as requested, and 2) didn't join -ops with an opening phrase of "i hate ubuntu ops" (and all the subsequent arguments and nitpicking over side-issues, actually irrelevant issues)
[20:47] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I'm never done with you
[20:47] <LjL> i'd most likely have unbanned you
[20:47] <Myrtti> ok, we're not
[20:47] <Tm_T> :(
[20:48] <LjL> do you call such suggestion constructive? if i'm right about it, then i suppose it could help you next time you're banned from somewhere.
[20:48] <[Scooter]> LjL: any results yet?
[20:48] <LjL> [Scooter]: yeah, you're vulnerable, i said
[20:49] <LjL> i tested you before you joined
[20:49] <[Scooter]> ok, thanks
[20:49] <LjL> with irssi though, just follow the instructions to set port 8001
[20:49] <LjL> when you're done ask again
[20:52] <[Scooter]> LjL: ok, let's give this one more go :)
[20:52]  * [Scooter] crosses fingers
[20:52] <LjL> [Scooter]: passed
[20:52] <kahrytan> LjL➲  I think but not sure I already said "i hate ubuntu ops" was bad in  the PriceChild conversation, which is going far better then ours. I don't like joining -ops out of fear being ganged up on. There 32 ops here.  And yes, you are getting better at constructive.
[20:52] <[Scooter]> LjL: thank you, it is much appreciated. :)
[20:53] <jdong> 32 ops here is a bit of an overstatement, given that most of them are not involved in your discussion :)
[20:54] <PriceChild> kahrytan, starting to understand the reasoning behind how you have been treated/
[20:54] <Tm_T> mmmmmh
[20:54] <kahrytan> PriceChild➲  What do you mean?
[20:55] <Tm_T> kahrytan: just from my side: I don't gang up, if I disagree, I do say it out
[20:55] <ompaul> kahrytan, why are you here, other than trying to get LjL to remove the ban, that is what PC meant
[20:55] <PriceChild> kahrytan, The bans, the reasons for ops removing/banning... the way we have ended here.
[20:56] <kahrytan> ompaul➲  I am here to resolve issues with LjL. I'm not done
[20:56] <Tm_T> interesting
[20:57] <Daviey> Tm_T: when you say interesting, do you mean interesting in a sort of not way?
[20:57] <ompaul> kahrytan, I strongly advise you that you consider PriceChild's last comment, and don't try to get him to restate it again. It means what it says.
[20:58] <kahrytan> ompaul➲  and perhaps so I can see the light at the end of the tunnel in the future.
[20:58] <mc44> [B[B[B[B[D[A/win 1
[20:58] <Tm_T> mc44: no wins in this round
[20:59] <Daviey> kahrytan: maybe go for a while and come back in a few days / week would help?  Spend some time thinking how this situation happend
[20:59]  * ompaul points at mc44 and sniggers
[20:59] <Seeker`> mc44: what do you use?
[20:59] <ompaul> Seeker`, it ain't on ubuntu methinks
[20:59] <LjL> what has /win 1 as a command?
[20:59] <mc44> an incredibly laggy screen with irssi
[20:59] <Tm_T> mc44: no explanations
[20:59] <kahrytan> ompaul➲  PC didnt ask why I am here.
[21:00] <LjL> mc44: you ain't on ubuntu?
[21:00] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[21:00] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[21:00] <Seeker`> LjL: i know irssi does, but I dont know if that is the only client :)
[21:00] <ompaul> kahrytan, PriceChild> kahrytan, The bans, the reasons for ops removing/banning... the way we have ended here. <PriceChild> kahrytan, starting to understand the reasoning behind how you have been treated/
[21:00] <ompaul> kahrytan, I beg to differ
[21:02] <kahrytan> LjL➲  We're finish this later. We still got unresolved issues.  and ompaul  wants me gone obviously. PC doesn't.
[21:03] <LjL> i don't really want to stay trapped into this illogical circular discussion anymore, so since i know i can't keep myself from responding
[21:03] <ompaul> he is gone
[21:04] <LjL> will you please tell kahrytan when he comes back that if he has perhaps issues with *me*, they are not issues for this channel, and that he should rather talk to *me* (IF i'm willing to discuss with him)?
[21:04] <LjL> if he's got issues with his ban, then it's another story, but i think he's had plenty of opportunity to appeal it.
[21:06] <PriceChild> I would like to pm him now.... explain that we would like to settle this now, and if he is going to ignore this and leave of his own accord, that we will consider the situation wrt ubuntu-irc resolved?
[21:06] <PriceChild> gah offlien
[21:08] <LjL> PriceChild: a /quit is not a /part. anyway i think we can consider the situation resolved already. he's talked to a good number of ops. he doesn't have to waste any more time.
[21:08] <LjL> for personal issues with me, which he seemed to be saying is the only ones he's still got, there is PRIVMSG LjL.
[21:11] <mneptok> *sigh*
[21:12]  * mneptok ignored that all-too-obvious oncoming locomotive
[21:12] <mneptok> that guy is ... i ... he ... munh ...
[21:12]  * mc44 gives mneptok a chew toy
[21:12] <ompaul> mneptok, have an ice cube
[21:12] <mneptok> uhh, this is a dead squirrel.
[21:12] <mneptok> thanks, but no, mc44
[21:12] <mc44> mneptok: oh, you wanted a live one
[21:13] <mneptok> yes'm
[21:13] <ompaul> slinkies rule
[21:15] <ompaul> mneptok, can you do me a favour?
[21:15]  * ompaul grins evilly 
[21:17] <ompaul> wikipedia: In the 1989 comedy film Ghostbusters II, Harold Ramis' Egon character claims that, as a child, his parents didn't believe in toys. "I did have a Slinky. But I straightened it."
[21:26] <mneptok> ompaul: watchya need?
[21:26] <ompaul> mneptok, ask your colleagues to get cloaks for IRC
[21:26] <ompaul> pretty pretty please
[21:28] <ompaul> mneptok, that is what I want - what I need is someone to tell me how to get rte.ie playback working on my dads boxen
[21:28]  * ompaul looks for something to bribe mneptok with
[21:28] <ompaul> candy floss
[21:28] <ompaul> that always works </mr bean voice>
[21:31] <xblackfire> is posible request a custom cloaks like  "ubuntu-ni/member/nickname" ?
[21:31] <ompaul> !register | xblackfire
[21:31] <ubotu> xblackfire: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[21:32] <ompaul> xblackfire, the ubuntu cloaks are for ubuntu-members
[21:32] <mneptok> ompaul: what nicks are problematic?
[21:32] <ompaul> !membership | xblackfire
[21:32] <ubotu> xblackfire: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[21:32] <nalioth> are we far enough along from etch that i can install it and upgrade it to gutsy?
[21:32] <ompaul> mneptok, pmatulis, TeTeT, komputes, kierov
[21:33] <mneptok> k
[21:33] <ompaul> nalioth, ooch
[21:33] <nalioth> i take that as "use sarge instead"
[21:33] <ompaul> nalioth, if you did a minimal install and then installed ubuntu-desktop or whatever then ___maybe___ but I would not suggest it ever in any forum
[21:34] <ompaul> nalioth, and I will use my logs to prove it
[21:34] <nalioth> i've got a computer that boots cdroms but i can't figure out what to change to get it to see my local archive
[21:34] <ompaul> nalioth, ahhh
[21:34] <ompaul> apt-proxy
[21:35] <ompaul> nalioth, which rocks in several ways
[21:35] <ompaul> mostly you can have many machines pointing at one box and they all use what is common and then deliver unique debs to the proxy server so if you start some changes it really gets good
[21:38]  * nalioth goes to raise his blood pressure
[21:40] <nalioth> every bloody installer should have network install options
[21:40]  * jdong feeds nalioth some nitro tablets :)
[21:40]  * nalioth doesn't need many, as he's quite volatile already
[21:41] <Tm_T> mooh
[21:43] <ompaul> Tm_T, thank goodness you got the h in after the moo
[21:44] <Tm_T> ?
[21:44] <ompaul> Tm_T, I have problems when I see the first three letters in a channel - mostly to do with cowsay
[21:45] <Tm_T> I see
[21:45]  * somerville32 doesn't.
[22:00] <PriceChild> 4Hqc5wi
[22:00] <Tm_T> ok
[22:00] <PriceChild> I'm going to kill gnome
[22:01] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[22:01] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu (Lyricson spam)
[22:01] <mc44> PriceChild: at least your password is nice and secure. Well, was ;)
[22:02] <PriceChild> mc44, i've got no openssh atm so useless anyway unless you know where I live :P
[22:03] <ompaul> PriceChild, what did gnome do on you? ;-)
[22:03] <mc44> ompaul: stole his focus, I'm guessing :)
[22:03] <ompaul> PriceChild, Look over there ---->
[22:03] <PriceChild> ompaul, it randomly turns the monitor off but not screensaver on depending on what it feels like
[22:04] <PriceChild> and I'm silly and don't wait for the monitor when putting in password...
[22:04] <ompaul> PriceChild, okay
[22:05] <Tm_T> nalioth: still there?
[22:06] <nalioth> nope
[22:06] <Tm_T> meh
[22:06] <Tm_T> 0004.41 < nico666> look this video wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUogk1lRhI
[22:06] <Tm_T> 0004.44 -!- nico666 [i=tuonick@host171-255-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
[22:06] <PriceChild> spammed that in several channels
[22:06] <PriceChild> not just #ubuntu
[22:06] <Tm_T> yup
[22:06] <Tm_T> or #kubuntu
[22:07] <nalioth> is it nasty?
[22:07] <Tm_T> no idea, but still spamming
[22:07] <Tm_T> my gnash doesn't play youtube currently
[22:08] <Tm_T> with Konqueror that is
[22:09] <nalioth> terminate his channel presence
[22:10] <Tm_T> gone already IIRC in everywhere
[22:11] <jpatrick> it's a music live video of some local band
[22:11] <jpatrick> some cheap ad
[22:11] <Tm_T> ahah
[22:49] <Tm_T> oooo
[22:49] <LjL> Tm_T: what, too few bans for your liking?
[22:49] <Tm_T> ompaul: you removed xp_killer/mii/wii/whatever too?! :O
[22:50] <LjL> Tm_T: you don't want to be waiting for another laugh?
[22:50] <LjL> anyway, last time he joined from a different address
[22:50] <Tm_T> LjL: I do!
[22:50] <Tm_T> LjL: true, though it isn't his daily address
[22:50] <Tm_T> more like, I've been waiting that
[22:51] <LjL> he'll be back, but i doubt it will be soon
[22:51] <stdin> he'll poke you in #kde anyway :p
[22:51] <Tm_T> stdin: and #amarok and #kopete and, uhm, some others
[22:55] <stdin> bah, I'm at my 20 channel limit "#ubuntu-meeting :You can't join that many channels"
[22:56] <nalioth> that's a protection mechanism (it's boring in -meeting)
[22:56] <ompaul> rofl
[22:56] <LjL> stdin: but if you really want to join it...
[22:57] <ompaul> hahaha
[22:57] <ompaul> on da ball
[22:58] <stdin> nah, I'll part one of other channels I don't care about :)
[22:59] <LjL> you care about *this* channel?
[22:59] <LjL> get help.
[22:59] <Tm_T> I do care a lot of this channel
[23:00] <LjL> waiting for wiidot?
[23:00] <Tm_T> ?
[23:00] <stdin> LjL: well I get to watch people throw tantrums about bans in here
[23:00] <Tm_T> no, I don't need to wait him
[23:00] <stdin> and also non-ops do the same
[23:02] <no0tic> yes, I'm here for that!
[23:17] <Tm_T> mmmmh
[23:17] <Tm_T> come on, did I do something wrong in #kubuntu ?
[23:17] <LjL> what?
[23:17] <Tm_T> look
[23:18] <Tm_T> meta
[23:18] <Tm_T> mmmmh
[23:18] <Tm_T> stdin: is that your answer?
[23:18] <LjL> spose
[23:18] <LjL> *shrug*
[23:18] <stdin> Tm_T: he's had that coming for a while, and that was the last straw
[23:18] <Tm_T> aah ok
[23:18] <Tm_T> :(
[23:19] <Tm_T> shame
[23:20] <stdin> blatantly disregarding the rules is one thing, but being so disrespectful and down right rude is another
[23:20] <Tm_T> true
[23:20] <Tm_T> but not the end I wanted
[23:21] <stdin> also it's not good to let others in #kubuntu see that behaviour going unpunished
[23:21] <Tm_T> true
[23:22] <LjL> can always invite him here to discuss
[23:37] <ardchoille> I have been made an ubuntu member and would like an irc cloak to reflect that. What must I do now?
[23:37] <Tm_T> ardchoille: muh
[23:38] <stdin> before someone asks, have you set an alternate nick and linked it?
[23:38] <stdin> ..and set an email address
[23:38] <PriceChild> Also please give us your launchpad.net profile page
[23:38] <ardchoille> stdin: I have
[23:38] <Tm_T> yuh
[23:39] <ardchoille> Launchpad profile  https://launchpad.net/~ardchoille42
[23:39] <Tm_T> PriceChild: heh, I wonder if I could somehow combine KDE and Ubuntu cloaks
[23:40] <stdin> Tm_T: how about @ubuntu/memver/kde.developer.jkekkonen ?
[23:40] <PriceChild> nalioth, could you cloak ardchoille please?
[23:40] <Tm_T> stdin: could be
[23:40] <PriceChild> stdin, Tm_T freenode don't usually combine non staff/pdpc/cacert cloaks
[23:40] <stdin> Tm_T: with "member" spelt correctly :)
[23:40] <Tm_T> PriceChild: I know
[23:41] <Tm_T> PriceChild: that's why I'm wondering if it can be done any way
[23:45] <nalioth> cloak him with what?
[23:46] <LjL> nalioth: u/m/
[23:54] <ardchoille> nalioth: Thank you very much :)
[23:55]  * nalioth didn't do it
[23:56] <nalioth> whatever it was
[23:56] <ardchoille> my cloak change?
[23:56] <PriceChild> Do we have a silent staffer watching over?
[23:56]  * tomaw didn't either
[23:56] <ardchoille> oh
[23:56] <ardchoille> My thanks to whomever did it :)
[23:57] <nalioth> oh, that.
[23:57] <nalioth> that's nothing.
[23:57] <ardchoille> It is to me :)
[23:58] <nalioth> the clothes don't make the man
[23:58] <ardchoille> Ah, good point that
[23:58] <stdin> no, but they make the man look good :p
[23:58] <ardchoille> Indeed
[23:59] <no0tic> stdin, :D