[01:16] <me4u> hello
[01:16] <me4u> could anyone help me solve this poroblem with the young theme
[01:21] <Burgundavia> me4u: the young theme?
[01:21] <HedgeMage> me4u:  Don't ask to ask, just ask -- if someone knows they will come out of the woodwork
[01:21] <HedgeMage> heya, Burgundavia
[02:05] <ari_stress> morning all :D
[02:17] <HedgeMage> hi ari_stress
[02:20] <ari_stress> wazzup HedgeMage
[02:20] <ari_stress> nice nickname
[02:21] <HedgeMage> thanks :)
[13:28] <santiago> i have ubuntu, why should i change to edubuntu
[13:31] <Bauer|> if it's just a desktop/home computer there is no reason. edubuntu is a TS-platform, designed especially for schools
[13:33] <santiago> i am a college student, has it someting special to offeo
[13:35] <Bauer|> edubuntu-server is a terminalserver. You can use very old computers as clients, since the server does most of the work. but if you are just talking about your personal computer, there should not be any reason for changing to edubuntu
[13:36] <santiago> thanks.
[13:47] <RichEd> Bauer|: I just missed santiago ... your response is not 100% ... edubuntu also has an education menu section, with a bunch of applications that are installed by default
[13:47] <RichEd> the apps are mainly geared at the moment to say 4-14 year old kids
[13:48] <RichEd> all apps are available from the add/remove from ubuntu as well ... or else a user can install edubuntu-desktop package on top of ubuntu
[13:49] <RichEd> so for a home PC used also by school age kids - edubuntu is a good option
[14:04] <Bauer|> ok, I did not think that his computer was used by kids, since he said he was a college student
[14:32] <Nubae> Hi, I read autologin has now been fixed for clients of 7.10... is this true? and so how...?
[14:45] <RichEd> bug #161794
[14:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161794 in ltsp "autologin doesn't work" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161794
[14:46] <Flosoft> hi
[14:46] <Flosoft> I have setup IPCop and Edubuntu
[14:46] <RichEd> Nubae: see " Francis Giraldeau
[14:46] <RichEd>  * new patch to prevent regression" on the page link above
[14:46] <Flosoft> IPCop connects to the current school network, and edubuntu is the new one :)
[14:47] <Flosoft> now I want to use the DHCP server from the IPCop
[14:47] <Nubae> cool thanks
[14:47] <Flosoft> not the Edubuntu one
[14:47] <Flosoft> how do I do that?
[14:47] <Flosoft> the Edubuntu Server has 2 Interfaces
[14:47] <Flosoft> I want to use LTSP & Co ... but I can set the records in IPCop
[14:48] <Flosoft> (PXE Boot)
[14:49] <RichEd> Flosoft: does this help ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402126
[14:51] <Flosoft> not really
[14:51] <Flosoft> Edubuntu runs a DHCP Server
[14:51] <Flosoft> the only question now is, how do I disable it on both interfaces?
[14:53] <RichEd> Flosoft: I'm not too sure ... ogra ^ any ideas ?
[14:55] <Flosoft> I just want to use IPCop as we'll also use it as a transparent proxy etc.
[14:55] <Flosoft> so it is easier to have everything what is linked in with the network on one machine
[14:55] <Flosoft> and then use Edubuntu just as LTSP Server
[14:55] <Flosoft> and PXE boot ....
[14:58] <Nubae> so just turn off dhcp
[14:58] <Flosoft> apt-get remove dhcp3-server?
[14:58] <Flosoft> won't that cause any problems with the LTSP environnement?
[14:58] <Nubae> no /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop
[14:58] <Nubae> no
[14:58] <Flosoft> so apt-get remove is possible too?
[14:59] <Nubae> no I wouldnt do that
[14:59] <Flosoft> hmm ok
[14:59] <Flosoft> but then also remove it from the boot?
[14:59] <Nubae> just stop it, next time the server restarts youll have to restart manually if you want
[14:59] <Flosoft> ah
[14:59] <Flosoft> so it won't restart on boot?
[14:59] <Nubae> well, to be sure take it out of rc
[15:00] <Flosoft> ok
[15:01] <Nubae> RichEd, the thread mentions something about a .deb package
[15:01] <Nubae> seems that applying the patch isn't that easy...
[15:01] <Nubae> file:///usr/share/packaging-guide/html/C/index.html -- cannot find this locally
[15:02] <RichEd> Nubae: well i'd suggest asking ogra ... or else popping over to #ltsp and asking there ... or maybe sbalneav will chip in with a comment from here ?
[15:04] <Nubae> yeah I'm in ltsp, but seems a bit dead right now
[15:04] <Nubae> :-)
[15:04]  * RichEd needs to head off for a while ... sorry Nubae and Flosoft ... I'm not very technical ... just trying to direct you ...
[15:04] <RichEd> failing help here ... send a mail to edubuntu-devel mailing list
[15:06] <Nubae> not urgent... just read there was a fix on the devel list so thought I'd find out more...
[15:07] <Flosoft> RichEd:  thanks anyway :) I think I have all I need for now :)
[15:25] <bddebian> Heya
[15:38] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:38] <stgraber> hi sbalneav
[15:41] <sbalneav> stgraber: Hey!  Gimme two secs, I'll post a url for the pictures!
[15:43] <stgraber> cool :)
[15:43]  * stgraber has installed 4 Edubuntu desktops this afternoon + 4 to come in the next weeks (and we have 10-20 more orders waiting :))
[15:44] <sbalneav> It's been insane here the last month.  I've done next to no ltsp work, but I got all my work done before Xmas, so I can start getting back into the swing of it now.
[15:52] <stgraber> that's good news
[15:53] <stgraber> So you have finished upgrading everything to Gutsy ?
[15:53] <sbalneav> yup
[15:53] <sbalneav> When hardy comes out, I'll start tracking LTS around here.
[16:02] <sbalneav> stgraber: http://www.legalaid.mb.ca/photos.tar.bz
[16:02] <sbalneav> styx:/var/www# ls -la photos.tar.bz
[16:02] <sbalneav> -rw-r--r-- 1 sbalneav sbalneav 816306605 2007-12-13 09:03 photos.tar.bz
[16:02] <sbalneav> 816 megs :)
[16:03] <stgraber> sbalneav: downloading at 15kB/s, is that normal ?
[16:04] <sbalneav> yeah, our upstream sucks
[16:04] <stgraber> sbalneav: anyone else wants them or am I the only one ?
[16:05] <sbalneav> Only one so far.
[16:06] <stgraber> ok, I'm downloading through a server with 100Mb/s connection, so if someone wants them I just have to cp to my www directory
[17:42]  * lns wants to see pictures
[17:44] <lns> stgraber, if you can post the pics on your www server after you get them, that would be really cool, i'd love to see them..even though I'm  not sure what they are (but are assuming they're from the get together you all had)
[18:08] <juliux> hi all
[18:10] <UbuntuUser2> hello there
[18:10] <UbuntuUser2> Someone that can help me?
[18:11] <stgraber> lns: yes, it's the pics scott took at UDS
[18:11] <UbuntuUser2> someone that can tell me where can I find Intel drivers for UBUNTU ?
[18:12] <stgraber> UbuntuUser2: why would you need a driver on ubuntu ?
[18:13] <UbuntuUser2> I am installing ubuntu onto a new computer
[18:13] <UbuntuUser2> and the motherboard is an Intel D815EEA
[18:13] <UbuntuUser2> Do you know where can I find that driver?
[18:13] <stgraber> all "drivers" should be included by default
[18:13] <UbuntuUser2> it wasnt a linux machine
[18:13] <stgraber> you don't have to download and install drivers as you would do on Windows
[18:13] <UbuntuUser2> it was a windows
[18:55] <lns> stgraber, Linux has "drivers" (modules) that you can download for specific hardware, if the kernel doesn't have built-in support for it (or has inferior support)
[18:55] <lns> ATI, NVIDIA are known for their 'binary blob' drivers that, a lot of times, need to be downloaded and installed manually to get full hardware functionality
[18:57] <stgraber> lns: yes, right but for someone coming from Windows I think it's fair to tell him that Linux doesn't have "drivers" instead of starting to talk about modules, kernel, binary blob, ... :)
[18:58] <lns> stgraber, IMHO it's better to give them correct information ;)
[18:59] <lns> If they understand how drivers work in windows, they should be able to understand how they work in linux
[18:59] <lns> and if not, at least they don't go tell someone else "Linux doesn't have drivers"
[18:59] <johnny> most people don't..
[18:59] <johnny> they just know they are necessary :)
[18:59] <lns> right
[18:59] <lns> as they are necessary in linux ;)
[19:00] <johnny> most people don't want to know the details, they just want it to work :)
[19:00] <lns> right...but giving them false information isn't the best approach, either
[19:01] <lns> how about telling them "Linux should have intel drivers built-in" ...?
[19:01] <johnny> or .. linux has support for intel hardware built in
[19:01] <lns> sure
[19:02] <lns> i guess you told him that.. =p
[19:02] <lns> of course, *all* drivers isn't really good to say
[19:02] <lns> i know for a fact linux doesn't have support for my servers' video chipset
[19:03] <lns> (at least ubuntu doesn't)
[19:03] <stgraber> every needed driver should be included in Ubuntu, be it by default or optionaly (in the restricted-manager), if they aren't, it's a bug
[19:03] <lns> how can you give a blanket statement like that?
[19:04] <lns> what if I needed drivers for hardware I built myself?
[19:04] <stgraber> file a bug for inclusion in Ubuntu, it's the right way to do it
[19:05] <lns> ok i understand your approach there
[19:05] <stgraber> you don't want modules everywhere in /lib/modules/ that will no longer work after a security update, everything should be packages (and maintained packages) if you want a stable system
[19:06] <stgraber> idealy you shouldn't have any compiled by hand kernel/module or software on your system
[19:06] <stgraber> of course, that's in a perfect world :)
[19:07] <lns> it's always good to reach for the stars... ;)
[19:11] <scrapbunny> does anyone have the links Rich posted during the end of yesterday's meeting?
[19:14] <stgraber> scrapbunny: I have the log, what links are you interested in ?
[19:15] <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Community/VolunteerUptakeProcess and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Launchpad/Groups/Policy
[19:15] <scrapbunny> the volunteer link
[19:16] <scrapbunny> thats the one thanks
[19:17] <scrapbunny> oh and what is the main testing link you gave? i thought i bookmarked it but it was the edubuntu daily one
[19:17] <stgraber> https://iso.qa.stgraber.org or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
[19:18] <stgraber> davmor2 is also working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Tracker
[19:19] <scrapbunny> great thank you. i am testing the edubuntu server install now
[19:21] <scrapbunny> i should report bugs under the ubuntu alternate group right?
[19:22] <stgraber> as we are not testing at the moment, you should report them directly on Launchpad
[19:22] <stgraber> when we are testing (it'll be the case from Tuesday next week), you'll have to report them on LP (or find an existing bug ID), + report the failure on the QA Tracker
[19:26] <scrapbunny> so is it best to do a new install each tuesday or is there and update file?
[19:27] <stgraber> during the devel cycle, Alphas are release usually one every 3 weeks
[19:27] <stgraber> before we release those alphas, they need testing
[19:28] <stgraber> that's when we need the most people to test them (following the testcases we have on the wiki) and reporting any major issue during install and "standard" use
[19:29] <stgraber> the bugs you can see on the QA tracker (iso.qa.stgraber.org) all happened when following the testcases and are likely to break the system (in this case, the image has to be rebuilt and tested again)
[19:29] <scrapbunny> so should i wait and burn the daily on tuesday or try the one i burned last night?
[19:29] <stgraber> others bugs can still be reported on LP as you usually do
[19:30] <stgraber> the best would be to join #ubuntu-testing and wait till we announce the first Alpha2 candidates
[19:31] <stgraber> you can still test some dailies during the weekend and report the bugs you find on Lauchpad, so maybe those will get fixed in for the Alpha
[19:32] <scrapbunny> ok i'll try the daily and see how it goes. hopefully i'll find anything weird for the alpha :)