[00:35] <WildnQIk> whats the command to get cc installed?
[00:36] <xtknight> WildnQIk,  as in c compiler?  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[00:37] <xtknight> i should say, C++ compiler
[02:01] <hydrogen> and c as well
[05:50] <IdleOne> !hardware
[05:50] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[06:00] <DrUnKnMuNkY> is there any way to install hardy alongside gutsy other than dual booting? i'd like to give it a try but still need a functional computer in case it doesn't work at all
[06:06] <DarkMageZ> DrUnKnMuNkY, vmware or other similar software?
[06:11] <DrUnKnMuNkY> DarkMageZ: that's what i was thinking would be the only way to install it. i think i'll just wait a couple more releases before I try it out. stability-wise, is it what you'd normally expect from an alpha 1 release?
[06:13] <DarkMageZ> DrUnKnMuNkY, to be honest. i've been using alpha 1 as my primary & production desktop system. the only problems that it has that gutsy doesn't or doesn't suffer anywhere near as bad with is setting the wallpaper and configuring the network interfaces.
[06:19] <DrUnKnMuNkY> DarkMageZ: I've found the networking stuff, especially wireless, to be pretty unreliable already. how much worse is it?
[06:20] <DarkMageZ> DrUnKnMuNkY, can't configure static ip addreses on ethernet cards :P
[06:20] <DarkMageZ> that's how bad =D
[06:20] <DarkMageZ> unless you do it using the command line
[06:34] <choudesh> anyone around?
[06:37] <Tm_T> nope
[07:38] <DanaG> Hmm, what should I do to fix the keyboard-laggy cfs scheduler?
[07:40] <DanaG> Actually, it may be compiz+nvidia doing it.
[07:42] <DanaG> Nope, still slow even with Metacity.
[07:56] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Why do you think it's a problem with the scheduler?
[07:57] <DanaG> Well, I only have the lagginess when booted into 2.6.24, I think.
[07:57] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Have you tried the nv driver, or vesa?
[07:58] <DanaG> I'll give it a try right now.  Hold on.
[07:58] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Also, how laggy?
[07:59] <DanaG> Nice: nv silently ignores any parameters that nvidia takes but nv doesn
[07:59] <DanaG> doesn't use, rather than just freaking out and saying "unknown option".
[08:00] <DanaG> hMM, nv still seems slightly sluggish.
[08:00] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I forgot to mention:  I do run two instances of Folding@Home in the background, niced to +19.
[08:00] <Jordan_U> DanaG, More sluggish than you would expect nv to be?
[08:00] <DanaG> There's still lag on typing.
[08:01] <DanaG> I've never used plain nv, so I don't have anything to compare it to.
[08:01] <DanaG> Oddly, moving windows is NOT laggy.
[08:01] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Ahh, and without them running do you have the same problem? If so I agree it's probably cfs
[08:01] <DanaG> Yeah, without them it's fine.
[08:01] <DanaG> I noticed that because I have acpi-support stop them when on battery.
[08:02] <Jordan_U> DanaG, 2 instances because folding@home only uses one core? ( just curious )
[08:02] <DanaG> Well, it is slightly less sluggish with nv, but not entirely better.
[08:02] <DanaG> Yeah.
[08:02] <DanaG> The SMP version can't save progress, so it's only good for long-uptime systems.
[08:03] <DanaG> Actually, when using nv, there's not a big change between with and without F@H running.
[08:03] <DanaG> So it must partly be nvidia's issue.
[08:04] <Jordan_U> DanaG, strange
[08:05] <Jordan_U> Is gnome-screensaver still redirected with compiz enabled for security reasons in Hardy?
[08:06] <DanaG> Also, to get nvidia to compile on 2.6.24, I had to do the "really ugly hack" of undef'ing CONFIG_PARAVIRT in the nvidia module sources.
[08:06] <DanaG> http://fixunix.com/kernel/250765-regression-2-6-24-breaks-nvidia-amd-ati-binary-drivers-exporting-paravirt-symbols-gpl.html
[08:07] <DanaG> I can't quite tell what's the fault of cfs and what's the fault of nv.
[08:07] <DanaG> But now that I try stopping F@H again, it does improve when I stop it.
[08:28] <ysth1> does gutsy have a newer version of OO.o than hardy?
[08:28] <ysth1> hmm.
[11:03] <bazhang> !info open office
[11:03] <ubotu> Package open does not exist in hardy
[12:57] <fenrig> hi
[12:57] <fenrig> i need to check something
[12:58] <fenrig> can somebody tell me how i can find the newest madwifi package for hardy
[12:58] <fenrig> i mean
[12:58] <fenrig> what is the madwifi package version of hardy
[12:58] <BUGabundo> check with apg-cache show
[12:59] <fenrig> i'm running gutsy
[12:59] <sque> fenrig check on site: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:59] <fenrig> ths
[12:59] <fenrig> thx
[12:59] <sque> you can query ALL packets of ubuntu for any version
[13:03] <fenrig> where can i download hardy
[13:03] <fenrig> i know alpha 1 was released
[13:03] <BUGabundo> do you want the iso
[13:03] <BUGabundo> or just do an upgrade?
[13:04] <fenrig> iso
[13:04] <BUGabundo> for an upgrade just run sudo update-manager -d
[13:04] <BUGabundo> for iso
[13:04] <BUGabundo> go to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[13:04] <BUGabundo> for daily iso
[13:04] <Hobbsee> daily iso's won't be working, i expect.
[13:04] <fenrig> daily???
[13:04] <Hobbsee> fenrig: hardy final is not released.
[13:04] <BUGabundo> or releases.ubuntu.com for releases (like gutsy, alphas, beta) etc
[13:04] <fenrig> hobbsee: i know that
[13:04] <fenrig> question
[13:05] <BUGabundo> question away, fenrig
[13:05] <fenrig> i can't just install the new madwifi package from hardy in feisty can i
[13:05] <fenrig> because i see that the depencies have changed
[13:06] <Hobbsee> correct.
[13:06] <fenrig> damn
[13:06] <fenrig> so i need gutsy
[13:07] <h3sp4wn> fenrig: You can just get madwifi from the madwifi svn (trunk if you want to use 2.6.24)
[13:07] <fenrig> are there already fundemental changes in gutsy?
[13:07] <fenrig> because i've heard it just has new packages
[13:07] <h3sp4wn> This is the hardy channel
[13:07] <fenrig> new packages=updated packages
[13:07] <fenrig> sorry hardy
[13:08] <fenrig> i'm still using the gutsy alpha
[13:08] <fenrig> :S the only cd i could find
[13:08] <fenrig> laptop :D
[13:09] <fenrig> my desktop is the final release of gutsy
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> Some stuff might not work properly (But that is also the case with gutsy which is supposed to be stable so)
[13:10] <fenrig> are their serious bugs in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) Alpha 1
[13:10] <BUGabundo> ehehe h3sp4wn
[13:10] <fenrig> ?
[13:10] <BUGabundo> don't be meant to gutsy!!
[13:10] <BUGabundo> I can live with them h3sp4wn
[13:10] <fenrig> ubuntu is build of debian unstable
[13:10] <fenrig> isn't it
[13:10] <BUGabundo> but I still don't know way gnome hibernate won't work
[13:11] <BUGabundo> it seems to use pmi action and that doesn't work
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> fenrig: debian unstable is usually more stable
[13:11] <fenrig> its still work in progress
[13:11] <BUGabundo> but pm-hibernate works like a sharm
[13:11] <fenrig> is that so??
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> fenrig: (Given you don't use junk hardware)
[13:12] <fenrig> my brother bought a laptop 2 months ago
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> fenrig: And you read the bug tracker
[13:12] <fenrig> :D
[13:12] <fenrig> and vista is down already
[13:12] <fenrig> vista is supah unstable
[13:13] <h3sp4wn> I think with anything hardware quality is important
[13:14] <fenrig> :)
[13:14] <fenrig> like my desktop
[13:14] <fenrig> nvidia gpu
[13:14] <fenrig> amd 64 +3800 processor
[13:14] <fenrig> etc
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> nvidia is mostly reliable - at least recently the nvidia cards I have used have left much to be desired with regards to image quality though
[13:20] <fenrig> :D
[13:20] <fenrig> and 3d (wine, linux games,...) have great quality
[13:21] <fenrig> my fps are mostly up with 10 when comparing to windows
[13:21] <fenrig> i'm going to install Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) Alpha 1
[13:21] <fenrig> is it a good idea
[13:21] <fenrig> its just a package renewal right?
[13:21] <BUGabundo> much have changed since the alpha 1 come out
[13:22] <BUGabundo> there are a few apps that won't work properly
[13:22] <fenrig> like?
[13:22] <BUGabundo> and ppl have been having trouble with there touchpads
[13:22] <fenrig> rythmbox
[13:22] <fenrig> touchpads...
[13:22] <BUGabundo> 'cause of the new X 7.3
[13:22] <fenrig> well no probl
[13:22] <fenrig> i've a usb mouse
[13:23] <fenrig> ohh yeah
[13:23] <BUGabundo> the new X and the new xrand were the main goal why I upgraded
[13:23] <fenrig> what exactly doesnt work
[13:23] <Hobbsee> touchpads?  havent' seen it here
[13:23] <fenrig> i mean
[13:23] <BUGabundo> but still doesn't seem to make much difference
[13:23] <fenrig> does ff work rythmbox, wine,...
[13:23] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: no scroll
[13:24] <fenrig> ff=firefox
[13:24] <BUGabundo> FF no prob, wine works, ryth I don't use
[13:24] <fenrig> can i check it?
[13:24] <BUGabundo> I have all browsers working great
[13:24] <fenrig> can u check it
[13:24] <fenrig> i use epiphany
[13:24] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: oh, that's fixable.
[13:24] <BUGabundo> ff 2.0 , 3.0, opera , swiftfox, konqueror etc
[13:24] <Hobbsee> ryth works OK, if you actually like it.
[13:24] <fenrig> thx hobbsee
[13:25] <fenrig> i use it daily
[13:25] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: I know it is, just copy my gutsy xorg.conf
[13:25] <BUGabundo> as I mention on LP
[13:26] <fenrig> BUGabundo: so there s something wrong with making those configs?
[13:26] <Dannilion> Should I get my usb mouse ready, and clear my laptop table? :p
[13:26]  * Dannilion is in the process of upgrading
[13:27] <Hobbsee> all you need is "    InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad""
[13:28]  * Dannilion wonders if Hardy will fix the sound problem that wasn't there with feisty but was with gutsy
[13:29] <BUGabundo> Dannilion: do you have a toshiba?
[13:29] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: so can I just have a xorg.conf with that?
[13:29] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: there is a deafult already there
[13:29] <Hobbsee> just add it
[13:29] <BUGabundo> even after I use displayconfig-gtk?
[13:29] <Dannilion> Nope-
[13:30] <Dannilion> Acer Aspire 5630
[13:30] <h3sp4wn> Dannilion: Does just buildint the updated alsa fix it (1.0.15) ?
[13:30] <BUGabundo> I have a friend here with a toshiba and the volume is just toooooooooo low
[13:30] <Dannilion> wouldn't know- it's not such a major problem I went out looking for a fix
[13:30] <BUGabundo> even with hardy kernel
[13:31] <Dannilion> (my problem is that pressing the Fn+up or down keys is meant to change the volume, but doesn't since upgrading to Gutsy)
[13:31] <Dannilion> but I can easily work around that, so it's not too bad a problem
[14:45] <dholbach>  * Riddell bigs up Kubuntu Tutorials Day in half an hour in #kubuntu-devel https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[14:45]  * dholbach passes on the message. :-)
[15:39] <c0mp13371331337> So is Hardy going to have a 'showstopping' app this time around?  Much like Compiz Fusion of Gutsy, will there be one new program that really defines the release?
[15:43] <hydrogen> likely not
[15:43] <void^> not really, it's lts
[15:43] <hydrogen> because its a lts release
[15:43] <hydrogen> the focus is going to be on stability (which means anything but compiz)
[15:44] <c0mp13371331337> Hahaha, I see.  Hydrogen, when you say anything but, does that mean they're nixing Compiz for this release?
[15:51] <hydrogen> no
[17:12] <pwnguin> how did i miss linux-backport-drivers?
[18:32] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm still curious why a nice +19 process is bogging down the rest of the system under CFS, when it didn't have that issue under whatever the previous default was.
[18:38] <h3sp4wn> pwnguin: maybe you never needed them before ?
[18:38] <h3sp4wn> backports suck for the most part
[18:40] <DanaG> How do you change which scheduler is being used?
[18:43] <DanaG> Ugh, it's like being on a very old systems.
[18:44] <DanaG> er, system.  Can't type weell with such severe typing lag.
[18:48] <DanaG> Okay, that's odd.... uhci-hcd was causing a helluvalot of interrupts.
[18:50] <DanaG> And using about 50% of one CPU core, it seems.
[18:53] <DanaG> But now my F@H is still bogging down everything else.
[19:30] <pwnguin> h3sp4wn: driver backports?
[19:30] <pwnguin> suck?
[19:30] <h3sp4wn> pwnguin: yep if you want the driver use the newer kernel
[19:31] <pwnguin> meh
[19:31] <pwnguin> nvidia drivers
[19:31] <pwnguin> outta have a backport repo or something
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> You can make your own backport easily
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> (from the debian "nvidia-graphics-drivers" source (be in either sid or experimental)
[19:36] <pwnguin> will note
[19:36] <pwnguin> still, it'd be nice if someone went to the effort of publishing this within ubuntu
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> You have to remember to build the kernel module also (m-a a-i nvidia)
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> But its easy
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> pwnguin: I doubt they would let that information be added to ubotu
[21:44] <Dannilion> Squee! I have found bugs
[21:54] <DarkMageZ> Dannilion, bugs? really!
[21:55] <Dannilion> Yeah!
[21:55] <Dannilion> And trying to report them to launchpad resulted in big crash!
[21:59] <DanaG> Heh, I see Dannilion, I think of yogurt.
[22:00] <h3sp4wn> How can I tell whether or not I can theoretically have HPET (and whether the force enable patches are useful to me)
[22:00] <DanaG> dmesg | grep HPET  , for one.
[22:00] <Dannilion> Okay, explain the connection between my username and yoghurt, please :)
[22:01] <h3sp4wn> and is the force enable patch already in 2.6.24
[22:01] <DanaG> Take out the "illi".
[22:01] <Dannilion> ohh
[22:02] <DanaG> My laptop already has HPET enabled in the DSDT, so I wouldn't be able to test the force-enable thingy.
[22:04] <DanaG> That's one thing I'd have to consider for my next laptop: is it rare to have it implemented properly, or is it rare to have it NOT implemented properly?
[22:05] <DanaG> I know some Dell notebooks have broken DSDTs in that regard, but I'm curious how many others have it broken.
[22:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, there'll also be a /dev/hpet, it seems, but I don't know what uses it.
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what things USE hpet, that I can directly see?
[23:41] <Eja> hi
[23:41] <Eja> www.publicpet.gr/ejavaqel/vote Unbelievable?
[23:52] <DanaG> I wish I could fix the slowness that CFS seems to cause when under heavy (even though nice +19) load.