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| WildnQIk | whats the command to get cc installed? | 00:35 |
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| xtknight | WildnQIk, as in c compiler? sudo apt-get install build-essential | 00:36 |
| xtknight | i should say, C++ compiler | 00:37 |
| hydrogen | and c as well | 02:01 |
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| === ubuntu_ is now known as IdleOne | ||
| IdleOne | !hardware | 05:50 |
| ubotu | For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection | 05:50 |
| DrUnKnMuNkY | is there any way to install hardy alongside gutsy other than dual booting? i'd like to give it a try but still need a functional computer in case it doesn't work at all | 06:00 |
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| DarkMageZ | DrUnKnMuNkY, vmware or other similar software? | 06:06 |
| DrUnKnMuNkY | DarkMageZ: that's what i was thinking would be the only way to install it. i think i'll just wait a couple more releases before I try it out. stability-wise, is it what you'd normally expect from an alpha 1 release? | 06:11 |
| DarkMageZ | DrUnKnMuNkY, to be honest. i've been using alpha 1 as my primary & production desktop system. the only problems that it has that gutsy doesn't or doesn't suffer anywhere near as bad with is setting the wallpaper and configuring the network interfaces. | 06:13 |
| DrUnKnMuNkY | DarkMageZ: I've found the networking stuff, especially wireless, to be pretty unreliable already. how much worse is it? | 06:19 |
| DarkMageZ | DrUnKnMuNkY, can't configure static ip addreses on ethernet cards :P | 06:20 |
| DarkMageZ | that's how bad =D | 06:20 |
| DarkMageZ | unless you do it using the command line | 06:20 |
| choudesh | anyone around? | 06:34 |
| Tm_T | nope | 06:37 |
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| DanaG | Hmm, what should I do to fix the keyboard-laggy cfs scheduler? | 07:38 |
| DanaG | Actually, it may be compiz+nvidia doing it. | 07:40 |
| DanaG | Nope, still slow even with Metacity. | 07:42 |
| Jordan_U | DanaG, Why do you think it's a problem with the scheduler? | 07:56 |
| DanaG | Well, I only have the lagginess when booted into 2.6.24, I think. | 07:57 |
| Jordan_U | DanaG, Have you tried the nv driver, or vesa? | 07:57 |
| DanaG | I'll give it a try right now. Hold on. | 07:58 |
| Jordan_U | DanaG, Also, how laggy? | 07:58 |
| DanaG | Nice: nv silently ignores any parameters that nvidia takes but nv doesn | 07:59 |
| DanaG | doesn't use, rather than just freaking out and saying "unknown option". | 07:59 |
| DanaG | hMM, nv still seems slightly sluggish. | 08:00 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: I do run two instances of Folding@Home in the background, niced to +19. | 08:00 |
| Jordan_U | DanaG, More sluggish than you would expect nv to be? | 08:00 |
| DanaG | There's still lag on typing. | 08:00 |
| DanaG | I've never used plain nv, so I don't have anything to compare it to. | 08:01 |
| DanaG | Oddly, moving windows is NOT laggy. | 08:01 |
| Jordan_U | DanaG, Ahh, and without them running do you have the same problem? If so I agree it's probably cfs | 08:01 |
| DanaG | Yeah, without them it's fine. | 08:01 |
| DanaG | I noticed that because I have acpi-support stop them when on battery. | 08:01 |
| Jordan_U | DanaG, 2 instances because folding@home only uses one core? ( just curious ) | 08:02 |
| DanaG | Well, it is slightly less sluggish with nv, but not entirely better. | 08:02 |
| DanaG | Yeah. | 08:02 |
| DanaG | The SMP version can't save progress, so it's only good for long-uptime systems. | 08:02 |
| DanaG | Actually, when using nv, there's not a big change between with and without F@H running. | 08:03 |
| DanaG | So it must partly be nvidia's issue. | 08:03 |
| Jordan_U | DanaG, strange | 08:04 |
| Jordan_U | Is gnome-screensaver still redirected with compiz enabled for security reasons in Hardy? | 08:05 |
| DanaG | Also, to get nvidia to compile on 2.6.24, I had to do the "really ugly hack" of undef'ing CONFIG_PARAVIRT in the nvidia module sources. | 08:06 |
| DanaG | http://fixunix.com/kernel/250765-regression-2-6-24-breaks-nvidia-amd-ati-binary-drivers-exporting-paravirt-symbols-gpl.html | 08:06 |
| DanaG | I can't quite tell what's the fault of cfs and what's the fault of nv. | 08:07 |
| DanaG | But now that I try stopping F@H again, it does improve when I stop it. | 08:07 |
| ysth1 | does gutsy have a newer version of OO.o than hardy? | 08:28 |
| ysth1 | hmm. | 08:28 |
| bazhang | !info open office | 11:03 |
| ubotu | Package open does not exist in hardy | 11:03 |
| fenrig | hi | 12:57 |
| fenrig | i need to check something | 12:57 |
| fenrig | can somebody tell me how i can find the newest madwifi package for hardy | 12:58 |
| fenrig | i mean | 12:58 |
| fenrig | what is the madwifi package version of hardy | 12:58 |
| BUGabundo | check with apg-cache show | 12:58 |
| fenrig | i'm running gutsy | 12:59 |
| sque | fenrig check on site: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 12:59 |
| fenrig | ths | 12:59 |
| fenrig | thx | 12:59 |
| sque | you can query ALL packets of ubuntu for any version | 12:59 |
| fenrig | where can i download hardy | 13:03 |
| fenrig | i know alpha 1 was released | 13:03 |
| BUGabundo | do you want the iso | 13:03 |
| BUGabundo | or just do an upgrade? | 13:03 |
| fenrig | iso | 13:04 |
| BUGabundo | for an upgrade just run sudo update-manager -d | 13:04 |
| BUGabundo | for iso | 13:04 |
| BUGabundo | go to cdimage.ubuntu.com | 13:04 |
| BUGabundo | for daily iso | 13:04 |
| Hobbsee | daily iso's won't be working, i expect. | 13:04 |
| fenrig | daily??? | 13:04 |
| Hobbsee | fenrig: hardy final is not released. | 13:04 |
| BUGabundo | or releases.ubuntu.com for releases (like gutsy, alphas, beta) etc | 13:04 |
| fenrig | hobbsee: i know that | 13:04 |
| fenrig | question | 13:04 |
| BUGabundo | question away, fenrig | 13:05 |
| fenrig | i can't just install the new madwifi package from hardy in feisty can i | 13:05 |
| fenrig | because i see that the depencies have changed | 13:05 |
| Hobbsee | correct. | 13:06 |
| fenrig | damn | 13:06 |
| fenrig | so i need gutsy | 13:06 |
| h3sp4wn | fenrig: You can just get madwifi from the madwifi svn (trunk if you want to use 2.6.24) | 13:07 |
| fenrig | are there already fundemental changes in gutsy? | 13:07 |
| fenrig | because i've heard it just has new packages | 13:07 |
| h3sp4wn | This is the hardy channel | 13:07 |
| fenrig | new packages=updated packages | 13:07 |
| fenrig | sorry hardy | 13:07 |
| fenrig | i'm still using the gutsy alpha | 13:08 |
| fenrig | :S the only cd i could find | 13:08 |
| fenrig | laptop :D | 13:08 |
| fenrig | my desktop is the final release of gutsy | 13:09 |
| h3sp4wn | Some stuff might not work properly (But that is also the case with gutsy which is supposed to be stable so) | 13:09 |
| fenrig | are their serious bugs in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) Alpha 1 | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | ehehe h3sp4wn | 13:10 |
| fenrig | ? | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | don't be meant to gutsy!! | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | I can live with them h3sp4wn | 13:10 |
| fenrig | ubuntu is build of debian unstable | 13:10 |
| fenrig | isn't it | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | but I still don't know way gnome hibernate won't work | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo | it seems to use pmi action and that doesn't work | 13:11 |
| h3sp4wn | fenrig: debian unstable is usually more stable | 13:11 |
| fenrig | its still work in progress | 13:11 |
| BUGabundo | but pm-hibernate works like a sharm | 13:11 |
| fenrig | is that so?? | 13:11 |
| h3sp4wn | fenrig: (Given you don't use junk hardware) | 13:11 |
| fenrig | my brother bought a laptop 2 months ago | 13:12 |
| h3sp4wn | fenrig: And you read the bug tracker | 13:12 |
| fenrig | :D | 13:12 |
| fenrig | and vista is down already | 13:12 |
| fenrig | vista is supah unstable | 13:12 |
| h3sp4wn | I think with anything hardware quality is important | 13:13 |
| fenrig | :) | 13:14 |
| fenrig | like my desktop | 13:14 |
| fenrig | nvidia gpu | 13:14 |
| fenrig | amd 64 +3800 processor | 13:14 |
| fenrig | etc | 13:14 |
| h3sp4wn | nvidia is mostly reliable - at least recently the nvidia cards I have used have left much to be desired with regards to image quality though | 13:16 |
| fenrig | :D | 13:20 |
| fenrig | and 3d (wine, linux games,...) have great quality | 13:20 |
| fenrig | my fps are mostly up with 10 when comparing to windows | 13:21 |
| fenrig | i'm going to install Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) Alpha 1 | 13:21 |
| fenrig | is it a good idea | 13:21 |
| fenrig | its just a package renewal right? | 13:21 |
| BUGabundo | much have changed since the alpha 1 come out | 13:21 |
| BUGabundo | there are a few apps that won't work properly | 13:22 |
| fenrig | like? | 13:22 |
| BUGabundo | and ppl have been having trouble with there touchpads | 13:22 |
| fenrig | rythmbox | 13:22 |
| fenrig | touchpads... | 13:22 |
| BUGabundo | 'cause of the new X 7.3 | 13:22 |
| fenrig | well no probl | 13:22 |
| fenrig | i've a usb mouse | 13:22 |
| fenrig | ohh yeah | 13:23 |
| BUGabundo | the new X and the new xrand were the main goal why I upgraded | 13:23 |
| fenrig | what exactly doesnt work | 13:23 |
| Hobbsee | touchpads? havent' seen it here | 13:23 |
| fenrig | i mean | 13:23 |
| BUGabundo | but still doesn't seem to make much difference | 13:23 |
| fenrig | does ff work rythmbox, wine,... | 13:23 |
| BUGabundo | Hobbsee: no scroll | 13:23 |
| fenrig | ff=firefox | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo | FF no prob, wine works, ryth I don't use | 13:24 |
| fenrig | can i check it? | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo | I have all browsers working great | 13:24 |
| fenrig | can u check it | 13:24 |
| fenrig | i use epiphany | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | BUGabundo: oh, that's fixable. | 13:24 |
| BUGabundo | ff 2.0 , 3.0, opera , swiftfox, konqueror etc | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | ryth works OK, if you actually like it. | 13:24 |
| fenrig | thx hobbsee | 13:24 |
| fenrig | i use it daily | 13:25 |
| BUGabundo | Hobbsee: I know it is, just copy my gutsy xorg.conf | 13:25 |
| BUGabundo | as I mention on LP | 13:25 |
| fenrig | BUGabundo: so there s something wrong with making those configs? | 13:26 |
| Dannilion | Should I get my usb mouse ready, and clear my laptop table? :p | 13:26 |
| * Dannilion is in the process of upgrading | 13:26 | |
| Hobbsee | all you need is " InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"" | 13:27 |
| * Dannilion wonders if Hardy will fix the sound problem that wasn't there with feisty but was with gutsy | 13:28 | |
| BUGabundo | Dannilion: do you have a toshiba? | 13:29 |
| BUGabundo | Hobbsee: so can I just have a xorg.conf with that? | 13:29 |
| Hobbsee | BUGabundo: there is a deafult already there | 13:29 |
| Hobbsee | just add it | 13:29 |
| BUGabundo | even after I use displayconfig-gtk? | 13:29 |
| Dannilion | Nope- | 13:29 |
| Dannilion | Acer Aspire 5630 | 13:30 |
| h3sp4wn | Dannilion: Does just buildint the updated alsa fix it (1.0.15) ? | 13:30 |
| BUGabundo | I have a friend here with a toshiba and the volume is just toooooooooo low | 13:30 |
| Dannilion | wouldn't know- it's not such a major problem I went out looking for a fix | 13:30 |
| BUGabundo | even with hardy kernel | 13:30 |
| Dannilion | (my problem is that pressing the Fn+up or down keys is meant to change the volume, but doesn't since upgrading to Gutsy) | 13:31 |
| Dannilion | but I can easily work around that, so it's not too bad a problem | 13:31 |
| dholbach | * Riddell bigs up Kubuntu Tutorials Day in half an hour in #kubuntu-devel https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay | 14:45 |
| * dholbach passes on the message. :-) | 14:45 | |
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| c0mp13371331337 | So is Hardy going to have a 'showstopping' app this time around? Much like Compiz Fusion of Gutsy, will there be one new program that really defines the release? | 15:39 |
| hydrogen | likely not | 15:43 |
| void^ | not really, it's lts | 15:43 |
| hydrogen | because its a lts release | 15:43 |
| hydrogen | the focus is going to be on stability (which means anything but compiz) | 15:43 |
| c0mp13371331337 | Hahaha, I see. Hydrogen, when you say anything but, does that mean they're nixing Compiz for this release? | 15:44 |
| hydrogen | no | 15:51 |
| pwnguin | how did i miss linux-backport-drivers? | 17:12 |
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| DanaG | Hmm, I'm still curious why a nice +19 process is bogging down the rest of the system under CFS, when it didn't have that issue under whatever the previous default was. | 18:32 |
| h3sp4wn | pwnguin: maybe you never needed them before ? | 18:38 |
| h3sp4wn | backports suck for the most part | 18:38 |
| DanaG | How do you change which scheduler is being used? | 18:40 |
| DanaG | Ugh, it's like being on a very old systems. | 18:43 |
| DanaG | er, system. Can't type weell with such severe typing lag. | 18:44 |
| DanaG | Okay, that's odd.... uhci-hcd was causing a helluvalot of interrupts. | 18:48 |
| DanaG | And using about 50% of one CPU core, it seems. | 18:50 |
| DanaG | But now my F@H is still bogging down everything else. | 18:53 |
| pwnguin | h3sp4wn: driver backports? | 19:30 |
| pwnguin | suck? | 19:30 |
| h3sp4wn | pwnguin: yep if you want the driver use the newer kernel | 19:30 |
| pwnguin | meh | 19:31 |
| pwnguin | nvidia drivers | 19:31 |
| pwnguin | outta have a backport repo or something | 19:31 |
| h3sp4wn | You can make your own backport easily | 19:31 |
| h3sp4wn | (from the debian "nvidia-graphics-drivers" source (be in either sid or experimental) | 19:32 |
| pwnguin | will note | 19:36 |
| pwnguin | still, it'd be nice if someone went to the effort of publishing this within ubuntu | 19:36 |
| h3sp4wn | You have to remember to build the kernel module also (m-a a-i nvidia) | 19:37 |
| h3sp4wn | But its easy | 19:37 |
| h3sp4wn | pwnguin: I doubt they would let that information be added to ubotu | 19:37 |
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| Dannilion | Squee! I have found bugs | 21:44 |
| DarkMageZ | Dannilion, bugs? really! | 21:54 |
| Dannilion | Yeah! | 21:55 |
| Dannilion | And trying to report them to launchpad resulted in big crash! | 21:55 |
| DanaG | Heh, I see Dannilion, I think of yogurt. | 21:59 |
| h3sp4wn | How can I tell whether or not I can theoretically have HPET (and whether the force enable patches are useful to me) | 22:00 |
| DanaG | dmesg | grep HPET , for one. | 22:00 |
| Dannilion | Okay, explain the connection between my username and yoghurt, please :) | 22:00 |
| h3sp4wn | and is the force enable patch already in 2.6.24 | 22:01 |
| DanaG | Take out the "illi". | 22:01 |
| Dannilion | ohh | 22:01 |
| DanaG | My laptop already has HPET enabled in the DSDT, so I wouldn't be able to test the force-enable thingy. | 22:02 |
| DanaG | That's one thing I'd have to consider for my next laptop: is it rare to have it implemented properly, or is it rare to have it NOT implemented properly? | 22:04 |
| DanaG | I know some Dell notebooks have broken DSDTs in that regard, but I'm curious how many others have it broken. | 22:05 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, there'll also be a /dev/hpet, it seems, but I don't know what uses it. | 22:06 |
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| DanaG | Oh yeah, what things USE hpet, that I can directly see? | 22:30 |
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| Eja | hi | 23:41 |
| Eja | www.publicpet.gr/ejavaqel/vote Unbelievable? | 23:41 |
| DanaG | I wish I could fix the slowness that CFS seems to cause when under heavy (even though nice +19) load. | 23:52 |
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