=== crdlb_ is now known as crdlb [00:35] whats the command to get cc installed? [00:36] WildnQIk, as in c compiler? sudo apt-get install build-essential [00:37] i should say, C++ compiler [02:01] and c as well === calc_ is now known as calc === ubuntu_ is now known as IdleOne [05:50] !hardware [05:50] For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection [06:00] is there any way to install hardy alongside gutsy other than dual booting? i'd like to give it a try but still need a functional computer in case it doesn't work at all === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ [06:06] DrUnKnMuNkY, vmware or other similar software? [06:11] DarkMageZ: that's what i was thinking would be the only way to install it. i think i'll just wait a couple more releases before I try it out. stability-wise, is it what you'd normally expect from an alpha 1 release? [06:13] DrUnKnMuNkY, to be honest. i've been using alpha 1 as my primary & production desktop system. the only problems that it has that gutsy doesn't or doesn't suffer anywhere near as bad with is setting the wallpaper and configuring the network interfaces. [06:19] DarkMageZ: I've found the networking stuff, especially wireless, to be pretty unreliable already. how much worse is it? [06:20] DrUnKnMuNkY, can't configure static ip addreses on ethernet cards :P [06:20] that's how bad =D [06:20] unless you do it using the command line [06:34] anyone around? [06:37] nope === DarkMageZ_ is now known as DarkMageZ [07:38] Hmm, what should I do to fix the keyboard-laggy cfs scheduler? [07:40] Actually, it may be compiz+nvidia doing it. [07:42] Nope, still slow even with Metacity. [07:56] DanaG, Why do you think it's a problem with the scheduler? [07:57] Well, I only have the lagginess when booted into 2.6.24, I think. [07:57] DanaG, Have you tried the nv driver, or vesa? [07:58] I'll give it a try right now. Hold on. [07:58] DanaG, Also, how laggy? [07:59] Nice: nv silently ignores any parameters that nvidia takes but nv doesn [07:59] doesn't use, rather than just freaking out and saying "unknown option". [08:00] hMM, nv still seems slightly sluggish. [08:00] Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: I do run two instances of Folding@Home in the background, niced to +19. [08:00] DanaG, More sluggish than you would expect nv to be? [08:00] There's still lag on typing. [08:01] I've never used plain nv, so I don't have anything to compare it to. [08:01] Oddly, moving windows is NOT laggy. [08:01] DanaG, Ahh, and without them running do you have the same problem? If so I agree it's probably cfs [08:01] Yeah, without them it's fine. [08:01] I noticed that because I have acpi-support stop them when on battery. [08:02] DanaG, 2 instances because folding@home only uses one core? ( just curious ) [08:02] Well, it is slightly less sluggish with nv, but not entirely better. [08:02] Yeah. [08:02] The SMP version can't save progress, so it's only good for long-uptime systems. [08:03] Actually, when using nv, there's not a big change between with and without F@H running. [08:03] So it must partly be nvidia's issue. [08:04] DanaG, strange [08:05] Is gnome-screensaver still redirected with compiz enabled for security reasons in Hardy? [08:06] Also, to get nvidia to compile on 2.6.24, I had to do the "really ugly hack" of undef'ing CONFIG_PARAVIRT in the nvidia module sources. [08:06] http://fixunix.com/kernel/250765-regression-2-6-24-breaks-nvidia-amd-ati-binary-drivers-exporting-paravirt-symbols-gpl.html [08:07] I can't quite tell what's the fault of cfs and what's the fault of nv. [08:07] But now that I try stopping F@H again, it does improve when I stop it. [08:28] does gutsy have a newer version of OO.o than hardy? [08:28] hmm. [11:03] !info open office [11:03] Package open does not exist in hardy [12:57] hi [12:57] i need to check something [12:58] can somebody tell me how i can find the newest madwifi package for hardy [12:58] i mean [12:58] what is the madwifi package version of hardy [12:58] check with apg-cache show [12:59] i'm running gutsy [12:59] fenrig check on site: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ [12:59] ths [12:59] thx [12:59] you can query ALL packets of ubuntu for any version [13:03] where can i download hardy [13:03] i know alpha 1 was released [13:03] do you want the iso [13:03] or just do an upgrade? [13:04] iso [13:04] for an upgrade just run sudo update-manager -d [13:04] for iso [13:04] go to cdimage.ubuntu.com [13:04] for daily iso [13:04] daily iso's won't be working, i expect. [13:04] daily??? [13:04] fenrig: hardy final is not released. [13:04] or releases.ubuntu.com for releases (like gutsy, alphas, beta) etc [13:04] hobbsee: i know that [13:04] question [13:05] question away, fenrig [13:05] i can't just install the new madwifi package from hardy in feisty can i [13:05] because i see that the depencies have changed [13:06] correct. [13:06] damn [13:06] so i need gutsy [13:07] fenrig: You can just get madwifi from the madwifi svn (trunk if you want to use 2.6.24) [13:07] are there already fundemental changes in gutsy? [13:07] because i've heard it just has new packages [13:07] This is the hardy channel [13:07] new packages=updated packages [13:07] sorry hardy [13:08] i'm still using the gutsy alpha [13:08] :S the only cd i could find [13:08] laptop :D [13:09] my desktop is the final release of gutsy [13:09] Some stuff might not work properly (But that is also the case with gutsy which is supposed to be stable so) [13:10] are their serious bugs in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) Alpha 1 [13:10] ehehe h3sp4wn [13:10] ? [13:10] don't be meant to gutsy!! [13:10] I can live with them h3sp4wn [13:10] ubuntu is build of debian unstable [13:10] isn't it [13:10] but I still don't know way gnome hibernate won't work [13:11] it seems to use pmi action and that doesn't work [13:11] fenrig: debian unstable is usually more stable [13:11] its still work in progress [13:11] but pm-hibernate works like a sharm [13:11] is that so?? [13:11] fenrig: (Given you don't use junk hardware) [13:12] my brother bought a laptop 2 months ago [13:12] fenrig: And you read the bug tracker [13:12] :D [13:12] and vista is down already [13:12] vista is supah unstable [13:13] I think with anything hardware quality is important [13:14] :) [13:14] like my desktop [13:14] nvidia gpu [13:14] amd 64 +3800 processor [13:14] etc [13:16] nvidia is mostly reliable - at least recently the nvidia cards I have used have left much to be desired with regards to image quality though [13:20] :D [13:20] and 3d (wine, linux games,...) have great quality [13:21] my fps are mostly up with 10 when comparing to windows [13:21] i'm going to install Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) Alpha 1 [13:21] is it a good idea [13:21] its just a package renewal right? [13:21] much have changed since the alpha 1 come out [13:22] there are a few apps that won't work properly [13:22] like? [13:22] and ppl have been having trouble with there touchpads [13:22] rythmbox [13:22] touchpads... [13:22] 'cause of the new X 7.3 [13:22] well no probl [13:22] i've a usb mouse [13:23] ohh yeah [13:23] the new X and the new xrand were the main goal why I upgraded [13:23] what exactly doesnt work [13:23] touchpads? havent' seen it here [13:23] i mean [13:23] but still doesn't seem to make much difference [13:23] does ff work rythmbox, wine,... [13:23] Hobbsee: no scroll [13:24] ff=firefox [13:24] FF no prob, wine works, ryth I don't use [13:24] can i check it? [13:24] I have all browsers working great [13:24] can u check it [13:24] i use epiphany [13:24] BUGabundo: oh, that's fixable. [13:24] ff 2.0 , 3.0, opera , swiftfox, konqueror etc [13:24] ryth works OK, if you actually like it. [13:24] thx hobbsee [13:25] i use it daily [13:25] Hobbsee: I know it is, just copy my gutsy xorg.conf [13:25] as I mention on LP [13:26] BUGabundo: so there s something wrong with making those configs? [13:26] Should I get my usb mouse ready, and clear my laptop table? :p [13:26] * Dannilion is in the process of upgrading [13:27] all you need is " InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"" [13:28] * Dannilion wonders if Hardy will fix the sound problem that wasn't there with feisty but was with gutsy [13:29] Dannilion: do you have a toshiba? [13:29] Hobbsee: so can I just have a xorg.conf with that? [13:29] BUGabundo: there is a deafult already there [13:29] just add it [13:29] even after I use displayconfig-gtk? [13:29] Nope- [13:30] Acer Aspire 5630 [13:30] Dannilion: Does just buildint the updated alsa fix it (1.0.15) ? [13:30] I have a friend here with a toshiba and the volume is just toooooooooo low [13:30] wouldn't know- it's not such a major problem I went out looking for a fix [13:30] even with hardy kernel [13:31] (my problem is that pressing the Fn+up or down keys is meant to change the volume, but doesn't since upgrading to Gutsy) [13:31] but I can easily work around that, so it's not too bad a problem [14:45] * Riddell bigs up Kubuntu Tutorials Day in half an hour in #kubuntu-devel https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [14:45] * dholbach passes on the message. :-) === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee === kling0n_ is now known as kling0n [15:39] So is Hardy going to have a 'showstopping' app this time around? Much like Compiz Fusion of Gutsy, will there be one new program that really defines the release? [15:43] likely not [15:43] not really, it's lts [15:43] because its a lts release [15:43] the focus is going to be on stability (which means anything but compiz) [15:44] Hahaha, I see. Hydrogen, when you say anything but, does that mean they're nixing Compiz for this release? [15:51] no [17:12] how did i miss linux-backport-drivers? === TuX-Claudiu is now known as TuX_Claudiu [18:32] Hmm, I'm still curious why a nice +19 process is bogging down the rest of the system under CFS, when it didn't have that issue under whatever the previous default was. [18:38] pwnguin: maybe you never needed them before ? [18:38] backports suck for the most part [18:40] How do you change which scheduler is being used? [18:43] Ugh, it's like being on a very old systems. [18:44] er, system. Can't type weell with such severe typing lag. [18:48] Okay, that's odd.... uhci-hcd was causing a helluvalot of interrupts. [18:50] And using about 50% of one CPU core, it seems. [18:53] But now my F@H is still bogging down everything else. [19:30] h3sp4wn: driver backports? [19:30] suck? [19:30] pwnguin: yep if you want the driver use the newer kernel [19:31] meh [19:31] nvidia drivers [19:31] outta have a backport repo or something [19:31] You can make your own backport easily [19:32] (from the debian "nvidia-graphics-drivers" source (be in either sid or experimental) [19:36] will note [19:36] still, it'd be nice if someone went to the effort of publishing this within ubuntu [19:37] You have to remember to build the kernel module also (m-a a-i nvidia) [19:37] But its easy [19:37] pwnguin: I doubt they would let that information be added to ubotu === Dana1 is now known as DanaG === never|mobi is now known as neversfelde|mobi [21:44] Squee! I have found bugs [21:54] Dannilion, bugs? really! [21:55] Yeah! [21:55] And trying to report them to launchpad resulted in big crash! [21:59] Heh, I see Dannilion, I think of yogurt. [22:00] How can I tell whether or not I can theoretically have HPET (and whether the force enable patches are useful to me) [22:00] dmesg | grep HPET , for one. [22:00] Okay, explain the connection between my username and yoghurt, please :) [22:01] and is the force enable patch already in 2.6.24 [22:01] Take out the "illi". [22:01] ohh [22:02] My laptop already has HPET enabled in the DSDT, so I wouldn't be able to test the force-enable thingy. [22:04] That's one thing I'd have to consider for my next laptop: is it rare to have it implemented properly, or is it rare to have it NOT implemented properly? [22:05] I know some Dell notebooks have broken DSDTs in that regard, but I'm curious how many others have it broken. [22:06] Oh yeah, there'll also be a /dev/hpet, it seems, but I don't know what uses it. === TechnoViking is now known as MikeB [22:30] Oh yeah, what things USE hpet, that I can directly see? === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia === cheguevara_ is now known as CheGuevara [23:41] hi [23:41] www.publicpet.gr/ejavaqel/vote Unbelievable? [23:52] I wish I could fix the slowness that CFS seems to cause when under heavy (even though nice +19) load.