[00:15] <Goosemoose> lol, see you guys tomorrow, im heading home
[07:34] <ganu> cjwatson, i am trying to make an cd of live + install of using ubiquity  in debian distro
[07:35] <ganu> cjwatson, im getting an error while making partition
[07:45] <ganu> cjwatson: iam posting my  partman and syslog files in "http://pastebin.com/m64fe5f1d ", "http://pastebin.com/m31e19ac"
[09:18] <cjwatson> jbailey: upstream already does rdate; that's in hardy (but not in gutsy). Given that, is there any reason to go to more effort to use ntpdate?
[09:19] <cjwatson> soren: no, normally I just edit stuff on the fly but you can't do that with netcfg. You'll probably have to shove it in debian-installer/build/localudebs/ and do a local build
[09:36] <soren> cjwatson: I see. I'll try that.
[09:37] <soren> cjwatson: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/debian-installer/ubuntu is the one I want?
[09:37] <soren> ..because I can't seem to check it out for some reason.
[10:04] <kathir> ganu known as kathir
[10:06] <kathir> Iam posting my syslog and partman in "http://pastebin.com/m64fe5f1d" , "http://pastebin.com/m31e19ac"
[10:21] <cjwatson> soren: that should be right ...
[10:21] <cjwatson> kathir: please file a bug, I'm on holiday today
[10:23] <kathir> cjwatson: ok thanks
[10:26] <xivulon> cjwatson, have a few ones for you...
[10:26] <xivulon> umountfs 151579, update-grub 175772, eject-cd 176014, boot-bindmount 173659, autopartition-loop 176019, external-hooks 144798 (new hooks are in lupin/casper)
[10:27] <xivulon> all should have patches included, have fun ;P
[11:53] <soren> cjwatson: I've pushed my netcfg changes. Do you want to look them over or should I just go ahead and upload?
[12:13] <xivulon> What's the place to submit kernel bugs? I'd guess linux-source-2.6.22. What if I want to request a feature (suspend with fuse) for the hardy kernel (2.6.24)?
[12:14] <cjwatson> xivulon: the package name for hardy and beyond is just 'linux'
[12:14] <xivulon> ah
[12:14] <cjwatson> soren: yeah, that looks correct and is how I'd have done it. One nit: please use "[ Soren Hansen ]" rather than "[Soren Hansen]" as that's how debchange does it.
[12:15] <cjwatson> soren: I actually didn't intend my changes to be changelogged, or I'd have added them myself; I think they're too trivial to be worth noting
[12:15] <cjwatson> but I don't really care much either way
[12:17] <soren> Oh, I didn't know dch did that sort of thing, too.
[12:18] <cjwatson> yeah, that's where the meme came from
[12:18] <soren> I'll just remove your stuff from the changelog and upload.
[12:18] <cjwatson> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/devscripts/
[12:19] <soren> Oh, I see.
[12:23] <soren> cjwatson: Why doesn't netcfg have a standards-version set?
[12:25] <cjwatson> udebs don't conform to policy
[12:26] <cjwatson> at least not enough of it to make any standards-version not a lie
[12:26] <xivulon> cjwatson add 176112 to the list above
[12:27] <cjwatson> xivulon: IRC is a dreadful, dreadful way of tracking bugs. Please don't.
[12:27] <cjwatson> xivulon: tag them or something
[12:27] <xivulon> hmm didn't know about tagging
[12:28] <soren> cjwatson: Interesting. debian-installer itself has a standards-version, though.
[12:29] <xivulon> is "wubi" good as a tag?
[12:39] <xivulon> Is it possible to search bugs only by tag?
[12:41] <soren> xivulon: sure. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[12:41] <soren> xivulon: On the left, you can see a list of tags.
[12:41] <soren> xivulon: The list might be collapsed.
[12:42] <xivulon> great
[12:42] <xivulon> so cjwatson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wubi
[12:57] <cjwatson> soren: debian-installer builds a .deb
[12:57] <cjwatson> xivulon: thanks. not today though (on holiday, despite appearances)
[12:57] <xivulon> n.p.
[12:58] <xivulon> once those are in, I will be able to clean up lupin-support and the overrides in wubi
[12:58] <xivulon> so that I can start testing properly
[12:58] <xivulon> enjoy your holiday
[13:11] <soren> cjwatson: True, but it also builds that debian-installer-images thing. I've never seen anything quite like that. :)
[14:49] <xivulon> dumb question: why are seeds needed if we have metapackages?
[15:06] <cjwatson> the metapackages are generated from seeds
[15:58] <xivulon> I see
[15:58] <xivulon> thx
[16:00] <xivulon> I would have expected the opposite, since metapackages are more flexible while seeds are mostly a lit of packages
[16:18] <cjwatson> the only relevant feature that seeds don't (yet) have is 'foo | bar'-type dependencies; that could be added if necessary but in practice it hasn't been
[16:19] <cjwatson> seeds are in fact much more flexible in that we can generate other things from them, such as tasks, and use them in our archive and CD image process
[16:19] <cjwatson> es
[16:26] <xivulon> I was under the impression that seeds where merely a list of packages
[16:31] <xivulon> Another thing that confuses me is if metapackages are created from seeds, why do seeds contain the generated metapackage? e.g. ubuntu-standard seed also contain ubuntu-standard metapackage http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.hardy/standard
[17:08] <cjwatson> seeds are a bit more than that; there are details in the germinate manual page
[17:09] <cjwatson> the metapackage is in the corresponding seed because otherwise the metapackage wouldn't have the right Task header set and we wouldn't be able to use tasks as conveniently during installation
[17:43] <jbailey> cjwatson: Ah, fabulous.  We've been working with gutsy sources so far because we haven't updated the internal testing builds to Hardy yet.  That happens in January.
[17:44] <jbailey> cjwatson: I'll hack on that and come back if I need to do more.
[18:10] <xivulon> thanks for clarifying that colin
[20:31] <CarlFK> bdmurray: can you have  a look at my patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/38442/comments/44
[20:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 38442 in ubiquity "Ubiquity dialogues too large for 800x600 display" [High,Confirmed]
[20:31] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 38442 in ubiquity "Ubiquity dialogues too large for 800x600 display" [High,Confirmed]
[20:32] <bdmurray> CarlFK: did you mean me or evand?
[20:32] <CarlFK> oh right..
[20:33] <CarlFK> too many channels - got confused
[20:35] <evand> looking
[20:36]  * evand glares at the two ubotus
[20:39] <evand> CarlFK: while this would fix the problem, I don't think it's a proper solution.  Fixing this bug will involve making it so that a windowed or maximized Ubiquity can fit comfortably.  Making the window full screen means that it's not immediately obvious how to launch another application.
[20:39] <evand> This is actually targeted already for 8.04 under the ubiquity-usability specification
[20:39] <evand> s/already//
[20:40] <evand> The fix involves trimming some of the fat of the interface and making it squeeze into the proper size.
[20:40] <CarlFK> i 1/2 expected this
[20:40] <evand> You're welcome to write said fix, but as the specification is assigned to me, I'll be handling it if you don't.
[20:41] <CarlFK> um... what?
[20:41] <CarlFK> oh, write the proper fix
[20:41] <evand> indeed
[20:42] <evand> Thank you for the patch though.  While this one wont work, I appreciate any attempt at fixing ubiquity bugs.
[20:43] <CarlFK> it gives you an option if 8.04 gets close and are tired of hearing about "not fit" and would rather hear "can run other apps" :)
[20:46] <evand> indeed, I'll definitely keep a note of it
[20:53] <Goosemoose> so, i added: d-i preseed/late_command string apt-get install ssh
[20:53] <Goosemoose> to my preseed file
[20:54] <Goosemoose> I get an error when install gets there: Failed to run preseeded command
[20:54] <Goosemoose> Execution of presseded command 'apt-get install ssh' failed with exit code 127
[20:54] <Goosemoose> anyone actually have a preseed file they use on 7.10 for an example that asks for no prompts
[20:55] <stgraber> Goosemoose: http://www.stgraber.org/download/phoenix/edubuntu.seed
[21:02] <evand> Goosemoose: why are you trying to explicitly install the ssh metapackage, rather than using pkgsel/include like in stgraber's example?
[21:04] <Goosemoose> haven't seen another way
[21:05] <Goosemoose> hmm didn't know about this command: d-i	pkgsel/include
[21:05] <CarlFK> Goosemoose: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet  but I can't find the section to tell it to use the first drive
[21:05] <Goosemoose> I have the server running apt-cache
[21:06] <Goosemoose> will it get edubuntu packages fine too?
[21:06] <CarlFK> me too.  apt-cache is not the same as a proxy (like I thought)
[21:06] <evand> ah, fair enough
[21:06] <Goosemoose> i have a proxy setup separately
[21:06] <Goosemoose> hmm, this is your file stgraber?
[21:07] <Goosemoose> oh nm, was looking for the edubuntu-desktop command, i see it now
[21:07] <CarlFK> Goosemoose: my current preseed: http://dpaste.com/27963/
[21:07] <Goosemoose> sweet, going to try this instead of mine right now, i've had nothing but problems with mine
[21:07] <Goosemoose> ok, looking
[21:08] <Goosemoose> for 7.10 CarlFK?
[21:08] <CarlFK> yes
[21:08] <Goosemoose> you dont have yours setup to install gusty?
[21:09] <Goosemoose> actually, either does stgraber
[21:09] <Goosemoose> dont you need: d-i mirror/udeb/suite string gutsy
[21:09] <CarlFK> carl@personnelware.com I am getting ready to leave for the day
[21:09] <Goosemoose> ok, got it, thanks
[21:10] <Goosemoose> these two examples should help. why do neither of you have the d-i mirror/udeb/suite string gutsy
[21:10] <Goosemoose>  line?
[21:10] <Goosemoose> im actually running edubuntu too
[22:10] <Goosemoose>  why don't you use this:
[22:11] <Goosemoose>  # Suite to use for loading installer components (optional).
[22:11] <Goosemoose> d-i mirror/udeb/suite string gutsy
[22:11] <Goosemoose> i must not be understanding the purpose of the line
[22:13] <evand> aiui, that's not necessary
[22:14] <Goosemoose> ok
[22:14] <Goosemoose> stgraber has this in his:
[22:14] <Goosemoose> d-i     apt-setup/use_mirror false
[22:14] <Goosemoose> since i have apt-cache setup i dont want that right?
[22:15] <evand> I believe so
[22:21] <Goosemoose> ok