| horaceli | lool, ping | 01:50 |
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| agoliveira | horaceli: Now it's about 3AM for him, I don't think he's around | 01:55 |
| horaceli | thanks, agoliveira, :-). | 01:59 |
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| lool | horaceli: pong | 07:30 |
| horaceli | hi, lool | 07:31 |
| horaceli | good to see you | 07:31 |
| lool | Same here; how are you doing? | 07:31 |
| horaceli | I am good. thanks | 07:31 |
| lool | Probably quite late at your place now | 07:31 |
| horaceli | how are you? | 07:31 |
| lool | Fine | 07:31 |
| horaceli | not really, it is 3:13pm my time. | 07:31 |
| lool | Oh ok | 07:32 |
| horaceli | bfiller_ reported a bug on hildon-desktop-0.0.43 that home layout has some problem in 800x480 resolution | 07:32 |
| horaceli | and I fixed in hildon-desktop, mainly for reading current screen resolution to determine the home layout size, it might need to be integrated to hildon-desktop | 07:33 |
| horaceli | I have generated the patch, and will share it out soon. | 07:33 |
| lool | Ok; bfiller_ has another problem which I couldn't reproduce until now | 07:33 |
| horaceli | #2? | 07:33 |
| horaceli | the 2nd description under the same bug? | 07:34 |
| lool | I'm checking | 07:35 |
| lool | It's in #172426 | 07:35 |
| lool | Ah right, it's the same bug id you worked on | 07:35 |
| lool | It's a bad idea to have multiple bugs described in the same report | 07:35 |
| lool | horaceli: Anyway, how can I help you? | 07:36 |
| horaceli | lool, here is the patch: http://moblin.org/repos/users/horace.li/hildon-desktop-fix-bug-172426.patch | 07:36 |
| horaceli | and it is generated based on latest hildon-desktop-ubuntu | 07:36 |
| horaceli | rev413 | 07:36 |
| horaceli | I guess | 07:36 |
| lool | Okay | 07:37 |
| horaceli | thanks. :-) | 07:37 |
| horaceli | any problem, just feel free to let me know | 07:37 |
| lool | horaceli: Did you send it upstream? | 07:37 |
| horaceli | not yet. | 07:38 |
| StevenK | lool: I'm going to upload a new m-i-c to the PPA tonight, after I test things | 07:38 |
| horaceli | should I? | 07:38 |
| lool | horaceli: I like knowing the opinion of upstream when we merge things; they know the software well | 07:38 |
| horaceli | that is a good point. | 07:38 |
| lool | StevenK: Any particular issue I should be aware of? | 07:39 |
| StevenK | lool: You added the PPA without adding -updates and -security. | 07:39 |
| lool | StevenK: They didn't merge all changes at moblin, so it needs to be modified before upload if you take a new snapshot | 07:39 |
| StevenK | I'm not going to take a new snapshot. | 07:40 |
| lool | StevenK: Ok; I do know about this issue, didn't come to it yet | 07:40 |
| StevenK | lool: Ah. Looks like I'll beat you to it. | 07:40 |
| * StevenK is testing image builds. | 07:41 | |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:41 |
| theseinfeld | doko: is there a way to use the moblin lpia binary packages at the same time with using the i386? | 07:42 |
| theseinfeld | doko: i cannot get the moblin-media package installed because it depends on moko which is only lpia | 07:43 |
| doko | theseinfeld: well, you could do so with dpkg --force-architecture, but why is moko only built on lpia? | 07:45 |
| lool | horaceli: Thanks for the fix BTW | 07:46 |
| theseinfeld | doko: if I use the apt-get upgrade it sais: | 07:47 |
| theseinfeld | doko: moblin-media kept back...blah blah moko which is a virtual package | 07:47 |
| theseinfeld | doko: I even went further and did the apt.conf.d with APT::Architecture "lpia" :)) to see if I can get it | 07:49 |
| theseinfeld | doko: but, is there a way that we can use both i386 and lpia moblin packages? or for every moblin.org lpia.deb we need to make a i386 package? | 07:50 |
| doko | no | 07:50 |
| doko | just build for i386 | 07:50 |
| theseinfeld | doko, so you mean that everything that has lpia by moblin has to be redone :) great redundancy... | 07:51 |
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| ToddBrandt | HappyCamp_laptop: you got FIOS, sweet | 16:57 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | Doesn't everone? ;) | 16:58 |
| ToddBrandt | I see comcast every once in a while | 16:58 |
| ToddBrandt | poor suckers | 16:58 |
| davidm | About to start the meeing | 16:59 |
| davidm | #startmeeting | 16:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:59. The chair is davidm. | 16:59 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:59 |
| * lool waves | 16:59 | |
| davidm | Good day everyone is everyone here? | 16:59 |
| davidm | Missing Don I see | 17:00 |
| ToddBrandt | here | 17:01 |
| davidm | Can anyone from Intel ping Don Johnson? | 17:01 |
| davidm | Anyway first topic: | 17:02 |
| davidm | [topic] lool to take a look at bug # 172426 and see if he can reproduce it. | 17:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool to take a look at bug # 172426 and see if he can reproduce it. | 17:02 |
| davidm | lool, status? | 17:03 |
| lool | Didn't look | 17:03 |
| lool | But need to merge patch by Horace which might fix it | 17:04 |
| lool | So can you please carry on "lool to merge patch by Horace as an attempt to fix 172426" | 17:04 |
| davidm | Will do | 17:04 |
| robr2 | good morning all | 17:04 |
| davidm | [action] carry over lool to take a look at bug # 172426 and see if he can reproduce it. until Dec 20th. | 17:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: carry over lool to take a look at bug # 172426 and see if he can reproduce it. until Dec 20th. | 17:05 |
| davidm | I spoke to Don, he will not be joining today | 17:05 |
| davidm | next topic | 17:05 |
| davidm | [topic] bspencer & Don_Johnson to clarify the process and deliverables | 17:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bspencer & Don_Johnson to clarify the process and deliverables | 17:05 |
| davidm | I know that Don has a process meeting set up for tomorrow so I think this is being done. | 17:06 |
| davidm | bspenser is not around so I don't know if he has anymore to say on the topic. | 17:06 |
| davidm | So I'm going to head to the next topic unless anyone has anything else on this? | 17:07 |
| davidm | [topic] bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:07 |
| davidm | horaceli, any input on this? | 17:07 |
| davidm | looks like horaceli is not around either. | 17:08 |
| davidm | I'll carry it over again. | 17:09 |
| davidm | [action] # | 17:09 |
| davidm | continue to hold open: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:09 |
| davidm | # | 17:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: # | 17:09 |
| davidm | continue to hold open: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:09 |
| davidm | [action] continue to hold open: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: continue to hold open: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:09 |
| mawhalen | Horace is in PRC, he is most likely asleep | 17:09 |
| davidm | [topic] smagoun Since my group needs it, I'll take an action item to test overriding exa for a gutsy psb backport. In progress. | 17:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: smagoun Since my group needs it, I'll take an action item to test overriding exa for a gutsy psb backport. In progress. | 17:10 |
| smagoun | We have a new drop of graphics drivers from Intel for our customer, I've moved on to working with those. I'll post things to the gutsy PPA if/when appropriate. We can close this issue. | 17:10 |
| davidm | OK, thanks smagoun it's closed then | 17:10 |
| davidm | mawhalen, thanks for the input on horaceli | 17:10 |
| davidm | [topic] amitk to update hardy ppa with drivers | 17:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: amitk to update hardy ppa with drivers | 17:11 |
| davidm | amitk, are you around? | 17:11 |
| davidm | I know he is working on that, I'll have to ping him off line, he is in India until the new year. | 17:12 |
| davidm | [action] davidm to ping amitk for status on # | 17:12 |
| davidm | update hardy ppa with drivers | 17:12 |
| davidm | # | 17:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to ping amitk for status on # | 17:12 |
| davidm | [topic] davidm to query build team on best way to monitor the i386 builds and the LPIA builds to stay in sync | 17:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: davidm to query build team on best way to monitor the i386 builds and the LPIA builds to stay in sync | 17:13 |
| davidm | I'm still working this issue, Tollef and I will work this out. | 17:13 |
| davidm | I'm going to carry it over | 17:13 |
| davidm | [action] carry over, davidm to query build team on best way to monitor the i386 builds and the LPIA builds to stay in sync. | 17:14 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: carry over, davidm to query build team on best way to monitor the i386 builds and the LPIA builds to stay in sync. | 17:14 |
| davidm | [topic] Michael Frey to post " Discuss reasons behind the decision to use acpid, custom moblin battery applet instead of using gnome-power-manager and its status bar applet" question to the list. | 17:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Michael Frey to post " Discuss reasons behind the decision to use acpid, custom moblin battery applet instead of using gnome-power-manager and its status bar applet" question to the list. | 17:14 |
| ChickenCutlass | you can close this -- I had a discussion with ToddBrandt | 17:14 |
| davidm | OK, good enough | 17:15 |
| davidm | [topic] agoliveira to report next week any findings on boot speed. | 17:15 |
| amitk | davidm: sorry, I got distracted | 17:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agoliveira to report next week any findings on boot speed. | 17:15 |
| davidm | amitk, I'll reopen the topic next then | 17:15 |
| smagoun_ | davidm: sorry - just lost network connection here. Did you discuss monitoring LPIA builds? | 17:15 |
| agoliveira | Yes, I sent an email about the first findings and I had some feedback. Nothing conclusive thought but 2 items: | 17:15 |
| davidm | smagoun_, Yes, I'm working that will Tollef today and tomorrow, it's on my list. | 17:16 |
| agoliveira | 1) The Q1 lost a good deal of time detecting and loading the modules: a brick kernel might help here but would require to create one for each device. | 17:16 |
| agoliveira | 2) Matt noticed that the booting process is very CPU bound. We could try to reduce this usiing an all ext3 booting scheme. | 17:17 |
| agoliveira | Apart from that I tried to manually simplify the booting scripts but and remove usplash didn't get more than 2 or 3 seconds. | 17:18 |
| smagoun_ | agoliveira: do you have any concrete recommendations? | 17:18 |
| agoliveira | smagoun_: I don't see any real easy way to really reduce boot time. One thing would be do the all ext3 boot and see what happens. | 17:19 |
| patm | all ext3 will conflict with the disk footprint requirements, but should be tested | 17:19 |
| agoliveira | patm: That's the problem. | 17:19 |
| davidm | Seems we need that tested now for two issues, boot speed and flash corruption | 17:20 |
| patm | yes | 17:20 |
| ChickenCutlass | smagoun_: didn't you find a problem with the console keyboard mapping taking many seconds | 17:20 |
| agoliveira | davidm: I don't see flash corruption as an issue. They are much more robust those days. | 17:20 |
| smagoun_ | agoliveira: did you actually try a kernel with all modules compiled in, disabling udev, etc? | 17:20 |
| agoliveira | ChickenCutlass: I didn't see that. Did you noticed anything on the graph I sent? | 17:21 |
| agoliveira | smagoun_: No, didn't have time to try that. | 17:21 |
| smagoun_ | ChickenCutlass: yes. There's a bug somewhere in the acton project in LP. Setting the console font is done twice, it takes 4sec each time | 17:21 |
| ChickenCutlass | smagoun_: agoliveira that is 8 seconds -- because it is done twice on boot | 17:21 |
| smagoun_ | agoliveira: davidm we still see disk corruption on occasion using unionfs | 17:21 |
| lool | If the Q1 is the reference platform, we should focus on optimizing ext3 boots; optimizing squashfs boots would be a different job | 17:22 |
| patm | Q1 is not the reference platform | 17:22 |
| agoliveira | ChickenCutlass: I'll have to check it out as I doin't remember that and I'm quite sure I would have noticed. | 17:22 |
| lool | Ok :) | 17:22 |
| patm | lool, menlow is the only target that counts | 17:22 |
| agoliveira | patm: Unfortunately that's what I have to use as a test base. | 17:22 |
| patm | I understand | 17:22 |
| agoliveira | That's what IO have to report for now. | 17:23 |
| agoliveira | s/O// | 17:23 |
| davidm | patm, is there any chance your team will be testing the ext3 partition sometime soon? | 17:23 |
| smagoun_ | patm: agoliveira many optimizations will benefit both squashfs and ext3-based systems | 17:23 |
| ChickenCutlass | agoliveira: The bug is #141261 in LP | 17:23 |
| lool | patm: It's not very interesting to look at Q1 boot speeds; I understood that menlow had an even slower CPU and had storage constraints; it's quite different :-/ | 17:23 |
| smagoun_ | davidm: I tried it at one point. It booted, which was nice. Didn't have time beyond that, we're timesharing our CB among 6 developers | 17:24 |
| patm | lool, it is different but I assume it shares some issues | 17:24 |
| agoliveira | Well, in this case, maybe someone with menlow should take care of that. | 17:24 |
| agoliveira | or send me one | 17:24 |
| patm | what smagoun_ said earlier | 17:25 |
| agoliveira | smagoun_: Ouch | 17:25 |
| smagoun_ | lool: I disagree. Q1 optimizations will help the Menlow systems too | 17:25 |
| davidm | smagoun_, is there any chance of leaving the ext3 build as the default for a while and see if the corruption goes away and we can get a quick look at boot speed too? | 17:25 |
| tonyespy_ | i'm with steve...the optimizations may be different, but the technique(s) used could be the same | 17:26 |
| lool | smagoun_: Depends if we trade disk against CPU; the Q1 has more of both | 17:26 |
| lool | We could well see improvements on the Q1 which are really killing the menlow or vice-versa | 17:26 |
| smagoun_ | davidm: yes, that's reasonable. We have a tight schedule between now and the end of the year, but I'll see what I can do. | 17:26 |
| patm | my original point is that we ultimately need to do timing on the menlow | 17:26 |
| lool | +1 for patm | 17:27 |
| Mithrandir | lool: actually, the Q1 has at least a lower clock speed than the menlow systems. | 17:27 |
| lool | Mithrandir: I thought the CPU was slower on menlow | 17:27 |
| patm | speed starts at 800 Mhz | 17:27 |
| agoliveira | which is the q1 clock | 17:27 |
| lool | I didn't hear about clock speeds until now, but I recall I was told it was even slower due to a more energy efficient architecture | 17:28 |
| smagoun_ | lool: The best way to make a system go faster is do less. In nearly every case that will benefit both platforms equally. | 17:28 |
| lool | smagoun_: I'm not saying there are no changes that would benefit both; I'm saying we should bench the target and not infer optimizations from a non-target system | 17:28 |
| agoliveira | As the boot process is very cpu bound looks like the first shot would be an all ext3 boot | 17:28 |
| robr2 | if you speed up ext3 how do you meet the storage footprint size? | 17:29 |
| agoliveira | robr2: One can't have it all :) | 17:30 |
| davidm | robr2, if ext3 makes a big difference then at least we know that squashfs is a part of the problem. | 17:30 |
| smagoun_ | robr2: If we use ext3, we don't meet the disk footprint targets. | 17:30 |
| Mithrandir | smagoun_: are you sure? | 17:31 |
| agoliveira | I think that we can squeeze that a bit by optimizing the installed packages. There must be room to manuver there. | 17:31 |
| patm | the ask is for <500MB | 17:31 |
| robr2 | at one point we did compare booting ext3 to squashfs/unionfs and there was a very small difference between the two -- but we also didn't optimize the boot for ext3 just swapped one for the other | 17:31 |
| davidm | smagoun_, right now we have two issues that need to be debugged, boot speed and flash corruption, ext3 testing will help with both. | 17:32 |
| smagoun_ | Mithrandir: for our customer we're in danger of missing those targets even with squashfs right now :( | 17:32 |
| kyleN | < 500MB not including OOo | 17:32 |
| patm | you should say disk image corruption, nit just flash issue I think | 17:32 |
| davidm | patm, Ah, OK sorry | 17:32 |
| Mithrandir | s/disk image/file system/, to nitpick | 17:33 |
| davidm | Still testing with ext3 will provide important info for both issues. | 17:33 |
| davidm | patm and I just talked off line, I think we have a way around some of his bottleneck. | 17:33 |
| robr2 | it will give you data, not sure how that will help fix the corruption issue if there's a bug in either unionfs or squashfs and you need it meet the footprint requirement | 17:34 |
| smagoun_ | davidm: are you going to clone Mithrandir ? | 17:34 |
| patm | xmas present | 17:34 |
| kyleN | (snowing HARD) | 17:34 |
| Mithrandir | no snow here. :-( | 17:34 |
| davidm | robr2, it will at least tell us if the problem is in fact the unionfs or squashfs or not. | 17:34 |
| davidm | smagoun_, wish I could | 17:34 |
| agoliveira | *very* sunny outside :) | 17:35 |
| robr2 | do you have a set of repeatable steps to reproduce the disk image corruption? | 17:35 |
| davidm | robr2 no if we did I'd have someone assigned to fix it. | 17:36 |
| ChickenCutlass | robr2: I can get it to happen pretty much all the time by just hard shutting the system down | 17:36 |
| ChickenCutlass | robr2: happens more often on the menlow system with SSD flash | 17:36 |
| smagoun_ | robr2: no, I can't reproduce on command. It usually involves a hard power off though | 17:36 |
| agoliveira | So? | 17:37 |
| robr2 | i'd like to have an engineer help with this issue, can we coordinate/share info? | 17:37 |
| davidm | robr2 yes, for sure. | 17:38 |
| davidm | [action] Lexington to test ext3 for boot speed and disk image corruption as soon as an extra CB shows up. | 17:38 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Lexington to test ext3 for boot speed and disk image corruption as soon as an extra CB shows up. | 17:39 |
| Mithrandir | robr2: I've had some luck reproducing it by booting the system, then yanking the power cord midway through a couple of times. | 17:39 |
| davidm | [action] davidm to ship his cb to Lexington today overnight. | 17:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to ship his cb to Lexington today overnight. | 17:39 |
| smagoun_ | davidm: Thanks!! | 17:39 |
| patm | hohoho | 17:39 |
| kyleN | xmas | 17:39 |
| davidm | [action] Canonical to share all info with robr2 on disk image corruption as soon as available | 17:40 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Canonical to share all info with robr2 on disk image corruption as soon as available | 17:40 |
| robr2 | is there a bug already in launchpad we could use to share info? | 17:40 |
| davidm | I believe there is, patm smagoun_ is it a public bug? | 17:40 |
| patm | robr, not really, I can create one in moblin | 17:40 |
| smagoun_ | looking now | 17:40 |
| davidm | If not we can open a public one | 17:40 |
| robr2 | we could just enter what we find in the bug there and everyone can update/monitor it as needed | 17:41 |
| patm | what project should it go against? | 17:41 |
| davidm | mobile I guess, until we can identify what is the issue | 17:42 |
| smagoun_ | can't find a bug | 17:42 |
| davidm | smagoun_, kyleN don't get too excited, I'll need the unit back a some point after the new year but right now I think you can get more use from it solving this stuff. | 17:43 |
| davidm | Anyway so one more action to open a public bug? | 17:43 |
| davidm | Or is it done already :-) | 17:43 |
| davidm | who should open this bug? | 17:44 |
| davidm | smagoun_, can you since you care do it the most? | 17:45 |
| davidm | [action] davidm to follow up and make sure a bug is opened to share info with Intel | 17:45 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to follow up and make sure a bug is opened to share info with Intel | 17:45 |
| patm | its private bug#141249, but we should open a new one | 17:46 |
| davidm | patm, yes please | 17:46 |
| smagoun_ | davidm: sure | 17:46 |
| smagoun_ | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/moblin-other/+bug/176178 | 17:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 176178 in moblin-other "Filesystem corruption on hard shutdown" [Undecided,New] | 17:46 |
| smagoun_ | just filed it | 17:46 |
| davidm | Good enough, have we gone as far as we can today on this topic? | 17:46 |
| agoliveira | This is the kind of situation that should never actually happen, but... | 17:47 |
| agoliveira | davidm: I guess so. | 17:47 |
| davidm | OK then next topic | 17:47 |
| davidm | [topic] robr to arrange a meeting around USB and VFAT issues. In this case all parties to this meeting are scattered around the world so someone will be inconvenienced. | 17:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: robr to arrange a meeting around USB and VFAT issues. In this case all parties to this meeting are scattered around the world so someone will be inconvenienced. | 17:47 |
| davidm | This happened but has been continued, robr2 is it confirmed for tomorrow or not? | 17:48 |
| davidm | do you know? | 17:48 |
| robr2 | no, i don't know | 17:48 |
| robr2 | i can send an invite out again to the team, but i need to make sure rustyl and alek are available from intel's side | 17:49 |
| davidm | OK, thanks, I have not heard anything more since the meeting. | 17:50 |
| lool | robr2: I think you can simply mail ubuntu-mobile@ when yuo have a date | 17:50 |
| lool | It needs not be private mail | 17:50 |
| davidm | [action] robr2 to check if meeting will happen tomorrow. | 17:51 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: robr2 to check if meeting will happen tomorrow. | 17:51 |
| lool | (since the meeting is public anyway) | 17:51 |
| davidm | amitk, you here? | 17:51 |
| amitk | yup | 17:51 |
| davidm | ok then next topic i | 17:51 |
| davidm | [topic] amitk to update hardy ppa with drivers | 17:51 |
| MootBot | New Topic: amitk to update hardy ppa with drivers | 17:51 |
| bspencer | I setup the continued USB meeting for 10am PDT | 17:51 |
| bspencer | Friday | 17:52 |
| amitk | davidm: hardy ppa? | 17:52 |
| davidm | OK, thanks bspencer | 17:52 |
| bspencer | are we agreed that it will work for those here? | 17:52 |
| bspencer | cause I don't want to roll out of bed at that early hour for nothing ;) | 17:52 |
| davidm | I have to reschedule a meeting with Don Johnson on process but | 17:52 |
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| bspencer | silence is affirmation | 17:53 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: And that time would be what UTC (I'm lazy to google for it) | 17:53 |
| davidm | He had taken that time slot but I'll contact him after this | 17:53 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, +9hrs I think | 17:53 |
| bspencer | or close to that...maybe +8 or +10 after daylight savings | 17:53 |
| lool | I think it's 10 | 17:53 |
| davidm | I think 1800 | 17:53 |
| bspencer | fine. see you then | 17:54 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | PDT is either -7 or -8 | 17:54 |
| davidm | amitk it was a carry over from the meeting before last week. | 17:54 |
| smagoun_ | agoliveira: it's 4pm your time | 17:54 |
| Mithrandir | US/Pacific is -08:00 | 17:54 |
| agoliveira | smagoun_: Cool. I was adding PDT to my world clock :) | 17:54 |
| agoliveira | smagoun_: Thanks. | 17:54 |
| amitk | davidm: you mean gutsy ppa though, right? | 17:55 |
| davidm | We have a hardy ppa to be symmetrical with gutsy ppa | 17:55 |
| smagoun_ | (agoliveira you might want to double-check, just to be sure!) | 17:55 |
| lool | Hmm http://www.world-time-zones.org/zones/pacific-daylight-time.htm says -7 | 17:55 |
| lool | I'm lost | 17:55 |
| davidm | So now I'm confused, amitk I think we need to go back to the old minutes and track this down. | 17:55 |
| * amitk learns something new. The vacation was successful :) | 17:55 | |
| HappyCamp_laptop | lool, we are on standard time right now, not daylight | 17:55 |
| davidm | since we are almost out of time I'll leave the carry over in place and we can see what the item was. | 17:56 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | PST | 17:56 |
| amitk | davidm: sure | 17:56 |
| davidm | Ok next topic | 17:56 |
| smagoun_ | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock is helpful for this sort of thing | 17:56 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock is helpful for this sort of thing | 17:56 |
| smagoun_ | thanks mootbot | 17:56 |
| lool | Ok so -8 | 17:56 |
| davidm | [topic] smagoun - discuss tagging moblin projects in git | 17:56 |
| MootBot | New Topic: smagoun - discuss tagging moblin projects in git | 17:56 |
| smagoun_ | I'd like the intel folks to tag their git trees when doing a release. It makes finding the source that corresponds to a given release much easier. The alternative is wading through commit diffs trying to find the SHA-1 commit ID that corresponds to a release. | 17:56 |
| bspencer | smagoun_, I hear your request. Not the first time | 17:57 |
| bspencer | thanks for your patience :-\ | 17:57 |
| smagoun_ | Some trees are already tagged, but some - like moblin-media - aren't tagged, and the commit messages don't always announce a new release | 17:57 |
| bspencer | I talked to the media guys about starting this practice when I was visiting in PRC | 17:57 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | sounds like a good idea, we have also discussed having our guys create tarballs at release time | 17:57 |
| bspencer | I'll encourage them a little stronger | 17:57 |
| smagoun_ | bspencer: thanks, I appreciate it. | 17:57 |
| bspencer | let me clarify my understanding | 17:57 |
| bspencer | after git push, you get the tag | 17:57 |
| bspencer | then you git tag <tag> version (or something) | 17:58 |
| bspencer | then you can pull from that tag. | 17:58 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | bspencer: you have to push the tag too, which I think requires a flag to git push | 17:58 |
| smagoun_ | bspencer: On your side: git commit, git tag <tag>, git push, git push --tags | 17:58 |
| bspencer | cool | 17:59 |
| * HappyCamp_laptop wonders if he can work it into the build system some how | 17:59 | |
| * bspencer likes HappyCamp's wonderings | 17:59 | |
| * HappyCamp_laptop but probably won't try for now | 17:59 | |
| davidm | bspencer, are you willing to take an action on this | 17:59 |
| amitk | bspencer: at UDS we briefly talked about having a -commits mailing list to track activity on moblin | 17:59 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | We do have a commit mailing list | 18:00 |
| amitk | HappyCamp_laptop: you do? | 18:00 |
| robr2 | we've had from day 1 ;-) | 18:00 |
| lool | HappyCamp_laptop: git-bp can tag the configured branch with the configured formatted tag and message | 18:00 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | Not well publicized :( | 18:00 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | https://www.moblin.org/mailman/listinfo/commits | 18:00 |
| tonyespy_ | amitk: i'm on it... | 18:00 |
| davidm | [link] https://www.moblin.org/mailman/listinfo/commits | 18:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://www.moblin.org/mailman/listinfo/commits | 18:00 |
| bspencer | davidm, my action is a little soft because we will discuss it and start the practice, but it has no end date. I'm happy to have the action though | 18:01 |
| davidm | Thanks how about just report status in next meeting? | 18:01 |
| bspencer | np | 18:02 |
| * agoliveira wants some freaking lasers... | 18:02 | |
| agoliveira | oops | 18:02 |
| davidm | [action] bspencer to talk with deveopers to push get tags when making a release, and report back on status of this | 18:02 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: bspencer to talk with deveopers to push get tags when making a release, and report back on status of this | 18:02 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | amitk: I have also emailed our web content person to add the commit mailing list to the website info. | 18:02 |
| davidm | OK we are out of time and there are no new items on the agenda | 18:02 |
| amitk | HappyCamp_laptop: thanks | 18:03 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | lool: I will see if I have git-bp on our systems | 18:03 |
| patm | davidm, can I ask about PPM ? | 18:03 |
| davidm | Sure go ahead | 18:03 |
| lool | HappyCamp_laptop: That's git-buildpackage BTW, I'm just lazy typing it without tab :) | 18:03 |
| patm | basic question is what is the plan and current status for integrating PPM | 18:03 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | k | 18:03 |
| patm | PPM = power policy manager | 18:04 |
| davidm | Ah, thanks | 18:04 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | patm: who was supposed to answer this question? | 18:06 |
| agoliveira | Even better: which question? :) | 18:06 |
| robr2 | the right person to answer that question is rustyl | 18:06 |
| davidm | [topic] what is the plan and current status for integrating PPM | 18:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: what is the plan and current status for integrating PPM | 18:07 |
| * agoliveira is being picky about the question mark, that's all :) | 18:07 | |
| * HappyCamp_laptop thinks agoliveira wants question marks in front of and at the end of all questions. Wierd! | 18:08 | |
| robr2 | i know PPM is committed on moblin and in images, but i'm not sure the latest status | 18:08 |
| davidm | amitk, do you have any input? | 18:08 |
| agoliveira | HappyCamp_laptop: No, we don't speak spanish around here, as you know :) | 18:08 |
| kyleN | speak only geek | 18:09 |
| robr2 | mohammed is the engineer on our side doing the work with rusty coordinating/directing the effort | 18:09 |
| amitk | davidm: not really. My plate has been full | 18:09 |
| davidm | amitk, OK, thanks | 18:09 |
| davidm | patm, can we send the question to rusty in email? | 18:10 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | agoliveira: predicted high temperatures this week in Portland: 6, 7, 6, 7, 7 in Celsius, and it is wet :( | 18:10 |
| davidm | [action] davidm to query rustyl on status of PPM | 18:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to query rustyl on status of PPM | 18:10 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | Oregon forecast: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=pqr&smap=1&textField1=45.53861&textField2=-122.9596°rees=C | 18:11 |
| davidm | OK unless there is anything else I'm going to close the meeting? | 18:11 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | +1 | 18:11 |
| davidm | going once........... | 18:12 |
| davidm | going twice....... | 18:12 |
| davidm | gone | 18:12 |
| davidm | #endmeeting | 18:12 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 18:12. | 18:12 |
| agoliveira | HappyCamp_laptop: I can just hope for a better weather in january. In any case I already bought a heavy and water-proof jacket. | 18:13 |
| amitk | davidm: are we going to discuss the driver updates now? | 18:14 |
| sodarock_home | agoliveira: january is usually colder than December :( | 18:14 |
| agoliveira | sodarock_home: I hope it's at least drier or you will see a very ill-tempered version of me there. | 18:15 |
| Mithrandir | sodarock_home: it's 6-7°C there now? That's nice and warm.. | 18:17 |
| sodarock_home | LOL, I don't think agoliveira thinks so :) | 18:17 |
| Mithrandir | it's -9°C here now. | 18:17 |
| sodarock_home | Brrr | 18:18 |
| sodarock_home | Okay, I got to go drive into work now | 18:18 |
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| HappyCamp | praj | 21:29 |
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