[00:08]  * xstasi is away: Dangerous like a razorback - Deadly like a heart attack
[00:13] <cps1966> !wifi
[00:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:06] <DanaG> Gaack, the slowness, the slowness!
[01:11] <DanaG> Aarararrargh.
[02:12] <DanaG> Okay, that's odd..... somehow my laptop is now showing TWO batteries.
[02:13] <DanaG> It's only gnome-power-manager doing it, I believe.
[02:15] <DanaG> /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT1
[02:15] <DanaG> and /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/
[02:20] <DanaG> Aah, battery and power_supply are redundant.
[02:30] <DanaG> Oh waitm they're not truly redundant, but they do create multiple virtual battery devices.
[02:33] <cps1967> this here is hardy on eee pcc
[02:33] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[02:34] <nomasteryoda> do those things perform ok?
[02:34] <nomasteryoda> was worried they would be slow
[02:34] <cps1967> cant  get wirel4ess to work though
[02:34] <nomasteryoda> what card brand?
[02:34] <cps1967> na faster thann heck on this thng
[02:34] <nomasteryoda> cool
[02:35] <nomasteryoda> oh and no fan noize
[02:35] <nomasteryoda> =D
[02:35] <cps1967> wel it module is loaded
[02:35] <nomasteryoda> i think the thing would be about as wide as my hands in typing position
[02:35] <cps1967> jst dont haave tools to configure it
[02:35] <nomasteryoda> using a dell Latitude 610 with gutsy
[02:35] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:35] <cps1967> onne hand
[02:36] <nomasteryoda> hmm, that would take getting used to
[02:36] <cps1967> tping is a bitch
[02:36] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[02:36] <nomasteryoda> sukay
[02:36] <cps1967> half sized kb
[02:36] <nomasteryoda> the whole thing is what 6" wide?
[02:36] <cps1967> about 9
[02:37] <nomasteryoda> not bad
[02:37] <nomasteryoda> this dell is about 12.5 wide
[02:37] <cps1967> the kb is about the size of hp jornada
[02:38] <nomasteryoda> man
[02:38] <nomasteryoda> that is small then
[02:38] <nomasteryoda> i've used one of those for a short bit
[02:38] <cps1967> 7 inch wide screen
[02:39] <cps1967> stereo speakers
[02:39] <ysth1> 256Mb memory?
[02:39] <cps1967> xp does run half decent on it too
[02:40] <cps1967> 512 but can be 2 GB
[02:41] <cps1967> o i have kubuntu BTW
[02:41] <cps1967> gnmme wasn't stable
[02:41] <nomasteryoda> ya i prefer it, but i can switch into gnome at anytime
[02:41] <cps1967> man mt finngers are to big
[02:41] <nomasteryoda> or flux
[02:42] <nomasteryoda> blackbox, etc
[02:42]  * DanaG thinks Asus was stupid for using a CELERON in an ultra-mobile PC.
[02:42] <DanaG> Celeron == NO SPEEDSTEP.
[02:42] <DanaG> But anyway, I'm pondering that "OLPC" laptop -- I wonder if I'd have a use for one, and whether it'd be Ubuntu-fy-able.
[02:43] <cps1967> hey it doesn't suck the battery dr so fast that way
[02:43] <DanaG> s/fy/ify/
[02:43] <DanaG> Celerons run at full speed 100% of the time.
[02:43] <cps1967> na this is 600-900
[02:43] <DanaG> Gaack, that second battery entry really IS bugged.  It doesn't change its value.
[02:44] <cps1967> ten it lies
[02:44] <cps1967> then
[02:44] <DanaG> It's a bug in the new kernel.
[02:44] <DanaG> The old version only had the /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/, and that worked properly.
[02:44] <cps1967> what kerne you usng
[02:44] <DanaG> 2.6.24-1-generic
[02:45] <DanaG> Old was 2.6.22-14-generic.
[02:45] <cps1967> its not final thats wh
[02:45] <DanaG> And the old battery entry still works; there's just a new broken one that doesn't change.
[02:46] <cps1967> t me this is just as fast as my dual dual core xeons but it has tons of hrdware
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> ya more hardware is better
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> for some things
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> just surfing that thing would be quite sweet... and if you can kismet .. wow
[02:48] <cps1967> i have external dvdrw for this and it works just fine just ccant get nothing that big on 4gb HDD
[02:49] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:49] <nomasteryoda> you'd need an external hd to do that stuff
[02:49] <nomasteryoda> i think a hybrid dvd/mini hd would be a cool thing to have for the eee and XO
[02:49] <cps1967> well it has sd card slot also and it works quite well
[02:49] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:50] <nomasteryoda> ya man you can add any amount storage too
[02:50] <nomasteryoda> i got to use a sdhc card the other day and man, fast very fast
[02:50] <cps1967> i think for the 400 bucks this is etter that XO
[02:50] <nomasteryoda> definitely
[02:51] <nomasteryoda> i got to hold the xo at Ohio Linux Fest back in Oct
[02:51]  * cafuego notes the XO wasn't designed for you ;-)
[02:51] <cps1967> 25 MB/s is fastest one right now
[02:51] <nomasteryoda> was cute, but not very durable at all
[02:52] <nomasteryoda> of course, it was a Fedora developer model, but exact same thing from waht they said
[02:52] <cps1967> seems there is a bluetooth hac for this too
[02:54] <cps1967> after warrenty rus out i'll pla with it
[02:54] <DanaG> Dang, that duplicate battery won't go away even if I make an fdi file for it.
[02:55] <cps1967> nomasteryoda: where abouts tou in ohio
[02:55] <nomasteryoda> i drove up from Georgia
[02:55] <nomasteryoda> was in Columbus
[02:55] <cps1967> DanaG:  maybe you need to blaclist module
[02:56] <cps1967> oic
[02:56] <cps1967> i'm about 4 hrs n,w. of columbus
[02:57] <nomasteryoda> wow
[02:57] <nomasteryoda> i drove up to the lake
[02:57] <nomasteryoda> the morning before the conference
[02:57] <cps1967> iway past the lake
[02:58] <cps1967> almost in inndiana
[02:58] <DanaG> Dang, battery depends on power_supply.
[02:58] <nomasteryoda> cool
[02:58] <nomasteryoda> http://nomasteryoda.homelinux.org:8081/fgallery/
[02:58] <DanaG> So I can't just blacklist the offending power_supply module.
[02:58] <cps1967> why not
[02:58] <nomasteryoda> i have some pictures there... they are in picasa and flickr ... using that flash gallery to show them off
[02:59] <cps1967> hehe no rowser here yet
[02:59] <cps1967> browser
[03:03] <DanaG> Odd: the sysfs entry is actually updating its data, but somehow HAL is not acknowledging it.
[03:05] <cps1967> was trying t keep install t a miinium
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> understand that with only 4gb
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> what about konqueror?
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> its quite good...
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> think even flash will work with it
[03:14] <DanaG> Gaack, while experimenting with the battery and HAL, I pulled out the power cord BEFORE I put the battery back in.  Silly me.
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> way impressive
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> watching a nanotech video in konqueror
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> with adobe flash plugin
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> http://youtube.com/watch?v=S4CjZ-OkGDs&feature=dir
[03:15] <DanaG> I see: the power_supply object does not generate events!
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> if you get it installed, cool video... wonder if they are using ubuntu at all in that lab
[03:15] <DanaG> Oh wait, it did just generate one.
[03:16] <cps1967> gd god how maaaany pics are on there
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> cps1966, they are feeding from those sites
[03:17] <cps1967> oic
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> if you click one, you'll get to my photo pages
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> =D
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> its really cool... the server is apache on ubuntu feisty
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> simple xml script runs the whole thing
[03:20] <cps1967> now i only have 1.2 GB free space
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> so you installed firefox or konqueror
[03:21] <cps1966> this is me on my main box
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> you can go in and remove stuff like man pages
[03:21] <DanaG> Okay...
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:21] <DanaG> the power_supply device generated a device exactly ONCE.
[03:21] <DanaG> And that's it.
[03:21] <cps1966> got cripled from that tiny kb
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> you need a nice wireless keyboard to go with that thing
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> even a usb would be better
[03:22] <cps1966> yeah usb one
[03:22] <cps1966> has 3 usb ports
[03:22] <DanaG> Why get an ultraportable if you're always going to lug around a keyboard?
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> hmmm, wonder if i pull this laptop apart and put in some arctic silver if i'll get the temps down to reasonable levels like the 29C i got on the other laptop ...
[03:23] <cps1966> i just need some of alices pills to make me small
[03:23] <DanaG> Actually, 29 is excessively cool.
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> 50C is getting up there
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> its nice
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> that stuff works very well
[03:23] <DanaG> Mine idles at about 40, and at load it hits up to 66 tops.
[03:24] <cps1966> gee thats hot
[03:24] <DanaG> And actually, trying to replace the thermal tape with thermal paste made it worse (those temperatures are "after).
[03:24] <nomasteryoda> those little sticky panels they put in are total garbage compared to arctic silver gel
[03:24] <nomasteryoda> wow
[03:24] <nomasteryoda> gots to get quite smooth fit and lap both cpu and heatsink
[03:25] <DanaG> But Gateway made the lovely design decision of leaving about 1/2 to 1 millimeter between northbridge die and heatpipe.
[03:25] <nomasteryoda> ya 66 is just 4 away from shutdown
[03:25] <DanaG> Not really, for my laptop.
[03:25] <DanaG> Critical is 95.
[03:25] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:25] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:25] <nomasteryoda> wow that is very hot
[03:25] <cps1966> man that way to hot
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> talk about birth control
[03:26] <DanaG> Well, that reminds me of another laptop we have around here:
[03:26] <DanaG> Athlon XP 1400, cooled with heatpipe the size of a pack of gum.
[03:26] <cps1966> that would melt the case
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:26] <DanaG> And no thermal paste between die and heatsink -- instead, there was 'charred dust' or something.
[03:26] <DanaG> Idle: 70 C.  Load: 87 C.  Now THAT's hot.
[03:27] <DanaG> I gave it the hostname
[03:27] <DanaG> 'amaterasu'
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:28] <DanaG> Oh, and the fan trip point was 75.
[03:28] <cps1966> i use F here so its hard for me to see how hot that is
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> dang
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> cool thing... i use gkrellm and i8k tools now... can control it from off, low, high
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> and set the up/down points
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> and a nice little animated fan icon to show me its on
[03:29] <DanaG> Room temperature is 20, body is 38 (I think), and boiling is 100.
[03:31] <cps1966> 22 2 rt 37 bt 87c 188f
[03:31] <cps1966> google is your freind
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> yup
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> got me some nice Google Open Source Programs Office black T-shirts from the conference
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> and some really cool aluminum Ubuntu laptop badges
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> like the windows ones most systems have
[03:33] <cps1966> ubuntu inside would be cool
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:34] <DanaG> I could use a badge for my laptop.
[03:34] <cps1966> make one
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> these say powered by ubuntu
[03:34] <cps1966> decopauge style
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> your state's Ubuntu-loco groups should have gotten some
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> if they were on the ball
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> the head of ubuntu-georgia sent my LUG 20 or so
[03:35] <cps1966> maybe they didn't jump up and kiss ass though
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> maybe
[03:36] <cps1966> had to say that
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> i like these... http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=65578&file1=65578-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Vista%20Incapable%20Stickers%20(Designed%20for)
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> i want some new ones for Hardy
[03:37] <cps1966> i thing about everything is vista uncapable
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> heh
[03:37] <DanaG> Vista Incapable?  That's a bit lame.
[03:37] <DanaG> It should say something like "Vista Irrelevant"
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> no, really ... won't run it
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> true
[03:38] <cps1966> just keep that crap away from me
[03:38] <DanaG> "Incapable" sounds weak; what you want is "don't want it".
[03:38] <cps1966> xp was bad enough
[03:39] <DanaG> You've gotta
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> cps1966, i setup a desktop dell for a friend's 20-something daughter... it had infected, infested Vista on it.. .and only 512mb ram... after I got done, I rebadged it with one of those powered by Ubuntu stickers
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> cause that's all thats on it now...
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> runs  like a top
[03:40] <DanaG> (damn enter key -- it jumps and steals my finger that's aiming for apostrophe)
[03:40] <DanaG> You must admit at least one thing about Vista: it forces manufacturers to at least TRY to fix their BIOSes.
[03:40] <cps1966> heh it does more than that forces them to install ubuntu
[03:41] <DanaG> The new ACPI Video support in Linux uses methods that Microsoft is making manufacturers use, instead of the old proprietary methods for Toshiba and Panasonic and IBM/Lenovo and ...
[03:41] <DanaG> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-bugs/2007-11/msg05846.html
[03:41] <DanaG> aah. relevant to my battery thingy.
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:42] <Jordan_U> Is gnome-screensaver still redirected with compiz due to security reasons?
[03:42]  * DanaG use xscreensaver because gnome-screensaver sucks.
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> and, just think.. all those nice Vusta boxes that become Irrelevant after short time... will sweetly run Ubuntu with full Compiz effects
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> just rebadged this latitude... no more windows!
[03:43] <DanaG> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-acpi/msg08715.html
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> i disable screensavers except when I need to show off
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> the compiz one is cool
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> and with my snowy desktop...
[03:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG, AFIK xscreensaver has the same vulnerability, it just isn't worked around by default :)
[03:44] <cps1966> 2.6.24-0.rc4.1mdvsmp
[03:44] <DanaG> What vulnerability?
[03:44] <cps1966> haha fooled ya
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> 2.6.22-14-generic using that one...
[03:44] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-1-generic #1 SMP Fri Dec 7 22:06:49 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Try locking the screen then spinning the desktop cube...
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> but i suppose I could change the repos to Hardy and install latest kernel
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> then reset repos down to gutsy
[03:45] <cps1966> Linux localhost 2.6.24-0.rc4.1mdvsmp #1 SMP Tue Dec 4 17:21:14 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz GNU/Linux
[03:45] <DanaG> Nope, can't spin cube when xscreensaver locked.
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> ah, that makes sense
[03:46] <cps1966> i use mandriva-cooker on this box
[03:47] <cps1966> because ubuntu cant get past usb cam and tvcard
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> i got my HVR-950 working on this gutsy... well, almost same box
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> i have to use mythtv to get ATSC and tvtime for Analog TV
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> but they work ... sound patch required to make tvtime have sound...
[03:49] <cps1966> i have old hauppauge win tv with fm here
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> cool
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> i have an asus and a hauppauge too
[03:51] <cps1966> its old too like 9 years old
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> but this was for the road and at work...
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> but still good
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> have one of the wintv versions too at work
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> used it to capture some lab video feeds long ago
[03:52] <cps1966> yeah this can use composit video
[03:52] <cps1966> i have one of those cams also
[03:52] <cps1966> but it need a psu of its own
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> man up to 70 C now.. definitely need to powerdown before bed and lap it
[03:53] <cps1966> xawtv should do both formats of tv
[03:53] <DanaG> Is that idle or load?
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> 70% load
[03:54] <DanaG> My 66C load is full-load-both-cores when running two instances of Folding@Home.
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> using compiz snow
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> firefox-3.0, amarok idle, t-bird and xchat
[03:54] <cps1966> why not rain
[03:55] <cps1966> you guys need rain
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> hmm, maybe that will work now
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> i love rain too
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> esp the locate feature
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> Ctrl superkey i think does it
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> hot dang
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> thanks cps
[03:55] <cps1966> cant remember
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> this one can do that sweet stuff
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> oh baby the LUG meeting saturday will be awesome!
[03:56] <cps1966> just dont get pissed at that mdv guys
[03:56] <DanaG> I have water on Super-W.
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> cool
[03:58] <DanaG> Oh, another issue I
[03:58] <cps1966> its hard watching tv when its raining
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> i remaped left Alt key so i;d have one for Inkscape stuff... and now can't drag windows around... except with a compiz combo Alt+F7
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> heh
[03:58] <DanaG> Another issue I've been having with 2.6.24: CFS scheduler makes everything sluggish when under heavy load -- even when that load is SCHED_IDLEPRIO and nice +20.
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> wow
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> that's not nice
[03:59] <cps1966> try mdv then
[03:59] <DanaG> And I get audio dropouts on trying to tab-complete things.
[04:00] <DanaG> (I'm using PulseAudio for audio output and for the beep sound).
[04:00] <DanaG> I also have "wobble on beep" set because it's amusing.
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:02] <crimsun> user in pulse-rt?
[04:02] <DanaG> I'll check right now.
[04:02] <cps1966> god i'm glad i grew up last year
[04:02] <DanaG> It looks like I am in pulse-rt.
[04:02] <cps1966> hi ya crimsun
[04:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one new, really cool thing in PulseAudio: easy access to the "send to all devices" sink.
[04:04] <DanaG> I had seen how to do it manually before, but now all it takes is a checkbox.
[04:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and that audio dropout is also only when under heavy load, so it's likely not a PulseAudio issue.
[04:07] <cps1966> try riping a dvd and encoding it at same time
[04:09] <DanaG> I'm just running compiz and folding@home, where the latter is schedtool'd to be SCHED_IDLEPRIO and nice +20.
[04:09] <DanaG> It even bogs down keyboard input.
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> so DanaG will that work with Bluetooth stereo headphones?
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> i could not get it working with fedora... nor gutsy... have to use a2dpd to make those work
[04:10] <DanaG> I don't have a bluetooth headset, but I do have two sound cards -- or rather, three:
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> very cool to be able to send to all at same time
[04:10] <DanaG> Onboard hda-intel, cardbus snd-emu10k1, and usb.
[04:11] <DanaG> The only odd thing: the "send to all" doesn't like finding devices added or removed.
[04:11] <DanaG> Let me test that again to be sure...
[04:12] <cps1966> hey when i unplug usb device with new kernel it drives processors crazy like full load
[04:12] <DanaG> Eeh, hot-insert worked; now to try hot-remove.
[04:13] <DanaG> Still playing just fine on the two other devices.
[04:15] <cps1966> can you write something to usb flash frive and unplug it and see what happens
[04:18] <DanaG> What'll happen? Lost data, if you don't sync it first.
[04:18] <DanaG> I've had that happen with my iAudio6.  I'd end up with one song starting to play, and then I'd find part of another song stuck in the middle.
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> i always try to "safely remove" or eject
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> on Ubuntu ...
[04:20] <cps1966> yeah but it dont pop out at the right time
[04:20] <DanaG> One time I had one go away, then while I was pulling it out, it said "don't remove it yet".
[04:20] <DanaG> My reaction: too late, my reaction time was a bit too slow.
[04:21] <DanaG> What we really need: a way to buffer I/O for some number of seconds (perhaps 30 or 60), and then let the user reinsert the device.
[04:21] <cps1966> thtas me slow and old
[04:22] <DanaG> The scheduler and the battery are the big issues with 2.6.24 for me.
[04:22] <cps1966> funny how i got suckered in to using linux
[04:23] <DanaG> Suckered?
[04:24] <cps1966> well tired of windoz losing all my shit
[04:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me: I've been using OS X on my laptop (yes, it's "hackintosh"), but I've found there's nothing I can do there that I can't do in either Windows or Linux.
[04:24] <DanaG> And there are plenty of things I CAN'T do in OS X.
[04:25] <DanaG> Watching mkv with arbitrarily-positioned (and angled, and with embedded fonts) subtitles seems to be one of those things.
[04:25] <cps1966> cant do lots in winsloz nowadays either
[04:25] <cps1966> unless you have a few lifetimes
[04:25] <DanaG> Eeh, I don't diss Windows so much, but I do use Ubuntu as my primary OS.
[04:25] <DanaG> The big thing for me: font rendering.
[04:26] <cps1966> ??
[04:26] <DanaG> I actually hated when Gutsy beta changed from the old subpixel rendering to the new cleartype-ish way.  Luckily, it was easy enough to fix it with a local fonts.conf.
[04:27] <DanaG> Use Ubuntu all day: only some mild eyestrain, at worst.
[04:27] <DanaG> Use XP or Vista (with Eminence theme -- it's the only one I've consistently liked): aaieee, my eyes are bleeding!
[04:27] <DanaG> Well, not really, but it feels bad.
[04:27] <cps1966> ha i use cursive all day
[04:28] <cps1966> font that is
[04:28] <cps1966> kinda cool
[04:28] <cps1966> just got tired of print
[04:29] <DanaG> Oh, now I see why PulseAudio doesn't use dmix by default: it introduces a delay that sounds REALLY bad when using the "send to all" sink.
[04:30] <DanaG> Virtualbox is the only app I use that clashes violently with PulseAudio.  I wish there were a PulseAudio virtual sound card driver for Windows, for my XP VM.
[04:30] <cps1966> give it time
[04:34] <DanaG> Here's the WB theme: http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=5758&libid=1
[04:35] <DanaG> And in my VM, I use this:  http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=5498&libid=1  --  the white-flag style.
[04:39] <cps1966> to much eyecandy is bad for you
[04:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I got my USB sound card due to nonworking capture on my onboard STAC9250.
[04:40] <DanaG> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2007-June/001414.html
[04:40] <DanaG> That should help me ... I'll take a whack at it.
[04:46] <gary4gar> BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[04:46] <gary4gar> http://pastebin.com/d1ecfd94d
[04:46] <gary4gar> output of dmesg
[04:47] <DanaG> crimsun: I'm comparing the Windows driver INI file to the list of pin configs in patch-sigmatel.c, and I can't quite tell how the two relate.
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> cps1966, and i have stars, rain, leaves and snow ... sweet!
[04:48] <DanaG> first pin:  0x40C000F3   in ini,      0x40c003f0 in ALSA.
[04:48] <gary4gar> i was just looking at my dmesg and found out this soft lockup, is there anything to worry about?
[04:49] <DanaG> Yeah, when that happens, it means that CPU or core has essentially stalled and become useless.
[04:50] <pwnguin> what cpu?
[04:50] <pwnguin> and mobo?
[04:50] <gary4gar> AMD athlon 64 3000+
[04:50] <gary4gar> Msi-k8mm-v
[04:50] <pwnguin> ok, so its fairly safe to say its not new and untested
[04:50] <gary4gar> ^^ via k8m800+Via 8237 chipsets
[04:51] <pwnguin> which kernel
[04:51] <gary4gar> 2.6.23.8
[04:52] <pwnguin> so uh, wtf
[04:52] <pwnguin> debug your own kernel :P
[04:52] <gary4gar> hehe
[04:53] <gary4gar> !linux-image-generic
[04:53] <cps1966> ubotu is out to lunch
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is out to lunch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:54] <cps1966> yeah you do
[04:55] <cps1966> gary4gar:  try 2.6.24.rc
[04:56] <gary4gar> yep, i feel like, btw my kernel is now gone old
[04:56] <gary4gar> i will now upgrade to the generic one
[04:57] <DanaG> Yay, now digging around in large specs PDFs.
[04:57] <DanaG> "All of the STAC9250/9251 ports support: • Line Out • Line In • Mic with 0/10/20/30/402 dB Mic Boost"
[04:58] <DanaG> Dang, I wish there were a 'debug' model that'd give user control over each jack.
[04:58] <gary4gar> now to remove this kernel & install generic one?
[04:58] <DanaG> What video card do you use?
[04:58] <cps1966> with apt or synaptic
[04:59] <DanaG> 2.6.24 doesn't like letting nvidia or fglrx compile.
[04:59] <gary4gar> hmm its unichrome
[04:59] <DanaG> Don't remove the old one yet, then.
[04:59] <DanaG> Good practice anyway:
[04:59] <DanaG> don't remove old until you're sure the new one works.
[05:00] <cps1966> untill you get new one working anyway
[05:00] <DanaG> And even then, keep it around in case the new one's initramfs gets broken.
[05:00] <cps1966> maybe proc is going bad and its not kernel
[05:01] <gary4gar> i also follow this, i currently have 2.6.22-14-generic as backup
[05:01] <cps1966> winblows is to stuppid to know diff anyway
[05:02] <gary4gar> cps1966, don't terrorise me :o
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> man, the latest FreshUbuntu podcast hits the point on new systems with Ubuntu
[05:02] <gary4gar> anyways how to check
[05:02] <cps1966> try old kernel first and see if it still does it
[05:03] <gary4gar> okay, now will boot back into 2.6.22-14-generic,
[05:03] <gary4gar> brb
[05:07] <DanaG> Well, at least IDT put out a full spec sheet for the STAC9250.  However, I can see it'd still take ages to figure out just the right config for each pin from the bits.
[05:07] <DanaG> Ugh, I don't want to manually hack at it myself.
[05:08] <DanaG> I think I may just add an additional note to the relevant bug report.
[05:10] <cps1966> why not rename module and play with it a bit
[05:11] <cps1966> make a copy of old rename new
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> yup that would work.. or its worth a try
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> nn cps1966, DanaG
[05:14] <cps1966> ??
[05:15] <gary4gar> hhmmm i got back to the older & stable kernel
[05:16] <gary4gar> there are some msg that are wierd
[05:16] <gary4gar> like this powernow-k8: Hardware error - pending bit very stuck - no further pstate changes possible
[05:46] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/111145
[05:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]
[05:46] <DanaG> T'was posted for Feisty, but I've added details now, for Gutsy and now Hardy.
[07:04] <DanaG> Gaack, how the heck do you move a pulseaudio stream if it doesn't stick around long enough to use the menu?
[07:32] <Jordan_U_> DanaG, Did you figure out the whole "how the heck do you move a pulseaudio stream if it doesn't stick around long enough to use the menu" problem?
[07:34] <DanaG> I think the answer would be to make streams stick around for a few seconds longer.
[07:34] <DanaG> That's all I can think of.  It'd have to be done in the code of the apps themselves.
[07:35] <Xemanth> anybody using kubuntu hardy atm ?
[07:35] <Xemanth> how broken is it atm ?
[07:36] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Well the idea would be that you would want things like sound effects to be turned down, so you would have to just keep a standing silent stream for sound effects that way
[07:36] <DarkMageZ> Xemanth, highly broken if you like music
[07:37] <DarkMageZ> Xemanth, there's a bug with the dependencies surrounding xine
[07:37] <Xemanth> i c
[07:37] <Xemanth> so amarok ain't working
[07:38] <DarkMageZ> and that's only from the gnome user using amarok perspective. other kde stuff could be nuclear penguin style :P
[07:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for the moving streams thing, you could set a minimum of, say, 5 (or just 2.5) seconds for the stream to show up for.
[07:59] <Xemanth>  DanaG what streams are you talking about ?
[08:00] <Xemanth> or was that for me :D
[08:10] <Xemanth> off ->
[08:14] <DarkMageZ> Xemanth, he was talking to someone else about streams and pulseaudio before you came in
[08:31] <rx_> i cant get kde4 rc2 to install on hardy. please help.
[08:32] <gary4gar> rx_, its quite a lot buggy, i also tried it but gave up & now i am happy with gnome :)
[08:33] <gary4gar> i hope devs are able to remove bugs in time
[08:33] <DanaG> Woah, Exaile is eating 1.4GB of memory (including swap).
[08:33] <gary4gar> else we may also get a delayed release :(
[08:33] <DanaG> WTF?.
[08:34] <gary4gar> DanaG, was that Gib or Mib :p
[08:34] <DanaG> G.
[08:34] <gary4gar> need to confirm
[08:34] <gary4gar> :o
[08:34] <DanaG> It seems to react VERY badly when PulseAudio is stopped and it tries to play again.
[08:35] <DanaG> Well, at least with CFS, the system no longer grinds entirely to a halt when going to large amounts of swap.
[08:35] <gary4gar> its fine here, 26.3MB used :|
[08:36] <gary4gar> :~$ free -m
[08:36] <gary4gar>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:36] <gary4gar> Mem:           947        937         10          0         73        471
[08:36] <rx_> gary4gar: well i'm using gnome too but i wanted to test the rc2 packages for hardy so i can find some bugs
[08:36] <rx_> i only tested it with the opensuse live cd but opensuse ***** ;)
[08:37] <gary4gar> rx_, there is no need to find bugs, Bugs will jump on you :p
[08:37] <gary4gar> just j/k
[08:38] <rx_> haha
[08:38] <rx_> iknow ;-)
[08:38] <rx_> btw
[08:38] <rx_> whats wrong with the fonts used in firefox with hardy?
[08:38] <rx_> they are often smaller
[08:38] <rx_> and not always the same as before
[09:10] <RAOF> DanaG: I need to file some pulseaudio bugs; rhythmbox *really* hates it when I suspend using pulseaudio.
[09:14] <DanaG> Amarok just plain hates PulseAudio entirely.
[09:16] <hit> RAOF, fine for me
[09:23] <DarkMageZ> what's with libxine1-console having a replaces and conflicts with libxine1
[09:27] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: Because it contains plugins that were in libxine1, but aren't any more.
[09:29] <DarkMageZ> yeah. but the conflicts are marked in a bad way. conflicts libxine1 =< 1.1.8-2. replaces libxine1 =< 1.1.8-2
[09:29] <RAOF> What's wrong with that?
[09:29] <RAOF> Is that the current package version?
[09:30] <DarkMageZ> well, the new package version is 1.1.8-3. and since it conflicts with greater than 1.1.8-2...
[09:30] <DarkMageZ> = or greater than
[09:30] <ysth1> it removed libxine1 for me, and nothing seems to be using it
[09:30] <RAOF> No, less than or equal to.
[09:30] <RAOF> Greater than or equal to would be >=
[09:31] <RAOF> There's another problem that's preventing the update (libxine1 <-> libxine1-bin issues)
[09:31] <ysth1> hm.  I thought I had gxine installed, but apparently not...
[09:32] <RAOF> You'll find that -3ubuntu2 should fix that. :)
[09:32] <DarkMageZ> when's the eta for that to hit main
[09:33] <RAOF> The source package is already published; see hardy-changes RSS :)
[09:34] <DarkMageZ> ah, so i might beable to build amarok 2 tonight
[09:47] <DarkMageZ> Available the fixed package is not:(
[09:51] <crimsun> DanaG: I'd need to see the INI.
[09:52] <DanaG> Aah, I've added the INI files to the bug report.
[10:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/111145
[10:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]
[11:10] <tarzeau> yay interesting ubuntu statistics http://krum.ethz.ch/udc/
[11:21] <DarkMageZ> amarok 2 works on hardy ?
[12:12] <Xemanth> DarkMageZ: i c :)
[12:13] <DarkMageZ> Xemanth, the xine problems were fixed. i don't know of any serious issues affecting your upgrade to hardy. tho it could still be dangerous :P
[12:14] <Xemanth> i like to live on the edge
[12:14] <DarkMageZ> Xemanth, there's also amarok 2 if you join us on the darkside :P
[12:14] <Xemanth> i already downloaded this day's dailybuild
[12:54] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 6 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:54] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 6 minutes
[12:54] <dholbach> oops :)
[13:49] <m1r> hello
[13:59] <boris_> hi m1r
[14:02] <m1r> hi boris_
[14:04] <boris_> i got a Samsung SGH-Z150 mobile phone and i want to connect it to my computer with USB, nobody will answer in #ubuntu
[14:04] <boris_> do you know how i connect it ?
[14:05] <Hobbsee> just plug it in?
[14:06] <boris_> well
[14:06] <bazhang> boris_: unlikely to get a response here, head back to #ubuntu, and I will try to help you
[14:06] <boris_> ok
[14:06] <Hobbsee> boris_: what are you trying to do with it?
[14:06] <boris_> Hobbsee: phone says it's connected to comp, but i cant see it
[14:06] <boris_> just put some files on it
[14:07] <Hobbsee> boris_: i think you have to use the samsung application for it - i can't do it wiht mine either
[14:07]  * Hobbsee can charge it fine, though
[14:08] <boris_> Hobbsee: mine seems to charge as well
[15:47] <cypherdelic> pifpafpuf wir fahren in den ...
[15:48] <cypherdelic> zoo
[15:48] <Hobbsee> !de
[15:49] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:50] <cypherdelic> i knew some english
[15:51] <nanonyme> he was singing anyway, me thinks
[15:51] <cypherdelic> lemme translate 'pifpafpuf wir fahren in den ... zoo' for you => pifpafpuf we drive to the... zoo
[15:52] <nanonyme> at least it sounded like a song i've long ago heard
[15:53] <cypherdelic> pifpafpuf rhymes on Puff what means a House of ... er special Woman, but you say zoo ;D
[15:53] <Tomcat_> It's not really a good rhyme.
[15:54] <cypherdelic> but ubuntu is my metaphorical house of ..
[15:56] <cypherdelic> On 25.12.2150 the great ubuntu prophet will be born in the sign of waterman, he will have 12 brothers, will be born by a wonder birth of a vrgin, which name bega with M
[15:56] <cypherdelic> and he will be crcified by the microsoft boss and will be reborn after 3 days
[15:56] <boris_> cypherdelic: what are you, a prophet ?
[15:56] <cypherdelic> ;D
[15:57] <cypherdelic> maybe, but most possible is that im familar with some astrology
[15:58] <Tomcat_> This is so offtopic and irrelevant, it's almost painful. :)
[15:58] <boris_> lol
[15:58] <boris_> lol
[15:58] <boris_> double lol
[15:58] <cypherdelic> triple
[15:59] <boris_> really ? lol
[16:00] <cypherdelic> have you ever wondered what a creator of a joke loves about when the joke is about himself?
[16:00] <cypherdelic> laughes
[16:01] <cypherdelic> iwystfu
[16:02] <bazhang> cypherdelic: why not join #ubuntu-offtopic?
[16:02] <cypherdelic> good idea im sry
[16:08] <boris_> well, theres no ontopic chat anyway
[17:23] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic
[17:23] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[18:00] <derekS> interesting problem, i have no title bars on any windows... anyone experience this?
[18:40]  * TuX_Claudiu .
[18:41] <bardyr> derekS, emerald crashed ?
[18:55] <derekS> bardyr: hmm, possibly, not sure ow to check that
[18:56] <derekS> bardyr: ps aux | grep emerald shows no results
[19:00] <derekS> bardyr: actually, can't be that, don't have emerald installed :)
[19:01] <bardyr> der0b, compiz then
[19:01] <derekS> probably, i was thinking that before... how do i restart it?
[21:20] <maximus> hello
[21:22] <LiMaO> maximus: activity in here is not always high ;)
[21:36] <maximus> thanks lima
[22:10] <zorglu_> !info mingw32
[22:10] <ubotu> mingw32: Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) compiler. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.4.5.20060117.1.dfsg-3 (hardy), package size 11428 kB, installed size 53656 kB
[22:11] <zorglu_> ok
[23:36] <ankka> hey, btw, is there a solution to ugly firefox fonts in hardy?
[23:39] <hydrogen> uninstalling firefox
[23:40] <ankka> second question is why are the fonts in firefox usually worse in ubuntu+1 than in stable?
[23:42] <scizzo-_> ankka: what do you mean?
[23:43] <ankka> scizzo-_: well, fonts in gutsy were nice and smooth in firefox, almost as good as in gnome, but now in hardy they're just really badly hinted even though gnome is as good as gutsy
[23:44] <scizzo-_> ankka: maybe build is strange for the firefox package...
[23:44] <ankka> scizzo-_: maybe.. I have no idea
[23:44] <scizzo-_> ankka: you are using hardy for testing only?
[23:44] <ankka> scizzo-_: I guess it's gecko since epiphayn looks just the same
[23:45] <scizzo-> ankka: might be
[23:53] <ankka> ahh.... it looks like gecko uses freesans and freeserif by default, which have no hinting in them and look ugly on an lcd