[00:04] <tuga3d> hi all.
[00:05] <evil_tech> hi
[00:05] <tuga3d> i've instaled some packages with checkinstall, but they are all instaled in the /usr/local how do i tell linux to search in that path for libraries, binaries, docs, etc.?
[00:06] <evil_tech> hmm
[00:06] <evil_tech> well linux has the equivalent of a path in windows
[00:06] <evil_tech> can't remember how to set it though
[00:07] <zoredache> are you sure /usr/local/bin isn't in your path already?
[00:07] <tuga3d> i've edited the .bashrc file but i don't see any path there :(
[00:07] <evil_tech> yeah that is a good point it should already be in there
[00:08] <zoredache> try using the command echo $PATH... on my system it is '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games'
[00:08] <tuga3d> /home/tuga3d/soft/3delight-7.0.0/Linux-i686/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[00:09] <tuga3d> i see that the binaries are there, but i also need the shared libraries :(
[00:09] <zoredache> see, you have /usr/local/bin
[00:09] <zoredache> why do you need libraries in your path?  that is pretty unusual.
[00:09] <zoredache> are you sure you don't need to fix the library path?
[00:10] <tuga3d> going to see.
[00:10] <tuga3d> i've compile and instaled the latest makehuman and when i try to run it gives me this error
[00:10] <tuga3d> makehuman: error while loading shared libraries: libmhgui.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:11] <tuga3d> yep, that librarie is in /usr/local/lib
[00:12] <zoredache> hrm... you may need to tweak the make file, or perhaps do something in /etc/ld.so.conf, or /etc/ld.so.conf.d
[00:12] <zoredache> I am not sure though...
[00:13] <tuga3d> thanks zoredache i'm going to have a look in the ld.so.conf
[00:13] <tuga3d> i'm going to google it first :) still learning
[00:14] <tuga3d> :( file only says to look for all the .conf files in /etc
[00:15] <tuga3d> is there a quick way to tell linux to use /usr/local as in /usr ?
[00:18] <tuga3d> i've read in the ubuntu foruns that is a policy from Debian
[00:18] <tuga3d> just have to add it to ld.so.conf
[00:18] <tuga3d> thanks zoredache :)
[00:32] <tuga3d> done, thanks guys. working now
[00:34] <soldats> its always nice to see people solve their problems
[00:34] <tuga3d> :)
[00:39] <tuga3d> bye, gotta go
[02:26] <neur1> hello what's the line to edit my grub menu.list?
[02:27] <patrickneville_> hey i jsut installed xubuntu 7.10, and when i try to click on a window, it becomes de-selected
[02:27] <patrickneville_> any ideas?
[02:27] <crimsun> neur1: sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:28] <neur1> o.k. i get command not found
[02:29] <crimsun> well, I presume $EDITOR has been set/exported correctly
[02:30] <neur1> dunno what's the stock xubuntu come with
[02:30] <soldats> nano
[02:30] <soldats> vim
[02:30] <soldats> pico? maybe
[02:31] <neur1> so sudo nano/  /boot/grub/menu.list?
[02:31] <|slvmchn|> mousepad
[02:31] <|slvmchn|> i think
[02:31] <soldats> yes ^^
[02:32] <|slvmchn|> anyone ever use emacs?
[02:32] <neur1> yes i have mousepad
[02:32] <soldats> no no
[02:32] <soldats> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:32] <neur1> o.k.
[02:32] <soldats> emacs has pong built into it
[02:33] <soldats> i hate emacs though
[02:33] <neur1> what if its blank
[02:34] <soldats> then your blind
[02:34] <soldats> sorry but i dont know it shouldnt b eblank
[02:34] <soldats> if you spelled it wrong maybe??????????
[02:34] <soldats> it woul dbe blanks
[02:34] <neur1> lol it opens to an editor but it doesn't list anything
[02:35] <soldats> did you spell correctly
[02:36] <neur1> gonna try again
[02:36] <patrickneville_> anyone know why/how to resolve windows being de-selected when y try to select them?
[02:39] <|slvmchn|> hmm patrickneville_
[02:39] <soldats> patrickneville_, it might have something to do with the focus settings so go to settings and then go to window manager tweaks and play around see if it helps
[02:39] <|slvmchn|> check your window manager settings
[02:39] <patrickneville_> thanks
[02:39] <|slvmchn|> there's options for it
[02:39] <|slvmchn|> like active window is where the mouse is
[02:39] <patrickneville_> ahh okay i see it, ill try
[02:39] <|slvmchn|> or if you need to click
[02:39] <|slvmchn|> that's a wierd problem though
[02:39] <patrickneville_> ive been using ubuntu but love xfce so i want it to work
[02:39] <patrickneville_> yeah its really odd
[02:42] <neur1> yes it open to a blank page
[02:42] <soldats> hmm thats strange
[02:44] <soldats> neur1, can you use thunar to browse for it
[02:45] <neur1> yes
[02:46] <neur1> try to open with mousepad, permission denied
[02:47] <soldats> neur1, or type su and become root, then do nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:47] <neur1> su nano . . .
[02:48] <soldats> no i mean type "su" by itself
[02:48] <soldats> then type root password
[02:48] <soldats> then do nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:49] <patrickneville_> its whenever i try to use xcompmgr or the xfce composite manager that it begins to mess up
[02:49] <neur1> authentication failure
[02:49] <soldats> neur1, do you know the roots passwor
[02:49] <soldats> d
[02:49] <soldats> ?
[02:49] <neur1> yes
[02:51] <neur1> same as my login password right
[02:51] <soldats> if you do "su" you either need the roots password or the password on which your logged in
[02:51] <soldats> i dont remember
[02:52] <neur1> didn't have me do a separate when i installed just asked for one to keep things safe
[02:53] <soldats> gksudo mousepad
[02:53] <soldats> then search for the file
[02:53] <soldats> i think the reason why it may be blank is because its owned by root
[02:54] <patrickneville_> any idea why a compositor would make my windows loose focus?
[02:55] <soldats> well im sure it had something to do with the focus settings in the compositor
[02:55] <soldats> but i have no clue why i never use that stuff
[02:55] <neur1> still blank but with a pink highlight warning
[02:56] <soldats> neur1, gee well i have no clue as to why its blank. id suggest maybe asking in #ubuntu why its blank, theres more people over there
[02:56] <neur1> weird huh
[02:58] <neur1> why can't the server kernel connect wirelessly?
[02:59] <soldats> http://pastebin.com/d6239cfd5 this is what mine says
[03:00] <soldats> most likely because its a server type kernal and wireless is slightly unstable
[03:00] <soldats> not suitable for a server
[03:01] <neur1> mine is the same but also lists a server kernel
[03:02] <neur1> thanks
[03:03] <soldats> np
[03:55] <R3B3LX>  wine is downloaded and i am trying to run tukanas hit generator using wine... when i download it it says error writing to the temporary location... how do i get it to work?
[03:56] <R3B3LX> if this is the wrong place please tell me the right room
[04:42] <Voyage__>  i dont care about the system........ i care about data. drives mounted......eg. a friend of mine, a virus can do any things what a user logged in can do.......for that  i want to increase security of my folders. i want any users to only be able to view its contents. a password should be asked every time if modifing or deleting...  how can do it?
[05:12] <soldats> you there
[05:12] <soldats> Voyage__,
[05:13] <Voyage__> ya
[05:16] <soldats> i do not know a way to make it so you need a password for each file but you can make folders have permissions and only the users who have permissions can access them
[05:27] <soldats> but also Voyage__ if you want to have a lot of private data consider using true crypt
[05:27] <soldats> google it
[05:36] <Voyage_> how can i do that?
[05:39] <Voyage_> soldats ?
[05:39] <soldats> google true-crypt for linux and it should tell you how to encrypt files so noone can see them or access them. if you change permissions do "man chmod" in a terminal
[05:40] <Voyage_> k
[05:41] <Voyage_> chmod is better
[05:41] <soldats> but if your really serious about hiding your stuff true-crypt is the best thing youll ever need
[05:57] <neur1> does anyone have dock apps they can recomend?
[05:57] <soldats> for what compiz xfce gnome
[06:00] <neur1> xfce
[06:00] <neur1> did you see geubuntu?
[06:01] <neur1> the dock it has on the bottom, a shelf?
[06:01] <soldats> wells you can google linux dock apps or you can try gkrellm, you can do sudo apt-get install gkrellm"
[06:01] <neur1> do you use that?
[06:01] <soldats> gkrellm is pretty cool, there are many skins or themes you can use
[06:01] <soldats> i used to use it
[06:02] <neur1> i have conky
[06:02] <soldats> i used it on fluxbox about a year ago
[06:02] <soldats> i havent used that
[06:04] <neur1> so we have a screen shot app?
[06:07] <soldats> you mean do i have a screenshot
[06:07] <neur1> a screenshot app in xubuntu
[06:09] <soldats> ohoh yea
[06:09] <soldats> should be in the applications menu
[06:09] <soldats> apps > accessories
[06:14] <neur1> yikes, can't find it
[06:14] <soldats> ok well right click on the top task bar and go to add new item and scroll down until you see screenshot
[06:14] <neur1> k
[06:15] <neur1> found it, thanks
[06:21] <corruptionoflulz> i just installed xubuntu, i have to say, i'm impressed with it.
[06:21] <soldats> good
[06:21] <soldats> i was too
[06:22] <corruptionoflulz> i've been running ubuntu on my lappy for a while.. got annoyed with how slow a fresh install of XP was on gf's olddd lappy
[06:22] <corruptionoflulz> so installed xubuntu, and am pleased with the results
[06:23] <soldats> yea i ran ubunty on my pice of a desktop and it got so damn slow but now im doing decent with this
[06:25] <belphegor> hi, can someone help me? i am trying to get my x server to see a font i've installed to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts.. they all show up in OO and other programs, but xfontsel doesn't pick it up and i need it to for my xscreensaver lock theme. anyone know what's up? thanks!
[06:25] <neur1> this (xfce) is better than gnome, to me
[06:25] <belphegor> xfce is much better than gnome
[06:25] <belphegor> :D
[06:25] <corruptionoflulz> neur1: it's all about finding what fits your needs best
[06:26] <neur1> i like the right click menu option
[06:27] <corruptionoflulz> i do too, except for some reason it's not bringing up the menus when i right click right now... on the install i just did
[06:27] <belphegor> the xscreensaver lock is looking for "-*-neuropol-*-r-*-*-*-80-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1" and i have neuropol installed, it just doesn't recognize it..
[06:27] <belphegor> any ideas?
[06:28] <soldats> corruptionoflulz, you may have to open the mouse setting and set it yourself sometimes it wont do it automagically
[06:29] <corruptionoflulz> ah, thanks
[06:29] <soldats> belphegor, there is a setting to say let xfce manage fonts if you turn it off it may work from what i hear
[06:29] <belphegor> Hmmm... any idea where?
[06:30] <belphegor> i patched xscreensaver with a non-ugly lock screen, and everything is perfect except for the font... on the site it explains "The default theme uses the Neuropol font. This is a free font available on all font sites, use Google to search for it. Download and add it to the X server font directory. If the font is unavailable, the theme will revert back to the default XScreenSaver fonts."
[06:31] <belphegor> which seemed pretty simple, but...
[06:31] <corruptionoflulz> the fun part is, i installed xubuntu in japanese (gf is japanese) so now i'm limited to reading some of it, and guessing the rest
[06:34] <soldats> belphegor, i have no clue where it is i saw it one but im not sure where to fix the font problem
[06:35] <soldats> corruptionoflulz, apps > settings > desktop and on the second tab click the add menu to right clikc
[06:36] <belphegor> hm i'll keep looking... i might have to set up an x font server
[06:36] <corruptionoflulz> ah, thanks, got it.
[06:37] <belphegor> i used to like gnome... then i started to like fluxbox a lot... then i found xfce, a perfect balance of what i liked about both of them
[06:38] <soldats> yea i usually choose enlightenment but im felling lazy these day
[06:39] <belphegor> i tried to mess with it, but there's just too much to change about it... xfce is great for me, especially with compositing
[06:39] <belphegor> i run it with compiz, and the way the xfce panels are i can have a perfectly open desktop
[06:39] <soldats> i wish i had a window manager that booted to cli only but had miltiple graphic windowed support so i could still use firefox to watch vids, in reallity firefox is the only thing i really need for gui and i only use it to watch videos
[06:39] <belphegor> way more open than fluxbox
[06:40] <belphegor> haha, yeah... i'm pretty sure i could survive with Cubuntu just fine, :D
[06:41] <belphegor> but, nothin is more fun then full-blown compiz fusion+xfce
[06:41] <soldats> bah i agree it looks awesome and its fun to show off but i prefer CLI
[06:41] <soldats> noone ever wants to use my comp if i boot to cli only
[06:42] <belphegor> got a crazy x server setup... a 1920x1200 display with a 1024x768 CRT sitting on its shoulder (only way it would fit in here), so the server comes out to 2699x1968. hehe
[06:43] <soldats> crazy
[06:43] <soldats> sounds rad though
[06:43] <belphegor> a lot of deadzones, but it's awesome to see the mouse go from one monitor to the next nearly seamlessly
[06:43] <belphegor> or, two nearly-monitor-sized deadzones
[06:44] <belphegor> haha
[06:44] <neur1> does compiz need certain plugins and or apps to adjust it
[06:44] <soldats> yes
[06:44] <belphegor> yeah. but it comes with it if you use synaptic
[06:45] <belphegor> pretty sure the plugins are dependencies
[06:45] <belphegor> without the plugins, you couldn't move your windows or do much of anything with it running
[06:45] <neur1> my card had a hard time with ubuntu default tho
[06:46] <belphegor> hm, what kinda card do you have?
[06:46] <corruptionoflulz> i think canonical made a mistake by having compiz on by default.
[06:46] <belphegor> no they didn't! not for me  :D   runs perfectly out of the box
[06:46] <neur1> intell 945?
[06:46] <corruptionoflulz> belphegor: just because it works for you doesn't mean it's working for the tons of people who have problems with it.
[06:47] <belphegor> yeah i realize that, it was a lighthearted comment..
[06:47] <neur1> i like what did work tho . . .
[06:47] <belphegor> that's what xubuntu and the lighterweight alternatives are there for
[06:47] <corruptionoflulz> well it's just that they knew compiz was still unstable, yet enabled it by default
[06:48] <belphegor> yeah enabling by default was kinda crappy, i agree
[06:48] <neur1> lol
[06:48] <belphegor> in fact, i couldn't use it as my usb linux w/persistence because if i booted onto another computer, it would break instantly
[06:48] <belphegor> because of compiz
[06:49] <belphegor> any compositor would do that
[06:49] <belphegor> even the xfce one
[06:49] <belphegor> but leaving it off kept it stable as a rock
[06:49] <neur1> just sqeeking by with the xfce one
[06:50] <belphegor> any idea what your video ram is, neur1?
[06:51] <belphegor> er, what kinda processor and ram, while you're at it? just curious
[06:53] <neur1> umm nope
[06:53] <belphegor> hehe, ok
[06:53] <neur1> dual core
[06:53] <neur1> 2gb ram
[06:53] <belphegor> well, there are some settings and processors you can disable or change to make it run better
[06:53] <belphegor> ah you should run compiz like a champ
[06:54] <belphegor> is it a laptop?
[06:54] <neur1> i think its just the card, lappy
[06:54] <belphegor> settings and plugins***
[06:54] <belphegor> long day
[06:54] <belphegor> is it an HP?
[06:54] <neur1> yes
[06:54] <belphegor> a DV6000?
[06:55] <neur1> yup
[06:55] <belphegor> man you can run that just fine!
[06:55] <belphegor> hehe
[06:55] <belphegor> a friend of mine has the same dang thing and complained about his awful intel vid card, but his compiz runs perfectly... what didn't work for ya?
[06:56] <neur1> it works but comes and goes too somtimes
[06:56] <neur1> not stable
[06:56] <belphegor> what do you mean by comes and goes?
[06:56] <belphegor> hm
[06:56] <belphegor> xubuntu, right?
[06:57] <belphegor> you might need to enable glx or whatever... my nvidia driver takes care of a lot of stuff for me, i need to ask my friend what he did to get compiz to work right with his card
[06:57] <neur1> yes xubuntu is fine, i meant the default in ubuntu (plus extras)
[06:57] <belphegor> since you guys have the same exact setup
[06:58] <belphegor> well, gnome is a bit more resource-intensive... but he was able to run it fine with KDE, which is even more of a resource hog
[06:59] <belphegor> it's probably your glx and 3d acceleration setup.. if it's poor performance
[06:59] <belphegor> by "not stable" what do you mean, specifically? it crashes completely? goes slow?
[07:00] <neur1> stalls (freezes) or is glitchy
[07:01] <neur1> i'm pretty happy with xubuntu
[07:01] <belphegor> have you tried it with xfce? it works great in xfce as well, most likely it'll run better
[07:01] <neur1> no that's what i was wondering
[07:02] <belphegor> yeah it works great in xfce
[07:02] <neur1> what plugins and apps are needed besides compiz
[07:02] <Twinkletoes> I've just installed xrdp but when I connect from a Microsoft RDP client, there is quite a delay for mouse movement, like the xrdp-vnc connection is struggling.  I tried to select xrdp-rdp instead, but it just says "error connecting, some problem".  Any ideas?
[07:02] <neur1> the list is scary to decipher
[07:03] <belphegor> just type this in a terminal "sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager emerald"
[07:03] <belphegor> and your pw, and it'll get all the dependencies you need
[07:03] <neur1> that would be enough?
[07:04] <belphegor> yep, it will need more dependencies so i'll grab plugins and whatnot
[07:04] <belphegor> it'll*
[07:05] <belphegor> try it and see... then you will need to add compiz to your Autostarted Applications
[07:05] <neur1> o.k. it's workig (downloading
[07:05] <neur1> )
[07:05] <belphegor> but it'll take some time to DL and install
[07:05] <belphegor> :D
[07:06] <belphegor> let me know when it's done
[07:06] <neur1> i can always do a fresh install if i go haywire lol
[07:07] <belphegor> yeah i did that too when i first started... you'll learn a lot
[07:08] <neur1> Setting up compiz (1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1.1) ...Processing triggers for libc6 ...ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[07:08] <belphegor> yeah it'll finish, you'll know when it's done
[07:09] <neur1> thats it . . . now i gotta conf and find it
[07:09] <belphegor> finished?
[07:09] <neur1> yup
[07:09] <belphegor> go to Settings > Autostarted Applications
[07:09] <belphegor> then Add
[07:10] <belphegor> you can put Compiz-Fusion or whatever for Name and Description
[07:10] <|slvmchn|> for the dual core onboard intel machine, that's pretty much hwat my laptop is, how did compiz run?
[07:10] <belphegor> but for Command you need "compiz --replace&"
[07:10] <belphegor> then, ok
[07:10] <|slvmchn|> and additionally when you launch another 3d app is that gonna run slower
[07:10] <belphegor> compiz runs amazingly well on low resources sometimes... depends on how your plugins are set
[07:11] <belphegor> and your vid card
[07:11] <belphegor> ... and your ram.. and everything else
[07:11] <belphegor> got that neur1?
[07:12] <|slvmchn|> cool, i'll have to give it a shot
[07:12] <neur1> whats the name i enter?
[07:12] <|slvmchn|> can you run compiz over any window manager?
[07:12] <|slvmchn|> or just gnome/xfce/kde
[07:12] <belphegor> mainly just those AFAIK
[07:12] <|slvmchn|> will it work on fluxbox, blackbox, any of those
[07:13] <|slvmchn|> yeah i figured as much
[07:13] <belphegor> compiz IS the window manager
[07:13] <|slvmchn|> oh really?
[07:13] <belphegor> neur1, you can put whatever you want
[07:13] <|slvmchn|> i thought it ran on top of window managers
[07:13] <belphegor> for name and description
[07:13] <belphegor> nope, it takes over them... Gnome isn't a window manager, but Metacity is gnomes WM
[07:14] <belphegor> and Fluxbox IS a WM, unlike Gnome, so that's why compiz won't work with it
[07:14] <neur1> so log out? then see . . .
[07:14] <belphegor> wait hold on neur1
[07:14] <neur1> k
[07:14] <belphegor> go turn off your compositor for safe measure
[07:14] <belphegor> because you won't use that one anymore
[07:15] <neur1> oh yea . . .
[07:15] <belphegor> Settings > Window Manager Tweaks
[07:15] <neur1> got it
[07:15] <belphegor> yeah log out and log in... if it runs slow you might have to tweak it to get it to run smooth
[07:16] <neur1> be back
[07:16] <belphegor> alright
[07:18] <corruptionoflulz> gstreamer vs. xine, why use one over the other?
[07:19] <belphegor> preference?
[07:19] <belphegor> hehe
[07:28] <neur1> i'm back, i have no window decorations
[07:29] <belphegor> hehe, okay, open up Settings > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[07:29] <belphegor> go to where it says Window Decorations
[07:30] <neur1> then
[07:30] <belphegor> see where it says Command?
[07:30] <neur1> o.k.
[07:30] <belphegor> add "emerald --replace"
[07:30] <belphegor> no quotes
[07:31] <belphegor> you can log out then back in, or open a terminal and type "sudo killall compiz" then "compiz --replace&" on the next line to restart compiz
[07:33] <belphegor> make sure that the Window Decoration plugin is on, of course
[07:33] <neur1> hmm can't find the command box
[07:34] <belphegor> click on Window Decoration
[07:34] <belphegor> it'll take you to a plugin options menu
[07:34] <belphegor> 4th from the bottom
[07:35] <belphegor> find it?
[07:35] <neur1> yes window decoration
[07:36] <belphegor> yeah click on the picture or whatever
[07:36] <neur1> k
[07:36] <belphegor> and it will open up options to it
[07:36] <neur1> k
[07:37] <belphegor> and type "emerald --replace&" without the quotations
[07:37] <belphegor> where Command is
[07:37] <neur1> ok
[07:37] <neur1> emerald --replace
[07:38] <belphegor> yeah or with an & symbol at the end if you want
[07:38] <belphegor> you can close the entire window now
[07:38] <belphegor> open up a terminal... and type "sudo killall compiz"
[07:39] <belphegor> enter your pw, then type "compiz --replace&"
[07:39] <belphegor> with the & symbol for sure this time
[07:39] <corruptionoflulz> so in gnome, i just hit go -> network to get to my shares, but in xfce i can't seem to find anything like that
[07:40] <belphegor> System > Shared Folders
[07:40] <belphegor> dunno if that'll help
[07:40] <corruptionoflulz> i suppose it doesn't help that i'm using it in japanese, lol
[07:41] <belphegor> hehe i was thinking that earlier
[07:41] <corruptionoflulz> i can read a fair amount, but not enough
[07:41] <belphegor> how's it goin neur1?
[07:42] <neur1> can't input into term it's salled
[07:42] <neur1> stalled
[07:42] <belphegor> ok, just log out then back in
[07:43] <belphegor> easiest way to do it
[07:43] <belphegor> haha
[07:43] <neur1> k
[07:46] <corruptionoflulz> hrmm, still can't figure out how to access shares
[07:47] <corruptionoflulz> trying to type them in manually doesn't allow me to do it either...
[07:48] <belphegor> corruptionoflulz, try this in terminal "sudo shares-admin"
[07:50] <corruptionoflulz> ah, thanks
[07:50] <belphegor> np
[07:51] <corruptionoflulz> 4eeeeeeeee```````ZA
[07:51] <corruptionoflulz> thanks cat.
[08:00] <neur1> yikes  . . . doesn't work
[08:01] <bigal> do hsf's usually have a thermal pad between them
[08:07] <belphegor> ah i didn't see neur1 had come back.. wonder if it worked
[09:26] <neur1> hello
[09:28] <thyrax_afk> hello
[09:31] <neur1> do you know any good dock apps?
[09:35] <corruptionoflulz> alltray
[09:36] <corruptionoflulz> i assume it'd work in xfce, haven't tried though
[10:56] <neur1> so anyone got any good apps they can't do without?
[11:58] <Proteus> Anyone awake?
[11:59] <Twinkletoes> Yeah
[11:59] <Proteus> I wanted to try out ubuntu, so I installed ubuntu-desktop and logged in. Didn't like it (to heavyweight for my system), but now that I'm back in xubuntu it's still using nautilus for everything. Which is slow as all fuck and takes up a ton of memory
[12:00] <Proteus> I had been using dolphin and thunar until now
[12:00] <Proteus> I need to figure out how to change the default file manager
[12:01] <Proteus> since waiting a minute and a half just to open a 'save as' window is really getting on my nerves
[12:18] <Catoptromancy> Proteus, try removing nautilus?
[12:27] <Proteus> will do
[12:49] <neur1> anyone try geubuntu desktop?
[12:50] <neur1> hey thegeeker
[12:55] <thegeeker> good morning
[12:55] <march> good morning :)
[12:56] <neur1> morning, you guys ever try the geubuntu desktop?
[12:57] <neur1> enlightenment
[12:57] <thegeeker> I tried enlightenment. I felt frustratamented by it.
[12:58] <thegeeker> But I am old and inflexible
[12:58] <neur1> can't get the panel to change color
[13:04] <thegeeker> neur1: I just tried this one and it worked: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2861713#post2861713
[13:05] <thegeeker> neur1: You will have to kill and restart xfce4-panel for it to take effect
[13:05] <thegeeker> neur1: Or logout and back in to xfce
[13:05] <neur1> k
[13:13] <thegeeker> neur1: any luck?
[13:13] <gerro> merry christmas!
[13:13]  * gerro finally got his eggnog :)
[13:16] <neur1> so I put it in my home folder?
[13:16] <gerro> hmm anyone know this video card is? "SiS Mirage 1" think its made by intel heard someone refering to it as UMA. I was checking it out because think it has a coax connector so I can plug it into my tv or something
[13:17] <gerro> neur1: no you drink the eggnog :P
[13:19] <thegeeker> neur1: yes
[13:19] <neur1> k be back
[13:19] <thegeeker> neur1: you don't have to leave to do it
[13:20] <neur1> don't have to logout
[13:20] <thegeeker> neur1: no, just kill the xfce4-panel process and then run xfce4-panel &
[13:21] <thegeeker> neur1: open a terminal and i'll walk you through it
[13:21] <neur1> k i gotta rename the file
[13:22] <thegeeker> neur1: did you uncomment the section for changing the panel color?
[13:22] <gerro> he doing a .gtkrc-2.0 file?
[13:22] <thegeeker> yes
[13:23] <thegeeker> gerro: according to this post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2861713#post2861713
[13:23] <gerro> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48200/ that's one I have
[13:23] <neur1> what do i have to uncomment
[13:24] <thegeeker> gerro: he is changing the panel color
[13:24] <gerro> yep its same post I read too
[13:24] <gerro> sounds fun how you do that?
[13:25] <thegeeker> neur1: you need to remove the # from before some lines below the section "xfce panel colors"
[13:27] <gerro> kk brb
[13:27] <gerro> neur1: if its jibbery its a command and if # is there it isn't doing its thing
[13:27] <thegeeker> neur1: i will make a pastebin for you to copy and paste
[13:28] <neur1> o.k.
[13:29] <thegeeker> neur1: Make your .gtkrc-2.0 file contain this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48201/
[13:29] <gerro> looks kind of funky.. menu color is same and mixer icon is same color as panel
[13:30] <thegeeker> gerro: yeah, i don't think it looks good either
[13:30] <gerro> perhaps a darker color..
[13:31] <thegeeker> neur1: notice which parts I removed the # from, those are the important lines
[13:32] <neur1> can i just use that one?
[13:32] <thegeeker> neur1: yes, but it is a bright blue color
[13:32] <gerro> think it has two panel colors
[13:33] <thegeeker> neur1: you can change the color code on the bg[NORMAL] =  line to whatever you want
[13:33] <gerro> I'm using the blue one with this added to config file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48203/
[13:33] <thegeeker> gerro: in my pastebin i removed one of the colors
[13:33] <gerro> neur1: if you go to change the text of terminal it lists the hex codes for different colors so its easy to pick what you like best
[13:33] <thegeeker> I think the colors are just standard RRGGBB
[13:34] <neur1> so like C7C7C7
[13:34] <gerro> ohh that's good to know
[13:34] <thegeeker> neur1: "#C7C7C7" would work
[13:34] <gerro> isn't that the default panel color??
[13:35] <thegeeker> heh, i don't know
[13:35] <gerro> man such overkill just to change a few pixel shades lol
[13:35] <neur1> it's white right now
[13:35] <gerro> dude that's grey..
[13:36] <thegeeker> he may be using a different theme
[13:36] <neur1> um what i have stock is white
[13:36] <gerro> thought he meant C7C7C7
[13:36] <neur1> oh
[13:37] <neur1> o.k. it's in
[13:38] <thegeeker> neur1: now at the bash prompt you need to find the xfce4-panel process
[13:38] <thegeeker> ps aux | grep xfce4-panel
[13:39] <thegeeker> the number after your login name is the process id
[13:39] <thegeeker> it is 17575 on my computer, but it could be anything on yours
[13:40] <thegeeker> so to kill that process, you do
[13:40] <thegeeker> kill 17575
[13:42] <thegeeker> neur1: Got that yet?
[13:43] <neur1> can my number be 27092 11676?
[13:43] <thegeeker> neur1: i think you're looking too far
[13:43] <thegeeker> neur1: it should be the number right after your name, the second column
[13:44] <neur1> there to lines
[13:44] <neur1> two
[13:44] <thegeeker> neur1: the first line
[13:44] <neur1> k
[13:44] <thegeeker> neur1: so it is probably 27092
[13:44] <neur1> o.k. it's gone
[13:44] <thegeeker> neur1: your panels are gone?
[13:45] <neur1> yup
[13:45] <thegeeker> excellent
[13:45] <thegeeker> now you need to restart the panel process with this:
[13:45] <thegeeker> xfce4-panel &
[13:45] <thegeeker> they should come back up, but with the new color
[13:45] <neur1> k
[13:47] <neur1> cool
[13:48] <neur1> thank you
[13:48] <thegeeker> you're welcome
[13:48] <thegeeker> so to change that color, just change the color code in .gtkrc-2.0 then kill and restart the panel
[13:48] <neur1> so now i just tweek the colors
[13:49] <neur1> o.k.
[13:49] <thegeeker> the panel process number will change each time, so you have to get the new number with the ps aux command
[13:50] <neur1> o.k.
[13:52] <gerro> my panel looks so sexy now ^^
[13:53] <thegeeker> what color did you use?
[13:54] <gerro> 0078B4
[13:55] <thegeeker> nice
[13:55] <gerro> oh and xfce4-panel --s by default can't quite read the rest think it has specific options when started normally
[13:56] <gerro> neur1: killall xfce4-panel works too
[13:56] <neur1> o.k.
[13:57] <gerro> but sort of kills all them I mean if you want to just test one out
[13:57] <gerro> I know some people like to go dual monitor and have different desktop themes so good to know
[13:59] <neur1> thanks again thegeeker
[13:59] <thegeeker> np, i learned something too
[14:00] <gerro> apparently if your on pidgin and have no panel then exiting means you go offline
[14:00] <thegeeker> gerro: hehe
[14:00] <gerro> anyone know of a way to switch users yet have the current one stay logged in?
[14:03] <gerro> I guess I would like have to start gdm on a separate tty and sort of cache the other user processes to disk
[14:05]  * gerro has waaay too many icons and bookmarks
[14:27] <gerro> neur1: welcome back
[14:28] <neur1> lol logged out got bumped
[14:29] <neur1> how do you guys post/stuff in html
[14:30] <neur1> is it a site
[14:30] <thegeeker> Check out the pastebin link in this channel's topic
[14:30] <thegeeker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[14:32] <neur1> o.k. so you input stuff then paste the url to share
[14:33] <thegeeker> right
[14:34] <thegeeker> you can actually collaborate with it too, change what was posted
[14:34] <Shirowtaku> hello! can someone help me?
[14:34] <neur1> nice, that's what they mean in ubuntu, instead of pasteing in here
[14:34] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, maybe if you ask a more specific question
[14:35] <thegeeker> neur1, right
[14:35] <Shirowtaku> ijust installed xubuntu. now i wanted to drop an application button to the panel. it doesnt work like in gnome. is it possible?
[14:36] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, I think you have to create the launch button. I don't know of a way to drag and drop one
[14:36] <neur1> what app?
[14:36] <Shirowtaku> thunderbird for example
[14:36] <Shirowtaku> in ubuntu you can choose "add to panel" in xubuntu i can't
[14:37] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, I was also surprised by that, but once you learn to make a launcher it's not too bad
[14:37] <neur1> right click, add new item , launcher
[14:39] <neur1> me too
[14:39] <Shirowtaku> but than i just add an launcher for network apps, for example. not for just one specific application
[14:39] <thegeeker> Add the first item in the list, called "Launcher"
[14:40] <thegeeker> That creates an empty button where you fill in the name, command, and icon
[14:40] <neur1> it's configurable for any app
[14:40] <Shirowtaku> where can i find the command for the apps?
[14:41] <neur1> just input thunderbird for thunderbird
[14:41] <neur1> like using the prompt
[14:41] <thegeeker> The best place I found was in Applications->Settings->Main Menu, then right-click->properties on the program you are trying to make
[14:44] <Shirowtaku> hm, just typing thunderbird doenst work
[14:44] <Shirowtaku> it cant be found
[14:44] <thegeeker> do you have it installed?
[14:44] <Shirowtaku> yes
[14:45] <neur1> spell it correct?
[14:45] <Shirowtaku> one moment
[14:45] <thegeeker> thunderbird needs to be on the Command: line, not the icon line
[14:46] <thegeeker> I made that mistake a couple of times
[14:46] <neur1> me too
[14:47] <thegeeker> seems like an unintuitive order of entry there
[14:49] <Shirowtaku> i'm just uploading an screenshot
[14:50] <Twinkletoes> Does anyone here use xrdp?  The X11rdp binary isn't compiled and I need it (instead of x11vnc)
[14:50] <thegeeker> Twinkletoes, sorry, i always use NX
[14:51] <Twinkletoes> thegeeker: I would love to use NX but AFAIK it requires an NX client, where I just want to reply on Mircrosoft Remote Desktop
[14:51] <Twinkletoes> thegeeker: s/reply/rely/
[14:51] <Shirowtaku> http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1oe8.png
[14:51] <Shirowtaku> that's how i tried it
[14:52] <thegeeker> Twinkletoes, there is a no-cost NX client available at http://nomachine.com/
[14:52] <Twinkletoes> thegeeker: The thin-clients I will be using don't have an NX client, they default to useing ICA/RDP
[14:52] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, the command is case-sensitive, do not capitalize thunderbird
[14:52] <Shirowtaku> i'm from germany by the way. guess you see it on the screenshot
[14:53] <Shirowtaku> what do you mean with capitalize?
[14:53] <neur1> thunderbird
[14:53] <thegeeker> You have "Thunderbird", it should be "thunderbird"
[14:53] <Shirowtaku> i'll try it
[14:53] <thegeeker> Twinkletoes, ah, thin clients
[14:54] <thegeeker> Twinkletoes, wish i could help you
[14:54] <Shirowtaku> ok, it works. thanks!
[14:54] <Twinkletoes> thegeeker: You helped me the other day :)
[14:54] <Shirowtaku> and that works with any application?
[14:54] <neur1> should
[14:54] <Shirowtaku> why do you guys use xubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[14:54] <Twinkletoes> thegeeker: xrdp would work, except that because it uses a vnc connection, the mouse lags
[14:54] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, you can make a launcher for any application that way if you can find the right command
[14:55] <Shirowtaku> ok
[14:55] <neur1> xubuntu yes
[14:55] <thegeeker> Twinkletoes, yeah, that's why i stay away from vnc and rdp if i can
[14:55] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, on my system, xubuntu uses about 100-150MB less RAM than Ubuntu running the same apps
[14:56] <neur1> gnome is a eater
[14:56] <Shirowtaku> it just runs faster? is it more costumiseable?
[14:57] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, I use it because it uses less RAM and runs a bit faster than Gnome. It is almost as customizable, but those customizations are not as simple as in Gnome
[14:58] <neur1> made mine look like fluxbox
[14:58] <thegeeker> neur1, fluxbox is actually pretty easy to install in ubuntu
[14:59] <neur1> yea but i like xfce a little more
[14:59] <Shirowtaku> there's even a distri called fluxubuntu. the easiest way, i guess
[14:59] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, i think it is still stuck in Dapper
[15:00] <Shirowtaku> yes, it is, afaik
[15:01] <neur1> tried the new fluxbox too light, gotta put too much stuff in
[15:02] <neur1> fkuxbuntu
[15:02] <neur1> opps
[15:02] <thegeeker> I agree. I think Xubuntu strikes the right balance between resource-usage and usability for me
[15:02] <Shirowtaku> does anyone else use apple hardware?
[15:05] <Shirowtaku> ?
[15:06]  * thegeeker hears crickets chirping
[15:06] <neur1> mac? nope just hp
[15:06] <neur1> intel
[15:07] <Shirowtaku> which audio player do you use? amarok is good, but doenst really fit in xubuntu, does it?
[15:07] <thegeeker> Shirowtaku, amarok works fine for me
[15:08] <neur1> thegeeker you try puppy?
[15:08] <thegeeker> neur1, i have tried puppy. it was impressive but not what I need from my system
[15:09] <neur1> i use it in am old ibm
[15:09] <neur1> an
[15:10] <pappanz> neur1: may i know the hardware specs of that ibm pc?
[15:10] <neur1> it's the stock 600e
[15:11] <thegeeker> I ran Puppy from a USB flash drive on an old Gateway laptop: 64MB RAM and P-133 CPU, no hard disk
[15:12] <neur1> 96mhz 288 ram pII
[15:12] <thegeeker> 96?
[15:13] <neur1> i know, that's what is listed in xproc
[15:13] <thegeeker> I think P2 was 233MHz - 667MHz
[15:14] <neur1> see that's what i thought too
[15:14] <thegeeker> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:600E
[15:16] <neur1> that's the one
[15:16] <thegeeker> Throw 128MB in that and it would be a decent Xubuntu machine for web browsing and such
[15:17] <neur1> gotta change the resolution from 24 to 16 or something
[15:18] <neur1> or bit rate?
[15:19] <neur1> puppy comes with xfce too
[15:20] <neur1> firefox 11
[15:20] <neur1> but you run as root
[15:22] <neur1> http://dragon-puppy.uvadi.cz/viewpage.php?page_id=2
[15:29] <neur1> thanks again see you later
[16:58] <Voyage_>  the icon of firestarter turns red when an unauthorised access try is made and if it is visible in the tray always. i can observe that.      and any way. why does it disappears. how can i make sure it doest ?
[16:59] <vinze> Voyage_, you mean it suddenly disappears after you started it or just that it doesn't appear when you login?
[17:00] <Voyage_> mean it suddenly disappears after you started it
[17:00] <vinze> That sounds like a bug to me
[17:00] <Voyage_> 5 or 10 mins after . usually
[17:00] <Voyage_> and it does appears at login.  (i read the faqs on the site) (but at login. it requires password from me everytime)
[17:04] <vinze> Voyage_, there are a few similar bugreports:
[17:04] <vinze>  the icon of firestarter turns red when an unauthorised access try is made and if it is visible in the tray always. i can observe that.      and any way. why does it disappears. how can i make sure it doest ?
[17:04] <vinze> Woops, sorry
[17:04] <vinze> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firestarter/+bug/158053
[17:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158053 in firestarter "Firestarter GUI crashing repeatedly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:04] <vinze> https://bugs.launchpad.net/firestarter/+bug/120445
[17:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120445 in firestarter "Firestarter firewall continuously crashes no matter which desktop or screen it's on." [Medium,Triaged]
[17:04] <vinze> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firestarter/+bug/174249
[17:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174249 in firestarter "firestarter closing unexpectantly" [Undecided,New]
[17:11] <Voyage_> is there a way to make sure that a specific app is running all the time. and making it run when its not running. ?
[17:12] <Voyage_> is there a way to make sure that a specific app is running all the time. and making it run when its not running in the sys tray?
[18:23] <march> cu
[20:56] <Midgetnator> hello guys.. I have xubuntu but it seems my hd has some bad sectors... is it ok to start the puppy linux live cd and try to e2fsck -c /dev/hda1 .... will it mark all the bad sectors i have on the harddrive and it wont damage my files?
[20:58] <Midgetnator> ??????
[20:59] <Midgetnator> joinh #linuxhelp
[21:01] <Pumpernickel> Midgetnator: It's as you say.
[21:04] <Midgetnator> thank you very much pumpernickel
[21:34] <elfodomestico> hello, im installing 7.10 and i configure network ok but installer wont do it!
[21:34] <elfodomestico> cant reach that machine!
[21:35] <elfodomestico> so it stucks in analyzing the repo (or something, i installed it in spanish)
[21:35] <elfodomestico> any known issues with 7.10 inst and networking?
[21:36] <thegeeker> you get a valid ip address?
[21:37] <elfodomestico> it is behind a router
[21:37] <elfodomestico> and without dhcp
[21:37] <thegeeker> you can visit google and such?
[21:37] <elfodomestico> no, the machine is unreachable
[21:37] <thegeeker> so you are using a manual network config?
[21:37] <elfodomestico> yes
[21:37] <elfodomestico> well, i will install without net...
[21:37] <elfodomestico> then i configure
[21:39] <thegeeker> You should be able to set it up in Applications->System->Network
[21:39] <elfodomestico> i can do it manually thxs, bye
[21:40] <thegeeker> That seemed productive
[22:03] <neur1> hello, does xubuntu need Nautilus file manager for the GNOME desktop?
[22:04] <somerville32> neur1, pardon?
[22:04] <somerville32> neur1, Xubuntu doesn't include the Gnome desktop
[22:04] <evil_tech> xubuntu uses Thunar for file management
[22:05] <BigOnion> Hi, is 256 M of RAM enough for Xubuntu and OpenOffice?
[22:05] <neur1> o.k. , i installed a geubuntu desktop and i got alot of extra stuff installed. so i'm taking stuff out
[22:05] <somerville32> BigOnion, for sure
[22:06] <evil_tech> BigOnion: yes
[22:06] <BigOnion> ok thanks somerville32/evil_tech
[22:06] <BigOnion> its just that i heard that OpenOffice loves eating mmory
[22:07] <BigOnion> memory
[22:25] <sparr_w> xubuntu on a p2-266 with 64MB of RAM, feasible?
[22:28] <evil_tech> yes and no
[22:28] <evil_tech> 128mb ram would be better
[22:29] <evil_tech> but fluxbuntu or DSL would probably be a better choice
[22:29] <sparr_w> fluxbuntu, didnt know about that, thanks
[22:29] <sparr_w> ive got a whopping 6GB of hard drive to work with  :)
[22:30] <evil_tech> thats enough
[22:30] <evil_tech> ive installed xubuntu on that but i had 128 mb ram
[22:32] <sparr_w> fluxbuntu doesnt ship with firefox...  easy enough to fix that i guess
[22:32] <sparr_w> but im well versed in *ubuntu, maybe i should try DSL just for the experience
[22:47] <_stranger_> guys, can U advise me an application, like an equaliser, to use in xfce?
[22:47] <somerville32> _stranger_, Just open up applications > system > add/remove and search :)
[23:47] <soldats> bah
[23:52]  * soldats im bored
[23:53] <TheSheep> soldats: triage some bugs
[23:54] <somerville32> :)
[23:55] <soldats> lol
[23:56] <soldats> i run a low level system so i havent really had any bugs, i had a very clean install and nothing has really gone wrong with it so far
[23:57] <TheSheep> soldats: go to bugs.ubuntu.com, look for some bugs and see if you also have them. Look for bugs reported in previous versions of ubuntu and see if they are still in there.
[23:58] <TheSheep> soldats: look for duplicate bugs and mark them as such
[23:58] <soldats> ahh ill check, im pretty much bored right now since i have band practice in a bit and i usually try to sit on #ubuntu and try to help people when they need it
[23:58] <TheSheep> soldats: you can also try and translate some software at rosetta
[23:59] <TheSheep> the power of boredom is immense
[23:59] <soldats> yes