[00:00] <daskreech> mhb: we have gnome apps in kubuntu?
[00:00] <daskreech> For everythign?
[00:00] <txwikinger> all DEs would be far more lightweight if the memory leaks would be finally fixed :D
[00:00] <mhb> I am currently testing slim desktop manager and openbox.
[00:01] <mhb> unfortunately, even if say the slim dm was better than kdm, we have to stick with what our upstream produces.
[00:01] <daskreech> mhb: I think you want jeos
[00:01] <cheguevara> mmm 101 tabs in firefox
[00:01]  * txwikinger thinks peeps don't know slim nowadays anymore
[00:02] <daskreech> mmmm .101% of memory free
[00:02] <nixternal> what is the slim desktop manager?
[00:02]  * txwikinger remembers computers with less than 4k RAM
[00:02] <mhb> I think I want a distro that is able to switch to different apps based on their quality, not the fact that it is written in one or the other toolkit.
[00:03] <apachelogger> use suse
[00:03] <apachelogger> ships with all sort of kde, gnome and mono stuff
[00:03] <cheguevara> suse uses gtk apps on a kde install?
[00:03] <daskreech> Debian?
[00:03] <cheguevara> like which ones
[00:03] <mhb> I don't think so.
[00:03] <nixternal> not the openSUSE I have..it is all KDE
[00:03] <daskreech> gentoo ^_^
[00:03] <nixternal> except for the stupid firefox
[00:03] <mhb> daskreech: Debian just ships everything, it's not a distro to me, it's a package repository.
[00:04] <cheguevara> mmmm gentoo
[00:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: update manager?
[00:04] <apachelogger> firefox?
[00:04] <apachelogger> ooo?
[00:04] <apachelogger> beagle?
[00:04] <nixternal> ya, oo.o, but I remove that first
[00:04] <daskreech> mhb: Whats the problem with that?
[00:04] <nixternal> 10.3 doesn't have beagle
[00:04] <apachelogger> ok
[00:04]  * daskreech is trying to see the adept updater in KDE4
[00:04] <cheguevara> meh u can't compare koffice to ooo
[00:04] <apachelogger> daskreech: it may die die die!
[00:04] <nixternal> you can't compare any office suite to MS Office
[00:04] <daskreech> apachelogger: Ooooh tell me more
[00:05] <apachelogger> ;-)
[00:05] <apachelogger> nah
[00:05] <apachelogger> well
[00:05] <mhb> daskreech: Debian is really a frigid distribution, with too little steering and too much diverse community.
[00:05]  * daskreech compares Gnome Office to MSO
[00:05] <apachelogger> daskreech: you will have to start it
[00:05] <daskreech> mhb: Frigid?
[00:05] <apachelogger> the problem is, update manager is not in kde4's autostart
[00:05] <mhb> daskreech: rigid.
[00:05] <daskreech> it has insane churn
[00:05] <mhb> daskreech: my bad.
[00:05] <cheguevara> i use ubuntu's update-manager, adept's update manager just sux0rs
[00:05] <nixternal> I use apt-get update
[00:06] <cheguevara> i like to see changelogs :P
[00:06] <daskreech> apachelogger: oh no I don't mean getting it there I mean it's going to look horribly out of place in this shiny taskbar
[00:06] <nixternal> changelogs.ubuntu.com
[00:06] <cheguevara> yeah but why do it if you can see it all in one window
[00:06] <nixternal> nobody correctly fills out a changelog to make much sense anyways
[00:06] <daskreech> cheguevara: I have changelogs...
[00:07] <apachelogger> daskreech: oh well, I hope adept will get replaced with something
[00:07] <apachelogger> faster
[00:07] <apachelogger> smaller
[00:07] <apachelogger> more stable
[00:07]  * daskreech likes adept
[00:07] <daskreech> I hope there is a choice :)
[00:07]  * nixternal likes packagekit
[00:07] <daskreech> go KDE!
[00:07] <cheguevara> ah packagekit
[00:07] <apachelogger> nixternal: me to
[00:07] <cheguevara> thats the one
[00:07] <nixternal> it is da bomb
[00:07] <apachelogger> daskreech: there is always a choice ;-)
[00:08] <daskreech> Heh
[00:08] <cheguevara> w00t plasma just crashed
[00:08] <daskreech> there is an alternate krecipe?
[00:08] <nixternal> cheguevara: same here..I sneezed and got the white screen of death :)
[00:08] <daskreech> cheguevara: Yeah plasma has a 1 hour countdown to death on my machien
[00:08] <cheguevara> lol
[00:08] <mhb> I don't know.
[00:09] <apachelogger> didn't die for the last 2 days here
[00:09] <cheguevara> all i didn was start firefox :P
[00:09] <apachelogger> crashing is so old style ;-)
[00:09] <nixternal> sudo apt-get remove firefox
[00:09] <nixternal> then plasma won't crash :)
[00:09] <apachelogger> purge!
[00:09] <daskreech> argh
[00:09] <cheguevara> lol
[00:09] <nixternal> nah, because Konqi uses the plugins
[00:09] <daskreech> Konqueror still has that white bug?
[00:09] <cheguevara> firefox 3 as well :P
[00:09] <nixternal> daskreech: konqi is racist!
[00:09] <mhb> I guess I don't like the current way.
[00:09] <daskreech> Oh holy hell in a hipsters handbasket
[00:10] <nixternal> mhb: is there a way right now that is better than the current? I can't think of any off the top of my head
[00:10] <daskreech> like 15 progress dialogs jsut opened
[00:10] <daskreech> >_<
[00:10] <mhb> nixternal: focusing on lightweight, standard-abiding, independent apps?
[00:10] <cheguevara> w00t patched cairo and fontconfig with David Turner's font rendering patches for hardy
[00:11] <nixternal> mhb: does anyone do that?
[00:11] <daskreech> it still has that can't login to anythign that requires you to type in the actual browser window bug I see
[00:11] <daskreech> mhb: what's lightweight?
[00:11] <daskreech> Would nepomuk be considered lightweight?
[00:11] <nixternal> hell no
[00:11] <mhb> daskreech: anything faster than what we have now.
[00:11] <nixternal> have you seen the nepomuk nightmare?
[00:11] <nixternal> I mean network :p
[00:11] <daskreech> or k3b ?
[00:12] <nixternal> k3b is a good example
[00:12] <mhb> xterm is faster than konsole, rxvt faster than xterm.
[00:12] <daskreech> mhb: have you tried delios ?
[00:12] <daskreech> dash is faster than bash
[00:13] <cheguevara> but it does funy things
[00:13] <daskreech> sh is faster than dash
[00:13] <mhb> heck, konsole doesn't even start instantly, and that's a fricking terminal emulator!
[00:13] <daskreech> yeah konsole is funky
[00:13] <mhb> and I have no second class laptop.
[00:13] <Riddell> cheguevara: committed to svn, thanks
[00:14] <nixternal> yakauake ftw!
[00:14] <nixternal> yakuake too :)
[00:14] <daskreech> my boss removed gnome-terminal for xterm
[00:14] <cheguevara> Riddell, nice one thanks
[00:14] <daskreech> but that's cause he has 200 Megs of RAM
[00:14] <mhb> I'm currently using xterm only.
[00:14] <daskreech> mhb: with sh ?
[00:14] <cheguevara> Riddell, do you think its worth rebuilding kdebase with it?
[00:15] <Riddell> cheguevara: sure, I'm off to bed but give a debdiff to mhb or nixternal or whoever to upload
[00:15] <nixternal> if you give it to me, there better be some money attached to it :)
[00:15] <cheguevara> kk Riddell will do gn
[00:16] <cheguevara> adept still needs a rebuild as well :P
[00:16] <Riddell> cheguevara: libept needs to be fixed first
[00:16] <cheguevara> oh crap
[00:16] <cheguevara> keep forgetting about that
[00:17] <cheguevara> sorry
[00:17] <cheguevara> good night :P
[00:19] <daskreech> mhb: maybe a footprint profile ?
[00:20] <daskreech> mhb: though that again sounds like jeos
[00:22] <cheguevara> brb reboot
[00:22] <daskreech> ok
[00:22] <daskreech> what's the story with the icons in the kubuntu kde4 cd ?
[00:22] <nixternal> I am for a better implementation of something, there just really aren't many
[00:23] <mhb> nixternal: of what?
[00:23] <nixternal> of anything
[00:23] <daskreech> somethign?
[00:23] <daskreech> nixternal: better implementation of OOxml? :)
[00:23] <nixternal> desktop managers, window managers, desktop environments, applications
[00:23] <txwikinger> ah the quality discussion
[00:23] <daskreech> heehee
[00:23] <txwikinger> what is quality?
[00:23] <daskreech> txwikinger: Utility for the user
[00:23] <nixternal> K* works best for me, and I have the option to switch if and when I want to
[00:24] <mhb> nixternal: well, only partially
[00:24] <txwikinger> daskreech: different users different incompatible preferences
[00:24] <mhb> nixternal: we cannot really switch to say GIMP because it's not KDE:
[00:24] <mhb> as a distro.
[00:24] <mhb> you can do that as a single user.
[00:24] <nixternal> well, we don't have gimp only because we don't have space
[00:24] <nixternal> we discussed this 2 years ago
[00:24] <txwikinger> swicth to GIMP? I use GIMP all the time
[00:25] <nixternal> same here
[00:25] <nixternal> and with the gtk engines, all is well with it
[00:26] <cheguevara> re
[00:27] <daskreech> wheeee found a bug
[00:27] <daskreech> don't know where it should go though
[00:28]  * txwikinger jumps over an squashes it
[00:28] <cheguevara> :P
[00:28] <nixternal> that is one thing I will say, with Gimp and with Inkscape, there isn't a KDE alternative, and truthfully we shouldn't include something that isn't
[00:28] <nixternal> on that note...PIZZA TIME! :)
[00:29] <cheguevara> get me some
[00:29] <daskreech> Krita and karbon 14 ?
[00:35] <daskreech> bleeding
[00:43] <cheguevara> nixternal, for changing kdebase-workspace should i just change the file in the package, or add a patch to debian/patches
[00:44] <cheguevara> or apachelogger or stdin :P
[00:45] <stdin> general rule: never change the original source directly
[00:45] <cheguevara> yeah, was just wondering since its from upstream svn
[00:46] <cheguevara> not a local patch
[00:46] <stdin> patches are much easier to deal with
[00:47] <cheguevara> true
[00:47] <cheguevara> i'll do that
[00:47] <stdin> basically everything you do to a package should be in debian/
[00:48] <cheguevara> kk
[00:48] <blizzzek> gn8
[00:49] <cheguevara> stdin, is it just add the patch and then add it to series?
[00:50]  * nosrednaekim has a slideshow working in pyqt4....
[00:50] <stdin> if it's using quilt then I'm not too familiar with it. I think that's what you do
[00:51] <cheguevara> its your package :P
[00:51] <stdin> hey, I didn't choose the packaging system :p
[00:51] <cheguevara> lol
[00:52] <stdin> I never had to use quilt much, I think there's some special thing you have to do to turn it into a quilt patch
[00:52] <stdin> maybe someone less tired and ill knows ;)
[00:53] <cheguevara> Patch debian/patches/14_fix_startkde_bashism_svn_r748614.patch is not applied.
[00:53] <cheguevara> Patch debian/patches/13_kdm_override_docs.diff is not applied.
[00:53] <cheguevara> Patch debian/patches/12_be_better_at_honouring_user_kdm_theming.diff is not applied
[00:53] <cheguevara> hmm whats that about
[00:53] <stdin> what did you do when that happened?
[00:53] <cheguevara> pdebuild
[00:54] <stdin> then that'll be from cleaning the source, cleaning it involves un-patching all files
[00:55] <lokpest> hi all...
[00:55] <lokpest> I was woundering if there is any plans/desires to make a kde-by-default derivative of gobuntu
[00:56] <stdin> I haven't heard any plans for that, I guess it'd be up to the higher-ups if they want to do that
[00:56] <lokpest> is that I hard thing to do? I se folks making remasters all the time, but...
[00:57]  * lokpest is not really much of a hacker
[00:58] <stdin> I haven't remastered a k/ubuntu cd since 5.10, so I can't remember :p
[00:59] <cheguevara> stdin, http://pastebin.ca/816859
[00:59] <cheguevara> what do you think
[01:00] <lokpest> stdin: I asked the question to the gobuntu developers and the basicly said "we wont do it (or not atm anyways) but If you want to do it we can probably give some directions"...
[01:01] <stdin> cheguevara: looks better, except fix the changelog entry ;)
[01:01] <cheguevara> oh crap
[01:03] <stdin> lokpest: I think their more interested in getting the project running than starting a side project right now, so I wouldn't hold my breath for an official release any time soon
[01:06] <cheguevara> argh i can't find the LP bug now
[01:06] <stdin> bug #176135
[01:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176135 in kdebase-kde4 "kde4 startupconfig missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176135
[01:08] <cheguevara> damn just fount it as well :P
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I touched that manually
[01:08] <stdin> "It's kdebase-workspace not kdelibs" < you mean kdebase-kde4
[01:08] <lokpest> stdin: well no, I dont expect anything official atm, just checking for intrest I guess
[01:09] <cheguevara> cheguevara@cheguevara-laptop:~/kdebase/kdebase-workspace-3.97.0/debian$ dpkg -S startkde
[01:09] <cheguevara> ksmserver: /usr/share/man/man1/startkde.1.gz
[01:09] <cheguevara> ksmserver: /usr/bin/startkde
[01:09] <cheguevara> kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[01:10] <stdin> yes, but it was never assigned to "kdelibs" ;)
[01:10] <cheguevara> oh
[01:10] <cheguevara> yeah your right
[01:10] <cheguevara> sorry :(
[01:11] <lokpest> on a completly unrelated note; anybody knows if somebody has ever created a metapackage that installs kde + ALL kde programs/apps?
[01:12] <stdin> yep I did :) it's in hardy now, It should be backported I guess
[01:12] <stdin> hold on, kde3 or 4?
[01:12] <stdin> if it's 3 then look at "kde"
[01:12] <cheguevara> stdin, http://pastebin.ca/816870
[01:13] <lokpest> stdin: nice :)
[01:14] <stdin> cheguevara: just "(LP: #176135)"
[01:19] <cheguevara> stdin, http://pastebin.ca/816874
[01:20] <stdin> cheguevara: that looks good to me
[01:22] <cheguevara> stdin: should I wait for nixternal to get back and give it to him
[01:22] <daskreech> anyone using the rc2 now?
[01:22] <stdin> cheguevara: you can if you want, you can also attach a debdiff to the bug
[01:24] <cheguevara> kk
[01:25] <daskreech> stdin: in KDE4 now?
[01:25] <stdin> daskreech: not right now
[01:26] <daskreech> dang
[01:26] <daskreech> konqueror-kde4 is hilarious
[01:26] <stdin> why?
[01:27] <daskreech> It loads the webpages with progress dialogs
[01:27] <stdin> yeah, but try to open a file using the file dialog. it has a progress bar too :)
[01:33] <daskreech> stdin: yeah but it keeps that progress bar under triple digit instances
[01:35]  * daskreech runs kopete-kde4 from CLI and is bemused by the messages 
[01:37] <cheguevara> yeah that spits out quiet a lot
[01:37] <daskreech> :-)
[01:37] <daskreech> ok mom wants back Vista
[01:37] <daskreech> reboot
[01:37] <cheguevara> lol
[01:38] <daskreech> Well really she wants gmail really
[01:38] <daskreech> but konqui isn't playing with me :(
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> firefox?
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> .me dicks from the newly arowser browser-battle
[01:39]  * nosrednaekim ducks
[01:41] <cheguevara> :P
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> stdin: uhh oh, your python-kde4 package doesn't have the kdefx module in it..
[01:44] <stdin> nosrednaekim: the only thing in the source tree with "kdefx" in it is "./docs/html/kdefx.html", so it probably doesn't exist
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> stdin: thats weird...
[01:45] <stdin> not really, it is from svn and so classed as unfinished
[01:45]  * nosrednaekim really wanted to play with the image effects
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> yeah, but to have the docs but not the code
[01:46] <stdin> they probably just copied all the docs from pykde3
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> hmm maybe.
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> stdin: yup, kdefx isn't in KDE4
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> which isn't very nice of them :(
[02:11] <cheguevara> $PEAR = true;
[02:11] <cheguevara> if ( $PEAR ){
[02:11] <cheguevara> nice...
[02:13] <nixternal> heh
[02:13] <nixternal> why not just do if (true), unless they set $PEAR to false somewhere
[02:14] <cheguevara> even if it is that will overwrite it and its tested right in the next line
[02:15] <cheguevara> nixternal, have you got time to look at a debdiff
[02:15] <nixternal> sure
[02:15] <cheguevara> bug #176135
[02:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176135 in kdebase-workspace "kde4 startupconfig missing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176135
[02:16] <cheguevara> ^^
[02:16] <nixternal> go go slow lp
[02:16] <cheguevara> lol
[02:16] <stdin> on edge?
[02:16] <nixternal> cheguevara: can you attach the debdiff instead of pasting it?
[02:17] <cheguevara> umm i woul but my internet is b0rked again
[02:18] <cheguevara> can't connect to anything :(
[02:20] <cheguevara> nixternal, if you put in copyright that its copyright by 2 ppl, then one of the files has headers for only 1 person, thats still doesn't need to be separately mentioned right?
[02:23] <nixternal> if the header is different that the rest, it needs to be mentioned in the copyright
[02:26] <cheguevara> they are not the same anywhere really
[02:26] <cheguevara> there's 3 ppl involved
[02:26] <cheguevara> 2 are in AUTHORS
[02:26] <cheguevara> and they vary all over headers
[02:26] <vorian> haha nixternal, our posts will hit the planet at the same time
[02:27] <nixternal> groovy :)
[02:28] <nixternal> well, I wouldn't worry about it, as the debian/copyright doesn't take presidence over the headers of the files anyways...but I would check possibly in #ubuntu-motu just to be sure
[02:29] <cheguevara> nixternal, do you really need that diff as a file then or is it fine
[02:29] <cheguevara> oooh i know how i can get it as a file
[02:29] <cheguevara> i got a ssh session open
[02:29] <nixternal> ya, because it is safer than copying and pasting
[02:31] <cheguevara> http://tvu.org.ru/kdebase-workspace.diff
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Back!
[02:32] <cheguevara> wb
[02:34]  * DaSkreech bows
[02:34] <DaSkreech> What do we already  have ready for KDE4
[02:34] <DaSkreech> System settings obviously :)
[02:34] <cheguevara> nixternal, what do you reckon?
[02:35] <nixternal> I have no clue..I don't use the KDE 4 packages
[02:36] <cheguevara> nixternal: i got an ack from stdin
[02:36] <DaSkreech> nixternal: straigh svn?
[02:36] <nixternal> is that a debdiff btw?
[02:36] <nixternal> DaSkreech: yes
[02:37] <cheguevara> nixternal, well i generated it with debdiff oldpackage.dsc newpackage.dsc
[02:37] <DaSkreech> nixternal: does a straight svn pull in most of the icons?
[02:37] <nixternal> k
[02:37] <nixternal> DaSkreech: oxygen icon theme isn't complete
[02:38] <nixternal> so the answer would be no
[02:38] <DaSkreech> I know
[02:38] <DaSkreech> I never said all I said most :)
[02:38] <DaSkreech> cause a whole page of ? is visually off putting
[02:39] <cheguevara> nixternal, the change is trivial and deff works, its just the whole patch packaging i wasn't sure about
[02:39] <nixternal> you got it right, I was applying the patch wrong at first
[02:39]  * DaSkreech needs to reboot up the debian live Cd and see. I don't recall it having that few icons but then they probably just had much fewer apps
[02:39] <cheguevara> nixternal, cool, will you upload?
[02:40] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Wouldn't happen to be in KDE4 now?
[02:40] <nixternal> if pbuilder isn't still an issue with broken repos
[02:40] <cheguevara> heh
[02:40] <cheguevara> thanks a lot
[02:40] <nixternal> DaSkreech: yes I am in kde 4, always in kde 4 :)
[02:40] <cheguevara> i've been bugging you too much in these 2 days :P
[02:40] <nixternal> what icons are you missing?
[02:41] <DaSkreech> nixternal: great do two things for me one is a bug one is just for my amusement
[02:41] <DaSkreech> which one you want to do first
[02:41] <nixternal> don't matter
[02:41] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I have like 4 from the kde-edu packages but I'll document that in a bit
[02:42] <DaSkreech> nixternal: open konqueror and go to http://www.cnn.com
[02:42] <nixternal> kde-edu is still working on icons...don't expect them for a couple of weeks
[02:42] <cheguevara> hmm i need foodz
[02:42] <DaSkreech> tell me how many progress bars it open
[02:42] <nixternal> ok, at cnn.com
[02:42] <DaSkreech> +s
[02:42] <nixternal> 1
[02:42] <DaSkreech> 1?
[02:42] <DaSkreech> it opened 117 here
[02:43] <nixternal> I only see 1 progress bar in the bottom right, the progress bar that is always there
[02:43] <cheguevara> let me try on rc2
[02:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: spoilsport
[02:43] <nixternal> DaSkreech: no progress bars are opening in popups if that is what you are asking
[02:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: you use kopete?
[02:43] <nixternal> no
[02:43] <cheguevara> ah crap i forgot my internet don't work
[02:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: great. open it up
[02:43] <nixternal> DaSkreech: are you talking about progress bars that open up in new popups?
[02:44] <DaSkreech> Easiest one to replicate this on
[02:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: yes
[02:44] <nixternal> hah, that is what you get for use OLD packages :)
[02:44] <nixternal> that has been fixed for over a week
[02:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: :-p
[02:44] <nixternal> that was for debugging
[02:44] <DaSkreech> it's hilatious
[02:44] <DaSkreech> I hope they have a way to switch it back on
[02:44] <nixternal> not if you build w/o debug :)
[02:44] <nixternal> ya, build with debug I think
[02:45] <nixternal> ok, kopete is open
[02:45] <DaSkreech> My KDE3 sessions in kubuntu open 14 konqueror windows with at least 3 tabs each
[02:45] <nixternal> I didn't even notice it build
[02:45] <DaSkreech> I should easily get over 1000 bars
[02:45] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Alt+F
[02:45] <DaSkreech> You get a menu?
[02:45] <nixternal> yup
[02:45] <DaSkreech> ok press right
[02:46] <nixternal> DaSkreech: is kded running?
[02:46] <DaSkreech> it moves to Edit?
[02:46] <nixternal> works
[02:46] <nixternal> no
[02:46] <nixternal> I am in the menu
[02:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: in Vista now
[02:46] <DaSkreech> oh right the sub menu
[02:46] <DaSkreech> press right again
[02:46] <DaSkreech> You should be on Edit
[02:46] <nixternal> goes to edit
[02:46] <DaSkreech> which should have no options
[02:46] <nixternal> correct
[02:46] <DaSkreech> press right again
[02:46] <DaSkreech> nothing?
[02:46] <nixternal> no, I have my settings and config options
[02:47] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok
[02:47] <nixternal> are you using rc2?
[02:47] <DaSkreech> guess that got fixed
[02:47] <DaSkreech> Yes
[02:47] <nixternal> don't bug hunt with it
[02:47] <DaSkreech> My mom's laptop so no installing for me
[02:47]  * nixternal bets rc2 has the old oxygen bar on the bottom as well
[02:47] <DaSkreech> Maybe whats' it to ya?
[02:48] <nixternal> well for 1, kopete isn't even finished yet
[02:48] <nixternal> rc2 probably still has a ton of the kde3 code in it
[02:48] <nixternal> this week alone there have been quite a few kopete commits
[02:49] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I don't know if it's just Kopete
[02:49] <DaSkreech> I did it on other apps
[02:49] <nixternal> DaSkreech: cuz your kded isn't running in rc2
[02:49] <DaSkreech>  if the menu is empty then the left/right keys don't work
[02:49] <nixternal> if you look, none of your globals show up in system settings
[02:49] <DaSkreech> It's just easy to do on kopete cause edit is always empty
[02:50] <DaSkreech> Hmmok ;) that's a good explanation
[02:51] <nixternal> I have already mapped alt+space to krunner :p
[02:51] <DaSkreech> ha ha jpatrick will be hurt :)
[02:52] <DaSkreech> Oh have you got the quick access konsole to work?
[02:52] <nixternal> haven't messed with it
[02:52] <DaSkreech> I can't but then I haven't tried
[02:53] <DaSkreech> Nepomuk is almost ready!
[02:53]  * DaSkreech is excited :)
[02:53] <nixternal> you mean nepomuk-kde is getting close to alpha stage right :)
[02:54] <cheguevara> lol
[02:54] <nixternal> nepomuk has been around for a while now
[02:54] <DaSkreech> as are most things in kde4 :)
[02:54] <nixternal> heh, true
[02:54] <DaSkreech> So going to rock
[02:54] <nixternal> although, KDE 4 f'n rocks for me on my new box, whicked fast
[02:54] <nixternal> KDE 4 is definitely faster than gnome and kde3 on this laptop
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Again it says a lot that I rather play in a pre release KDE4 than a fully patched Vista
[02:55] <DaSkreech> and I'm more productive :)
[02:55] <nixternal> vista pwns j00
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Is there a priority list somewhere of what Kubuntu needs to port?
[02:56] <cheguevara> the only thing is pwns is windows ME
[02:56] <mhb> I'm not even on KDE and I'm also quite productive.
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Adept? Ubiquity?
[02:56] <mhb> all it takes is a
[02:56] <cheguevara> Adept is getting replaced i believe
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Non windows machine?
[02:56] <mhb> alias r='rxvt -bg black -fg white +sb'
[02:57] <nixternal> mhb: xterm?
[02:57] <nixternal> hehe
[02:57] <nixternal> I remember doing that years ago for xterma nd rv...ya you got it :)
[02:57] <cheguevara> bitchx or irssi :P
[02:57] <nixternal> just noticed the r='rxvt
[02:57] <nixternal> I seen -bg black -fg white +sb
[02:57] <mhb> for some reason, the -bg black -fg white is the default for xterm, but not for rxvt.
[02:59] <cheguevara> w00t internets back
[03:00] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Oh I'm trying out centerim
[03:00] <DaSkreech> I like it so far
[03:03] <mhb> centerim? aww
[03:03] <mhb> I hope all your friends have english nicknames and you didn't have a nice structured list of friends.
[03:04] <nixternal> centerim was good, but bitlbee is better
[03:04] <mhb> centerim broken my friends list.
[03:04] <mhb> broke
[03:04] <DaSkreech> mhb: On the server?
[03:04] <DaSkreech> or just the display?
[03:04] <mhb> server, because I had to remake it all over again in Kopete.
[03:04] <DaSkreech> oh that sucks
[03:05] <DaSkreech> when was that?
[03:05] <DaSkreech> and what protocol?
[03:05] <mhb> a week ago or so.
[03:05] <mhb> I tried both jabber and icq.
[03:05] <DaSkreech> hmm
[03:05] <DaSkreech> didn't hurt mine
[03:05] <mhb> that's good to hear.
[03:06] <DaSkreech> mine was this week though
[03:06] <mhb> I'm not trying it until 2009.
[03:06] <nixternal> heh, I got you hooked on KDE ey vorian? :)  I just thought you were messing with it for a bit before you went back to the dark side :)
[03:06] <DaSkreech> two years?
[03:06] <DaSkreech>  thats harsh
[03:06] <nixternal> mhb: hahahahah, 2009 :)
[03:06] <mhb> DaSkreech: not really two years.
[03:06] <DaSkreech> vorian: welcome
[03:07] <mhb> one and a few days.
[03:07] <DaSkreech> that's like two whole releases away
[03:14] <vorian> nixternal, nope, hooked :)
[03:14] <vorian> and ty DaSkreech :)
[03:15] <DaSkreech> any time a day man
[03:19] <cheguevara> Daisuke-Laptop, cnn.com loads without pop up bars for me
[03:19] <cheguevara> i mean DaSkreech
[03:19] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:23] <DaSkreech> http://labs.adobe.com/
[03:23] <DaSkreech> neat
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Adobe owning flash is great :)
[03:26] <cheguevara> may be in 10 years we'll have a 64 bit version finally
[03:32] <nixternal> bah, one problem with my new kde4 box...damn ati radeon
[03:32] <vorian> nixternal, which card?
[03:32] <nixternal> r300, 9700
[03:32] <vorian> boo
[03:32] <nixternal> 9800, something like that
[03:32] <vorian> one too short on the 300
[03:33] <vorian> my 300m works so/so in composite
[03:33] <nixternal> I thought the r300 did as well
[03:34] <vorian> *shrugs*
[03:34] <vorian> :)
[03:35] <cheguevara> ok how come i did dput and the orig file didn't upload
[03:35] <cheguevara> could be 'cause i named it wrong
[03:35] <cheguevara> ...
[03:37] <cheguevara> nixternal, did kdebase-workspace every pbuild?
[03:37] <nixternal> won't know for an hour probably :)
[03:37] <nixternal> it is still building
[03:37] <cheguevara> oh yeah its quiet a big package lol
[03:41] <nixternal> damn, we owned the planet with KDE love!
[03:42] <nixternal> cheguevara: uploaded!
[03:42] <nixternal> you should get a message about it closing the bug shortly
[03:44] <cheguevara> sweet
[03:44] <cheguevara> today's been productive for me
[03:52] <cheguevara> nixternal, when you get time http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kmldonkey-kde4
[03:52] <cheguevara> now i can go to sleep
[04:01] <nixternal> mhb: just tested KDE 3 with openbox...about the same, some things didn't work...ran it straight up, and lets just say when I hit login, less than 1 second and the desktop was up
[04:02] <nixternal> granted there isn't anything on the desktop when you run it straight up
[04:04] <mhb> nixternal: :o) nice.
[04:04] <mhb> yes, that's the speed I'd expect with a modern desktop.
[04:05] <nixternal> are you nuts? modern == eye candy and attractive..if you got openbox straight up speed with "modern" I would die a happy man :)
[04:06] <mhb> heh, me too.
[04:06] <nixternal> unless everything was preloaded at say KDM, that way there when you press login it is right at your desktop
[04:06] <mhb> I think that would be premature optimization, and you know what that is :o)
[04:06] <nixternal> that is kind of what windows does...it loads a majority of the things that are "microsoft" before you login
[04:07] <mhb> I don't think openbox looks too bad.
[04:07] <mhb> it just doesn't have a panel and a desktop.
[04:09] <mhb> hmm.
[04:09] <mhb> I wonder how much time would it take to load openbox & plasma.
[04:11] <nixternal> you can setup a panel and a desktop
[04:11] <nixternal> og just showed me a screenshot
[04:11] <mhb> nixternal: of what?
[04:12] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenigm/416725363/
[04:12] <nixternal> openbox straight up
[04:12] <nixternal> that theme in that screenshot, I really really like...reminds me of a super old kde theme that I can't find..used to be called simplicity
[04:13] <mhb> nixternal: right, that's the nice thing I like about it - there's no built in openbox panel, but you can install and run many others.
[04:13] <nixternal> ya
[04:13] <mhb> nixternal: pypanel, fbpanel, also plasma works if you run it.
[04:13] <nixternal> but don't run kde inside openbox..it is bad
[04:14] <mhb> hehe :o)
[04:14] <mhb> am I still in #kubuntu-devel?
[04:15] <cheguevara> :P
[04:18] <mhb> nixternal: I really would like to see the day when we replaced all the slow apps with the fast ones :o)
[04:19] <mhb> my dream desktop would have rxvt's instead of GNOMEy and KDey terminals, it would have k3b (I love that software), a decent web browser and it would run well on a 256MB RAM machine :o)
[04:21] <nixternal> I could care less what the terminal is, as long as it is in Yakuake, I am golden
[04:22] <nixternal> decent web browser == epiphany + webkit :)
[04:23] <mhb> nixternal: you do regular work in yakuake?
[04:23] <nixternal> oh ya
[04:23] <nixternal> I do everything in yakuake..I am talking to you now from within yakuake
[04:23] <mhb> it's good when you want to do an apt-get update, but I couldn't imagine writing TeX in it.
[04:23] <stdin> me too
[04:23] <nixternal> emacs and LaTeX editing is great
[04:23] <nixternal> though I am preferring Kile more and more now
[04:24] <mhb> now that's a scary screenshot - no, thanks :O)
[04:25] <nixternal> what is?
[04:27] <mhb> nixternal: kile
[04:27] <mhb> nixternal: looks like kdevelop
[04:27]  * mhb kisses vim
[04:27] <mhb> french, of course :o)
[04:28] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:28] <nixternal> kile totally rocks for doing tex
[04:28] <nixternal> I do my tex, alt+6 to pdftex, alt+7 to view pdf
[04:28] <nixternal> it validates my code
[04:28] <nixternal> I love it
[04:30] <nixternal> Johannes Braams or David Carlisle is who told me to use Kile over emacs/vim
[04:30] <nixternal> and if it is good enough for the developers of LaTeX, then it has to be good enough for me :p
[04:30] <mhb> vim totally rocks too, I do my latex, then latex file.tex, it does a validation check, then xdvi file.dvi for a visual check :o)
[04:31] <nixternal> to much typing ;)
[04:31]  * nixternal loves macros
[04:31] <mhb> too much typing?
[04:31] <mhb> usually one up arrow and one enter.
[04:31] <cheguevara> kdebase-workspace failed on lpia :P
[04:31] <nixternal> doesn't it always?
[04:31] <nixternal> should fail that and sparc
[04:32] <cheguevara>   kdepimlibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:3.96.0-1) but it is not going to be installed
[04:32] <stdin> cheguevara: don't worry, you've still got spark and hppa to fail yet :)
[04:32] <stdin> *sparc
[04:32] <nixternal> oh ya, forgot about hppa
[04:33] <stdin> oh, and ia64
[04:33] <cheguevara> lol
[04:34] <cheguevara> wonder how many people want to run kde4 on hppa and sparc :P
[04:34]  * nixternal has a sparc here he would like to run it on
[04:35] <nixternal> has 4 450mhz cpus, 8gb of ram, and quite a few 18gb scsi drives :)
[04:35] <stdin> since riddell uploaded my patches to just about every kde4 package I have received no less than 69 FTBFS emails :p
[04:35] <nixternal> enterprise 3500 - a whopping $250 on craigslist
[04:35] <stdin> last one was an hour ago
[04:36] <cheguevara> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kde4libs/4:3.97.0-1ubuntu2
[04:37] <cheguevara> that says kdelibs is built fine on lpia
[04:38] <DaSkreech> nixternal: sorry where did you get that from?
[04:40] <nixternal> chicago.craigslist.com
[04:48] <cheguevara> goo night
[04:48] <cheguevara> *good
[04:48] <nixternal> g'nite
[04:49] <mendred> hi in kde4, is there any setting i can tweak to make the animations faster?
[04:50] <stdin> try asking in #kde4-devel
[04:50] <nixternal> hrmm, you can turn some off, and some can be tweaked
[04:50] <mendred> stdin: thanks will do
[04:51] <stdin> I'm just happy to get anything, if I try tweaking it I'll break it again :p
[04:51] <nixternal> KMenu -> System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects or [Advanced Options]
[04:51] <nixternal> I don't have any desktop effects with this stupid radeon card
[04:51] <nixternal> but then again, I really don't need the effects :)
[04:51] <mendred> nixternal: i am running it on 4 gb ram with a quad core and an nvida 8800 GT...so i just wanted to push it to its limit
[04:52] <nixternal> jeesh, it will be hard to get it any faster than that :)
[04:52] <mendred> :)
[04:52] <nixternal> mine is pretty decent on my celeron m 1.6ghz, 1.5gb of ram, with intel 945 graphics :)
[04:53] <mendred> oh the animations run fine
[04:53] <mendred> but it isnt smooth
[04:53] <mendred> as if it is skipping frames
[04:53] <mendred> or something
[04:53] <nixternal> is there a quad core mobo out there with intel graphics built in? I can't find a decent board with graphics built in anymore
[04:53] <cheguevara> nixternal, try asrock ones
[04:54] <nixternal> asrock is still around?
[04:55] <cheguevara> 'course
[04:55] <nixternal> thought asus dropped them
[04:55] <nixternal> if you google hardocp and/or anandtech, you can find some of my old hardware reviews, and one of them was an asrock mobo back during the early Athlon XP days :p
[04:56] <mendred> which config file does kde4 use to store the effect settings?
[04:59] <nixternal> probably ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc or similar?
[05:00] <DaSkreech> mhb: But isn't k3b kinda big and over done?
[05:00] <nixternal> what?
[05:01] <nixternal> k3b is the most beautiful burning application ever
[05:01] <mhb> I have to agree with nix on that one.
[05:01] <mendred> nixternal: ok will check that
[05:01] <nixternal> want big and overdone, see Roxio or Nero
[05:01] <mhb> k3b is the best burning app I have ever used, and I'm not saying that just because it's Linux.
[05:01] <nixternal> heck, people using Gnome tend to migrate to K3b because it is so lovely
[05:03] <DaSkreech> but mhb was saying lightweight apps that do one thing
[05:04] <DaSkreech> k3b is cd and DVD and BluRay burning
[05:04] <DaSkreech> DVD authoring
[05:04] <nixternal> and it is lightweight
[05:04] <DaSkreech>  dvd ripping
[05:04] <nixternal> very clean code base
[05:04] <nixternal> easily pluggable
[05:05] <stdin> you want to see a big and overdone app, look at nero
[05:05] <nixternal> I will admit, when I did use Windows during my Linux break in 2000-2002, Nero was the bomb
[05:05] <nixternal> but the one great thing about Nero...it is Qt!
[05:05] <nixternal> hehe
[05:05] <cheguevara> heh
[05:05] <stdin> bloated like my dad on christmas evening
[05:06] <DaSkreech> What? you have Vista now!
[05:06] <Tm_T> Nero is something I can't like
[05:06] <DaSkreech> nixternal: same authour for nepomuk
[05:06] <nixternal> ya, but I don't use it much
[05:06] <Tm_T> just that
[05:07] <nixternal> and the burning app I have in vista, that free one...is similar to k3b, just a slow ass application when it comes to the burning part
[05:07] <cheguevara> the one with the smoke?
[05:07] <nixternal> ya
[05:07] <nixternal> infrarecorder or something like that
[05:07] <DaSkreech> there is a free burning tool with vista?
[05:07] <nixternal> there is a free burning tool with xp
[05:08] <nixternal> but you can't burn iso's with them
[05:08] <cheguevara> still got that screeny
[05:08] <nixternal> I think I nixed it
[05:08] <cheguevara> oh they got a video
[05:09] <cheguevara> http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/?page_id=4
[05:10] <nixternal> I am watching one hell of a battle between gnome devs in #gnome-hackers on irc.gnome.whatever
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Wait it ships with a FOSS product?
[05:11] <DaSkreech> are you sure?
[05:11] <cheguevara> no it don't ship with it
[05:12] <cheguevara> god, you read kde's commit digest and all you see are new features
[05:12] <cheguevara> and thats with less then a month left till release
[05:12] <nixternal> they are at least tested features for once...but stuff in playground and extragear don't count
[05:13] <cheguevara> true
[05:13] <cheguevara> but still developers that are doing the new features could concentrate on bug fixing for this last couple of weeks
[05:14] <nixternal> but that makes to much sense
[05:14] <cheguevara> lol
[05:14] <nixternal> the gnome devs are going at it like cats and dogs over planet.gnome.org
[05:14] <nixternal> how silly
[05:15] <DaSkreech> what about?
[05:15] <cheguevara> may be they can all fight and stop developing :P
[05:15] <nixternal> something about jdub holding back information
[05:15] <cheguevara> so what are we having as video player in kde4
[05:16] <cheguevara> codeine?
[05:16] <nixternal> good question
[05:16] <nixternal> codeine is the only thing I have seen blogged about concerning video and kde4
[05:16] <cheguevara> is kaffeine gonna get ported
[05:16] <nixternal> if is, I haven't seen it yet
[05:17] <nixternal> kplayer is the only app I see right now in KDE 4 and it is in extragear
[05:18] <cheguevara> hmmm
[05:18] <cheguevara> gotta think about simple codec installation as well
[05:18] <nixternal> there is a phonon video player in playground
[05:18] <nixternal> 33 hours was the last commit
[05:21] <cheguevara> heh playground is even worse then extragear
[05:21] <nixternal> ya it is
[05:21] <nixternal> playground is where everything goes that doesn't belong in kde just yet though
[05:21] <cheguevara> jesus its 5:20 am
[05:21] <nixternal> so it is expected
[05:21] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:21] <nixternal> 23:20 here
[05:22] <cheguevara> am really going to sleep now lol
[05:22] <cheguevara> don't forget my kmldonkey :P
[05:22] <cheguevara> night
[05:22] <nixternal> k'nite
[05:41]  * DaSkreech hops in the Hobbsee truck first
[05:41] <Tm_T> :(
[05:42] <Hobbsee> heya DaSkreech!
[05:42] <DaSkreech> hey Hobbsee ! :)
[05:42] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: good day
[05:43] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: how are you?
[05:43] <stdin> you mean: g'day
[05:43] <Tm_T> stdin: and how you might know my meanings, son?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: good.  i have a new car now :)
[05:44] <Tm_T> stdin: you have lot to learn, my young padawan
[05:44] <stdin> Tm_T: because I'm all knowing, like Hobbsee :)
[05:44] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: :)
[05:46] <nixternal> Hobbsee: can I borrow your new car?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nope :P
[05:46] <nixternal> the windsheild on my truck shattered yesterday
[05:46] <Hobbsee> it's mine!
[05:46] <Hobbsee> did you want to see?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[05:46] <nixternal> and I am flat ass broke
[05:46] <nixternal> oh ya I wanna see
[05:46] <nixternal> pics!#@)*!! :p
[05:46] <Hobbsee> http://www.drive.com.au/used-cars/TOYOTA/YARIS/Sydney/detail.aspx?id=3840008&pg=1&pp=0&d=0&nv=1&SG=-1730817473&pt=1
[05:47] <nixternal> you hit a kangaroo in that, it is all over with :)
[05:47]  * Tm_T doesn't have a car
[05:47] <nixternal> I think I could fit that in my truck :)
[05:48] <nixternal> or my backpack
[05:48] <nixternal> my neighbor has one, and I envy his gas mileage
[05:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha :D
[05:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, it's nice for that.
[05:48] <nixternal> yours is sharp though
[05:48] <nixternal> his is foogly
[05:49] <Hobbsee> yeah - and it looks a little strange from those pics anyway
[05:49] <Hobbsee> weird angles and all
[05:51] <nixternal> http://www.smartusa.com/smart-fortwo-cabriolet.aspx
[05:51] <nixternal> that is the car I have already half purchased
[05:51] <nixternal> I am just waiting for it to come to the US
[05:52] <Hobbsee> nice!
[05:52] <nixternal> I think I should have it in like 2 or 3 months from what the dealer told me
[05:53] <Tm_T> like to see my next vehicle?
[05:53] <nixternal> it better not be a skateboard
[05:54] <mhb> hey Hobbsee
[05:54] <Hobbsee> heya mhb!
[05:55] <mhb> my body hates me yet again, because of keeping it awake until 7AM.
[05:56] <mhb> so good night, i have to make it up to it.
[05:56] <mhb> :o)
[05:56] <Tm_T> http://www.royal-enfield.com/images/Electra-Jubilee-factory.jpg
[05:56] <Tm_T> <3
[05:56] <nixternal> nice
[05:57] <nixternal> I wanted to buy another Harley, older though, like the WWII bikes and do something like that
[05:58] <Tm_T> I can get one of those sidecart RE bikes less than 8k €
[05:58] <Tm_T> that's less than cheapest cars
[05:58] <Tm_T> and yes, talking about new
[05:59] <nixternal> I was thinking of getting a custom chopper, but they are just ridiculously expensive
[05:59] <nixternal> I can get 2 or 3 cars for the price of one
[06:00] <Tm_T> heh
[06:00] <Tm_T> best feature of good motorbike: you can drive 100 km with less then 3l of gas
[06:01] <nixternal> right now I have a 1974 Harley Davidson Heritage Softale and a 1968 Captain America replica, repainted of course
[06:01] <nixternal> Softail :)
[06:03] <Tm_T> heh
[06:04] <Tm_T> nixternal: my current is ugly hack of an old Yamaha TZR 125cc
[06:04] <nixternal> hey, I started on far worse
[06:04]  * nixternal gets a pic
[06:05] <Tm_T> but I don't care about "shiny", it's vehicle not extension to my headcone
[06:05] <nixternal> http://fontainemedia.com/MOTORCYCLES/GOB_1974_Kawasaki_S1_250.htm
[06:06] <nixternal> that isn't the one I had, but that was the bike
[06:06] <nixternal> a 74 s1 250
[06:06] <nixternal> mine was rusted all to hell, half an exhaust
[06:06] <Tm_T> hm, that isn't bad then
[06:06] <nixternal> and if you relined it, oil would spit on to your pant leg
[06:06] <nixternal> redlined*
[06:06] <nixternal> I bought it for $50
[06:07] <nixternal> I missed the bus and had to walk home from school one day and there it was
[06:07] <nixternal> I probably dropped that bike 50 times
[06:07] <nixternal> rear ended a car with it
[06:08] <nixternal> and I learned that flipping over the handlebars is only in the movies
[06:08] <nixternal> my groin caught the bars...the worst time of my life :)
[06:08] <Tm_T> meh
[06:08]  * Tm_T started with motorbikes at age of 6
[06:09] <nixternal> I didn't...mom didn't want us having them
[06:09] <Tm_T> heh
[06:09] <nixternal> we had go-karts and snowmobiles
[06:09] <nixternal> and bb guns...we did more damage with bb guns than we ever did with a motorbike
[06:10] <Tm_T> ever shot car window down with bb gun?
[06:10] <nixternal> yup
[06:10] <Tm_T> a moving car?
[06:10] <nixternal> and it didn't break that cars window...it bounced back and broke my car window
[06:10] <Tm_T> hah
[06:10] <nixternal> no, he was parked...we were young and stupid
[06:10] <Tm_T> :(
[06:10] <Tm_T> kids...
[06:10] <nixternal> he was in the car too
[06:10] <nixternal> in his car that is
[06:11] <nixternal> I heard the glass shatter and was like "hell ya!" only to find out I busted out the back window of my buick and froze my ass off for the next 30 miles home
[06:11] <Tm_T> somehow I hope you never meet my brothers
[06:11] <nixternal> are they little terrorists?
[06:11] <nixternal> I know I was when I was young
[06:12] <Tm_T> well, my brothers are 20-38 years old
[06:12] <Tm_T> and they still are terrorists to theirself
[06:12] <nixternal> I am 33, so I fit right in :)
[06:12] <Tm_T> yup
[06:13] <Tm_T> 8 brothers I have
[06:13] <nixternal> jeesh
[06:13] <nixternal> 1 brother and 2 sisters here, and they are to much :)
[06:13] <Tm_T> and I'm the only one who didn't do the army all the way through
[06:13] <Tm_T> nixternal: 5 sisters on top of that
[06:13] <nixternal> heh, I am the only one who didn't graduate from teh University of Michigan, but I joined the military instead
[06:13] <Tm_T> heh
[06:14] <nixternal> damn, your family is freakin' huge
[06:14] <nixternal> you celebrate xmas?
[06:14] <sigma_> Riddell: is there any truth the the "laptop hard drive count issue" that is appearing all over the internet?
[06:14] <Tm_T> nope
[06:14] <nixternal> whew, that saves a ton of money :)
[06:14] <Tm_T> nor any religious/commercial foofoos
[06:14] <Tm_T> nixternal: how come?
[06:15] <nixternal> xmas is all about the gifts nowadays..true meaning is gone, like you said "commercial"
[06:15] <Tm_T> ah
[06:15] <nixternal> that is to many people to buy gifts for
[06:15] <Tm_T> glad I don't have to involve that
[06:15] <Tm_T> nor care
[09:36] <ardchoille> I was following this tutorial and found errors in it and I cannot continue: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-chap.html
[09:36] <jpatrick> ardchoille: packaging guide's moved to the wiki
[09:37] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Oh, ok. I bookmarked the wrong one :/
[09:37] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide
[09:37] <ardchoille> Thank you
[09:39] <ardchoille> Same errors in that guide
[09:40] <jpatrick> what are they?
[09:41] <ardchoille> On this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/Basic where it talks about the postinst and prerm files, it says "Go ahead and copy them into the current debian directory" but I cannot find those two files to copy them.
[09:42] <jpatrick> I'd skip them.. I've never had to play with those files
[09:42] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[09:44] <ardchoille> jpatrick: If I skip them, will I get errors during the compile or package creation stages?
[09:45] <jpatrick> hope not
[09:47] <jpatrick> ardchoille: from rules: install -m 755 debian/postinst debian/prerm debian/tmp/DEBIAN - remove that line
[09:47] <ardchoille> aha
[09:47] <ardchoille> ty
[09:51] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Who would I talk to to get my @ubuntu.com email address setup? I plan to use that for making packages
[09:51] <jpatrick> ardchoille: it should automatically do itself (after a period of time) - and @kubuntu.org :D
[09:51] <ardchoille> oh, I thought it was ubuntu.com
[09:52] <jpatrick> both
[09:53] <ardchoille> It still doesn't work.
[09:53] <jpatrick> it takes some time, but they'll both forward to your primary mail on LP
[10:08] <Hobbsee> ardchoille: how did you test if they were working?
[10:09] <jpatrick> email yourself
[10:09] <ardchoille> Hobbsee: I sent an email to ardchoille42@ubuntu.com  and  @kubuntu.org
[10:09] <Hobbsee> ardchoille: with what?
[10:09] <ardchoille> both returned deliver failure notices
[10:09] <ardchoille> kmail
[10:09] <Hobbsee> did you send it from a gmail address?
[10:09] <ardchoille> yes
[10:10] <Hobbsee> then that's why.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> gmail will have marked it as spam, or not sent it
[10:12] <ardchoille> Just tried sending from a yahoo email address and recieved "Remote host said: 550 <ardchoille42@ubuntu.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[10:12] <ardchoille> "
[10:18] <jpatrick> then the server needs to update to include your mail
[10:46] <ilia> hi, all!
[10:47] <jpatrick> hi ilia
[10:48] <ilia> do you know, how can I obtain and run latest Amarok from SVN?
[10:48] <ilia> There is a bug in Amarok and I want to test, whether it is fixed in SVN
[10:49] <jpatrick> ilia: prehaps http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/2.0_Development_HowTo ?
[10:50] <ilia> thanks, I'm going to read it
[10:50] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: I assume latest = 1.4 branch
[10:50] <apachelogger_> ilia: what is the bug?
[10:52] <apachelogger_> well, I gotta go
[10:52] <apachelogger_> ilia: maybe you should just ask in #amarok
[10:52] <apachelogger_> AFK
[10:54] <ilia> I have ogg files  whith non-latin tags (e.g. Russian, Hebrew songs). When I connect a portable media device and want Amarok to copy a tracks, Amarok set tracks names according to file's tags. However, it assumes, that these tags are in latin-1 (they actually in utf-8) and wrongly encodes file names.
[11:03] <jpatrick> ilia: if think the #amarok guys will help you out best
[11:04] <ilia> jpatrick: thanks, I'll try
[11:07] <Hobbsee> ardchoille: then it's not set up yet
[11:08] <ardchoille> Hobbsee: Ok, part of the problem is I keep thinking that computers are super fast
[11:08] <Hobbsee> well, it's usually fast
[11:09]  * ardchoille needs to find libpatience.so
[11:44] <cheguevara> morning
[11:44] <cheguevara> ilia, startkde bug fixed?
[11:53] <cheguevara> Hobbsee, why such a big car :P
[11:53] <Hobbsee> cheguevara: it's not :P
[11:53] <Hobbsee> it's a tiny thing
[11:54] <cheguevara> oh i see now, on the small picture it looked like one of them family cars lol
[11:54] <cheguevara> but it looks nice
[11:54] <cheguevara> what color?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> cheguevara: you can't see on the pic?  orange.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> cheguevara: it looks like a big wagon, but wiht a great middle panel chopped out, and the ends stuck together :P
[11:59] <Hobbsee> like, bright orange.
[12:03] <cheguevara> Hobbsee, all pics on the page you gave are different color
[12:05] <Hobbsee> cheguevara: oh, that's cos the page expired, as the one i gave got marked as sold
[12:05] <Hobbsee> here
[12:05] <Hobbsee> http://www.drive.com.au/used-cars/TOYOTA/YARIS/Melbourne/detail.aspx?id=3922679&pg=1&pp=13&d=0&nv=1&SG=449918527&pt=1 http://www.drive.com.au/used-cars/TOYOTA/YARIS/Melbourne/detail.aspx?id=3885293&pg=1&pp=12&d=0&nv=1&SG=449918527&pt=1
[12:05] <Hobbsee> (so it took you back to the main index page)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> it looks like those two, but it's an auto.
[12:06] <cheguevara> ah
[12:06] <cheguevara> shiny :P
[12:06] <Hobbsee> very :D
[12:06] <cheguevara> i bet your happy :P
[12:07] <Hobbsee> yup.  well, i'll be more happy when i can drive it, though
[12:07] <cheguevara> no license yet?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> oh, sure, i have a licence
[12:07] <Hobbsee> but they're going to clean it up (it's down the end where they're doing construction), and actually stick some fuel in it.
[12:07] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised we didn't run out of fuel on the test drive :P
[12:07] <Hobbsee> and money transfer, etc
[12:08] <Hobbsee> oh, and it's not ensured, etc
[12:08] <Hobbsee> s/ensured/insured/
[12:09] <cheguevara> yeah i get ya
[12:10] <cheguevara> working on saturday sucks
[12:11] <Hobbsee> this is true
[12:11]  * Hobbsee has to work tomorrow, so...
[12:11] <Hobbsee> weekend work sucks in general.
[12:11] <cheguevara> join the club
[12:12] <cheguevara> well one thing is working for canonical another thing is working for Aqua Restaraunt lol
[12:16] <Hobbsee> what are you doing for canonical?
[12:17] <cheguevara> no
[12:17] <cheguevara> i mean you
[12:17] <cheguevara> not me
[12:17] <Hobbsee> oh, true
[12:17]  * Hobbsee doesn't work for canonical.
[12:17] <Hobbsee> unfortunately
[12:18] <cheguevara> hmm i had the assumption that core devs were canonical employees for some reason
[12:18] <Hobbsee> no, not all of them
[12:18] <Hobbsee> and the reverse is also not true
[12:19]  * txwikinger tries to tackle the meaning of the reverse :)
[12:19] <cheguevara> yeah
[12:19] <Hobbsee> as in, that all canonical employees are core devs
[12:19] <txwikinger> Ah... brain is still in sleep mode :)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> which is false
[12:20] <cheguevara> right work time
[12:20] <cheguevara> cya
[12:20] <cheguevara> someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kmldonkey-kde4 please :P
[12:20] <Hobbsee> cya
[12:48] <RinTinTigger> Hey there :D
[12:49] <RinTinTigger> ^^
[12:49] <RinTinTigger> Anyone here?
[12:50] <ilia> cheguevara: Hi. Why do you ask me, whether startkde bug is fixed? I've only reported it and suggested a fix...
[15:43] <jjesse> morning
[15:43] <jjesse> for kde4 use the instructions on kubuntu.org or just install the kde4 stuff in the gutsy repo that is in adept?
[15:56] <blizzzek> jjesse: you better follow the instructions, they wouldn't be there if they are not reasonable ;)
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> stdin: these RC2 packages are great. thanks. no crashes or anything!
[18:02] <nixternal> oh, the crashes will come young jedi :)
[18:02] <nixternal> actually, Plasma doesn't crash on my svn build anymore, the whole system just freezes now :)
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: heh... i've given it a day and a half... and no problems
[18:04] <nixternal> mine could be because of building it on a headless box
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... running it over XDMCP has gotta do something to it.
[18:09] <nixternal> cry babies
[18:09] <nixternal> oops, wrong channel
[18:09] <jpatrick> haha
[18:09] <nixternal> hrmm, obviously I hit a key combo that "goes back to last channel"
[18:10] <nixternal> wonder what that combo is, cuz I kinda like it :)
[18:16]  * nosrednaekim discover ctrl+alt+L that way
[19:01] <mhb> hehe
[19:01] <mhb> our apps do never crash ... they freeze and BSOD the computer.
[19:27] <mhb> no Riddell?
[19:27] <mhb> we're all doomed!
[19:36] <nixternal> oh man...Kubuntu will fall apart w/o him
[19:36]  * nixternal starts to cry like they do in the movies when they find out their loved one left them
[19:36] <nixternal> NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
[19:36] <nixternal> why god why?
[19:36] <nixternal> :p
[19:38] <mhb> I guess we were not his type.
[19:38] <mhb> I'm sure we can be friends.
[19:38] <jjesse> nixternal: best way to get kde4 is to just the repos in guts main?
[19:38] <ScottK> Uh, what happened?
[19:38] <nixternal> jjesse: not the best way, but the easiest way
[19:38] <nixternal> mhb: hahahhahahahhahahahahah
[19:38] <jjesse> what are you tlak about jr ?
[19:39] <nixternal> jjesse: you forget how to speak or something? medication again? :p
[19:39] <jjesse> are the ones in gutsy main different then ones published on kubuntu.org?
[19:39] <nixternal> kubuntu.org probably has RC2 (3.97)
[19:39] <nixternal> unless they got backported to the Gutsy repos
[19:39] <jjesse> the kubuntu.org says rc2
[19:40] <mhb> ScottK: Riddell is leaving you and me... all of us.
[19:40] <ScottK> Urgh.
[19:40] <mhb> ScottK: he is packing his things in #kubuntu right now, so he's not here :o)
[19:40] <jjesse> riddell is leaving for what?
[19:40] <nixternal> Microsoft
[19:40] <nixternal> hahahah,fd-*@#)@)*
[19:40] <nixternal> I about fell out of my chair
[19:40] <ScottK> Is there a blog link or something?
[19:40] <RinTinTigger> Hey there fellows
[19:40] <nixternal> ScottK: no, we are just having fun
[19:41] <nixternal> since he disconnected or something
[19:41] <nixternal> howdy RinTinTigger
[19:41] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.  Thanks.
[19:41]  * ScottK is gullible today.
[19:41] <RinTinTigger> I have one problem that killes my nerves
[19:41] <jjesse> phew
[19:41] <rebugger> what to install for kde4? kde4base and its dependencies?
[19:41] <RinTinTigger> My ubuntu is disconnecting from the wlan network .... but irregular...after whatever minutes
[19:41] <jjesse> rebugger: there is an announcement on kubunttu.org that tells you
[19:41] <nixternal> ScottK: hahahahahah, at least I hope that's what happened :)
[19:42] <nixternal> RinTinTigger: broadcom wifi?
[19:42] <rebugger> jjesse: k,thx
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> !kde4 | rebugger
[19:42] <ubotu> rebugger: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[19:42] <nixternal> broadcom chipset that is
[19:42] <mhb> I'm just venting my negative experience by making fun of them, that's all.
[19:42] <RinTinTigger> yeah nixternal
[19:42] <RinTinTigger> can i do somethin about it?
[19:43] <nixternal> RinTinTigger: you can scour the help.ubuntu.com/community stuff for broadcom chipsets...I don't have that issue when using the ndiswrapper + drivers with my card
[19:43] <nixternal> but when using the kernel drivers I do
[19:44] <RinTinTigger> instead uf ndiswrapper i used FWCUTTER and the fwcutterbcm43xx driver package ^^
[19:59] <xRaich[o]2x> nixternal: Riddell is leaving? O_O
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> lol, whats a rumor
[20:01] <xRaich[o]2x> woooh thank god ^_^'
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: heh, I finally got RC2, its sweet!
[20:03] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: i did a complete switch on tuesday i just can't go back ^^
[20:04]  * xRaich[o]2x is thinking about writing a knetworkmanager replacement for kde4
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> neither can I....although I can't seem to get lockscreen working
[20:04] <nixternal> holy smoke mhb...if this gets started as a rumor, it is your fault :p
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: cool.
[20:05] <xRaich[o]2x> i just need some creative input ^^ and i need to get warm with "interview"
[20:05] <nosrednaekim> interview?
[20:06] <xRaich[o]2x> the data->modell->viewer concept of qt
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> oh....
[20:06] <xRaich[o]2x> id'd like to do a crossover of wlassistant and knetworkmanager
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> just... please.... make it less buggy than knetworkmanager
[20:07]  * xRaich[o]2x wants to write a buggy app ^^
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> ha
[20:07] <mhb> nixternal: he shouldn't have left here in the first place
[20:08] <mhb> nixternal: I'm not the one to blame, if other didn't say that phrase to me I wouldn't have to make fun of it! :o)
[20:08] <mhb> others
[20:08] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: and i still have to learn a lot about solid
[20:10] <xRaich[o]2x> or should i make it a plasmoid?
[20:11] <nixternal> hehe
[20:12] <ardchoille> ubuntulog: Crashing when up connect to msn?
[20:12] <ardchoille> s/up/you/
[20:12]  * nosredna_ekim is gonna kill whoever introduced that bug someday.
[20:41] <nixternal> updating qtjambi from 4.3.1 to 4.3.3 for all of you java hax0rs :p
[20:42] <Lure> ups, ENORIDDELL
[20:43] <Lure> even ENOHOBBSEE ;-)
[20:43] <mhb> Lure: reading the log?
[20:43] <Lure> mhb: ENOTIME ;-)
[20:44]  * Lure looks now
[20:44] <mhb> we were making fun of that a while ago.
[20:44] <mhb> 20:37 < mhb> I guess we were not his type.
[20:44] <mhb> 20:38 < mhb> I'm sure we can be friends.
[20:44] <Lure> mhb: he rarely drops off
[20:45] <Lure> imbrandon: can you +1 sync request for me? bug 176615
[20:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176615 in digikam "sync digikam 0.9.3~rc1-1 from debian/experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176615
[20:46] <Lure> imbrandon: it is easier if I ping kubuntu core-dev than ask ubuntu-main-sponsors
[20:47] <imbrandon> Lure: sure , one sec
[20:49] <Lure> imbrandon: thanks
[20:49] <imbrandon> Lure: done
[20:49] <imbrandon> np
[20:58] <nixternal> 14:58:00 [notice(SeenServ!SeenServ@services.)] Riddell is on IRC right now!
[20:58] <nixternal> he is in every channel but here :/
[21:00] <mhb> I knew it
[21:00] <mhb> he's dumping us.
[21:00] <nixternal> hahahaha
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> !
[21:00] <nixternal> 14:59:23 [ nixternal] Riddell: fancy joining #kubuntu-devel at all :) we miss you! :)
[21:00] <mhb> or maybe it's worse than that
[21:01] <mhb> maybe he's got another
[21:01] <mhb> Foresight or something
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> heh.... Riddell is in #kubuntu
[21:01] <mhb> you all flirt with that girl. :o)
[21:01] <nixternal> ya, after his disconnect earlier he never rejoined in here
[21:02] <mhb> nixternal: do you know what kind of panel does og use?
[21:02] <mhb> nixternal: on that planet screenshot of openbox.
[21:02] <nixternal> umm, he told me last night
[21:02] <nixternal> one sec
[21:03] <nixternal> mhb: pypanel
[21:04] <mhb> oky, I'll try it.
[21:04] <nixternal> he is going to pastebin his autostart.sh
[21:05] <allee> mhm, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153962   is universe not enabled during gutsy install.   This would explain the 'bug'
[21:05] <ubotu> KDE bug 153962 in mpegencoder "Dependency Error the package doesn't check for the presence of mpg123." [Normal,Resolved: invalid]
[21:05] <nixternal> allee: I know that problem
[21:06] <allee> as mpg123 is from uniserve
[21:06] <nixternal> I seen it during the install fest/ gutsy release
[21:06] <nixternal> sometimes during an install with gutsy, we noticed that a connection error would occur and cause it to #comment everything out in sources.list
[21:06] <nixternal> so that could be the problem
[21:07] <nixternal> mhb: http://foresightlinux.org/paste/2099/
[21:07] <allee> nixternal: ah, this I've seen too when I forgot to plug in the network cable
[21:07] <nixternal> I had the problem yesterday when I installed Gutsy on my one desktop
[21:07] <allee> but here all recommends were installed expect mpg123
[21:07] <nixternal> either a network hiccup happened that cuased it
[21:08] <nixternal> hrmm
[21:08] <allee> nixternal: is universe still disabled for gutsy  install (no orig sources.list at hand sorry)
[21:08] <nixternal> it is enabled by default with gutys
[21:08] <nixternal> gutsy
[21:08] <allee> sh*t
[21:10] <nixternal> sh*t is right...I just went all the way to the fridge for a snack, and forgot to bring it back with me...time to go back to the fridge :)
[21:10] <ardchoille> I've always felt that one of the things the installer (ubiquity?) should just after the install is complete is make backups of sources.list and xorg.conf
[21:10] <ardchoille> Since the is a high probability that new users will edit those files
[21:11] <nixternal> or if you edit sources.list with Adept or Synaptic, have it make a backup
[21:11] <nixternal> like xserver-xorg during a dpkg-reconfigure
[21:11] <ardchoille> Right, but many new users end up editing with kdesudo kate
[21:12] <ardchoille> Just my opinion
[21:12] <nixternal> but now though, people who are going to edit their sources.list usually know what they are doing, because we have since included everything by default, people really don't have a reason to edit their sources.list
[21:12] <ardchoille> That's a good point
[21:12] <mhb> thanks.
[21:13] <nixternal> but it is a point from a developers standpoint and not really a new users standpoint...however at the same time, one thing I don't see bugs or trouble tickets for, is sources.list...so it isn't like hte days of old where people were using that sources.list maker that Seveas was running (iirc)
[21:14] <ardchoille> However, I have seen knowledgable people in #kubuntu guide new users through editing those two files but fail to mention backups
[21:14]  * nosrednaekim does a dumb grin and hides under arock
[21:14] <nixternal> maybe create or edit a wiki page for sources.list and have !sources point at it?
[21:14] <nixternal> !sources
[21:14] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[21:14] <ardchoille> Well, I'm guiltyof that too
[21:14] <nixternal> !EasySource
[21:14] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[21:14] <nixternal> there it is, source-o-matic
[21:14] <nixternal> totally not needed anymore
[21:15] <ardchoille> I feel easysource is very much needed, it's one of the places I send users to when they mess their sources.list and didn't make a backup
[21:16] <nixternal> good point
[21:16] <nixternal> or how about attaching a default sources.list to a wiki page and send them to it to download?
[21:16] <ardchoille> That'l work
[21:16] <ardchoille> But make that wiki page immutable?
[21:16] <nixternal> or add one to the pastebin and have !sources say "hey there is a default on here if you fubarred yours"
[21:16] <ardchoille> I don't want joe smith adding automatix to it
[21:16] <nixternal> hahahahahah
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> heh
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> or rather "123.45.76.100"
[21:19] <ardchoille> One of the first things I do after a new install is backup xorg.conf, sources.list and menu.lst
[21:19] <ardchoille> Doesn't take up much disk space and can save a lot of time and frustration
[21:22] <Lure> imbrandon: if you have time for another ACK (this one is simple sync): bug 176620
[21:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176620 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.5~beta1-3 from debian/experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176620
[21:30] <allee> mhh, question is if universe is used during a standard installation.    MAYBE (wild guess)  only recommends from main are considered.    At least mpg123 and sane-utils the two universe recommends of kipi-plugins were not installed here too
[21:30] <allee> Hi Riddell
[21:30] <allee> [22:28] --> Mez has joined this channel (n=mez@torpor.sourceguru.net).
[21:30] <allee> [22:30] <allee> mhh, question is if universe is used during a standard installation.    MAYBE (wild guess)  only recommends from main are considered.    At least mpg123 and sane-utils the two universe recommends of kipi-plugins were not installed here too
[21:31] <allee> Riddell: question for the seed expert ^^ :)
[21:31] <nixternal> welcome back Riddell :)  we (mhb really, nobody else) started rumors you had left :p
[21:32] <Riddell> universe won't be used
[21:32] <iRon> Riddell: Hi! I have some progress on "User Hard Disk Mounting" task.. And I need some advice..
[21:32] <Riddell> nixternal: irssi decided to reconnect and didn't identify my nick
[21:32] <iRon> On wiki page it suggested to use kdesudo,
[21:32] <allee> Riddell: thx
[21:32] <nixternal> Riddell: hehe, ya, but it was still fun to watch some gullable people wince at the possibility :)
[21:33] <mhb> Riddell: good evening, I'm so glad the rumors are not true! :o)
[21:33] <nixternal> not just you ScottK :p
[21:33] <iRon> but for me it is not right.. may it would be better to implement this with the help of PolicyKit ?
[21:33] <nixternal> hahaha mhb
[21:35] <Riddell> iRon: policy kit is complex and nothing in KDE 3 uses it (or kde 4 yet), I don't think this is a good place to start using it
[21:35] <Riddell> in therory it's the right thing to do, but just because of the complexity and because this will have to be redone for KDE 4 (which uses solid and will be entirely different) we just want to go with a quick fix
[21:36] <iRon> but dbus-send will not helped us with disks, which are in /etc/fstab.. hal mount not allowed this.
[21:36] <iRon> it works only for disks which are not in /etc/fstab
[21:38] <iRon> so, as a quick fix i could only call /bin/mount directly..
[21:38] <iRon> and this is not good..
[21:39] <Riddell> iRon: I'm pretty sure dbus-send will work
[21:40] <Riddell> iRon: that came from talking to the guy who did this for gnome
[21:40] <Riddell> iRon: did you look at the patch in gnome-mount (I admit I havn't)
[21:40] <Riddell> ?
[21:40] <Riddell> calling hal via dbus will do the right thing in terms of mount points
[21:40] <Lure> Riddell: can you ack bug 176620 ?
[21:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176620 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.5~beta1-3 from debian/experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176620
[21:40] <Riddell> mhb: I'm here to stay baby
[21:41] <mhb> Riddell: that's great, I wish other people in my life were like you
[21:41] <mhb> :o)
[21:41] <Riddell> Lure: done
[21:41] <mhb> ooh, I wish having a gf as skilled as jr is :o)
[21:42] <Lure> Riddell: thanks, will now hunt Hobbsee for archive powers (not to overload you) ;-)
[21:43] <iRon> Riddell: sure, i dig gnome patches.. they realy calls dbus.. but if it is not in /etc/fstab. if device is in /etc/fstab they calls directly /bin/mount.
[21:43] <allee> is there an easy way  to install all Recommends of all installed pkgs?  (As during install recommends of universe pkgs are ignored )
[21:43] <iRon> Riddell: and in the latest gnome-mount they've removed this and implemented this feature with PolicyKit.
[21:44] <jjesse> grumble, installed kde4 following the directions, now when i login my screen flashes, goes dark and brings me back to my login screen
[21:45] <Lure> jjesse: gutsy or hardy?
[21:45] <iRon> Riddell: i've tested dbus-send with device listed in /etc/fstab. it doesn't works. i could give you a sample dbus-send command.
[21:45] <jjesse> Lure: gutsy followin ghte instructions on kubuntu.org
[21:45] <Nightrose> jjesse: i had the same problem a few hours ago - nosredeakim knew the trick
[21:46] <jjesse> do you remember what is was?
[21:46] <Nightrose> you have to "touch .kde4/share/config/kdeconfig" IIRC
[21:46] <Nightrose> that did it for me
[21:46] <jjesse> ok trying brb
[21:47] <Riddell> iRon: ok
[21:48] <iRon> Riddell: so? :) PolicyKit ?
[21:49] <jjesse> that did it
[21:49] <jjesse> thaknks :)
[21:49] <Nightrose> yw ;-)
[21:49] <Riddell> iRon: if it works and it's not hard, sure
[21:49] <Riddell> iRon: I don't know what's involved, I guess it's just calling the right dbus bits
[21:50] <iRon> Riddell: yep.. it's just dbus calls
[21:50] <nixternal> Riddell: attempting to update Jambi to 4.3.3
[21:50] <Riddell> nixternal: ooh, cool
[21:51] <Riddell> iRon: pitti is the guy who does this on the gnome side, so we can check with him if it turns out complex
[21:51] <Riddell> I don't think he's about this weekend though
[21:51] <iRon> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[21:52] <jjesse> hrmm now i gotta figure out multiple desktops in kde4
[21:53] <Riddell> jjesse: I don't think plama has a way of changing
[21:53] <Riddell> except moving a window to a different desktop with right click then choosing that window
[21:54] <Riddell> hi jjesse
[21:54] <Riddell> hi jembouge
[21:54] <jembouge> hi
[21:55] <jjesse> hello riddell
[21:56] <jjesse> i just sent something to desktop 2 by right clicking it and it went to desktop 2
[21:56] <Riddell> that's what I ment
[21:56] <Riddell> but there's no direct desktop changer
[21:56] <jjesse> oh i see now
[21:57] <jjesse> btw how are you?  been super busy with work so haven't had a chance to be online
[21:58] <Riddell> had to spend the day with my in-lwas
[22:00] <sebas> That doesn't sound like a deliberate thing.
[22:00] <Riddell> they just turned up
[22:00] <jjesse> that stinks
[22:00] <mhb> well in-lwas are good, wait til you have to me the in-lvalues.
[22:00] <mhb> meet.
[22:01]  * mhb shuts up.
[22:01] <nixternal> hehe
[22:01] <jjesse> stinks that they just showed up
[22:01]  * nixternal wonders why -Xlint:unchecked needs to be added to the javac line in debian/rules for 4.3.3 and not for 4.3.1
[22:02] <cheguevara> huh does kde4 still not work if you don't have .kde4
[22:02] <Riddell> it should do (live CD works fine, and I never made it there)
[22:03] <nixternal> speaking of LiveCD..I need to grab one for tomorrows Packaging Jam
[22:03] <cheguevara> my upload yesterday (ubuntu6) should've fixed it
[22:03] <nixternal> has it finished building already?
[22:03] <cheguevara> i had it in my updates in the morning
[22:03] <cheguevara> but thats i386
[22:04] <nixternal> hrmm
[22:04] <nixternal> well if the patch didn't apply, the build would have crashed out
[22:04] <jjesse> nixternal: got to run across o'hare airport yesterday to catch my flight... and my luggage just arrived 5 minutes ago
[22:04] <nixternal> gotta love o'hare
[22:04] <nixternal> it is closed down right now
[22:04] <nixternal> let it snow let it snow let it snow
[22:04] <hads> Is KMail broken in 3.5.7enterprise20071207-1ubuntu1 or is it just my system?
[22:05] <cheguevara> i386 and amd64 built
[22:05] <cheguevara> hppa and spart left, but i am sure those will fail :P
[22:05] <cheguevara> *sparc
[22:07] <jjesse> wow glad i didn't fly today then
[22:08] <cheguevara> can someone review my kmldonkey-kde4 please btw :P
[22:10] <cheguevara> am off for a bit
[22:15] <nixternal> ouch....building kdepim for kde4 and qt-jambi at the same time == sloooooooooooowwwwwwww
[22:21] <iRon> Riddell: i just figured out, that PolicyKit doesn't helped with disks in /etc/fstab.. so we must call /bin/mount for this reason.. so i could use kdesudo in both cases to call dbus-send and to call mount.
[22:25] <Lure> hads: what is your problem with kmail?
[22:25] <hads> Lure: seg fault on startup, just wondering if it was only me
[22:26] <Lure> hads: works w/o problems here (dimap and pop3)
[22:26] <hads> Lure: Thanks.
[22:26] <Lure> hads: maybe some config file problem
[22:27] <hads> Yeah, I'll try moving them out of the way.
[22:27] <Lure> can you open bug and provide stack trace (but install kdepim-dbg before)
[22:27] <nixternal> hrmm, has anyone had issues building kde4 kdepim from svn?
[22:28] <nixternal> /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqld.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[22:28] <hads> Lure: Sure, one moment.
[22:28] <Riddell> iRon: actually its disks not in fstab which are the major issue
[22:28] <Riddell> iRon: disks in fstab we assume someone or something already knows what they're doing
[22:30] <iRon> Riddell: i see
[22:31] <Lure> interesting: compiz/ubuntu works on old desktop, kde4 kwin effects do not... :-(
[22:31] <jjesse> bummer
[22:31] <sebas> Lure: bko
[22:32] <Lure> sebas: will install kde4 from svn tommorow (just quick rc2 live cd test for now)
[22:33] <sebas> Lure: Okay
[22:33] <sebas> It's great, btw.
[22:34] <Lure> sebas: yep, just waiting for fglrx to support my main laptop's firegl
[22:34] <sebas> Eeh.
[22:34] <sebas> New driver should be out soon, no?
[22:34]  * sebas is running fglrx + kwin compo
[22:35] <Lure> sebas: they said in a month around a month ago ;-)
[22:35] <sebas> A bit high CPU usage, but I can switch off composite when off-AC
[22:35] <Lure> sebas: will try new ati+atombios tonight, but I doubt this will be enough
[22:35] <sebas> Dunno
[22:37] <Lure> another intesting point (for Riddell): suse kde4 live cd blocks desktop effects (as my HW does not support XRender/XDamage), while kubuntu kde4 live cd allows desktop effects to be enabled, but then I get just white screen with a shade where the windows were
[22:38] <Riddell> sounds like suse not sending code upstream
[22:38] <Lure> it may be suse's X server/driver is older/newer than kubuntu's, but it would be nice to know were the diff comes from
[22:39] <Lure> Riddell: I would be supprised if they would develop own patches out of kde4 tree (at least not before release)
[22:39] <Riddell> Lure: probably need to ask seli
[22:40] <Lure> anyway, I hope things at work will cool off a bit now, so I can dive more into kde4 stuff, so that I can report bugs before release
[22:40] <Lure> or fix (would be even better ;-))
[22:42] <Riddell> nixternal: could you check over and publish that quickies story
[22:43] <nixternal> Riddell: sure
[22:45] <mhb> nixternal: nixie, my boy, could you please not update that "several days to KDE" planet post? It seems planet puts it on top again when it gets updated.
[22:50] <nixternal> mhb: I did that purposely
[22:50] <nixternal> and I will continue doing it every day since they did that crap for gnome :)
[22:50] <nixternal> just my way of saying "WOOHOO!" :)
[22:51] <hads> Lure: How does kdepim-dbg work? I can't get a decent stack trace just running kmail with gdb
[22:51] <Riddell> nixternal: 22:45 < Bille_home> Riddell: don't post the memory story, you know it stinks :(
[22:51] <Lure> hads: just install kdepim-dbg, then reproduce the crash and you should get kde crash collector
[22:51] <Lure> hads: no need for gdb
[22:51] <nixternal> Riddell: right as I hit process
[22:52] <hads> Lure: I don't get that far, just a "Segmentation fault"
[22:52] <Lure> hads: interesting... and no message to screen when started from Konsole?
[22:53] <hads> Nope, that is starting from Konsole.
[22:53] <nixternal> whew, I think I actually stopped it for going through Riddell...i will edit that out
[22:56] <mhb> nixternal: you really believe they are going to release it this time? :o)
[22:56] <nixternal> yup
[22:57] <hads> Hmm, a bt in gdb shows it doing stuff with /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libsolid.so.4
[22:59] <nixternal> Riddell: posted w/o the memory story :)
[23:03] <Lure> hads: are you sure you start kde3 version?
[23:04] <hads> Lure: I thought so, /usr/bin/kmail which is from the kmail package.
[23:05] <Lure> hads: it is really strange that kde4 /solid is loaded
[23:05] <Lure> hads: is it possible that you ran kde4 version before w/o changing KDEHOME to ~/.kde4 (it might have changed your kde3 config files)
[23:06] <hads> Hmm, that's a possibility.
[23:06] <hads> I thought it would be my fault somehow :)
[23:14] <hads> How odd, I removed the kde4 packages and it works again.
[23:18] <Lure> hads: that is strange - it may be some .desktop file installed at wrong place (plugins/service menu)
[23:20] <bobesponja> hey
[23:20] <bobesponja> I get "Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" when I start kde4 rc2
[23:20] <bobesponja> any idea what's wrong?
[23:22] <bobesponja> k, I installed cyrillix fonts, now I just get this error: Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 625 in ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c
[23:23] <hads> Lure: Well, I just installed the kde4 packages again and KMail is still working. Not sure what the issue was but it appears to have fixed itself.
[23:23] <hads> Lure: Thanks for your assistance anyway.
[23:24] <Lure> hads: np
[23:25] <bobesponja> Lure: any idea about mine? ^^ :)
[23:26]  * Lure does not have a clue about fonts (unless we are talking about dpi vs. pt.) ;-)
[23:26] <Lure> bobesponja: kdrive sound suspicious though
[23:26] <Lure> isn't kdrive like X server replacement or something?
[23:27] <bobesponja> I'm using Xephyr
[23:28] <Lure> bobesponja: it might be something in you xorg.conf that confuses Xephyr
[23:28] <Lure> bobesponja: but note that this are all "wild guesses" ;-)
[23:30] <bobesponja> Lure: it used to work with RC1, don't know if there was any update of Xephyr or xorg in the meanwhile
[23:33] <uga> Lure: kdrive was (is) an accelerated X server for embedded devices
[23:33] <uga> intended to be small
[23:34] <uga> xrender stuff, iirc
[23:34] <Lure> uga: yes, right. thanks for pointing out