[01:52] <yogi> when will kernel+modules 2.6.24 land in hardy archives?
[01:52] <yogi> I see the kernel, but no corresponding linux-ubuntu-modules package
[02:04] <mohkohn> Is anyone using virtualbox-ose with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[02:12] <jkimball4> how does one fix stuff which is normally found in xorg.conf if it no longer exists?
[02:16] <mohkohn> Is anyone using virtualbox-ose with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[02:39] <mohkohn> Is anyone using virtualbox-ose with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[03:01] <mohkohn> does Hardy have a new virtualbox-ose package to match the new kernel?
[03:30] <DrUnKnMuNkY> anyone else had problems with openoffice? mine decided to remove itself when i was updating packages on apt. seems to conflict with the newest version of libhsqldb-java
[03:45] <mohkohn> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
[03:45] <mohkohn> oops sorry. wrong window!
[03:49] <jkimball4> how do I change xorg.conf settings without an xorg.conf being available?
[04:02] <vorian> jkimball4, what do you mean by not available?
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> vorian, he means "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> is returning a not installed
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> i've seen that before
[04:04] <vorian> ah
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> that is my best guess
[04:06] <jkimball4> vorian: in /etc/X11 there isn't an xorg.conf file
[04:06] <jkimball4> haven't tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:06] <vorian> yah, give that a shot :)
[04:07] <jkimball4> it doesn't return a message about not being installed.  it wants to detect stuff.
[04:07] <jkimball4> I just want to stick some touchpad options in xorg.conf--not go through the whole spiel
[04:09] <jkimball4> vorian, nomasteryoda: any ideas aside from going through the reconfigure process?
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> jkimball4, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg?
[04:10] <jkimball4> 'tis already installed.  this is a fresh install w/ updates of hardy
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> then it might work
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> right
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> that is a dev version
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> see the topic?
[04:10] <jkimball4> well, yes, this is #ubuntu+1
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:10] <jkimball4> so there is supposed to be an xorg.conf, just this particular revision doesn't have it.  sound right?
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> i would query apt-cache for xserver
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> and install the one closest to your hardware
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> like -intel i have to use
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> ya in fact, the Gutsy can work without one
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> from what I hear
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> its "unbreakable" X
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> but that is not exactly the right name
[04:13] <Dr_willis> bullet-proof X
[04:13] <Dr_willis> ?
[05:22] <Twigman> Hi Guys
[05:22] <Twigman> Is there a problem with the openoffice packages at the moment?
[05:23] <Twigman> I've only got 2.3.0 in any repo I look at, and it conflicts with libhsqldb-java 1.8.0.9-2
[06:41] <DanaG> Hmm, apt-zeroconf doesn't want to work on a new Hardy upgrade.
[06:42] <DanaG> NO module named aptzeroconf.
[06:43] <DanaG> or "unable to guess signature from an empty list"
[06:44] <DanaG> Oh, and what are the default permissions on /var/crash?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~% ls -la /var/crash                               5:46PM
[06:46] <Hobbsee> total 8560
[06:46] <Hobbsee> drwxrwxrwt  2 root  root     4096 2007-12-12 22:36 .
[06:46] <Hobbsee> drwxr-xr-x 15 root  root     4096 2007-10-16 09:31 ..
[06:46] <Hobbsee> -rw-------  1 sarah sarah 8737640 2007-12-08 01:02 _usr_lib_thunderbird_thunderbird-bin.1000.crash
[06:46] <Hobbsee> DanaG: ^
[06:47] <DanaG> Thanks.
[06:47] <DanaG> How do you chmod to get the 't'?
[06:48] <DanaG> oh, +t
[06:48] <DanaG> silly me.
[06:51]  * Hobbsee wonders why her printer insists on printing letter-sized printouts
[06:53] <DanaG> Now if only I could figure out why apt-zeroconf doesn't work.
[06:53] <DanaG> It installs only to python2.4 site-packages, but even if I run it with python2.4, it gets the other error.
[06:57] <DanaG> Yet it works on my other system, somehow.
[07:02] <DanaG> Aaaah: the working one has apt-zeroconf 0.3rc4.
[07:02] <DanaG> The broken is 0.4.
[07:17] <DanaG> Aaah, aoarnir us aksi bkicjubg ut,'
[07:17] <DanaG> gaack, typing blind.
[07:17] <DanaG> I meant to say,
[07:17] <DanaG> Aaah, AppArmor is blocking it.
[07:20] <DanaG> And my newer laptop (that has had Hardy for longer) doesn't have that installed.
[07:24] <DanaG> Once apt-zeroconf becomes packaged, I guess I'll file a bug report then.
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the old laptop has bad blocks that it sometimes stalls on; how do you get the system to relocate data out of those bad blocks?
[07:44] <Twigman> Hey DanaG: Do you have the same problem as me with openoffice at the moment? I can't install it because of broken packages. Still only have 2.3.0 in the repos..
[07:47] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll look again at that system.
[07:51] <DanaG> But I really need to do a badblocks check on that hard drive -- but I can't ever unmount the root!
[07:52] <Twigman> hehehe
[07:52] <Twigman> you can't run badblocks with root readony?
[07:52] <Twigman> ie.. mount -o remount /
[07:52] <DanaG> I'll try that
[07:53] <Twigman> btw.. relocating data should just happen with fsck I *think*
[07:53] <Twigman> you'll need to either give it permission, or run 'yes' into it: yes | fsck......
[07:53] <Twigman> but only do that if things are so broken that you don't care if you break them more..
[07:54] <DanaG> It still says "can cause severe filesystem damage" even when ro.
[07:55] <DanaG> Eeh, I guess there are two forms of badblock checks: read-only and nondestructive-read-write
[07:55] <DanaG> The former is runnable while mounted RO.
[07:55] <Twigman> hmm..
[07:56] <Twigman> well.. your kernel will probably get a little annoyed by a filesystem changing that is mounted..
[07:57] <Twigman> but: The only other way is to boot off some other media and run fsck from there, or only boot so far. You can pass /bin/bash as your 'init' to grub: init=/bin/bash
[07:57] <Twigman> then you can do stuff.. but you'll need to mount media with fsck in it..
[07:58] <Twigman> and.. make sure you mount proc if you do: mount -t proc /proc /proc
[07:58] <DanaG> Oh, and for some reason, it's not giving a progress bar.
[07:59] <Twigman> argh.. I've gotta go..
[08:00] <Twigman> if you get a chance to check whether you can install openoffice or not that'd be handy..
[08:00] <Twigman> just leave me a message if you do..
[08:00] <Twigman> See ya!
[08:00]  * Twigman is away
[08:00] <DanaG> Okay.
[08:41] <DanaG> Hmm, openoffice upgraded fine for me.
[10:01] <pvandewyngaerde> i cant see any flash sites anymore
[10:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> pvandewyngaerde: i was having trouble with gnash. i got rid of it and i'm only using the nonfree flash player now and everything started working again
[10:05] <DrUnKnMuNkY> sudo apt-get remove gnash was all i had to do
[10:08] <pvandewyngaerde> hmm, i could indeed have some gnash  issues
[14:01] <void^> it's a little sad how things like bug #27109 are still not fixed in upstream
[14:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 27109 in nautilus "nautilus uses 100% cpu after closing a ssh session" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27109
[14:58]  * TuX_Claudiu :: [ amaroK playing  Jan Wayne - Because The Night (Highstreet Allstars extended mix) ] :: [ 208kbps ] :: [ 68:28 of 75:32 ] ::
[16:27] <theunixgeek> I'm in Ubuntu. I installed all the GNUstep packages, but ProjectCenter.app doesn't launch. What do I do?
[16:27] <theunixgeek> Hardy Heron :P
[17:46] <DanaG> Heh, my CPU is reporting 10 C as its core temperature.
[17:46] <DanaG> Just woken from suspend, in a cold room.
[17:46] <DanaG> Room is 65 F.
[17:51] <rsk> maybe hell froze over
[17:51] <DanaG> Naah.
[18:07] <DanaG> Okay.... THAT was random.
[18:07] <DanaG> PC speaker worked once after resume, but then once I changed my mixer volume, it broke again.
[18:12] <DanaG> Oh, and I can't seem to move the 'beep' to a different audio device in PulseAudio.
[18:13] <rsk> maybe it's hardcoded in the module
[18:13] <DanaG> It seems to be random sometimes.
[18:14] <DanaG> It doesn't even respect the "Default sink" option
[18:32] <pvandewyngaerde> anyone else having problems with flash ?
[18:32] <rsk> yes
[18:32] <rsk> it's darn slow after the upgrade
[18:33] <pvandewyngaerde> i dont see anything at all, i am running Kubuntu  64
[18:33] <pvandewyngaerde> even the ubuntu install wizard says its allready installed
[18:34] <pvandewyngaerde> and in combination with KDE4.svn and FireFox-3.0 i have a totally messed up system
[18:38] <hwilde> !flash | pvandewyngaerde
[18:38] <ubotu> pvandewyngaerde: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[18:48] <pvandewyngaerde> its a problem with the flashplugin-nonfree package
[18:48] <rsk> yes
[18:52]  * Dannilion tries and thinks of a way of wording this bug report so it makes sense
[18:52] <pvandewyngaerde> i'll make my own setup in /opt
[19:00] <pvandewyngaerde> it has something to do with  "error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory "
[19:02] <albert23> pvandewyngaerde: you can install libpcre.so.3 and libpcre.so.3.12.1 from the libpcre3 32 bit package in /usr/lib32. I had to do that this morning as well
[19:06] <DanaG> Okay, KDE4 starts, but it's not very good, in my opinion.
[19:07] <DanaG> Right-clicking the taskbar toggles whatever's the rightmost button, even if it's not visibly at where you're clicking.
[19:07] <pvandewyngaerde> its only the beginning of the platform,  everything is .0.0 version
[19:07] <DanaG> And right-clicking anywhere else on the panel does absolutely nothing at all.
[19:07] <DanaG> And Plasmids have "mystery meat" buttons with no tooltips to tell you what they do.
[19:10] <pvandewyngaerde> DanaG: its completely new code @ .0.0.0.0 version,  will shape up later, by 4.1 version or so
[19:10] <DanaG> aah.
[19:10] <DanaG> Well, for now, I'm logging out and going back into Gnome.
[19:10] <pvandewyngaerde> i have libpcre 7.4-0ubuntu0.7.10  installed
[19:12] <DanaG> yay.
[19:12] <pvandewyngaerde> hmm, its more recent than the one listed on packages.ubuntu.com for hardy
[19:12] <albert23> pvandewyngaerde: that will be the 64 bit version. nspluginwrapper needs the 32 bit version
[19:12] <DanaG> Oh, and I tested apt-zeroconf.  Version 0.3~rc4 works, but 0.4 doesn't.
[19:12] <DanaG> And 0.3~rc4 runs right smack dab into apparmor somehow.
[19:12] <Dr_willis> !info apt-zeroconf
[19:13] <ubotu> Package apt-zeroconf does not exist in hardy
[19:13] <Dr_willis> :) darn it. heh heh
[19:13] <DanaG> Not packaged for Ubuntu yet.
[19:15] <hwilde> there is pulseaudio-module-zerocon
[19:15] <DanaG> http://trac.phidev.info/trac/wiki/AptZeroconf
[19:16] <DanaG> Oh, and PulseAudio is still not ideal: have you tried streaming audio from one PC to (switching between) different audio devices on a different PC?
[19:16] <DanaG> http://trac.phidev.info/trac/wiki/AptZeroconf
[19:16] <DanaG> oops, I already pasted that.
[19:17] <DanaG> The PulseAudio stream dies when you try to use either of the two systems's "pavucontrol" apps to move the strem.
[19:17] <DanaG> stream.
[19:17]  * hwilde blank stare
[19:18] <pvandewyngaerde> albert23:  thank you very much, it works now
[19:18] <albert23> pvandewyngaerde: no problem
[19:24] <pvandewyngaerde> DanaG: i'm switching to KDE4 now, you wont see me quit or leave because i am running a irssi proxy in screen which i connect to with my GUI irc app
[19:26] <DanaG> That's an interesting idea.
[19:27] <pvandewyngaerde> back in kde4
[19:27] <pvandewyngaerde> it is indeed, and with a bitlbee session i am also connected to MSN/gmail-IM
[19:28] <pvandewyngaerde> through IRC
[19:29] <DanaG> I wonder if I could run that on my dd-wrt router...
[19:30] <pvandewyngaerde> if you dont want it to log the channels, or if you log remote
[19:31] <kbrooks> pvandewyngaerde, irssi proxy?
[19:32] <pvandewyngaerde> yes, irssi connects to the server,  and then acts as a server for another client
[19:32] <DanaG> How do you deal with logging?
[19:33] <pvandewyngaerde> if you dont want it, turn it of
[19:33] <DanaG> But I do like logging/
[19:33] <DanaG> .
[19:34] <pvandewyngaerde> well, my GUI client is logging when i am connected
[19:36] <pvandewyngaerde> i installed the proxy because kde4 was crashing sometimes, and i switch sessions a lot, and i didn't want to flood irc
[21:46] <DanaG>  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";	
[21:46] <DanaG> trying to compile virtualbox driver.
[21:47] <bardyr> DanaG, export CC=gcc-4.1
[21:47] <bardyr> or .2 cant remember what compiler is used for the gutsy kernel
[22:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing I'd reeeeally like to see:
[22:07] <DanaG> Try Fedora 8 and notice the time-varying wallpaper.
[22:07] <DanaG> That's what I'd like to see.  It's reeeeally nice.
[22:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, fix for vboxdrv:
[22:07] <DanaG> http://vbox.innotek.de/pipermail/vbox-users/2007-October/002372.html