[01:13] <Jack_Sparrow> [17:09] <sleepcat> NetLarIrvine: if you're having trouble with ubuntu, you may try Solaris 10.  It is a bit easier to get going
[01:18] <somerville32> What is the factoid about compiling your own drivers?
[01:22] <LjL> hm
[01:23] <LjL> can't find any
[01:23] <LjL> there is of course !kernel
[01:23] <LjL> but no generic factoid about module assistant
[01:23] <LjL> there's this
[01:23] <LjL> !alsa-source
[01:23] <ubotu> Want to use alsa 0.11? Grab and install http://archive.progeny.com/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.11-2_all.deb, install linux-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant and build-essential and run sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source
[01:25] <stdin> hmm, isn't that a bit old now?
[01:25] <LjL> no idea
[01:25] <LjL> it's the only factoid mentioning module-assistant
[01:26] <stdin> well gutsy has 1.0.14-1ubuntu2 so it seems a bit out of date
[01:26] <ardchoille> Gutsy here: alsa-base-1.0.14-1ubuntu2
[01:27] <ardchoille> stdin types faster than I do :/
[01:27] <LjL> well who cares about that factoid anyway
[01:27] <LjL> but perhaps we should have one about using module-assistant
[01:28] <LjL> can't find much on the wiki either
[01:29] <stdin> me either
[01:31] <stdin> all I can find is a spec for module-assistant
[01:31] <LjL> the one to run it automatically after kernel updates?
[01:32] <stdin> yeah
[01:36] <LjL> !modules
[01:36] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u »
[01:37] <LjL> !-modules
[01:37] <ubotu> modules is <alias> blacklist - added by LjL on 2007-01-26 02:51:55
[01:37] <LjL> !no modules is <reply> To compile modules and drivers that are not bundled with the standard !kernel, install the relevant package, usually called "<modulename>-source", and run « sudo module-assistant » (you will have to do this again after kernel updates). To prevent specific modules from loading, see !blacklist
[01:37] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[01:38] <somerville32> troll in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:39] <somerville32> LjL, Maybe he should be klined? He is just trolling channels at random it seems
[01:41] <LjL> #perv...
[01:41] <LjL> how many channels i didn't know the existence of, and am glad i don't, i wonder
[01:41] <somerville32> yea, pretty freaky
[01:41] <elkbuntu> how on earth did you find that one
[01:42] <LjL> i didn't, this sam troll just mentioned it on #teensonlinux
[01:43] <LjL> ouch i just couldn't resist
[01:44]  * somerville32 doesn't want to know what LjL just gave into :P
[01:44] <LjL> somerville32: that little comment on #teens
[01:45] <somerville32> haha
[01:45]  * somerville32 nods.
[01:46] <ubotu> MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu (motherlode)
[01:47] <ubotu> nickrud called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[01:47] <LjL> done
[01:48] <nalioth> LjL: klined
[01:48] <LjL> yeah, saw him in #gentoo :|
[02:50] <LjL> ardchoille: client coming for you
[02:51] <ardchoille> LjL: ?
[02:51] <LjL> ardchoille, unless i'm mistaken and "ardachcile" is someone else, but i doubt it
[02:52] <LjL> perhaps he won't come
[02:52] <LjL> anyway FYI
[02:52] <ardchoille> LjL: I'm confused
[02:52] <LjL> #ubuntu:
[02:52] <LjL> [03:50:06] <nonoo> unban me from #kubuntu someone
[02:52] <LjL> [03:50:10] <nonoo> ardachcile is a faggit
[02:52] <ardchoille> in #kubuntu? or PM?
[02:52] <LjL> [03:50:36] <LjL> nonoo: #ubuntu-ops
[02:53] <ardchoille> The only ban I have set was atwo
[02:53] <ardchoille> You remember him?
[02:53] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, it's completly concivable they've changed nick a few times to try get back in
[02:53] <LjL> something we'll find out as soon as the bantracker loads
[02:53] <LjL> which is probably tomorrow
[02:54] <ardchoille> according to /whois, that's him
[02:54] <ardchoille> elkbuntu: Yeah
[02:54] <LjL> it is indeed
[02:55] <LjL> i don't think he should join #ubuntu again, either, seeing his eagerness to call people names
[02:55] <ardchoille> He was causing trouble, cursing, general bad attitude, disrespect to other, disregarding channel rules.. he had many warning from several ops. I finally got tired of it and banned him.
[02:55] <LjL> now he's atwo1
[02:56] <LjL> don't think he has a clue how to get a different address, though, so let him change nicknames as he likes
[02:56] <elkbuntu> that 'realname' he has set is ringing bells
[02:56] <LjL> it is?
[02:57] <ardchoille> he started out as atwo1, got banned from a channel, changed nicks to atwo and now he is nonoo
[02:57] <ardchoille> Sounds of ban evasion to me.
[02:57] <elkbuntu> yeah, but i have no clue who it's a reminder of
[02:57] <LjL> no, he's atwo1 again now
[02:57] <LjL> anyway, he's certainly attempted ban evasion, but will hardly manage it
[02:57] <elkbuntu> but i know he's not the first troll to use that realname
[02:58] <LjL> elkbuntu, i'm grepping logs, but i can't remember
[02:58] <elkbuntu> LjL, so it's familiar to you too?
[02:59] <LjL> no, not really, but perhaps there's something in the logs
[02:59] <ardchoille> Where is the ban tracker?
[02:59] <ardchoille> Do I have access to it?
[02:59] <LjL> ardchoille, nope, you currently don't have access to it, we'll need seveas
[03:00] <ardchoille> I should ask him to give me access
[03:00] <LjL> the only Pandemonium i have is on march 25, nickname (not realname), not kicked or banned
[03:00] <elkbuntu> his presence is somewhat required, so you could be waiting a while
[03:01] <ardchoille> No problem, I can wait :)
[03:04] <elkbuntu> LjL, i cant find it in my logs either, but im starting to think the server tab doesnt get logged in xchat
[03:05] <stdin> it does, probably ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs/Ubuntu\ Servers-.log
[03:08] <stdin> more like ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs/Ubuntu\ Servers-ubuntu\ servers.log  actually
[03:08] <elkbuntu> aaah... there it hides
[03:10] <stdin> odd naming scheme though
[03:11] <elkbuntu> aaaaaaaha!
[03:12] <ardchoille> elkbuntu: >
[03:12] <elkbuntu> all i needed to do was grep all my ubuntu logs:
[03:12] <ardchoille> ?
[03:12] <elkbuntu> Jul 11 01:07:00 *       pandemonium (n=pandemon@p3EE020E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #ubuntu
[03:12] <elkbuntu> Jul 11 01:07:10 <pandemonium>   hez
[03:12] <elkbuntu> Jul 11 01:07:12 <pandemonium>   hez
[03:12] <elkbuntu> Jul 11 01:07:20 <pandemonium>   hey....whats up here
[03:12] <elkbuntu> Jul 11 01:08:08 *       pandemonium has quit (Client Quit)
[03:12] <ardchoille> What did you find?
[03:12] <elkbuntu> i remember that now
[03:13] <elkbuntu> this is proof of how obscure my brain works
[03:15] <elkbuntu> LjL, i was thinking of what you found
[03:15] <elkbuntu> actually no, it's a different one
[03:16] <elkbuntu> the pandemonium person above also had connection issues on aug 6
[03:17] <ardchoille> How fasat are the logs updated?
[03:17] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, the logs? you mean the ones i log locally? realtime
[03:17] <elkbuntu> ubuntulog, every 20 mins or so
[03:17] <ardchoille> No, the http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ logs
[03:17] <elkbuntu> see latter
[03:18] <elkbuntu> well that's what fabbione used to run them at, i dont know what the sysadmins run them at now
[03:19] <elkbuntu> also, if you ever notice them missing, let one of us know so we can poke the sysadmins
[03:24] <ardchoille> Well, I found the place in the logs where I banned him, but it doesn't show in the logs
[03:28] <stdin> ardchoille: well, if you want a log http://stdin.pastebin.com/d66fa01cc is from the bantracker
[03:28] <ardchoille> stdin: Ah, thakn you much
[03:29] <ardchoille> Last three lines of that log
[03:30] <stdin> yep, the bantracker logs 200 lines from the event (the /kick in this case)
[03:30] <ardchoille> Wow, nice tracker :)
[03:31] <stdin> it comes in handy from time to time :)
[03:31] <nalioth> stdin: i have a question
[03:31] <stdin> nalioth: yes?
[03:32] <nalioth> why isn't there a dedicated KDE web browser?
[03:32] <stdin> you mean konqueror?
[03:32] <nalioth> it's not dedicated
[03:32] <stdin> it is more so in kde4
[03:32] <nalioth> it doesn't have web history, or web-centric stuff
[03:34] <nalioth> know of any QT/kde based web browser (besides konq)?
[03:35] <stdin> konqueror generally a jack of all trades, the only other Qt bases browser I know off the top of my head is opera
[03:35] <nalioth> opera is closed source
[03:35] <nalioth> and it's not kde-centric
[03:35] <stdin> the kde4 konqueror is more web-centric
[03:36] <stdin> and it does have a history
[03:36] <nalioth> so i have to wait?
[03:37] <stdin> that's part of the reason to make dolphin the file manager and konqueror a (real) web browser in kde4
[03:37] <stdin> konqueror didn't really have a purpose as such
[03:37] <nalioth> i prefer konqueror as file mangler
[03:37] <nalioth> unless dolphin has made great leaps
[03:38] <stdin> if you're comparing it to the kde3 version then don't :p they are extremely different
[03:38] <stdin> dolphin is actually useful in kde4 :)
[03:39] <stdin> and not as clunky
[03:39] <ardchoille> That's very good to hear
[03:39] <ardchoille> Because I was severely disappointed with dolphin in gutsy
[03:40]  * nalioth has kde4 on his test machine, but is currently unable to change over to it . . . .
[03:41] <stdin> you can start dolphin from your kde3 session too, just run "dolphin-kde4"  it will work from the kmenu as soon as it gets backported
[03:41] <stdin> (or I may just upload it to the -kde4 ppa myself)
[03:41] <nalioth> so it runs now, but won't run from the kmenu until it gets backported?
[03:42] <stdin> well the .desktop files were a bit broken because the Exec= line was wrong
[03:42] <nalioth> could not open dolphin-kde4
[03:43] <stdin> you have it installed?
[03:43] <nalioth> stdin: you packaged it
[03:43] <stdin> yeah, but I don't know if you installed it
[03:44] <nalioth> i installed everything that had "kde4" in it
[03:44] <stdin> wow :p
[03:44] <stdin> what version of dolphin-kde4 do you have? (should be4:3.97.0-1ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa1)
[03:45] <nalioth> your update mechanism isn't working right, i don't think
[03:46] <stdin> why?
[03:47] <nalioth>  i've got 4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1~ppa1
[03:47] <stdin> ahh, you haven't got the new PPA ;)
[03:47] <stdin> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/ gutsy main
[03:47] <nalioth> the PPA doesn't update it's release.gz?
[03:48] <stdin> we moved it to another ppa so more than one person could upload (other than me)
[03:48] <nalioth> nice of you to tell us  :|
[03:49] <stdin> it's on the announcement page...
[03:49] <stdin> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[03:50] <nalioth> i don't surf the web much
[03:50] <stdin> it's in the #kubuntu topic too, and on !kde4 :)
[03:50] <nalioth> i don't talk to bots, either  :(
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> I'd sure hope you read topics though
[03:51] <nalioth> nope
[03:51] <stdin> the only reason we used my PPA in the first place was because it was already built there and would take ages to backport or build in the kubuntu-members ppa
[03:52] <nalioth> stdin: would you like access to a powerpc box?
[03:52] <stdin> to do what?
[03:52] <nalioth> to do what, indeed.
[03:53] <stdin> I've never used anything powerpc, never had a mac
[03:53] <nalioth> but lots of ubuntu users _DO_ have powerpc hardware, and might like to try out kde4
[03:55] <stdin> right now the only way to build powerpc packages is with the ubuntu build system, PPA run on xen so can only build i386/amd64/lpia
[03:55] <nalioth> are you kidding me?
[03:55] <nalioth> i used to build powerpc packages
[03:56] <stdin> well, that's what the launchpad admins tell me
[03:56] <nalioth> you can build packages anywhere
[03:57] <stdin> can you install the powerpc debs from apt in a chroot on a i386 box?
[03:58] <nalioth> stdin: a chroot only works for simliar arch packages
[03:58] <stdin> that's what all the packages are built in though, chroots with only build-essential installed
[03:59] <nalioth> stdin: get the PM?
[03:59] <stdin> yeah just noticed it, I had sound muted
[04:09] <ubotu> yama called the ops in #ubuntu-au ()
[04:09] <ubotu> praetorian called the ops in #ubuntu-au ()
[04:46] <ubotu> yama called the ops in #ubuntu-au ()
[04:46] <elkbuntu> it's just testing, somerville32 you dont need to be there
[04:48] <ubotu> yama called the ops in #ubuntu-au ()
[04:48] <elkbuntu> ignore again
[05:06] <Tm_T> hm
[05:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: windows is For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:18] <ubotu> nickrud called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[06:20] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: ?
[06:20] <Tm_T> !windows
[06:20] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:21] <Jordan_U> Tm_T, I don't think the immature windows bashing is needed
[06:21] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: agreed there, it's joke, but not nice one
[06:21] <Tm_T> !nixternal
[06:21] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[06:22] <Tm_T> nixternal: what'dya say?
[06:22] <nixternal> huh?
[06:22] <Jordan_U> nixternal, I'll take some free money
[06:22] <nixternal> so will I
[06:22] <Tm_T> nixternal: about !windows factoid, should do we remove the health institute bit?
[06:22] <Jordan_U> nixternal, Nice, I hear nixternal is giving some away
[06:23] <Jordan_U> ;)
[06:24] <Tm_T> ubotu: no windows is <reply> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:24] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Tm_T said: ubotu: no windows is <reply> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:24] <Tm_T> hmmmmh
[06:24] <Tm_T> ubotu: no windows is <reply> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that Tm_T
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]
[06:24] <Tm_T> thanks
[06:24] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: happy with?
[06:25] <Jordan_U> Tm_T, Yes, thank you
[06:25] <nixternal> as long as the !windows doesn't have something controversial or disrespectful, then it is fine
[06:25] <Tm_T> nixternal: isn't "or your nearest mental health institute" disrespectful then? ;)
[06:26] <nixternal> yup
[06:27] <nixternal> plus, the person who created it, probably has a windows machine on his/her desk
[06:27] <Hobbsee> that's offensive towards the mental health institutes.  i'm sure they want regular visitors too, to help out.
[06:27] <nixternal> haha
[06:27] <ardchoille> hahaha
[06:27] <elkbuntu> many of us think the wording of bug #1 itself to be disrespectful in itself, since it should be 'proprietary software' rather than 'microsoft'
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:29] <nixternal> bug #1 is flat out stupid anyways...after they tested that LP worked with it, they should have removed it or changed it
[06:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:29] <nixternal> shut up ubotu
[06:29] <elkbuntu> nixternal, having it there as like a mission statement/goal is fine, but being so shallow as to target one single company is ridiculou
[06:30] <nixternal> very true
[06:30] <elkbuntu> not to mention in itself non-CoC compliant ;)
[06:57] <Tm_T> yu
[07:00] <Tm_T> okie, see you next year or so ->
[07:23] <Myrtti> am I not getting it, but do peeople really need medibuntu still?
[07:32] <ardchoille> Myrtti: I need libdvdcss2. I realise I can get that in other ways, but I feel Medibuntu is important.
[07:32] <ardchoille> I mean, who knows what new and exciting things it may hold in the future.
[07:33]  * Hobbsee has only found that she needs libdvdcss2 from it.
[07:34] <ardchoille> I used the Seveas repo in Edgy and I think it's good to have a repo for things that can't be put into the official repos.
[07:34] <ardchoille> Just my opinion, tho
[09:51] <tritium> I'm having the *toughest* time setting up xchat on my laptop to use the irssi-proxy on my server.
[09:52] <tritium> I'm getting "channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" when trying to setup the ssh tunnel.
[13:27] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (indiangal)
[13:42] <Myrtti> yet another day, yet amother apartment I'd love
[13:44] <jussi01> Myrtti: oh.. so you missed out on the last one?
[15:15] <kbrooks> can you please add a factoid to ubuntu that warns on dangerous commands?
[15:16] <nalioth> kbrooks: do it.  say "uboto foo is bar"
[15:17] <jpatrick> !rm | kbrooks
[15:17] <ubotu> kbrooks: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[15:17] <jpatrick> oh, I thought that one had a warning..
[15:19] <ubotu> In ubotu, kbrooks said: dcommands is <reply>Please do not mention, even as a joke, dangerous commands that remove user's files or the operating system.
[16:31] <PriceChild> Gah this is like dialup
[16:32] <PriceChild> gah now i'm loading a link hobbsee left me (.com.au) and its like dialup through my mobile :P
[16:37] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> Hello
[16:37] <jrib> hi
[16:37] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> Are you gusy responsible for #ubuntu-de, too?
[16:37] <Myrtti> hullo
[16:39] <PriceChild> Dr_vOn_pSiE, What do you need?
[16:43] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> Well, fist sorry for my bad english, but thats not the point. I guess I was kicked from the channel #ubuntu-de by fr00d without a reason. I pasted, yes I am guilty, but I did as it is regulated in the TOPIC of that channel, which says, that you are supposed to used paste-service if you are pasting more than 3 lines. Well I pasted 3 and added a 4th one with my own words and got kicked immediadly, without being warned before.
[16:44] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> I just want to tell you guys this as I thing that this is not fair
[16:45] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> And then this guy told me that that the TOPIC aren't rules, just guidelines.
[16:45] <PriceChild> so you appeared to be pasting a large text.... and were removed?
[16:45] <PriceChild> How was he to know that there wasn't another 50 lines coming?
[16:46] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> no, i pasted like 10 words in total
[16:46] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> and he knew
[16:46] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> but alright i see. I just did what the guideline said
[16:47] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> noting more, nothing less
[16:47] <PriceChild> Have you tried to talk to him in pm about it?
[16:47] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> well he thinks that he is right
[16:47] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> i am not his opinion
[16:47] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> but he helped me in pm though
[16:48] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, Are you banned?
[16:48] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> I don't know
[16:49] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> no
[16:49] <PriceChild> What do you mean "and he knew"?
[16:50] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, So, what are you looking to resolve? :)
[16:50] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> i just want to tell you guys that if you have a guidline and someone follows it you can't kick him
[16:51] <Myrtti> yes?
[16:51] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> and with he knew i meant that he was supposed to konw what is going to be my paste, as he asked me the use the command compiz --replace
[16:51] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> and tell him the output
[16:52] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, Okay.
[16:52] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> well
[16:52] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, You might want to speak with the channel contact for #ubuntu-de as he or she is responsible for that channel.
[16:53] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> lol
[16:53]  * PriceChild sighs
[16:53] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> i asked you guys in the beginning
[16:53] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> so who is the cannel contace for #ubuntu-de
[16:54] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> contact i mean
[16:54] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, /msg chanserv info #ubuntu-de
[16:54] <PriceChild> I really really don't think this is needed...
[16:54] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> ok thx
[16:54] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> well look
[16:56]  * somerville32 agrees with PriceChild.
[16:56] <PriceChild> It really hasn't seemed like it.
[16:56] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> it is that we all just want to have fun with our ubuntu and for me as a newcommer this is very diappointing if i am trying to get some help in the official irc channel
[16:56] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> and being handled like this
[16:57] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> i am trying my best to switch from win to linux but is not easy
[16:58] <mc44> Dr_vOn_pSiE: people are kicked when pasting because it's the easiest way to stop the pasting continuing and the channel being flooded. Sometimes people make mistakes
[16:58] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> but anyway thanks for the conversation
[16:58] <PriceChild> please don't /quit....
[16:58] <PriceChild> To be honest, I'm not totally up to speed with what you're complaining about? You agree you pasted 4 lines (could have been more coming) and were removed?
[16:58] <PriceChild> "pasted"
[16:59] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> well he asked me to use the command compiz --replace and tell him the output
[16:59] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> i guess he must know what the output will be
[17:00] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> i pasted 3 lines
[17:00] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, Please use pastebin in the future and you won't have this problem. M'Kay? :)
[17:00] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> and wrote one by myself
[17:00] <PriceChild> how should he know? He's not the one watching and copying the terminal output
[17:00] <PriceChild> there could have been a lot more errors
[17:01] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> Well, sorry guys I did as the topic says
[17:01] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> pasting 3 lines is ok
[17:01] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> And he referred to the TOPIC after he kicked me
[17:01] <nalioth> Dr_vOn_pSiE: nobody has said that it wasn't ok
[17:02] <kbrooks> PriceChild, can i comment?
[17:02] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, He must have thought you were going to paste more. It was a simple misunderstanding. :)
[17:02] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> yes
[17:02] <nalioth> Dr_vOn_pSiE: but if you speak quickly after your 3d pasted line, how do we know if a large paste is coming?
[17:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning, just got up..   are fallen and flyback talking about pirated serials or am I just seeing the end of the conversation
[17:02] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow, vmware
[17:03] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[17:03] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> well he kicked me like 10 seconds after that and in my 4th line was telling him sorry for paste, but this is the fastest way
[17:04] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> I could even tell him thanks to what he added when i was pasting
[17:04] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> then he kicked me
[17:04] <kbrooks> Dr_vOn_pSiE, i suggest you talk to the channel contact
[17:04] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> he must have been to busy kicking me, so he couldn't see that i am writing more
[17:05] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, I'm sorry you are upset by being kicked but let me reassure you it isn't a big deal. :)
[17:06] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> Well, thanks for the comversation.
[17:06] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> I know
[17:06] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> I don't know how to say this right
[17:07] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> but i guess he thinks that he is someting better than "normal users" are
[17:07] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> anyway i konw that it isn't a too big deal
[17:07] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> i guess i will talk to him about that and hope to get a appology..
[17:08] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> CYA guys, and have fun.
[17:08] <somerville32> Dr_vOn_pSiE, I hope you feel comfortable to be able to rejoin #ubuntu-de and get your Ubuntu questions answered. :)
[17:09] <Dr_vOn_pSiE> yep
[17:58] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu (slipttees)
[17:58] <jpatrick> well do all you #ubuntu guys get all the fun..
[17:58] <nixternal> slipttees had a warning, no reason to quiet or kick I don'tt hink
[17:58] <nixternal> he apologized for the slip up
[17:59] <Myrtti> erm, yes
[18:00] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks.. just thought that was going to turn bad fast
[18:00] <LjL> i didn't mean to ban
[18:01] <ikonia> LjL: thanks for explaining
[18:01] <nixternal> bah, I am talking to him in PM, he is off to another OS already :(
[18:01] <nixternal> we need to slow down a bit when some one slips with a cuss word
[18:02] <Jack_Sparrow> he didnt apologize until AFTER the ops call
[18:02] <nixternal> ya he did
[18:02] <somerville32> He swore in excitement. I don't quite see how that required an ops call at all.
[18:03] <nixternal> somerville32: +100000000
[18:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Family friendly...
[18:03] <nixternal> 11:58:12 [ slipttees] ikonia, ops sorry :(
[18:03] <LjL> ok no need to make a huge fuss of this
[18:03] <nixternal> 29 seconds after he slipped up
[18:03]  * somerville32 levels up.
[18:03] <nixternal> not making a huge fuss, we just don't need to be so jumpy
[18:03] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow, just if something looks like *going* to turn out bad, but hasn't yet, ping here rather than !opsing
[18:04] <Tm_T> hm
[18:04]  * Mez did a remove and was planning on contacting... hence hwy I remoevd the ban.. Isaw the ops call, saw the swearing ... did a remove
[18:04] <somerville32> What happened to giving warnings for small offences like that? :S
[18:04] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: I was already offended when I called...   but will be a bit more tolerant
[18:06] <nixternal> how could anyone be offended by fuckinhell? I know everyone here doesn't have virgin ears, plus you can see he was excited that someone helped him :)
[18:07] <jpatrick> nixternal: +1
[18:08] <Jack_Sparrow> what the fuckinghell is your problem...
[18:08] <nixternal> does anyone happen to read the planet btw? it is far more public than our IRC channels, and you see all kinds of cuss words...so I have a problem with taking action other than a warning when it comes to cussing..makes us look all hypocrtical and shit..ya I swore, big deal :p
[18:08] <Jack_Sparrow> sorry
[18:32] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (darkone_)
[18:33] <nalioth> klined
[18:33] <nalioth> wow, cloning, too
[18:34] <LjL> cloning?
[18:34] <ikonia> the darkeone guy has been a pain
[18:34] <nalioth> when a kline hits, i see all the users who were on that IP
[18:34] <nalioth> that IP had clones
[18:35] <LjL> ah, right, i /whois'd, i didn't /who
[18:35] <LjL> well i /who'd but only after you'd already klined
[18:35] <crdlb> do you see a problem with the nick 'cumknot' ? (maybe it's just me :) )
[18:36] <nalioth> crdlb: is that person trolling?
[18:36] <LjL> as long as it isn't pigcum again, i'm willing to let it pass
[18:36] <crdlb> no
[18:49] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jord said: tcprelay is a port forwarder
[18:49] <LjL> !info tcprelay > jord
[18:49] <LjL> uhm, except it's not a package i guess
[18:50]  * somerville32 nods.
[18:51] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jord said: tcpxd is TCP/IP relay or proxy, allowing a connection to a port on a system to be forwarded to another port on any other system. It is useful for firewalls and service relocations, and is small, simple, and fast. http://quozl.us.netrek.org/tcpxd/
[18:51] <LjL> that's better
[18:51] <Jord> :)
[18:52] <LjL> Jord, that's nice, but isn't there something in the repositories to achieve the same?
[18:52] <LjL> when something is available from the repositories, we'd much rather have a factoid on that, than on something that isn't
[18:52] <Jord> i wish i could find something
[18:52] <Jord> i need a program that does the same as tcpxd except i need to be able to bind it to a port
[18:52] <Jord> to an interface*
[18:53] <Jord> according to the changelog, tcpxd can do it
[18:53] <LjL> Jord, iptables does it fine... you just need to know how to use it
[18:53] <Jord> but i cant find documentation about that
[18:53] <LjL> Jord, this is not a support channel, but please ask in #ubuntu what exactly you need to do, i'll try to see if i can help you
[18:53] <Jord> yeah, it probably can, but i was hoping for something simpler
[18:53] <Jord> :)
[18:54] <Jord> yeah, soz, its ok
[18:54] <LjL> Jord, it's really quite simply, it's most probably one command line
[18:54] <Jord> bye :)
[18:54] <LjL> Jord, i'm not kidding though, do ask. i'm not an iptables guru, but i do have some port forwarding running on my server
[18:55] <Jord> ok
[19:08] <LjL> Jord, see my message in #ubuntu, and also
[19:08] <LjL> !iptables
[19:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[19:41] <ubotu> Minataku called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic ()
[20:24] <tritium> Are any of you running irssi-proxy successfully?
[20:24] <LjL> mc44
[20:24] <LjL> well, "successfully"
[20:25] <mc44> tritium: yup
[20:25] <tritium> mc44: mind if I pick your brain a bit?
[20:25] <mc44> they're not doing anything else :)
[20:25] <LjL> if you have an electronic microscope
[20:25] <mc44> ^ funny
[20:26] <LjL> i don't even deserve a unicode arrow?
[20:26] <tritium> heh
[20:26] <mc44> LjL: if only I could do those without copying and pasting
[20:26] <LjL> mc44: uhm, you can
[20:26] <tritium> mc44: do you setup an ssh tunnel to the machine running the proxy?
[20:26] <mc44> tritium: whats the problem?
[20:26] <mc44> tritium: yep
[20:27] <tritium> mc44: Well, can't connect a client.  I'm not even sure the proxy is running properly.
[20:27] <LjL> an ssh tunnel... to an untrusted machine? how sound.
[20:27] <tritium> What's untrusted about it?
[20:27] <mc44> LjL: ... er..
[20:27] <LjL> tritium: well, mc44's is untrusted
[20:28] <tritium> mc44: when I try to connect my client, this is what I get:
[20:28] <tritium>  channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused
[20:28] <mc44> tritium: how are you trying to connecT?
[20:28] <tritium> That error is in the console where I started the tunnel, not in the irc client
[20:28] <mc44> wait, you're not trying to ssh straight to the proxy are you? :)
[20:29] <tritium> mc44: no
[20:29] <tritium> mc44: I do two things:
[20:29] <tritium> ssh -NfL 6667:localhost:6667 htpc
[20:29] <tritium> (proxy is running on htpc on port 6667)
[20:29] <mc44> yep
[20:29] <tritium> Then, in irc client: /server localhost 6667 <password>
[20:30] <tritium> In the irc client, connection is established and then immediately lost
[20:30] <tritium> mc44: can you telnet to the port your proxy is running on?  (I cannot)
[20:31] <LjL> uhm, both ports 6667? for some reason that doesn't sound right to me
[20:31] <tritium> LjL: I've tried many different port combinations
[20:31] <tritium> Doesn't work in any case.
[20:32] <mc44> tritium: yep telnet works directly
[20:32] <mc44> well it says, Connect to blah
[20:32] <tritium> mc44: hrm, so I think the proxy isn't running right.
[20:32] <LjL> uhm ok. i still don't quite understand why you need SSH anyway... after all the connection is all in plaintext from the proxy to the IRC server
[20:32] <somerville32> Just FYI:
[20:32] <somerville32> [16:17] <PhobiaBB> thanks you fucking faggots
[20:32] <somerville32> [16:18] * PhobiaBB has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]")
[20:32] <PriceChild> And then he left
[20:33] <LjL> where?
[20:33] <PriceChild> x
[20:33] <LjL> ah
[20:33] <tritium> mc44: thanks for checking that out.  I wonder why my proxy isn't running properly.
[20:33] <LjL> ban, so it'll show in the bantracker
[20:33] <tritium> Do I need to edit /etc/inetd.conf, or something?
[20:33] <mc44> tritium: the module is loaded? :)
[20:33] <tritium> mc44: yes, with port and password set
[20:34] <mc44> tritium: you have the port set like: freenode=6667
[20:34] <tritium> LjL: yeah, I'd connect directly too, if I could.
[20:34] <tritium> mc44: yes
[20:34] <mc44> tritium: then I'm out of obvious suggestions :)
[20:34] <somerville32> LjL, ban his nick?
[20:34] <LjL> somerville32: nick will do
[20:35] <tritium> mc44: what does your /set proxy show you?  (Don't give me your password, of course)
[20:35] <LjL> no, *do* give me your password
[20:35] <tritium> heh
[20:36] <somerville32> PriceChild, How did you get his IP?
[20:36] <LjL> somerville32: /whowas phobiabb
[20:36] <PriceChild> chanserv.py does a whowas...
[20:36] <PriceChild> and it also shows up in the quit message
[20:37] <somerville32> oh cool
[20:37] <LjL> uhm why can't you use irssi-proxy without SSH? from the descriptions i see on the web, it simply provides an IRC server on a port. shouldn't need SSH
[20:40] <mc44> LjL: if you don't want an open port on your server, for example
[20:40] <tritium> aye
[20:40] <LjL> mc44: uh... it's open anyway if you SSH to it, isn't it?
[20:40] <mc44> I'd trust SSH over irssi in terms of security
[20:42] <jdong> LjL: well with ssh you'd bind irssi-proxy to localhost
[20:42] <tritium> What a pain...
[20:42] <jdong> LjL: which is different than binding it to a public interface, then transmitting the password to it in cleartext...
[20:43] <LjL> jdong: use the same password as the nickserv one... it's already in plaintext :)
[20:44] <jdong> LjL: point :)
[20:44] <jdong> LjL: not like IRC is a secure medium at any rate :)
[20:45] <Mez> jdong? really?
[20:45]  * Mez shouts into collar "ABORT!! ABORT!!"
[20:45] <LjL> jdong: which i why i don't very much seeing the point of using SSH for a proxy to begin with
[20:46] <tritium> yay, got it working
[20:46] <tritium> Thanks, mc44
[20:46] <jdong> LjL: right, I get your point, but I trust the network that my main session is on a lot more than $random_wifi_hotspot
[20:47] <mc44> tritium: no problem
[20:48] <LjL> jdong: well... yeah, i suppose
[20:48] <jdong> LjL: I'm also not confident enough about the security of irssi-proxy to allow it to offer a publically accessible port... I'd rather have a layer of ssh around it to even talk to the daemon
[20:50] <LjL> jdong: well, if it were me, i'd be running it chrooted anyway
[20:50] <jdong> LjL: apparmored :)
[20:50] <LjL> i'm still in search of a hassle-free packaged irc proxy without weird quirks myself
[20:50] <LjL> jdong: doubt it
[20:50] <jdong> 15:50 -!- Irssi: process 0 (ls) terminated with signal 9 (Killed)
[20:51] <jdong> :)
[20:51] <mc44> LjL: whats quirky about irssiproxy?
[20:52] <LjL> mc44: it *is* a quirk. irssi does lots of things i don't tell it to, it even auto-ignores CTCPs when it gets too many, i'm told
[20:52] <LjL> and i want a proxy, not a full featured irc client. or operating system, for that matter
[20:52] <mc44> thats a bad thing?
[20:52] <LjL> irssi - the emacs of irc
[20:52] <LjL> mc44: yes.
[20:53] <LjL> mc44: if i want flood protection, i get flood protection. if i want an irc proxy, i get an irc proxy
[20:54] <mc44> you're so demanding
[20:54] <LjL> i wouldn't like to find that i have automatic auto-rejoin-on-kick enabled, for instance, without ever telling anything to enable it
[20:54] <tritium> Strange.  My connected client only sees 8 of the channels I'm in.
[20:54] <tritium> mc44: is there some limit I need to increase?
[20:54] <LjL> mc44: look, a quirk!
[20:54] <tritium> hah!
[20:54] <mc44> tritium: not that I've come across, but I'm not in 8 channels :)
[20:55] <mc44> LjL: I like quirky
[20:55] <LjL> mc44: but i wasn't talking about you, i was talking about me
[20:55] <LjL> as a rule, it's generally all about me
[20:55] <mc44> see, theres your problem :P
[20:55] <tritium> mc44: sheesh, only 2 channels?
[20:55] <mc44> tritium: only two which you're in ;)
[20:55] <LjL> !modes
[20:55] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on Freenode (see !freenode). Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[20:56] <LjL> that factoid by the way is...
[20:56] <tritium> mc44: ah ;)
[20:56] <LjL> !no modes is <reply> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[20:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[21:02] <Mez> any staff awake?
[21:04] <nalioth> Mez: you can't be arsed to look at 2 minutes of scrollback?
[21:05] <Mez> nalioth, 2 mins of scrollback? I talked at least 5 mins after the last channel msg ;)
[21:05] <Mez> see /msg anyways
[21:05] <nalioth> what /msg ?
[21:06] <nalioth> and in #freenode i just spoke right before you asked
[21:06] <Mez> nalioth, yeah yeah... I didnt notice in tehre and my /msg went astray
[21:24] <PriceChild> Gouki (/GoukiPT) is incoming
[21:24] <PriceChild> Remember UbuntuStats? He's reviving it again and should be back for good.
[21:24] <LjL> PriceChild, gouki is in this channel already
[21:24] <PriceChild> wow so he is
[21:25] <somerville32> lol
[21:25] <somerville32> I love UbuntuStats :)
[21:27] <PriceChild> but anyway... so yes... checking channel list, and i suggested possibility of an ubuntu cloak perhaps
 rings a bell in #ubuntu
[21:43] <PriceChild> What specs of hardware is ubotu currently on?
[21:44] <LjL> OperationalError rings a bell in bantracker
[21:46] <LjL> PriceChild, i suspect there is one person who knows
[22:30] <PriceChild> ccvp also rings a bell
[22:30] <LjL> yes PriceChild, old aquaintance, as you've probably guessed from the way i banned
[22:31] <PriceChild> :P
[22:31] <LjL> i probably removed the knology ban unadvertedly yesterday when i cleaned some bans up
[22:47] <gouki> Hi everyone!
[22:48] <gouki> As PriceChild mentioned before, UbuntuStats is coming back for good. I bought a cheap plan at VPSLink.com, which gives me root access and a good connection, so I should not have the problems that made me quit the first time.
[22:49] <gouki> I have the list of channels I plan on gathering logs, can someone take a look at it?
[22:50] <PriceChild> pastebin please ;)
[22:55] <gouki> http://goukivps.net/list.txt
[22:56] <PriceChild> I'm wondering if we should ask -women about it?
[22:56] <LjL> gouki: please, remove #ubuntu-ops from there. also, i suppose you really should ask the contacts of the various channels, as well
[22:56] <PriceChild> They are very against logging etc.
[22:57] <gouki> Yeah, right. -women doesn't want it.
[22:58] <gouki> As for the other ones, I remember having them on the old times
[22:58] <gouki> I'll update the list and remove -ops and -women
[22:59] <gouki> Pizza is here. Please, give me suggestions.
[23:00] <LjL> gouki, you've covered the main channels i think. dunno what else - perhaps some other loco channels wouldn't mind.
[23:01] <jpatrick> gouki: you can get #kubuntu-es
[23:02] <jpatrick> gouki: and I'll speak to the #ubuntu-es guys about it later for you