[00:25] <matkor> abentley: Thanks a lot !
[02:01]  * beuno wonders why nobody with access to planet.bazaar hasn't made a post about 1.0
[02:04] <Peng> planet.bazaar?
[02:08] <jelmer> http://planet.bazaar-vcs.org/
[02:09] <Peng> Neat.
[02:12] <TFKyle> they're all too busy drinking I assume
[02:34] <jdub> query for interest's sake
[02:34] <jdub> after upgrade:
[02:34] <jdub> 4.7M    .bzr/
[02:34] <jdub> 14M     .bzr.backup/
[02:34] <jdub> after reconcile:
[02:34] <jdub> 9.1M    .bzr/
[02:34] <jdub> 14M     .bzr.backup/
[02:34] <jdub> why is that?
[02:34] <jdub> (re: size of .bzr)
[02:35] <Peng> jdub: obsolete_packs?
[02:35] <jdub> Peng: ah, that's added during reconcile?
[02:36] <Peng> jdub: The old packs are backed up whenever they're recreated ("bzr pack", auto-packing, and reconcile).
[02:37] <jdub> righto
[02:37] <jdub> well, i'm all upgraded to 1.0 now -- yum :-)
[08:53]  * TFKyle stabs rapidshare, this is starting to get ridiculous
[08:54] <fullermd> abentley: There, I just submitted the upgrade req for bzrtools 1.0, and optionalized the graphviz dependancy.  I don't have to smack me now   ;)
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all. is an svn repo import something that can only be done as a one off, or can i reimport if the svn repo changes?
[11:01] <Alexia_Death> Hello. I have a theoretical question about bazaar.
[11:02] <Alexia_Death> namely would it be usable as local repositroy mangagement tool under a "add-on" manager?
[11:12] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: you can pull and push from branches in svn
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> bob2, thanks.
[11:15]  * Alexia_Death is putting togheter a consept for GIMP add-on library that would be a crossbreed between apt portage and SVN...
[11:16] <Alexia_Death> and bidirectional all the way.
[11:43] <soxs> sry, I am a total bzr newbie
[11:43] <soxs> *g*
[11:43] <soxs> so let me ask a very simple, stupid q
[11:43] <soxs> I want to update exaile to the latest version
[11:44] <soxs> so I did bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main exaile
[11:44] <soxs> so I got the dev branch
[11:44] <soxs> but how can I update my installed programm
[11:44] <soxs> update
[11:45] <soxs> located /usr/lib/exaile
[11:45] <soxs> I know that I have to use bzr update
[11:45] <soxs> but from which folder??
[11:45] <luks> in the bzr branch
[11:45] <soxs> the checkout folder or /usr/lib/exaile
[11:45] <soxs> thx
[11:45] <soxs> ^^
[11:46] <luks> putting it to /usr/lib/exaile is probably a job for some install script
[11:46] <bob2> is there a README or INSTALL file in the tree you checked out? (this is application-specific, nothing to do with bzr)
[11:47] <soxs> well, exaile is a gnome music player, aming to be similar to amarok but or gtk
[11:47] <soxs> f
[11:47] <kripken> most likely you would run "make install" to install it to the actual location (/usr/lib in this case)
[11:48] <soxs> well, thx
[12:20] <soxs> o, this messed the installed version up :-/
[12:20] <soxs> well, does't really matter.. gone compile it rom source
[13:13] <mrZeby> somedoby have try to install bzr and qbzr on windows vista ?
[13:21] <mrZeby> hello re.. how to install pyqt4 ?
[13:23] <luks> mrZeby: are you using the compiled bzr or from sources with your own python installation?
[13:24] <luks> http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/Downloads/PyQt4/GPL/PyQt-Py2.5-gpl-4.3.3-1.exe
[13:24] <mrZeby> lucks : thanks for answering.. i try to install python based installers with my own python 2.5 installation
[13:25] <luks> then install pyqt using the link above
[13:25] <mrZeby> so easy ? on this site they say : instal SID, use make to compile source,... ?
[13:26] <luks> you can uncheck dev tools, docs and examples when installing it
[13:26] <luks> which site?
[13:26] <mrZeby> SIP
[13:27] <mrZeby> on the doc of http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/Docs/PyQt4/pyqt4ref.html
[13:27] <luks> always first look on pages like http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/download.php :)
[13:27] <mrZeby> but perhaps i dont need to recompile anything to use qbzr ?
[13:27] <luks> no, you don't
[13:27] <luks> just use the pyqt installed
[13:27] <mrZeby> nice new you give to me :-)
[13:27] <luks> installer
[13:32] <mrZeby> i soo stupid.. i had no see the download link for binaries !!!!
[15:22] <mrZeby> re hello all
[15:22] <mrZeby> i have installed bzr and qbzr... but how to launch qbzr ?
[15:44] <luks> mrZeby: there is no "qbzr" to launch
[15:44] <luks> it's just a bunch of separate commands
[15:49] <mrZeby> a command like qlog made on a versionned directory will show some informations in a window ? something like this ?
[15:50] <luks> yes
[15:51] <mrZeby> so.. for windows users there is no GUI like winCVS for CVS or rapidSVN for subversion... no so user friendly
[15:51] <luks> qbzr will have a wincvs like interface in one of the next version
[15:51] <luks> but not for now
[15:51] <luks> there is olive, but it doesn't work well enough in my experience
[15:52] <mrZeby> yes i have try olive and find is not really usable
[15:53] <mrZeby> and tortoiseBZr not so powerfull as tortoisesvn ou tortoisecvs
[15:53] <luks> I mainly use command line, that's why qbzr looks like it looks
[15:54] <mrZeby> you are the qbzr developer ?
[15:54] <luks> yes
[15:54] <mrZeby> ouah nice to meet you :-)
[15:54] <luks> :)
[15:55] <mrZeby> it'is the first time i speak with a software i will use :-)
[15:55] <jelmer> it would be nice to have somebody back hacking on tortoisebzr..
[15:56] <mrZeby> i speak with the developer of a software...
[15:56] <mrZeby> then i use
[15:56] <mrZeby> nice nice nice
[15:56] <mrZeby> well
[15:57] <mrZeby> the community for bzr looks to be very active
[16:00] <mrZeby> jelmer : and you ? your are the tortoisebzr developer ?
[16:01] <jelmer> mrZeby: I work on various bzr-related bits and pieces
[16:01] <jelmer> I worked on the original version of tortoisebzr and I work on bzr-gtk
[16:04] <mrZeby> you are mostly linux developers ?
[16:05] <jelmer> yes, the majority is, though there are some people on windows as well
[16:05] <jelmer> and some people using both
[16:18] <mrZeby> jelmer, luks : thanks for explanations, have a day end of day... see you.. bye
[16:19] <mrZeby> have a nice end of day
[16:19] <jelmer> thanks, you too
[16:19] <mrZeby> i english is a little bit funny lol
[17:13] <Stavros> hello
[17:13] <Stavros> is there an easy way to disable push-on-commit?
[17:13] <jelmer> Stavros: "bzr unbind"
[17:13] <Stavros> ah, thanks
[17:13] <Stavros> when does it bind by default?
[17:13] <jelmer> Stavros: "bzr co" binds by default
[17:14] <jelmer> "bzr branch" does not
[17:14] <Stavros> is that the only difference between the two?
[17:14] <jelmer> yes
[17:14] <Stavros> ah, thanks
[19:58] <thumper> morning
[20:11] <izm99> I've started a a new project and have a couple commits but I want to branch what I'm currently working on to a ".experimental" or something.  What's the best way to do this?
[20:13] <luks> izm99: you mean something like "bzr branch main experimental; cd experimenta; bzr merge --uncommitted ../main" ?
[20:17] <izm99> luks: i'm not sure...  :P  I started a project by doing "bzr init; bzr add;" in a project folder.  I've since done a couple commits, but what i've done most recently, i don't want to commit to the main (and somewhat stable) branch...  I want to commit it into a new branch which I will merge back later.  if that makes sense.  I'm just learning this (obviously)  :)
[20:18] <luks> izm99: yes, then merge --uncommited will do what you want
[20:18] <luks> just branch of the main branch, merge the uncommitted changes to the new branch, and bzr revert in the main branch
[20:21] <john76> Hi all
[20:21] <john76> New to Bazaar and love everything I've seen so far but concerned about one feature
[20:21] <john76> Does remove really delete all history for a file?
[20:21] <jelmer> john76: no, it does not
[20:22] <jelmer> it's still visible in history
[20:22] <john76> good, I've read the docs and tried it myself and had results which suggest it did
[20:22] <john76> I tried bzr log <deletedfilename>
[20:22] <john76> plus tried to uncommit
[20:23] <jelmer> uncommit+revert should bring it back
[20:23] <john76> but I haven't got far enough in the docs I guess to know what I'm really up to
[20:23] <john76> ah, excellent
[20:24] <john76> I'll keep reading then, my concern became to great to ignore
[20:24] <john76> really appreciate the help
[20:24] <john76> thanks
[20:27] <izm99> luks: so within my project folder, "bzr merge --uncommitted ../project.experimental" ?
[20:27] <mwhudson> izm99: no
[20:27] <mwhudson> other way around
[20:27] <izm99> :/
[20:28] <mwhudson> within your project.experimental folder, bzr merge ../project
[20:29] <izm99> oh...  merge <destination branch> <parent> ?
[20:47] <izm99> ok, I only have "project" which is the folder I'm in.  This is the original, it's not centralized or anything.  so "../project" is the current folder.  I want to create a new "../project.experimental" branch with what i've current done (uncommitted).  Should I manually rename the folder to "project.experimental"?
[20:48] <izm99> I tried following what's been suggested so far in a new simple project, in "project" I made some files, added them, then "bzr merge --uncommitted ../project" ..  It said All changes applied successfully, but that's itself.
[20:50] <luks> izm99: in the folder above "project" run "bzr branch project project.experimental"
[20:51] <luks> then go to project experimental and run "bzr merge --uncommitted ../project"
[20:51] <luks> and in project run "bzr revert"
[20:51] <jml> have the bazaar-vcs.org debs been updated?
[20:51] <izm99> luks: ok, thanks, I'll try that.
[20:51] <luks> that way you will have two branches, one only with the "stable" committed changes, and the experimental one with uncommitted changes
[20:52] <thumper> jml: not yet
[20:52] <jml> what a pain.
[20:56] <izm99> luks: sweet, that worked.  thanks.  :)
[21:10] <ricardokirkner> hi. Is there any documentation (I couldnt find any) on how to use the bzr smart server?
[21:15] <mhb> Hello, I get AssertionError: unexpected response code ('error', "Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar pack repository format 1 (needs bzr 0.92)\\n'") whenever I want to push a change via bzr+ssh.
[21:16] <mhb> using bzr 1.0.0.candidate.1 on python 2.5.1.final.0 (linux2) .
[21:18] <mhb> hmm, sftp seems to work well enough. forget it.
[21:19] <jml> mhb: do you know what version of Bazaar is running on the server?
[21:21] <mhb> jml: I guess that could be it. Thanks!
[21:21] <jml> ricardokirkner: let me have a look.
[21:21] <jml> ricardokirkner: one of the reasons you might not be able to find much documentation is that it's actually quite simple.
[21:22] <jml> ricardokirkner: have you seen http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/index.html#running-a-smart-server?
[21:23] <ricardokirkner> ok, great
[21:23] <ricardokirkner> thanks
[21:28] <jml> ricardokirkner: np.
[21:46] <AnMaster> 1.0 out?!
[21:46] <AnMaster> cool!!
[21:46] <AnMaster> where do I find docs on the gpg signing stuff then?
[21:48] <jelmer> hi AnMaster
[21:48] <jelmer> the user guide contains some documentation probably
[21:48] <jelmer> verifying signatures isn't possible yet afaik
[22:18] <igc> morning all
[22:30] <jelmer> hi igc
[22:30] <jelmer> congrats on 1.0 (-:
[22:30] <igc> hi jelmer - great to hear from you
[22:30] <igc> how are things?
[22:33] <jelmer> Very well, thanks :-)
[22:39] <poolie> hello jelmer, igc
[22:40] <igc> hi poolie
[22:47] <jelmer> hi poolie
[22:47] <jelmer> congrats to you as well!
[23:47] <AnMaster> does bzr have anything like the svn:externals thing?
[23:58] <Peng> AnMaster: Not yet.
[23:58] <AnMaster> ok
[23:58] <AnMaster> Peng, when will it be added ?
[23:58] <AnMaster> 2008?
[23:59] <AnMaster> is there a change log between 0.92 and 1.0?
[23:59] <Peng> AnMaster: Dunno. There's an experimental disk format that supports it, but the commands don't.
[23:59] <Peng> AnMaster: NEWS.