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| neil_d | I have a new edubuntu gutsy install. the client will boot ok if I specify "start_03 = startx" why cant it work with the default ldm ? | 04:31 |
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| johnny | that's not enough info to go on | 04:33 |
| neil_d | johnny: what more info would you like ? | 04:34 |
| johnny | like, why it doesn't work with ldm | 04:34 |
| johnny | what happens | 04:34 |
| neil_d | johnny: it just stops booting at "starting ltsp client" I get a blank screen | 04:35 |
| johnny | you're not using autologin are you? | 04:36 |
| neil_d | johnny: could the client be having trouble with the encryption to the server ? no I am not autologin ! | 04:36 |
| johnny | it's possible | 04:36 |
| johnny | you didn't change the IP since ? | 04:36 |
| neil_d | johnny: I did change the IP but I fairly sure I have done an ltsp-update-sshkeys | 04:38 |
| johnny | did you run ltsp-update-image ? | 04:39 |
| neil_d | johnny: yes! I just check the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/known_hosts and the correct IP addr is in there. | 04:42 |
| johnny | after the sshkeys / | 04:43 |
| johnny | it could be there just fine, but nothing will happen until you run update-image | 04:43 |
| neil_d | johnny: is there a way to test from the client I have a shell ? | 04:43 |
| johnny | yes.. set SCREEN_02=shell | 04:43 |
| johnny | and turn off your startx | 04:43 |
| neil_d | johnny: allready done | 04:44 |
| johnny | and then try running ldm manually | 04:44 |
| johnny | the syntax is odd | 04:44 |
| johnny | something like ldm vt7 :0 | 04:44 |
| neil_d | johnny: it seems to be working now. the "ldm vt7 :0" got me a screen, so I put "SCREEN_03 ldm" into the lts.conf file and its working :) It also looks like I needed a custom xorg.conf file too. | 04:52 |
| johnny | weird | 04:55 |
| johnny | you shouldn't have to put that in there | 04:55 |
| neil_d | johnny: do you think I should worry abount it ? | 04:57 |
| johnny | just as the edubuntu folks about it during the day | 04:57 |
| johnny | ask* | 04:58 |
| neil_d | johnny: day is subjective it 3:58PM here | 04:58 |
| neil_d | johnny: I seem to be having trouble with the "Thin Client Manager" its using 100% CPU and not doing much | 04:59 |
| johnny | true | 04:59 |
| johnny | during the US/European day | 05:00 |
| johnny | thats' when you get the folks around | 05:00 |
| johnny | on a weekday as well | 05:00 |
| johnny | this is where the 6 month ubuntu release cycle is annoying | 05:01 |
| johnny | some bugs end up sticking around | 05:01 |
| neil_d | yea I suppose, but its good have something going :) | 05:01 |
| johnny | i definitely have more ltsp problems with gutsy | 05:01 |
| johnny | i shouldn't have been so hasty to upgrade | 05:01 |
| johnny | i think i only did it cuz autologin was supposed to work out of the box, and i didnt want to use my patched version anymore | 05:02 |
| johnny | and sadly.. i'm using a patched version | 05:02 |
| neil_d | maybe latter in a couple of months it will be better | 05:02 |
| johnny | once again | 05:02 |
| johnny | the patch will prolly not be released for gutsy i bet | 05:02 |
| johnny | hopefully hardy | 05:02 |
| johnny | but the cycle for hardy is coming to a close as well | 05:02 |
| johnny | so much is still changing in the linux world, it's hard to stabilize around a certain set of packages | 05:03 |
| neil_d | I needed to upgrade because I needed a latter python version. I think I will stick with hardy once its out. | 05:03 |
| johnny | but then you'll need something else | 05:04 |
| johnny | lol | 05:04 |
| johnny | that's how it works | 05:04 |
| johnny | i'm still waiting for the policy kit stuff to hit gnome | 05:04 |
| neil_d | whats that ? | 05:04 |
| johnny | and better input hotplug | 05:04 |
| johnny | prolly too long to epxlain here | 05:04 |
| johnny | you should check out all the neat freedesktop.org projects | 05:05 |
| neil_d | a hotplug update/replacement | 05:05 |
| johnny | no | 05:05 |
| johnny | this is at the xorg level | 05:05 |
| neil_d | ok | 05:05 |
| johnny | it interacts with the system/linux hotplug | 05:05 |
| johnny | but xorg doesn't just run on linux | 05:05 |
| johnny | so it has to be more generic | 05:05 |
| neil_d | anyway thanks for the help | 05:07 |
| johnny | ask on the list about your need for doing that SCREEN thing | 05:07 |
| johnny | if you can't make it here during their hours | 05:07 |
| neil_d | ok, i will late one night my time | 05:08 |
| neil_d | it might have something to do with using an odd little computer for the client here. | 05:08 |
| johnny | hmm.. | 05:08 |
| johnny | possibly | 05:08 |
| neil_d | how is the support for the via motherboards with ltsp ? | 05:08 |
| johnny | uhmm.. should be as good as normal linux support | 05:09 |
| neil_d | that is the mini-itx boards | 05:09 |
| johnny | it should be good | 05:09 |
| johnny | it depends on the video car | 05:09 |
| johnny | they aren't always the same chipset iirc | 05:09 |
| neil_d | got four comming, use little compaq computer at the moment. | 05:10 |
| johnny | i hope you checked compat before buying them | 05:10 |
| johnny | as far as video is concerned | 05:10 |
| johnny | being stuck with VESA would suck | 05:10 |
| neil_d | yes it would be, I didn't check though, hope I don't regret that. | 05:12 |
| johnny | well look it up now | 05:13 |
| johnny | so at least you're prepared for suck | 05:13 |
| johnny | search for the chipset with the word linux | 05:13 |
| neil_d | ok | 05:14 |
| neil_d | what are you using edubuntu for. I am constructing a business system. | 05:14 |
| johnny | i'm not using edubuntu at all | 05:15 |
| johnny | just regular ubuntu | 05:15 |
| johnny | but i do use lts | 05:15 |
| johnny | ltsp* | 05:15 |
| johnny | we use it at our collectively run bookstore coffeehouse as public internet terminals | 05:15 |
| johnny | we will end up using it for classes of some sort eventually | 05:16 |
| johnny | in a different location | 05:16 |
| neil_d | I only installed it because, when I ltsp under ubuntu it wasn't working and I thought I had done something wrong, so I tried edubuntu to see if it would work. that good, how many terminals ? | 05:17 |
| * neil_d should read more closely what I type. | 05:17 | |
| johnny | only 4 atm | 05:20 |
| johnny | we don't have much room | 05:20 |
| neil_d | how do you control people downloading stuff do you write protect the home directory or something else ? | 05:23 |
| johnny | i don't | 05:32 |
| johnny | each machine is it's own ~/ | 05:32 |
| johnny | so i just rm -rf | 05:33 |
| johnny | and then it starts with a fresh profile every mornin | 05:33 |
| neil_d | ok | 05:34 |
| neil_d | is there much difference in speed/load between a startx session and a ldm session | 05:44 |
| johnny | i assume startx might be a lil faster | 06:11 |
| johnny | but then you get no local device support | 06:11 |
| johnny | atm at least | 06:11 |
| johnny | or possibly sound | 06:11 |
| neil_d | johnny: ok | 06:32 |
| neil_d | do you need to shutdown the clients or can you just turn them off ? | 06:33 |
| johnny | you're supposed to shut them down prolly | 06:33 |
| neil_d | ok | 06:33 |
| johnny | but i just turn them off.. since many people just power cycle anyways | 06:33 |
| johnny | and there is a bug in the released ltsp in gutsy | 06:33 |
| johnny | that means some processes don't die anyways | 06:33 |
| johnny | even if you do shut down | 06:33 |
| johnny | so when i mentioned i run a command to empty the profiles | 06:34 |
| johnny | it also does pkill -9 -u $user | 06:34 |
| johnny | just to make sure | 06:34 |
| johnny | like so | 06:35 |
| johnny | for i in `getent group terminals | cut -d: -f 4 | sed s/,/' '/g`; do | 06:35 |
| johnny | pkill -9 -u ${i} | 06:35 |
| johnny | # delete directory | 06:36 |
| johnny | done | 06:36 |
| neil_d | does this mean that the server should be reset to keep from losing memory ? | 06:36 |
| johnny | i could prolly do the cut part in the sed, but my regex isn't that good | 06:36 |
| johnny | that should't be a problem if you kill the procs | 06:37 |
| johnny | i was at 1200M/2000M all day | 06:37 |
| johnny | or thereabouts | 06:37 |
| johnny | but now i'm at 650 | 06:37 |
| johnny | leaks aren't very apparent atm | 06:38 |
| johnny | setup a cron to kill all the extra processes for now | 06:38 |
| johnny | there's a script called xterminator that you can integrate into your chroot, so that when they login, the old procs will be killed, but it is broken in gutsy for now | 06:39 |
| johnny | it's not in the repo either | 06:39 |
| johnny | somebody gave me a possible crazy replacement, but i can't verify if it works as i haven't tested it yet | 06:39 |
| johnny | crazy as in.. it's multiline shell script shoved into one line :0 | 06:40 |
| johnny | i think it is somewhere between 50-100 chars long | 06:40 |
| neil_d | I will have to keep an eye on the process list for a while. I do like being able to read the scripts I am running. | 06:40 |
| johnny | i like htop | 06:42 |
| johnny | it shows me if anyting is going crazy like firefox | 06:42 |
| johnny | and then i -9 it | 06:42 |
| johnny | that's prolly my biggest issue atm | 06:42 |
| johnny | i haven't been able to personally replicate it | 06:45 |
| johnny | but it happens when folks use it all day | 06:45 |
| johnny | thinking about installing firefox 3 for that | 06:45 |
| johnny | even though it's in beta | 06:45 |
| neil_d | don't know about firefox 3 | 06:46 |
| LUG | Hi all. Does exist any Italian's language version of EDUbuntu distribution? | 14:03 |
| jbrefort | LUG, distributils are multilingual | 14:07 |
| jbrefort | and Italian is supported by many applications | 14:07 |
| jbrefort | I meant distributions | 14:07 |
| jbrefort | and edubuntu is one of them | 14:07 |
| jbrefort | just choose Italian language when installing | 14:08 |
| LUG | I will try. Many Tnx. | 14:08 |
| daya | Channel, Can I have access to the source code to the LTSP that is integrated in edbunut 7.10 | 14:43 |
| daya | edubuntu 7.10 | 14:43 |
| das-t | sorry, i don't have a running edubuntu at hand. but i guess you might edit your sources.list and add an src additionally to the deb | 14:50 |
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| denvergeek | does anyone know how to disable timed logouts for ltsp clients? | 19:01 |
| johnny | timed logouts? | 19:01 |
| denvergeek | there's no "login window" editor since it's ldm I believe | 19:01 |
| denvergeek | right | 19:01 |
| denvergeek | user is idle for 10 minutes | 19:01 |
| johnny | what timed logouts? | 19:01 |
| johnny | hmm.. i haven't seen that effect | 19:01 |
| johnny | mine never times out | 19:01 |
| denvergeek | default install, edubuntu server 7.10 | 19:02 |
| denvergeek | with ltsp thin clients | 19:02 |
| LaserJock | denvergeek: hmm, I wouldn't have thought that would be enabled by default | 19:02 |
| johnny | i've never heard of this feature | 19:02 |
| denvergeek | me either | 19:03 |
| denvergeek | but | 19:03 |
| denvergeek | 10 minutes of idle time | 19:03 |
| denvergeek | and there it goes | 19:03 |
| denvergeek | I guess I can poke around gconf-editor | 19:03 |
| johnny | sounds like you have something else going on | 19:03 |
| johnny | try disabling the screensaver | 19:03 |
| denvergeek | heh | 19:04 |
| denvergeek | another interesting item | 19:04 |
| johnny | or check the screen saver config in any case | 19:04 |
| denvergeek | when you try to open screensaver-preferences from the preferences menu | 19:04 |
| denvergeek | the X session restarts | 19:04 |
| johnny | yep.. that's your problem | 19:04 |
| denvergeek | ah | 19:04 |
| denvergeek | *click* | 19:04 |
| johnny | it goes idle, starts the screensaver, kills the X, brings up ldm | 19:04 |
| denvergeek | that makes sense | 19:04 |
| denvergeek | yep | 19:04 |
| denvergeek | thanks | 19:05 |
| johnny | you prolly don't want screensavers anyways | 19:05 |
| denvergeek | I sure don't | 19:05 |
| denvergeek | hunting down the packages to remove em | 19:05 |
| johnny | i have htis | 19:06 |
| johnny | in my ltsp config | 19:06 |
| johnny | err chroot/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S15blank-only | 19:06 |
| johnny | ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} "/usr/bin/gconftool-2 --set --type string /apps/gnome-screensaver/mode blank-only" | 19:06 |
| johnny | err S15-screensaver-blankonly | 19:07 |
| denvergeek | just removed gnome-screensaver | 19:08 |
| denvergeek | too late! | 19:08 |
| denvergeek | but thanks for the help though | 19:08 |
| denvergeek | this ltsp setup out of the box is slick though | 19:08 |
| denvergeek | beats the heck out of doing it by hand | 19:08 |
| LaserJock | It's possible that removing the package may cause gnome some fits | 19:09 |
| LaserJock | I've not tried it but I guess you'll find out ;-) | 19:09 |
| denvergeek | no problem so far | 19:15 |
| denvergeek | pulled the menu entries nicely | 19:15 |
| denvergeek | we'll see | 19:15 |
| denvergeek | is there any way I can disable all desktop changes for a given user logging in via ltsp? | 19:53 |
| denvergeek | no create folder/alias/file or anything like that? | 19:53 |
| johnny | i just use sabayon to create a profile | 20:04 |
| johnny | and then rm -rf it | 20:04 |
| johnny | every night | 20:04 |
| johnny | you can lockdown some settings with the lockdown tool, but not as many through the GUI as you seem to need | 20:04 |
| denvergeek | right | 20:04 |
| denvergeek | I've managed to lock-down the default panels and such | 20:05 |
| denvergeek | but | 20:05 |
| denvergeek | I'd like to do away with the desktop context menu as well | 20:05 |
| denvergeek | sabayon seems to crash quite frequently | 20:05 |
| johnny | sadly it's only minor bugs that cause it to do so in my experience | 20:05 |
| denvergeek | yep | 20:06 |
| johnny | the sabayon team is a bit small | 20:06 |
| denvergeek | like removing the trash can for instance | 20:06 |
| denvergeek | yeah | 20:06 |
| denvergeek | no worries | 20:06 |
| denvergeek | I'll figure something out | 20:06 |
| johnny | need to provide a way to provide folders to ignore | 20:06 |
| denvergeek | or set a desktop wipe-out in cron nightly | 20:06 |
| johnny | that's what i do | 20:06 |
| denvergeek | almost done | 20:06 |
| denvergeek | then I can move to local apps | 20:06 |
| denvergeek | weee | 20:06 |
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