=== pauljw_bsd is now known as pauljw === pauljw_ is now known as pauljw [04:31] I have a new edubuntu gutsy install. the client will boot ok if I specify "start_03 = startx" why cant it work with the default ldm ? [04:33] that's not enough info to go on [04:34] johnny: what more info would you like ? [04:34] like, why it doesn't work with ldm [04:34] what happens [04:35] johnny: it just stops booting at "starting ltsp client" I get a blank screen [04:36] you're not using autologin are you? [04:36] johnny: could the client be having trouble with the encryption to the server ? no I am not autologin ! [04:36] it's possible [04:36] you didn't change the IP since ? [04:38] johnny: I did change the IP but I fairly sure I have done an ltsp-update-sshkeys [04:39] did you run ltsp-update-image ? [04:42] johnny: yes! I just check the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/known_hosts and the correct IP addr is in there. [04:43] after the sshkeys / [04:43] it could be there just fine, but nothing will happen until you run update-image [04:43] johnny: is there a way to test from the client I have a shell ? [04:43] yes.. set SCREEN_02=shell [04:43] and turn off your startx [04:44] johnny: allready done [04:44] and then try running ldm manually [04:44] the syntax is odd [04:44] something like ldm vt7 :0 [04:52] johnny: it seems to be working now. the "ldm vt7 :0" got me a screen, so I put "SCREEN_03 ldm" into the lts.conf file and its working :) It also looks like I needed a custom xorg.conf file too. [04:55] weird [04:55] you shouldn't have to put that in there [04:57] johnny: do you think I should worry abount it ? [04:57] just as the edubuntu folks about it during the day [04:58] ask* [04:58] johnny: day is subjective it 3:58PM here [04:59] johnny: I seem to be having trouble with the "Thin Client Manager" its using 100% CPU and not doing much [04:59] true [05:00] during the US/European day [05:00] thats' when you get the folks around [05:00] on a weekday as well [05:01] this is where the 6 month ubuntu release cycle is annoying [05:01] some bugs end up sticking around [05:01] yea I suppose, but its good have something going :) [05:01] i definitely have more ltsp problems with gutsy [05:01] i shouldn't have been so hasty to upgrade [05:02] i think i only did it cuz autologin was supposed to work out of the box, and i didnt want to use my patched version anymore [05:02] and sadly.. i'm using a patched version [05:02] maybe latter in a couple of months it will be better [05:02] once again [05:02] the patch will prolly not be released for gutsy i bet [05:02] hopefully hardy [05:02] but the cycle for hardy is coming to a close as well [05:03] so much is still changing in the linux world, it's hard to stabilize around a certain set of packages [05:03] I needed to upgrade because I needed a latter python version. I think I will stick with hardy once its out. [05:04] but then you'll need something else [05:04] lol [05:04] that's how it works [05:04] i'm still waiting for the policy kit stuff to hit gnome [05:04] whats that ? [05:04] and better input hotplug [05:04] prolly too long to epxlain here [05:05] you should check out all the neat freedesktop.org projects [05:05] a hotplug update/replacement [05:05] no [05:05] this is at the xorg level [05:05] ok [05:05] it interacts with the system/linux hotplug [05:05] but xorg doesn't just run on linux [05:05] so it has to be more generic [05:07] anyway thanks for the help [05:07] ask on the list about your need for doing that SCREEN thing [05:07] if you can't make it here during their hours [05:08] ok, i will late one night my time [05:08] it might have something to do with using an odd little computer for the client here. [05:08] hmm.. [05:08] possibly [05:08] how is the support for the via motherboards with ltsp ? [05:09] uhmm.. should be as good as normal linux support [05:09] that is the mini-itx boards [05:09] it should be good [05:09] it depends on the video car [05:09] they aren't always the same chipset iirc [05:10] got four comming, use little compaq computer at the moment. [05:10] i hope you checked compat before buying them [05:10] as far as video is concerned [05:10] being stuck with VESA would suck [05:12] yes it would be, I didn't check though, hope I don't regret that. [05:13] well look it up now [05:13] so at least you're prepared for suck [05:13] search for the chipset with the word linux [05:14] ok [05:14] what are you using edubuntu for. I am constructing a business system. [05:15] i'm not using edubuntu at all [05:15] just regular ubuntu [05:15] but i do use lts [05:15] ltsp* [05:15] we use it at our collectively run bookstore coffeehouse as public internet terminals [05:16] we will end up using it for classes of some sort eventually [05:16] in a different location [05:17] I only installed it because, when I ltsp under ubuntu it wasn't working and I thought I had done something wrong, so I tried edubuntu to see if it would work. that good, how many terminals ? [05:17] * neil_d should read more closely what I type. [05:20] only 4 atm [05:20] we don't have much room [05:23] how do you control people downloading stuff do you write protect the home directory or something else ? [05:32] i don't [05:32] each machine is it's own ~/ [05:33] so i just rm -rf [05:33] and then it starts with a fresh profile every mornin [05:34] ok [05:44] is there much difference in speed/load between a startx session and a ldm session [06:11] i assume startx might be a lil faster [06:11] but then you get no local device support [06:11] atm at least [06:11] or possibly sound [06:32] johnny: ok [06:33] do you need to shutdown the clients or can you just turn them off ? [06:33] you're supposed to shut them down prolly [06:33] ok [06:33] but i just turn them off.. since many people just power cycle anyways [06:33] and there is a bug in the released ltsp in gutsy [06:33] that means some processes don't die anyways [06:33] even if you do shut down [06:34] so when i mentioned i run a command to empty the profiles [06:34] it also does pkill -9 -u $user [06:34] just to make sure [06:35] like so [06:35] for i in `getent group terminals | cut -d: -f 4 | sed s/,/' '/g`; do [06:35] pkill -9 -u ${i} [06:36] # delete directory [06:36] done [06:36] does this mean that the server should be reset to keep from losing memory ? [06:36] i could prolly do the cut part in the sed, but my regex isn't that good [06:37] that should't be a problem if you kill the procs [06:37] i was at 1200M/2000M all day [06:37] or thereabouts [06:37] but now i'm at 650 [06:38] leaks aren't very apparent atm [06:38] setup a cron to kill all the extra processes for now [06:39] there's a script called xterminator that you can integrate into your chroot, so that when they login, the old procs will be killed, but it is broken in gutsy for now [06:39] it's not in the repo either [06:39] somebody gave me a possible crazy replacement, but i can't verify if it works as i haven't tested it yet [06:40] crazy as in.. it's multiline shell script shoved into one line :0 [06:40] i think it is somewhere between 50-100 chars long [06:40] I will have to keep an eye on the process list for a while. I do like being able to read the scripts I am running. [06:42] i like htop [06:42] it shows me if anyting is going crazy like firefox [06:42] and then i -9 it [06:42] that's prolly my biggest issue atm [06:45] i haven't been able to personally replicate it [06:45] but it happens when folks use it all day [06:45] thinking about installing firefox 3 for that [06:45] even though it's in beta [06:46] don't know about firefox 3 [14:03] Hi all. Does exist any Italian's language version of EDUbuntu distribution? [14:07] LUG, distributils are multilingual [14:07] and Italian is supported by many applications [14:07] I meant distributions [14:07] and edubuntu is one of them [14:08] just choose Italian language when installing [14:08] I will try. Many Tnx. [14:43] Channel, Can I have access to the source code to the LTSP that is integrated in edbunut 7.10 [14:43] edubuntu 7.10 [14:50] sorry, i don't have a running edubuntu at hand. but i guess you might edit your sources.list and add an src additionally to the deb === pauljw_ is now known as pauljw [19:01] does anyone know how to disable timed logouts for ltsp clients? [19:01] timed logouts? [19:01] there's no "login window" editor since it's ldm I believe [19:01] right [19:01] user is idle for 10 minutes [19:01] what timed logouts? [19:01] hmm.. i haven't seen that effect [19:01] mine never times out [19:02] default install, edubuntu server 7.10 [19:02] with ltsp thin clients [19:02] denvergeek: hmm, I wouldn't have thought that would be enabled by default [19:02] i've never heard of this feature [19:03] me either [19:03] but [19:03] 10 minutes of idle time [19:03] and there it goes [19:03] I guess I can poke around gconf-editor [19:03] sounds like you have something else going on [19:03] try disabling the screensaver [19:04] heh [19:04] another interesting item [19:04] or check the screen saver config in any case [19:04] when you try to open screensaver-preferences from the preferences menu [19:04] the X session restarts [19:04] yep.. that's your problem [19:04] ah [19:04] *click* [19:04] it goes idle, starts the screensaver, kills the X, brings up ldm [19:04] that makes sense [19:04] yep [19:05] thanks [19:05] you prolly don't want screensavers anyways [19:05] I sure don't [19:05] hunting down the packages to remove em [19:06] i have htis [19:06] in my ltsp config [19:06] err chroot/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S15blank-only [19:06] ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} "/usr/bin/gconftool-2 --set --type string /apps/gnome-screensaver/mode blank-only" [19:07] err S15-screensaver-blankonly [19:08] just removed gnome-screensaver [19:08] too late! [19:08] but thanks for the help though [19:08] this ltsp setup out of the box is slick though [19:08] beats the heck out of doing it by hand [19:09] It's possible that removing the package may cause gnome some fits [19:09] I've not tried it but I guess you'll find out ;-) [19:15] no problem so far [19:15] pulled the menu entries nicely [19:15] we'll see [19:53] is there any way I can disable all desktop changes for a given user logging in via ltsp? [19:53] no create folder/alias/file or anything like that? [20:04] i just use sabayon to create a profile [20:04] and then rm -rf it [20:04] every night [20:04] you can lockdown some settings with the lockdown tool, but not as many through the GUI as you seem to need [20:04] right [20:05] I've managed to lock-down the default panels and such [20:05] but [20:05] I'd like to do away with the desktop context menu as well [20:05] sabayon seems to crash quite frequently [20:05] sadly it's only minor bugs that cause it to do so in my experience [20:06] yep [20:06] the sabayon team is a bit small [20:06] like removing the trash can for instance [20:06] yeah [20:06] no worries [20:06] I'll figure something out [20:06] need to provide a way to provide folders to ignore [20:06] or set a desktop wipe-out in cron nightly [20:06] that's what i do [20:06] almost done [20:06] then I can move to local apps [20:06] weee