[00:05] If I was to search for one file that signifies KDE is installed, what would it be? [00:06] dpkg -l kdebase* [00:06] dpkg -l kdebase* |grep ii [00:06] that is even better [00:07] well that only works on debian based. Suppose its RPM based [00:08] ls /usr/share/apps/ [00:08] if you have a sea of apps starting with K, then you might be on to something :) [00:09] red_team316: is it snowing down by you right now? [00:09] yea, we got 4 inches of snow so far and its still coming down [00:09] is it just me, or is kwin in kde4 running smoother/better with effects enabled than disabled? [00:09] holy smokes [00:09] we only have a couple of inches up here in Chicago [00:10] * claydoh braces for another Nor'Easter toimorrow [00:10] it is running great with effects disabled for me claydoh [00:10] claydoh: you are getting what red_team316 and I are getting [00:10] s/are/will be [00:10] we already have hade a foot and a half of the white stuff this winter [00:10] which is unusual [00:11] this early [00:11] what would you expect for maine this type of year? :) [00:11] a brown christmas :) [00:11] hell, you guys even had a late season hurricane up around there didn't you? [00:11] as is the norm lol [00:12] ya, brown christmas here in Chicago has been the norm as well [00:12] we had a gusty spell form one iirc, but no real hurricane i think [00:12] I remember the 1995 nor'easter that brought 4 feet of snow tot he DC metro area in less than 2 days [00:13] and the 1994 nor'easter that brought tons of ice [00:13] colder=better, as I remember our ioce storm in 98, subzero temps and no poere for over 4 days [00:13] s/ioce/ice [00:13] like Oklahoma...but they told them 7 to 10 days until power is back [00:14] yeah, our outer towns went about that long [00:14] but here no one was hurt or died [00:14] i can't imagine no power for 7 to 10 days [00:15] ya I couldn't either [00:15] no internet for that long...pfft, I would go nuts :) [00:15] 4 days was terrible [00:15] 4 hours was terrible :) [00:15] no phone/tv/net/heat [00:16] not having a phone would be fine with me [00:16] tv is iffy [00:16] net, no way [00:16] we drove an hour one way to get to nearest family (and a wood stove) [00:16] heat, I have enough clothes ;) [00:16] we had to hand pump water from the well there :) [00:17] even for the toilet to flush [00:17] heh [00:19] luckily it was about 5-10 degrees F, so we just threw our food into a cooler or 2 and buried it under some snow/ice [00:20] Seems it's having kdepim-kde4 installed that messes with kmail [00:28] where is KDE's equivalent to /usr/bin/gnome-session. I cant find a kde-session :/ [00:28] what is gnome-session? [00:28] startkde [00:29] as far as I know, it's the file that allows you to login to gnome [00:29] then exactly what pexi said :) [00:29] red_team316: is the command to start kde [00:30] thanks, found it [00:31] figured it would have started with a k [00:59] Ok, I have made a few packages and am really liking debhelper and devscripts [00:59] Not sure I like pbuilder, tho [01:21] what do i do about soprano when compiling kde4 on gutsy? (it wants 1.99) [01:22] http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/ [01:22] * vorian hides from nixternal [01:22] yuriy, on that link [01:23] thanks vorian [01:23] er isn't this just the one from gutsy? [01:24] it complains about libc6 [01:24] hrmm computer froze while i was out for dinner, upon restart kde4 session doesn't provide the taskbar (or whatever its technical term is) [01:24] yuriy, it's for hardy /me thinks [01:25] intall libsoprano4 first then libsoprano-dev [01:25] vorian: libsoprano4 wants libc6 >= 2.7-1); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.6.1-1ubuntu10. [01:26] also wants newer qt and libclucene [01:27] hmm [01:27] did you try to compile from svn ~/kdesupport/soprano? [01:27] vorian: well i think it is compiled from there too but it's using the system one and i don't know how to change that [01:29] afaik, it was built from svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesupport/soprano [01:34] hrmm [01:36] ok somehow my application launcher, my system tray and everything has disappeared in my kde4 version [03:23] hey, want to share this b/c it took me forever to find. i was getting symbol lookup errors from libQt* trying to run kde 4 apps on hardy. turns out the /opt/nessus/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf was causing the problem. removed it and kde 4 apps now work === aRyn_ is now known as aRyn === aRyn_ is now known as aRyn [06:35] A question regrding the KDE4 RC2 live CD: [06:36] Does anyone knw if it does something odd with X11? [06:37] I have never had a problem installing kubuntu on my old Sony Vaio PCG-XG19 [06:37] but with this live CD I see it start up, and then crash, then restart... repeatedly [06:38] When I start in safe graphics mode it's ok === kblizzzek is now known as blizzzek [08:49] Lure: what do you want to hunt me to do? [09:08] Hobbsee: do you have archive powers? Can you sync digikam and kipi-plugins? [09:09] Hobbsee: bug 176615 and bug 176620 [09:09] Launchpad bug 176615 in digikam "sync digikam 0.9.3~rc1-1 from debian/experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176615 [09:09] Launchpad bug 176620 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.5~beta1-3 from debian/experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176620 [09:09] Lure: no, not unless i use pitti's sync script [09:09] Hobbsee: ok, no problem will wait for archive day than [09:35] Anyone know how to launch the panel applet in KDE4? it crashed and doesn't want to come back. [09:35] plasma? [09:36] Yeah, plasma is running and I have applets on the desktop but no panel. [09:42] Moving plasma-appletsrc out of the way fixed it. [10:13] stdin: please attach -kde4 to the kopete-encrypt thing and get a revu admin to nuke the one without -kde4 [10:17] stdin: the close bug should be * Initial release (LP: #176471) - i.e. no seperate line [10:17] stdin: please state the version of GPL under which the package is licensed [10:18] stdin: build-dep on kdelibs5-dev is redundant since kdenetwork-dev-kde4 depends on it [10:21] stdin: please don't exceed 80 characters for build-depends (line break + next line starts with a whitespace [10:21] ) [10:22] stdin: section should be kde [10:25] apachelogger: done all that except it does say "This package is licenced under the GNU/GPL version 2 or later" already in debian/copyright [10:25] morning [10:26] morning cheguevara [10:26] stdin: uhm, don't see that in the .diff on revu ... should be GNU GPL anyway :P [10:26] oh [10:26] ah [10:26] well [10:26] * apachelogger starts thinking [10:27] stdin: please state at the "The Debian packaging is..." that it is GPL version 2 or later as well [10:28] might lead to confusion though, as we just noticed ;-) [10:30] right, done that, I'll upload as soon as the 1st upload clears from /incoming :p [10:30] * cheguevara wonders if apachelogger will review kmldonkey-kde4 next [10:30] kay [10:30] the only difference is the "version 2 or later" bit anyway [10:30] cheguevara: nah, post-launch I'll study some french [10:30] have a major exam tomorrow [10:31] oh cool [10:31] though it's kinda pointless since I haven't learned anything yet -.- [10:31] heh [10:31] scalure blau :O [10:32] jpatrick could review as well :P [10:34] hmm, you got me [10:34] cheguevara: what is quilt needed for? [10:34] the patches [10:34] jpatrick: for tha cdbs stuff [10:34] no [10:35] dunno why i just said that [10:35] :P [10:35] first think - then write :P [10:35] so true [10:36] cheguevara: today is not Thu the 15th [10:36] it wasn't uploaded today [10:36] yes, but yesterday was the 15th and it was Sat [10:36] actually [10:36] i see ur point [10:37] yeah sorry, really should think first as apachelogger said :P [10:37] cheguevara: it's easier to use "dch" to create changelog entries :) [10:38] what can be easier then nanon?! [10:38] :P [10:38] *nano [10:38] like i said, dch :p [10:39] the right answer is pico :P [10:39] pico == nano [10:39] stdin, thanks will do [10:39] nah nano is improved pic [10:39] *pico [10:39] stdin: btw, you might want to use XSBC-Original-Maintainer [10:40] cheguevara: I mean by default pico is actually nano [10:40] apachelogger: I was going to do that yesterday but got distracted by something shiny [10:41] stdin, oh i see what you mean [10:41] never knew its like that on ubuntu [10:41] stdin: same with kopete*-kde4, today not Thu [10:42] :P [10:42] rofl [10:42] now, ksirk seriously needs some graphics guy [10:51] apachelogger: is this one ok? [10:53] stdin: please update debianized date in copyright [10:55] anything else before I upload? [10:55] yes [10:55] stdin: gettext is redundant [10:55] debhelper depends on po-debconf and that depends on gettext [10:55] * Version: 4:3.97.0-0ubuntu2~gutsy1~ppa1 [10:55] * Architecture: amd64 [10:55] * Archive: kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA [10:55] & lpia died. [10:57] Hobbsee: I re-uploaded just about everything to fix the .desktop files issues and to include the patch to startkde === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [10:59] meh [10:59] wocka connection -.- [10:59] stdin: what's the last comment you got? [10:59] " debhelper depends on po-debconf and that depends on gettext" [11:00] cheguevara: please remove the line break in build-depends of kmldonkey [11:00] stdin: debian/control, line 6 -> you forgot to remove the versin number from kdelibs5-dev [11:00] Please attach a "This is the KDE 4 version from extragear." or something to the [11:00] description [11:01] apachelogger, kk [11:01] i am off to work, pm me if there's anything else [11:01] cheguevara: changelog date still wrong [11:01] jpatrick: can you check that debian/copyright is correct for kmldonkey [11:01] I'll build meanwhile [11:01] apachelogger: well there is no kde3 version, so I didn't think that was necessary [11:02] apachelogger: okay [11:02] stdin: well, it's needed to ensure the user notes that this is a kde4 package ;-) [11:02] ye know, users don't wanna read ^_^ [11:08] cheguevara: btw, did you find out why kmldonkey only recommends mldonkey-server? [11:09] cheguevara: kmlplasma/* is not in debian/copyright? [11:10] jpatrick: why should it? [11:10] Sebastian Sauer has a general copyright and the files are GPL2+ [11:11] apachelogger: so why is he listed elsewhere? [11:11] jpatrick: because there also muesli got a copyright :P [11:12] :P [11:13] copyright looks okay then [11:13] build and deps are ok as well [11:14] should I upload? [11:14] well [11:14] he didn't upload the fixes yet [11:14] though they are all unimportant ones [11:14] * apachelogger checks again [11:15] I can edit the date in changelog [11:15] jpatrick: remove the line break in build-depends as well [11:16] everthing is okay [11:19] done [11:24] hrrhrr [11:24] cheguevara: thanks for your contribution :) [11:24] but don't stop there [11:25] * apachelogger thinks cheguevara totally targets becoming a MOTU ;-) [11:56] Was libqt4-debug-dev replaced by some other package? [11:57] libqt4-debug [11:58] ok.. I thought so thanks [12:02] woohoo, just 25 days remaining and the horrible ad will go away! [12:05] also, I will meet a girl that both likes me and is totally into GNU/Linux. Groovy! It is good that the dream becomes reality. [12:05] haha [12:06] mhb: they do exist. however, those who do exist think as you do, but s/girl/guy/ in most cases :) [12:06] 'tis a cruel world :P [12:06] The first group exists, no doubt about that. [12:07] Erm... [12:07] the girls that are into Linux exist [12:07] but the other group is an empty set, so it is kind of hard to find a non-empty intersection. [12:07] :o) [12:08] haha :) [12:09] <_buz> for the people who use kwin_composite: do you use it on gutsy or hardy? does it crash x.org for you as well? [12:09] well I dont use kwin_composite or kwin4_composite exactly because of that. [12:09] it crashes. [12:10] <_buz> do you see kwin or x.org crash? it seems that its x.org thats really crashing [12:10] <_buz> if the window manager crashes, x wouldnt restart [12:12] well, I usually get some large white squares and it is totally slow so I have to restart X. [12:12] unless it reacts so slow that i have to power off the computer. [12:12] that happens here. [12:12] <_buz> no usually mine either freezes or outright crashes x [12:13] <_buz> i sometimes have to cold boot the machine because nothing reacts anymore [12:52] What were the new kde4 packages that I just installed from the repos? [12:52] Just updated /tweaked stuff? [13:08] Hobbsee: could you give back kdeaccessibility-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdemultimedia-kde4 kdenetwork-kde4 kdepim-kde4 kdesdk-kde4 kdetoys-kde4 extragear-plasma [13:08] and raise their priority [13:15] what does the new kde4 update? === Schneeflocke is now known as Shely === Shely is now known as Schneeflocke === _czessi is now known as Czessi === jussi01_ is now known as jussi01 [16:24] hello [16:24] i want to learn kde / qt 4 development [16:24] how easy is to set it up on kubuntu ? [17:43] re [17:43] im [17:46] whats up [17:47] kidding as always [17:47] re & im are the usual identifiers for real & imaginary parts of a complex number. [17:48] apachelogger, thx for sponsoring :P [17:48] mhb, heh :P [17:48] and you shouldn't really write "re" unless you want to say something or somebody is waiting for you. [17:48] we all know you're here if you answer the questions we might have. [17:49] cheguevara: it's not that you are a criminal or something, it's just a tiny part of the code of IRC. [17:49] as an irc network admin I am quiet familiar with IRC :P [17:51] cheguevara: and yet you break the code of it... fascinating. [17:53] stdin, thanks for fixing kdebase-workspace (again) and sorry for that typo [17:54] worst thing is that went upstream :( [18:01] Riddell, you around? === luka74 is now known as Lure [18:22] mhb: you also have problem with brightness keys? [18:27] still, yes. [18:30] mhb: do you have gutsy on it? New packages to test are in my ppa... [18:30] mhb: it look like they did not work due to stupid typo :-( [18:31] no, I'm hardy now. [18:32] cheguevara: hi [18:32] mhb: will prepare hardy packages when I get at least one confirmation from gutsy [18:33] Riddell: do you know how QLibrary works for loading dynamic libraries? [18:33] Lure: can't say I do [18:33] Riddell: k9copy needs -dev packages to properly load libGL.so.1 [18:34] Riddell: I do not think it is normal to depend on -dev package... [18:34] Riddell, hey, do you think you can get ubuntu7 of kdebase-workspace into archives [18:34] Riddell: problem is that -dev installs symbolic link from libGL.so to libGL.so.1 - w/o that, k9copy crashes [18:34] debdiff by stdin is at #176135 [18:35] i've already got the change upstream [18:36] Lure: strace the app, it may well need the .so or the .la [18:36] Riddell: but this is really bad... [18:36] cheguevara: umm, where is it? [18:37] Lure: if so you can probably patch the app to load a paticular version, that's what we did the qt4 and libssl [18:42] Riddell, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10922728/kdebase-workspace_3.97.0-1ubuntu7.debdiff [18:58] Riddell: yep, versioned request for "GL.so.1" [18:58] works [18:59] Riddell: will talk with upstream to consider changing this for next version === blizzz is now known as blizzzek [19:42] anyone else experience hotkey issues with kde4 rc2? [19:42] <_buz> yeah [19:42] <_buz> most hotkeys for kwin didnt work [19:43] <_buz> thought it was something about my config so didnt bother looking into it further [19:43] k. good, then it's not just me. [19:43] <_buz> interestingly, they DO work if you run kwin-kde4 in kde3 [19:44] hum.. i also need to figure out how to disable the url/e-mail mouse-over effects in konsole. === _buz is now known as buz === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [20:04] yeah... annoying === uga is now known as uga|brb === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [22:01] Riddell, you still around [22:01] hi cheguevara [22:02] Riddell, was gonna package kcoloredit, but no COPYING file again, do you know who I can bug on irc [22:02] cheguevara: toma is the extragear man [22:02] I suppose I could just commit one [22:03] that would be great :) [22:03] Riddell, did you see the debdiff btw? [22:04] cheguevara: don't think I did [22:05] do you want the link again? [22:05] cheguevara: ok [22:06] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10922728/kdebase-workspace_3.97.0-1ubuntu7.debdiff [22:07] cheguevara: added COPYING to kcoloredit [22:07] thanks Riddell [22:11] Riddell: mounting for devices not listed in /etc/fstab is done ;-) now i'm working on proper unmounting. [22:12] iRon: what are you doing? [22:12] * Lure_ is happy so many new contributors [22:13] nosrednaekim: "User Hard Disk Mounting" from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuHardyCatchup [22:13] iRon: ooh ooh ooh [22:13] nosrednaekim: btw, I did not forget about you powermanager improvement, I just did not look into guidance for hardy yet (will probably do over holidays) [22:13] cheguevara: uploaded kdebase-workspace [22:13] Lure_: yeah... its ok, I understand :D [22:13] Riddell, nice, thanks, sorry for the mess up again [22:17] Riddell: do i need to display full command in kdesudo dialog? or just provide user-friednly message? something line "Admin privileges required for..." [22:17] *like === Mez is now known as Mez__ [22:21] Riddell, kdesdk-kde4_3.97.0-0ubuntu2 doesn't seem to build btw [22:22] hmm, how hard is it to write a kde3 control center module in pyqt4? [22:22] cheguevara: it seems to have dependency problems, kate won't start because its missing some library [22:22] i got [22:22] CMake Error: This project requires some variables to be set, [22:22] and cmake can not find them. [22:22] Please set the following variables: [22:22] KICKER_WORKSPACE_LIBRARY [22:22] * nosrednaekim is looking at the compiz config control center module [22:23] iRon: I don't think kdesudo does user friendly messages [22:23] nosrednaekim: not possible [22:23] Riddell: thats seems to be what the spec is saying. [22:24] Riddell: it does.. kdesudo --caption "Caption" --comment "Dialog text" -d ... [22:24] in KubuntuHardyCatchup#Compiz [22:24] iRon: ah well, there you go then :) [22:24] Riddell: ok [22:25] nosrednaekim: oh it would need to be a standalone app for KDE 3. the alternative is to write it in pyKDE 3 which is daft at this stange as it would need to be re-written soon [22:26] Riddell: well, I am quite willing to try to write it in pyqt4, there are compiz python bindings, right? [22:26] nosrednaekim: I don't know if there's compiz python bindings [22:27] ahh... yep there are.... [22:27] nosrednaekim: but mostly it's just setting a value somewhere so a login script sets KDEWM to the right value [22:28] nosrednaekim: and setting some compiz settings, which are just written in .ini style [22:28] pretty easy then?cool, I see what I can do over Christmas .... [22:29] nosrednaekim: do ping mhb about that, he had a UI mockup [22:29] afternoon [22:29] is there an ark replacement for kde4? [22:29] ark is in KDE 4 I'm pretty sure [22:29] Riddell: ok,I will. [22:29] fdoving: there is the tar:/kio slave [22:30] Riddell: not in the lp ppa as far as i can tell. [22:30] nosrednaekim: it's not that good at .rar and .zip :) [22:30] fdoving: fdoving it's in kdeutils [22:30] hi jjesse [22:31] fdoving: hmm i'll check [22:31] fdoving: wors fine on zips [22:32] *works [22:32] fdoving: oh... thats the "zip" kio-slave I guess. [22:32] then unlucky with my .rars. [22:32] + i'm [22:32] heh [22:35] i remember reading somewhere kde 4's ark won't have rar support [22:35] hello Riddell any in-laws showing up? [22:35] because the author couldn't get it done before feature freeze [22:36] jjesse: not today thankfully [22:36] Riddell: so what settings should this app have? like desktop size,shadows, and the fade animation? just basic stuff? [22:37] :) [22:37] ouch, konsole4 does not have the 'drop-url-popup-menu' anymore. [22:37] need to type wget myself, or kfmclient copy :| [22:38] nosrednaekim: have you seen the gnome one? [22:38] nosrednaekim: just a very simple app, off, on basic, on bling [22:38] nosrednaekim: oh it also needs to install it (probably using adept-batch) [22:38] * mhb 's here if anyone needs him. [22:38] Riddell: no I haven't... I try to stay away from the brown side of the fence [22:39] mhb: you have a UI mockup for the compiz-manager? [22:39] you mean a desktop effects for KDE? [22:39] nosrednaekim: http://ramkumarshankar.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/gutsy-appearance.png [22:40] I don't think that the final one they have but it's close [22:40] ok [22:40] does compiz's kde window manager work nicely yet [22:40] I've got more than that. [22:40] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/desktop-effects-kde [22:42] Riddell: not enough options there.... too Gnomish ;) [22:42] heh [22:43] nosrednaekim: check the code out, and work on it! [22:43] mhb: cool :D [22:43] nosrednaekim: the UI is almost complete, and there's a Qt4 and KDE3 frontend. [22:44] wow... you work fast [22:47] ok, this is a crazy idea... is it possible to use kwin4 in kde3? [22:47] and bypass compiz all-togther? [22:47] mhb: does it have any functionality? [22:48] Riddell, there's a po folder in kcoloredit shouldn't all translations be in l10n-kde4 [22:49] cheguevara: extragear apps will include their own translations [22:50] oh right [22:50] Riddell: unfortunately not. [22:50] someone has to write the config-writing part. [22:50] and the config-detection ... well the hard stuff. [22:51] mhb: you did the fun part! :D [22:51] unfortunately. [22:52] I don't hear any remorse.. [22:52] i'll look into it :D [22:57] Riddell, is there anything special that needs to be done in debian/rules for the translations in this case or with cdbs handle it [22:58] cheguevara: the normal compile will handle it [22:58] Riddell, cool thanks [23:01] mhb: ok, so all the hard stuff gets called from enable and disable? aren't there going to be different level? [23:03] nosrednaekim: not sure what you mean ... [23:03] but feel free to do whatever you want [23:04] mhb: ok [23:05] hmm, you're not able to commit, are you. [23:06] mhb: nope, and what I was asking didn't make any sense.... I just read it again and I was confused :D [23:06] mhb: I suppose I could always branch it [23:07] right. [23:07] Hmm.. I'm be interested in a screenshot of dolphin running in kde4. I hear the dolphin in kde4 is much different than dolphin in gutsy [23:08] ardchoille: good take a look at the KDE4-RC2 release announcement [23:08] *go [23:10] nosrednaekim: Thanks [23:10] I'll have to wait until I buy some blacnk cd's, tho [23:10] ardchoille: no, they have pictures on it :D [23:10] ardchoille: if you need a more specific picture I can probably take one. [23:11] nosrednaekim: The only thing I see is a link to download the kde4 livecd [23:11] http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php [23:11] ardchoille:I meant the offical kde one, on kde.org [23:11] Unless you are talking about a different release announcement [23:11] Ah, ok [23:12] Wow, those guys work fast: 11th December 2007 - KDE 4.0 Release Candidate 12 Released [23:12] rc12 has been released :) [23:12] heh [23:12] someone has a eeepc and some big hands.. [23:12] XD [23:12] hehe [23:14] eeepc uses kde 3.4.2 [23:14]