[00:05] <red_team316> If I was to search for one file that signifies KDE is installed, what would it be?
[00:06] <nixternal> dpkg -l kdebase*
[00:06] <nixternal> dpkg -l kdebase* |grep ii
[00:06] <nixternal> that is even better
[00:07] <red_team316> well that only works on debian based. Suppose its RPM based
[00:08] <nixternal> ls /usr/share/apps/
[00:08] <nixternal> if you have a sea of apps starting with K, then you might be on to something :)
[00:09] <nixternal> red_team316: is it snowing down by you right now?
[00:09] <red_team316> yea, we got 4 inches of snow so far and its still coming down
[00:09] <claydoh> is it just me, or is kwin in kde4 running smoother/better with effects enabled than disabled?
[00:09] <nixternal> holy smokes
[00:09] <nixternal> we only have a couple of inches up here in Chicago
[00:10]  * claydoh braces for another Nor'Easter toimorrow
[00:10] <nixternal> it is running great with effects disabled for me claydoh
[00:10] <nixternal> claydoh: you are getting what red_team316 and I are getting
[00:10] <nixternal> s/are/will be
[00:10] <claydoh> we already have hade a foot and a half of the white stuff this winter
[00:10] <claydoh> which is unusual
[00:11] <claydoh> this early
[00:11] <nixternal> what would you expect for maine this type of year? :)
[00:11] <claydoh> a brown christmas :)
[00:11] <nixternal> hell, you guys even had a late season hurricane up around there didn't you?
[00:11] <claydoh> as is the norm lol
[00:12] <nixternal> ya, brown christmas here in Chicago has been the norm as well
[00:12] <claydoh> we had a gusty spell form one iirc, but no real hurricane i think
[00:12] <nixternal> I remember the 1995 nor'easter that brought 4 feet of snow tot he DC metro area in less than 2 days
[00:13] <nixternal> and the 1994 nor'easter that brought tons of ice
[00:13] <claydoh> colder=better, as I remember our ioce storm in 98, subzero temps and no poere for over 4 days
[00:13] <claydoh> s/ioce/ice
[00:13] <nixternal> like Oklahoma...but they told them 7 to 10 days until power is back
[00:14] <claydoh> yeah, our outer towns went about that long
[00:14] <claydoh> but here no one was hurt or died
[00:14] <yuriy> i can't imagine no power for 7 to 10 days
[00:15] <nixternal> ya I couldn't either
[00:15] <nixternal> no internet for that long...pfft, I would go nuts :)
[00:15] <claydoh> 4 days was terrible
[00:15] <nixternal> 4 hours was terrible :)
[00:15] <claydoh> no phone/tv/net/heat
[00:16] <nixternal> not having a phone would be fine with me
[00:16] <nixternal> tv is iffy
[00:16] <nixternal> net, no way
[00:16] <claydoh> we drove an hour one way to get to nearest family (and a wood stove)
[00:16] <nixternal> heat, I have enough clothes ;)
[00:16] <claydoh> we had to hand pump water from the well there :)
[00:17] <claydoh> even for the toilet to flush
[00:17] <claydoh> heh
[00:19] <claydoh> luckily it was about 5-10 degrees F, so we just threw our food into a cooler or 2 and buried it under some snow/ice
[00:20] <hads> Seems it's having kdepim-kde4 installed that messes with kmail
[00:28] <red_team316> where is KDE's equivalent to /usr/bin/gnome-session. I cant find a kde-session :/
[00:28] <nixternal> what is gnome-session?
[00:28] <pexi> startkde
[00:29] <red_team316> as far as I know, it's the file that allows you to login to gnome
[00:29] <nixternal> then exactly what pexi said :)
[00:29] <pexi> red_team316: is the command to start kde
[00:30] <red_team316> thanks, found it
[00:31] <red_team316> figured it would have started with a k
[00:59] <ardchoille> Ok, I have made a few packages and am really liking debhelper and devscripts
[00:59] <ardchoille> Not sure I like pbuilder, tho
[01:21] <yuriy> what do i do about soprano when compiling kde4 on gutsy? (it wants 1.99)
[01:22] <vorian> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/
[01:22]  * vorian hides from nixternal 
[01:22] <vorian> yuriy, on that link
[01:23] <yuriy> thanks vorian
[01:23] <yuriy> er isn't this just the one from gutsy?
[01:24] <yuriy> it complains about libc6
[01:24] <jjesse> hrmm computer froze while i was out for dinner, upon restart kde4 session doesn't provide the taskbar (or whatever its technical term is)
[01:24] <vorian> yuriy, it's for hardy /me thinks
[01:25] <vorian> intall libsoprano4 first then libsoprano-dev
[01:25] <yuriy> vorian: libsoprano4 wants libc6 >= 2.7-1); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.6.1-1ubuntu10.
[01:26] <yuriy> also wants newer qt and libclucene
[01:27] <vorian> hmm
[01:27] <vorian> did you try to compile from svn ~/kdesupport/soprano?
[01:27] <yuriy> vorian: well i think it is compiled from there too but it's using the system one and i don't know how to change that
[01:29] <vorian> afaik, it was built from svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdesupport/soprano
[01:34] <jjesse> hrmm
[01:36] <jjesse> ok somehow my application launcher, my system tray and everything has disappeared in my kde4 version
[03:23] <tlayton> hey, want to share this b/c it took me forever to find. i was getting symbol lookup errors from libQt* trying to run kde 4 apps on hardy. turns out the /opt/nessus/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf was causing the problem. removed it and kde 4 apps now work
[06:35] <mgolden> A question regrding the KDE4 RC2 live CD:
[06:36] <mgolden> Does anyone knw if it does something odd with X11?
[06:37] <mgolden> I have never had a problem installing kubuntu on my old Sony Vaio PCG-XG19
[06:37] <mgolden> but with this live CD I see it start up, and then crash, then restart... repeatedly
[06:38] <mgolden> When I start in safe graphics mode it's ok
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: what do you want to hunt me to do?
[09:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: do you have archive powers? Can you sync digikam and kipi-plugins?
[09:09] <Lure> Hobbsee: bug 176615 and bug 176620
[09:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176615 in digikam "sync digikam 0.9.3~rc1-1 from debian/experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176615
[09:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176620 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.5~beta1-3 from debian/experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176620
[09:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: no, not unless i use pitti's sync script
[09:09] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok, no problem will wait for archive day than
[09:35] <hads> Anyone know how to launch the panel applet in KDE4? it crashed and doesn't want to come back.
[09:35] <jpatrick> plasma?
[09:36] <hads> Yeah, plasma is running and I have applets on the desktop but no panel.
[09:42] <hads> Moving plasma-appletsrc out of the way fixed it.
[10:13] <apachelogger> stdin: please attach -kde4 to the kopete-encrypt thing and get a revu admin to nuke the one without -kde4
[10:17] <apachelogger> stdin: the close bug should be * Initial release (LP: #176471) - i.e. no seperate line
[10:17] <apachelogger> stdin: please state the version of GPL under which the package is licensed
[10:18] <apachelogger> stdin: build-dep on kdelibs5-dev is redundant since kdenetwork-dev-kde4 depends on it
[10:21] <apachelogger> stdin: please don't exceed 80 characters for build-depends (line break + next line starts with a whitespace
[10:21] <apachelogger> )
[10:22] <apachelogger> stdin: section should be kde
[10:25] <stdin> apachelogger: done all that except it does say "This package is licenced under the GNU/GPL version 2 or later" already in debian/copyright
[10:25] <cheguevara> morning
[10:26] <apachelogger> morning cheguevara
[10:26] <apachelogger> stdin: uhm, don't see that in the .diff on revu ... should be GNU GPL anyway :P
[10:26] <apachelogger> oh
[10:26] <apachelogger> ah
[10:26] <apachelogger> well
[10:26]  * apachelogger starts thinking
[10:27] <apachelogger> stdin: please state at the "The Debian packaging is..." that it is GPL version 2 or later as well
[10:28] <apachelogger> might lead to confusion though, as we just noticed ;-)
[10:30] <stdin> right, done that, I'll upload as soon as the 1st upload clears from /incoming  :p
[10:30]  * cheguevara wonders if apachelogger will review kmldonkey-kde4 next
[10:30] <apachelogger> kay
[10:30] <stdin> the only difference is the "version 2 or later" bit anyway
[10:30] <apachelogger> cheguevara: nah, post-launch I'll study some french
[10:30] <apachelogger> have a major exam tomorrow
[10:31] <cheguevara> oh cool
[10:31] <apachelogger> though it's kinda pointless since I haven't learned anything yet -.-
[10:31] <cheguevara> heh
[10:31] <jpatrick> scalure blau :O
[10:32] <cheguevara> jpatrick could review as well :P
[10:34] <jpatrick> hmm, you got me
[10:34] <jpatrick> cheguevara: what is quilt needed for?
[10:34] <cheguevara> the patches
[10:34] <apachelogger> jpatrick: for tha cdbs stuff
[10:34] <cheguevara> no
[10:35] <cheguevara> dunno why i just said that
[10:35] <apachelogger> :P
[10:35] <apachelogger> first think - then write :P
[10:35] <cheguevara> so true
[10:36] <jpatrick> cheguevara: today is not Thu the 15th
[10:36] <cheguevara> it wasn't uploaded today
[10:36] <jpatrick> yes, but yesterday was the 15th and it was Sat
[10:36] <cheguevara> actually
[10:36] <cheguevara> i see ur point
[10:37] <cheguevara> yeah sorry, really should think first as apachelogger said :P
[10:37] <stdin> cheguevara: it's easier to use "dch" to create changelog entries :)
[10:38] <cheguevara> what can be easier then nanon?!
[10:38] <cheguevara> :P
[10:38] <cheguevara> *nano
[10:38] <stdin> like i said, dch :p
[10:39] <cheguevara> the right answer is pico :P
[10:39] <stdin> pico == nano
[10:39] <cheguevara> stdin, thanks will do
[10:39] <cheguevara> nah nano is improved pic
[10:39] <cheguevara> *pico
[10:39] <apachelogger> stdin: btw, you might want to use XSBC-Original-Maintainer
[10:40] <stdin> cheguevara:  I mean by default pico is actually nano
[10:40] <stdin> apachelogger: I was going to do that yesterday but got distracted by something shiny
[10:41] <cheguevara> stdin, oh i see what you mean
[10:41] <cheguevara> never knew its like that on ubuntu
[10:41] <jpatrick> stdin: same with kopete*-kde4, today not Thu
[10:42] <cheguevara> :P
[10:42] <apachelogger> rofl
[10:42] <apachelogger> now, ksirk seriously needs some graphics guy
[10:51] <stdin> apachelogger: is this one ok?
[10:53] <apachelogger> stdin: please update debianized date in copyright
[10:55] <stdin> anything else before I upload?
[10:55] <apachelogger> yes
[10:55] <apachelogger> stdin: gettext is redundant
[10:55] <apachelogger> debhelper depends on po-debconf and that depends on gettext
[10:55] <Hobbsee>  * Version: 4:3.97.0-0ubuntu2~gutsy1~ppa1
[10:55] <Hobbsee>  * Architecture: amd64
[10:55] <Hobbsee>  * Archive: kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA
[10:55] <Hobbsee> & lpia died.
[10:57] <stdin> Hobbsee: I re-uploaded just about everything to fix the .desktop files issues and to include the patch to startkde
[10:59] <apachelogger> meh
[10:59] <apachelogger> wocka connection -.-
[10:59] <apachelogger> stdin: what's the last comment you got?
[10:59] <stdin> "<apachelogger> debhelper depends on po-debconf and that depends on gettext"
[11:00] <apachelogger> cheguevara: please remove the line break in build-depends of kmldonkey
[11:00] <apachelogger> stdin: debian/control, line 6 -> you forgot to remove the versin number from kdelibs5-dev
[11:00] <apachelogger> Please attach a "This is the KDE 4 version from extragear." or something to the
[11:00] <apachelogger> description
[11:01] <cheguevara> apachelogger, kk
[11:01] <cheguevara> i am off to work, pm me if there's anything else
[11:01] <apachelogger> cheguevara: changelog date still wrong
[11:01] <apachelogger> jpatrick: can you check that debian/copyright is correct for kmldonkey
[11:01] <apachelogger> I'll build meanwhile
[11:01] <stdin> apachelogger: well there is no kde3 version, so I didn't think that was necessary
[11:02] <jpatrick> apachelogger: okay
[11:02] <apachelogger> stdin: well, it's needed to ensure the user notes that this is a kde4 package ;-)
[11:02] <apachelogger> ye know, users don't wanna read ^_^
[11:08] <apachelogger> cheguevara: btw, did you find out why kmldonkey only recommends mldonkey-server?
[11:09] <jpatrick> cheguevara: kmlplasma/* is not in debian/copyright?
[11:10] <apachelogger> jpatrick: why should it?
[11:10] <apachelogger> Sebastian Sauer has a general copyright and the files are GPL2+
[11:11] <jpatrick> apachelogger: so why is he listed elsewhere?
[11:11] <apachelogger> jpatrick: because there also muesli got a copyright :P
[11:12] <jpatrick> :P
[11:13] <jpatrick> copyright looks okay then
[11:13] <apachelogger> build and deps are ok as well
[11:14] <jpatrick> should I upload?
[11:14] <apachelogger> well
[11:14] <apachelogger> he didn't upload the fixes yet
[11:14] <apachelogger> though they are all unimportant ones
[11:14]  * apachelogger checks again
[11:15] <jpatrick> I can edit the date in changelog
[11:15] <apachelogger> jpatrick: remove the line break in build-depends as well
[11:16] <apachelogger> everthing is okay
[11:19] <jpatrick> done
[11:24] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[11:24] <apachelogger> cheguevara: thanks for your contribution :)
[11:24] <jpatrick> but don't stop there
[11:25]  * apachelogger thinks cheguevara totally targets becoming a MOTU ;-)
[11:56] <txwikinger> Was libqt4-debug-dev replaced by some other package?
[11:57] <jpatrick> libqt4-debug
[11:58] <txwikinger> ok.. I thought so thanks
[12:02] <mhb> woohoo, just 25 days remaining and the horrible ad will go away!
[12:05] <mhb> also, I will meet a girl that both likes me and is totally into GNU/Linux. Groovy! It is good that the dream becomes reality.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:06] <Hobbsee> mhb: they do exist.  however, those who do exist think as you do, but s/girl/guy/ in most cases :)
[12:06] <Hobbsee> 'tis a cruel world :P
[12:06] <mhb> The first group exists, no doubt about that.
[12:07] <mhb> Erm...
[12:07] <mhb> the girls that are into Linux exist
[12:07] <mhb> but the other group is an empty set, so it is kind of hard to find a non-empty intersection.
[12:07] <mhb> :o)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[12:09] <_buz> for the people who use kwin_composite: do you use it on gutsy or hardy? does it crash x.org for you as well?
[12:09] <mhb> well I dont use kwin_composite or kwin4_composite exactly because of that.
[12:09] <mhb> it crashes.
[12:10] <_buz> do you see kwin or x.org crash? it seems that its x.org thats really crashing
[12:10] <_buz> if the window manager crashes, x wouldnt restart
[12:12] <mhb> well, I usually get some large white squares and it is totally slow so I have to restart X.
[12:12] <mhb> unless it reacts so slow that i have to power off the computer.
[12:12] <mhb> that happens here.
[12:12] <_buz> no usually mine either freezes or outright crashes x
[12:13] <_buz> i sometimes have to cold boot the machine because nothing reacts anymore
[12:52] <harolddong> What were the new kde4 packages that I just installed from the repos?
[12:52] <harolddong> Just updated /tweaked stuff?
[13:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: could you give back kdeaccessibility-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdemultimedia-kde4 kdenetwork-kde4 kdepim-kde4 kdesdk-kde4 kdetoys-kde4 extragear-plasma
[13:08] <Riddell> and raise their priority
[13:15] <lnxkde> what does the new kde4 update?
[16:24] <plexe> hello
[16:24] <plexe> i want to learn kde / qt 4 development
[16:24] <plexe> how easy is to set it up on kubuntu ?
[17:43] <cheguevara> re
[17:43] <mhb> im
[17:46] <cheguevara> whats up
[17:47] <mhb> kidding as always
[17:47] <mhb> re & im are the usual identifiers for real & imaginary parts of a complex number.
[17:48] <cheguevara> apachelogger, thx for sponsoring :P
[17:48] <cheguevara> mhb, heh :P
[17:48] <mhb> and you shouldn't really write "re" unless you want to say something or somebody is waiting for you.
[17:48] <mhb> we all know you're here if you answer the questions we might have.
[17:49] <mhb> cheguevara: it's not that you are a criminal or something, it's just a tiny part of the code of IRC.
[17:49] <cheguevara> as an irc network admin I am quiet familiar with IRC :P
[17:51] <mhb> cheguevara: and yet you break the code of it... fascinating.
[17:53] <cheguevara> stdin, thanks for fixing kdebase-workspace (again) and sorry for that typo
[17:54] <cheguevara> worst thing is that went upstream :(
[18:01] <cheguevara> Riddell, you around?
[18:22] <Lure> mhb: you also have problem with brightness keys?
[18:27] <mhb> still, yes.
[18:30] <Lure> mhb: do you have gutsy on it? New packages to test are in my ppa...
[18:30] <Lure> mhb: it look like they did not work due to stupid typo :-(
[18:31] <mhb> no, I'm hardy now.
[18:32] <Riddell> cheguevara: hi
[18:32] <Lure> mhb: will prepare hardy packages when I get at least one confirmation from gutsy
[18:33] <Lure> Riddell: do you know how QLibrary works for loading dynamic libraries?
[18:33] <Riddell> Lure: can't say I do
[18:33] <Lure> Riddell: k9copy needs -dev packages to properly load libGL.so.1
[18:34] <Lure> Riddell: I do not think it is normal to depend on -dev package...
[18:34] <cheguevara> Riddell, hey, do you think you can get ubuntu7 of kdebase-workspace into archives
[18:34] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that -dev installs symbolic link from libGL.so to libGL.so.1 - w/o that, k9copy crashes
[18:34] <cheguevara> debdiff by stdin is at #176135
[18:35] <cheguevara> i've already got the change upstream
[18:36] <Riddell> Lure: strace the app, it may well need the .so or the .la
[18:36] <Lure> Riddell: but this is really bad...
[18:36] <Riddell> cheguevara: umm, where is it?
[18:37] <Riddell> Lure: if so you can probably patch the app to load a paticular version, that's what we did the qt4 and libssl
[18:42] <cheguevara> Riddell, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10922728/kdebase-workspace_3.97.0-1ubuntu7.debdiff
[18:58] <Lure> Riddell: yep, versioned request for "GL.so.1"
[18:58] <Lure> works
[18:59] <Lure> Riddell:  will talk with upstream to consider changing this for next version
[19:42] <fdoving> anyone else experience hotkey issues with kde4 rc2?
[19:42] <_buz> yeah
[19:42] <_buz> most hotkeys for kwin didnt work
[19:43] <_buz> thought it was something about my config so didnt bother looking into it further
[19:43] <fdoving> k. good, then it's not just me.
[19:43] <_buz> interestingly, they DO work if you run kwin-kde4 in kde3
[19:44] <fdoving> hum.. i also need to figure out how to disable the url/e-mail mouse-over effects in konsole.
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> yeah... annoying
[22:01] <cheguevara> Riddell, you still around
[22:01] <Riddell> hi cheguevara
[22:02] <cheguevara> Riddell, was gonna package kcoloredit, but no COPYING file again, do you know who I can bug on irc
[22:02] <Riddell> cheguevara: toma is the extragear man
[22:02] <Riddell> I suppose I could just commit one
[22:03] <cheguevara> that would be great :)
[22:03] <cheguevara> Riddell, did you see the debdiff btw?
[22:04] <Riddell> cheguevara: don't think I did
[22:05] <cheguevara> do you want the link again?
[22:05] <Riddell> cheguevara: ok
[22:06] <cheguevara> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10922728/kdebase-workspace_3.97.0-1ubuntu7.debdiff
[22:07] <Riddell> cheguevara: added COPYING to kcoloredit
[22:07] <cheguevara> thanks Riddell
[22:11] <iRon> Riddell: mounting for devices not listed in /etc/fstab is done ;-) now i'm working on proper unmounting.
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> iRon: what are you doing?
[22:12]  * Lure_ is happy so many new contributors
[22:13] <iRon> nosrednaekim: "User Hard Disk Mounting" from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuHardyCatchup
[22:13] <Riddell> iRon: ooh ooh ooh
[22:13] <Lure_> nosrednaekim: btw, I did not forget about you powermanager improvement, I just did not look into guidance for hardy yet (will probably do over holidays)
[22:13] <Riddell> cheguevara: uploaded kdebase-workspace
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> Lure_: yeah... its ok, I understand :D
[22:13] <cheguevara> Riddell, nice, thanks, sorry for the mess up again
[22:17] <iRon> Riddell: do i need to display full command in kdesudo dialog? or just provide user-friednly message? something line "Admin privileges required for..."
[22:17] <iRon> *like
[22:21] <cheguevara> Riddell, kdesdk-kde4_3.97.0-0ubuntu2 doesn't seem to build btw
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> hmm, how hard is it to write a kde3 control center module in pyqt4?
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> cheguevara: it seems to have dependency problems, kate won't start because its missing some library
[22:22] <cheguevara> i got
[22:22] <cheguevara> CMake Error: This project requires some variables to be set,
[22:22] <cheguevara> and cmake can not find them.
[22:22] <cheguevara> Please set the following variables:
[22:22] <cheguevara> KICKER_WORKSPACE_LIBRARY
[22:22]  * nosrednaekim is looking at the compiz config control center module
[22:23] <Riddell> iRon: I don't think kdesudo does user friendly messages
[22:23] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: not possible
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: thats seems to be what the spec is saying.
[22:24] <iRon> Riddell: it does.. kdesudo --caption "Caption" --comment "Dialog text" -d ...
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> in KubuntuHardyCatchup#Compiz
[22:24] <Riddell> iRon: ah well, there you go then :)
[22:24] <iRon> Riddell: ok
[22:25] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: oh it would need to be a standalone app for KDE 3.  the alternative is to write it in pyKDE 3 which is daft at this stange as it would need to be re-written soon
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: well, I am quite willing to try to write it in pyqt4, there are compiz python bindings, right?
[22:26] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I don't know if there's compiz python bindings
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> ahh... yep there are....
[22:27] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: but mostly it's just setting a value somewhere so a login script sets KDEWM to the right value
[22:28] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: and setting some compiz settings, which are just written in .ini style
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> pretty easy then?cool, I see what I can do over Christmas ....
[22:29] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: do ping mhb about that, he had a UI mockup
[22:29] <jjesse> afternoon
[22:29] <fdoving> is there an ark replacement for kde4?
[22:29] <Riddell> ark is in KDE 4 I'm pretty sure
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok,I will.
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: there is the tar:/kio slave
[22:30] <fdoving> Riddell: not in the lp ppa as far as i can tell.
[22:30] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: it's not that good at .rar and .zip :)
[22:30] <Riddell> fdoving: fdoving it's in kdeutils
[22:30] <Riddell> hi jjesse
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: hmm i'll check
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: wors fine on zips
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> *works
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> fdoving: oh... thats the "zip" kio-slave I guess.
[22:32] <fdoving> then unlucky with my .rars.
[22:32] <fdoving> + i'm
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> heh
[22:35] <cheguevara> i remember reading somewhere kde 4's ark won't have rar support
[22:35] <jjesse> hello Riddell any in-laws showing up?
[22:35] <cheguevara> because the author couldn't get it done before feature freeze
[22:36] <Riddell> jjesse: not today thankfully
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: so what settings should this app have? like desktop size,shadows, and the fade animation? just basic stuff?
[22:37] <jjesse> :)
[22:37] <fdoving> ouch, konsole4 does not have the 'drop-url-popup-menu' anymore.
[22:37] <fdoving> need to type wget myself, or kfmclient copy :|
[22:38] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: have you seen the gnome one?
[22:38] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: just a very simple app, off, on basic, on bling
[22:38] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: oh it also needs to install it (probably using adept-batch)
[22:38]  * mhb 's here if anyone needs him.
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: no I haven't... I try to stay away from the brown side of the fence
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> mhb: you have a UI mockup for the compiz-manager?
[22:39] <mhb> you mean a desktop effects for KDE?
[22:39] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: http://ramkumarshankar.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/gutsy-appearance.png
[22:40] <Riddell> I don't think that the final one they have but it's close
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> ok
[22:40] <cheguevara> does compiz's kde window manager work nicely yet
[22:40] <mhb> I've got more than that.
[22:40] <mhb> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/desktop-effects-kde
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: not enough options there.... too Gnomish ;)
[22:42] <cheguevara> heh
[22:43] <mhb> nosrednaekim: check the code out, and work on it!
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> mhb: cool :D
[22:43] <mhb> nosrednaekim: the UI is almost complete, and there's a Qt4 and KDE3 frontend.
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> wow... you work fast
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> ok, this is a crazy idea... is it possible to use kwin4 in kde3?
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> and bypass compiz all-togther?
[22:47] <Riddell> mhb: does it have any functionality?
[22:48] <cheguevara> Riddell, there's a po folder in kcoloredit shouldn't all translations be in l10n-kde4
[22:49] <Riddell> cheguevara: extragear apps will include their own translations
[22:50] <cheguevara> oh right
[22:50] <mhb> Riddell: unfortunately not.
[22:50] <mhb> someone has to write the config-writing part.
[22:50] <mhb> and the config-detection ... well the hard stuff.
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> mhb: you did the fun part! :D
[22:51] <mhb> unfortunately.
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> I don't hear any remorse..
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> i'll look into it :D
[22:57] <cheguevara> Riddell, is there anything special that needs to be done in debian/rules for the translations in this case or with cdbs handle it
[22:58] <Riddell> cheguevara: the normal compile will handle it
[22:58] <cheguevara> Riddell, cool thanks
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> mhb: ok, so all the hard stuff gets called from enable and disable? aren't there going to be different level?
[23:03] <mhb> nosrednaekim: not sure what you mean ...
[23:03] <mhb> but feel free to do whatever you want
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> mhb: ok
[23:05] <mhb> hmm, you're not able to commit, are you.
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> mhb: nope, and what I was asking didn't make any sense.... I just read it again and I was confused :D
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I suppose I could always branch it
[23:07] <mhb> right.
[23:07] <ardchoille> Hmm.. I'm be interested in a screenshot of dolphin running in kde4. I hear the dolphin in kde4 is much different than dolphin in gutsy
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: good take a look at the KDE4-RC2 release announcement
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> *go
[23:10] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Thanks
[23:10] <ardchoille> I'll have to wait until I buy some blacnk cd's, tho
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: no, they have pictures on it :D
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: if you need a more specific picture I can probably take one.
[23:11] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: The only thing I see is a link to download the kde4 livecd
[23:11] <ardchoille> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille:I meant the offical kde one, on kde.org
[23:11] <ardchoille> Unless you are talking about a different release announcement
[23:11] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[23:12] <ardchoille> Wow, those guys work fast: 11th December 2007 - KDE 4.0 Release Candidate 12 Released
[23:12] <ardchoille> rc12 has been released :)
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> heh
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> someone has a eeepc and some big hands..
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> XD
[23:12] <ardchoille> hehe
[23:14] <cheguevara> eeepc uses kde 3.4.2
[23:14] <cheguevara> couldn't they use 3.5...
[23:15] <ardchoille> Wow, systemsettings seems to have been improved as well
[23:18] <ardchoille> Back in a bit. Time to image my partitions.
[23:45] <iRon> Riddell: finished with unmounting.. :)
[23:51] <Riddell> iRon: crivvens
[23:53] <iRon> :) i'll refactor code a bit, and will send you a patch.
[23:54] <Riddell> iRon: great
[23:57]  * Riddell impressed by the number of torrent sites carrying the kde 4 cd
[23:58] <nosrednaekim> our kde4 CD?
[23:59] <cheguevara> right kcoloredit uploaded to revu