[00:02] <yagami> !ask
[00:02] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[00:03] <yagami> thank
[00:03] <yagami> ok i d like to know how to install a driver for my ethernet card
[00:04] <yagami> actually i have a problem with the ethernet and graphic card too
[00:08] <yagami> ?
[00:09] <user_> hey all.  just need a sounding board here (been googling for quite some time) - is there a good but simple photo editor for linux?  I dl'ed GIMP, but the learning curve is pretty tough.  I liked PSP Photo in Windows- is there anything like that?
[00:10] <user_> I also got Xnview, but its too limited.  anything middle-of-the-road
[00:12] <XxValetexX> olá pessoas
[00:12] <XxValetexX> :p
[00:23] <ijn> hi al
[00:25] <vzduch> who's Al?
[00:26] <ijn> make it +l
[00:26] <ijn>  :]
[00:28] <ijn>  O:)
[00:29] <rencore_> i get  a gtk error and it says something about setuid
[00:29] <rencore_> any ideas?
[00:29] <vzduch> exact error msg & context pls
[00:29] <rencore_> cant get a screenshot cuz the session only lasts less than 10 seconds when i try running kde4
[00:29] <ijn> how to disable the icon app that jump any time you open apps in kde
[00:30] <Dr_willis> Its in the settings thats launch feedvback i recall.
[00:30] <rencore_> how do i run kde4
[00:31] <counterpoint>  Hello  can anyone  assist me
[00:31] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  and the problem is?
[00:31] <pexi> rencore_: you only have read it at http://www.kubuntu.org
[00:32] <counterpoint>   I have make serveral attempts to download  a 386  alternative image and each  on was  corrupt
[00:32] <vzduch> ijn: Kcontrol -> Appearance -> Program launch display (or so; I have a German desktop)
[00:33] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  interesting. What are you downlioading it with?
[00:33] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  did you try gettting it from different locations?
[00:33] <rencore_> pexi i did read it and when i select kde4 as the session it doesnt load
[00:33] <rencore_> :(
[00:34] <counterpoint>  yes I  did , the  cd seems to burn ok and I test them , but  the files one the image was corrupted
[00:34] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. you did check the md5sum after downloading it?
[00:34] <pexi> rencore_: I get an error too
[00:34] <rencore_> what is urs pexi?
[00:35] <pexi> but I created a new user only for run kde4 and it works
[00:35] <rencore_> how?
[00:36] <pexi> just type  in a terminal: sudo adduser testKde4
[00:36] <counterpoint> yes ,, that what mean when I said that I  test it .... but the ce integrty always fail
[00:36] <pexi> and try to start kde with the new user
[00:36] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  You may want to try downloading it with a torrent client, or some other download manager tool.  You might also want to test the cd image in virtualbox or vmware.
[00:37] <counterpoint>  should I use a DvD  or  CD i image
[00:38] <counterpoint>     which site to  you suggest
[00:38] <rencore_> pexi i get this
[00:38] <rencore_> adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured
[00:38] <rencore_> via the NAME_REGEX[_SYSTEM] configuration variable.  Use the `--force-badname'
[00:38] <rencore_> option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX or NAME_REGEX_SYSTEM.
[00:38] <rencore_> meh should have pastebinned sorry
[00:39] <Dr_willis> I think user names need to be lowercase
[00:40] <mox69__> rencore: It doesnt like the username you are trying to add, possibly it has an invalid character or too long, short , etc
[00:41] <Dagon> adept keeps crashing -- how do I fix it?
[00:41] <counterpoint>  Dr_willis  what site do you recommend
[00:41] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  i normally grab mine at the disrtowatch web site.
[00:41] <Dr_willis> but  i used torrents recently.
[00:43] <counterpoint>  Oh ,   by the  way I  am using  Roxio 6
[00:43] <counterpoint>  sorry that I miss  your question
[00:43] <Dr_willis> You might want to use a dedicated iso burning tool also - like 'burn at once'
[00:44] <counterpoint> ok,  thinks for  your help
[00:45] <lingard> does anyone know how to reduce the streaming bandwith with kaffeine?
[00:46] <Dagon> adept keeps crashing. How do I fix it?
[00:46] <QDVDAuthor> Guys, any one intersted in a contest for the best template for QDVDAuthor ?
[00:46] <lingard> use synaptic instead of adept
[00:47] <vzduch> use apt-get instead of synaptic or adept :P
[00:47] <lingard> lol
[00:48] <holo> apt-get is deprecated
[00:48] <holo> use aptitude instead
[00:48] <hydrogen> except that aptitude still does bad things
[00:48] <Dagon> how do I install synaptic if adept is working?
[00:48] <LjL> apt-get ain't deprecated on ubuntu
[00:48] <hydrogen> like make assumptions that I want to do things
[00:48] <hydrogen> when I didn't tell it to
[00:48] <vzduch> apt-get isn't deprecated
[00:49] <holo> hmm
[00:49] <ardchoille> holo: apt-get is not deprecated
[00:49] <holo> i will find where i read this
[00:49] <holo> ok, I read the first time
[00:49] <vzduch> Synaptic and Adept are graphical frontends to apt-get
[00:49] <LjL> holo, on *debian* aptitude is recommended. we're not debian.
[00:49] <LjL> vzduch: no
[00:49] <hydrogen> "What, you want to install this package? okay, let me remove these ten packages at the same time.. i'm sure you don't really want to keep them"
[00:49] <LjL> vzduch: Synaptic, Adept *and apt-get* (and aptitude) are all frontends to APT
[00:50] <LjL> hydrogen: perhaps some of those 10 packages would conflict anyway
[00:50] <hydrogen> no
[00:50] <hydrogen> they wouldn't
[00:50] <limac> hey
[00:50]  * vzduch doesn't like aptitude, as it treats recommended pkgs as 'hard' dependencies
[00:50] <limac> why is celeron considered a bad processor????
[00:51] <hydrogen> they were packages that apt saw as no longer needed.. apt-get tells me that they are no longer necessary, and that I can remove them if I tell it to, aptitude assumes that I want to remove them
[00:51] <compbrain> limac: its underpowered?
[00:51] <holo> LjL: ok, so apt-get (frontend to APT) is deprecated in debian.
[00:51] <limac> compbrain: expand :D
[00:52] <jhutchins> Celerons usually have less L2 cache and don't perform as well as the same plain intel chip, in exchange for which they use less power and create less heat.
[00:52] <jhutchins> Typically they're thought of as a "laptop" chip, but also used in cheap or specialty systems.
[00:53] <jhutchins> Kind of like a Xenon is perceived as being a top-end server chip for the same model run.
[00:53] <limac> i no i have a laptop (not a robust comp)
[00:53] <limac> so is AMD good or is intel better?
[00:54] <jhutchins> limac: Depends on what you want.
[00:54] <limac> what's ur opinion?
[00:54] <jhutchins> limac: Generally right now, Intell is beating AMD both on top performance and performance per price.
[00:54] <limac> which is a more robust one?
[00:55] <jhutchins> You need to pick something - price, clock speed, performance goal - then compare various different processors that meet that criteria.  It depends on what you can get the chip for.
[00:56] <jhutchins> limac: The core 2 duo processors perform very well and give good value for the price.
[00:56] <limac> so which chip is a good one if i want to perform high-end apps on the comuter???
[00:56] <jhutchins> limac: Depends on what you mean.
[00:56] <jhutchins> limac: Xenons tend to handle multi-tasking servers better, but you pay for the extra performance.
[00:57] <limac> like say a long compilation of a c++
[00:57] <jhutchins> limac: I would say that if a core 2 duo is in your price range, it's the best bet.
[00:57] <jhutchins> limac: Then again, you need to ask how many cores you want.
[00:57] <limac> how much is it now days??
[00:58] <wladek> hi.  i'm running kubuntu 7.10 with an nvidia graphics card.  i was unable to use the default driver (stability problem) that came with the distribution so i followed the steps to install the driver from nvidia's site.  everything seems to be working fine, but i'm having an issue when opening new windows on my multiple display desktop.  when i open new windows they open strattled against both displays.  also, if i fullscreen a video
[00:58] <wladek>  it does the same thing.  anyone know how i can get remedy this situation?
[00:58] <jhutchins> limac: For a database server that's going to have some 250 systems connecting to it and doing queries and writes every few seconds, we rejected a dual core server and requested that they go with quad core.
[00:58] <jhutchins> limac: You need to check some of the web sites that do hardware reviews.
[00:58] <jhutchins> limac: See what's best for your purposes.
[00:58] <limac> jhutchins: thx and did u yet use the quad-core proc?
[00:59]  * compbrain is using a dual quad core
[00:59] <jhutchins> limac: Haven't arrived yet.
[00:59] <limac> compbrain: how do u like it?
[00:59] <compbrain> Its damn peppy
[01:00] <limac> jhutchins: of course did! i saw it in Bestbuy!
[01:00] <limac> :)
[01:00] <jhutchins> limac: In our case, the quad core will scale well, because we're doing lots of seperate transactions.
[01:00] <limac> compbrain: wat do u mean peppy?
[01:00] <compbrain> limac: Its quite fast for the workload I present
[01:00] <limac> sweet
[01:00] <jhutchins> On the other hand, if I were running it as a desktop, a lot of processes wouldn't be any faster than a single-core AMD, becuase they don't multi-thread.
[01:01] <compbrain> Dell had a free upsell from a single dual core to a dual quad core, so its quite nice
[01:01] <jhutchins> When I built the box I'm on now, I could get an AMD that performed better than the Intell chip I could get for about the same price, so I went with AMD.
[01:01] <compbrain> Single threaded perfrmance is less than that of my AMD X2, but thats mostly a clock speed issue
[01:01] <limac> compbrain: would u suggest me that for like long compilation (c++)
[01:02] <limac> ?
[01:02] <compbrain> limac: If you can convince the compiler to use more than one thread, a multi-core processor will do you good.
[01:02] <jhutchins> limac: compilation can use multi-processing well, so more cores at lower clockspeeds will help.
[01:02] <compbrain> The Core 2 line is getting alot of positive feedback currently
[01:02] <jhutchins> For programs that don't thread as well as compilation does, higher clock speed with fewer cores will give you better performance.
[01:03] <jhutchins> limac: There's no single "best" answer.
[01:03] <jhutchins> limac: Even if there were, that would drive the price of the "best" CPU up until it wasn't as good a deal any more.
[01:03] <limac> I'll look
[01:03] <limac> for DESKTOPS
[01:03] <limac> and no more lappys
[01:03] <limac> for me
[01:03] <jhutchins> The Core 2 duos are getting such positive reviews it's driving the lower-performance AMD's prices down, so you might be able to find a faster AMD for a lower price.
[01:04] <jhutchins> limac: You can also use distcc and compile simultaneously on multiple machines for big jobs.
[01:04] <jhutchins> limac: Tom's Hardware is a good site for reviews and performance specs.
[01:05] <jhutchins> compbrain: I had a core 2 duo macbook for a month, that was a pretty nice system.
[01:06] <limac> where can i get the reviews from??
[01:06] <limac> free
[01:07] <NickPresta> limac, www.tomshardware.com is great. Their CPU chart should give you some ideas of performance.
[01:17] <wladek> hey.. how do i setup x server so when i spawn new windows they're not straddled across both my displays?
[01:18] <flaccid> how would you like it?
[01:18] <flaccid> im not sure on your question actually
[01:19] <flaccid> if you have dual display, it should stretch the display it spawns on
[01:19] <flaccid> not across both by default
[01:19] <wladek> when i spawn new windows they appear straddled across both displays
[01:20] <wladek> when i used the original restricted nvidia driver.. it did something to xserver new windows wouldnt behave like this
[01:20] <wladek> but im not sure what it was
[01:20] <wladek> and now that i had to setup the nvidia driver manually i don't have this behaviour anymore
[01:20] <Kingzar> !screenlet
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screenlet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <Kingzar> how do i installl screenlet manager
[01:21] <limac> !celeron
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about celeron - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <limac> !ubuntu
[01:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[01:22] <wladek> also when i fullscreen a video it straddles the video across both screens as opposed to full screen'ing to the display it's currently in :/
[01:22] <Kingzar> How do i install screenlets
[01:24] <Dr_willis> I think you download the soruce from the screenlets web site
[01:24] <flaccid> wladek: ah yeah thats an nvidia property in xorg.conf i think. but i can't remember. #nvidia or google should help
[01:24] <Dr_willis> http://www.screenlets.org/index.php/Download
[01:25] <Dr_willis> wladek,  twinview is supposed to take care of that. If you enable twinview wih the nvidia settings tool. You still need to restart the X server for it to work properly
[01:25] <Kingzar> thanks Dr_willis
[01:26] <wladek> i'm already using twinview.  doesnt seem to do the trick
[01:27] <ibilic> every time I log in, I have to turn my external USB disk on and off for it to be detected... do you know why?
[01:27] <Dr_willis> what player are you ussing wladek ?  and how did you enable twinview?
[01:27] <flaccid> maybe pastebin the xorg.conf to see if its in there
[01:27] <Dr_willis> ibilic,  if the drive is always goign to be atatched. You could  just make a fstab entry for it.
[01:27] <wladek> vlc player.  i enabled twinview using nvidia-settings
[01:27] <NickPresta> wladek, I use twinview and "fullscreen" videos aren't actually fullscreen. They open up fully on a single display. Games are another story, however.
[01:28] <Dr_willis> wladek,  and did you restart the X server after enabling it?
[01:28] <flaccid> yeah nvidia-settings is a frontend to xorg.conf pretty much
[01:28] <wladek> yeah, i've restarted xserver
[01:28] <wladek> you want me to pastebin my xorg.conf ?
[01:28] <Dr_willis> vlc fullscreens on the monitor its the 'most' on - here. for me. I can only think of a few apps that are brain dead and try to take up both displays
[01:28] <flaccid> hmmm, there is that setting but with nvidia to make it stretch
[01:29] <flaccid> on windows it gives you an extra button on the window to do it
[01:30] <Dr_willis> heres my xorg.conf  set up for twinview. 1 dvi monitor and a tv out.
[01:30] <Dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/m4cdad4c3
[01:30] <Dr_willis>     Option         "Xinerama" "0"  i THINK may be imporntant :)
[01:30] <flaccid> i love xrandr :)
[01:31] <flaccid> cool
[01:31] <flaccid> wonder if wladek has an extra directive
[01:31] <NickPresta> wladek, our xorg.conf's are almost identical
[01:32] <flaccid> where is wladek's?
[01:32] <wladek> i only have one screen directive
[01:32] <lascar> !w32codecs
[01:32] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:32] <wladek> one sec.. ill pastebin it
[01:32] <NickPresta> oh wait, I was speaking to Dr_willis :)
[01:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:33] <wladek> http://pastebin.org/11750
[01:33] <r0y4l> if i try to start kde with kdm, i'm always returned to kdm....
[01:33] <r0y4l> if i start kde with "startx" as same user, it works, but after "log out" this kde session no tty is reachable (strg+alt+f1, etc.) everything black
[01:33] <wolfger> hey guys. Quick question:
[01:33] <r0y4l> no .xsession-errors errors, and no Xorg.0.log errors...
[01:33] <wladek> maybe it's stretching because i only have the one screen setup for both displays?
[01:34] <wolfger> In Konversation, is there any way to show a split view of multiple chat rooms at once?
[01:35] <flaccid> r0y4l: what about in normal operation. if you start computer does kdm work fine and shutdown ok?
[01:35] <r0y4l> flaccid: kdm starts fine, but i can't login
[01:35] <r0y4l> flaccid: i'm always returned to kdm...
[01:35] <r0y4l> flaccid: some seconds black screens, then kdm
[01:35] <flaccid> ok
[01:36] <r0y4l> i don't changed anything in my last session, i only did some ssh work, that's it (not local, remote ssh work)
[01:36] <r0y4l> i had this problem so often now...
[01:36] <r0y4l> it sucks that i have always to rebuild everything like remote places, kicker, etc.
[01:36] <r0y4l> but i don't know what goes wrong
[01:37] <flaccid> r0y4l: if you create a new user and log in
[01:37] <flaccid> same thing?
[01:37] <r0y4l> flaccid: mom i'll try
[01:37] <flaccid> k
[01:39] <r0y4l> flaccid: then i get "could not launch kstartupconfig"
[01:40] <r0y4l> flaccid: sorry i forgot to create homedir
[01:40] <r0y4l> flaccid: now kde starts..
[01:40] <r0y4l> but it sucks that i now have to set up everything again
[01:40] <flaccid> welcome to kde
[01:40] <flaccid> i've had this same problem
[01:41] <flaccid> its common more with ubuntu so im not sure who is mainly at fault
[01:41] <flaccid> its usually a corrupted kde config file
[01:41] <flaccid> finding out which one it is can be as painful as working out which windows driver is preventing startup...
[01:41] <flaccid> #kde guys might be able to help
[01:41] <r0y4l> can't i locate this corrupt file? as i said thats not the first time....
[01:41] <r0y4l> :(
[01:42] <maduser> yeah
[01:42] <maduser> what happened?
[01:42] <flaccid> im not sure how besides looking at logs. but #kde guy should be able to help
[01:43] <jager> how does one get superkaramba widgets onto the compiz widget layer?
[01:43] <tehm0nk-otherpc> OK so i'm formating everything and i want to know if i should install windows XP first or Kubuntu first?
[01:44] <jager> XP first
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> xp first
[01:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> argh k
[01:45] <tehm0nk-otherpc> What boot partitioning software whould i use?
[01:46] <Kingzar> Who can help me with screenlets!? i downloaded the files from www.screenlet.org, and the installl instructions says sudo make install but there is no install file in the directory !!
[01:48] <Kingzar> Who can help me with screenlets!? i downloaded the files from www.screenlet.org, and the installl instructions says sudo make install but there is no install file in the directory !!
[01:48] <Kingzar> !screenlet
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screenlet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <sfears> hello
[01:50] <SubNet> Hi there - anybody still there?
[01:50] <lascar> !libdvdcss
[01:50] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:50] <lascar> do i even need libdvdcss?
[01:50] <Kingzar> dependss
[01:50] <Kingzar> i don have it
[01:50] <Kingzar> i still play dvds
[01:50] <SubNet> Does anybody know how I can list ext3-HDs under media:// by there Labels?
[01:51] <lascar> figured as much
[01:51] <newguyss> hi, any advice about which DC++ client I could get
[01:51] <newguyss> ?
[01:54] <sfears> what is DC++
[01:54] <sfears> ??
[01:55] <tehm0nk-otherpc> no one knows a good boot cd partitioner?
[01:55] <jager> you can use qtpartedit
[01:55] <jager> from a knoppix cd or something
[01:55] <sfears> what is knoppix?
[01:55] <jager> however just using 1/2 the drive or whatever in the windows installer should be sufficient
[01:55] <jager> linux that runs from a cd
[01:56] <sfears> got cha
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> well i'm going to format all
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then install XP
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then... kubuntu
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> running into too many problems the other way
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> downgrading makes me sad
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> vista was so pretty.
[01:56] <sfears> vista is pretty
[01:56] <jager> heh compiz is prettier anyway
[01:57] <jager> if i could just get my widget layer working
[01:57] <counterpoint> Hello  DR_willis thank for you  help
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> yeah but
[01:57]  * jager weeps
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> vista for gaming = 30 less fps
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> and uh oh well
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> vista didn't have validation problems for me...
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> so that is why i stuck with it
[01:57] <SudoKing> Can you remove a folder with sudo rm?
[01:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> seeing how i can basically run wow on kubuntu with vmware i beleive...
[01:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i'm just sticking xp there for backup
[01:58] <SubNet> SudoKing: sudo rm -R /folder/path
[01:58] <SudoKing> thanks you
[01:58] <flaccid> pista
[01:58] <SubNet> SudoKing: but be careful - that can rm your whole System if used the wrong way !!!
[01:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> should i just partition at least the windows parts with the xp installed?
[01:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then... fix the gaps with kubuntu?
[01:59] <sfears> does anyone know of a low level formating program available on linux.. one that would let me format a hard drive hooked up thru a usb/ide cable
[01:59] <Kingzar> jager: whatś widget layer in compiz for anyways?
[01:59] <SudoKing> thanks, subnet, done, without wrecking my system :P
[01:59] <SubNet> :-)
[01:59] <SubNet> nice to hear tht Sudo
[01:59] <jager> like dashboard on macs
[01:59] <jager> put superkaramba stuff on it
[01:59] <jager> at least so they say i'm working on it :p
[01:59] <Kingzar> I had superkaramba
[02:00] <Kingzar> no clue what to do with it
[02:00] <SubNet> so nobody knows how to tweak media:/ to show the Disk-Labels of ext3-Partitions?
[02:00] <Kingzar> iḿ trying to figure screenlets out now instaed of superkaramba ;P
[02:00] <Kingzar> can i use screenlets on my widget layer?
[02:01] <jager> yes
[02:02] <jager> aha!
[02:02] <drarem> can i set up a gaming linux box as an 'audio' server, so that I don't need a splitter or multiple inputs to run my other gaming box through the audio?
[02:02] <blmm> I somehow lost the Kubuntu tweak to open removable media as /media rather than using an ioslave. Where is this setting? How do I restore it? I have kubuntu-default-settings installed.
[02:03] <Kingzar> whatś the gedit command for kubuntu?
[02:03] <blmm> Or should I remove some KDE package?
[02:03] <drarem> gedit ?
[02:03] <SubNet> Kingzar: kate
[02:04] <Kingzar> sudo gedit = sudo kate
[02:04] <sfears> if you open a hard drive will it be ruined forever?
[02:04] <SubNet> blmm: mounting external Devices is done by hald ...
[02:04] <SubNet> Kingzar: yes
[02:04] <holycow> what app controls the resolution in kde?
[02:05] <drarem> Kingzar - or gksudo  ?
[02:05] <holycow> i'm playing around with kde4 beta, i'm hoping its the same app as in kde3
[02:05] <SubNet> hald is the H_ardware A_bstraction L_ayer D_eamon
[02:05] <blmm> I think it is mounted OK, just that it opens using system:// rather than /media. I can manually go to the /media equivalent.
[02:05] <SubNet> blmm: byt media:/ doesnt show ist?
[02:06] <SubNet> WOW - but media:/ doesn't show it?
[02:06] <blmm> media:// works, it's just that I agree with the Kubuntu decision not to use it (non-KDE programs). Just a slight inconvenience.
[02:09] <SubNet> blmm: Sorry mate, no idea
[02:09] <blmm> OK.
[02:10] <Dr_willis> blmm,  with that logic however - they should also remove fish:// and smb:// and all the kioslave things like that.
[02:11] <Dr_willis> of course as long as you just ise the special addresses like that for file management - ive never had any problems.
[02:11] <jmichaelx> i have tried everything to get my rt2500-based wireless working well in gutsy, but it is starting to look hopeless. i have blacklisted the crap gutsy rt2500pci driver, and have compiled the serialmonkey rt2500 driver... this has helped have a more stable connection to my WEP-protected home-network, buti am having an even worse time connecting to totally unencrypted public networks... does anyone have a suggestion?
[02:12] <vzduch> sfears: it will at least void your warranty.. and probably ruin the drive, yes, unless you have the proper tools and knowledge to re-assemble it like it's supposed to be, and preferably a clean-room
[02:14] <blmm> Dr_willis: I don't think so. With media:// you have the choice of direct file system access or an ioslave. Direct file access is more useful. For fish:// and smb:// the ioslaves are much better than nothing, i.e. using a special client program. And there is a FUSE/ioslave thing you could try using.
[02:17] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: what kind of instabillity do u get?
[02:18] <Kingzar> pfff
[02:18] <Kingzar> both screenlets and superkaramba suck!!
[02:18] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: at home, i have no instability anymore.... it is very stable, although i have to use rutilt to connect... but i often cannot connect at all at coffee shops and other places
[02:19] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: i like superkaramba, but it can be finnicky
[02:19] <Kingzar> i liked it too if it worked
[02:19] <jmichaelx> what isn't working?
[02:19] <Kingzar> i had it all set up once, and suddenly the weather app decided to leave just like that
[02:19] <Kingzar> and never returned
[02:19] <Kingzar> and so did the rest later
[02:19] <jmichaelx> are you using liquid weather?
[02:20] <Kingzar> i used liquid weather yes
[02:20] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: i have connection problems too
[02:20] <Kingzar> the only thing i could think of, was that i deleted the .tar file from my desktop
[02:21] <Kingzar> would that have caused the problem? does karamba not safe the widget to another place after installing?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> blmm,  i was just thinking of the fuse ioslave stuff also. :) Wondering how wellit works
[02:21] <jmichaelx> ok, if i were you, i would make sure i had the most recent liquid weather downloaded and installed, then i recommend going into ~/.superkaramba and deleting all of the liquid weather config files so that you can start fresh. it should work then
[02:22] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: what kind of card are you using?
[02:22] <Kingzar> where is ~/.superkaramba
[02:22] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: /home/<username>/.superkaramba
[02:22] <Dr_willis> I seem to recall some 'issue' with liquid weather and the dash/bash changes in ubuntu.
[02:23] <Kingzar> k
[02:23] <mueslix> good evening
[02:23] <Kingzar> btw my kdm media manager crashed, what is the command to start it again
[02:23] <jmichaelx> it is possible... i run several distros, and always have problems in *ubuntu that i never have in the others
[02:23] <Kingzar> can enter my drives
[02:23] <mueslix> i just installed the kde4 rc2 packages... selecting kde4 in kdm just restarts kdm tho
[02:23] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: intel not sure what exact model
[02:23] <Kingzar> can´t
[02:23] <Kingzar> enter my drives
[02:23] <jmichaelx> i do not have the issues with liquid weather in fedora or slackware that i have off and on in kubuntu
[02:24] <surgy> anyone mind helping me out in #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:24] <surgy> ?
[02:24] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: 3945 i think
[02:24] <sfears> what's up surgy?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  the 'issue' i am thinking of - comes from the liquid weather guys using '#!/bin/sh' when they should be using #!/bin/bash :)  at least i THINK thats the issue.
[02:24] <surgy> its off topic so could you come to the off topic channel plz?
[02:24] <fsckr> is there a config program for KDE like there is for gnome?  Gnomes is gconf.  My screensaver doesn't come on at all even though its enable to start automatically in 15 min
[02:24] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: gutsy was a dramatic step backwards for wireless, as far as my experience has gone
[02:24] <fsckr> and I know there is the system settings
[02:25] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i see... i have had no problems personally with liquid weather of late, but that could well be so
[02:25] <david__> I have had mixed sucess with gusty and wireless ... some better some worse ... the worst
[02:25] <Kingzar> sudo rm ~/.superkaramba <--?
[02:25] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: no
[02:25] <david__> was getting amd and broadcom card working :(
[02:26] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  im thinking it was liq. weather. Someone posted a thread/faq where the 'fix' from the Liq. weather guys for the 'broken' ubuntu was well... lets say not a good fix. :)
[02:26] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: some times it connects, most of the time it doesn't :-(
[02:27] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: just use konqueror to get to ~/.superkaramba. go to your home directory, and enable 'hidden files'
[02:27] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=59  --- The knowledge of the person writing that howto.. shows that they need to research ubuntu/dash/bash a little more :)
[02:27] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i see, interesting
[02:28] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  yea. i found the 'attitude' of the 'howto' interesting and the fact  the fix is really for them to fix their scripts.. OR use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash'   interesting
[02:28] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: although that appears to have been for edgy... i do remember having a lot of issues with liquid weather in edgy. i think i even had uninstalled it for a while
[02:28] <Aresilek> will ubuntu (wnet) drivers work in kubuntu?
[02:29] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  i think the issue is going away now that more and more script writers/progamres are using #!/bin/bash properly
[02:29] <Dr_willis> used to be limewire and some other programs had similer issues.
[02:29] <jmichaelx> i see, this is educational lol
[02:29] <Dr_willis> a few dozen+ bug reports to them  and they fix the scripts. heh.
[02:29] <jmichaelx> hehe
[02:29] <Dr_willis> I reseearched this topic a whole bunch when they did the dash/bash change.
[02:30] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: did you figure out what i was suggesting?
[02:30] <Kingzar> jmichaelx: i have no clue how to enable view hidden files
[02:30] <Dr_willis> the 'core' of the issue is that a script calling #!/bin/sh can Still use 'bash only' features. since bash does not complain. which i feel is a bug/problem with bash.  but it was that way for so long that peole assume bash is sh i guess.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> Well back to help the wife a bit.
[02:31] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: go to your home folder in konqueror or dolphin.... in konqueror's menu, click 'view' at the top, and select 'Show Hidden Files'
[02:32] <jmichaelx> it's the same in dolphin
[02:33] <Kingzar> whahaha jmichaelx i had no clue it could be that easy :p
[02:33] <Kingzar> anyways iĺl try again now in the mean time do you know how i can restart my kde media manager
[02:33] <Kingzar> itś not running, crashed before
[02:33] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: it's easy, but confusing when you're new
[02:33] <jmichaelx> hmm i don't know anything about kde media manager
[02:36] <Aresilek> will ubuntu (wnet) drivers work in kubuntu?
[02:37] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: that should all be the same
[02:37] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: thx
[02:37] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: i haven't installed any drivers i just use what came in the box, so i'll try installing some
[02:38] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: i think the intel wireless drivers areinstalled by default. usually intel wireless works well in linux
[02:38] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: I'm trying to connect to a WEP protected network as well by the way
[02:39] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: i am no expert, but i don't think you need to install any drivers for intel
[02:39] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: when i get the chance i may try playing around with my access point settings to see if it gives different levels of success
[02:39] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: oh ok
[02:39] <david__> Aresilek intel works out of the box.
[02:39] <jmichaelx> have you tried just entering your info in System Settings?
[02:41] <jmichaelx> i have been fighting wireless problems in gutsy from the get-go. i am thinking about ditching it altogether at this point (on my laptop, at least)
[02:41] <jmichaelx> i may go with fedora, if i can find out whether or not rt2500-based wireless cards work well in fedora
[02:42] <david__> jmichalex if you don't mind what is the laptop ... I had no problems on an intel wireless laptop
[02:43] <jmichaelx> david__: i wish i had intel.... this laptop has an rt2500-based wireless adaptor
[02:44] <bazhang> ralink are iffy in every distro jmichaelx
[02:44] <david__> ohhh okay sorry I thought it was intel
[02:44] <Aresilek> it used to work well before, i think when i switched from WPA to WEP I started to get issues
[02:44] <Aresilek> david__: mine is the intel
[02:44] <jmichaelx> bazhang: i always had very good luckj with rt2500 until now
[02:44] <jmichaelx> always
[02:44] <david__> ohh okay sorry I just got confused.
[02:45] <bazhang> jmichaelx: the operative word being luck; for some they work, others they never do
[02:45] <toxop1asma> hey guys a quick noob question. i have a kubuntu 7.04 cd. is there any reason to get the newest one (7.10)?
[02:45] <jmichaelx> before edgy i often had to compile the driver and so on, but after that, things were fine
[02:45] <Kingzar> How do i restart KDE?
[02:46] <bazhang> toxop1asma: what kind of system? how much ram, etc
[02:46] <jmichaelx> rt2500 worked out of the box in feisty.... both pci and usb
[02:46] <toxop1asma> bazhang: axp 1600, 512 ram, gf2
[02:47] <bazhang> toxop1asma: nvidia card 2 series?
[02:47] <toxop1asma> yeah. geforce2 mx400 64mb
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> omg
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i forgot to get a floppy disk with sata drivers for winx
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> winxp*
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> OWNT
[02:48] <bazhang> toxop1asma: why not get the 7.10 live cd and compare? that is likely the best way to find out
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> uh.... you think i can do that inside kubuntu live?
[02:49] <toxop1asma> isn't 7.10 basically the same as any other 7.xx, but with all updates applied? as opposed to 8.xx, which would be a bigger change not attainable with updates? how does this all work?
[02:50] <toxop1asma> bazhang: i am not sure if my burner is working. it would a pain in the ass to do it
[02:51] <bazhang> toxop1asma: just a suggestion; though if you have no way to get another cd--why ask for an alternative to 7.04?
[02:53] <toxop1asma> bazhang: if there is a significant benefit, i'd go through the pain of getting 7.10. but not otherwise. is there a page that explains what version numbers mean?
[02:53] <bazhang> toxop1asma: version numbers? year and month
[02:54] <jmichaelx> are there any wireless cards working well in gutsy? i don't want to buy yet another mini-pci card, but this is just sucking way too much
[02:54] <jmichaelx> i am thinking intel or atheros
[02:54] <bazhang> intel is jmichaelx
[02:54] <flaccid> !wireless
[02:54] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:54] <flaccid> lots..
[02:54] <jmichaelx> i have my doubts about lots
[02:54] <flaccid> intel better support than atheros
[02:55] <david__> My mother had an atheros which worked out of the box.
[02:56] <flaccid> there is more than 1 model atheros
[02:56] <jmichaelx> atheros works out-of-the-box in most distros, but not as consistantly in the buntus
[02:56] <toxop1asma> bazhang: thanks! wow, i should have figured that one out. but then, what is Breezy Badger and so on? how does that correlate with version numbers? or it doesn't..?
[02:56] <flaccid> it depends on the card
[02:56] <flaccid> the model of the card.
[02:56] <david__> I put gusty on her laptop.
[02:56] <bazhang> toxop1asma: no idea
[02:58] <Dragnslcr> toxop1asma- each version has a "code name" that's used before the release and in other informal discussions
[02:58] <jmichaelx> flaccid: it is funny. according to the link you gave me, rt2500-based cards should work out of the box in gutsy. all you need to do is look in the forums to see that is not the case at all.
[02:59] <flaccid> sounds about right
[02:59] <flaccid> i avoid atheros because they are not what they claim in terms of support in linux
[02:59] <toxop1asma> Dragnslcr: oh, i see. and if i have an old version, and apply all the updates, is it the same as the new version?
[02:59] <jmichaelx> flaccid: i have an atheros pci card that i have used in 2 machines without any issues at all.. but i know nothing about exactly what version it is
[03:00] <flaccid> because 1 model card worked for 1 person doesn't mean that all cards work for all persons and platforms..
[03:00] <jmichaelx> indeed
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> toxop1asma- should be, yeah. Usually you can only upgrade one version at a time, so if for example you have 6.06 installed, it may be easier to do a clean install of 7.10 than to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 to 7.04 to 7.10
[03:00] <flaccid> so the old claim of 'worked for me' doesn't fit, not that it ever does
[03:00] <david__> jmichaelx I agree .. I wish I knew the version I had my mother using.
[03:00] <Dr_willis> i love it when identically named cards from a company change chipsets :)
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> toxop1asma- especially since upgrades aren't always painless
[03:00] <Dr_willis> Had several Linksys cards that did that.
[03:01] <tehm0nk> hey ... i'm on the live cd now
[03:01] <tehm0nk> is it possible to put my windows xp raid drivers on a disk from here?
[03:01] <tehm0nk> a floppy?
[03:01] <bazhang> Dr_willis: that has happened to me as well :}
[03:01] <flaccid> sure is
[03:01] <Dr_willis> You can  mount/read/write to floppy disks..
[03:01] <tehm0nk> how do i mount it?
[03:01] <Dr_willis> This is weird - I have an external usb - dvd burner.. Its been burning good all day., now suddendly on the last 2 disks. its  buring at 1x speed with k3b.
[03:01] <flaccid> !floppy
[03:01] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[03:01] <bazhang> netgear in my case
[03:02] <Dr_willis> Not sure what to do to kick it in the head. :)   I wonder if it was the dvd disks.. they are the last of an old batch i bought ages ago.
[03:02] <toxop1asma> Dragnslcr: thanks.
[03:02] <jmichaelx> i am to the point that the only card i would trust to work in the buntus,from version to version, is intel. anything else is wide open to problems.... may work well in one version, just to not work at all in the next. i have no idea (there may be a good reason) why the ubuntu devs included the nasty, unstable beta rt2500 drivers, rather than the stable, legacy drivers
[03:03] <flaccid> i agree jmichaelx
[03:03] <flaccid> after they fixed up ipw support and the new cards came out, intel support was pretty much made good for intel
[03:03] <Dr_willis> rt2500 was So hyped when it the news/company came out with all the gpl support news.. and well..  they dident live up to their end. :(
[03:03] <Dr_willis> Does intel make stand alone wireless cards?
[03:03] <flaccid> i mean for wireless. it is very rare i can't trust an intel wirless card out of box
[03:03] <bazhang> ralink are gpl, but poorly designed imo
[03:03] <Dr_willis> I cant recall ever seeing any.
[03:04] <flaccid> what is stand alone?
[03:04] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i always had good luck with the legacy rt2500 drivers
[03:04] <flaccid> it needs a computer lol
[03:04] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  ive never ttried them.. i never saw any 2500 cards in the stores so i never grabbed one.
[03:04] <Dr_willis> of course I dont use wireless  much. I ran wires throgh the house.
[03:04] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i have 3 of them
[03:04] <bazhang> I'm guessing stand alone means available for retail sale
[03:04] <flaccid> my house is like an internet cafe
[03:05] <david__> flaccid do you have free coffee for all of us ? ;)
[03:05] <jmichaelx> linksys has sold a lot of rt2500 cards.. both pci and usb
[03:05] <Dr_willis> i dont recall seeing any intel cards   at the various pc parts stores either.. could be they just are not as widly stocked. Or i just overlooked them
[03:06] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i was talking about rt2500... no, you don't see intel in the stores, to my knowledge
[03:06] <Dr_willis> I recall seeing Intel Motherbosards where i normally shop. But not much else.
[03:06] <jmichaelx> wireless in linux in general is still one of its biggest problems
[03:07] <flaccid> david__: yeah but you gotta make it :p
[03:07] <david__> hehehhe :)
[03:07] <bazhang> software patents are the issue imo
[03:07] <flaccid> intel don't really do retail
[03:07] <Dr_willis> i find wureless under windows to be a very very very big pain also.
[03:07] <jmichaelx> bazhang: i am with you
[03:07] <tehm0nk> that walkthrough makes a lot of no sense on how to get the floppy drive to read/write
[03:08] <flaccid> there are a lot of shite wireless cards - which are used in soho routers
[03:08] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/floppy /media/floppy   ?
[03:08] <flaccid> eg. dlink, netgear
[03:08] <jmichaelx> a lot of the help.unbuntu docs are out of date or just wrong
[03:08] <flaccid> jmichaelx: yeah the doco team doesn't want a handbook unfortunately
[03:09] <ricochina> richard
[03:09] <tehm0nk> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/floppy /media/floppy
[03:09] <tehm0nk> mount: mount point /media/floppy does not exist
[03:09] <tehm0nk> so no.
[03:09] <tehm0nk> i'm in the live cd...
[03:09] <raylu> you need to sudo mkdir /media/floppy
[03:09] <flaccid> tehm0nk: sudo mkdir /media/floppy
[03:09] <flaccid> woops
[03:09] <raylu> hi :D
[03:09] <flaccid> fdformat is a cool tool too btw
[03:10] <tehm0nk> same error
[03:10] <tehm0nk> mount: special device /dev/floppy does not exist
[03:10] <jmichaelx> what is funny, is that i can get my rt2500 to connect just fine at home on my WEp encrypted network... but i cannot connect at all to public wireless hotspots
[03:10] <tehm0nk> after i made the dir...
[03:10] <raylu> er, that's not the same error
[03:11] <raylu> jmichaelx: with some gui tool or via command line?
[03:11] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,   its possible its /dev/somthing else. :)
[03:11] <david__> jmichaelx I think there is a problem there seems I had this same problem with ndiswrapper and a broadcom ...
[03:11] <Dr_willis> I have no flopppy so no idea what the dev is. :)
[03:11] <david__> I wish I could remember the fix but I have long since gotten rid of that laptop.
[03:11] <tehm0nk> well this is my last hope lo
[03:11] <tehm0nk> lol
[03:12] <jmichaelx> raylu: david__: i have to connect with RutilT at home... at coffee shops, etc, nothing works
[03:12] <tehm0nk> i forgot to make a sata raid disk before clearing my stripe set and redoing it
[03:12] <flaccid> usuall /dev/fd0
[03:12] <Dr_willis> Those howtos you looked at dont mention a /dev/SOMTHING ?
[03:12] <tehm0nk> ... lol
[03:12] <tehm0nk> soooo
[03:12] <tehm0nk> OMG
[03:12] <tehm0nk> i love you.
[03:12] <flaccid> ls /dev | grep fd
[03:12] <tehm0nk> it's accessing the floppy
[03:12] <flaccid> will show the floppy devices
[03:12] <flaccid> sweet
[03:12] <david__> I remember that anything without encryption was a pain.
[03:12] <tehm0nk> now i just need to get the drivers on it lol
[03:12] <flaccid> broadcome worse than atheros outch
[03:12] <osiris> http://rafb.net/p/izT64Z56.nln.html
[03:13] <osiris> apt trouble
[03:13] <jmichaelx> it's funny that the unencrypted networks would be the problem
[03:13] <raylu> why are you using floopies again?
[03:13] <flaccid> osiris: filesystem is read only for some reason..
[03:13] <david__> Yeah, I remember thinking the same.
[03:13] <tehm0nk> omg
[03:13] <tehm0nk> you have to be kidding
[03:13] <raylu> osiris: looks like your apt stuff is mounted on a read-only filesystem
[03:13] <tehm0nk> the drivers are a .exe
[03:13] <osiris> after my last update to the server, it broke
[03:14] <jmichaelx> i had a mini-pci bcm43xx card in this lappy to start with, but pulled it and put in this rt2500 card that i got on ebay for $15
[03:14] <raylu> when you installed, did you configure a seperate mountpoint for anything or was everything /?
[03:14] <osiris> no, nothing funny about it
[03:14] <jmichaelx> it was heaven until gutsy came along and ruined it
[03:14] <flaccid> osiris: easiest problem is to reboot and do normal boot. if it mounts read only again, you have a problem with the fs or similar
[03:14] <raylu> ok, what does mounted show, osiris?
[03:14] <raylu> *mount
[03:14] <raylu> jmichaelx: if it comes down to it, you can always downgrade
[03:15] <raylu> or perhaps an older version of the kernel would help
[03:15] <osiris> http://rafb.net/p/3eE8wk55.nln.html
[03:15] <tehm0nk> is there a vm that i could use to open it?
[03:15] <david__> jmichaelx could you recompile with an older driver?
[03:15] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  try wine
[03:16] <Dr_willis> !info cabextract
[03:16] <ubotu> cabextract: a program to extract Microsoft Cabinet files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-2 (gutsy), package size 52 kB, installed size 184 kB
[03:16] <Dr_willis> cabextract may extract the files also
[03:16] <jmichaelx> david__: i already did compile the old driver... it is much,much better than the gutsy driver, but i still cannot connect to unencrypted networks
[03:17] <flaccid> osiris: /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) <-- appears to have mounted read only due to errors on the fs
[03:17] <osiris> strange. i guess ill reboot it
[03:17] <raylu> i had an issue like that when my hard-drive was borked
[03:17] <raylu> hopefully it's just some software deal
[03:18] <david__> jmichaelx hmmm I remember the broadcom problem was in some auth module not in the driver.
[03:18] <raylu> i just put a hyphen in hard drive =\
[03:18] <raylu> jmichaelx: is turning off the encryption on your network temporarily an option for you?
[03:18] <jmichaelx> but this is ralink... maybe a similar problem , though
[03:19] <jmichaelx> raylu: i can connect just fine to encrypted networks... it is unencrypted ones i have a problem with
[03:19] <david__> I wish I could remember the module.
[03:21] <sFEARs> how do i find out how much hard disk space i have left.. i don't have an internet connection on my other computer & disk usage analyzer isn't installed?
[03:21] <jmichaelx> i am going to quit fighting this, and just buy an intel mini-pci card from ebay..... it sucks to have to do that, but it is probably the best solution
[03:22] <david__> sFear df
[03:22] <sFEARs> thanks
[03:22] <rignes> Every once in a while my laptop with Kubuntu install will suspend to disk even though the power is turned on.  Anyone else see this happen or is it just me?
[03:23] <rignes> I should rephrase that.  Even though the AC is plugged in. ;)
[03:23] <sFEARs> do you have it set to hibernat if not being used after x amount of minues rignes
[03:23] <etfb> rignes: check the power settings - left click battery icon on taskbar
[03:23] <sFEARs> hibernate*
[03:23] <rignes> Not that I know of.  I'll check the settings quick.
[03:24] <rignes> If it is set it's set to a very high value.  In the hours.
[03:24] <tehm0nk> anyone here on a windows box?
[03:24] <tehm0nk> i need some uber help lol
[03:24] <sFEARs> sup m0nk?
[03:24] <tehm0nk> someone to get the files out of the nvidia drivers for raid...
[03:24] <etfb> tehm0nk: I have one sitting in front of me, switched off.  What do you need?
[03:24] <tehm0nk> so i can put them on a floppy here
[03:25] <tehm0nk> in kubuntu live cd
[03:25] <tehm0nk> heh
[03:25] <tehm0nk> i got the floppy to show but i can't get the drivers in... files form
[03:25] <etfb> tehm0nk: Why do you need a Windoze box for that?
[03:25] <tehm0nk> lol...
[03:25] <tehm0nk> because all the crap from nvidia is for Windows...
[03:25] <tehm0nk> and i'm trying to install winxp before kubuntu
[03:26] <tehm0nk> winxp will NOT recognize sata raid in the install without the sata raid drivers on a floppy
[03:26] <tehm0nk> with the f6 method
[03:26] <rignes> etfb: Nope, it's set to do nothing on mains power.
[03:26] <tehm0nk> i even Tried hoping my tinyxp disk maybe had the drivers on it already
[03:27] <tehm0nk> but no it didn't recognize it...
[03:27] <sakthian> pls tell some commands to check the current running program in kubuntu
[03:27] <david__> sakthian ps ax | less
[03:27] <tehm0nk> i'm new to linux so...
[03:27] <rignes> The only thing I can think of is it may think that the lid is closed and go into hibernate because of that.
[03:27] <tehm0nk> i dont think i could figure out how to make it do that...
[03:27] <bazhang> top sakthian
[03:28] <tehm0nk> without a windows box
[03:28] <etfb> rignes: what about the laptop lid option?  Maybe it's getting pressed somehow.  Switch it off.
[03:28] <tehm0nk> and i dont know anything about vmware or whatever
[03:28] <Morningsickness> I pee on stuff all the time. I pee in the sink, in piles of dirty clothes. sometimes in the living room, then blame it on the dog. at parties I've peed on peoples beds. I've never rented a hotel room without pissing all over it. I also love pissing in guys mouths. I could never tell someone that I loved that I like this, so I have to have casual sexual encounters with nasty guys who want to drink my piss. oh well.
[03:28] <rignes> Maybe a faulty switch?  It's not consistent in time.
[03:28] <tehm0nk> Morningsickness: that is just wrong.
[03:29] <etfb> tehm0nk: don't feed the troll.  Is there an op here who can kick the bot?
[03:29] <rignes> It was sitting for about 5 hours streaming music on the other side of the room and just hibernated on it's own today.  I'll turn off the hibernate on lid close and see if it goes away.
[03:29] <sFEARs> i at least hope Morningsickness is a woman
[03:29] <etfb> sFEARs: don't feed the troll
[03:29] <fignew> Morningsickness: known troll/spammer
[03:29] <sFEARs> awwww.. but trolls are so cute
[03:29] <fignew> He got banned from #archlinux the other day :)
[03:30] <tehm0nk> ok in a crazy attempt i'm installing wine via adept
[03:30] <tehm0nk> how/what do i do next?
[03:30] <Morningsickness> .Dear Alice,
[03:30] <Morningsickness> I am (still!) a virgin and have a question about the hymen. I know mine is not entirely intact, because I did a lot of horseback riding as a child. But as I'm not a tampon-user (nor wish to become one), I'm not exactly sure how painful intercourse will be, for the first time, nor what will happen to the hymen.
[03:30] <Morningsickness> I always assumed it was a thin membrane that, upon penetration, would shrink evenly to the sides. But I seem to have what you might call a flesh tab, and though I've looked at pictures offered in Our Bodies, Ourselves, I'm not sure I understand how an opening will be created, and have the horrifying idea that a piece of flesh is going to drop out or be torn right out of me. Is it normal to have a flesh tab? What wil
[03:30] <Morningsickness> Yours, Tawanda
[03:30] <Morningsickness> that 14 year old black girl in the sexed class i teach
[03:30] <etfb> sFEARs: lightning essay quiz: 10,000 words on "why trolls aren't cute".  Due on my desk 9am tomorrow.  Get to work!
[03:30] <Morningsickness> she is sexy in the plastic unicorn berets in the cornrows
[03:30] <Morningsickness> kind of way
[03:31] <fignew> !ops
[03:31] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or ardchoille!
[03:31] <rignes> Another thought, maybe a faulty power supply or power port.  It may be loosing power and suspending due to lack of use.  I'll have to experiment.
[03:31] <fignew> danke :D
[03:31] <etfb> nixternal: thank you
[03:31] <sakthian> how to open task manager in kubuntu
[03:31] <nixternal> no prob...he did the same garbage yesterday in #ubuntu
[03:31] <etfb> sakthian: Ctrl+Esc is pretty much what you want
[03:32] <etfb> nixternal: some people just don't cope well with living in their mother's basement and using Win98, do they?
[03:32] <fignew> I'd think that it would get boring after a while :P
[03:32] <sFEARs> haha
[03:32] <sFEARs> wait.. what's wrong with 98
[03:32] <sakthian> thank you
[03:33] <damone> how can I specify which X display to run a program on?
[03:33] <nixternal> guess not :)
[03:34] <neville> Windows 98 is still good =]
[03:34] <sFEARs> works better than vista
[03:35] <neville> Hahaha, by miles =P
[03:35] <jac0b> does anyone know a good mp3/ogg/aac/m4a encoder
[03:35]  * etfb regrets mentioning the w-word
[03:35] <fignew> jac0b: GUI?
[03:35] <david__> sFEARs   ... dos multitasks better than vista.
[03:35] <flaccid> windows 90 is insecure, vuln and discontinued
[03:35] <jac0b> yeah preferrably with a GUI
[03:35] <mox69__> david: dos doesnt multitask at all lol
[03:35] <tehm0nk> i tried to use dolphin to paste the files from the wine C: dir to the floppy and i got a access is denied error...
[03:35] <tehm0nk> ?
[03:35] <tehm0nk> any help
[03:35] <flaccid> windows 98 i mean
[03:35] <flaccid> don't use it
[03:36] <david__>  mox and your point ;)
[03:36] <neville> Just stop me
[03:36] <mox69__> :) fine lol
[03:36] <jac0b> I am looking at soundkonverter but it doesn't give all the options I want
[03:36] <fignew> jac0b: I've used kaudiocreator in the past
[03:36] <sFEARs> super converter?
[03:36] <neville> I don't have a problem with Windows 98, and all this stuff about vulnerabilities can easily be countered by using common sense
[03:36] <sFEARs> i don't know if super is available for linux?
[03:36] <fignew> but I wasn't 100% happy with it...
[03:37] <fignew> YMMV
[03:37] <tehm0nk> how can i put stuff on the floppy?
[03:37] <tehm0nk> !floppy
[03:37] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[03:38] <damone> how can I specify which X client to display a program on?
[03:38] <etfb> damone: what do you mean, exactly?
[03:38] <jac0b> I looked at kaudiocreator it only accepts wavs
[03:38] <david__> actaully I should not complain Vista helped me get my mother a cheap linux laptop.
[03:38] <bazhang> neville: tell the people in ##windows; they need some good news :}
[03:38] <sFEARs> jac0b, audacity?
[03:38] <neville> Hahaha
[03:39] <neville> I already have =P
[03:39] <bazhang> hehe
[03:39] <jac0b> sfears: I think that might have to be my option
[03:39] <etfb> jac0b: I vaguely recall there's a system called "lame" that might do what you want.  Try googling <<lame mp3>> and see what comes up
[03:39] <flaccid> neville: what i was suggesting is common sense...
[03:40] <flaccid> using windows 98 is stupidity
[03:40] <sFEARs> lame will work for mp3 encoding.. might have problems with the m4a one though.. ogg should be installed with his linux
[03:40] <neville> So, wanting to play old games that cause nostalgia
[03:40] <neville> Which in turn requires the use of Windows 98
[03:40] <neville> Is stupidity, eh?
[03:41] <sFEARs> ducktales for nintendo?
[03:41] <neville> I am inclined to disagree with you =
[03:41] <neville> =]*
[03:41] <etfb> neville: have you tried VMWare server?
[03:42] <neville> No, I haven't got the money for it
[03:42] <etfb> neville: guess again - it's free!
[03:42] <tehm0nk> ok so i can't use dolphin to move the files there
[03:42] <tehm0nk> how do i do it in terminal
[03:42] <neville> D:
[03:42] <neville> LINK!!!!
[03:42] <neville> QUICK
[03:42] <tehm0nk> where is the wine directory?
[03:43] <bazhang> neville: vmware.com
[03:43] <jac0b> etfb: does it have afrontend
[03:43] <etfb> neville: http://www.vmware.com, follow the links to VMware Server, which can run on Linux and The Other OS That Dare Not Speak Its Name
[03:43] <bazhang> and mac os too
[03:43] <neville> Windows and OS X? =P
[03:43] <bazhang> yes
[03:43] <sFEARs> don't you have to pay for vmware?
[03:44] <neville> Yeah, that's what I was thinking too
[03:44] <neville> I know vmplayer is free, but the others
[03:44] <bazhang> not for the player
[03:44] <neville> I'm not so sure
[03:44] <etfb> jac0b: it's pretty typical Linux: a set of libraries and command lines, and ten million GUI frontends written by ten million programmers, all subtly incompatible...
[03:45] <sFEARs> subtly being the key word
[03:45] <sFEARs> has anybody seen my floating decimal point?
[03:45] <sFEARs> ??
[03:45] <etfb> sFEARs, neville: VMWare Server is now free, but has been for only a little while.  It's got pretty much everything WorkStation has, although I miss the Shared Folders option (they expect you to use network drives)
[03:45] <david__> Hmm sfears the office space decimal point?
[03:46] <neville> USB support?
[03:46] <bazhang> yes
[03:46] <etfb> (Oh, and by "free" I mean "price = $0", not "unrestricted, free/open source")
[03:46] <neville> Because, I don't wanna spend days downloading something that I could just use Virtualbox for =]
[03:47] <neville> Yeah, that's how I see free
[03:47] <neville> I'm not one of these OSS nuts just yet
[03:47] <etfb> neville: it's had USB support for ages
[03:47] <neville> And
[03:47] <david__> neville ... give it time enjoy my koolaid ;)
[03:47] <neville> Heh
[03:47] <sFEARs> wow.. if it's really free i'd love to be able to run mixmesiter.. i'll have to check it out
[03:47] <neville> Looks like you win
[03:47] <etfb> neville: nothing wrong with being a FLOSS (Free/Libre/Open Source Software) nut.  Someone has to be an extremist so we can have more space to play in the middle ground.
[03:48] <flaccid> neville: no but using an unsupported OS is.
[03:48] <neville> what is your problem, flaccid?
[03:48] <david__> flaccid I thought this was a linux channel why bring up windows.
[03:49] <bazhang> eh, stop picking on flaccid :}
[03:50] <flaccid> neville: i don't have a problem
[03:50] <flaccid> david__: i didn't bring up the subject
[03:50] <flaccid> yeah and leave me alone.
[03:50] <david__> heheh okay ;)  just having a bit of humor on the unsupported os idea :)
[03:50] <bazhang> peace everyone :}
[03:51] <neville> Okay
[03:51] <sFEARs> later bazhang
[03:51] <neville> Truce
[03:51] <neville> Peace
[03:51] <neville> White flag waving
[03:51] <bazhang> sFEARs: see ya
[03:51] <sFEARs> white flag.. SHOOT IT SHOOT IT
[03:51] <neville> D:
[03:51] <bazhang> haha
[03:53] <neville> vmware server
[03:54] <neville> It seems a little bit corporate-ish, doesn't it?
[03:55] <sFEARs> yeah.. doesn't look like it would be free
[03:55] <etfb> neville: it does the trick, though.  I think it's meant to be used to create loads of virtual machines that can act like a whole rack of real-world servers, for mail, web, stuff like that
[03:55] <sFEARs> there's a key componenet missing
[03:55] <etfb> neville: but if you just connect locally, it works fine
[03:55] <etfb> sFEARs: what's that?
[03:55] <sFEARs> i'm not sure.. but it has to be missing in there somewhere
[03:56] <bazhang> vmware-tools
[03:57] <etfb> sFEARs: you still need to obtain (ie buy) a copy of Windows to be able to create a virtual machine.  If you want ten Windows machines, that's ten copies you need to shell out for
[03:57] <neville> Hmm,  I might just go about getting a copy of vmware workstation instead
[03:57] <etfb> I have the license key that came with my laptop before I installed Kubuntu, but if I ever wanted more, I'd have to (a) pay or (b) don an eyepatch and a hook and carry a parrot at all times
[03:57] <sFEARs> i think i have a windows cd that will work
[03:57] <neville> Option b)
[03:58] <neville> Because
[03:58] <[B5C]wallabee> what is the best torrent client in kde?
[03:58] <sFEARs> eyepatches are back in style.. you didn't know?
[03:58] <neville> Microsoft don't deserve money for having a monopoly and creating mediocre software, at best
[03:58] <etfb> [B5C]wallabee: ktorrent seems like the only game in town.  There's a LOT of crap out there.
[03:58] <bazhang> ktorrent or transmission [B5C]wallabee
[03:58] <bazhang> neville: arr matey
[03:58] <[B5C]wallabee> encryption?
[03:58] <etfb> neville: you might very well say that, but I couldn't possibly comment
[03:59] <etfb> bazhang: haven't heard of Transmission.  How does it compare?
[03:59] <neville> I payed for my copy of Windows, but that's about it
[03:59] <neville> They'll never get another cent out of me
[03:59] <david__> ktorrent is the one I use when I need one.
[03:59] <bazhang> no ports open great for getting linux distros etfb
[04:00] <sFEARs> microsoft makes good software.. windows is not good software.. it just has a good pitch to sell it to fund the good software they make
[04:01] <david__> sfears I would agree they do make some good software ... I have run networed windows on diskless systems using shared files ...
[04:01] <[B5C]wallabee> does ktorrent have encryption and a web gui?
[04:01] <david__> keeping old files working seems to be its biggest fault.
[04:02] <osiris> raylu, rebooted server.  FS errors.  fixed them and rebooted. all seems well, other than the pita of hooking up a monitor to it
[04:02] <etfb> [B5C]wallabee: why do you need encryption?
[04:02] <adamonline45> he's prolly on comcast
[04:02] <osiris> thx for the inspiration
[04:03] <osiris> [B5C]wallabee, it has both
[04:03] <osiris> its what i use
[04:03] <etfb> adamonline45: I'm in Australia, but I might as well be on Tau Ceti IV... what does "comcast" mean in this context?
[04:03] <bmk789> is an LVM partition accessible from any LVM compatible *buntu install?
[04:03] <adamonline45> etfb: It's an ISP in the US
[04:03] <bazhang> terrible lying isp etfb
[04:03] <osiris> comcast is sending RST packet to torrents to try to kill them
[04:03] <sFEARs> yeah.. but doesn't mac do the same thing.. they restructure thier whole OS on a regular basis too don't they
[04:04] <etfb> osiris: Ah!  I've heard of that.  Can't you just pick a non-standard port?
[04:04] <osiris> google sandvine and comcast
[04:04] <osiris> i do that too, but sandvine reads the packet header
[04:04] <etfb> osiris: but I have IRC!  I don't need to pray to Google!
[04:05] <osiris> im on comcast and dont have problems
[04:05] <etfb> osiris: ah, that's a bugger, and no mistake.  Well, if ktorrent has encryption as you say, it's probably worth a go, [B5C]wallabee!  What do you need the Web GUI for?
[04:05] <osiris> use the IP block plugin, the bandwidth schedule, and a non standard port range + encryption
[04:06] <osiris> thats about all you can do for it
[04:07] <neville> 210Mb
[04:07] <etfb> neville: thought you'd like to know, I'm running a VMWare Server instance with a WinXP VM right now.  Just installing Firefox on it so I can install Chatzilla, and then I'm going to see if I can talk in double vision...
[04:07] <neville> Looks like I'll be connected to the internet for a few days
[04:08] <neville> Hahaha
[04:08] <etfb> neville: don't you have high-speed broadband?
[04:09] <neville> 33.6k dialup for me, good sir
[04:09] <osiris> ouch
[04:09] <neville> I currently have a lag of 6 seconds, due to looking on the vmware site =]
[04:09] <etfb> neville: Oh my god!  You've somehow connected from the distant past!  Amazing!  STAY OUT OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER IN 2001!!!
[04:10] <neville> Hahaha, that's so funny I'll just ignore the patronising side =P
[04:10] <sFEARs> no way.. there's aspestos in there
[04:10] <david__> neville my heart goes out to you.
[04:10] <sFEARs> espically when mixed with bovine growth hormone & second hand smoke.. ummm, a few of my favorite experiments
[04:10] <sFEARs> i mean things
[04:11] <sFEARs> a few of my favorite things
[04:11] <neville> Hmm, only 19 hours left
[04:12]  * bazhang expects the room to get slapped for offtopic momentarily
[04:12]  * etfb just disconnected himself by accident, mid conversation
[04:12] <etfb> bazhang: quite right.  Must ask on-topic question... <thinks>
[04:13] <bazhang> haha
[04:13] <etfb> Anyone know how to make knetworkmanager connect to a wifi access point automatically when I disconnect the wired connection?
[04:13] <sFEARs> well i'd talk about kubuntu but i know absolutely everthing there possibly is to know about it
[04:13] <neville> Can somebody tell me the advantages of running Kubuntu over windows 98se? -P
[04:13] <neville> =P*
[04:13] <etfb> sFEARs: Oh my god!  Mark Shuttleworth, is that you?  Can I have a million rand?
[04:14] <sFEARs> yes you can.. i just can't tell you how
[04:14] <jac0b> does anyone else have the problem with xmms not being able to control the volume
[04:15] <etfb> jac0b: Why are you using xmms?  I saw a damning review of it in Linux Format.  Everyone loves Amarok, apparently...
[04:15] <osiris> why ?
[04:15] <osiris> amarok is SOOO heavy for smaller systems
[04:15] <sFEARs> well for one thing neville kubuntu is african.. and windows is obviously english.. and everyone knows african is better.. becuase good is dumb!
[04:16] <osiris> bad space balls reference aside
[04:16] <neville> Heh
[04:16] <etfb> sFEARs: your cunning logic makes my head hurt
[04:16] <sFEARs> haha
[04:17] <etfb> So, jac0b - why xmms?  Do you want me to find the LXF article and tell you what they recommend instead, apart from that well-known memory hog Amarok?
[04:17] <mox69__> xmms is the closest to winamp
[04:17] <jac0b> nah
[04:17] <mox69__> and it has always worked fine for me
[04:17] <mox69__> xmms is the only player that seems to work on my system for streaming radio..
[04:17] <jac0b> i removed it
[04:17] <sFEARs> audacious is like winamp too
[04:18]  * etfb goes to find the article, because it has some good points on exactly this topic
[04:18] <sFEARs> not sure if audacious has streaming radio
[04:19] <[B5C]wallabee> ktorrent is really nice
[04:19] <jac0b> doesn't amarok stream
[04:19] <[B5C]wallabee> but get only about 700 k
[04:19] <[B5C]wallabee> maybe its the old torrent
[04:19] <etfb> jac0b: if I weren't maxing my memory with VMWare, I'd be listening to internet radio on Amarok right now, so: yes it does
[04:20] <sFEARs> m0nk.. i got my xp box up and running if you still need those drivers
[04:21] <sFEARs> not that he's still here
[04:22] <jac0b> I can't control the volume with audacious either
[04:23] <etfb> article reviews Juk (7/10), Amarok (10/10), Rhythmbox (8/10), BMPx (5/10), Banshee (6/10) and XMMS (2/10)
[04:23] <surgy> sFEARs: got it wound
[04:23] <bazhang> ouch
[04:23] <jac0b> yeah I am sticking with amarok
[04:25] <sakthian> hi
[04:28] <surgy> sFEARs: hi
[04:35] <etfb> Right, I'm off to pick up my daughter from her Grand Moogi's house.  Bye all!
[04:35] <misslissa> how do i configure my printer to work
[04:35] <misslissa> I downloaded the driver
[04:35] <ardchoille> !print
[04:35] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:36] <misslissa> thanks
[04:36] <Dr_willis> what printer may this be? Most all drivers are allready included, or are in the repos. No need to download anything.
[04:36] <misslissa> Canon iP1800
[04:36] <Dr_willis> ICK!~~!~
[04:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:36] <Dr_willis> I got an ip1600 - its the wifes.. for her xp system.
[04:36] <misslissa> I downloaded the driver and its not listed under printers when I go to add
[04:36] <Dr_willis> i am reminded why i will never buy another canon printer. :)
[04:36] <misslissa> for some reason my printer doesnt read
[04:37] <dsmith_> ewwww canon ip series
[04:37] <misslissa> and I have kubuntu as my main operating system
[04:37] <misslissa> i know
[04:37] <dsmith_> we have a ip1700 here
[04:37] <misslissa> it came free with my computer
[04:37] <Dr_willis> im suprised you found somthing to download actually
[04:37] <dsmith_> I could never get the thing to work
[04:37] <Dr_willis> misslissa,  i got a free canon with my last pc.. I gave it away as a gift. :)
[04:37] <misslissa> now i know why because the ink makes up for the "free" printer in cost
[04:37] <dsmith_> there is a website talking about drivers that will work, but alas they are not free
[04:37] <misslissa> and its not supported by linux
[04:37] <Dr_willis> actually the ink cost was not too bad for what my wife was doing.
[04:37] <dsmith_> what ver. kubuntu?
[04:38] <Dr_willis> compared to some other printers
[04:38] <misslissa> 7.10
[04:38] <misslissa> I love it
[04:38] <dsmith_> get a HP 10022
[04:38] <dsmith_> er.. 1022
[04:38] <misslissa> I got beryl up and running and its awesome
[04:38] <dsmith_> we have a 1020 but that was a pain to get running
[04:38] <dsmith_> 1022s work
[04:39] <dsmith_> besides thats all I know on printers.. besides the older HP and new HP network printers function
[04:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. TurboPrint has some Canon printer drivers now.. thats cool.. :) at least the exist.
[04:39] <dsmith_> Dr_willis: those are not free I think
[04:40] <Dr_willis> dsmith_,  correct.. they are not.. BUT at least they exist
[04:40] <dsmith_> yes
[04:40] <Dr_willis> and what seems to happen is that after a while they slowly get  put into the free cups drivers.  at least thats how it happend to me a few yrs back
[04:41] <Dr_willis> I had some printer had to use Turboprint, then a year later it was free. :)
[04:41] <Dr_willis> dang - they got a LOT of canon ip printers supported now.
[04:42] <skyfalcon866> !op |ubotu
[04:42] <ubotu> ubotu: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or ardchoille!
[04:43] <nixternal> YAY FOR ME!
[04:43] <MaTiAz> :)
[04:43] <maduser> ?
[04:43] <bazhang> haha
[04:43] <dsmith_> what was that?
[04:43] <MaTiAz> apokryphos is listed twice, btw :)
[04:43] <Dr_willis> hes doubly special
[04:43] <bazhang> hes trolling all the ubuntu channels :{
[04:44] <MaTiAz> lol
[04:45] <thebanana> can anyone here point me to some docs about hal on kubuntu
[04:45] <maduser> 01101000011010010000110100001010
[04:45] <thebanana> as of gutsy, it doesn't look like ivman is used anymore for automounting
[04:45] <thebanana> (at least it's not installed on my system)  so, how does kde do the automounting?
[04:51] <erin> So I take it since no one talks in the default channel, there isn't anyone paying attention enough to help me
[04:51] <cuking_1> erin what is the question?
[04:51] <bazhang> erin: ask away
[04:52] <erin> Basically I'm just having trouble working this program.  I've never used anything IRC before, and this is my first time tinkering witht his client.
[04:52] <bazhang> konversation erin?
[04:52] <erin> yeah
[04:53] <maduser> what do you need to do?
[04:53] <maduser> join a channel?
[04:53] <erin> Pretty much.
[04:53] <Dr_willis>  - /join #SpiffyChannel
[04:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:53] <bazhang> haha
[04:54] <erin> There isn't a list or anything, so I take it I'd have to change server or something..
[04:54] <cuking_1> erin on the menu under file is a join command ...
[04:54] <erin> To a server with more stuff on it?
[04:54] <Dr_willis> depends on your irc client
[04:54] <erin> I've gotten that far
[04:54] <cuking_1> erin .... I think /list works but .... lots of data
[04:54] <Dr_willis> Most come with dozens of irc networks in their server listings
[04:54] <erin> This does not.
[04:54] <Dr_willis>  /list shows channel listings for This server (which is part of the freenode network)
[04:55] <Dr_willis> Other networks got diffrent channels.
[04:55] <Dr_willis> other freenode servers all are 'here'  in these channels.
[04:55] <erin> Aha!
[04:55] <Dr_willis> irc FUNdamentals
[04:55] <thebanana> can anyone help me grok udev+hal+dbus configuration in kubuntu?
[04:55] <maduser> f5 for channel lits on a server
[04:55] <erin> Oh wow, this did it
[04:55] <erin> Thank you everyone!!
[04:55] <Hirvinen> erin: http://google.com/search?q=konversation+documentation yields on the first page e.g. this rather relevant looking page: http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/ . Also, F1 gets you to documentation in most programs.
[04:55] <nnaushahi> hi
[04:55] <Dr_willis> 1000+ channels all starting with $ and ! and ## and so forth.. heh ..
[04:56] <maduser> yeah
[04:56] <thebanana> i'm trying to prevent kde from prompting me about mounting a specific usb mass storage device
[04:58] <tehm0nk> !floppy
[04:58] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[04:58] <thebanana> tehm0nk: was that intended for me?
[04:59] <tehm0nk> what no
[04:59] <tehm0nk> i'm trying to figure out how to get floppy access again lol
[04:59] <tehm0nk> i dont know how lol :-x
[04:59] <thebanana> ah i see
[04:59] <tehm0nk> i forgot how to mount it again
[05:00] <tehm0nk> anyone here that was here earlier?
[05:00] <nnaushahi> can someone help? my mic wont work, using dell inspiron 1300
[05:03] <tehm0nk> any ideas on mounting a floppy right
[05:03] <m1k3> I need help
[05:03] <Hirvinen> !ask | m1k3
[05:03] <ubotu> m1k3: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:03] <m1k3> Lmao
[05:04] <nnaushahi> can someone help? my mic wont work, using dell inspiron 1300 laptop
[05:04] <m1k3> Ok, you know how when you change desktops you still see the windows minimized from the other desktops, well I want to prevent it from doing that, how do I do it?
[05:05] <pacman> I have a second hard drive that has Windows on it, and I want to get it so I can choose between the two on start up
[05:06] <tehm0nk> m1k3, it's in the settings for multiple desktops
[05:06] <tehm0nk> pacman run while you can
[05:06] <tehm0nk> i've been at that for about 2 days now
[05:06] <tehm0nk> :-P
[05:06] <m1k3> tehm0nk, where are these settings at?
[05:06] <tehm0nk> jk
[05:06] <tehm0nk> i'm not in kubuntu right this minute
[05:06] <zas> can anyone tell me how to setup my mouse so the LMB brings up the task menu anyplace on the desktop
[05:07] <pacman> do I need to do something with my grub?
[05:07] <tehm0nk> pac lemme get a link i was using earlier
[05:08] <Hirvinen> !laptop | nnaushahi
[05:08] <ubotu> nnaushahi: Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[05:08] <nnaushahi> thanks
[05:10] <Hirvinen> nnaushahi: Search for your model in the ubuntu wiki. There might be a solution described in there. If not, there might be a generic instruction page for regarding recording with a mic, which might help.
[05:10] <nnaushahi> i been searching, audio working fine, its the mic wont work, when i run sound recorder, I get error
[05:11] <tehm0nk> pacman, you get that?
[05:11] <nnaushahi> Error : "your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them in Multimedia settings"
[05:12] <pacman> yeah, it won't let me talk back to you
[05:13] <tehm0nk> thats because you have to register your nick
[05:14] <surgy> anyone wanna help me out with an electrical problem? join me in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:16] <nnaushahi> I will be right back
[05:17] <sFEARs> what's the unzip command from a prompt
[05:17] <sFEARs> ark -zph
[05:17] <tehm0nk> how do you mount a floppy
[05:17] <tehm0nk> the method in !floppy did not work.
[05:17] <thebanana> sFEARs: `unzip`
[05:18] <thebanana> tehm0nk: `mount /dev/fd /where/you/want/to/mount/it`
[05:20] <sFEARs> whatever you wanna call it.. unpack unarkive unassemble number 5
[05:20] <tehm0nk> how do i browse the files of wine when there is no link it the menu?
[05:20] <tehm0nk> (i'm on knoppix)
[05:21] <tehm0nk> the floppy is actually working, didn't have a disk in there lol
[05:21] <raylu> files of...wine?
[05:21] <tehm0nk> But...
[05:21] <tehm0nk> like the C: of wine
[05:21] <sFEARs> ahhh.. tar
[05:21] <tehm0nk> i extrated drivers there
[05:21] <raylu> oh, it's ~/.wine/drive_c by default
[05:21] <tehm0nk> from an exe
[05:21] <m1k3> ~/.wine/drive_c ?
[05:21] <tehm0nk> o0o lemme try that
[05:21] <raylu> huh? you can't wine drivers
[05:22] <tehm0nk> from root?
[05:22] <tehm0nk> ok
[05:22] <raylu> er, ~ is shorthand for $HOME
[05:22] <tehm0nk> the only driver package i can get from nvidia is a EXE file
[05:22] <raylu> !nvidia
[05:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:22] <raylu> does...that help?
[05:22] <tehm0nk> not in the slightest
[05:22] <raylu> the exe ultimately will just unpack windows drivers
[05:22] <tehm0nk> right now i'm trying to get my sata raid drivers on a floppy
[05:22] <tehm0nk> to install windowsxp
[05:23] <raylu> there's no way you need an exe to install nvidia drivers
[05:23] <raylu> then...what does nvidia have to do with this?
[05:23] <tehm0nk> lmfao
[05:23] <tehm0nk> cause they're nforce raid
[05:23] <raylu> OH
[05:23] <tehm0nk> Nvidia MediaSheild Raid
[05:23] <raylu> this is not a graphics driver
[05:23] <tehm0nk> :-P
[05:23] <tehm0nk> no sir
[05:23] <tehm0nk> lol
[05:23] <raylu> heh...ok
[05:23] <tehm0nk> i got them to extract already just can't find them
[05:23] <tehm0nk> to drag to the floppy.
[05:23] <tehm0nk> lol
[05:24] <tehm0nk> Again and hope they work this time
[05:24] <raylu> i see. if you want wincfg will allow you to configure the various drives
[05:24] <tehm0nk> i did this in kubuntu
[05:24] <tehm0nk> but it didn't
[05:24] <raylu> anyway, i have to go now
[05:24] <tehm0nk> this time i'm going to add more
[05:24] <tehm0nk> on the dist
[05:24] <tehm0nk> raylu, u fail :-P
[05:24] <raylu> T.T
[05:24] <tehm0nk> *disc
[05:24] <tehm0nk> really i fail
[05:24] <tehm0nk> but
[05:24] <raylu> *disk :P
[05:24] <tehm0nk> still
[05:24] <raylu> i'm not sure floppy disc is valid. anyway, seeya
[05:24] <tehm0nk> can you get to the C: in wine in a file browser?
[05:25] <m1k3> raylu, do you know how to prevent minimized windows from appearing from other desktops?
[05:25] <raylu> yes. ~/.wine/drive_c
[05:25] <raylu> are you using compiz?
[05:25] <raylu> there's an option somewhere in both compiz and kde for it, i _think_
[05:25] <raylu> anyway, i really must go now
[05:25] <tehm0nk> what is a terminal Find command?
[05:25] <tehm0nk> like
[05:26] <tehm0nk> Find wine
[05:26] <m1k3> Why, what do you need to find
[05:26] <tehm0nk> "drivers"
[05:26] <tehm0nk> the folder i extracted the drivers to lol
[05:26] <m1k3> go into the configuration of wine
[05:27] <tehm0nk> i'm in knoppix
[05:27] <m1k3> That's what I did to configure my flash drive
[05:27] <tehm0nk> the whole world is diff
[05:27] <m1k3> But I thought Wine configuration was installed with wine
[05:27] <sFEARs> so i've downloaded the tar.gz vmware-server.. what do i do with it now.. still kinda new at installs
[05:27] <tehm0nk> m1k3, i HAVE to put them on a floppy
[05:27] <tehm0nk> cause
[05:27] <tehm0nk> F6 in winxp install
[05:27] <sFEARs> there's no makefiles to compile & make install
[05:27] <sFEARs> says it's a binary
[05:28] <KingJere> Evening folks. on kubuntu 7.10 what do I need to do to have a suspend button? I have logout hibernate and shutdown and restart.
[05:28] <tehm0nk> what are the wine settings called?
[05:28] <tehm0nk> is there a command i can type in for them?
[05:28] <m1k3> One second
[05:28] <m1k3> try
[05:28] <m1k3> wine --help
[05:28] <m1k3> I dunno
[05:28] <ardchoille> winecfg ?
[05:29] <m1k3> it's
[05:29] <m1k3> wine-winecfg
[05:29] <m1k3> :P
[05:29] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[05:29] <tehm0nk> knoppix@Knoppix:~$ wine-winecfg
[05:29] <tehm0nk> bash: wine-winecfg: command not found
[05:29] <m1k3> Works for me
[05:29] <m1k3> O_o
[05:29] <tehm0nk> see! i'm in knoppix it's a differant world
[05:29] <tehm0nk> i just gotta find it grr
[05:29] <tehm0nk> command line search?
[05:30] <m1k3> wait, it is winecfg
[05:30] <m1k3> I just tried it
[05:30] <ardchoille> I seem to remember someone posting that :)
[05:31] <m1k3> Why didn't you try it then
[05:31] <m1k3> :S
[05:31] <ardchoille> I don't use wine
[05:31] <tehm0nk> arghness
[05:31] <tehm0nk> all it says for drives is .../drive_c
[05:31] <m1k3> You need to re-add one
[05:32] <m1k3> Manually
[05:32] <m1k3> I think it's in the /dev folder
[05:32] <Daisuke_Ido> m1k3: drive_c/ is not in /dev
[05:33] <m1k3> No, no the currently connected ones are in /dev
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it's in ~/.wine
[05:33] <m1k3> I know that
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, yes
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> nevermind
[05:33] <m1k3> Lol
[05:33] <tehm0nk> okay
[05:33] <tehm0nk> made a dir now need to redownload etc
[05:34] <m1k3> My floppy is /media/floppy0
[05:34] <tehm0nk> the floppy was actually working i'm just a boon
[05:34] <tehm0nk> and didn't have one in there
[05:34] <fignew> floppy? what's that?
[05:34] <fignew> ;)
[05:34] <tehm0nk> was actually able to easily format it too
[05:34] <tehm0nk> fignew, should i reply with a wiki link?
[05:35] <tehm0nk> LOL
[05:35] <tehm0nk> jk
[05:35] <tehm0nk> it's that CRAP WINXP needs to use SATA RAID
[05:35] <tehm0nk> that i FORGOT to make a driver FLOPPY for.
[05:35] <tehm0nk> before i whiped
[05:36] <tehm0nk> ok now i'm screwed
[05:36] <tehm0nk> wine cfg somehow got messed
[05:36] <tehm0nk> and it wont run .exe's right anymore.
[05:36] <tehm0nk> wonderful
[05:36] <tehm0nk> just gonna reboot
[05:37] <tehm0nk> brb
[05:49] <nnaushahi> hi again
[05:52] <sFEARs> i have an internal broadcom wireless 802.11.. when i click on enable interface it clicks on for a half a second then turns right back off.. any ideas on how to get it to stay on?
[05:52] <sFEARs> i'm working off the 7.04 live cd
[05:53] <sFEARs> mabey i can't enable wireless networking on the live cd?
[05:54] <nnaushahi> it wont save settings probably, ,thats why
[05:54] <sFEARs> it should save them locally though.. just won't save on reboot
[05:55] <nnaushahi> not sure, am newbie
[05:55] <sFEARs> thanks anyway
[05:55] <ardchoille> sFEARs: Anything done in a livecd session that isn't saved to some other media is erased when the livecd session ends.
[05:56] <sFEARs> i'm just trying to get it working in the current session
[05:57] <bazhang> sFEARs: any reason not to try the gutsy live cd?
[05:57] <sFEARs> i happen to have a copy of 7.04
[05:57] <Slynderdale> Anyone here familiar with Konversation? If so, is it possible to create custom commands? LIke make it so if text gets prepended with a : it will send it as a /me command? Basicly I want to make a /me shortcut
[05:57] <sFEARs> i just got it in the mail like 2 months ago
[05:58] <bazhang> sFEARs: much more wireless support in gutsy
[05:58] <sFEARs> IC
[05:58] <sFEARs> i'm installing.. i'll see what happens
[05:58] <sFEARs> proally won't work
[05:59] <nnaushahi> this is my first day using ubuntu and Konversation
[05:59] <nnaushahi> heres what u can do Slynderdale
[05:59] <sFEARs> welcome to a help channel nnaushahi
[05:59] <nnaushahi> settings - configure
[05:59] <sFEARs> sometimes we even help
[05:59] <nnaushahi> Command Aliases
[06:00] <nnaushahi> google
[06:05] <Slynderdale> Hmm, where can I get the SOAP::Lite perl module required by Konversation?
[06:06] <ardchoille> !info libsoap-lite-perl | Slynderdale
[06:06] <ubotu> slynderdale: libsoap-lite-perl: Client and server side SOAP implementation. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.69-1 (gutsy), package size 389 kB, installed size 1472 kB
[06:12] <posingaspopular> hey all I keep getting this error when I try to launch Virtual Box: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48409/ I mean, i know how to read, but i duno how to fix the specific error
[06:14] <FireCrotch> posingaspopular: You need to install the package virtualbox-ose-modules
[06:14] <Slynderdale> Whats a good FTP client with a decent GUI for K/Ubuntu?
[06:15] <ardchoille> kftpgrabber
[06:15] <posingaspopular> should I install the modules-server 6 or modules-generic 6?
[06:15] <sFEARs> would a program like kftpgrabber work on ubuntu? or does it need kde?
[06:15] <FireCrotch> posingaspopular: well, you would use server if you're running a server kernel
[06:15] <ardchoille> sFEARs: kde apps work quite well in gnome and vice-versa
[06:15] <phantomon> hi
[06:16] <sFEARs> alright
[06:16] <posingaspopular> ah im just trying to mess around with a distro
[06:16] <Slynderdale> !info kftpgrabber
[06:16] <ubotu> kftpgrabber: ftp client for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-1 (gutsy), package size 1122 kB, installed size 3192 kB
[06:16] <FireCrotch> posingaspopular:  sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-modules-`uname -r` will get you the right version
[06:17] <phantomon> how can i download a package in spanish for my open office
[06:17] <phantomon> ?
[06:18] <FireCrotch> phantomon: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-es
[06:19] <Slynderdale> Thanks ardchoille, that will do
[06:19] <ardchoille> yw Slynderdale
[06:19] <phantomon> thx ! :D
[06:20] <FireCrotch> yw phantomon
[06:35] <Slynderdale> Hmm, anyone know of a good gmail notifcation application for linux?
[06:36] <ardchoille> Slynderdale: apt-cache search gmail
[06:43] <damone> is there a way to make bash's autocomplete feature to use less instead of more?
[06:44] <tehm0nk> So...
[06:44] <tehm0nk> i can't get winxp to work whatsoever
[06:44] <tehm0nk> even with a driver disk that doesn't error
[06:44] <tehm0nk> it tells me no disks found
[06:45] <tehm0nk> and i dont have a vista disk
[06:45] <tehm0nk> so i'm going to just install kubuntu
[06:45] <tehm0nk> hmm
[06:45] <tehm0nk> but
[06:45] <tehm0nk> i can't figure out how to partition it again lol
[06:45] <tehm0nk> lost my link
[06:45] <tehm0nk> gparted?
[06:46] <tehm0nk> does that work with kubuntu?
[06:47] <mgolden> tehm0nk: when you use the live CD it isn't offering you a step to partition the disk?
[06:47] <ardchoille> tehm0nk: Yes, most gnome apps work in kde
[06:50] <tehm0nk> i'll try with the installer
[06:50] <tehm0nk> i want to make multiple parts tho
[06:50] <sigma_kubuntu> where can i ask a question about greylisting?
[06:50] <tehm0nk> one DEAD part at the beginning for windows & windows swap for later on....
[06:51] <sigma_kubuntu> tehm0nk: windows swap is just a file. not a partition
[06:52] <tehm0nk> i know but the boot stuff wants a place too
[06:52] <tehm0nk> so i wanted a ntfs part at the beginning for windows
[06:52] <tehm0nk> but i dont see it in the install part...
[06:52] <sigma_kubuntu> its the pagefile.sys file in your win partition
[06:53] <tehm0nk> sigma no cause i'm not a window retard
[06:53] <tehm0nk> i dont put my pagefile there
[06:53] <tehm0nk> ever
[06:53] <tehm0nk> not in the windows partition
[06:53] <tehm0nk> fragmentation ftl
[06:53] <tehm0nk> since 98se i've done what i do
[06:53] <sigma_kubuntu> it should be on the face of the harddrive but thats only if its enabled
[06:54] <tehm0nk> ok here is what i *want*
[06:54] <sigma_kubuntu> it dnt make a diff where that pagefile is
[06:55] <tehm0nk> 1. ntfs 3gb part for windows pagefile.sys and boot.ini 2. linux boot dunno the size to make that 3. linux swap 4. linux "/" 5 linux /home 6 for vista 7 storage
[06:55] <tehm0nk> sigma i hate to say it but i really beg to differ
[06:55] <tehm0nk> if it's in with the windows OS
[06:56] <tehm0nk> on that partition the pagefile helps fragment the drive as it grows shrinks.
[06:56] <sigma_kubuntu> bsander: with some fiddling i got the tv out working:) thanks a mil. why can't i use my mouse on the tv though?
[06:56] <tehm0nk> and btw why do you think linux distros want a swap part?
[06:56] <tehm0nk> ...
[06:56] <GreatBritain> morning all - i am now running mysql and postgresql along side and i still no better off !
[06:57] <tehm0nk> is "parted" a gui app or command line?
[06:57] <mgolden> them0nk: Do you already have Windows installed on a partition?
[06:57] <GreatBritain> the i received an e-mail from TuxShop support stating install MySQL
[06:57] <GreatBritain> so i have.. how to create a database
[06:57] <tehm0nk> no cant get winxp to recognize my raid drivers
[06:57] <tehm0nk> ugh
[06:57] <tehm0nk> so i'm dling vista tonight
[06:57] <sigma_kubuntu> greatbritain: whats the problem? i do that and it works
[06:57] <mgolden> Ah
[06:57] <tehm0nk> which i had on here earlier and worked great
[06:58] <tehm0nk> but i want a working non-cd booted computer
[06:58] <tehm0nk> :-P
[06:58] <SatManUK> sigma_kubuntu: when i install TuxShop it says its unable to communicate with the database
[06:58] <tehm0nk> how much space does a /boot partition need?
[06:58] <mgolden> them0nk: I would definitely try the liveCD
[06:58] <tehm0nk> i'm on it now
[06:58] <tehm0nk> ...
[06:58] <tehm0nk> :-P
[06:59] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did u create the database?
[06:59] <mgolden> them0nk: I don't think it needs very much
[06:59] <SatManUK> in mysql i am not sure how..
[06:59] <SatManUK> is it the catalog?
[06:59] <FireCrotch> tehm0nk: about 100mb, if even that
[06:59] <sigma_kubuntu> tehm0nk: qtparted is also a good app for kde
[06:59] <tehm0nk> ok that sounds good
[07:00] <tehm0nk> ok i'll install it and try that...
[07:01] <tehm0nk> qtparted?
[07:01] <tehm0nk> is that in adept?
[07:01] <tehm0nk> or do i have to find it?
[07:01] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: no u must create one manually. download kmysqladmin to do it. you dont have apache installed hey?
[07:01] <SatManUK> i do have apache installed
[07:01] <tehm0nk> ack nm found that
[07:01] <tehm0nk> where do i run that from?
[07:01] <sigma_kubuntu> tehm0nk: i got it from packages.ubuntu.com
[07:01] <tehm0nk> duh nm
[07:01] <SatManUK> i was using it for sql-ledger another app i was trying to use instead.. but had errors with that also
[07:01] <tehm0nk> lol
[07:01] <etfb> Has anyone tried uninstalling Dolphin in KDE?  What happens?  Does Konqueror come back, or are you left in limbo?
[07:01] <tehm0nk> it's already installed
[07:02] <SatManUK> i have kmysqladmin installed
[07:02] <Daisuke_Ido> !d3lphin | etfb
[07:02] <ubotu> etfb: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[07:02] <tehm0nk> does qtparted work with Raid?
[07:02] <tehm0nk> heh
[07:02] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: ok rather download a php tool called phpmyadmin, u do have php installed hey?
[07:02] <etfb> Daisuke_Ido: thankyou!  I'd offer to have your babies if I were able.  I _hate_ Dolphin!
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> etfb: wait until kde4's release before saying that
[07:03] <tehm0nk> it's showing each of my hd's separate
[07:03] <tehm0nk> and dmraid is installed and working
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> the version in gutsy's 3.5 has actually been abandoned for some time, it's a very porr filemanager.
[07:03] <SatManUK> if its not it will install it as a dependancy anyway..
[07:03] <SatManUK> hold on
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> poor*
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> the actual dolphin in kde4 is pretty nice though
[07:04] <etfb> Daisuke_Ido: Why?  Will there be a new version that doesn't have BROKEN TRANSLATION messages everywhere and will actually do all the things that I miss from Konq, like the Shift+Delete menu option?
[07:04] <tehm0nk> kde4 isn't released?
[07:04] <etfb> tehm0nk: not till next month
[07:04] <SatManUK> downloading php5 now
[07:04] <etfb> tehm0nk: I can't wait!
[07:04] <tehm0nk> so i'm a month early at messing with linux :-P
[07:04] <tehm0nk> lol
[07:05] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: yeah its much easier to use phpmyadmin than kmysqladmin
[07:05] <SatManUK> ok
[07:06] <etfb> Daisuke_Ido: it works!  Oh gods, what a relief!
[07:06] <SatManUK> ok its installed
[07:06] <SatManUK> php and phpmyadmin
[07:06] <SatManUK> its configured apache2
[07:06] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: u can find phpmyadmin by googling it. u need to put it in \var\www somewhere
[07:06] <SatManUK> its in apt
[07:06] <FireCrotch> or sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[07:07] <SatManUK> i done it
[07:07] <ishnayder> update to 7.10 just failed. could not configure bunch of packages due to dependency problems???? system may not be in a runnable state? any sugesstions?
[07:07] <sigma_kubuntu> oh ok well open phpmyadmin- shud open from web browser
[07:07] <etfb> IS anyone still using PHP4 under Gutsy?  Installing is a pain, because you need to install Apache from source as well, otherwise it has the wrong options -- right?
[07:08] <sigma_kubuntu> etfb: why not use php 5?
[07:08] <SatManUK> how to i access phpmyadmin now from a browser?
[07:08] <SatManUK> http://localhost/phpmyadmin?
[07:08] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: because one of the web hosts I do dev work for only has PHP4.
[07:08] <SatManUK> thats a good guess..
[07:09] <SatManUK> it worked
[07:09] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: the PHP team messed up the upgrade to PHP5 so badly that most ISPs still don't use it
[07:09] <sigma_kubuntu> eftb: well thats pretty sad. y dont they upgrade?
[07:09] <FireCrotch> etfb:  you shouldn't have to install apache from source to use php4
[07:09] <SatManUK> so then yes in KMyAdmin Catalogues are Databases and I have created a database called TuxShop
[07:09] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: because the vast majority of their users are almost computer illiterate, and couldn't handle the inevitable errors if they upgraded
[07:09] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did u manage2 create the new database?
[07:10] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: that's why PHP5 failed so dismally in the wider marketplace
[07:10] <sigma_kubuntu> ok try installing it again
[07:10] <etfb> FireCrotch: the problem is that you need to reconfigure with the --enable-so option, and as far as I can tell, I can't do that without just installing the lot from source and bypassing apt.  Have you tried?
[07:11] <tehm0nk> can ALL linux partitions be encased in a extended partition by this i mean, /boot, swap, "/", /home??
[07:11] <tehm0nk> uh oh! it's FireCrotch again
[07:11] <sigma_kubuntu> eftb: i see. i didnt upgrade so didnt have that problem
[07:12] <ardchoille> !lamp | etfb there's more info on how to install here
[07:12] <ubotu> etfb there's more info on how to install here: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:12] <FireCrotch> etfb: I've used php4 on gutsy-server, it was just a simple apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[07:12] <mgolden> Does anyone here know anything about the kde4 RC2 live CD?
[07:12] <ardchoille> FireCrotch: Yeah
[07:12] <mgolden> I am trying it with my old Sony Vaio PCG-XG19
[07:13] <mgolden> and unless I start it in safe graphics mode
[07:13] <etfb> FireCrotch: is that in the standard repositories.  I didn't notice it.  Will it set everything up?  I figured a lib* package was purely the backend C libraries, no front-end parser/web stuff
[07:13] <mgolden> it starts, then immediately crashes, then restarts
[07:14] <mgolden> over and over again
[07:14] <sigma_kubuntu> mgolden: its probably still got a few bugs
[07:14] <etfb> mgolden: I've got a copy from a magazine that I was planning to try.  Have you tried it on a different machine?
[07:14] <tehm0nk> can /boot be in a logical partition or no?
[07:14] <FireCrotch> etfb:  You need to install php4 and libapache2-mod-php4
[07:14] <FireCrotch> !info libapache2-mod-php4
[07:14] <ubotu> Package libapache2-mod-php4 does not exist in gutsy
[07:15] <FireCrotch> Okay, that's impossible, I know I've used it
[07:15] <mgolden> sigma_kubuntu: sure - I am wondering if it does something new and different with X11, and where should I repot this behavior?
[07:16] <mgolden> etfb: yes, it starts on my Dell Inspiron 6400
[07:16] <etfb> FireCrotch: Package libapache2-mod-php4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:16] <etfb> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:16] <etfb> is only available from another source
[07:16] <etfb> E: Package libapache2-mod-php4 has no installation candidate
[07:16] <FireCrotch> Yeah, I just got that when I tried to install it here on this box
[07:16] <ardchoille> FireCrotch: iirc, only libapache2-mod-php5 is ingutsy
[07:17] <etfb> FireCrotch: pretty much indicates that it's in some non-standard repos.  I've got uni/multi and some medibuntu ones in there.  Any guesses where else it might live, or shall I pray to Google?
[07:17] <sigma_kubuntu> mgolden: it prob does. its not that supported so u should wait for the final release. perhaps u should submit a bug to the kde team?
[07:17] <mgolden> etfb: I actually burned it twice because I thought there might have been a problem with the burn
[07:18] <mgolden> sigma{kubuntu: do you mean in launchpad?
[07:18] <FireCrotch> etfb:  Hmmmm, I have no idea, I only have official repos enabled
[07:18] <etfb> ardchoille: Yes, I remember reading the justification for the omission, that "PHP4 is no longer supported".  Never mind that those of us who live in the real world don't get to upgrade just because some unpaid Ubuntu-maintainer twonk says we should...
[07:18] <sigma_kubuntu> no i mean at bugs.kde.org
[07:18] <SatManUK> sigma_kubuntu: i think the program wants to create its own database..
[07:19] <SatManUK> it asks for the root password
[07:19] <etfb> mgolden: Clarify for me.  It works on your Dell 6400 but not on another machine?
[07:19] <ardchoille> etfb: In all fairness, the ubuntu developers know what they're doing and may have information that you and I don't have.
[07:19] <tehm0nk> anyone know what this means:
[07:19] <tehm0nk> Create Extended Partition #2 (extended, 63.47 GiB) on /dev/mapper/nvidia_ibdabjdf  00:00    ( ERROR )
[07:19] <tehm0nk>       
[07:19] <tehm0nk>    create empty partition  00:00    ( ERROR )
[07:19] <tehm0nk>    libparted messages    ( INFO )
[07:19] <tehm0nk>       
[07:19] <tehm0nk>   Can't have a partition outside the disk!
[07:19] <ardchoille> !pastebin | tehm0nk
[07:19] <ubotu> tehm0nk: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:19] <mgolden> etfb: yes
[07:19] <sigma_kubuntu> there is no root password. leav it blank
[07:20] <maduser> Hey when i play frets on fire the lights flash too bright
[07:20] <maduser> is there any way i can lower them?
[07:20] <etfb> sorry - have 5 week old baby to cuddle.  afk
[07:20] <mgolden> etfb: the machine it doesn't work on is an old Sony Vaio PCG-XG19
[07:21] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48411/
[07:21] <tehm0nk> there is the whole thing then...
[07:21] <FireCrotch> etfb:  I don't see any reason the feisty packages wouldn't work, you could download it manually and install it
[07:21] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did u try a blank password?
[07:23] <SatManUK> i removed the user password
[07:23] <SatManUK> now im running dkpg -i tuxshop.deb now
[07:23] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did it work?
[07:23] <SatManUK> im trying now..
[07:23] <SatManUK> Welcome -> Next
[07:24] <SatManUK> server localhost
[07:24] <SatManUK> user tux
[07:24] <SatManUK> password <blank>
[07:24] <SatManUK> database TuxShop
[07:24] <SatManUK> next
[07:24] <SatManUK> database root and password
[07:25] <sigma_kubuntu> yeah wat bout it?
[07:25] <SatManUK> i don't think it has the database drivers
[07:25] <SatManUK> QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
[07:25] <SatManUK> QSqlDatabase: available drivers: (null)
[07:25] <SatManUK> thats what it says in konsole
[07:26] <sigma_kubuntu> wat on earth is qsql?
[07:26] <SatManUK> then in the gui it says The TuxShop Database could not be created, as it was unable to connect to the MySQL server, using the details provided the wizard has no option but to terminate
[07:27] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: what do u want to use the software for?
[07:27] <SatManUK> im starting up a shop
[07:27] <SatManUK> so i want the point of sale software
[07:27] <sigma_kubuntu> do u really need the pos feature?
[07:27] <SatManUK> well i just want stock control
[07:28] <SatManUK> planning applications
[07:28] <SatManUK> i don't need the till control
[07:28] <sigma_kubuntu> hav u taken a look at quasar accounting?
[07:28] <SatManUK> no..
[07:28] <SatManUK> is that an apt package or not?
[07:29] <sigma_kubuntu> thats what i using. sum one made a gutsy package with full instructions
[07:29] <ardchoille> SatManUK: You can search your package cache with:  apt-cache search quasar
[07:29] <sigma_kubuntu> its in the ubuntu forum. search for quasar
[07:30] <sigma_kubuntu> its not in the repo for some odd reason
[07:31] <SatManUK> i found it in linuxcanada but in rpm..
[07:31] <ardchoille> SatManUK: http://www.linuxcanada.com/
[07:31] <SatManUK> ok to alien it in
[07:32] <ardchoille> SatManUK: No, using alien is dangerous
[07:32] <ardchoille> !alien | SatManUK
[07:32] <ubotu> SatManUK: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:32] <sigma_kubuntu> no satmanuk theres a prebuilt deb in ubuntuforums.org
[07:32] <SatManUK> im going their now
[07:33] <sigma_kubuntu> and it works perfectly
[07:35] <sigma_kubuntu> so if i search with kmldonkey. il get the same results as searching with limewire?
[07:36] <SatManUK> im downloading Quasar deb now
[07:36] <neville__> Just use Frostwire
[07:36] <SatManUK> im following the how to that was created yesterday
[07:36] <SatManUK> for postgres
[07:37] <Ayabara> I have bought a creative zen mp3 player that I want to use with Ubuntu. When I plug it in nothing happens. Amarok sees no devices to connect to. libmtp is installed.
[07:37] <sigma_kubuntu> neville: i dnt wana use a java app. so will kmlmonkey do the same job?
[07:37] <neville__> I've never used any of them to be honest, I just run Shareaza in wine =]
[07:38] <ardchoille> Ayabara: The only thing I could find for Creative Zen was this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199250
[07:39] <sigma_kubuntu> isnt there something in help.ubuntu.com for the zen in community docs?
[07:40] <Ayabara> ardchoille: thanks. I'll give the thread a go
[07:41] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: The only thing I could find was a link to the page I posted
[07:41] <SatManUK> 52% downloaded..
[07:41] <SatManUK> its shame its not included in the distro..
[07:41] <SatManUK> i would be able to download it 10 times faster..
[07:42] <ardchoille> SatManUK: Quasar?
[07:42] <SatManUK> yeah
[07:42] <SatManUK> but i guess its somebodies built package..
[07:42] <SatManUK> its not officially licenced under kubuntu..
[07:42] <ardchoille> SatManUK: Quasar isn't included in the distro because it's closed source, and I think you have to purchase it
[07:42] <SatManUK> and no doubt costs a fortune..
[07:42] <tehm0nk> !raid
[07:42] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[07:42] <XceII> Quasar: Works in a drawer.
[07:43] <ardchoille> hi XceII
[07:43] <XceII> Hey sweetie.
[07:43] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: its not closed source!
[07:43] <XceII> I saw your papers...nice work..
[07:44] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: it used to be but they changed it
[07:44] <XceII> Windows is not an opeating system,,It is a psyop.
[07:44] <ardchoille> SatManUK: My bad, I was wrong.. after further reading I found "Quasar Accounting Software is 100% GPL"
[07:46] <sigma_kubuntu> u only pay for the pos addon but thats for support
[07:46] <SatManUK> does that mean though your supposed to purchase it for commerical purposes but not for non commerical?
[07:46] <XceII> Hey sigma..
[07:47] <sigma_kubuntu> hey XceII
[07:47] <sky_> Hi... I'm trying to use kopete to see my windows live message account for the first time
[07:48] <XceII> Lol sigma..I love U 2.
[07:48] <sky_> however, i only got the folders, but no users show up...
[07:48] <XceII> Good folk.
[07:48] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: no the pos version must be purchased for any purpose
[07:48] <XceII> stifles.
[07:48] <SatManUK> sky_: have you set to view online users?
[07:48] <sky_> can someone help me to get my MSN users on my kopete?
[07:48] <SatManUK> if they are offline click on the icon
[07:48] <SatManUK> and show offline users
[07:49] <SatManUK> ah ok
[07:49] <sky_> SatManUK: hmm yea i have the "show offline" and "show empty groups" clicked
[07:49] <SatManUK> well i don't need that - atm anyhow
[07:49] <SatManUK> and you clicked the little +'s?
[07:49] <sky_> and I'm sure at least some users are online, so I don't know where they went.
[07:49] <Slynderdale> Hmm, anyone know of a good gmail notification application for linux?
[07:49] <sky_> beside the folders, there are no "+"'s
[07:50] <NickPresta> Slynderdale, gmail-notify. It's in the repos
[07:51] <sky_> I go to configure -> accounts -> <MSN account> -> Contacts, and I only see 1 contact there on the "allowed contacts", and no one else
[07:51] <Slynderdale> NickPresta: There seems to be like three in there, hence why I was asking
[07:51] <sky_> it's obviously my first time using kopete... weird that it got all my folders but only 1 out of my 300 users
[07:52] <NickPresta> Slynderdale, okay. I was just pointing out gmail-notify. I like it
[07:52] <sky_> any other suggestions on what i can try?
[07:53] <XceII> Just a note: Are we giving google too much leeway to our privy with allowing silent allowance?, Something to think about.
[07:54] <sigma_kubuntu> sky: try sumting besides kopete
[07:54] <sigma_kubuntu> XceII: just dont deal with google
[07:55] <ardchoille> !ot
[07:55] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:55] <XceII> They have the market, Be smart.
[07:55] <fignew> ot nazi :P
[07:55] <sky_> sigma_kubuntu: hmm so is it a known problem?
[07:55] <ardchoille> fignew: Please be respectful of others
[07:56] <hypernewbie> hey guys, ive got a slight problem thats very annoying
[07:56] <NickPresta> hypernewbie, what seems to be the problem?
[07:56] <hypernewbie> when i installed kubuntu on my compaq presario v2000, it worked fine
[07:56] <sigma_kubuntu> sky: wouldnt know. ive only used jabber
[07:56] <hypernewbie> acpi was perfect except i couldnt hibernate(i dont have enough enough swap so thats no surprize)
[07:57] <Ayabara> anyone know where I can get some help with libmtp stuff?
[07:57] <hypernewbie> i could suspend fine
[07:57] <hypernewbie> now, my laptop hangs on a black screen when i g suspend
[07:57] <NickPresta> Ayabara, what do you need help with?
[07:57] <hypernewbie> and when i used to hibernate, it'll try to hibernate then say not enough swap then come back
[07:57] <hypernewbie> now when i hibernate, it is the same black screen lock result
[07:57] <Ayabara> NickPresta: I try to connect to my Creative Zen in Gutsy. Gnomad2 gives me some mtp errors. Hold on and I will pastebin them.
[07:57] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: i get that 2. thats y i dont hibernate or suspend
[07:58] <hypernewbie> is ther any way to revert acpi settings or something
[07:58] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: haha, but this is a laptop :P
[07:58] <NickPresta> Ayabara, can you connect your device using mtp-connect? (mtp-tools)
[07:58] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: suspend = life
[07:59] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: yeah it also happens on a laptop 4me- dell d600
[07:59] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: u mean battery life?
[07:59] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: but it USED to work, like if it never worked then fair enough
[07:59] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: yeah
[07:59] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: i USED to be able to suspend fine
[08:00] <Ayabara> NickPresta: which arguments should I give mtp-connect?
[08:00] <NickPresta> hypernewbie, I know this is (slightly) unhelpful, but if you check here: http://www.google.com/search?q=laptop%20suspend%20black%20screen%20ubuntu there are many, many pages with information regarding your problem. Perhaps you can narrow it down?
[08:00] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: then y2.00712k came and it died
[08:00] <sigma_kubuntu> yeah it works til a certain time 4me. then it black screens
[08:00] <hypernewbie> haha
[08:00] <Ayabara> NickPresta: btw, here is my paste if you care to take a look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48413/
[08:00] <hypernewbie> timebomb
[08:01] <sky_> sigma_kubuntu: ok thanks !
[08:01] <NickPresta> Ayabara, which version of libmtp?
[08:01] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: i prefer the devs to fix it. dont wana damage anything
[08:01] <Ayabara> NickPresta: mtp-detect says no devices are found
[08:01] <SatManUK> i have installed qasar
[08:01] <SatManUK> sone all the create users
[08:01] <Ayabara> NickPresta: libmtp6 from repositories
[08:01] <XceII> People: All the tools work differently, Per Application: It is up to the applicator to differentiate those tools with (shared) experience that allows group experience...Work together.
[08:01] <hypernewbie> hmm
[08:01] <SatManUK> now it says i need to reboot so.. brb y'all
[08:01] <Ayabara> NickPresta: should I compile from source maybe?
[08:02] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: i really REALLY want suspend ...
[08:02] <SatManUK> sky_: did you solve your problem? sorry my computer froze doing an install
[08:02] <SatManUK> brb after reboot ok
[08:02] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: interesting cause when my comp goes suspend the pwore light flashes, so that means ubuntu isnt having problems resuming
[08:02] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: its having problems suspending in the first place
[08:02] <sigma_kubuntu> ok it didnt ask me2reboot
[08:03] <NickPresta> Ayabara, version 0.2.1 (libmtp6) should work fine.
[08:03] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: same here but the screen neva re activates
[08:04] <NickPresta> Ayabara, when your device is connected, mtp-detect doesn't find anything?
[08:04] <sky_> SatManUK; no I'm still trying to search for answer in the net
[08:05] <Ayabara> NickPresta: no, but lsusb has detected it
[08:06] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: wel at least its 90 percent working
[08:06] <hypernewbie> hypernewbie
[08:06] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: yeah
[08:07] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: except u can see kubuntu is like buggy here and there
[08:07] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: unstable release, lives up to its name
[08:07] <sigma_kubuntu> so is windows!
[08:07] <sigma_kubuntu> what release r u using?
[08:07] <mikes1> I am running hardy on a new laptop
[08:08] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: gutsy
[08:08] <mikes1> It detects all h/ware
[08:08] <mikes1> but not sorted and slow
[08:08] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: do u know how acpi works?
[08:08] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: i'm in /proc/acpi tryin go vi stuff
[08:08] <hypernewbie> trying to*
[08:08] <sigma_kubuntu> nope havent a clue
[08:08] <XceII> Remember: Peeople, Windows is closed sourse, Linus (is-not).
[08:09] <neville__> Windows is good when it's running inside a virtual machine, Wine can handle my games just fine, life is good
[08:10] <hypernewbie> erm
[08:10] <sky_> SatManUK are you back yet?
[08:10] <hypernewbie> is it a good idea to touch /proc/acpi stuff
[08:10] <NickPresta> Ayabara, before I give up on solutions, what happens when you run gnomad2 or mtp-detect as root?
[08:11] <hypernewbie> well, i'm gunna pray and hit the suspend button.
[08:11] <XceII> lol
[08:12] <sigma_kubuntu> prob not hypernewbie. just make sure your data is backed up
[08:12] <hypernewbie> yep.
[08:12] <hypernewbie> all backed up.
[08:13] <sigma_kubuntu> wel giv it a go
[08:13] <surgy> hi :)
[08:14] <sigma_kubuntu> helo surgy
[08:14] <XceII> Hibernating should (only) be set (once) all settings in a )total) sys has Been confirmed, Not as a push button to and for the (un) completed system...Think Smart.
[08:15] <Ayabara> NickPresta: the dump was from when I ran gnomad2 as root. running mtp-detect as root gives the same output from libmtp about an unknown device
[08:15] <surgy> anyone here good with electronics? i sure could use some help in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:16] <NickPresta> Ayabara, hm. Im out of ideas. Perhaps post your problem and output in the forums.
[08:17] <Ayabara> NickPresta: ok. thanks for helping out
[08:17] <sigma_kubuntu> ayabara: should hav goten a ipod
[08:17] <XceII> Off-topic is for coffee drinkers.
[08:18] <sigma_kubuntu> yes indeed it is
[08:19] <fgeyser> hi all
[08:19] <XceII> hi
[08:19] <XceII> state your problem
[08:19] <Ayabara> sigma_kubuntu: some might say :-)
[08:20] <fgeyser> im new to linux, how do i get new apps installed ?
[08:20] <sigma_kubuntu> does canonical still exist?
[08:20] <ardchoille> !repos | fgeyser
[08:20] <ubotu> fgeyser: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:20] <NickPresta> !adept | fgeyser
[08:20] <ubotu> fgeyser: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:20] <oneeyedelf1> how would I install opera on a 64bit kubuntu?
[08:21] <fgeyser> thanks
[08:21] <stdin> oneeyedelf1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser#head-8b233e94ad0c1adc2f768dd1dd7c403b6f8ddd75
[08:21] <fgeyser> what about running microsoft apps ?
[08:22] <XceII> Re-install 32 bit-increase your buss speed, and +33 on the mem...enjoy.
[08:22] <NickPresta> !wine > fgeyser
[08:24] <fgeyser> it was a mission to get bluetooth running, what about vodaphone 3g usb modem ?
[08:24] <GreatBritain> ok i rebooted but i can't get Quasar Admin to load
[08:24] <GreatBritain> so i can't create a database?
[08:26] <sky_> sigma_kubuntu: just FYI: the problem is gone. I simply remove my MSN account and added it again, and the entire contact list came back.
[08:26] <sky_> sigma_kubuntu: thanks for the help
[08:26] <sky_> SatManUK: you too.
[08:27] <sigma_kubuntu> thought that wud help as well!
[08:27] <SatManUK> sky_: your more than welcome :)
[08:27] <SatManUK> we all here to help each other :)
[08:27] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did it work?
[08:27] <XceII> Exactly.
[08:27] <SatManUK> i can't load quasar admin
[08:27] <sky_> yup. hopefully i'll be able to be answering questions instead of just asking.
[08:27] <sky_> gotta go now. ttul and thanks again.
[08:27] <SatManUK> well you can help the next person who gets stuck with kopete..
[08:28] <sky_> yup
[08:29] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: hmmm i neva had that problem
[08:29] <XceII> As A suggestion only, I suggest loading 32 bit versions till you get the hang of linux 1rst, Then load 64 bit so as to save time and problematic solvations....remember, This is only a suggestion.
[08:30] <SatManUK> im running it now
[08:30] <SatManUK> via console
[08:30] <sigma_kubuntu> thats a very good suggestion
[08:30] <SatManUK> something in the command line didn't work
[08:30] <SatManUK> gksudo?
[08:31] <sigma_kubuntu> oh yes satmanuk. the shortcut on da menu uses gksu. u must change it to sudo
[08:31] <SatManUK> now in understand :)
[08:31] <sigma_kubuntu> gksudo is gnome
[08:31] <SatManUK> is that for gnome users?
[08:31] <SatManUK> or something?
[08:32] <SatManUK> what uses gksudo?
[08:32] <tehm0nk> !raid
[08:32] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[08:32] <SatManUK> ok i created a new company
[08:32] <sigma_kubuntu> change gksudo to sudo
[08:33] <NickPresta> sigma_kubuntu, if it uses gksu, the kde equivalent would be kdesu
[08:33] <sigma_kubuntu> wel i gota run. hope it works 4u
[08:33] <SatManUK> aha
[08:33] <sigma_kubuntu> nick: sudo worked in its place 4me
[08:33] <stdin> use "kdesu"/"kdesudo" not "sudo"
[08:34] <SatManUK> i created to company
[08:34] <sigma_kubuntu> stdin: whats the difference?
[08:34] <stdin> !kdesu | this
[08:34] <ubotu> this: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[08:34] <oneeyedelf1> if you used dkpg to install a package, how do you uninstall it?
[08:34] <NickPresta> oneeyedelf1, dpkg -r PACKAGE
[08:35] <oneeyedelf1> thanks
[08:35] <stdin> oneeyedelf1: once it's installed you can remove it with apt-get or adept like any other package
[08:35] <oneeyedelf1> stdin: I don't find the package in adept
[08:35] <oneeyedelf1> or apt
[08:36] <stdin> you should do
[08:36] <stdin> apt just reads the dpkg database
[08:36] <SatManUK> when im trying to login its still saying the Quasar Server is not running?
[08:37] <fgeyser> i can see a app i want to install in add rem app, but it is greyed out. what does it mean ?
[08:37] <posingaspopular> in response to a virtual box error, I tried the following command with the following output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48417/ any ideas?
[08:37] <oneeyedelf1> well stdin apt didnt work put dpkg did
[08:37] <oneeyedelf1> I was using opera-static on an amd64 system
[08:38] <fgeyser> i can see a app i want to install in add rem app, but it is greyed out. what does it mean ?
[08:39] <XceII> 64?
[08:39] <SatManUK> i can connect to the DataBase via Quasar Admin
[08:39] <SatManUK> but i can't connect to it via Qausar itself suggestions?
[08:40] <XceII> Guys: Take that same question to google: Its there.
[08:41] <SatManUK> fgeyser: are you running a fresh install
[08:41] <SatManUK> have you enabled the internet sources ?
[08:41] <SatManUK> if you installed from cd without the internet active for me anyway i had to renable them to get access to them
[08:41] <fgeyser> yes updating at the  moment
[08:42] <fgeyser> enable the sources in adept ?
[08:45] <XceII> Time flies when logic prevails.
[08:46] <fgeyser> is it possible to use 3g modem on linux ?
[08:46] <XceII> Explain 3g.
[08:46] <fgeyser> vodaphone 3g usb modem
[08:47] <SatManUK> Xcell its mobile phone standard
[08:47] <XceII> Thinks.
[08:48] <SatManUK> analogue was 1g - digital 2g - 3g is tv on your mobile - faster connection - skype - sling etc..
[08:48] <XceII> ya skype
[08:48] <fgeyser> no HSDPA 3.8 mb/s
[08:48] <fgeyser> connection
[08:48] <SatManUK> hmm
[08:49] <SatManUK> dunno then..
[08:49] <fgeyser> how are you connecting to web ?
[08:50] <XceII> Wireles?
[08:50] <XceII> say no.
[08:51] <fgeyser> yes wireless but not wifi
[08:54] <fgeyser> Xcell: still there ?
[08:54] <XceII> I have no experience.
[08:54] <XceII> 2 new .
[08:54] <fgeyser> np
[08:55] <fgeyser> next question
[08:55] <fgeyser> how to install xp app
[08:55] <fgeyser> like skype ?
[08:55] <XceII> Thanks, someone either here , or, #ubuntu may have.
[08:55] <XceII> Skype is cool.
[08:56] <stdin> fgeyser: install the linux version of skype maybe?
[08:56] <fgeyser> where do i lay my hands on it ?
[08:56] <stdin> skype.com
[08:56] <SatManUK> from skype.com
[08:56] <stdin> !skype
[08:56] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:56] <XceII> as in (free) beer.
[08:56] <fgeyser> lol
[08:57] <fgeyser> thanks, stupid question
[08:57] <fgeyser> but so you learn
[08:57] <SatManUK> anybody wanna help me login to Quasar
[08:57] <tehm0nk> since i am installed fresh with no windows will kubuntu install grub correctly?
[08:57] <XceII> na  we all drink from the same info highway,
[08:57] <tehm0nk> or will i have trouble with it...?
[08:58] <SatManUK> yes
[08:58] <SatManUK> tehm0nk: what do you mean correctly?
[08:58] <tehm0nk> without much trouble setting it up?
[08:58] <SatManUK> are you dual booting in the wrong order?
[08:58] <tehm0nk> Yes sir i am
[08:58] <tehm0nk> lol
[08:58] <SatManUK> then your gonna fall..
[08:58] <tehm0nk> for now....
[08:58] <SatManUK> your singular booting for now
[08:58] <tehm0nk> i can't get winxp or anything to install
[08:59] <SatManUK> well grub should work
[08:59] <tehm0nk> i just want it to work
[08:59] <SatManUK> it should but three options
[08:59] <SatManUK> linux
[08:59] <SatManUK> linux failsafe
[08:59] <SatManUK> and linux memtest
[08:59] <tehm0nk> i partitioned off space for crapdows...
[08:59] <SatManUK> failsafe being recover mode
[08:59] <SatManUK> yes but when you install windozze it will wipe grub
[08:59] <SatManUK> you will loose your linux boot
[09:00] <tehm0nk> is that repairable?
[09:00] <SatManUK> ya
[09:00] <tehm0nk> with easybcd?
[09:00] <SatManUK> from said live cd you love so much - grub install should fix it
[09:00] <XceII> lol
[09:00] <tehm0nk> love so much
[09:00] <tehm0nk> No.
[09:00] <tehm0nk> :-P
[09:01] <XceII> I lov that guy.
[09:01] <tehm0nk> i just wanna run kubuntu at full speed
[09:01] <tehm0nk> grrrr
[09:01] <SatManUK> ok..
[09:01] <SatManUK> so install it then..
[09:01] <SatManUK> and forget windows totally
[09:01] <tehm0nk> it's at 90%
[09:02] <tehm0nk> well if i can't... run wow, update my htc titan
[09:02] <tehm0nk> or anythign i have to.
[09:02] <tehm0nk> *wants to buy a real raid card*
[09:02] <tehm0nk> ugh
[09:02] <tehm0nk> they're expensive too
[09:02] <tehm0nk> real raid card + 3 300gb sata2 drives in raid 5 would rock.
[09:03] <tehm0nk> of course
[09:03] <tehm0nk> linux would hate me cause i just know it would.
[09:03] <tehm0nk> do Any of you mess with beryl or compiz?
[09:03] <tehm0nk> i'd Really like to know how to get all the cool effects going....
[09:03] <Lynoure> no, Linux plays very nice with many real raid cards
[09:03] <tehm0nk> if this installs lol
[09:04] <tehm0nk> dude
[09:04] <tehm0nk> you dont know my luck with linux
[09:04] <XceII> Someone help him do it right, Thanks.
[09:04] <tehm0nk> XceII: are you volunteering?
[09:04] <tehm0nk> :-P
[09:04] <XceII> I stifle: I never had to.
[09:04] <Lynoure> XceII: If someone wants raid 5, and I help, it's usually paid-for gig for me.
[09:05] <tehm0nk> 94% and i'm wondering if it's gonna do more than that...
[09:05] <XceII> Well: I never paid cuz intelligent peole are nice.
[09:05] <tehm0nk> See there is that my luck thing again
[09:05] <Lynoure> So I guess that rules me out of somebodys here.
[09:06] <wietse> tehm0nk: just bang it on there, if something's up, there are more than enough people happy to help you sort it out, but try yourself first
[09:06] <tehm0nk> wietse: really?
[09:06] <Lynoure> XceII: even the intelligent nice people need to pay rent/morgage, unfortunately just volunteering rarely pays for those
[09:07] <XceII> Remember: Intelligent (linux) people got U here:, Pass it on.
[09:07] <wietse> yes of course, thats why we're all here
[09:07] <tehm0nk> ok out of the 8+ times today trying to install kubuntu...
[09:07] <tehm0nk> it has Never stalled where it did right now @ 94% Configuring Hardware
[09:07] <XceII> And Donate!
[09:07] <XceII> It pays.
[09:08] <tehm0nk> ok grub failed like normal i guess
[09:08] <XceII> It's the right thing 2 do.
[09:08] <wietse> right
[09:08] <wietse> so the last time you tried it stalled at 94%?
[09:09] <XceII> Nuff Said: Help the man out.
[09:09] <tehm0nk> no
[09:09] <tehm0nk> ok
[09:10] <tehm0nk> it completed right now.... but it never lagged that long at 94%
[09:10] <tehm0nk> it was minutes
[09:10] <tehm0nk> cd wasn't spinning or anything
[09:10] <tehm0nk> anyways let me try to go by the walkthrough for raid some more
[09:10] <tehm0nk> if i run into hell and catch on fire
[09:11] <tehm0nk> i'll see if any of yall have an extinguisher...
[09:11] <XceII> lol..re-boot and start again.'
[09:11] <XceII> check bios.
[09:11] <tehm0nk> ?
[09:12] <Lynoure> There is so much tehmonk in the logs that it's really hard to see what kind of raid he is trying to set up (I can only see the hw raid 5 he dreams of)...
[09:12] <tehm0nk> Stripe
[09:12] <XceII> exactly Lynoure
[09:12] <tehm0nk> 2 older sata1
[09:12] <tehm0nk> hey what can i say i'm a boon
[09:13] <fgeyser> thanks fo all the help igttg
[09:13] <nct> hello, can I report bugs about KDE 4 RC 2 packages to the kubuntu bug tracker ?
[09:13] <tehm0nk> off the install topic but just wondering, konquerer seems to have connection issues that i've never gotten in windows...
[09:13] <stdin> nct: what's the problem?
[09:13] <XceII> email...Iamtiredofkdebugs@welisten.isp
[09:14] <tehm0nk> and when i put firefox on here didn't have them either
[09:14] <nct> here, RC2 packages slightly broke KDE3: when I type ALT+F2, then an internet address, konqueror opens with no address and i got a dialog asking which application I want to use to open text/html-kde4
[09:14] <nct> while being in KDE3
[09:15] <nct> it looks like the mime types are a bit mixed-up
[09:15] <nct> I've followed the instructions on kubuntu.org
[09:17] <tehm0nk> the walkthrough on raid i'm using doesn't note it, so i'm asking, but since i made a partition for /boot will i have to install grub any differantly?
[09:17] <stdin> nct: you can report the bug against kdebase-kde4 and we'll have a look
[09:17] <nct> ok, thank you
[09:19] <sigma_> hey all - i got both my tv outs working finally!! one on my ati radeon mobility 9000 with a dell d600 laptop and the other on my nvidia card, let me know if anyone wants to know how
[09:19] <tehm0nk> what i mean is will the command : "cp /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/* /boot/grub" copy them to the right directory (this maybe be a really stupid question)
[09:21] <tehm0nk> oh my .....
[09:21] <tehm0nk> !paste
[09:21] <sigma_> that means only two things left on my to-do list, activesync and sharing the internet connection (not so important)
[09:21] <tehm0nk> argh
[09:21] <tehm0nk> what is that?
[09:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:22] <nct> stdin, the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-kde4/+bug/176681, thank you :-)
[09:22] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48418/
[09:25] <tehm0nk> ok now i'm freaking out
[09:26] <jpatrick> !raid
[09:26] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[09:27] <tehm0nk> jpatrick: thank you for the obvious i'm sorta using that already...
[09:27] <jpatrick> tehm0nk: opps, sorry
[09:27]  * jpatrick no experience with raid
[09:29] <lingard> how do i add a user with remote access?
[09:30] <stdin> nct: ok I've found what caused that and the good news is I've already uploaded the fix, the bad news is that it'll be a while before it'll be available on i386 as the PPA build system has been locked up by language pack builds
[09:30] <stdin> nct: should be a couple hours at a guess
[09:33] <nct> stdin: ok, that's not a big problem, I just have to patch my brain to add konqueror before addresses in alt+f2, anyway thank you for the efficient reactivity :-)
[09:34] <tehm0nk> ok i think i got it
[09:34] <tehm0nk> :-D
[09:34] <tehm0nk> gonna try to reboot
[09:38] <blekos> hello, i would like help with the sharing permissions. I have installed samba and now I can enable simple sharing with samba. But what does this mean? What is NFS, and how i can install it?
[09:39] <tehm0nk> Success.
[09:39] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[09:39] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:40] <hypernewbie> do u need xserver-xgl for compiz?
[09:40] <tehm0nk> no idea what that is
[09:40] <tehm0nk> i jsut wanna set it up?
[09:41] <hypernewbie> well i tried to get all compis-settings-mgr and compis-kde
[09:41] <tehm0nk> i dont like the #ubuntu channel so i went with kubuntu but blame youtube's video about ubuntu beryl for me wanting to try this stuff
[09:41] <hypernewbie> then went to settings manager aand the settings did nothing
[09:42] <hypernewbie> then typed compiz in console and got nothing
[09:42] <Ayabara> NickPresta: found a note on libmtp saying that 0.2.1 does not support my zen. just thought I'd let you know
[09:42] <hypernewbie> well i got some error on no xgl
[09:42] <SatManUK> tehm0nk: you managed to reboot of your hd or cd again?
[09:43] <SatManUK> tehm0nk: i prefer kde interface to gnome..
[09:43] <SatManUK> especially gnome / ubuntu it looks to macos for me..
[09:43] <misslissa> is it possible to play games from Pogo in Kubuntu 7.10
[09:44] <tehm0nk> SatManUK: the disk is out for the first time and i think i already messed something up
[09:44] <tehm0nk> :(
[09:44] <misslissa> I have java installed and it keeps telling me that it is unabled
[09:44] <misslissa> and its not
[09:44] <SatManUK> whats the problem?
[09:44] <tehm0nk> i ran the ubuntu command off that page instead of the kubuntu one
[09:44] <tehm0nk> for compiz
[09:44] <misslissa> I dont know why pogo is not detecting that java is installed
[09:44] <misslissa> pogo is a game web site
[09:44] <SatManUK> oh i dunno nothing about compiz
[09:44] <misslissa> I like to play texas holdem
[09:45] <SatManUK> i dunno even what it is..
[09:45] <misslissa> I want to switch totally to kubuntu but keep running into trouble
[09:45] <misslissa> to where i want to go back to easy windows
[09:45] <SatManUK> misslissa: what exactly are you having problems with
[09:46] <SatManUK> did you install sun java 6 web start?
[09:46] <oobe> i find kubuntu to be more stable if installed from a kubuntu cd rather than using apt sources
[09:46] <misslissa> yes I did
[09:46] <SatManUK> are you using konqueror or firefox?
[09:46] <misslissa> and I went on javas home page and verified that it installed correctly
[09:46] <misslissa> but every time I click on a game it tells me I need to install or enable java
[09:47] <misslissa> well its installed and enabled
[09:47] <misslissa> wondering if its compatible
[09:47] <misslissa> and if its possible to make it compatible
[09:47] <misslissa> I am using firefox
[09:47] <oobe> misslissa, can you give me the link
[09:47] <misslissa> i tried konqueror and it didnt work either
[09:47] <misslissa> yes
[09:47] <misslissa> www.pogo.com
[09:47] <misslissa> and just click on one of the free games
[09:47] <misslissa> it will tell you to install java
[09:47] <misslissa> :)
[09:48] <SatManUK> you have installed the firefox java plugins i guess..
[09:48] <misslissa> I even tried downloading ie6 for linux
[09:48] <misslissa> didnt work
[09:48] <misslissa> yes i did
[09:50] <SatManUK> i guess that works for me..
[09:50] <misslissa> It worked for you
[09:50] <SatManUK> but i have sun java 6 - 5 - ice java
[09:50] <misslissa> do you have a link for that
[09:50] <SatManUK> sun java 1.4
[09:50] <misslissa> no link
[09:50] <SatManUK> they should be in the package list
[09:51] <SatManUK> one sec
[09:51] <misslissa> thanks
[09:51] <misslissa> very much
[09:51] <oobe> misslissa, that works for me
[09:51] <oobe> i have sun-java6-jre installed
[09:51] <misslissa> hummmm
[09:52] <misslissa> well how do i make sure that java is enabled
[09:52] <SatManUK> i have sun-java-6
[09:52] <SatManUK> i have sun-java-5
[09:52] <oobe> try sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[09:53] <SatManUK> IcedTea  Java Web Start 1.4
[09:53] <tehm0nk> what is the desktop cube?
[09:53] <lingard> how do i install a file that ends .pl?
[09:53] <misslissa> oh my god
[09:53] <misslissa> desktop cube is the shiznit
[09:53] <misslissa> I love the graphics
[09:53] <misslissa> its a 3d cube that you can move by pressing alt+ctr
[09:53] <Cugel> lingard that's a perl file. So perl file.pl
[09:53] <SatManUK> lingard pearl filename.pl
[09:53] <SatManUK> ie pearl setup.pl
[09:54] <lingard> ok :)
[09:54] <tehm0nk> misslissa: it wont work for me?
[09:54] <Cugel> satman: PERL
[09:54] <SatManUK> sp..
[09:54] <misslissa> what is ice java
[09:54] <misslissa> ??
[09:55] <misslissa> SatManUK
[09:56] <oobe> misslissa, did you try sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[09:56] <SatManUK> icedtea-java7-jre
[09:56] <SatManUK> icedtea-java7-plugin
[09:57] <lingard> i get:
[09:57] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/bin
[09:57] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/doc
[09:57] <tehm0nk> this sounds stupid but how do i load a theme in emerald manager?
[09:57] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/etc
[09:57] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/installer
[09:57] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/lib
[09:57] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/man
[09:57] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/sbin
[09:57] <jpatrick> !paste | lingard
[09:57] <ubotu> lingard: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:57] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/system_etc
[09:58] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/usr
[09:58] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/vmware-vix
[09:58] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/FILES
[09:58] <lingard> file:///home/mark/vmware-distrib/vmware-install.pl
[09:58] <lingard> sorry
[09:58] <lingard> what i meant to paste was Can't open perl script "vmware-install.pl": No such file or directory
[09:59] <SatManUK> misslissa: sudo apt-get install icedtea-java7-jre
[09:59] <blekos> hello i've installed samba to enable file sharing, does this mean every time I start my pc/ session samba service will start as default?
[09:59] <bsander> blekos: yes
[10:00] <misslissa> how do you make sure its enabled
[10:00] <blekos> is this a threat to my system?
[10:00] <misslissa> or does it enable its self
[10:00] <oobe> about:plugins
[10:00] <blekos> cant I just choose when to be started? That is to be disabled by default and if need to start it manually
[10:01] <blekos> ??
[10:01] <misslissa> are you using firefox with it
[10:01] <bsander> blekos: it shouldn't be a threat, but yes you can disable it from starting up automatically
[10:01] <misslissa> i downloaded it about to try it
[10:01] <bsander> its in system settings -> advanced -> startup services
[10:05] <lingard> is there a document that advises on how to install downloaded files? all the ones i seem to find so far overly complicate things
[10:05] <jpatrick> lingard: is what you need not in the repos?
[10:05] <lingard> its vmware
[10:05] <blekos> ok, i founded under System Services. So if i disabled from here, when I needed i can just change status to run or should i restart?
[10:05] <jpatrick> ah
[10:05] <lingard> i can't find it in synaptic
[10:06] <lingard> so i downloaded the file
[10:06] <lingard> now i don't have a clue how to install it
[10:07] <jpatrick> !vmware | lingard
[10:07] <ubotu> lingard: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[10:08] <tehm0nk> what is the dual monitor link?
[10:10] <Ayabara> I have compiled libmtp 0.2.4 from source, and now I get an error saying "mtp-detect: error while loading shared libraries: libmtp.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when I run it. The file is in /usr/local/lib, so I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to that, but it still doesn't work. Any ideas? Do I have to restart some service for the new path to be used?
[10:10] <jpatrick> Ayabara: compile with: ./configure --prefix=/use
[10:10] <jpatrick> Ayabara: compile with: ./configure --prefix=/usr*
[10:10] <jpatrick> but without the '*'
[10:12] <Ayabara> jpatrick: you're a lifesaver. thanks ;-)
[10:12] <jpatrick> Ayabara: just always remember --prefix=/usr ;)
[10:13] <Ayabara> jpatrick: I can at least promise to try to remember
[10:15] <ubuntu> ciao a tutti
[10:15] <Ayabara> if I have compiled a new version of libmtp, will apps like amarok and gnomad use that version, or do I have to recompile those as well?
[10:16] <ubuntu> qualcuno parla italiano?
[10:16] <jpatrick> !it | ubuntu
[10:16] <ubotu> ubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:16] <ubuntu> grazie 1000
[10:16] <XceII> Ubuntu: Why do you always do that?
[10:17] <Ayabara> cause now mtp-detect seems to detect my zen, but the apps I have will not connect to it.
[10:17] <lingard> jpatrick: have you ever used that easyvmx?
[10:18] <jpatrick> Ayabara: yeah, I think they will have to, we have all kinds of transitions with package rebuilds
[10:18] <jpatrick> lingard: no
[10:18] <lingard> :(
[10:18] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ok now i know i broke it...
[10:18] <lingard> it says double click ... when its been extracted to run the vm
[10:18] <lingard> though when i do it opens in kate
[10:19] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i tried to reboot and it hangs on or after "Running Local Boot Scripts (/etc/rc.local)"
[10:19] <lingard> whats going wrong?
[10:19] <hypernewbie> wohoho trippy
[10:19] <hypernewbie> i just installed xgl and it took over 100% cpu and my comp was crawling
[10:19] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i say after cause it says [OK]
[10:20] <Ayabara> jpatrick: now that I have built libmtp 0.2.4 on my system, will amarok and gnomad2 use that version if I compile them as well? do they refer only to the binaries on my system?
[10:20] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i installed the nvidia drivers and the nvidia-xconfig, and compiz stuf
[10:20] <hypernewbie> i have an ati
[10:20] <jpatrick> Ayabara: rebuild them I meant
[10:20] <XceII> tehm0nk-otherpc:  I want to say: sudo touch /forcefsck    but that may be put things back to the begining.
[10:20] <hypernewbie> and it said using fglrx drivers
[10:21] <jpatrick> !compiz | hypernewbie
[10:21] <ubotu> hypernewbie: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:21] <hypernewbie> jpatrick: yeah those are the instructions i followed
[10:21] <hypernewbie> jpatrick: it worked fine, just at 0.1 frames/sec
[10:22] <jpatrick> hypernewbie: do you have compiz running?
[10:22] <hypernewbie> jpatrick: not now, i apt-get removed it
[10:22] <hypernewbie> jpatrick: xgl too
[10:22] <tehm0nk-otherpc> XceII can i do that in recovery mode?
[10:22] <jpatrick> hypernewbie: did you do 'compiz --replace'
[10:22] <hypernewbie> jpatrick: yeah, i wasnt compiz that was the prob, it was xgl
[10:22] <XceII> Not sure..I wouldnt suggest that.. If it were me I would do that and start over.
[10:22] <hypernewbie> jpatrick: compiz --replace ran fine, at a very low framerate
[10:23] <blekos> for a windows pc to see me usb hd attached to my linux pc do I need samba or nfs?
[10:23] <XceII> opinion
[10:23] <blekos> or nothing?
[10:23] <jpatrick> hypernewbie: xgl ate my memory when I didn't have compiz running
[10:23] <hypernewbie> jpatrick: heh
[10:23] <tehm0nk-otherpc> is there a way i can uninstall compiz and the nvidia stuff from recoverymode?
[10:23] <level1> hi, xorg is going nuts on my computer
[10:23] <hypernewbie> yes
[10:23] <hypernewbie> u dont even need recov mode
[10:23] <hypernewbie> ctrl+alt f2
[10:24] <level1> its like the volume down button is being pressed over and over again causing everything to jam up.  all myi modifier keys get canceled, so i can't shift
[10:24] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i can't boot into normal mode as i said
[10:24] <hypernewbie> oh
[10:24] <tehm0nk-otherpc> :-P
[10:24] <hypernewbie> :P
[10:24] <tehm0nk-otherpc> so how do i do it in recoverymode?
[10:24] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i think something i did with one of those
[10:24] <hypernewbie> apt-get remove stuff
[10:25] <hypernewbie> or if u changed and config files, revert them
[10:25] <tehm0nk-otherpc> can i apt-get list or something to see installed apps?
[10:25] <hypernewbie> yeah
[10:25] <hypernewbie> dpkg -l
[10:25] <hypernewbie> thats a l for lambda
[10:25] <XceII> tehm0nk-otherpc:  try sudo touch /forcefsck   thats as far as I can go..it cleans incomplete files and puts sys into safe mode..it all depends on how far you failed things up..
[10:26] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: listen to Xcell, prolly knows more than me
[10:26] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i tried that in recovery
[10:26] <tehm0nk-otherpc> just reboot after that?
[10:26] <XceII> when x fails..when boot is complete
[10:27] <XceII>  ctrl+alt=backspace................after re-boot
[10:27] <risto> how to add Kate auto-completiton ?
[10:28] <risto> php
[10:28] <XceII> let the sys do its thing..dont exasperate it..let it do its thing 1rst
[10:29] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ok it checked the file systems
[10:29] <XceII> what happened
[10:29] <tehm0nk-otherpc> and hung up like before
[10:29] <XceII> did U re boot that fast?
[10:29] <jpatrick> risto: kate -> settings -> plugins and it's there
[10:29] <tehm0nk-otherpc> "Running Local Boot Scripts (/etc/rc.local)"
[10:30] <tehm0nk-otherpc> yeah?
[10:30] <paolo> Hi everybody :)
[10:30] <XceII> k
[10:31] <paolo> i've got an arch generic on kubuntu 7.04, i can move to 64 bit upgrading the kernel ??
[10:31] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: did u remove quiet and splash from the bootloader so it gives heaps of output?
[10:31] <XceII> hahahahaha..no.
[10:31] <paolo> i've got an 64bit processor
[10:31] <paolo> mmm damn
[10:31] <tehm0nk-otherpc> hypernewbie no?
[10:32] <paolo> yes i am a newbie
[10:32] <XceII> we all are..Relax.
[10:32] <hypernewbie> lol
[10:32] <tehm0nk-otherpc> haha should i just reinstall again?
[10:32] <tehm0nk-otherpc> :-x
[10:32] <paolo> ahahah
[10:32] <neville> You need AMD64 version of Kubuntu
[10:32] <paolo> ok so i need to download an 64 bit distro
[10:32] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: hey, is this the thing: u instaled compiz and stuff, did the nvidia stuff
[10:33] <paolo> thank you
[10:33] <XceII> People: All the tools work differently, Per Application: It is up to the applicator to differentiate those tools with (shared) experience that allows group experience...Work together
[10:33] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: now it doesnt work, it hangs on boot
[10:33] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: right?
[10:33] <tehm0nk-otherpc> yeah
[10:33] <paolo> C ya BYE !! thank u so much
[10:33] <XceII> k
[10:33] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: do u use grub?
[10:33] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: and does recover mode run?
[10:33] <tehm0nk-otherpc> it runs the local boot scripts and then stops
[10:33] <tehm0nk-otherpc> yes it runs
[10:34] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: grub?
[10:34] <tehm0nk-otherpc> that is where i typed the deal XceII told me to do
[10:34] <tehm0nk-otherpc> yes to grub
[10:34] <XceII> I never told u grub.
[10:34] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:35] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: then down the bottom, carefully find the menu item
[10:35] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc u should see some load of junk followed by quite splash
[10:35] <hypernewbie> quiet splash*
[10:35] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: remove quiet and splash, save, reboot
[10:35] <prxq> Hi. If I install the kernel sources and compile them, I obtain a kernel with the version 2.6.22.9, whereas the installed one is 2.6.22-14. How can I make sure the right sources are installed? (and - why aren't they installed by default)?
[10:36] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: now it'll give u lots and lots of output while booting so u can see whats wrong
[10:37] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ok rebooting to see what it does
[10:37] <hypernewbie> and pray u havent mucked up editing :P
[10:37] <XceII> lol
[10:37] <XceII> dont say that
[10:38] <hypernewbie> oh, i mean...muck up editing bootloader scripts? what kind of idiot does that?
[10:38] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol
[10:38] <tehm0nk-otherpc> uh
[10:38] <tehm0nk-otherpc> it told me the exact same thing.
[10:38] <tehm0nk-otherpc> :-x
[10:38] <hypernewbie> :(
[10:39] <tehm0nk-otherpc> what is in the "local boot scripts"
[10:39] <tehm0nk-otherpc>  in /etv/rc.local
[10:39] <tehm0nk-otherpc> */ect/rc.local
[10:40] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: no idea, prolly trying to do something stupid
[10:40] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: i have no ide ahow nvidia-config works
[10:40] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: nvidia-xconfig*
[10:41] <tehm0nk-otherpc> when i list the installed things... is there a way to see page by page?
[10:41] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: but u can try sudo apt-get remove compiz compiz-settings-manager
[10:41] <tehm0nk-otherpc> like dos?
[10:41] <hypernewbie> yeah
[10:41] <hypernewbie> | more
[10:41] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ?
[10:41] <hypernewbie> whatever_command | more
[10:42] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ok
[10:43] <XceII> ssudo apt-get remove ./bill gates
[10:43] <tehm0nk-otherpc> can i search for specific names?
[10:44] <hypernewbie> | grep something
[10:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> like dpkg -l nvidia
[10:44] <hypernewbie> some_command | grep something
[10:44] <hypernewbie> or what
[10:44] <hypernewbie> or that*
[10:44] <hypernewbie> wait
[10:44] <hypernewbie> no
[10:44] <hypernewbie> | grep :P
[10:47] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ok
[10:47] <XceII> Have a good day folks,Work together. Thanks.
[10:47] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i removed the nvidia stuff and compiz
[10:47] <hypernewbie> pray and reboot
[10:47] <hypernewbie> wait...noonon
[10:48] <hypernewbie> dont remove nvidia-xconfig, that'll kill ur display driver configurer
[10:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> uh lol
[10:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> woops
[10:48] <hypernewbie> :P
[10:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i'm tellin you i better just start over lol
[10:49] <hypernewbie> ur choice
[10:49] <hypernewbie> on that
[10:49] <hypernewbie> going the microsoft windows way, "bah reinstall"
[10:49] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol well :-x
[10:50] <hypernewbie> good luck either way though
[10:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> maybe i should sudo nano /ect/rc.local
[10:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ?
[10:50] <hypernewbie> that wont tell u much
[10:50] <hypernewbie> i think
[10:50] <hypernewbie> although
[10:50] <hypernewbie> u can just try reboot
[10:50] <hackstacy> hey selam kako is
[10:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> dont leave me lol
[10:50] <hypernewbie> see if it boots wirhout nvidia-xonfig
[10:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i've been trying lol
[10:50] <hypernewbie> without*
[10:50] <hypernewbie> did it boot
[10:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> no
[10:51] <hypernewbie> if it didnt boot then ur in for some trouble
[10:51] <hypernewbie> :(
[10:51] <tehm0nk-otherpc> now i'm back in recovery
[10:51] <hypernewbie> well it prob outta my knowledge
[10:51] <tehm0nk-otherpc> it failed where it did before
[10:51] <hypernewbie> :(
[10:51] <eliteshadow> hi
[10:51] <hackstacy> aha eto te
[10:51] <eliteshadow> haha
[10:51] <hackstacy> slusaj ovo je kubuntu IRC chennel
[10:51] <hypernewbie> wtf?????
[10:51] <eliteshadow> evo me
[10:51] <eliteshadow> sta ima
[10:51] <hypernewbie> i just found that rc.local is 1 line
[10:51] <hackstacy> tako ako imas neka pitanja ovdje
[10:51] <hypernewbie> exit 0
[10:52] <hypernewbie> thats wierd
[10:52] <jussi01> eliteshadow: english in here please
[10:52] <hackstacy> dodzes and ljudi ce ti odgovorit
[10:52] <eliteshadow> aha dobro
[10:52] <stdin> !en | hackstacy, eliteshadow
[10:52] <ubotu> hackstacy, eliteshadow: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[10:52] <hackstacy> is this the only kubuntu channel
[10:52] <hypernewbie> try a sudo startx in recov and see what happens
[10:52] <eliteshadow> idem sada spavati sellam
[10:52] <jussi01> hackstacy: what language you need?
[10:53] <hackstacy> well english is good actually
[10:53] <hackstacy> i was just wondering if this is the only channel and does ubuntu has its own
[10:53] <jussi01> hackstacy: :) there are many local channels
[10:53] <jussi01> hackstacy: #ubuntu for ubuntu
[10:53] <stdin> there is #ubuntu and several language channels
[10:54] <hackstacy> so i should just do #join ubuntu
[10:54] <hackstacy> to get into ubuntu
[10:54] <tehm0nk-otherpc> o0o an error msg
[10:54] <hypernewbie> m hmm
[10:54] <hypernewbie> i like error msgs
[10:54] <jussi01>  do: /join #ubuntu
[10:54] <tehm0nk-otherpc> Fatal Server Error:
[10:54] <hackstacy> yea i knew thats how it goes
[10:54] <hypernewbie> m hmm
[10:54] <tehm0nk-otherpc> Caught Signal 11. Server aboting
[10:54] <hypernewbie> ...
[10:54] <hypernewbie> i'd take the reinstall path
[10:54] <hypernewbie> ur xservers gone nuts
[10:55] <hypernewbie> its not the rc.local script
[10:55] <SatManUK> my internet just stopped..
[10:55] <SatManUK> only irc working..
[10:55] <tehm0nk-otherpc> XIO: fatal IO Error 104 (connection reset by peer) on x Server ":0.0"
[10:55] <Ayabara> NickPresta: and with the latest version of libmtp and recompiled amarok, it works :-)
[10:55] <hypernewbie> O.O
[10:56] <hackstacy> I have a question tho, when i start x and get the login prompt to login into the KDE my screen becomes blank and thne i have to move the mouse to get it back ?
[10:56] <hypernewbie> try sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[10:56] <SatManUK> brb i need to reboot internet
[10:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[10:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol
[10:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> nice huh
[10:56] <hypernewbie> huh?
[10:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> this is what happened to me with suse a long time ago
[10:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> clicked osmething stupid or something
[10:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> rebooted and X died.
[10:57] <hypernewbie> yeah, linux = shoot urself in the foot easy
[10:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> so there is nothing to be done to fix X?
[10:58] <hypernewbie> windows users wil never understand the power sudo rm -r *
[10:58] <hypernewbie> try sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[10:59] <hypernewbie> i derno if that helps in any crazy way
[10:59] <hypernewbie> someone that knows mroe about xserver should take over -.-
[10:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> wasn't installed?
[10:59] <arnaud__> hi
[10:59] <hypernewbie> ...
[10:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol
[10:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> so i attempted to install it?
[11:00] <hypernewbie> no...
[11:00] <hypernewbie> i derno now
[11:00] <hypernewbie> but yeah, ur x server died
[11:00] <hypernewbie> i think
[11:01] <tehm0nk-otherpc> reboots in kubunto live
[11:01] <tehm0nk-otherpc> again
[11:01] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol
[11:01] <hypernewbie> lol
[11:02] <hypernewbie> although i think what went wrong
[11:02] <hackstacy> hey why does it say ones ip address when they sign in how secure is that?
[11:02] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: did u do the /etc/apt/sources.list thing?
[11:02] <hackstacy> and@78-57-17-187.ip.zebra.lt
[11:02] <hackstacy> ????
[11:02] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: cause u dont need to do it if ur on gutsy
[11:03] <tehm0nk-otherpc> probably?
[11:03] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: and if u did u prolly got some outdated packages
[11:03] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i dont know
[11:03] <hypernewbie> tehm0nk-otherpc: and outdated packages  = evil
[11:03] <tehm0nk-otherpc> what do you mean by that
[11:03] <gh> curious, I recently installed the restricted nvidia drivers, however, my chip is in the legacy driver not the latest that kubuntu installed. so all i have is a white screen when kdm launches. any ideas on method to at least get it back to using the nv driver?
[11:03] <tehm0nk-otherpc> do did i do that when?
[11:03] <hypernewbie> well in the thing, it tells u to do
[11:03] <hypernewbie> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main universe
[11:03] <hypernewbie> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main universe
[11:03] <hypernewbie> thats for feisty, which is old
[11:03] <tehm0nk-otherpc> Nooo i didnt do that
[11:03] <hypernewbie> relatively
[11:04] <hypernewbie> oh ok
[11:04] <hackstacy> people are being ignored here i belive lol
[11:04] <hypernewbie> then i derno what went wrong
[11:04] <tehm0nk-otherpc> but i did run the command for ubuntu?
[11:04] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then i ran the one for kubuntu
[11:04] <bsander> gh: you can edit /etx/X11/xorg.conf and replace every instance of "nvidia" with "nv"
[11:04] <bsander> or alternatively run sudo spkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:04] <tehm0nk-otherpc> well i'll be almost done installing in a minute :-x
[11:04] <tehm0nk-otherpc> brb on the other box...
[11:04] <bsander> which will take you through a wizard and sets up a new xorg.conf for you
[11:04] <hypernewbie> hahaha
[11:05] <hypernewbie> all that time spent, and a reinstall is just 5 mins away!
[11:05] <bsander> 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' i mean
[11:05] <bazhang> hackstacy plenty secure
[11:06] <gh> bsander, thank you very much. any history with installing the legacy driver?
[11:07] <bsander> nope sorry, i have a recent one :)
[11:10] <gh> hehe =[
[11:10] <Migs-se> hello
[11:10] <hypernewbie> heh, i should submit a bug for knetworkmanager
[11:11] <Migs-se> does anyone have any experience with LinuxMCE?
[11:11] <hypernewbie> when u click manual configuration, you're in manual configuration for good until u clean the config file
[11:11] <jussi01> Migs-se: is that a distro? or a program?
[11:11] <bsander> Migs-se: yes, and it wasn't pretty :(
[11:11] <bsander> that stuff is evil
[11:11] <Migs-se> I think it's a add on distro?
[11:12] <bsander> i installed it and it went changing my hostname and network connections and stuff like that
[11:12] <Migs-se> installed Kubuntu 7.04 then installed the 2 cd installation ontop of Kubuntu
[11:12] <jussi01> Migs-se: if you are looking for a media centre pc I reccomend looking at mythbuntu
[11:12] <bsander> really nasty stuff, i actually got so sick of working around the stuff it created that I decided to do a reinstall instead of an upgrade when Gutsy came out..
[11:13] <Migs-se> I see
[11:13] <Migs-se> well, I have a odd problem, since I was trying to get the correct Ati drivers for the TV-out to work
[11:13] <Migs-se> at the moment it is looping the following...
[11:13] <Migs-se> Starting up...
[11:13] <Migs-se> Loading, please wait...
[11:13] <Migs-se> mdadm: no devices listed in conf file were found.
[11:13] <Migs-se> kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/disk/by-uuid/694214d0-f2bc-42d0-86d8-6ef6a354193c) - hdc5(22,5)
[11:14] <Migs-se> kinit: trying to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/694214d0-f2bc-42d0-86d8-6ef6a354193c
[11:14] <Migs-se> kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot...
[11:14] <Migs-se> Ubuntu 7.04 dcerouter tty1
[11:14] <Migs-se> dcerouter login:
[11:14] <Migs-se> the screen then changes to...
[11:14] <Migs-se> Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:00:25 +0200 RECV:
[11:14] <Migs-se> Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:00:25 +0200 Helper Script End
[11:14] <Migs-se> and it loops from there
[11:15] <Migs-se> usually, LinuxMCE fills in the details to contonue, but it's not doing that now
[11:15] <jussi01> !paste | Migs-se
[11:15] <ubotu> Migs-se: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:15] <Migs-se> what I did was follow this guide to install the Ati driver: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Configuring
[11:15] <Migs-se> which resulted in the problem I have now
[11:15] <jussi01> Migs-se: please remember to use the pastebin!
[11:16] <bazhang> Migs-se: you want might to look at geexbox
[11:16] <Migs-se> I've tryed, can't get the remote working
[11:16] <Migs-se> but TV-Out works great
[11:17] <SatManUK> guys how do i make a folder accessable to apache
[11:17] <SatManUK> so like i can do /phpmyadmin and /phpsql-ledger
[11:17] <SatManUK> I wanna run /nolapro
[11:17] <hypernewbie> SatManUK: copy it into the public_html or wheever u set that to?
[11:18] <Migs-se> *it's
[11:33] <tehm0nk> tadaa
[11:33] <tehm0nk> lol
[11:33] <tehm0nk> installing updates...
[11:33] <tehm0nk> hopefully they dont gank this nice thing away again
[11:33] <tehm0nk> weird...
[11:33] <tehm0nk> it says a new distro is available?
[11:33] <tehm0nk> but i just dl'd this?
[11:34] <thomas_> what version are you useing atm tehm0nk?
[11:35] <tehm0nk> supposed to be 7.1?
[11:35] <vzduch> 7.10, you mean..
[11:35] <tehm0nk> yeah
[11:36] <tehm0nk> but it said there was a version update lol
[11:36] <SatManUK> what do i edit if i want to put it in the same location as phpmyadmin ie /var/lib/
[11:37] <SatManUK> nolapro
[11:41] <ahnkle> i have a box running dapper, and i am looking to update it to gutsy. can i do this by a distro-update?
[11:41] <jpatrick> ahnkle:
[11:41] <jpatrick> no
[11:41] <jpatrick> !upgrade
[11:41] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:42] <vzduch> ahnkle: if you care about a long-life-capable system you should wait another half year for Hardy anyway
[11:43] <ahnkle> so i need to fully update in steps to the next release?
[11:44] <bazhang> yup
[11:44] <ahnkle> ok - thanks peeps
[11:45] <jpatrick> ahnkle: there is a dapper -> hardy thing planned, but I don't know much about it
[11:45] <SatManUK> ok im making progress i moved the program to /var/www and it works
[11:46] <SatManUK> but i have some issues it needs resolving
[11:46] <SatManUK> gd - needed for creating dynamic charts
[11:46] <SatManUK>  
[11:46] <SatManUK> Please add this extension to your PHP installation. Either recompile with gd support or uncomment the ;extension= line in your php.ini file for gd.
[11:46] <SatManUK> where do i find the php.ini file?
[11:46] <MooseMorals> SatMan, try the command "locate php.ini"
[11:47] <jpatrick> SatManUK: /etc/php5/apache2
[11:47] <jpatrick> !es | usuario
[11:47] <ubotu> usuario: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[11:51] <vzduch> jpatrick: someone bearing a Spanish nickname doesn't automatically imply he/she is going to molest us w/ Spanish :P
[11:51] <jpatrick> vzduch: better safe than sorry :p
[11:54] <SatManUK> how to install curl support into php.ini
[11:54] <SatManUK> i have installed curl
[11:59] <Cugel> People: I use Compiz. When I run xsnow (the simple snow thing we all like) the flakes and everything leave trails, so it doesn't work. Any ideas how to solve that?
[12:02] <Paddy_EIRE> hey guys, do you know if the suse kde menu is in the ubuntu repos
[12:02] <jpatrick> Paddy_EIRE: you mean kickoff?
[12:02] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah thats it :)
[12:02] <jpatrick> no
[12:03] <jpatrick> it's a massive patch against kdelibs
[12:03] <Paddy_EIRE> oh.. I must search about for it
[12:03] <Paddy_EIRE> oh
[12:03] <SatManUK> jpatrick: do you know anything about installing gd or curl into php?
[12:03] <jpatrick> SatManUK: no
[12:03] <SatManUK> ok
[12:03] <SatManUK> thanks anyway
[12:04] <jpatrick> SatManUK: is installing php5-curl not enough?
[12:04] <Paddy_EIRE> jpatrick, this looks like it should help me out
[12:04] <Paddy_EIRE> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616480&highlight=kickoff
[12:06] <jpatrick> Paddy_EIRE: interesting
[12:06] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[12:07] <Paddy_EIRE> single deb
[12:07] <Paddy_EIRE> jpatrick, do you know which screen recording software he is running from the terminal http://news.softpedia.com/news/Install-Kickoff-KDE-Menu-in-Kubuntu-Ubuntu-46601.shtml
[12:07] <Paddy_EIRE> looks handy
[12:08] <jpatrick> Paddy_EIRE: no, but i'll look into that deb
[12:08] <jpatrick> Paddy_EIRE: implemented in KDE4 directly at least :)
[12:08] <Paddy_EIRE> nice one
[12:08] <SatManUK> you know jpatrick i installed curl not php5-curl so thats prob why im still getting issues..
[12:09] <Paddy_EIRE> so will kde4 make hardy after all?
[12:09] <jpatrick> SatManUK: installed php4-gd?
[12:09] <jpatrick> Paddy_EIRE: no, hardy is a Long Term Support and KDE4 is too unstable
[12:09] <Paddy_EIRE> oh I see
[12:09] <SatManUK> i installed just "curl" not phpx-curl
[12:09] <SatManUK> i installed php5-curl and its ok now
[12:10] <SatManUK> same for php5-gd
[12:10] <jpatrick> SatManUK: ok, great :)
[12:10] <jpatrick> Paddy_EIRE: however we should have KDE4.1 for Hardy+1
[12:10] <Paddy_EIRE> excellent
[12:11] <jpatrick> Paddy_EIRE: installing that package will override your kicker
[12:11] <SatManUK> now i just need zend Optimizer
[12:11] <SatManUK> which it provides a link for
[12:11] <Paddy_EIRE> I installed that kubuntu kickoff deb yet I'm wondering how to add it to the panel
[12:11] <Paddy_EIRE> restart kde so that it shows up perhaps??
[12:12] <Paddy_EIRE> then add it
[12:12] <jpatrick> right kick kicker -> add applet
[12:12] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah it aint there
[12:12] <Paddy_EIRE> brb
[12:12] <jpatrick> wait
[12:12] <Paddy_EIRE> ok
[12:12] <jpatrick> killall kicker && kicker
[12:12] <Paddy_EIRE> nice one
[12:16] <ardchoille> dcop kicker default restart
[12:19] <SatManUK> dont you just hate when you downloading the last file and the creator requires all your personal information. I haven't a clue who Zend are but i need to register my details with then to download Zend Optimizer
[12:19] <blekos> could you tell me where icon themes are placed after install?
[12:19] <jpatrick> blekos: ~/.kde/share/icons
[12:20] <blekos> thnx
[12:22] <ardchoille> !away > TimS|away
[12:24] <imbecile> kubuntu runs kde4 correct?
[12:24] <ardchoille> !kde4 | imbecile
[12:24] <ubotu> imbecile: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[12:24] <imbecile> ahh so its not released yet?
[12:25] <Paddy_EIRE> works well jpatrick.. you can right click kickoff and change it back to the classic kde menu also
[12:25] <jpatrick> imbecile: schuduled for January
[12:25] <imbecile> cool deal
[12:26] <Paddy_EIRE> jpatrick, it also uses the kubuntu logo for the button... If I try to make the panel smaller the image does not re-size with it.
[12:26] <jpatrick> Paddy_EIRE: no idea about that, sorry
[12:27] <Paddy_EIRE> no probs
[12:27] <Paddy_EIRE> I think I will keep it the normal size and just set it to auto hide or something... my laptop res is 1280x800 so the normal kde panel is quite space consuming
[12:30] <etfb> Does anyone know how to make knetworkmanager connect automatically to a known wifi access point?
[12:30] <etfb> It works in Feisty but not in Gutsy on the same hardware.
[12:30] <Paddy_EIRE> etfb, have it save your key and pass on kde wallet
[12:30] <etfb> Already does that.
[12:31] <Paddy_EIRE> then all you do is type the kde wallet pass
[12:31] <etfb> Yep, but it doesn't connect.  Usually have to select the SSID two or three times before it will connect.
[12:32] <Paddy_EIRE> :/
[12:32] <imbecile> ok heres my thing. I have a dual boot system with 3 partitions. if I delete my ubuntu partition and my storage partition and install there will i have issues with grub? or should i reinstall both OS?
[12:33] <etfb> imbecile: what are your OSes?  Which is on which partition?
[12:33] <imbecile> basically im trying to install kubuntu over ubuntu with a fresh install and not mess up my windows partition because its for work
[12:33] <etfb> imbecile: (cute nickname BTW.  Makes me feel like I can go straight to insulting you, which saves a lot of time on IRC)
[12:33] <Paddy_EIRE> imbecile, yeah you will have issues with grub as it will not be there
[12:33] <Paddy_EIRE> imbecile, 1 sec
[12:34] <etfb> imbecile: there's a file that Grub uses, something like boot.menu or somesuch.  Let me find it...
[12:34] <imbecile> im thinking it may work even though i wont be able to get into windows without kubuntu reinstalled
[12:34] <Paddy_EIRE> imbecile, pick the guide thats appropriate for you http://apcmag.com/node/5162/
[12:35] <Paddy_EIRE> hope it helps
[12:35] <imbecile> thanks :)
[12:35] <Paddy_EIRE> imbecile, fixing the win boot loader is easy
[12:36] <etfb> Paddy_EIRE: excellent link.  Bookmarked.  Thanks!
[12:36] <Paddy_EIRE> sure
[12:36] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[12:37] <etfb> imbecile: nope, it's /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I'd be nervous about hand-editing it.  I think our friend from the land o
[12:37] <ahnkle> is there an alternative to update-manager for kubuntu?
[12:37] <etfb> ... the leprechauns is your best bet.
[12:37] <etfb> ahnkle: For what?
[12:38] <Paddy_EIRE> ahnkle, kde uses adept afaik
[12:38] <ahnkle> so i can do an update from dapper to edgy
[12:38] <Paddy_EIRE> oh.. not sure about that
[12:38] <ardchoille> !update | ahnkle
[12:38] <ubotu> ahnkle: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:39] <Paddy_EIRE> I would do that in a terminal anyway ahnkle
[12:39] <etfb> ahnkle: I'd be nervous about upgrading instead of reinstalling from scratch, personally... but I just reinstalled with Gutsy and it's certainly a pain getting everything working again.
[12:39] <etfb> Even WITH good backups!
[12:40] <etfb> ardchoille: where do you get a list of all those !commands?  There's some good stuff there!
[12:40] <ardchoille> etfb: I've been in this channel for a while :)
[12:40] <ardchoille> !bot
[12:40] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:40] <ahnkle> using apt-get is "not recommended...much less reliable"
[12:40] <ardchoille> etfb: See that first url ^^
[12:41] <etfb> Hmmmph!  All-knowing indeed.  If ubotu is so smart, it can tell me: if half a chicken lays half an egg in half a day, how many oranges can you stuff up a chimney?  Eh?  Eh?  See, not so all-knowing!
[12:41] <etfb> (But I digress.)
[12:42] <etfb> (Oh, and thanks ardchoille.)
[12:42] <xeo> Hi, so I installed the latest flash and Firefox still won't work properly any ideas why?
[12:43] <ardchoille> xeo: Does firefox show the flash plugin in about:plugins?
[12:44] <xeo> I dont' see it
[12:44] <ardchoille> xeo: How did you install it?
[12:45] <xeo> well the first time I just let the plugin manager do it
[12:45] <xeo> that didn't work
[12:45] <xeo> so I just download the bin and did a sh ./ 'name of bin'
[12:45] <ardchoille> !flash | here is some info to get you started:
[12:45] <ubotu> here is some info to get you started:: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[12:49] <rodya_> !Gnash
[12:49] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[12:50] <Cugel> Anyone else using xsnow and compiz?
[12:51] <Paddy_EIRE> not me... using beryl still
[12:51]  * Paddy_EIRE <-- prefers beryl-manager
[12:52] <etfb> Cugel: I keep meaning to check compiz out.  Is it worth the potential CPU drain?
[12:52] <Cugel> Of course it is. One look at a wobbly window is enough to hook anyone.
[12:52] <etfb> Cugel: spoken like a true Linux believer
[12:53] <xeo> just gave gnash a try; makes an attempt to load medai but doesn't play it
[12:53] <etfb> Cugel: is it true that the installer only gives you the option to install compiz if your CPU is powerful enough?  I ask because I have 1.5GHz Toshiba and I never got asked...
[12:53] <Paddy_EIRE> xeo, which site
[12:54] <Paddy_EIRE> xeo, works with youtube just fine
[12:54] <Cugel> Just install it manually. 256 mb should be enough, really.
[12:54] <xeo> lets say If I got to someone page on myspace that has music or if I go to crunchyroll.com to watch anime it won't play the vids
[12:54] <kreib> !gmip
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gmip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <kreib> !gimp
[12:54] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[12:55] <etfb> Cugel: Doddle!  I have 1.5Gb, so I should be OK.  I'll give it a whirl.  Thanks!
[12:55] <Paddy_EIRE> xeo, yeah it is still in very very early stages of development so dont expect the sun the moon and the stars from it just yet
[12:55] <Paddy_EIRE> !gnash | xeo
[12:55] <ubotu> xeo: An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[12:56] <Paddy_EIRE> p.s. I hate flash... it sucks :P
[12:56] <xeo> its kinda working thanks
[12:56] <etfb> Paddy_EIRE: how so?  Just in the general "web is for HTML" philosophical sense, or is it the specific implementation you hate?
[12:57] <Paddy_EIRE> etfb, yeah I just find it completely unnecessary
[12:57] <etfb> Paddy_EIRE: Before YouTube came and effectively solved the codecs issue once and for all, I'd've agreed with you.  Now, not so much.
[12:57] <Cugel> (just trying again): When I run xsnow (the simple snow thing we all like) the flakes and everything leave trails, so it doesn't work. Anyone familiar with the problem?
[12:58] <etfb> Is xsnow part of JWZ's set of screensavers, Cugel ?
[12:59] <Cugel> no, it's the age-old x thing.
[12:59] <SatManUK> i got nolapro running .. i managed to download zend optimizer simple ./install to configure it.. i can live with that..
[12:59] <kreib> apt-get gimp tells of unauthenticated packages, whats up with that, will it break things?
[12:59] <etfb> Cugel: Evidently I'm too young...  (I keep telling myself that -- 467 isn't that old)
[12:59] <Cugel> Won't break stuff.
[13:00] <arditxo> hi all
[13:00] <arditxo> could someone help me please
[13:00] <Cugel> Ask.
[13:00] <ardchoille> !ask
[13:00] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[13:00] <etfb> kreib: I think it's just that the packages aren't subject to the full Ubuntu quality control, but they're not full of ebola virus or anything
[13:00] <arditxo> :)
[13:01] <etfb> !patience > me
[13:01] <etfb> Odd... I expected that command to work, and it didn't...  where's that doco again...
[13:02] <ardchoille> etfb: The factoids?
[13:02] <arditxo> i'm trying to restore the default desktop in kubuntu, i mean i want to remove compiz but i can't
[13:02] <kreib> ok, if ti breaks, I rely on you guys to fix it
[13:02] <etfb> Ah, I just got the factoid name wrong, ardchoille .  NEver mind.
[13:03] <arditxo> i've been looking for info but there's nothing really worthy over there
[13:03] <etfb> arditxo: What happens when you try?
[13:03] <arditxo> it just keeps running the compiz effects
[13:04] <Dragnslcr> arditxo- "kwin --replace" will switch back to the normal kwin window manager
[13:04] <arditxo> i mean the nice window effects, transparencies and all the compiz stuff
[13:04] <etfb> arditxo: You may need to restart X (ie either log out and in, or else Ctrl+Alt+Backspace)
[13:04] <arditxo> yeah, i actually did that, but it doesn't really work fine
[13:04] <Dragnslcr> arditxo- and you can uninstall the compiz packages through Adept
[13:04] <arditxo> it hooks
[13:04] <Cugel> let me guess, you lost window borders.
[13:05] <etfb> arditxo: prefix your replies with the nick of the person you're talking to; it makes it easier to follow your train of thought.
[13:05] <etfb> arditxo: you can probably use tab completion to make that easier
[13:05] <arditxo> well i did it through sudo apt-get autoremove compiz*
[13:05] <Cugel> try purge instead of autoremove
[13:05] <arditxo> yeh right cugel
[13:05] <arditxo> hehehe
[13:05] <Dragnslcr> arditxo- and what packages did it say it was uninstalling?
[13:05] <arditxo> i tried that too
[13:06] <arditxo> mm
[13:06] <etfb> arditxo, Cugel: I think the syntax is sudo apt-get --purge remove [package], isn't it?  Or is there a purge verb?
[13:06] <icecruncher> hi all
[13:06] <arditxo> compiz core, compiz gnome, ... i think they all have been apparently uninstalled.
[13:07] <Dragnslcr> arditxo- I would just use Adept. Search for "compiz" and remove any installed packages that it lists
[13:07] <arditxo> i did the purge stuff with aptitude purge ... something like that
[13:08] <girolamo> !italiano
[13:08] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[13:08] <arditxo> ok i'll try with adept
[13:08] <iba_padamu> i installed kubuntu, but i didn't install grub. how can i boot it from vista?
[13:09] <etfb> !grub | iba_padamu
[13:09] <ubotu> iba_padamu: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[13:09] <arditxo> all right, i run adept and as it says, there aren't any compiz packets installed
[13:10] <arditxo> (and there's a list with all compiz related packets)
[13:10] <etfb> arditxo: if you're still seeing compiz effects, it must be because (a) you haven't restarted X yet, or (b) you've somehow installed it outside the package management system, ie with configure/make
[13:11] <arditxo> aha
[13:11] <etfb> arditxo: (That's my guess, anyhow.  Aha?)
[13:11] <arditxo> well I think it must be the (b) I mean
[13:12] <etfb> arditxo: Do you remember explicitly doing that?  I mean, unless you suffer frequent blackouts, it's not the sort of ordeal you'd forget...
[13:12] <arditxo> and so how could I restart the X, should I restart the session maybe
[13:12] <icecruncher> i get a black screen after login into my e17 session... any suggestions?
[13:12] <arditxo> mmm I think I did something like that, something with configure...
[13:12] <etfb> arditxo: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace restarts X.  Be careful to close documents first!
[13:12] <Dragnslcr> arditxo- logout, and at the login screen, there's an option to restart the X server
[13:13] <etfb> icecruncher: What's e17?
[13:13] <arditxo> ok, I'll do that
[13:13] <arditxo> thx
[13:13] <icecruncher> enlightment
[13:13] <arditxo> anyway I think I'll be back soon :)
[13:15] <etfb> icecruncher: what happens if you press Enter?  Do you get a login prompt in text mode?
[13:15] <icecruncher> nope
[13:16] <etfb> "You are now crossing the state line between 'etfb knowing stuff' and 'etfb being completely ignorant'.  Have a nice day!"
[13:16] <etfb> Which is to say: sorry, icecruncher , can't help you there.  I've never used E17.
[13:17] <icecruncher> that's ok, thanks anyway
[13:18] <arditxo> ok guys, now it works!
[13:18] <arditxo> thanks really :)
[13:18] <Dragnslcr> You're welcome
[13:19] <etfb> arditxo: Another satisfied customer.  Be sure to leave your money on the fridge!  (But seriously: glad it worked.  I hate mysteries!)
[13:19] <arditxo> i got one more question... does anyone tried the openttd ?
[13:19] <arditxo> hehehe
[13:19] <arditxo> :)
[13:19] <RurouniJones> etfb: Who shot kennedy? It is really bugging me :p
[13:20] <etfb> RurouniJones: Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone.  Not everything Oliver Stone says is gospel.  Oh, and...
[13:20] <etfb> !offtopic
[13:20] <arditxo> i don't know why but i don't get it working
[13:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:20] <Dragnslcr> RurouniJones- Microsoft, of course
[13:21] <arditxo> has someone tried the openttd game?
[13:22] <etfb> Ah - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openttd (there is no god but Google, and Wikipedia is its prophet).  Never heard of it.  What's happening when you try?
[13:23] <arditxo> it just doesn't run
[13:23] <arditxo> the typical bouncing icon appears but after a while it goes off
[13:24] <etfb> arditxo: Any time I see that (entirely too often!) I check the X error log, thus: tail -f .xsession-errors
[13:24] <etfb> arditxo: Sometimes it's useless, but occasionally it tells you what's wrong
[13:25] <arditxo> ok i'll try that
[13:25] <etfb> OK, well it's half-past-midnight here, and even if I'm taking tomorrow off, I need my beauty sleep.  Bye all!
[13:26] <arditxo> bye and thanks a lot
[13:27] <bazhang> bye
[13:28] <arditxo> as i saw, there's a bug i don't understand with openttd
[13:29] <arditxo> it says: Your 'sample.cat' file is corrupted or missing!
[13:29] <arditxo> what is that?
[13:32] <SatManUK> im sure i must have installed flash into firefox at some point oh well let it download..
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:33] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[13:37] <bin4ry> hey zusammen
[13:37] <bin4ry> schönen 3. advent
[13:38] <bazhang> german bin4ry?
[13:38] <bin4ry> yea, oh i see this chan is english ?
[13:38] <bazhang> righto
[13:38] <bazhang> you want the german one?
[13:38] <bin4ry> well this ones ok as well
[13:38] <boguh> is it possible that my nvidia Quadro nvs 280 SD (64 mb) is a bit to slow for kde4?
[13:38] <bazhang> cool
[13:39] <bazhang> boguh: I would suspect kde4 first
[13:39] <bin4ry> i want to configure thunderbird to keep my received mails on the mail server and instead delete mails which are older then x days
[13:39] <bin4ry> is this possible ?
[13:39] <boguh> bazhang because its not finished?
[13:40] <bazhang> boguh: aye
[13:41] <bin4ry> some1 knows if thunderbird is able to do this ?
[13:41] <bazhang> not sure bin4ry, but there is this: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs
[13:41] <DoYouKnow> hi. I have Kubuntu on a broadcom 802.11g laptop. Whenever I connect to something, I am quickly disconnected and time outs occur frequently. It seems that this has gotten worse from Ubuntu 7.04 -> Kubuntu 7.10
[13:42] <DoYouKnow> I have only tried this with ubuntu 7.04 and kubuntu 7.10, much with ubuntu 7.10
[13:42] <DoYouKnow> I tried a little but don't really recall the results
[13:43] <DoYouKnow> *not much with
[13:43] <bazhang> !wireless | DoYouKnow
[13:43] <ubotu> DoYouKnow: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[13:45] <voicu> is it normal to have about 30 konqueror processes open even there is no konq window opne?
[13:52] <bin4ry> bazhang: nice, thx man prob is solved.
[13:53] <bin4ry> nice 3rd advent
[13:53] <bazhang> same to you bin4ry :}
[13:54] <girolamo> !italiano
[13:54] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:02] <berkes> Ever since an update last week, my nspluginviewer (flash) crashes on konqueror all the time. It also refuses to show flash on a page in the first place.
[14:02] <berkes> i've been going trough the isseureports on launchpad, but no luck. Any hints?
[14:04] <LUG> Hi all. Does exist any graphical app to configure DHCP service?
[14:05] <romunov> a lame google search: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/dhcpweb.htm
[14:06] <romunov> perhaps it helps...
[14:06] <bazhang> knetwork-manager LUG?
[14:07] <LUG> basta digitarlo da console in qualsiasi directory?
[14:09] <bazhang> LUG: you want to do this in the console? this is an English channel so I'm just guessing :}
[14:09] <LUG> Sorry :-P
[14:10] <LUG> I need to configure my DHCP Server not configure DHCP configuration on network interface
[14:10] <Tm_T> Extrapan100^BNC: I hope you're not going to use "awaynick" often ;(
[14:10] <LUG> My DHCPD don't start saying no network interface was associated with it
[14:11] <malamsu> i'm using intelhda sound card, no sound on kubuntu 7.10. what shall i do?
[14:14] <Newbie_Kubuntu> malamsu: using Knoppix, do you have sound?
[14:15] <malamsu> when i was using kubuntu 6.10, i can hear the sound
[14:16] <Newbie_Kubuntu> malamsu: do  you see the "speaker" icon in the kicker("task bar") ?
[14:17] <malamsu> yeah with x mark
[14:17] <bsm> hi, anyone running kde4? :9
[14:17] <bsm> :)
[14:17] <Newbie_Kubuntu> That's important
[14:17] <Newbie_Kubuntu> malamsu: If you double click on the icon, what comes out?
[14:18] <Zombie> Hello.
[14:18] <malamsu> no mixer
[14:18] <Zombie> How do I configure the KDM maanager not to show the list of logins at the login screen?
[14:19] <Newbie_Kubuntu> malamsu: If you click on the "K" menu > Multimedia > Kmix, what comes out?
[14:20] <malamsu> just the same. current mixer -
[14:21] <Newbie_Kubuntu> If click with the secondary (right) button on the icon, can you walk through all options and check it?
[14:22] <pastryness> can someone help me with a name of a pckage, where the stats/graphs of you system's performance sits on the kde toolbar? like network upload and download graph, cpu usage graph etc.. or stats. just need a name please
[14:23] <malamsu> there're mute, and open mixer window, and quit.
[14:23] <Tm_T> pastryness: hmm, no idea what app youre talking about, sorry
[14:24] <pastryness> anything similar?
[14:24] <Tm_T> Conky ?
[14:25] <Newbie_Kubuntu> I've heard about Conky, too
[14:26] <Newbie_Kubuntu> malamsu: when you select "open mixer window" what does it happen?
[14:27] <malamsu> just the same. that window appears again
[14:27] <vredchenko> \help
[14:27] <vredchenko> \h
[14:28] <Dragnslcr> pastryness- do you have kicker-applets installed?
[14:28] <pastryness> i dont even know what that is
[14:28] <pastryness> what is it?
[14:28] <Dragnslcr> It's a package
[14:28] <vredchenko> hi everyone, I've just installed kubuntu and have a problem with recognising my wireless usb adapter, has anyone encountered this problem before?
[14:29] <pastryness> for?
[14:29] <methice> Hi, i ve got a little pb, i've got kubuntu and compiz running and only 2 desktop avaible ...
[14:29] <gabriel_> is there any way to get thumb mouse button to work as the back button in Dolphin file manager??
[14:29] <Dragnslcr> pastryness- additional applets that you can add to the kicker panel. One of them is a CPU/memory graph applet
[14:29] <gabriel_> I searched google and saw some posts on it ubuntu forums, but no solution!
[14:30] <Dragnslcr> gabriel_- I think I use imwheel for that. Not sure if there's an easier way
[14:30] <pastryness> Dragnslcr: thanks alot, i'll try it out
[14:31] <gabriel_> pastryness: have u tried superkaramba?
[14:31] <methice> no one know ?
[14:32] <gabriel_> Dragnslcr: ok thanks
[14:32] <pastryness> gabriel_: now whats that do?
[14:32] <bin4ry> another question: is there an easy way to migrate from ximian evolution to thunderbird?
[14:32] <Dragnslcr> methice- you can set the number of cube faces in Compiz's settings
[14:32] <gabriel_> pastryness: well it puts the stats on your dekstop.. there are many layouts. maybe it can put it in system tray as well, dunno really
[14:33] <pastryness> okay, thanks gabriel_, i'll try out kicker-applets frist, then if i dont like it i'll try out superkaramba, thanks
[14:33] <gabriel_> pastryness: actually it can show a lot of stuff, highly configurable
[14:34] <gabriel_> pastryness: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html
[14:34] <pastryness> ooh
[14:35] <gabriel_> it's quite easy i to use i think
[14:36] <pastryness> just wondering how to show this 'kicker toolbar' in my panel now that ive installed it
[14:36] <Newbie_Kubuntu> Just an easy question for all: in the command line, I need a shell script to change from present directory to another , I've tried "cd /name_of_folder" but when after executing the script it happens... nothing :-(
[14:37] <gabriel_> maybe u can try writing an alias
[14:38] <Newbie_Kubuntu> Thanks, Gabriel, though I needed the script to work like a ".lnk" file in Windows: i execute it and it changed the present directory
[14:38] <pastryness> it tells me kicker is already running :/
[14:39] <Kingzar> Help my external harddisk was working fine for 2 days
[14:39] <gabriel_> Newbie_Kubuntu: but can't u execute the alias?
[14:39] <Newbie_Kubuntu> (and so (unlike an alias) in certain folder, I can delete the script, copy to another place, and so on...)
[14:39] <Kingzar> but today after a fresh boot, it doesn´t work anymore
[14:39] <vredchenko> quit
[14:40] <Kingzar> i got an error, No such mount!
[14:40] <gabriel_> so what about a bash script that does the same? and u call it with ./myscript?
[14:40] <gabriel_> then u can move the script around
[14:42] <Newbie_Kubuntu> Yes, yes, Gabriel, I've tried, but after executing the script... it does not change my folder
[14:42] <pastryness> Dragnslcr: help me out with this 'kicker' pls? i dunno what it is :/ but when i run it in teminal it says its already running :/
[14:42] <Newbie_Kubuntu> (if I tell the script "echo hello" it works, but it seems that it changes the folder to itself, not to my session)
[14:42] <gabriel_> yeah...
[14:43] <gabriel_> well wish i could help u :)
[14:43] <gabriel_> maybe go to a bash channel or something
[14:43] <Newbie_Kubuntu> TO BE BASHED, NOOO
[14:43] <Newbie_Kubuntu> :-)
[14:43] <Newbie_Kubuntu> :-D
[14:43] <Zombie> How do I configure the KDM maanager not to show the list of logins at the login screen?
[14:43] <gabriel_> hehe
[14:43] <Newbie_Kubuntu> Well, I will go to a bash channel :-), God bless you, bye, bye!
[14:45] <Zombie> pastryness: Kicker is your task bar.
[14:45] <pastryness> oh
[14:45] <pastryness> then how do i run these 'kicker-applets' that i just downloaded?
[14:46] <Tm_T> pastryness: rightclick your kicker, add -> add applets
[14:46] <Zombie> Did you download them using aptitude/synaptic?
[14:47] <pastryness> apt
[14:47] <pastryness> i see
[14:47] <pastryness> :D
[14:47] <pastryness> thanks alot
[14:52] <Zombie> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[14:52] <Zombie> How do I make this message stop prompting me?
[14:53] <Paddy_EIRE> throw a packet of mince meat at it Zombie
[14:54] <SatManUK> why does firefox have to download plugins for every user
[14:54] <SatManUK> isn't it more sense to have a shared plugin directory?
[14:54] <jpatrick> SatManUK: they're stored in the users home dir
[14:54] <Zombie> It does.
[14:55] <SatManUK> i figured that as im downloading adobe flash for the second time
[14:55] <SatManUK> why can't they be stored in /usr/share or something.. so they are only downloaded once..
[14:55] <Zombie> You need to sudo apt-get flash-player-plugin
[14:55] <jpatrick> SatManUK: does flashplugin-nonfree from multiverse not cut it?
[14:56] <SatManUK> i don't know..
[14:56] <Zombie> That will install it system wide.
[14:56] <SatManUK> i already have flash on konqueror its just firefox complaining
[14:58] <SatManUK> downloading it now..
[14:58] <SatManUK> at 5k/s
[14:59] <Zombie> Slow mirror?
[15:00] <abcd> Can anyone recommend any portable mp3 player ( no ipod) that runs smoothly with ubuntu and is seen as pendrive by the system without drivers ( or other stuff) installation?
[15:05] <SatManUK> yes that package answered my question..
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy Folks   : )
[15:07] <zass> hi
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hi zass
[15:08] <jhutchins> abcd: Um, iPod shuffle?
[15:10] <galorin> I'd like to get some music onto an SD card for my car stereo.  What's a good app to use for this?
[15:10] <jhutchins> abcd: The thing about the iPods is that their indexing system is cryptic, they don't work off of human readable song titles.  Since the shuffle doesn't have any menu features, it works fine as a memory stick.
[15:10] <abcd> jhutchins: ipod has not a radio, i'm looking for player with a radio
[15:11] <jhutchins> galorin: konqueror
[15:11] <jhutchins> galorin: amarok
[15:13] <BluesKaj> galorin , just copy and paste the files to the SD card , I was able to add some photos to my SD card when my 1G usb drive was full, so I could load them on to my son's pc ...was surprised but it worked fine
[15:14] <galorin> I have a lot of files in ogg on my system, but my car can only do mp3 or wma
[15:14] <galorin> Was told they sound better, so when I ripped my cd's I did ogg.  I think they do sound better
[15:15] <BluesKaj> galorin, use soundkonverter to convert the files to mp3
[15:16] <BluesKaj> dunno why ppl use mp3 now , when HDDs are so large ,to preserve sound quality whynot just save them as wav or flac files
[15:17] <galorin> When you've got a not so large HDD,it has to be done.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:17] <romunov> because some of us don't hear the difference, especially on crappy speakers/headphones
[15:17] <BluesKaj> hehe , no kidding
[15:17] <Kohlrabi> But when you switch to a stereo sytem you hear it
[15:18] <Kohlrabi> +s
[15:18] <romunov> not at volumes that i listen to :)
[15:18] <Kohlrabi> BluesKaj> dunno why ppl use mp3 now | mp3 makes no sense, aye. Either use AAC or vorbis, depends on how "free" you want to be :)
[15:19] <Kohlrabi> romunov: :)
[15:19] <bazhang> with flac there is a difference though imo
[15:19] <Kohlrabi> bazhang: difference to what?
[15:19] <bazhang> Kohlrabi: difference discernible to the human ear :}
[15:20] <Kohlrabi> depends
[15:20] <Kohlrabi> MP3 is transparent for most people at certain bitrates
[15:20] <Kohlrabi> but that depends on many factors
[15:20] <_nix_> Hello everybody, I clicked "Hide Menubar" in ktorrent>options. anyone know how can bring the menubar back?
[15:20] <bazhang> true
[15:20] <Kohlrabi> like exhaustion, and if you are likely to notice MP3-artifacts
[15:20] <Kohlrabi> but most newer lossy codecs get transparent at much lower bitrates
[15:21] <Kohlrabi> and MP3 has mayn intrinsic flaws
[15:21] <_nix_> Kohlrabi: like HE-AAC v2 at 48kbit
[15:21] <Kohlrabi> it's really so 1990 to use it :)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Kohlrabi, I just wav or flac ...guess I'm old school , the less data loss the better it sounds ...most of my music is on redbook audio on cd. Also I use the spdif output to my sound system in the TV room
[15:22] <Kohlrabi> BluesKaj: I myself ripped all my CDs to wavpack lossless
[15:23] <bazhang> all my dead shows are on flac :}
[15:23] <BluesKaj> never wear HPs ...I don't don't even own a mp3 player :)
[15:23] <Kohlrabi> wavpack is a tad smaller than flac, so it saves me maybe 1.5GB as a whole
[15:23] <Kohlrabi> but we're going off-topic ;)
[15:23] <Kohlrabi> bazhang: grateful dead?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:23] <Kohlrabi> :)
[15:23] <bazhang> Kohlrabi: yup
[15:24] <bazhang> legal torrents even :}
[15:24] <Tm_T> .
[15:24] <Kohlrabi> I know
[15:24] <bazhang> but way offtopic
[15:24] <bazhang> sorry about that
[15:27] <BluesKaj> to me, "ripping" implies data loss
[15:28] <Kohlrabi> BluesKaj: simply, no
[15:29] <Kohlrabi> EAC (for windows) can rip secure, and I think cdparanoia is quite good, too
[15:34] <noaXess> hi all
[15:34] <bazhang> hi noaXess
[15:35] <becse> hi
[15:35] <noaXess> what about wifi intel's 4965AGN card? any idea if there will be soon a driver available into kubuntu?
[15:35] <noaXess> i saw the driver on http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=HOWTO-iwlwifi
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I've been tying to use audacity on gutsy for copying analog line in audio from my amp , to which i have my trusty Dual 1219 turntable connected. The reason is I want to copy my vinyl , which i have successfully done in windows using the Nero audio suite. I'm not about to spend money cd duplicates of perfectly good sounding vinyl records , just so i can play the music in my car
[15:36] <noaXess> where do i see a list of drivers that are included within the newest kubuntu?
[15:36] <bazhang> !wireless | noaXess
[15:36] <ubotu> noaXess: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[15:36] <BluesKaj> but audacity crashes on 64bit kubuntu
[15:37] <noaXess> bazhang: yeah i know.. but there are no doc's for intel's wifi 4965agn...
[15:37] <bazhang> noaXess: I believe that iwl is in the kernel
[15:38] <BluesKaj> is anyone else copying analog audio to wav or anyother codec on kubuntu ?
[15:39] <LjL> BluesKaj: well there's always kwave *ugh* :)
[15:39] <LjL> BluesKaj: anyway there are a couple of specialized packages for vynil
[15:39] <BluesKaj> LjL, kwave eh...does it work
[15:39] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:39] <LjL> BluesKaj: mostly not :P
[15:39] <noaXess> bazhang: in the wifidocx the write about using ndiswrapper.. i have done that.. but had some problem, that the wlan connection will be hanged up after few minutes.. thats why i whant to use i reall linux driver :)
[15:40] <deian> hi
[15:40] <deian> can someone quickly give me the command needed to know whether i have the 32b or 64b operating system
[15:40] <deian> i forgot
[15:40] <LjL> !version
[15:40] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[15:41] <deian> 64bit version
[15:41] <deian> ?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> LjL, bummer...it's a task that takes patience and time . Since I do have plenty of time (I'm retired) but little patience , i really need something that works. : (
[15:41] <pag> deian, uname -m
[15:42] <deian> ahh yea, thats the one
[15:42] <mikko> !fi
[15:42] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[15:42] <deian> thanks for that
[15:42] <deian> excellent
[15:42] <deian> ok next question is
[15:42] <LjL> BluesKaj, i don't have a ready-made solution, but i'd really tend to investigate using command-line tools fit for the purpose, rather than the shoddy graphical audio editors that are around. a shell script can do wonders, if you have the patience of setting it up - and then no more patience
[15:42] <deian> is the 64bit kubuntu 7.10 able to run KDE 4?
[15:43] <ogre> hey guys, I was wondering what the graphical installer is for kubuntu (like synaptic) and where i would find it
[15:43] <deian> adept
[15:43] <deian> it should be in the menu
[15:43] <Dr_willis> !adept
[15:43] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[15:43] <bazhang> noaXess: this is in gutsy right?
[15:43] <deian> under system
[15:43] <Dr_willis> I cheat and always install synaptic :)
[15:43] <Dr_willis> or just use the shell
[15:43] <ogre> kk found it thx
[15:44] <pag> deian, as able as 32bit is - I'm not sure if there are packages yet though..
[15:44] <deian> for the 64bit you mean?
[15:44] <LjL> !info gramophile | BluesKaj
[15:44] <ubotu> blueskaj: Package gramophile does not exist in gutsy
[15:44] <BluesKaj> LjL, thanks for the tip. I do Have some CLI experience using tovid to transcode video to dvd ...any suggestions for audio ?
[15:44] <deian> it looks promising, especially if running along side compiz/fusion
[15:44] <LjL> !info gramofile | BluesKaj
[15:44] <ubotu> blueskaj: gramofile: Transfer sound from gramophone records to CD. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6-8 (gutsy), package size 105 kB, installed size 264 kB
[15:44] <LjL> !info gwc | BluesKaj
[15:44] <ubotu> blueskaj: gwc: Audio file denoiser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.21.05-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 138 kB, installed size 432 kB
[15:44] <LjL> !info wavsplit | BluesKaj
[15:44] <ubotu> blueskaj: wavsplit: Splits wavfiles into tracks. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.0-3 (gutsy), package size 16 kB, installed size 92 kB
[15:45] <BluesKaj> cool LjL ..Thanks :) !
[15:47] <LjL> BluesKaj: you really should try gramofile first i think, since it provides both vinyl-specific noise reduction *and* track splitting in one package
[15:47] <ogre> so how would I install superkaramba for instance?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> LjL, right ...will do
[15:47] <ogre> bazhang:  I switched over to kde ;)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> just installed gramofile
[15:48] <ogre> bazhang:  this is imbecile btw
[15:48] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[15:48] <bazhang> ogre: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[15:48] <Dr_willis> !info superkaramba
[15:48] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 533 kB, installed size 1424 kB
[15:48]  * Dr_willis scoffs at superkaramba :)
[15:49] <ogre> so i have to via command line?
[15:49] <bazhang> ogre: great news on the switch--this channel (and DE) is much nicer :}
[15:49] <noaXess> !hardware
[15:49] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[15:49] <ogre> i suppose it will take a bit of getting used to
[15:50] <Dr_willis> ogre,  its trivlal to do it by the command line.. :)
[15:50] <bazhang> ogre: not so much, it's easier using the command line
[15:50] <Dr_willis> its easier to say 'sudo apt-get install whatever' then say..open up adept.. search for whatever.. click here, there and then this..
[15:51] <Dr_willis> if you get a list of things you always want to install on a new system. you can also just make a simple script to reinstallthem all on other machines.
[15:52] <noaXess> !nvidia
[15:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:52] <mikko> shut the fuck up
[15:52] <ogre> how do i edit my software sources?
[15:52] <Dr_willis> sources are defined in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:52] <Dr_willis> most of the gui package manager tools have front ends to edit that file also.
[15:53] <LjL> ogre: don't know where the icon is, but "kdesudo software-sources-kde" from a shell
[15:54] <ogre> kdesudo?
[15:54] <LjL> !kdesudo
[15:54] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[15:54] <sigma_kubuntu> whats good opensource ecomerce software?
[15:54] <ogre> heh this is a whole new world hehe
[15:54] <ogre> yaya same as gksu
[15:55]  * Dr_willis wishes the KDE and GNOME guys would have a conferance on naming of common/similer tools in a similer way...
[15:55] <LjL> Dr_willis: that kan gnever happen
[15:56] <ogre> lol
[15:59] <ogre> so how would I open my sources.list?
[15:59] <Dr_willis> its a text file. Use a text editor.
[16:00] <Dr_willis> BACKUP YOUR Original! :0
[16:00] <ogre> well i have to open as root correct?
[16:00] <Dr_willis> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:00] <ogre> ahh nano
[16:00] <ogre> got it
[16:00] <Dr_willis> Correct. :) since its a system type file
[16:00] <Dr_willis> Or use vi, or emacs, or whatever editor ya want
[16:00] <wagner> algum brasileiro aqui?
[16:00] <LjL> or kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:00] <Dr_willis> I like fte :)
[16:00] <LjL> !br | wagner
[16:00] <ubotu> wagner: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[16:12] <Zombie> How do I configure the KDM maanager not to show the list of logins at the login screen?
[16:12] <Dr_willis> install the kdm theme tool and a few extra themes is the easy way
[16:12] <Dr_willis> !find kdmtheme
[16:12] <ubotu> Found: kdmtheme
[16:13] <Dr_willis> !find kdm
[16:13] <ubotu> Found: kdm, kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme
[16:23] <serpent-> which shortcut do i need to get out of "man" ?
[16:23] <vytenis> q
[16:23] <serpent-> thanks
[16:23] <vytenis> No prob. :)
[16:25] <rodya_> how do you configure kdm?
[16:26] <rodya_> !kdm
[16:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:28] <Zombie> How do I configure the KDM manager not to show the list of logins at the login screen? Thats a security breach
[16:29] <Zombie> rodya_: I'm looking for the same answers really.
[16:29] <Dr_willis> install the kdmtheme package and some ectra themes
[16:29] <Dr_willis> !find kdm
[16:29] <ubotu> Found: kdm, kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme
[16:29] <Dr_willis> Theres themes that have that, and themes that dont.  i also think its a setting inkdmtheme you can tweak for most themes.
[16:33] <MooseMorals> I'm trying to install kubuntu to a 2GB usb drive, and the install is failing before the end - is 2GB big enough for an install, and is there anything I can do to shrink it?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> MooseMorals, why not use the live cd copy on the USB drive , it will fit
[16:36] <Dr_willis> i recall some issues with grub while installing on usb drives.
[16:36] <Dr_willis> I wonder if someone has made a tweaked usb drive install image somewhere.
[16:36] <Zombie> The KDE Control center has no effect
[16:37] <MooseMorals> The full install doesn't just copy across the CD though, becuae it would only be 600MB,right?
[16:37] <m4tt> yop all
[16:38] <m4tt> qui pourrait m'help pour un pb de wifi sur ma kubuntu
[16:38] <Dr_willis> kcontrol --> System Admin --> Login manager --> "Users Tab" also has a check box to enable/disable the list it seems. that may be for the  non-themed login kdm display.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> !fr | m4tt
[16:39] <ubotu> m4tt: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:39] <Dr_willis> be sure to enable the 'administrator mode' for the kde control panel. Some times that button gets hidden at the bottom of the panels. :(
[16:39] <m4tt> dac
[16:40] <Manyfold> !ger | m4tt
[16:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ger - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:40] <Manyfold> !gr | m4tt
[16:40] <ubotu> m4tt: #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[16:41] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, what's the size of installed kubuntu before adding apps ?
[16:42] <Dr_willis> BlueDevil,  no idea really. i was THINKING it was about 3gb
[16:42] <Dr_willis> but i alwyas install kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, and other stuff right off the start. :)
[16:42] <Dr_willis> For a USB disk disrto. i alwyas use DSL or PuppyLinux
[16:44] <BluesKaj> yeah damn small linux rocks , I used it on an old 233mhz 128mb ram 6G HDD pc and it ran great
[16:49] <makuseru> are there any multamedia converters that have a gui?
[16:50] <jussi01> makuseru: what are you wanting to convert?
[16:50] <jussi01> vlc does some conversion...
[16:51] <makuseru> well, when i used Fiesty there was a program called Mulitmedia Converter, and it did just about every video and audio conversion, but it dosnt work with Gutsy
[16:51] <jussi01> !away > TimS
[16:51] <TimS> I know I know
[16:51] <olegb> avidemux is nice for conversion/encoding
[16:51] <TimS> I got the same message when i went away
[16:53] <jhutchins> mplayer has some good conversion options, but it takes some learning to build the commands.  Wrapper scripts like tovid, which is excellent for mastering DVD's, can help show you the ropes.
[16:54] <Dr_willis> i tend to use avidemux for my simple needs. :)
[16:55] <bazhang> vlc is nice in that regard
[17:01] <anddy__> Alguien que hable español por favor!
[17:01] <pag> !es | anddy__
[17:01] <ubotu> anddy__: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:02] <anddy__> Ok, gracias ubotu. ;-)
[17:03] <ubuntu__> how do i format the hard drive on linux?
[17:04] <pag> !qtparted | ubuntu__
[17:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:04] <pag> hmph.. ubuntu__ a programm called QtParted can do it.
[17:04] <ubuntu__> doesnt the linux cd come with it
[17:04] <ubuntu__> when you install linux ?
[17:04] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: when Jucato will come back? i miss him :P
[17:04] <bazhang> gparted, cfdisk, as well ubuntu__
[17:04] <jussi01> !info qtparted
[17:04] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu12 (gutsy), package size 206 kB, installed size 720 kB
[17:05] <ubuntu__> !info qtparted
[17:05] <ubuntu__> !info
[17:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:05] <pag> ubuntu__, it was installed on cd in feisty.. I'm not sure about gutsy
[17:05] <ubuntu__> kk thanks let me try it out
[17:06] <bazhang> ubuntu__: you want to overwrite your windows box with kubuntu?
[17:06] <ubuntu__> i wana keep my windows
[17:06] <ubuntu__> but also install linux
[17:06] <ubuntu__> a drives been already made for linux but instalation had error
[17:06] <ubuntu__> so i wana format the linux drive and reinstall it  yet keep the windows
[17:07] <bazhang> ubuntu__: the installer disk will do that--just choose format all linux partitions guided, or something like that in the installer
[17:08] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, dunno, I haven't spoken with Jucato for a few days
[17:08] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: yes, its a while that he is not around
[17:08] <bazhang> check his blog emilsedgh
[17:11] <BluesKaj> Jucato's last entry on his blog is dec5th
[17:14] <jhutchins> I ran the Centos 4.5 installer recently, and was surprized that it didn't offer to shrink the Windows partition.
[17:14] <jhutchins> I think it was an NTFS issue, I can't find any support for ntfs in Centos.
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[17:28] <jalbert> +
[17:28] <bazhang> ugh
[17:28] <eshat> is there a easy way to install kde 4.0 into kubuntu 7.10 ???
[17:29] <bazhang> !kde4
[17:29] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[17:29] <BluesKaj> eshat, if there was an easy way a lot more ppl would install it
[17:31] <BluesKaj> I followed the KDE4 instructions to the letter , but it failed twice ..so I just dumped and haven't bothered with it since
[17:33] <bsander> BluesKaj: what's the problem then?
[17:33] <jussi01> BluesKaj: thats weird - the install went fine here
[17:34] <sigma_kubuntu> bsander: my tv out eventually worked!
[17:35] <bsander> good for you :)
[17:35] <BluesKaj> bsander, I think it's my hardware ..not real sure but on board ati graphics seems be a prob for KDE4
[17:35] <bsander> i was still asleep when you talked to me this morning, sigma_kubuntu ;)
[17:35] <bsander> BluesKaj: so the install went fine, but the session doesn't?
[17:35] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: really? i never heard of that...
[17:36] <sigma_kubuntu> lol oh ok
[17:36] <bsander> you can disable desktop effects, doesn't that fix it?
[17:36] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: maybe thats because compositing
[17:36] <bsander> sigma_kubuntu: did you fix the mouse issue yet?
[17:37] <sigma_kubuntu> bsander: what mouse issue?
[17:38] <bsander> sigma_kubuntu: you said you couldn't get your mouse to work on the tvout screen
[17:38] <BluesKaj> whatever the prob is emilsedgh, bsander , i'm not gonna bother with kde4 til it's officially released , even then I'll wait to see how it works out for others with my kind of set up ...kubuntu 64bit on ATI X200G graphics
[17:39] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: well, i thought you want to get your hands on it and you dont because of ati.so really, if you want to be satisfied with it, wait for 4.1
[17:39] <bsander> ok :)
[17:40] <sigma_kubuntu> bsander: oh that. nope didnt get it to work. only the esc button works. but something strange hapend. the nvidia control panel started working. but the video lags a litle if i use it
[17:40] <bazhang> I'm waiting for kde4.5
[17:41] <sigma_kubuntu> and my laptop tv out started working :)
[17:41] <Dr_willis> Im waiting for Service Pack 1 for Kubuntu. :)
[17:42] <sigma_kubuntu> but that was a cable converter issue
[17:42] <bazhang> haha Dr_willis
[17:42] <bsander> sigma_kubuntu: ok :) wel good you got it to work, it's nice :)
[17:43] <BluesKaj> well, emilsedgh and bsander , I like my google earth and tvtime and both work , altho GE is abit clunky, and I want to be sure they will still run on kde4 before taking the plunge , so to speak :)
[17:43] <sigma_kubuntu> they said kde would be pretty stable by 4.1 . ideally if all users tested it, it would be super stable
[17:44] <sigma_kubuntu> will kde3 apps run in kde4?
[17:44] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: well, kde4 has nothing to do with GoogleEarth and all non-kde apps
[17:45] <bsander> sigma_kubuntu: yes they will
[17:45] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, but it does have to do with how kde and Xorg work together and that's an issue with ati hardware
[17:46] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, whenever kde is updated , my xorg file has to be reconfigged
[17:46] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: i dont use it as main desktop yet, but i was unable to wait and stay with screenshots ;)
[17:47] <sigma_kubuntu> hav any of u guys read ubuntu full circle magazine?
[17:47] <bazhang> yes
[17:47] <ubuntu__> has nvidia fixed its propriety driver package?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> can't say i've even heard of it , sigma_kubuntu
[17:48] <jussi01> ubuntu__: wroks fine here...
[17:48] <NickPresta> ubuntu__, what was wrong with it?
[17:49] <bazhang> were they ever broken ubuntu?
[17:49] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: There have been a lot of updates to the nvidia drivers, don't know what you mean by "fixed", they work fine for a lot of people.
[17:50] <sigma_kubuntu> fullcirclemagazine.org its all about the ubuntu family. great articles. gets beta every time. next issue out on the 21st. maybe they can do a kde4 writeup/review
[17:52] <ubuntu__> abt two mnths ago it broke my x whenever i installed nvidia driver from repo and i had to reconfigure manually nv generic driver to make distro work, currently im on live cd, i have geforce 2 mx 400 nvidia 64mb card..........which driver i shud install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[17:54] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  neother one i think.. you may want the glx-legacy for that old a card
[17:54] <ubuntu__> any suggestions?
[17:55] <Dr_willis> the !nvidia page has links to a page that tells what cards use what drivers
[17:55] <jhutchins> !nvidia | ubuntu__
[17:55] <ubotu> ubuntu__: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[17:57] <Dr_willis> dosent the restricted-manager tool detect/know what drivers to use for what cards?
[17:58] <ubuntu__> Dr_willis: where do i find that tool in kubuntu 7.10?
[18:00] <Dr_willis> !info restricted-manager
[18:00] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 316 kB
[18:00] <Dr_willis> Hmm theres a kde version also i though. installed by default
[18:01] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, yeah. It's restricted-manager-kde, IIRC
[18:01] <bsander> !info restricted-manager-kde | Dr_willis
[18:01] <ubotu> dr_willis: restricted-manager-kde: manage non-free hardware drivers - KDE frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 64 kB, installed size 288 kB
[18:02] <eshat> hi all ,... is there a kernel parameter to blacklist a module ?
[18:02] <BluesKaj> ubuntu__, check system settings/advanced/restricted driver/ and enable it to see if it works , you'll prolly have relogin
[18:02] <jhutchins> eshat: There are ways to blacklist a module, yes.
[18:03] <jhutchins> !blacklist | eshat
[18:03] <ubotu> eshat: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u »
[18:03] <StyXman> 'nights
[18:03] <eshat> jhutchins: i asked for a kernelparameter at boot,... cause i want to blacklist a module on the live cd
[18:05] <jhutchins> eshat: No.
[18:05] <eshat> jhutchins: wron ,... i just found the soloution
[18:05] <StyXman> Riddell: hi. I just read the logs of the pykde4 tutorial. there was an unanswered question, which is: where could one ask more questions?
[18:05] <eshat> jhutchins: Modul-Name.blacklist=yes
[18:05] <eshat> jhutchins: please don't say no, if you are not sure
[18:06] <cheguevara> StyXman, pyqt mailing list
[18:06] <cheguevara> http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt
[18:06] <NickPresta> eshat, I, too, have seen that solution but I have also seen that it doesn't work in all cases. YMMV
[18:06] <eshat> NickPresta: ahh ok ,.. anyway,.. i ll try
[18:08] <jhutchins> If he already knows, why is he asking?
[18:08] <jhutchins> why doesn't he just try it?
[18:08] <NickPresta> jhutchins, no idea. *shrugs*
[18:10] <jhutchins> I see a lot of people on IRC asking about stuff that wouldn't take as long just to try.
[18:10] <bazhang> too true
[18:10] <BluesKaj> how does one edit the Run Command drop down list without clearing the whole list?
[18:10] <NickPresta> jhutchins, I suppose a lot of it comes from the fear that "trying" it will break things beyond repair. who knows...
[18:11] <Dr_willis> Thats the legacy of windows ... :)
[18:13] <B4S3M> is there any way to install HP 1020 laserjet on Gutsy ..... i read many documents and no result !!
[18:14] <bazhang> B4S3M: have you tried just connecting it? hp printers are very well supported
[18:15] <B4S3M> bazhang: come on ... its well connected
[18:15] <llutz> B4S3M: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1020
[18:16] <bazhang> B4S3M: the printer setup utility does not see it? that is odd
[18:17] <llutz> B4S3M:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1286431#post1286431
[18:21] <SonicChao> How do I put my Home Folder on my desktop?
[18:22] <girolamo> !italiano
[18:22] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:23] <StyXman> SonicChao: kcontrol-> system administration-> paths-> desktop path
[18:23] <llutz> SonicChao: open konqueror, drag'n drop yur home to desktop. press ctrl-shift to create a link only
[18:23] <StyXman> set it to your home path
[18:24] <StyXman> ah, as an icon? do what llutz says
[18:24] <SonicChao> yeah, as an icon.
[18:24] <SonicChao> but thank you, StyXman, I've wanted to change my desktop path for ages to make it differ from GNOME's
[18:25] <StyXman> SonicChao: or create a new link to location (url) set the url to your home path, set the icon
[18:29] <SonicChao> llutz: It's not appearing on my desktop
[18:30] <llutz> SonicChao: then you made a mistake, it works that way with kwin (no idea what when using compiz or that stuff )
[18:31] <SonicChao> llutz: Nevermind, a small problem that was my fault because I changed the desktop path before I did your method
[18:33] <bishnu_> hi need some help to setup wireless in dell inspiron 1420
[18:33] <bishnu_> i tried to follow the instructions from this link
[18:33] <bishnu_> http://thelinuxnewbie.blogspot.com/2006/08/installing-wifi-wireless-c_115515845577896146.html
[18:33] <bishnu_> it didn't work in last step
[18:33] <SonicChao> Is there a setting to make Kicker only display the windows in my current desktop?
[18:34] <Dr_willis> SonicChao,  theres a setting for the task  window applet  - yes that does that.
[18:34] <bishnu_> does anybody have any suggestions to make wireless work in kubuntu?
[18:34] <SonicChao> In the what, Dr_willis?
[18:34] <Dr_willis> SonicChao,  each kicker applet has its own menus/settings depending on where you right click on them at
[18:35] <BluesKaj> !wireless | bishnu_
[18:35] <ubotu> bishnu_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[18:35] <Dr_willis> Clicking on the Proper place.. can be the problem. :)
[18:38] <MGalaxy> Hello, when I switch my keyboard layout to another language, CTRL+C/V/X dont work anymore, any solution?
[18:39] <bishnu_> thanks
[18:44] <SonicChao> I don't see it
[18:44] <SonicChao> >:
[18:44] <SonicChao> And he left
[18:45] <SonicChao> How do I make Kicker display only the windows in my current desktop?
[18:49] <Dragnslcr> SonicChao- Right click the taskbar, go to Configure Panel -> Taskbar -> Show windows from all desktops
[18:51] <SonicChao> Dragnslcr: thanks, found it
[18:52] <MGalaxy> Dragnslcr: may u plz help me?
[18:52] <frank23> what kde program could I use to enable/disable services?
[18:53] <romunov> i'd like to know that as well
[18:55] <frank23> nm I found it
[18:55] <ubuntu__lll> even though i have installed 7.10 kubuntu adept keeps telling me there is a newer version of the distro and if i want to upgrade the whole distro or not..................is it a bug or there is and upgraded version of gutsy gibbon?
[18:56] <matttis> how can I stop firefox from checking the spelling ?
[18:58] <romunov> frank23: run "kcontrol" from your console
[18:58] <frank23> matttis: not sure but it might be an extension that does that. look in Tools->addons and disable the dictionary
[18:58] <frank23> romunov: It's in systemsettings as well
[18:59] <matttis> frank23: no, its not an add-on
[18:59] <romunov> could be
[19:00] <BluesKaj> ubuntu__lll, yes it's a bug in adept notifier/upgrader..
[19:00] <ubuntu__lll> BluesKaj: thanx mate
[19:01] <BluesKaj> np
[19:02] <ubuntu__lll> BluesKaj: after i installed 7.10 it tells me that there are 73 updates , should i apply all of em or just leave it alone?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> ubuntu__lll, use adept to install an app or 2 that want on your system , usually after a manual install of some apps and a reboot the upgrde notifier will disappear
[19:02] <killermach> my xorg display is gone after upgrading from fiesty to gutsy. I suspect this is from the nvidia driver that I was using in the xorg.conf, how do I install the restricted drivers from commandline?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> ubuntu__lll,the updates are prolly legit if you just installed Kubuntu with the last day or 2
[19:04] <BluesKaj> within
[19:07] <MementoMori> hi all
[19:08] <MementoMori> since I upgraded flashplugin-nonfree to 9.0.115.0ubuntu0.7.10 version I always get a nspluginviewer crash in konqueror
[19:08] <MementoMori> is there a way to fix?
[19:09] <proximox> good evening
[19:10] <proximox> im running Linux Mint KDE at the moment, and i like the "shineyness" on it, but the support is close to non-exsisting, how hard would it be to make Kubuntu look bout the same as Mint does ? (weird question i guess, but there it is =P )
[19:10] <maninder> any one know a site to get the illiest msn version for linux É
[19:11] <cags> ola
[19:11] <proximox> maninder: there's a couple of msn clients you can use, you just need to test and find whats best for you
[19:11] <maninder> so like gimmi a site
[19:11] <MementoMori> maninder: I dont think you'll even find a linx msn version
[19:11] <proximox> maninder: there's Kmess, Kopete, Pidgin and Amsn among others
[19:11] <maninder> were i can download a proper msn version for linux
[19:12] <MementoMori> maninder: try kopete or amsn
[19:12] <maninder> so just search for Amsn
[19:12] <maninder> and i shall find itÉ
[19:12] <proximox> there is no linux version of MSN, there is programs that let you connect to your msn account
[19:12] <proximox> maninder: open the package manager and search for MSN, it will give you a couple of options i reckon
[19:12] <MementoMori> maninder:  in kubuntu kopete is most integrated but it seems like amsn works better
[19:13] <maninder> package mannager searches for all the linux softwares that you can download rightÉ
[19:13] <proximox> maninder: the package manager lists the software that has been tested on Kubuntu and known to work (more or less at least)
[19:13] <MementoMori> but amsn has an ugly default gui...
[19:14] <proximox> maninder: there may be other options out there not in Kubuntu packagemanager
[19:14] <proximox> MementoMori: not true, amsn has one of the best GUIs for msn clients on linux
[19:14] <proximox> MementoMori: but you need to install it with anti-aliased fonts, if not you get ugly fonts
[19:14] <maninder> so kubuntu doesnt come with package managerÉ
[19:15] <MementoMori> how can I downgrade an installed package?
[19:15] <poison--> llo guys
[19:15] <girolamo> !italiano
[19:15] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:15] <proximox> maninder: yes it does, but that package manager maybe doesent contain every linux application availiable in the world
[19:15] <poison--> <MementoMori, use synaptic
[19:15] <maninder> so how do i go to packet manager is it in the start manuÉ
[19:15] <MementoMori> poison--: it cant be done with aptitude?
[19:15] <proximox> as poison-- said, its called synaptic
[19:15] <maninder> is it adept managerÉ
[19:16] <michi_> !german
[19:16] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[19:16] <proximox> MementoMori: yes it can be done with apt
[19:16] <MementoMori> proximox: I'll search more info with google
[19:16] <proximox> synaptic is a graphical frontend to aptitude
[19:16] <MementoMori> proximox: thank you
[19:17] <proximox> MementoMori: np, glad to help if i can =)
[19:17] <proximox> (and im not even using kubuntu yet =P )
[19:17] <maninder> alright i found it on the site
[19:17] <maninder> do i download it or get the pluginsÉ
[19:17] <proximox> poison--: doesent Kubuntu use adept by default ?
[19:18] <poison--> it does, but i luv synaptic
[19:18] <proximox> maninder: best way to install software is through the package manager
[19:18] <proximox> maninder: you CAN download and install things from the web
[19:18] <proximox> maninder: but there's no guarantee it will work properly
[19:18] <maninder> okay lets say if i download the amsn how would i install it É
[19:18] <maninder> i dont know how to do installtion with linux
[19:19] <proximox> maninder: whats in the package manager is tested to work
[19:19] <proximox> maninder: dunno, check the site for installation instructions
[19:19] <maninder> ye but lets say if i want to do manul or i cant ffind it
[19:19] <maninder> oh okay okay
[19:19] <maninder> what dvd player would your recomendÉ
[19:19] <poison--> MPlayer is good
[19:20] <jembouge> videolan
[19:20] <maninder> kk thanks
[19:20] <maninder> cause i was tyring the one that came with kubuntu starts with a k
[19:20] <maninder> and it doesnt opne dvds gives me a error
[19:20] <proximox> VLC (videolan) would be my choice
[19:20] <proximox> poison--: ok, what is it that you prefer about synaptic over adepte ?
[19:20] <maninder> vlc would play avi files as wel right
[19:21] <poison--> <proximox, the way it shows me the packages i search and the way i control it, besides, i can config it to use a proxy easy, adept is a pain to use with a proxy
[19:22] <proximox> poison--: yeah, i like the fact that synaptic shows me version numbers, while adept does not (!!!!)
[19:22] <MementoMori> it seems to be quite difficult to downgrade a just upgraded package
[19:23] <proximox> poison--: but i think searching and finding stuff in adept is faster and easier
[19:23] <poison--> <MementoMori, try a reboot and than search for the package
[19:24] <poison--> ]proximox, in fact the only thing that makes me use synaptic is dat i do have to use proxy at work
[19:24] <poison--> im on wind$#$## at home
[19:24] <bogi27> ok just one question what is the best irc for linux ?
[19:24] <poison--> i use xchat
[19:24] <proximox> MementoMori: and maninder: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[19:25] <proximox> there's a little info on installing stuff on (k)ubuntu using package manager etc =)
[19:25] <MementoMori> poison--: why should I reboot? I only need to downgrade a simple package.. if I remove it I'll get the latest version anyway
[19:26] <proximox> !software
[19:26] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[19:26] <proximox> theres another one =P
[19:26] <happytiger> My firefox keeps freezing when watching flash content  on youtube??  All updated and all from adept
[19:27] <MementoMori> so the solution should be removing it, search manually for the desidered version, installing it with dpkg and then block its version
[19:27] <MementoMori> am I right?
[19:28] <poison--> <happytiger, did u installed the kubuntu restricted package
[19:28] <poison--> ?
[19:32] <maninder> how do you change the mouse themeÉ
[19:32] <maninder> on kubuntu
[19:32] <nosrednaekim> maninder: system settings->keyboard and mouse->
[19:33] <maninder> thanks
[19:35] <maliks7> my adept is constantly giving me an error msg that changes could not be committed coz it may break the packages, what do i do?
[19:35]  * TuX_Claudiu is Away, Reason: ( watching mouvi ) | Since: ( Sunday, December 16, 2007. 21:27:34 ) Xlack v2.1
[19:35] <jac0b> how come the kmenu doesn't update when I install wine apps
[19:35] <maliks7> my adept is constantly giving me an error msg that changes could not be committed coz it may break the packages, what do i do? how do install the adept from scratch? or get rid of this annoying msg?
[19:35] <jac0b> i see it in the menu editor but not in the kmenu
[19:38] <maninder> you know how you minimize how do you get that apple effect on linuxÉ
[19:38] <jac0b> does anyone know how to update the kmenu
[19:38] <lnxkde> guys
[19:39] <lnxkde> I need to know how I set up a instalation server to install Linux and WIndows from lan on to a pc?
[19:39] <lnxkde> my machines has kubuntu 7.10
[19:39] <Flare183> lnxkde:> ask in #ubuntu
[19:40] <socket> my also
[19:40] <makuseru> hi, when i try to run a program called dguitar i get this error,
[19:40] <makuseru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48476/ what does it mean, how can i fix it
[19:41] <socket> kubuntu is very good system ...also debian is better
[19:41] <ronnie_> testing
[19:42] <socket> yes
[19:42] <socket> testing/sid
[19:43] <socket> ou ...shit ...here is boredom ...
[19:44] <nosrednaekim> makuseru: you are doing to need some GTK libraries... but i'm not sure which ones
[19:44] <maninder> any one know about when minimize and get that apple effect on linux
[19:44] <maninder> any programs
[19:44] <B4S3M> when i tried to install HP 1020 .... it stop at arm2hpdl /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.img > /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.dl .... with error Permission denied .. anybody can help?
[19:44] <socket> bye-bye
[19:44] <ronnie_> any know a link to a free music download site, that dosent make you have to install a windows media player or some sort= exe. program,??
[19:45] <socket> wine
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> maninder: compiz will do it
[19:45] <maninder> so just google compiz É
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[19:45] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:46] <makuseru> nosrednaekim: how can i find out what lib i need?
[19:46] <ronnie_> k ill try that thx
[19:46] <BluesKaj> ronnie , w32codecs and mplayer should handle any windows media
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> makuseru: not really sure how did you install the program?
[19:46] <makuseru> add/remove
[19:47] <ronnie_> k , its not that i want to install anything, I just want a site to get music,
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> makuseru: really? and it has those errors? you may want to complain to #ubuntu-motu because it seems it didn't get the dependency checking right.
[19:48] <B4S3M> when i tried to install HP 1020 .... it stop at arm2hpdl /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.img > /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.dl .... with error Permission denied .. anybody can help?
[19:48] <slow-motion> hi
[19:49] <BluesKaj> well ronnie_ if the site contains windows media files that want to download , you'll still need those apps to play the files
[19:49] <Pollywog> B4S3M: are you installing as root?
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> makuseru: actually, try installing the "classpath-gtkpeer" package
[19:50] <Pollywog> B4S3M: or using sudo?
[19:50] <happytiger> poison--: -- <happytiger, did u installed the kubuntu restricted package ---Yes i did
[19:50] <poison--> i used to have that issue, but after i installed that package right it worked fine
[19:51] <makuseru> nosrednaekim: same error
[19:51] <B4S3M> Pollywog: amd using sudo..
[19:51] <B4S3M> Pollywog: am using sudo..
[19:51] <happytiger> poison--: oki didnt fix my error
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> makuseru: yeah. then its a packaging issue
[19:52] <Pollywog> B4S3M: the package you are trying to install is for Ubuntu?
[19:52] <happytiger> tried purgin out vlc and flashplugin and firefox
[19:52] <happytiger> but still screwede
[19:53] <B4S3M> no ..  kubuntu Gutsy ?
[19:53] <Pollywog> k
[19:54] <Pollywog> I am not sure why it won't install, did you google the error?
[19:57] <B4S3M> 2 days in a row :S
[19:58] <B4S3M> it was workin in old versions ... but on gutsy i cudn`t
[20:00] <sigma_kubuntu> anyone using a dell d600 here?
[20:01] <Pollywog> B4S3M: I would ask the maintainer of the package
[20:01] <B4S3M> now or later ?
[20:01] <Pollywog> email them
[20:02] <Pollywog> or you can try building the package from the deb-src package in Feisty
[20:03] <Pollywog> if Feisty's package was working for you
[20:03] <B4S3M> am not that professional :S
[20:04] <B4S3M> tell how to contact them please :)
[20:04] <Pollywog> what is the name of the package?
[20:05] <NickPresta> B4S3M, you will probably have better luck compiling the package yourself instead of talking to the maintainer.
[20:05] <Pollywog> NickPresta: he says he is not that "professional"
[20:06] <NickPresta> Then I suggest he goes back to Feisty, if it was working for him or pastebin his question and related resources and see if someone nice will compile him a deb package :)
[20:06] <Pollywog> NickPresta: k
[20:06] <limac> hello
[20:07] <Pollywog> B4S3M: when a new version of *ubuntu comes out, sometimes things get broken
[20:08] <Pollywog> B4S3M: have you updated your system lately?
[20:08] <Schuenemann> hey
[20:08] <Schuenemann> which program can I use to convert my mp3 and audio cd's to ogg?
[20:08] <Pollywog> sometimes an update will fix those problems
[20:09] <kg7fu> hola sportsfans
[20:10] <kg7fu> when I plug my nextar 512mb mp3 player into a usb port I get "cannot mount volume" mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda
[20:11] <kg7fu> however my sony usb media vault mounts just fine!
[20:12] <kg7fu> anyone?
[20:12] <B4S3M> Pollywog: yea ..updated
[20:14] <kg7fu> anyone?
[20:15] <Flare183> kg7fu:> format the thing
[20:15] <kg7fu> it already has been formatte4d and has tunes on it
[20:15] <Flare183> i guess
[20:15] <Flare183> beats me
[20:15] <MGalaxy> How can I set a .iso file as a repository?
[20:15] <Pollywog> B4S3M: there is a lot of material about your printer on the Ubuntu forums
[20:16] <kg7fu> I guess what I need is mount options for removeable usb vfat drives?
[20:17] <kg7fu> according to the device manual:
[20:17] <kg7fu> 3. Linux 2.4.0 + / Mac 8.6 + Installation
[20:17] <kg7fu> No Driver is required for these operating systems. Simply plug the device into
[20:17] <kg7fu> the USB port and the system will automatically find it.
[20:18] <kg7fu> finds it yes
[20:18] <Pollywog> B4S3M: look at this, it's not about Gutsy but perhaps it will help you
[20:18] <kg7fu> mounts it no
[20:18] <Pollywog> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=316758
[20:19] <kbrooks> Schuenemann, hey
[20:19] <Dr_willis> kg7fu,  you could alwyas mount it manually as root. Or perhaps look in system://media  (i think)
[20:19] <kbrooks> Schuenemann, http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/687/ # does this answer your question?
[20:20] <kg7fu> let's try root
[20:20] <Dr_willis> common mount options for a vfat usb drive  would be the use of umask and dmask, and perhaps the 'user' option. in a fstab entry
[20:20] <Schuenemann> kbrooks, I was looking for cd tracks too... and with a frontend
[20:21] <kbrooks> Schuenemann, uhhh, have you tried inserting the CD and looking in the CD with konqueror for directories
[20:21] <kg7fu> ok it needs root to mount...so I guess change fstab entry to user rw should suffice?
[20:21] <Schuenemann> kbrooks, I have soundkonverter... but it always crash
[20:21] <kbrooks> Schuenemann, if they are not there, you need to get packages that help
[20:22] <kbrooks> Schuenemann, the directory you're looking for is OGG
[20:22] <Dr_willis> kg7fu,  thers dozens of optiosn. :) depends on exactly what you are doing
[20:23] <kg7fu> just want users to be able to auto-mount mp3 player
[20:23] <kg7fu> should be intuitive
[20:23] <Schuenemann> kbrooks, why would I have such a directory
[20:23] <Schuenemann> ?
[20:23] <kg7fu> :P
[20:23] <kbrooks> Schuenemann, it's fake
[20:24] <kbrooks> Schuenemann, and added by konqui
[20:24] <Dr_willis> AUTOmounting is not handles by the fstab file. They sould still manyually need to mount it.
[20:24] <Schuenemann> kbrooks, where is it?
[20:24] <kg7fu> well the media vaults auto mount
[20:24] <Dr_willis> In theory they should be able to plug the device in and it just pop up a dialog asking to view files. that would moun tit.
[20:25] <kg7fu> and they're basically the same thing
[20:25] <kg7fu> a usb flash device
[20:25] <Dr_willis> Not sure why that breaks with some devices
[20:25] <kbrooks> Schuenemann, in order for konqui to add that directory, you need packages that help konqueror convert the files to ogg when you copy them
[20:26] <Schuenemann> kbrooks, konqueror is a file browser... I don't think it can convert anything
[20:26] <Dr_willis> there are kioslaves for konqueror that do that work . I belive.
[20:26] <kg7fu> rhythmbox is pretty good for after it's mounted
[20:26] <kbrooks> sc0tch, well, be shocked: it can
[20:27] <kbrooks> bbl
[20:28] <kg7fu> thatnks guys! (& gal)
[20:28] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: What konq does is have hooks to call the various conversion utils.
[20:28] <kg7fu> cheers!
[20:28] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, ahh... explained
[20:28] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: It's part of the virtual filesystem concept, files that don't actually exist until they're called for.
[20:28] <kg7fu> <kg7fu splits like panties on prom nite> <poof!>
[20:29] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, well, I want to convert my mp3 and cd tracks to ogg
[20:29] <Schuenemann> appearently, kaudiocreator did it... I just have to find where the output was sent to :-)
[20:32] <Schuenemann> kbrooks, kaudiocreator works fine
[20:34] <rakan> Hello\
[20:34] <rakan> how can i share my laptop DVD with a windows desktop PC? i am using kubuntu 7.10
[20:36] <tehm0nk> !dualmonitor
[20:36] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[20:36] <tehm0nk> !xinerama
[20:36] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[20:36] <tehm0nk> which way should i go about that if i want like 2 windows?
[20:36] <tehm0nk> is it possible to have 2 desktops?
[20:37] <tehm0nk> 1 on each monitor?
[20:38] <romunov> can someone help me with ssh?
[20:38] <romunov> i need to logon to a remote machine via ssh
[20:39] <B4S3M> anyidea how can i find HP laserjet 1020 PPD file ?
[20:42] <Arilou> hi hi! ^_^
[20:42] <tehm0nk> hi
[20:42] <tehm0nk> Arilou: do you know anything about dual monitors?
[20:43] <TooEarly> I have a ATI TV Wonder and i'm using my lineout from my tv tuner to my mic in and the audio is constantly on. how would i fix this?
[20:43] <Arilou> I had mine like that on windows, that was one of the questions I was hoping getting answered here
[20:43] <tehm0nk> Arilou: well lets work together on it
[20:43] <tehm0nk> Arilou: !xinerama
[20:43] <tehm0nk> er
[20:44] <tehm0nk> !xinerama | Arilou
[20:44] <ubotu> Arilou: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[20:44] <Arilou> thanks a lot ubotu
[20:45] <Arilou> I'm opening the FAQ document on the top of the page here, else I'd swarm you with questions since I'm lost =P
[20:45] <romunov> what program is similar to winscp on kubuntu?
[20:45] <romunov> i need a gui ssh program
[20:45] <jussi01> !ssh
[20:45] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[20:45] <BluesKaj> TooEarly, don't use the mic input, that's the wrong input for line level ,.. use the line in , I have the same setup .. just lower the input ctrl volume in kimaix or alsamixer
[20:45] <tehm0nk> Arilou: ubotu is a bot :-P
[20:45] <B4S3M> anyidea how can i find HP laserjet 1020 PPD file ?
[20:45] <jussi01> romunov: konqueror does ssh
[20:45] <BluesKaj> err kmix
[20:46] <romunov> dang, i've uninstalled it :D
[20:46] <jussi01> B4S3M: I think there is one on linuxprinting
[20:46] <Arilou> oh lol, thanks a lot tehm0nk
[20:46] <TooEarly> BluesKaj: i can't seem to get the audio working when i use the line in
[20:46] <Arilou> !mount
[20:46] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[20:46] <TooEarly> that's the thing
[20:46] <Arilou> !DiskMounter
[20:46] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[20:46] <BluesKaj> B4S3M, PPD
[20:46] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:47] <tehm0nk> does anyone know if it is possible to have a non dualview dual monitor setup?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> check your input tab on kmix , make sure line in is lit up in green and the slider is at 70% , same goes for alsamixer
[20:47] <tehm0nk> like 2 desktops?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> TooEarly, did you get that above ?
[20:48] <ogre> what do i type in terminal to update sources?
[20:48] <TooEarly> BluesKaj: I don't have any green LED's in kmix i only have red ones
[20:49] <BluesKaj> TooEarly,click on the lights at the top of the ctrls
[20:49] <ogre> err i meant konsole
[20:50] <TooEarly> BluesKaj: there aren't lights at the top
[20:50] <BluesKaj> TooEarly, type alsamixer in the konsole
[20:51] <TooEarly> yeah
[20:51] <TooEarly> you want me in the capture or playback
[20:53] <BluesKaj> ok TooEarly , do this first k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[20:53] <B4S3M> BluesKaj: yea PPD
[20:53] <BluesKaj> what's PPD?
[20:53] <BluesKaj> driver
[20:54] <sinthetek> i was hoping someone could perhaps help me with an issue getting fdisk to run on my /home partition
[20:54] <B4S3M> PPD file for HP printer 1020
[20:54] <sinthetek> err...s/fdisk/fsck
[20:54] <TooEarly> BluesKaj:  alright, done
[20:54] <sinthetek> for some reason it is saying/thinking the partition is mounted while it isn't
[20:54] <Arilou> tehm0nk: have you tried right clicking the speakier icon near the clock at the start bar in the botton right corner of the screen?
[20:54] <sinthetek> (or while it shouldn't be, rather)
[20:56] <BluesKaj> TooEarly, now in alsamixer in the konsole, make sure nothing is muted witj "M" , use the M key to unmute the ctrls . Once unmuted they'll have a "00"
[20:56] <rakan> how to share CD rom with windows?
[20:57] <rakan> i think i got it to work but it is asking for a username and password from windows?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> B4S3M, still don't know what you mean by a PPD file ..printer driver ?
[20:57] <B4S3M> BluesKaj: dunno its file suppoed to be found in foo2zs while installing the printer but i dunno where it is
[20:57] <sinthetek> rakan: http, smb or cifs
[20:57] <Steakk> is the Kubuntu 7.10 DVD an install disk, as well as Live CD/DVD ?
[20:57] <NekoHimeKisu> Complete user error has obliterated Network, can only connect from live CD
[20:57] <TooEarly> BluesKaj: alright, everything is unmuted
[20:57] <NekoHimeKisu> :(
[20:57] <Steakk> Or is it strictly install?  (I've never tried kubuntu before, and wanna give it a shot)
[20:57] <tehm0nk> Arilou: what about that?
[20:57] <NekoHimeKisu> OUCH
[20:58] <rakan> sinthetek: already done
[20:58] <rakan> i am using samba
[20:58] <NekoHimeKisu> any way to reinstall network manager net tools from live cd to main install
[20:58] <NekoHimeKisu> ??
[20:58] <rakan> but it is not letting me logon to the cd rom
[20:58] <rakan> asking for a username or password
[20:58] <NekoHimeKisu> total newb
[20:58] <BluesKaj> B4S3M, a lot of ppl forget to set the driver in the wizard might be hpjis or something similar
[20:59] <Arilou> tehm0nk: open the mixer to select the channels so you can mute the audio from tv
[21:00] <tehm0nk> i dont have a tv card... i was talking about dual monitoring
[21:00] <BluesKaj> too early set the "line" ctrl slider to about 70% and plug the audio feeed in to line in on your soundcard
[21:01] <B4S3M> BluesKaj: i tried hpjis ... an error occured saying restart CUPS manager
[21:01] <TooEarly> BluesKaj: ok it's about 70 and i still got no sound
[21:03] <tehm0nk> is it possible to run dolphin in admin mode or something?
[21:03] <BluesKaj> ok, TooEarly check in kmix , make sure the "line in" is lit up
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> afternoon BluesKaj
[21:04] <BluesKaj> TooEarly, that's as much as I know how to do , unless your alsa isn't seeing the soundcard
[21:04] <BluesKaj>  hi nosrednaekim
[21:04] <Arilou> diskmounter tool says it is risky to try write mode on windows (NTFS) partitions, but how risky it is for users like me who only want to read and store stuff?
[21:05] <BluesKaj> well, time to watch some tv with wifey ...BBL
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> Arilou: its actually pretty stable.
[21:05] <TooEarly> BluesKaj: everything is like you said but still not working
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> Arilou: just be smart...make periodic backups, and all should be fine (i've never heard a complaint)
[21:06] <Arilou> nosrednaekim: oh no, I already click 'no', can I run again the diskmounter scritp and answer 'yes' this time?
[21:06] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, could you help TooEarly , I have to go , thx :)
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> Arilou: probably....
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly: whats the problem?
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: ok.. no problem
[21:07] <sigma_kubuntu> whats the best way to backup kubuntu?
[21:07] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: well i have my tv tuner output to the line input on my audigy and i am not getting sound
[21:07] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: but when i plug it into the mic in it works but the sound is always playing
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly: this TV tuner is on your computer?
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly: what do you mean the sound is always playing?you can't turn it off?
[21:07] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: it's an ATI TV Wonder - PCI slot
[21:08] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: (this is only when it's plugged into the mic in) and i can turn it off by muting the AMic in alsamixer/kmix
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly:  so what is the problem?
[21:09] <TooEarly> well, BluesKaj said i should use the mic in and the line in doesn't work for me. and shouldn't the audio shut off when my tv program is closed (tvtime)
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly:  no, it shouldn't.
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> Line In doesn't always work for me either for some reason.
[21:10] <JRlinux> trying Kubuntu live on nearby computer.  Looking to install Audacity.  That package is not found.  So No Audacity on kubuntu?
[21:10] <Manad> hi..I'm in trouble.
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: yeah, its in there run "sudo apt-get update" and then try to install it
[21:11] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: so you're saying that i'm just going to have to use the mic in and have to manually do it everytime
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> Manad: whats the problem
[21:11] <Manad> I was installing a new desk, so I removed all the wires on my PC, then put them all back when done. Now, when I get to the logon screen (Kubuntu wallpaper, prompting me for a username and password), after I login, it logs back out immediately.
[21:11] <JRlinux> nosrednaekim, OK, thanks
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly:  yeah, well, you could probably write up a script to mute it when you close tvtime..
[21:11] <Manad> The only thing that's different is which USB ports my mouse/keyboard/monitor-usb were plugged into
[21:12] <Manad> how could THAT break Kubuntu?
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> Manad: monitor USB?
[21:12] <Manad> I was able to login by doing a failsafe login, then launching Xsession from the terminal (although it's XFCE, not KDE)
[21:12] <x_bruno> hello
[21:12] <Manad> nosrednaekim: my monitor has USB ports which you can use if you connect a USB cable from the monitor to one of the PC's real USB ports.
[21:13] <x_bruno> since distro upgrade, some of my programs that use glib do not work, the menus do not display any text
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> Manad: ah..ok I see
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> x_bruno: which menus... the programs that use glib?
[21:14] <Manad> any "repair" operations I can perform on KDE?
[21:14] <x_bruno> ecclipse, scite, ePDFviewer
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> Manad: hmm I'm not sure what the problem is, do you have any other users on the computer?
[21:14] <Manad> none, just me
[21:14] <x_bruno> I only see squares for the menus
[21:14] <x_bruno> the strings do not display
[21:15] <x_bruno> such as file, edit, etc
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> Manad: ok, try this, "cp ~/.kde ~/.kde-backup"
[21:15] <Manad> kdm_greet is not launching. I got an error at one point (although it usually kicks me back to the login screen without any errors).
[21:15] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim:
[21:15] <Manad> says "omitting directory /home/user1/.kde
[21:15] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: does this cause a problem? -- Unable to find simple control 'capture'
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> Manad: ah "cp -R ~/.kde ~/.kde-backup"
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly: whats giving that error?
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> Manad: kdm_greet? hmm
[21:16] <Manad> allright, no errors this time, but nothing's happening. Should I reboot?
[21:16] <xst> Is it possible to get Xorg7.3 on gutsy?
[21:17] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: amixer set Capture,0 100%,100% captur
[21:17] <x_Bruce> hello again
[21:17] <x_Bruce> nosrednaekim: , you wre saying about the menus_
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> xst: not really
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> x_Bruce: are those gtk apps?
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> well,ecclipse is java..
[21:18] <x_Bruce> I would believe so
[21:18] <xst> Damn - dual screen configuration really sucks at the moment :-(
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly: which application is giving that output?
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> xst: go to hardy :D
[21:19] <Manad> nos, should I reboot now, after I did that cp command?
[21:19] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: i'm typing that in a terminal
[21:19] <TooEarly> amixer is the application
[21:19] <xst> nosrednaekim: Has hardy xorg7.3 already? Or will xorg7.3 first be included in a later release?
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> TooEarly: ahh,ok. well it seems you don't have the caputre control, which controls the input levels on Line In (I think)
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> xst: hardy is already 7.3
[21:20] <xst> Great
[21:20] <JRlinux> nosrednaekim, I did the update, but the Adept installer still can't find it... so I do "sudo apt-get install Audacity" ?
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> without the capital Z
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> *A
[21:20] <JRlinux> OK
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> !info audacity
[21:20] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2321 kB, installed size 6832 kB
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: well, your universe repository may not be enabled
[21:21] <JRlinux> How do I enable it?
[21:21] <TooEarly> nosrednaekim: yeah i just read something that said the audigy's don't have that for lline in
[21:21] <TooEarly> oh well.. i guess mic will do
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> ah
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: adept_manager->adept->manage repositories
[21:23] <JRlinux> is
[21:24] <x_Bruce> so any info about this font issue?
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> x_Bruce: no idea
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> x_Bruce: are the apps spitting out any errors?
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: is what?
[21:26] <JRlinux> nosrednaekim, OK, I guess.  In the adept installer I clicked "Edit Software Sourdes" and I now click ""Community-Maintained Open Source software (universe)?  And then to get lame and lame libraries I click on the multiverse ?
[21:26] <x_Bruce> no
[21:26] <Manad> nosrednaekim: that fixed my problem. What did that command do?
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> just check em all :D
[21:27] <x_Bruce> the only issue is that instead of text, you have squares
[21:27] <JRlinux> Right, OK
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> Manad: erased all of your KDE configs.
[21:27] <Manad> excellent. saved for future reference.
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> Manad: they are stored in a back-up though
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> just in case you use Kmail, or kopete or konqueror, that would have erased all your settings
[21:28] <Manad> still not sure why this happened. It's as if this problem was unrelated to me unplugging all the wires.
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> Manad: i've  seen it happen occasionally.
[21:28] <JRlinux> nosrednaekim, I have been fighting getting Audacity/lame libraries installed in PCLinuxOS 2007-- and much frustration, so trying Kubuntu.  Good luck to me!
[21:28] <Manad> well ,thanks for your help
[21:28] <Manad> ciao
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> bye
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: yup... its pretty easy in kubuntu.:D good luck
[21:31] <JRlinux> I checked them all-- waited... But Adept does not find it... I guess I go to apt-get?
[21:33] <segfault2k> is safe to install kubuntu kde 4 packages in a debian sid box ?
[21:33] <segfault2k> or i can screw up my system with that XD
[21:33] <mluser-home> How can I have adept ignore an update, so that it never prompts me for that update again?
[21:33] <Riddell> segfault2k: I'd recomment installing the Debian KDE 4 packages
[21:34] <JRlinux> apt-get couldn't find package audacity
[21:34] <lucky_lucas> Riddell: Any backport of bzr 1.0 in gutsy ?
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: you have to reload the package lists
[21:35] <tlayton> hey all. i can get kde 4 startkde to work in xephyr, but when choose from kdm, i just get a white screen with a light blue bar at the bottom. any ideas?
[21:35] <Riddell> lucky_lucas: I've no idea
[21:35] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: either the update button in adept or " sudo apt-get update"
[21:35] <JRlinux> OK
[21:35] <Riddell> tlayton: sounds like kwin composite doing the wrong thing
[21:35] <Riddell> I'm not sure how you'd tell it not to though
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: erase your .kde4
[21:36] <lucky_lucas> Riddell: Ok thanks fine, thank you for your tutorial day
[21:36] <Arilou> how do I make sure linux-restricted-modules-generic and restricted-manager-kde are both installed ?
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> Arilou: "apt-cache policy <packagename>"
[21:37] <Arilou> nosrednaekim: I type that on the terminal?
[21:37] <nosrednaekim> Arilou: correct
[21:37] <Arilou> nosrednaekim: Thanks a lot! ^_^
[21:38] <nosrednaekim> Arilou: figure out the NTFS problem?
[21:38] <tlayton> nosrednaekim: tried that. have a separate "clean" user from my normal one. btw, i'm on hardy
[21:38] <segfault2k> Riddell but the KDE 4 Debian Packages (in xperimental) are broken :(
[21:39] <Arilou> nosrednaekim: yup yup, I can see my hard drives and their content now, I haven't tried writting an archive though
[21:39] <segfault2k> but whatever, i'll have to wait XD
[21:39] <mluser-home> is there a gentoo /etc/portage/package.mask equivalent in kubuntu?
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> segfault2k: load kubuntu ;)
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> mluser-home: eh... whats that do?
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> mluser-home: for manually unmasked files?
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> *programs
[21:40] <mluser-home> nosrednaekim: it blacklists a file so that the update managers will never prompt for it again
[21:40] <segfault2k> nosrednaekim i dont want to reinstall my linux box only to have kde4
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> segfault2k: heh, grab the kde4 liveCD and run it from virtualbox
[21:40] <segfault2k> and truly i dont like kubuntu, yeah kubuntu rocks but i dont know why i dont like it XD
[21:40] <virnik> can somebody help me with hint, how can I lookup for biggest file or directory under tty? without graphic?
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> virnik: "man du"
[21:41] <mluser-home> nosrednaekim: the opposite.. I want to mask a file of a specific version so that adept will not prompt me to upgrade it again
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> mluser-home: ah yes, you can lock packages.
[21:41] <mluser-home> nosrednaekim: how?
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> just a second,
[21:41] <tlayton> riddell: the composite thing sounds likely. btw, i've tried both kdm and kdm-kde4 (both are currently installed but configured for kde4). not sure if that matters or not
[21:42] <ogre> is there any repos that have avant-window-navigator ?
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> !AWN
[21:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:42] <virnik> nosrednaekim: thx
[21:42] <mluser-home> nosrednaekim: by lock do you mean lock the application at a specific version? is so.. thats not exactly what I want.  I want to block a specific version which is available for upgrade, but I want to allow future upgrades when they become available
[21:43] <ogre> !avant
[21:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:43] <ogre> !avant-window-navigator
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> mluser-home: ah.... yeah, I don't know how to do that, probably possible.
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> ogre: anyway, yes, trevino has the packages
[21:43] <mluser-home> nosrednaekim: well thanks for your help
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> mluser-home: let me look around a bit..k?
[21:44] <mluser-home> nosrednaekim: ok
[21:44] <ogre> nosrednaekim: is trevino recommended again?
[21:44] <romunov> when i try to ssh from konqueror, i get this error: Error encountered while talking to ssh.
[21:44] <romunov> any ideas?
[21:45] <mluser-home> nosrednaekim: btw with aptitude I can do this "sudo aptitude forbid-version flashplugin-nonfree=9.0.115.0ubuntu0.7.10", I just need a way to do this with adept too :)
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> mluser-home: since you are a gentoo user I assume you are no stranger to man pages... read the one for "apt_preferences"
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> mluser-home: oh... well there is no way to do it in adepot
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> mluser-home: but I think of you set a apt-get preference, adept will follow it.
[21:46] <JRlinux> nosrednaekim, 'failed in buffer write," etc.    Not enough RAM in this machine for an install of Audacity on a live Kubuntu?  Is that it?
[21:46] <tehm0nk> anyone here got dual monitors?
[21:46] <mluser-home> nosrednaekim: Thank you for your help, I will look it up now
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: yeah, could be,
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: got all those RAID trobles sorted out?
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: how much RAM?
[21:47] <JRlinux> 256
[21:47] <virnik> something takes my disk out, and fill it with data. can somebody tell me how can I find out, where are theese data saved?
[21:47] <tehm0nk> nosrednaekim: sorta ya
[21:47] <virnik> or how to list biggest files in system?
[21:47] <tlayton> riddell: also, i was the one last week getting the symbol lookup errors. turns out the libQt* fail when /opt/nessus/lib is in the ld.so.conf file
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> JRlinux: haha yeah, way too little
[21:47] <efren> algun español
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> virnik: its probably logs in /var
[21:48] <nosrednaekim> virnik: also, run "sudo apt-get clean"
[21:48] <JRlinux> OK, I will try installing it on my hdb ... and then give it a try again.  Thanks, nosrednaekim !
[21:48] <nosrednaekim> !es
[21:48] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[21:48] <tehm0nk> nosrednaekim: i formatting it all and redid it, twice now i have got it to install all the way
[21:48] <ogre> is trevino repo recommended again? I remember alot of people saying it wasnt recommended due to broken packages in #ubuntu
[21:48] <nosrednaekim> ogre: I think its fine..
[21:48] <ogre> hmmm...
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> ogre: maybe I can find another repo
[21:49] <Manad> I don't have Windows anymore...which font did Firefox use on Windows? The webpages look a little bit "off" to me, I want to change the font to whatever Firefox Windows uses.
[21:49] <tehm0nk> nosrednaekim: do you know anything about dual monitoring more than the !command lol
[21:49] <virnik> nosrednaekim: i have done that
[21:49] <ogre> i am on kde for my first day today. just switched from ubuntu and am trying to get used to it
[21:49] <virnik> nosrednaekim: its nothing to do with logs or apt repos
[21:50] <Riddell> tlayton: what's /opt/nessus/lib ?
[21:50] <Schuenemann> Manad, aren't they small or something?
[21:50] <Manad> yeah they are
[21:50] <Riddell> tlayton: kdm-kde4 actually works?
[21:50] <virnik> nosrednaekim: its on my server...so it is why I am looking for way how to destroy this...it can be some programm, or rootkit
[21:50] <jac0b> is there a bug with the kmenu
[21:50] <Schuenemann> Manad, you can change the default size in preference
[21:50] <Schuenemann> preferences
[21:51] <nosrednaekim> virnik: oh... well du should tell you.
[21:51] <jac0b> does anyone kow how to edit the kmenu and make it save
[21:51] <jac0b> know*
[21:51] <scheater5> ogre: sorry, popping into the convo late - you trying to get avant working on gutsy?
[21:52] <_Sebulba_> jac0b:  right click on the k menu
[21:52] <_Sebulba_> then menu editor
[21:52] <ogre> scheater5:  yeah
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: nixternal reported it to work as well..
[21:53] <virnik> nosrednaekim: ok, I will look to it
[21:53] <_Sebulba_> right click to delete, or drag and drop to move. when ur happy, under "file" theres a save icon, that will update ur menu
[21:54] <charlesg3> Hi, I'm having trouble getting the WMII window manager to work with kdm. I checked the /usr/share/xsessions/wmii.desktop file and it seems to be correct. however whenever i select wmii in kdm it still just loads kde
[21:55] <tlayton> riddell: nessus is a security scanner. saw it in a linux format awhile ago, and just wanted to try it out. i don't believe it's in the repos.
[21:55] <ardchoille> !info nessus | tlayton
[21:55] <ubotu> tlayton: nessus: Remote network security auditor, the client. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.9-2 (gutsy), package size 222 kB, installed size 576 kB
[21:55] <ogre> scheater5:  have any ideas for me?
[21:56] <MrJigsaw> Hello, when i try to run the ubuntu Amd64 version ( i have and Amd64 x2 cpu ) i get to choose "Start or install kubuntu" and then it loades the linux kernel 100%, switches to next page and then its just black screen.. Can i fix this anyhow?
[21:56] <MrJigsaw> Kubuntu i meant ofc. :)
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw: did you try starting in safe graphics mode?
[21:56] <MrJigsaw> Yes
[21:56] <tlayton> riddell:  the diff i noticed between kdm (all white screen when logging in) and kdm-kde4 (the light blue bar when logging in)
[21:56] <MrJigsaw> Same thing happend
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw: what graphics card do you have?
[21:57] <MrJigsaw> I tried  the "intel" too, it says some kind of bios bug..
[21:57] <MrJigsaw> Nvidia Geforce 7950GT from Asus
[21:58] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw: can you go to "ctrl+alt+f1"? and use the terminal?
[21:58] <MrJigsaw> oh.. i cant try right now.. but ill try tommorow evening :/
[21:59] <tlayton> ubotu: i had both the nessus 3.0.6 and nessus client 3.0.0 beta 3 installed. both are gone now
[21:59] <ardchoille> !bot | tlayton
[21:59] <ubotu> tlayton: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw: ok, when you are in there, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" select the vesa driver, and then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[21:59] <_Sebulba_> anyone found a way to stop the kdm or gdm login screen from moving when the pointer moves?
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: MOVING?
[22:00] <ardchoille> _Sebulba_: Really?
[22:00] <MrJigsaw> Okay nosrednaekim..
[22:00] <_Sebulba_> yeah, it's like it's being dragged
[22:00] <_Sebulba_> try it, log out
[22:00] <_Sebulba_> then move the pointer
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: like, its bigger than your screen?
[22:00] <_Sebulba_> no, the size is right, just the login part moves like it's being dragged
[22:01] <_Sebulba_> it works fine
[22:01] <scheater5> ogre: sorry I took so long - internet dropped
[22:01] <_Sebulba_> its just rather annoying
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: what?
[22:01] <scheater5> ogre: but yes, I do have an idea for you
[22:01] <ogre> scheater5:  no big deal
[22:01] <ogre> nice. is it getdeb?
[22:01] <_Sebulba_> look, try it for urself. log out then move the mouse around the screen
[22:01] <scheater5> ogre: I got avant working by compiling from source, as per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=385981
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: does it only move when your pointer gets close to the sides?
[22:02] <ogre> ahhh sounds fun
[22:02] <_Sebulba_> what I get is the part u type ur name and pasword into moves like it's being dragged
[22:02] <ogre> ill give it a try
[22:02] <scheater5> ...or perhaps is was kiba I had to compile...neway that forum posting has your answer
[22:02] <_Sebulba_> nosrednaekim:  yes
[22:03] <ogre> ogre:  what about getdeb.net?
[22:03] <_Sebulba_> i guess it varies depending on where the pointer was on the screen when u log out, sometimes it's already off center
[22:03] <ogre> scheater5: what about getdeb.net?
[22:03] <scheater5> never used it, but I have occasionally downloaded individual files from packages.debian.org.  I tend to prefer a repo when possible because of potential dependence problems
[22:03] <_Sebulba_> kdm seems better than gdm at this but they both do it
[22:04] <jsl> uhm... for some reason firefox and thunderbird have stopped working for me. I've tried purging the profiles, the program and -safe-mode, but are unable of finding any error messages anywhere... any ideas as to where to start looking?
[22:04] <girolamo> !italia
[22:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about italia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:04] <girolamo> !italiano
[22:04] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: yeah... its an X problem of some sort, wrong resolution somewhere
[22:04] <_Sebulba_> alrighty, so it's fixable then?
[22:05] <_Sebulba_> i've had it with every distro except pclinuxos
[22:05] <_Sebulba_> for whatever reason, it behaved
[22:06] <ogre> how do i install .deb files? anything similar to fileroller for gnome?
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> _Sebulba_: somehow :D
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> ogre: gdebi-kde
[22:07] <ardchoille> ogre: You can double-click a .deb package, but have you checked the repos first to see if the app is there?
[22:07] <rothchild> I've got a problem with the login manager, it only gives me 'log out' in kde and takes me back to kdm rather than allowing me to shutdown directly from kde, how do I get shutdown back?
[22:07] <_Sebulba_> ty
[22:07] <ogre> ardchoille:  yeah I'm trying to install AWN
[22:07] <scheater5> you just download and then click on them.
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: are you using XGL?
[22:07] <ardchoille> ogre: Ah, ok, I don't think that is in the repos
[22:08] <rothchild> yes
[22:08] <rothchild> compiz with nvdia, that's xgl isn't it?
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: known problem with XGL.... you have an ATI?
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: not unless you installed xserver-xgl
[22:09] <rothchild> can I take it out without borking compiz if I have got it installed?
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: if you have an nvidia, yes
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: lets see if you have it installed run "apt-cache policy xserver-xgl"
[22:12] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> is there any howto about increasing kubuntu's speed? it works much slower than windows on AMD Athlon XP 2200+ with 768 MB RAM...
[22:12] <virnik> nosrednaekim: got it. almost five milions of tiny files under web folder in cache... grrrrrrrr hole in web pages...
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> Wilde_Sehnsucht: check whats using your CPU and ram with  the alt+esc taskmanager
[22:12] <rothchild> I can see it's installed in adept
[22:13] <romunov> gnome runs much slower than kde for me... i wonder what's the difference...? :>
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: ok, uninstall that then
[22:14] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> nosrednaekim: firefox, X, and eclipse eats my cpu ...
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> virnik: heh :D
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> Wilde_Sehnsucht: are you using compiz?
[22:14] <rothchild> it's gone, I guess I need to restart x?
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: correcta-mundo
[22:15] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> nosrednaekim: it makes no sense if compiz is on or off. it runs the same speed
[22:15] <rothchild> ta, see you on the other side
[22:16] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> nosrednaekim: i compare the speed of my kubuntu at work which runs on Intel 3GHZ with 1GB RAM...there's a big difference...very big...
[22:17] <_Sebulba_> Wilde_Sehnsucht: mixing gnome and kde apps can slow it down
[22:17] <_Sebulba_> i try to stick to qt apps in kde
[22:17] <_Sebulba_> and gtk+ in gnome
[22:17] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> _Sebulba_: really? i didn't know about that O_o
[22:17] <_Sebulba_> its extra libraries
[22:17] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> oh..
[22:18] <_Sebulba_> sticking to native apps it already has the libraries there
[22:18] <rakan> Hello
[22:18] <_Sebulba_> using non-native apps it needs to use extra libraries
[22:18] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> I see
[22:18] <_Sebulba_> which can take up resources
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> hello rakan
[22:18] <rakan> How can i share my DVD rom to be accessed by Windows? i used samba and windows sees the drive
[22:18] <rakan> but it's asking me for a password
[22:18] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> but i can't stop using firefox :(
[22:18] <_Sebulba_> in modern pc's it's usually neglegable difference
[22:19] <_Sebulba_> but it can make a difference in slower or older pcs
[22:19] <_Sebulba_> lol
[22:19] <_Sebulba_> some are platform agnostic, firefox is one of them
[22:19] <_Sebulba_> so is openoffice
[22:19] <ogre> how do i add apps to run when i boot up. the gnome version is called "sessions"
[22:20] <_Sebulba_> i refuse to browse the web without firefox
[22:20] <rothchild> log out now working, thanks again
[22:20] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> _Sebulba_: :)
[22:23] <tehm0nk> any dual monitor gurus around?
[22:24] <virnik> nosrednaekim: but still, there is something different...i got still 100% / usage...and cant find biggest dir or file...
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: nah, they passed out from exhaustion :D
[22:25] <tehm0nk> well i dont wanna screw this up again
[22:25] <tehm0nk> between trying to mess with my nvidia settings and compiz i killed my last install
[22:26] <tehm0nk> really trying to make it one day before killing it again.
[22:26] <tehm0nk> misewell not touch it then huh... lol
[22:31] <gabriel_> does anyone recommend a file manager that is better than dolphin?
[22:31] <_Sebulba_> konqurer
[22:31] <virnik> please, can somebody help me out? somethings is eating my free space on / - i have 100% usage now...cant find out what is it...its not log files, its not apt cache...
[22:31] <_Sebulba_> konquerer*
[22:32] <gabriel_> it a web browser as well right?
[22:32] <TimS> virnik: install filelight
[22:32] <_Sebulba_> yes, but u dont need to use it as a web browser
[22:32] <TimS> It will let you see what is taking up how much room
[22:32] <virnik> TimS: i dont know this app, but it is on server, over ssh and without X
[22:32] <virnik> TimS: ok, i will try
[22:33] <TimS> Dont
[22:33] <TimS> Its an X app
[22:33] <virnik> lol
[22:33] <TimS> You can run CLI yes?
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: thats seems safest :D
[22:33] <virnik> i cant even install it...cos I am out of space
[22:33] <_Sebulba_> i like konquerer as a file browser, but firefox as a web browser. there are profiles for each setting, so u can separate the functions easy
[22:33] <gabriel_> can i make the backbutton work there? i mean the mouse thumb button?
[22:33] <virnik> TimS: true...
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> gabriel_: probably
[22:33] <TimS> run "ls -ash" on /
[22:33] <gabriel_> in dolphin it seems u can't
[22:33] <TimS> Paste it into a query with me
[22:33] <virnik> gabriel_: yes, you can
[22:34] <virnik> TimS: I will try
[22:34] <_Sebulba_> dolphin was designed as a simplified konquerer file browser
[22:34] <Sajes> After installing Fluxbox (from apt) and logging in, right clicking the desktop brings no menu up; but the bar on the bottom is there. Any suggestions?
[22:34] <_Sebulba_> it's not bad when u get used to it
[22:34] <TimS> I wish Dolphin was tabbed =[
[22:35] <_Sebulba_> yeah, tabs would be nice
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> the kde4 dolphin rocks
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> but not the kde3 version
[22:36] <_Sebulba_> I'd say give dolphin time to get used to it
[22:37] <_Sebulba_> it does still make me double take when I open home, and it's not konquerer, but after u get used to it....it's not too bad
[22:37] <gabriel_> virnik: do u know how?
[22:38] <gabriel_> nosrednaekim: oh there's a big differance?
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> gabriel_:usability-wise... huge
[22:39] <gabriel_> cool
[22:39] <gabriel_> so.. i can just upgrade to kde 4... or?
[22:39] <_Sebulba_> kde 4 is still not in final release yet
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> gabriel_: you can run dolphin4 from within kde3
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> but I don't reccomend it
[22:40] <_Sebulba_> it's due in january
[22:40] <_Sebulba_> i'd wait until at least then to try it
[22:40] <gabriel_> ah ok cool
[22:40] <gabriel_> i'm not in a rush :)
[22:40] <_Sebulba_> launched january 11th I believe
[22:40] <gabriel_> right
[22:41] <_Sebulba_> or better yet, wait until its considered stable enough to be included in a major distro as standard and try it then
[22:41] <charlesg3> for some reason it doesn't matter what 'session' i choose in KDM it ALWAYS loads KDE
 sure, remap your mouse in X
[22:42] <TimS> Crap
[22:42] <TimS> I just did ls -R by mistake, now its listing all my files!
[22:42] <gabriel_> virnik: back button is working in firefox already
[22:42] <tehm0nk> hmm thats odd... my kubuntu starts to boot on one monitor then finishes on another...
[22:42] <virnik> gabriel_: ah so...
[22:42] <gabriel_> virnik: doen't it mean it's mapped correctly?
[22:44] <virnik> gabriel_: yes, it means you got it correctly mapped
[22:44] <ogre> where do i edit themes?
[22:44] <_Sebulba_> ogre:  kcontrol
[22:45] <ogre> _Sebulba_:  thanks :)
[22:45] <_Sebulba_> np
[22:45] <gabriel_> virnik: any idea why it's not working in konq then
[22:47] <tehm0nk> !paste
[22:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:48] <virnik> gabriel_: cos konqueror do not use shortcut alt+left/alt+right
[22:48] <_Sebulba_> anyone here use knode?
[22:48] <gabriel_> hmpf
[22:49] <holycow> is this the channel that also handles kde4 beta questions?
[22:49] <holycow> the packages in the topic really work great now
[22:49] <holycow> was curious if that got separated out into a separate chan
[22:49] <LjL> no they weren't
[22:50] <tehm0nk> which Nvidia video card driver should i use?
[22:51] <ardchoille> tehm0nk: Which nvidia card do you have?
[22:51] <tehm0nk> nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new i have 2 8600GT's ?
[22:51] <Schuenemann> install nvidia-glx
[22:51] <tehm0nk> ok
[22:51] <charlesg3> I can load the failsafe session, but for every other session i choose in KDM it just loads KDE. I've checked /usr/share/xsessions and the files look correct
[22:51] <ardchoille> tehm0nk: nvidia-glx
[22:51] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[22:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:52] <Schuenemann> there used to be a list of cards and the respective packages there
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> no no! nvidia-glx-new for any 8xxx!
[22:52] <tehm0nk> which of the config modules should i use?
[22:52] <tehm0nk> OH
[22:52] <tehm0nk> ok
[22:52] <tehm0nk> :-D
[22:52] <tehm0nk> those are installed alread but i have no config module loaded
[22:53] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[22:53] <tehm0nk> which one?
[22:54] <Schuenemann> I suppose yours should be new
[22:54] <Schuenemann> since it's not there
[22:54] <Dragnslcr> I think nvidia-glx is only for the 4xxx cards
[22:55] <ardchoille> I have an nvidia GeForce 6200 and nvidia-glx works great
[22:55] <matttis> could someone with firefox 2.0.0.11 please look if the buttons above the edit field are displayed here:
[22:55] <matttis> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Axrb&action=edit
[22:56] <Schuenemann> edit field?
[22:56] <matttis> how should i call it ?
[22:56] <matttis> the edit box ?
[22:56] <matttis> i dont know
[22:57] <Schuenemann> I don't see any form, except for the search one
[22:57] <Schuenemann> maybe I should be logged?
[22:58] <matttis> what ?
[22:58] <Schuenemann> yes, there are many buttons there
[22:58] <Schuenemann> I wasn't logged in
[22:58] <matttis> you dont need to
[22:58] <Schuenemann> oh wait, I'm using 2.0.0.6
[22:58] <matttis> then its time to update :-)
[22:59] <Schuenemann> is it in the repos for feisty?
[22:59] <matttis> might be
[23:00] <matttis> i also added some sources for new versions
[23:00] <Schuenemann> I think only for gutsy
[23:00] <matttis> dont know how they are called
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> fiesty-backports might have any newer stuff
[23:01] <matttis> yes, backports
[23:02] <tehm0nk> nosrednaekim: you're definately right i just read up on that... the nvidia-glx drivers would have killed my install yet again
[23:02] <Schuenemann> I found it, but it's weird... I thought it would warn be if there are newer versions
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> lol
[23:02] <tehm0nk> which is what killed my install last night haha
[23:02] <tehm0nk> it would have messed up xserver
[23:02] <tehm0nk> :-P
[23:02] <TimS> How do I close a man page on the cli?
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> TimS: "q"
[23:03] <TimS> ty
[23:04] <ogre> how do i navigate through my home folder? I just see a desktop icon
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> ogre: thats all you have in your homeDIR then..
[23:05] <ogre> kk ill give it a go
[23:05] <ardchoille> ogre: View > Show Hidden Files
[23:06] <ardchoille> ogre: Not sure if you're using konqueror or dolphin but it works for both
[23:07] <ogre> im using dolphin. is konqueror any better?
[23:07] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[23:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:07] <ardchoille> ogre: Personal preference, but I feel konqueror is much better
[23:07] <fignew> depends what you want
[23:07] <wladek_> hey.. i'm trying to setup my two displays on my dual head video card so that i have an X screen on each instead of one big screen that straddles both displays.  the reason is when i launch windows they tend they launch overlapped on the two displays and full screen video is split between the two of them.  i have an nvidia card, twinview enabled, but i have a feeling i need to do some xorg.conf hacking to get this working the way i
[23:07] <wladek_>  want
[23:08] <fignew> but I agree with ardchoille :)
[23:08] <ardchoille> !find dual
[23:08] <ubotu> Found: duali, duali-data
[23:08] <wladek_> my current xorg.conf file is here: http://pastebin.org/11847
[23:08] <matttis> Schuenemann: how does it look like now ?
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> !dualhead | wladek_
[23:08] <ubotu> wladek_: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[23:09] <wladek_> cheers, will take a look
[23:09] <Schuenemann> matttis, as before
[23:09] <matttis> this sucks
[23:09] <matttis> wrote a bug report and now its worthless
[23:10] <sylvisj> hey, question
[23:10] <matttis> and i don't know which setting is wrong
[23:10] <sylvisj> How can I execute "modprobe -r nvidia; modprobe nvidia" on boot?
[23:10] <Schuenemann> matttis, http://imagebin.org/12438
[23:11] <maninder> any one know how to use compizÉ
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> maninder: yes...
[23:11] <maninder> well i installed it
[23:11] <maninder> and i cant find it now
[23:11] <matttis> Schuenemann: thanks
[23:12] <matttis> that is how it should look like :-)
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> maninder: what type of video card do you have?Nvidia, ATI or Intel?
[23:12] <maninder> ati
[23:12] <Schuenemann> matttis, aren't you blocking javascript?
[23:12] <matttis> no
[23:12] <Schuenemann> because the buttons vanish if I dod so
[23:12] <Schuenemann> do so*
[23:12] <level1> Hi, I can't change timezones in systemsettings. There is no apply button in the kcontrol module
[23:12] <level1> !timezone
[23:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timezone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> maninder: ok, how old of an ATI?
[23:13] <maninder> 9200 ati
[23:13] <maninder> i installed it
[23:13] <maninder> and it says installed but i cant find it
[23:13] <matttis> Schuenemann: i know, i looked at the source of the page
[23:14] <rothchild> I just uninstalled xserver-xgl to get my log in working and now all my menus in open office have gone all screwey, lots of 0000000. Any ideas?
[23:14] <Schuenemann> matttis, maybe an extensions is blocking it?
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: you had to reinstall xgl?
[23:14] <matttis> Schuenemann:  noscript is deactivated
[23:14] <rothchild> no it's still uninstalled
[23:15] <matttis> greasemonkey also, thats all
[23:15] <Schuenemann> hmm =/
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> maninder: well,try running this "compiz --replace"
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: are you still running compiz?
[23:15] <maninder> in the konsole
[23:15] <maninder> É
[23:15] <matttis> Schuenemann: i'll try something, i have got a last idea
[23:15] <rothchild> I had to re-size all my font settings, yes I'm still running compiz
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> maninder: yes
[23:16] <Schuenemann> matttis, suicide?
[23:16] <maninder> okay it works
[23:16] <maninder> but i cant fix the settings
[23:16] <sub[t]rnl> ccsm will open the settings
[23:16] <maninder> how do i do thatÉ
[23:16] <matttis> Schuenemann: than i wont see the buttons either :-)
[23:17] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: type ccsm in konsole
[23:17] <Schuenemann> :-]
[23:17] <matttis> Schuenemann: no, i will edit something out of my prefs.jsw
[23:18] <maninder> ccsm
[23:18] <maninder> doesnt do anything
[23:18] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:18] <maninder> type all that É
[23:18]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[23:18] <maninder> nodsÉ
[23:19] <sub[t]rnl> remember you can use tab completion all over the place in linux.
[23:21] <matttis> ahhhh, didn't work  ----> suicide
[23:21] <matttis> Schuenemann: goodbye, see you in heaven ;-)
[23:21] <wladek_> when i do a 'lspci' to get the device id's for my multiheaded nvidia graphics card, i can only see the only device id
[23:21] <wladek_> but this howto says there should be one for each head
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> wladek_: thats if you have two graphics card I would imagine
[23:23] <rothchild> sorry I got it, I had a dumb font selection
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: cool. does compiz work now?
[23:24] <maninder> how do i fix the settings for compizÉ
[23:25] <maninder> i cant click x and close the window its missing now
[23:25] <sub[t]rnl> how do you mean?
[23:25] <maninder> like the half top part of the windows is missing
[23:25] <maninder> were u click x to close the window
[23:25] <sub[t]rnl> oh, you'll need the window decorator for compiz, emerald
[23:26] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install emerald
[23:26] <sub[t]rnl> then run 'emerald --replace'
[23:26] <sub[t]rnl> if you aren't seeing any icons in ccsm, you might need librsvg2-common as well
[23:26] <rothchild> compiz was working anyway and still is, when I took out xserver-xgl it messed with all my fonts and when I readjusted them I selected 'opensymbol' which doesn't seem to play with OO but I got it tweaked now, thanks for your help
[23:26] <maninder> but will this gimmi the same effects i ahve nowÉ
[23:27] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: emerald just decorates the open windows, so yes you'll have all the effects, but your windows will have borders
[23:27] <sub[t]rnl> which is all customizable of course
[23:28] <_Sebulba_> some themes have no buttons, but u'll see those in the emerald themes list
[23:29] <maninder> so how do i change border colour
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: ok, no problem
[23:31] <maninder> how do i close the adept notifier
[23:31] <maninder> its like stuck in thee corner of my screen
[23:31] <_Sebulba_> right click on it and exit
[23:32] <_Sebulba_> i keep having probs with adept crashing, so I just avoid it and use Synaptic
[23:32] <ogre> how do i make certain apps run when I boot up? is there anything similar to "sessions" in ubuntu?
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> !autostart |ogre
[23:32] <ubotu> ogre: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> err, boot, sorry
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> you'll need to add a script to start it in /etc/init.d/
[23:33] <ogre> dang :/
[23:33] <nosrednaekim> !autorun
[23:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorun - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:33] <maninder> yo when i stype in emerald --replace
[23:33] <maninder> and i close the konsole
[23:33] <maninder> the settings done save
[23:33] <maninder> how do i save it
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> use alt +f2 and run it, or type emerald --replace &
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> in konsole
[23:34] <maninder> ye but when i close konsole
[23:34] <maninder> the settings go back
[23:34] <maninder> and they dont save
[23:34] <sub[t]rnl> use alt+f2 and run it
[23:34] <ogre> sub[t]rnl, i have no friggin' clue how to do that. can u give me a short walkthrough or point me to a wiki?
[23:35] <maninder> i mean how do i save the settings and exit konsole
[23:35] <ogre> im trying to have superkarambe rum at startup
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> ogre: that can be run at kde startup./..
[23:35] <Dr_willis> dont 'close' the console with the X button, use the 'exit' command also.
[23:35] <ogre> superkaramba*
[23:35] <sub[t]rnl> ogre yeah run that by adding a link in your .kde/Autostart/ directory
[23:36] <ogre> in konsole?
[23:36] <Dr_willis> make a simple script in Autostart also. can do it.
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> !autostart
[23:36] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> ogre: ln -s ~/.kde/Autostart/superkaramba /usr/bin/superkaramba <-- example
[23:37] <_Sebulba_> anyone know how I can get the group list to download and save in knode so I can subscribe to some?
[23:37] <Dr_willis> actually with superkaramba i think the kde session manager can rember/restart it. :)
[23:37] <Dr_willis> But it works for other apps that dont play well with session manageer.
[23:37] <_Sebulba_> everytime I try it shows progress, but never loads anything
[23:38] <sub[t]rnl> more than one way to skin a cat, thats for sure
[23:38] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[23:38]  * nosrednaekim reports sub[t]rnl to PETA
[23:38] <Dr_willis> 12.5 ways normally :)
[23:38] <sub[t]rnl> nosrednaekim: lol
[23:39] <tehm0nk-otherpc> !compiz
[23:39] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i killed it agian GRR
[23:39] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:39] <Schuenemann> matttis_angry, heh
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> !nvidia
[23:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:40] <Schuenemann> what did you try?
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: what'd you do?
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i put the nvidia-new drivers
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> which i'm supposed to for my 8600gt
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> and i put compiz on there
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: did you use the restricted-manager?
[23:40] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i tried messing with the nvidia settings but to no avail
[23:40] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: i've deleted something which I added to my prefs.js
[23:41] <tehm0nk-otherpc> nosrednaekim no idea
[23:41] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: but i found the error on a other way
[23:41] <tehm0nk-otherpc> deal is i can't get back in now...
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: oh yes you can.
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> :D
[23:41] <maninder> yo when i type in emerald --replace the settings dont stay
[23:41] <Schuenemann> matttis_angry, what was it?
[23:41] <maninder> what should i do
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: do "ctrl+alt+f2" and log in there.
[23:41] <maninder> it changed as soon as i close konsole
[23:41] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: hold down alt, then press f2
[23:41] <nosrednaekim> maninder: run that from a "alt+f2" run dialog
[23:42] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: "dom.disable_img_src_set" was changed by user, so it tryed to change it back and it works
[23:42] <sub[t]rnl> ^^
[23:42] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then what?
[23:42] <tehm0nk-otherpc> startx doesn't work
[23:42] <maninder> that just opnes another run command box
[23:42] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: run "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:42] <maninder> i wana save the setting in konsole and exit it
[23:42] <nosrednaekim> and see what it failed on.
[23:42] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: i think it's the option "don't load images from different server" or something like that
[23:43] <_Sebulba_> maninder: what are u trying to save in konsole and it dont save?
[23:43] <maninder> when i type in emerald --replace
[23:43] <maninder> i see the settings and changes
[23:43] <maninder> and when i close konsole it goes back to normal
[23:43] <maninder> so how do i save it
[23:43] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: don't type it in konsole.
[23:44] <maninder> type it in run commandÉ
[23:44] <_Sebulba_> try looking at the sessions, and "save as default"
[23:44] <Schuenemann> matttis_angry, but the images are hosted there
[23:44] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: actually i miss this option under Edit -> preferences
[23:44] <sub[t]rnl> maninder: heh, yeah.
[23:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> Fatal Server Error:
[23:44] <maninder> shit
[23:44] <maninder> okay
[23:44] <maninder> thanks
[23:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> no screens found
[23:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> Now we're getting somewhere
[23:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> heh
[23:44] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: But i dont know what else i could be, that I have changed
[23:45] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: thats the normal error... "shift+pageup" to find the cause for it.
[23:45] <Schuenemann> matttis_angry, are you sure you don't have noscript enabled?
[23:45] <matttis_angry> yes
[23:45] <Schuenemann> =/
[23:46] <matttis_angry> Schuenemann: now it works...
[23:46] <Schuenemann> try firefox forum
[23:46] <matttis_angry> (but i'm still angry :-)
[23:46] <Schuenemann> oh
[23:46] <tehm0nk-otherpc> failed to open module "nvidia"
[23:46] <tehm0nk-otherpc> hmm
[23:46] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol
[23:46] <Schuenemann> thanks for wasting my time with something that has no problem :)
[23:47] <_Sebulba_> being angry is fine when u have your angry eyes freshly polished
[23:47] <tehm0nk-otherpc> (module does not exist, 0)
[23:47] <_Sebulba_> lol
 Schuenemann: but i found the error on a other way
[23:47] <Schuenemann> I found the error too, I thought you were looking for the solution
[23:48] <matttis_angry> hmm
[23:48] <matttis_angry> i meant the wrong setting as "erro"
[23:48] <matttis_angry> *error
[23:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> can i reinstall nvidia-new-glx?
[23:49] <tehm0nk-otherpc> or something, will that help?
[23:49] <matttis_angry> sorry
[23:49] <Schuenemann> :p
[23:49] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: kernel module problems...
[23:50] <matttis_d> Schuenemann: http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_Entries#DOM..2A    here it is written, what that option does
[23:50] <maninder> how do i set up my keyboard properly
[23:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> what does that mean nosrednaekim?
[23:50] <tehm0nk-otherpc> do i need ro reinstall yet again? haha
[23:50] <maninder> cause i cant do a proper question mark etc
[23:50] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: the nvidia driver uses a kernel driver in order to get 3d accelreation
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: shouldn't need to reinstall
[23:51] <_Sebulba_> maninder: kcontrol gives a keyboard settings area I think
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: try running "sudo modprobe nvidia"
[23:51] <_Sebulba_> or kmenu>>system settings>>keyboard
[23:52] <skarface> what command does the system settings icon run?
[23:52] <tehm0nk-otherpc> didn't give me an error and didn't spit anything out
[23:52] <Schuenemann> skarface, kcontrol?
[23:52] <skarface> Schuenemann: no?
[23:52] <skarface> it's something else.
[23:53] <sub[t]rnl> systemsettings
[23:53] <skarface> ha thanks
[23:53] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: then try running "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[23:53] <Schuenemann> systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[23:53] <Schuenemann> just right-click it and choose edit
[23:53] <skarface> I lost it
[23:53] <skarface> that's why I'm asking ;)
[23:53] <Schuenemann> ahh
[23:53] <Schuenemann> well, that's the one I have
[23:53] <skarface> curious if administrator mode works in that, because it doesn't in kcontrol
[23:55] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i dont know what that was supposed to do
[23:55] <tehm0nk-otherpc> didn't spit anything out other than stopping starting k display manager
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: and you can log in now?
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> trl going to "cntrl+alt+f7"
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> *try
[23:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> blinking cursor
[23:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol
[23:58] <_Sebulba_> i hate the blinking cursor
[23:58] <_Sebulba_> and the bouncy one
[23:58] <Schuenemann> the bouncy one is removable
[23:58] <Schuenemann> it annoys me too
[23:58] <Dr_willis> and the wiggly one, and the wavy one., and the  jiggy one!
[23:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol all i got is that blinking cursor
[23:58] <_Sebulba_> i know, i always make sure its one of the first changes I make to a fresh install
[23:59] <_Sebulba_> it just looks tacky to me
[23:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> one of the first things i do when installing an OS is fixing the drivers...
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: ok... take another look at the Xorg log..
[23:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> which is what is screwing me.
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk-otherpc: yeah.
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> whats it say this time?
[23:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> ok lemme try to get back to it...
[23:59] <tehm0nk-otherpc> lol