[00:41] <ubotu> New bug: #176641 in launchpad "SanDisk SD Memory Card doesn't work in card reader, Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176641
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #176643 in launchpad "SoundBlater 5.1 digital soundcard doesn't work all the time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176643
[01:28]  * Fujitsu sighs.
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #176644 in malone "Blueprint icon in bug listings should be more descriptive and linkified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176644
[01:32] <Nafallo> hmm
[03:00] <Fujitsu> lamont: I'm liking the steep look of the hppa line.
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #176656 in launchpad "Concord Eye Q Duo 2000 USB Digital Camera Doesn't Work in Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176656
[03:43] <jml> d'oh.
[03:49] <Fujitsu> Not another one.
[03:49] <Fujitsu> I bet it was the same person.
[03:49] <Fujitsu> Indeed it was.
[03:49]  * Fujitsu deals with it similarly.
[03:50] <Fujitsu> Maybe they'll realise it's the wrong thing to do after I've corrected it some 3 times.
[04:06] <jml> Fujitsu: I was really hoping that the "Launchpad itself" rename was going to prevent that sort of thing
[04:08] <Fujitsu> jml: That's what I would have hoped, yep.
[04:11] <Fujitsu> As it appears not to help, maybe we can have sanity restored again and rename it back!
[15:20] <mariocesar_bo> Hi all, How works the download action on the translations ... I am waiting two days to launchpad send me the .po file.
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #176729 in launchpad "launchpad blueprints not available for peer review" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176729
[19:05] <outsidecontext> hi
[19:06] <outsidecontext> does anybody know if it is possible to purge the PPA or at least to remove wrongly uploaded packages?
[19:58] <thumper> morning
[20:26] <somerville32> thumper, Any updates on closing bugs via bzr commits? :]
[20:28] <thumper> somerville32: not really
[20:28] <thumper> somerville32: in the upcomming release we have the first step of using the --fixes on the bzr commit to link bugs to branches
[20:29] <thumper> somerville32: the next step is to modify the associated task
[20:29] <thumper> somerville32: the interesting bit is how do you really determine that a bug is to be closed
[20:29] <thumper> somerville32: the current thinking goes something like this:
[20:30] <thumper> When a revision is found on the main-line history for a branch that says it fixes a bug, the branch should be linked to the bug and set as in-progress
[20:30] <thumper> once that revision finds its way into the ancestry for the development focus branch, then it is fix committed
[20:30] <thumper> however the automatic closing "fix released" is somewhat harder to determine
[20:31] <somerville32> search for "closes lp: #xxx" ?
[20:31] <thumper> we don't scan the message, we check the associated revision properties
[20:32] <thumper> it is a little more difficult given the distributed nature of the bazaar branche
[20:32] <thumper> s
[20:33] <thumper> somerville32: just because a given branch has a revision that says it fixes a bug, doesn't mean that the bug fix has been released
[20:33] <somerville32> Right
[20:33] <somerville32> Maybe set it as fix committed?
[20:33] <thumper> right, and that is the plan
[20:33] <somerville32> And then make it so you can connect a branch to a release?
[20:34] <somerville32> And when that occurs, all bugs set as fix committed are upgraded to fix released
[20:34] <thumper> that would be pretty cool
[20:35] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[20:35]  * thumper tries to remember how we define a release
[20:35] <thumper> morning mantiena-baltix
[20:35] <mantiena-baltix> thumper: evening thumper ;)
[20:36] <mantiena-baltix> it seems po export doesn't work in launchpad, at least for me :(
[20:36] <mantiena-baltix> I choosed to download gnome-volume-manager po file from rosetta but didn't get an email for about 3 or 4 hours
[20:37] <thumper> mantiena-baltix: sorry, don't know much about po exports
[20:43] <mantiena-baltix> :(
[20:45] <thumper> somerville32: here's an idea
[20:46] <thumper> somerville32: since series can have associated branches, and the releases are attached to a series
[20:46] <thumper> somerville32: perhaps we could have it so --fixes on the development focus branches get "fix committed", and --fixes on other series branches get "fix released"?
[20:47] <thumper> somerville32: that way when you cut a release branch (or merge into an existing release branch) the bug tasks could be closed out
[20:48] <somerville32> hmm
[20:48] <thumper> somerville32: however this does give us a problem of reversability, that is setting the wrong branch as a release branch, having it update a whole pile of bug tasks, and then going "oops"
[20:49] <somerville32> Maybe bug updates will have to be manually approved by the driver?
[20:50] <somerville32> Or maybe have a threshold
[20:50] <thumper> perhaps we could have a page that shows all the bugs "fixed" by a branch that aren't yet marked as fixed
[20:50] <thumper> and have a "yep, these are released" button
[20:50]  * somerville32 nods
[20:50] <thumper> that could be cool
[20:50] <thumper> hi BjornT
[20:51] <thumper> was just talking about bugs
[20:51] <BjornT> hi thumper 
[20:52] <mantiena-baltix> BjornT: hi, maybe you know, why po export doesn't work in launchpad, at least for me :(
[20:52] <mantiena-baltix> I choosed to download gnome-volume-manager po file from rosetta but didn't get an email for about 3 or 4 hours
[20:56] <BjornT> mantiena-baltix: hmm. it seems like the export is broken at the moment. nothing i can do about it, though, i'll make sure the relevant people get notified about it.
[21:08] <mantiena-baltix> BjornT: thank you very much
[21:27] <MattCampbell> I'm not sure I understand the purpose of Launchpad.  Can it be used as the primary host for an open-source project, like SourceForge but with Bazaar for version control?
[21:28] <MattCampbell> I ask because the title of the project registration page says "upstream".
[21:29] <thumper> MattCampbell: yes it can
[21:29] <thumper> MattCampbell: "upstream" I believe is used in relation to a package
[21:30] <thumper> MattCampbell: so "upstream" is the unadulterated source code
[21:30] <MattCampbell> No, I mean the title of the project registration page says "Register an upstream open-source project".  To me that implied that the project's primary home should be somewhere else.
[21:31] <thumper> MattCampbell: I think that is just badly worded
[21:32] <MattCampbell> Also, is there any requirement that the project run on GNU/Linux or a free OS in general?
[21:32] <MattCampbell> For my first project, I want to release some Windows API bindings for hte Lua programming language, under the MIT/X license.
[21:33] <MattCampbell> And I like Bazaar, so Launchpad seemed to be the natural choice.
[21:33] <radix> There aren't any restrictions on what OSes the code must run on.
[21:34] <MattCampbell> I ask primarily because I know Launchpad was created originally for packages in Ubuntu.
[21:34] <MattCampbell> At least that's how it appears from my point of view.
[21:35] <thumper> MattCampbell: that was how it was originally, but it has moved on from just that
[21:35] <MattCampbell> And since Canonical is providing this free of charge, I certainly want to respect their wishes.
[21:36] <thumper> MattCampbell: Canonical doesn't care about which platform your project targets
[22:11] <MattCampbell> Why does Launchpad put the branch author's short username (e.g. username-basedomain) in the branch URL?
[22:12] <Fujitsu> MattCampbell: Why wouldn't it? It shows the ownership, potentially the reputability, and resolves namespace clashes.
[22:12] <MattCampbell> So should I leave the branch author field blank for the main branch?
[22:13] <Fujitsu> That won't work. You should create a team if multiple people will be working on it.
[22:13] <Fujitsu> If you set it as the trunk branch afterwards, people should be able to branch from https://code.launchpad.net/project or lp:project anyway.
[22:13] <Fujitsu> So the owner for the trunk branch probably won't be seen much.
[22:19] <jml> Fujitsu: that's a good answer, btw. 
[22:19] <jml> re why show username.
[22:22] <Fujitsu> jml: Really? That's good.
[22:22] <MattCampbell> In this case, I'm releasing code that I wrote for my employer, with my employer's permission.  It's possible that in the future, someone else working for the same company may work on this code.  So I set up the company as a team and will make it the owner of the trunk.
[22:22] <Fujitsu> That would probably work.
[22:23] <Fujitsu> You can easily transfer ownership at any later stage, though it can get messy if people have existing checkouts.
[22:24] <MattCampbell> I'll use my own Launchpad account to commit to the branch, correct?
[22:24] <MattCampbell> even though the owner is a team
[22:24] <MattCampbell> I mean author
[22:24] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[22:30] <MattCampbell> Any Launchpad admins here?
[22:31] <MattCampbell> I just set up a team called "serotek" with a newly created email address "dev@serotek.com" as the contact email.  I haven't yet received the confirmation message at that address.  So I'm wondering if it's stuck at our spam/virus filtering service.
[22:33] <jml> MattCampbell: All of the LP admins that I know of are asleep or enjoying a lazy sunday afternoon :)
[22:34] <MattCampbell> Fair enough, I'll wait a while.
[22:34] <jml> MattCampbell: can you not check with your filtering service?
[22:34] <MattCampbell> Fujitsu: Thanks for the help earlier.
[22:35] <Fujitsu> MattCampbell: No problem.
[22:38] <MattCampbell> jml: Any tech support people at MailRoute (our filtering service) are probably doing the same thing as the LP admins. :)
[22:39] <MattCampbell> I can wait.
[22:41] <MattCampbell> I'm sure the confirmation message is just being held by greylisting.
[22:46] <somerville32> What is the format for poll dates?
[22:54] <somerville32> Ok
[22:54] <somerville32> What a waste :/
[23:10] <SWAT> are there any rules about creating teams in launchpad? Are teams like ubuntu-de-events allowed?
[23:28] <thumper> SWAT: I don't think there are rules...
[23:32] <SWAT> thumper, is it OK to use launchpad as a group management tool? (because I think that's happening). I just want to be sure of it
[23:32] <SWAT> A extra 'team' shouldn't be a huge load, but I don't know if it's frowned upon
[23:32] <thumper> SWAT: I believe so
[23:32] <SWAT> thumper, in that case, thanks for the info.
[23:36] <cyberix> I've been developing some software in a Launchpad hosted Bazaar branch and now I'm planning to do the first release. Am I supposed to create a web page for the software at some external site, or can I somehow use Launchpad to publish tar.gz archives?
[23:39] <spiv> cyberix: you can host the tar.gz files on Launchpad
[23:41] <spiv> cyberix: there's a "Download project files" action link on your project's overview page.
[23:43] <cyberix> So how do I upload project files then?
[23:57] <thumper> cyberix: I think there is a link on the download files page to upload files if you have permission to do so (as a project Driver)