[00:16] <mike> Hardy is progressing nicely
[00:33] <osito> Hi, how do I recover from a failed upgrade from Feisty, Bug #157661
[00:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157661 in slocate "package slocate 3.1-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157661
[00:34] <osito> thanks in advance
[00:38] <scizzo-> osito: you mean you want to go back to feisty?
[00:38] <scizzo-> osito: and you are using hardy now?
[00:59] <DanaG> Have you seen Fedora 8's time-varying wallpaper?
[00:59] <DanaG> It's a wonderful feature.  Is there any chance of seeing that feature in Hardy?
[02:04] <cleaton> something i would like to see, is some way to change webcam settings, so it will apply for every application
[02:05] <cleaton> they way it works now that the programs using the webcam has to have their own gui for settings dosen't work great... flash for example dosen't have any support for changing webcam settings :/
[02:07] <DanaG> Heh, sounds like we need a 'pulseVIDEO' to do the equivalent of what pulseaudio does.
[02:07] <cleaton> yeah
[02:08] <cleaton> but i think v4l supports changing the settings for the cam
[02:08] <cleaton> and make it apply for every program
[02:08] <cleaton> but there's no gui
[02:37] <tumbleweed__> /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html should be updated to say Ubuntu 8.04 rather than 7.10
[03:02] <DanaG> I still find it strange that the 2.6.24 CFS scheduler leaves the system so horribly laggy when under heavy load -- even when the load is niced +19 and SCHED_IDLEPRIO
[03:02] <DanaG> So much for CFS being "Better".
[03:04] <DanaG> It even lags when just typing.
[03:18] <DanaG> Heh, the people in #gentoo are quite rude.  I went to ask a question about the kernel and scheduler, figuring that people there probably know more about the kernel than your average Ubuntu users, but I was told:  "Question isn't about Gentoo specifically?  I'm'a gonna' kick ya'"  (not the wording, but that's the vibe I got).
[03:26] <bazhang> wow
[03:26] <DanaG> yeah.
[03:27] <DanaG> They pointed me at #ubuntu (ignoring the fact that I said "Hardy") and #kernel (I've asked there before, but didn't find an answer).
[03:28] <bazhang> ubuntu spoils you for other channels :}
[03:29] <DanaG> I recently tried Fedora 8 in a VM, and I can say the only two really nice things I noticed about it were:
[03:29] <DanaG> Xorg as splash screen (would give native resolution)
[03:29] <DanaG> and   time-varying wallpaper.
[03:29] <bazhang> hmm
[03:29] <bazhang> codec buddy was a wash for me
[03:29] <DanaG> Apt (especially aptitude) is a great package manager; yum is annoying.
[03:29] <DanaG> Pay for codecs?  I don't think so!
[03:30] <DanaG> Try to play a DAAP share with anything: freezes app.
[03:30] <bazhang> so true on both counts
[03:30] <DanaG> Eeh, I'll stick with lovely Ubuntu.
[03:30] <DanaG> I like using development versions so I can go around finding bugs.
[03:31] <bazhang> hardy hardly feels like development--can't remember an alpha or beta this stable at this point
[03:32] <tumbleweed__> /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html should be updated to say Ubuntu 8.04 rather than 7.10
[03:32] <tumbleweed__> yeah
[03:32] <tumbleweed__> at least beta
[03:32] <bazhang> I saw that tumbleweed__
[03:32] <tumbleweed__> ok
[03:32] <tumbleweed__> no-one answered :P
[03:33] <bazhang> no, I mean in my own install :}
[03:33] <tumbleweed__> ah
[03:33] <tumbleweed__> automatix is a pain in the arse to get working on hardy. I know I shouldnt use it, but I cant be bothered to go hunting for debs
[03:33] <bazhang> got all the codecs without it here
[03:34] <bazhang> the medibuntu bits from gutsy work fine
[03:34] <bazhang> err for gutsy
[03:34]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs
[03:34] <DanaG> Or debuntu.
[03:35] <tumbleweed__> oh
[03:35] <tumbleweed__> also
[03:35] <DanaG> eeh, no hardy on debuntu.
[03:35] <tumbleweed__> the keymap autodetection thing on the alternate cd screws up the screen after its done
[03:35] <tumbleweed__> and the rescue install option doesnt work at all
[03:36] <tumbleweed__> and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg has garbled characters
[03:36] <tumbleweed__> had to use it to switch to vesa until I got the nvidia driver ;/
[03:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me of one big gripe: bulletproof X.
[03:37] <tumbleweed__> eh?
[03:37] <DanaG> Last time I ran into it, X still failed to start, and then it trampled on xorg.conf.
[03:37] <tumbleweed__> awesome
[03:37] <DanaG> Boy, was I surprised when my touchpad suddenly had tapping enabled, and had two-finger scrolling disabled.
[03:37] <tumbleweed__> owned
[03:37] <tumbleweed__> oh
[03:38] <tumbleweed__> that reminds me of another thing
[03:38] <tumbleweed__> the install disc isnt detecting the synaptic touchpad
[03:38] <tumbleweed__> you have to put it in xorg.conf manually
[03:38] <tumbleweed__> synaptics*
[03:39] <tumbleweed__> I?l file some bugs on launchpad or whatever when Im less busy
[03:42] <tumbleweed__> I do believe Im going to donate my birthday money to the wine project
[03:44] <scizzo-> tumbleweed__: I think that bugreports are looked into faster then naming them on IRC really....
[03:45] <tumbleweed__> probably ;)
[03:46] <tumbleweed__> bah
[03:47] <tumbleweed__> there still arent native drivers for my Broadcom BCM4328
[03:47]  * DanaG has ipw3945.
[03:47]  * tumbleweed__ nods
[03:48] <tumbleweed__> my old 4317 (i think) worked fine
[03:48] <DanaG> ...and when I insert my cardbus Audigy (in Windows), it DIES.
[03:48] <tumbleweed__> heh
[03:48] <DanaG> I've never seen such an odd bug in Ubuntu, at least -- and if I do see one, I can at least report it.
[03:48] <tumbleweed__> ubuntu may have its problems, but at least it? slightly possible to fix them
[03:58] <tumbleweed__> E: Package libx264-54 has no installation candidate
[03:58] <tumbleweed__> uh-oh
[03:58] <tumbleweed__> that? one of the dependencies for mplayer
[03:58] <tumbleweed__> mencoder too
[04:01] <tumbleweed__> suppose I?l just steal it from gutsy for now
[04:01] <DanaG> Anybody know how to tell which version of the scheduler is actually in use?
[04:02] <tumbleweed__> scheduler?
[04:02] <tumbleweed__> for what?
[04:03] <DanaG> Well, the Ubuntu kernel isn't any specific -RC version of the kernel.
[04:03] <tumbleweed__> oh
[04:03] <DanaG> I'm trying to figure out why the heck my system becomes so sluggish under load.
[04:03] <tumbleweed__> I wouldnt have the slightest
[04:03] <tumbleweed__> I suppose you could grep all of the files in /usr/src for whatever it is youre looking for
[04:08] <tumbleweed__> brb, gotta restart for the new keymap to take effect, all of this accent nonsense is annoying me
[04:28] <tumbleweed__> oh
[04:28] <tumbleweed__> another problem
[04:29] <tumbleweed__> sound comes out of the speakers AND the headphones
[04:29] <tumbleweed__> I'd actually like to turn the speakers off semi-permanently, if possible
[04:29] <tumbleweed__> stupid software-based sound switches
[04:36] <skyfalcon866> !op | pici
[04:36] <ubotu> pici: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Pelo!
[04:37] <nixternal> skyfalcon866: can I help you? what was the reason for the op call?
[04:37] <skyfalcon866> !op | ubotu
[04:37] <ubotu> ubotu: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Pelo!
[04:38] <DanaG> Don't abuse that!
[04:38] <nixternal> ARGH
[04:39] <DanaG> I once made the mistake of thinking that was a 'list all ops' command without noticing that it would PING people, so then I used it twice and then got banned for about a day or two.
[04:39] <DanaG> Now, doing it deliberately..... why?
[04:39] <skyfalcon866> pings everyone
[04:39] <tumbleweed__> lul
[04:40] <bazhang> he just got kicked from ubunut channel
[04:40] <tumbleweed__> I still lulled
[04:40] <skyfalcon866> linus torvalds dosent use debian the simple distros
[04:40] <nixternal> skyfalcon866: shut up already
[04:41] <bazhang> skyfalcon866: ease it up
[04:41] <skyfalcon866> Linus torvalds also dosent use gnome
[04:41] <tumbleweed__> oh noes
[04:41] <bazhang> skyfalcon866: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:41] <nixternal> thank you
[04:41] <tumbleweed__> terrible troll
[04:41] <tumbleweed__> was hardly trying at all
[04:43] <scizzo-> power abuse by tony... :P
[04:44] <tumbleweed__> :O
[04:44] <scizzo-> however I do wonder what skyfalcon's goal was
[04:44] <tumbleweed__> bored, obviously
[04:45] <DanaG> Are any of you using 2.6.24 kernel?
[04:45] <DanaG> And nvidia, especially.
[04:46] <scizzo-> nope....keeping myself to gutsy for now
[04:46] <scizzo-> since hardy is under heavy development
[04:47] <bazhang> you should join the hardy-changes mailing list--about 50 emails a day :}
[04:48] <scizzo-> bazhang: well proves the point of it being under heavy development..haha
[04:49] <bazhang> scizzo-: true, though it runs well, at least here :}
[04:49] <scizzo-> bazhang: no comment...
[04:49] <bazhang> scizzo-: haha
[04:50] <tumbleweed__> runs well for me
[04:50] <tumbleweed__> and gutsy hated my hardware
[04:50] <scizzo-> well I am the kind of person that would break things even though its not broken
[04:50] <scizzo-> so it would cause my computer to go "thud"
[04:50] <tumbleweed__> heh
[04:51] <tumbleweed__> I'm on a fairly new laptop with crazy features like 2 hardrives, lightscribe, 2 built in microphones and a built in webcam
[04:51] <tumbleweed__> I need all the updates I can grab :P
[04:53] <capouais> hi :)  who would like to be my friend and help me diagnose some sound problems in hardy?
[04:53] <tumbleweed__> oh?
[04:53] <tumbleweed__> what's the trouble?
[04:53] <capouais> well, it doesn't work.  beyond that, I need some help figuring it out
[04:54] <capouais> gutsy doesn't work either, btw.  edgy and feisty were/are fine
[04:54] <bazhang> well the topic pretty much says it all--general breakage :}
[04:54] <capouais> what gutsy does is the sound is really really loud and I can't turn it down (laptop, btw)
[04:55] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[04:55] <tumbleweed__> ok
[04:55] <tumbleweed__> give me the output of the following command please
[04:55] <capouais> hardy 'fixes' that by having sound extremely low and I still can't adjust it
[04:55] <tumbleweed__> cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:55] <capouais>  0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[04:55] <capouais>                       HDA Intel at 0xd2400000 irq 22
[04:56] <tumbleweed__> ok
[04:56] <tumbleweed__> try this, one second please
[04:57] <capouais> I have plenty of time, especially if I can help others with the same problem :)
[04:57] <tumbleweed__> I have the same chipset, and I'm currently fixing the problem with the speakers going while headphones are in
[04:58] <capouais> I might be able to dig up some headphones if you need me to
[04:58] <tumbleweed__> sure
[04:58] <tumbleweed__> go get some headphones and see if the speakers and headphones play at the same time
[04:59] <capouais> the laptop speakers go off with headphones in, but I still can't control volume
[05:00] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[05:01] <DanaG> Have you tried all sliders in alsamixer?
[05:01] <tumbleweed__> sudo apt-get install gnome-alsamixer
[05:01] <tumbleweed__> then gnome-alsamixer
[05:02] <capouais> I just tried with plain alsamixer, I'll install gnome-alsamixer now
[05:03] <capouais> ok
[05:03] <DanaG> There should be no difference, actually.
[05:03] <DanaG> And gnome already has a mixer program.
[05:03] <tumbleweed__> right
[05:03] <capouais> the volume/mute buttons on my laptop affect the Master slider, but that does nothing
[05:04] <capouais> if I play with the pcm slider, I can adjust/mute the sound
[05:04] <DanaG> gnome-volume-control -- you can go to edit->preferences and check the other things.
[05:04] <DanaG> YOu can go to the gnome system->preferences->sound and use the 'ctrl' key to select BOTH pcm and master as default mixer.
[05:05] <capouais> that did the trick!
[05:06] <tumbleweed__> capouais : it works now?
[05:06] <capouais> why does it seem like Master is poorly named in this case?
[05:06] <capouais> yes, by doing what DanaG suggested, I can adjust the sound
[05:06] <tumbleweed__> great
[05:06]  * tumbleweed__ reboots
[05:07] <capouais> any way to get that set by default?
[05:07] <capouais> oh, I'll wait :)
[05:07] <DanaG> That system->preferences thing sets what the keyboard hotkeys control.
[05:07] <DanaG> The panel applet has its own preferences.
[05:08] <capouais> odd
[05:08] <capouais> why would they be disjoint?
[05:08] <DanaG> Actually, it makes sense if you want multiple applets for multiple sound cards.
[05:10] <capouais> I wonder if my problem with gutsy was the same thing  (I've since turned that into hardy, so I only have hardy and feisty now)
[05:10] <capouais> in any case, it should be configured properly on install like feisty was, one would think
[05:11] <tumbleweed__> should be "Home of the Hacky Heron" :P
[05:12] <capouais> thank you very much for your help, tumbleweed__ and DanaG
[05:12] <tumbleweed__> no problem
[05:12] <capouais> I appreciate it
[05:12] <DanaG> Here's a question: what is 'qmake'?
[05:12] <tumbleweed__> hmm
[05:13] <tumbleweed__> I think that's the make tool for qt
[05:13] <capouais> I felt so lonely sticking with feisty when everyone else had moved on to gutsy
[05:13] <DanaG> aah, not an actual package name.
[05:14] <DanaG> That's irritating.  It's qt3-dev-tools.
[05:14] <tumbleweed__> ;/
[05:14] <DanaG> CMake Error: Qt qmake not found!
[05:14] <DanaG> even though I installed that package.
[05:18] <capouais> wow, that sucked :(
[05:19] <DanaG> aah, I had to install the libqt4-dev.
[05:19] <capouais> but it brought up another question.  how do I get sound working properly on the login screen?  it doesn't go badabap when it's ready for me to log in and that makes me sad
[05:20] <tumbleweed__> yeah
[05:20] <tumbleweed__> me neither
[05:20] <tumbleweed__> on hardy, that is
[05:20] <tumbleweed__> the sound might be gone :/
[05:20] <DanaG> Oh, go to system->admin->login
[05:20] <DanaG> "accessibility" tab.
[05:21] <tumbleweed__> doesn't exist in hardy
[05:21] <tumbleweed__> :/
[05:22] <capouais> does in my hardy :)  but none of the sounds are producing anything
[05:22] <tumbleweed__> oh
[05:22] <tumbleweed__> I had to add it with the menu editor
[05:23] <tumbleweed__> question.wav doesn't play
[05:23] <tumbleweed__> bah
[05:23] <tumbleweed__> /usr/share/sounds/question.wav
[05:24] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[05:24] <tumbleweed__> seems to be a valid sound
[05:24] <tumbleweed__> plays fine in totem
[05:27] <capouais_> ok back to feisty for me, that's the second time I had to hard reboot over in hardyland :/
[05:28] <capouais_> one of those little numbers where the mouse cursor moves around but won't click on anything, and the keyboard is dead
[05:34] <tumbleweed__> ok
[05:34] <DanaG> Perhaps that sound needs esound installed.
[05:34] <tumbleweed__> note to self : synaptics touchpad haet hardy
[05:34] <tumbleweed__> I have esound
[05:34] <DanaG> My touchpad works.
[05:34] <tumbleweed__> well
[05:34] <tumbleweed__> it works
[05:34] <tumbleweed__> but I can't turn off tapping
[05:34] <DanaG> I just had to manually configure it -- but I did it ages ago, anyway.
[05:35] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/m4bd8374
[05:36] <DanaG> Look at my tapping options.
[05:36] <DanaG> I have two finger scrolling enabled.
[05:36] <DanaG> I also have tapping set as follows: 1 finger is nothing, 2 fingers is middle, and 3 fingers is right button.
[05:36] <DanaG> Just watch out for horizontal scrolling in Firefox.
[05:38] <DanaG> And RightEdge is something gotten through trial and error.
[05:38] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[05:38]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs
[05:38] <DanaG> Eat that, OS X.  Can't do that there.
[05:38] <tumbleweed__> lol
[05:39] <tumbleweed__> I'd never pay for OS X
[05:39] <tumbleweed__> takes all the fun out of *nix
[05:40] <tumbleweed__> brb, restarting again
[06:11] <tumbleweed__> well this is annoying
[06:11] <tumbleweed__> my touchpad isn't detected as a touchpad at all
[06:11] <tumbleweed__> in xorg.conf it says Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse"
[06:12] <tumbleweed__> changing these things to the default synaptics setup doesn't work.
[06:12] <tumbleweed__> I've also done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to no avail
[06:14] <DanaG> cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[06:14] <DanaG> if it's not a touchpad there, then that's the issue.
[06:14] <DanaG> Otherwise, you can fix it with xorg.conf.
[06:15] <tumbleweed__> N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
[06:15] <DanaG> Aah, then that's good.
[06:16] <tumbleweed__> but xorg isn't detecting it anyways
[06:16] <DanaG> That's just the default xorg.conf.
[06:16] <tumbleweed__> I know
[06:16] <tumbleweed__> I changed it
[06:16] <DanaG> Try adding the synaptics stuff manually.
[06:16] <tumbleweed__> I did
[06:16] <DanaG> And perhaps comment out the default section.
[06:16] <tumbleweed__> did that too
[06:17] <DanaG> Did it come back?
[06:17] <tumbleweed__> newp
[06:17] <DanaG> also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:18] <tumbleweed__> 	Using the default mouse configuration.
[06:18] <tumbleweed__> (II) LoadModule: "mouse"
[06:18] <tumbleweed__> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
[06:18] <tumbleweed__> (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[06:18] <tumbleweed__> (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled
[06:18] <tumbleweed__> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "<default pointer>" (type: MOUSE)
[06:18] <tumbleweed__> apparently it didn't like what I'd chosen
[06:18] <tumbleweed__> grep ftw
[06:20] <DanaG> Actaully, look at the whole thing.
[06:21] <tumbleweed__> k
[06:22] <tumbleweed__> DanaG : (==) The core pointer device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout.
[06:22] <tumbleweed__>         Using the default mouse configuration.
[06:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, going to walk the dogs.
[06:24] <DanaG> But it looks like somehow it's not seeing your synaptics item at all.
[06:24] <DanaG> Otherwise, it'd say something about at least loading synaptics.
[06:24] <tumbleweed__> (WW) <default pointer>: No Device specified, looking for one...
[06:24] <tumbleweed__> (II) <default pointer>: Setting Device option to "/dev/input/mice"
[06:24] <tumbleweed__> (--) <default pointer>: Device: "/dev/input/mice"
[06:24] <tumbleweed__> (==) <default pointer>: Protocol: "Auto"
[06:25] <DanaG> Aah, my serverlayout explicitly specifies "(**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad""
[06:25] <DanaG> that's from the log.
[06:25] <tumbleweed__> so does mine
[06:25] <tumbleweed__> Section "InputDevice"
[06:25] <tumbleweed__> 	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"
[06:25] <tumbleweed__> etc
[06:31] <tumbleweed__> very well
[06:31] <tumbleweed__> I shall return
[06:35] <tumbleweed__> there
[06:35] <tumbleweed__> my laptop is now officially more stable with hardy than gutsy.
[06:35] <tumbleweed__> I just forgot to set the touchpad as "corepointer"
[06:36] <tumbleweed__> except for flash, that is
[08:04] <tumbleweed__> ah
[08:04] <DanaG> I'm still around.
[08:04] <tumbleweed__> flashplugin-nonfree always fails the md5 sum chech
[08:04] <tumbleweed__> check*
[08:04] <tumbleweed__> nice.
[08:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, perhaps Adobe has now released an update, or something.
[08:05] <tumbleweed__> probably
[08:05] <DanaG> Wait, is it the package,
[08:05] <tumbleweed__> yup
[08:05] <DanaG> or is it the thingy the package downloads.
[08:05] <tumbleweed__> uhhhh
[08:05] <DanaG> The latter is Adobe's, the former is Ubuntu.
[08:05] <tumbleweed__> the thing it doesnloads
[08:05] <tumbleweed__> whatever.tar.gz
[08:05] <tumbleweed__> so it's adobe
[08:05] <DanaG> aah.
[08:14] <tumbleweed__> tumbleweed@tumbleweed:~/Firefox Downloads/install_flash_player_9_linux$ dir
[08:14] <tumbleweed__> flashplayer-installer  libflashplayer.so
[08:14] <tumbleweed__> no more .xpt files
[08:14] <tumbleweed__> >:/
[08:15] <tumbleweed__> I'll try jacking them from the rpm
[08:17] <tumbleweed__> hmm
[08:17] <tumbleweed__> guess it's obsolete
[08:17]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs
[08:30] <tumbleweed__> DanaG : where can I submit a patch?
[08:30] <tumbleweed__> is there a launchpad page?
[08:30] <DanaG> I'm not sure.
[08:30]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs again
[08:31] <DanaG> I haven't submitted any patches myself, but you may be able to find an existing bug report on an issue, or file a new on and attach a patch there.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> for flashplugin nonfree?
[08:31] <tumbleweed__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/
[08:31] <tumbleweed__> no
[08:31] <Hobbsee> tumbleweed__: file a bug on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree
[08:31] <tumbleweed__> it's for something else
[08:31] <Hobbsee> oh
[08:31] <tumbleweed__> I suppose I could fix that too, though :P
[08:31] <Hobbsee> then use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<source package> and file a bug, and tick the patch icon
[08:31] <Hobbsee> that's being fixed, iirc
[08:37] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[08:38] <tumbleweed__> my cat is running around outside my room
[08:38] <tumbleweed__> I wonder what he's getting into
[08:44] <tumbleweed__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/176678
[08:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176678 in firefox "Startup page for firefox states "Welcome to Ubuntu 7.10!" when it should say "Welcome to Ubuntu 8.04 (alpha 1)!" " [Undecided,New]
[08:44] <tumbleweed__> :>
[09:20] <cafuego> ir's not april 2008, wontfix.
[09:21] <Sebastian> Is http://phpfi.com/283512 known issue?
[09:21] <Sebastian> +a
[09:28] <tumbleweed__> :/
[09:30] <tumbleweed__> cafuego : should it be ok to add gutsy repost to my sources.list as long as I use apt-pinning?
[09:30] <tumbleweed__> repos*
[09:34]  * cafuego imagines so; backwards compat tends to work far better the forward
[09:45] <tumbleweed__> brb
[14:05] <hit> !info xserver-xgl
[14:05] <ubotu> xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.99.1~git20070727-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 1696 kB, installed size 4404 kB
[14:19] <theunixgeek> What features are being planned for release with Alpha 2?
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[17:59] <Artimus> Has any work been put into fixing adept (Kubuntu) for Hardy?  I haven't looked yet, but I believe it gets stuck waiting for apt.  It causes rendering issues, making adept a big gray box until apt is ready, when it can render correctly...  It doesn't really resize well either...
[18:00] <bazhang> I try to avoid adept in all cases--hope they replace it completely
[18:02] <Artimus> I didn't want to write something if work's been done.  It's proably too late for Hardy, huh?
[18:02] <bazhang> !info adept-manager
[18:02] <rsk> no hardy is still not in freeze
[18:03] <ubotu> adept-manager: package manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.3ubuntu22 (hardy), package size 587 kB, installed size 1652 kB
[18:03] <bazhang> optional? nice!
[18:03] <Artimus> Of course it's optional
[18:03] <Artimus> Otherwise, regular Ubuntu would have it, right?
[18:03] <bazhang> came default with kubuntu
[18:03] <Artimus> Kubuntu just pulls it in with the metapackage
[18:03] <bazhang> oh right
[18:04] <Artimus> I don't even think the Ubuntu CD includes QT, does it?
[18:04] <Artimus> (regular Ubuntu)
[18:05] <tonyyarusso> Don't think so.
[18:05] <Artimus> Not important...
[18:05] <heikki> !info linux-image-generick
[18:05] <ubotu> Package linux-image-generick does not exist in hardy
[18:05] <heikki> !info linux-image-generic
[18:05] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[18:05] <heikki> ops
[18:05] <heikki> "optional" :)
[18:06] <tonyyarusso> heikki: It is, because you could have -386 or -server or -ppc
[18:08] <Artimus> I haven't done much with QT, but I'm guessing that the loop that handles rendering is waiting for apt to respond, which is hanging, making adept_updater a nice gray box until apt finishes
[18:14] <Artimus> Dumb question time.  Does Ubuntu have a CVS server?  Adept is a Kubuntu project, it doesn't have a website of its own.  Otherwise, I guess I can fetch the Hardy source package.
[18:27] <h3sp4wn> Artimus: It has one but why would you want to use cvs ?
[18:28] <bazhang> isn't it bzr now?
[18:28] <bazhang> or svn for gnome
[18:28] <h3sp4wn> There is a few options - I like darcs
[18:28] <h3sp4wn> or git, svn
[18:32] <Artimus> Just found out, yeah, it's bzr
[18:32] <Artimus> I tried to use apt-get source and it told me about the bzr tree, that'll work
[18:36] <Artimus> I'm crossing my fingers at this point...  Please be well documented, please be well documented...
[18:39] <bazhang> there was a great tutorial on thursday by JRiddell on bzr
[18:39] <Artimus> I meant adpet, not bzr
[18:39] <Artimus> *adept
[18:39] <Artimus> ...  Why would you name your main class "TestApp"?
[18:41] <Artimus> class TestApp : public KMainWindow, Application
[18:41] <bazhang> I just know the names bzr, adept, cvs; what they actually do is beyond me :}
[18:44] <Artimus> So much for a nice easy fix...  I'm reminded why I don't care for GUI programming.  Tons of cryptic lines("something->evil") with no comments...  I don't think I'm going to be able to learn the QT API by the end of the day.
[19:29] <verb3k> Will FireFox 3 be included in Hardy?
[19:29] <rsk> verb3k: already included
[19:30] <verb3k> rsk, I mean the final
[19:30] <rsk> maybe
[19:30] <verb3k> it will be good but I think it's safer to go with 2 (that's if it is releaes before hardy)
[19:35]  * TuX_Claudiu is Away, Reason: ( watching mouvi ) | Since: ( Sunday, December 16, 2007. 21:27:34 ) Xlack v2.1
[20:02] <h3sp4wn> I am not sure, A few months ago I used a build of minefield that fixed nearly all of my annoyances with firefox 2
[21:39] <wamty> how do i step down from root to user1 ?
[21:39] <wamty> it's a remote machine.
[21:40] <tonyyarusso> wamty: how did you log in as root?
[21:41] <h3sp4wn> wamty: su
[21:42] <wamty> tonyyarusso: su user1 isnt working
[21:42] <wamty> I did it by ssh enabled through plesk
[21:42] <tonyyarusso> wamty: ssh to what though?  The root account doesn't have a login.
[21:42] <DanaG> sudo -i
[21:42] <DanaG> for root shell.
[21:43] <wamty> tonyyarusso: to the vps
[21:44] <DanaG> Oh, and for ssh, I think you have to configure which users are allowed to login.
[21:44] <DanaG> s/login/log in/
[21:45] <wamty> tonyyarusso: any advice? or suggestions?
[21:45] <tonyyarusso> wamty: what happens when you try su?
[21:46] <wamty> [root@* httpdocs]# su kyan
[21:46] <wamty> [root@* httpdocs]#
[21:47] <wamty> that's all i get
[21:47] <wamty> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel)
[21:48] <wamty> What's the problem?
[21:51] <wamty> hmmm?
[21:52] <wamty> kyan:x:10011:2523::/var/www/vhosts/kyan.com:/bin/false
[21:52] <wamty> thats my grep kyan /etc/passwd
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> wait, isn't that last part (/bin/false) supposed to be your user's shell?
[21:55]  * tonyyarusso looks
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> Yeah.
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> kyan isn't allowed a login shell - that's your problem.
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> I don't remember the proper way to set that though - manually editing /etc/passwd is frowned upon.  Take a quick google and see if you can find the command for setting that back to /bin/bash, or whatever you prefer.
[21:57] <h3sp4wn> vipw
[21:57] <h3sp4wn> or chsh
[21:59] <tonyyarusso> chsh, that sounds right
[21:59] <h3sp4wn> I normally just use vipw (or vigr)
[22:15]  * tumbleweed__ is downloading craploads of books on python
[22:25] <h3sp4wn> tumbleweed__: Why ? Do you really feel the world needs more of that junk ?
[22:25]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs
[22:25] <tumbleweed__> python seems like a good language to start with
[22:25] <tumbleweed__> instead of Visual Basic .NET like my school wants me to do
[22:26] <h3sp4wn> Why not - scheme or haskell
[22:26] <tumbleweed__> uhhhhh
[22:26] <tumbleweed__> dunno
[22:26] <tumbleweed__> maybe later
[22:51] <WorkingOnWise> Other than convenience, what are the avantages of running apps from Ubuntu maintained packages instead of either compiling the apps from source, or using a eb from the project? I am thinking specifically of Wine, Openoffice, Compiz-Fusion and Evolution. These apps will be updated much more often than the Ubuntu repos will.
[22:57] <h3sp4wn> WorkingOnWise: Any security issues are fixed by Ubuntu - its not likely to get broken
[22:57] <h3sp4wn> openoffice takes an age to compile
[22:57] <h3sp4wn> Other than that if you want to build them source its upto you (Wine / compiz do change quickly)
[22:58] <WorkingOnWise> h3sp4wn: yeah, I did it once....as I went to lunch....
[22:58] <WorkingOnWise> for OpenOffice
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> Must have been a long lunch or you have far far more powerful hardware than I do
[23:00] <WorkingOnWise> well....it started as I left for lunch. it didnt actually finish till after the and of my workday sometime. Just left it go, and still gore to do the next am. Not a thing I want to do very often at all.
[23:09] <mirak> hi
[23:10] <mirak> would it be hard to create a ubuntu mirror localy compiled for my own CPU ?
[23:11] <h3sp4wn> I would say yes
[23:11] <mirak> there is nt an automated builder ?
[23:11] <h3sp4wn> (Purely by the amount of people who have asked me how to go about it and then never said they had accomplished it)
[23:12] <mirak> not
[23:12] <h3sp4wn> The ubuntu one is closed
[23:12] <mirak> well it's not the first time I interest me to that question
[23:12] <h3sp4wn> Or part of it is
[23:12] <mirak> h3sp4wn: the ubuntu build system ?
[23:12] <h3sp4wn> mirak: yep
[23:13] <mirak> pffff
[23:13] <mirak> I would like a G4 optimised ubuntu
[23:13] <mirak> I don't like gentoo, it's horrible
[23:13] <mirak> gui was invented for a reason, and it's a caveman distribution
[23:13] <mirak> ^^
[23:14] <h3sp4wn> I disagree but its not important
[23:14] <DanaG> I like to tweak already set-up things, down from the top.
[23:14] <DanaG> I don't like to build up from the bottom, from nothing, entirely manually.
[23:14] <h3sp4wn> There is 100% certainly no gui way to rebuild the whole ubuntu archive
[23:15] <mirak> me too
[23:15] <mirak> linux as always been about configurability.
[23:15] <h3sp4wn> I think gentoo is fine as long as you use paludis
[23:15] <mirak> from gentoo to ubuntu or debian or suse you don't loose much in configurability. That's still linux, you can still play with bash and devices and such.
[23:16] <mirak> but with gentoo you need to want to waste time
[23:16] <h3sp4wn> You lose the ability to compile everything for G4 or whatever
[23:16] <mirak> h3sp4wn: that's different
[23:16] <DanaG> I also like Debian's über-tab-completion.
[23:17] <mirak> h3sp4wn: a different problem.
[23:17] <mirak> h3sp4wn: I would like gentoo if there was something a bit higher level like debconf
[23:17] <h3sp4wn> If ubuntu supported rebuilding everything then it would end up like gentoo
[23:18] <mirak> ubuntu inherits the flaws of APT about compilation
[23:18] <mirak> h3sp4wn: why ?
[23:19] <mirak> h3sp4wn: ubuntu don't really need to bother with useflags. I think just compiling for the cpu is enough, and you can't break global coherence
[23:19] <h3sp4wn> mirak: Does ppc have the same issues as sparc with 32 vs 64 ?
[23:19] <mirak> h3sp4wn: what issue ?
[23:19] <h3sp4wn> same number of registers in both modes
[23:19] <mirak> G5 are 64 bits I think
[23:20] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that's another thing I found annoying: USE flags.
[23:20] <mirak> why is a problem ?
[23:20] <h3sp4wn> some people insist on having everything 64 bit which on 64 bit sparc makes no sense at all
[23:20] <mirak> DanaG: I respect there needs of useflag, to obtain a very fit distribution. but nowaday you really don't need such optimisations
[23:20] <h3sp4wn> some stuff that is properly optimised for it yes
[23:21] <mirak> what I don't understand is why they believe GUI is bad. Same for archlinux.
[23:21] <h3sp4wn> I think its pretty useless for me
[23:21] <mirak> why should I need to go text mode to setup a static ip ? that's really things I don't understand
[23:22] <h3sp4wn> For the things gui might be useful I don't trust the interfaces to not trash my data
[23:23] <h3sp4wn> Can you set a static ip with network manager ? (fix the dhcp / dns servers is what I have always had to do)
[23:24] <crimsun> yes, you can [but it doesn't involve n-m at all.  It's essentially telling n-m to ignore anything statically defined in /e/n/i].
[23:31] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: can I get nm to send the same CLIENT_ID whether its connected by wireless or lan ?
[23:33] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: no idea offhand.
[23:35] <h3sp4wn> np
[23:46] <DanaG> Anybody know how to power off a USB device like WinXP does?
[23:53] <DanaG> Wow, colons in paths badly break tab completion.
[23:54] <DanaG> Try doing 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" and tab-complete-ing down the path.