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AnMasterPeng, sorry I install it by my distro so.. where is a link to the file online?00:00
PengAnMaster: Not sure.00:00
AnMasterah /usr/share/doc/bzr-1.0/NEWS.bz200:01
AnMasternice that gentoo compress it too00:01
PengOh, ok.00:02
PengBlah, the moment I consider not using Gentoo, everyone I see uses it. :P00:02
i386_AnMaster: you should be able to use "less /usr/share/doc/bzr-1.0/NEWS.bz2" without decompressing it yourself00:07
AnMasteri386, I already did that00:07
AnMasterPeng, I runs freebsd too as well00:08
AnMaster:P00:08
AnMasteranyway what is wrong with gentoo?00:08
PengAnMaster: I don't want to bother with USE flags and having to compile everything.00:09
PengAnMaster: Of course, as soon as I switch to some binary distro, I'll want to compile something with different flags. ;P00:09
AnMasterhah00:10
AnMasterPeng, well that is the problem neither way is perfect00:10
PengYep.00:10
AnMasterI choose gentoo because I more often need to change stuff than not00:10
AnMasterand for openoffice there is the -bin package on gentoo00:10
i386_I used to help run BreakMyGentoo00:10
AnMastermy sempron is strong enough for the rest00:11
i386_we did GNOME dev releases for 2.500:11
AnMasteri386, sorry you are talking to a KDE user00:11
AnMasterand emacs00:11
i386_back when the project was good00:11
* AnMaster ducks00:11
i386_er whatever00:11
AnMasterwhen was 1.0 released?00:13
AnMasterhow many days ago?00:13
PengAnMaster: Just a few.00:13
AnMasterok00:14
hacklberry00Gentoo? hmm and i would have thought it was about bzr :-)00:25
Tomtererhow do I un-ignore something?01:32
Tomtereroh, found it, sry :p01:32
keiris it possible to 'unupdate'?01:44
keirbzr just botched a merge like i haven't seen before01:45
bob2you could shelve your uncommited changes, then revert to a previous revision01:45
keirugh01:45
keirwhat i did was bind to another repo01:45
keirbut i hadn't pushed first01:45
keirand the remote repo was a couple of revs behind (but should have been an exact mirror otherwise)01:45
keiri tried committing after binding, then it suggested updating locally because the repos weren't in sync01:46
keirso i did that, and now i have two pending merges in the queue; and the merge is totally, utterly, garbage01:46
keirit indented about 100 lines with two tabs01:46
keirthose do not exist in any version of my code01:46
keir(it's a latex document, so there's almost no indentation)01:47
keirbzr bind should fail if the branches are not mirrors of each other01:49
keirand say 'do a push before a bind'01:49
keiri can't imagine the current  behaviour is what's wanted01:50
keirhmm, weird, somehow it created _two_ conflicts of the same file01:50
keirso there's file.OTHER/BASE/THIS, and file.OTHER/BASE/THIS.moved01:51
keirwoah, something is totally broken01:57
keirbzr says '0 conflicts' then lists the moved files as conflicts01:57
keirnevermind01:58
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mdkeOdd_Bloke: it's the version in Ubuntu 6.0608:34
ubotuNew bug: #176864 in bzr-hg "AssertionError when using bzr-hg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17686408:36
mdkeOdd_Bloke: which is what the server I was using runs, I've requested an update to bzr on there, but I don't know whether it will be possible or not08:37
Odd_Blokemdke: Oh, fair enough.  It's pretty easy to run bzr from your home directory or, in fact, any directory, so that might work?08:48
anandologyis there any eqvivalent of `hg export` and `hg import` in bazaar10:17
mwhudsonthere are import and export commands10:19
mwhudsoni don't know what they do in hg though10:19
mwhudson(or what import does in bazaar, if i'm honest)10:19
anandology`hg export rev` gives that revision as patch file10:28
anandologywhich can be imported using hg import10:28
anandologyI am trying to migrate from hg to bzr10:28
anandologyand bzr-hg plugin is failing to import10:28
anandologyso, I exported individual changesets from hg and trying to import that into bzr manually.10:29
fullermd'send' would be the closest (and pull/merge to consume), but neither would be interoperable with hg import/export.10:35
anandologyis there any way to commit with a previous timestamp?10:40
fullermdNot from the command line.10:40
fullermdHave you tried using tailor to do the conversion?  It's got a spotty history of working well, but it could save you a lot of manual trouble.10:41
mwhudsonanandology: ah10:48
mwhudsonanandology: it sounds like one could write a plugin to work with that sort of thing10:48
mwhudsonanandology: but to my limited knowledge, no-one has10:48
anandologyI am trying to understand bzr-hg plugin10:49
anandologyit is not as very easy to understand10:49
anandologyfullermd: I looked at tailor, but it looked very complicated.10:50
anandologyfullermd: But, I think It will surely better then writing a plugin my self. I'll look at it again/10:51
sabdflanandology: i think the bzr-hg plugin might just be slightly out of date10:57
sabdflnow that 1.0 is done, it will probably be updated to that API10:57
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anandologysabdfl: do you mean the bzr-hg plugin is updated?11:01
Penganandology: Tailor is complicated, but it's not hard to figure out.11:03
Pengbrb11:03
sabdflanandology: i think the main focus has been testing the core tool for 1.0, now that it is out i would expect to see quite a few plugins brought up to scratch against that API11:03
anandologysabdfl: do you think, it is better to wait for some more time?11:04
sabdflanandology: who wrote the bzr-hg plugin you were trying to use?11:05
anandologysabdfl: RobertCollins11:06
anandologysabdfl: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Mercurial11:06
Penganandology: Tailor has command line args that make it easy to generate the config file.11:08
anandologyPeng: I am reading tailor documentation now11:09
Penganandology: BTW, why do you want to convert from hg to bzr?11:11
sabdflyes, that work was done a while ago and probably needs updating11:12
anandologyI am more comfortable with bzr11:12
anandologyespecially managing multiple branches11:12
anandologyI don't like the hg way of managing branches11:12
anandologyI miss bzr merge in hg11:13
Penganandology: hg merge isn't good enough?11:15
anandologyI don't think it allows merging an individual revision11:17
sabdflthere's probably a way to do it11:18
anandologyprobably, but I feel bzr is more intutive11:18
jelmeranandology, bzr-hg is really experimental atm. I'm not sure whether it's meant to be used as a conversion tool just yet, I think it was mainly just a proof-of-concept.11:19
anandologyOK11:20
fullermdAt one time, it could manage a 'pull' from a hg branch.11:20
anandologyIs tailor good enough?11:20
fullermdWell, tailor's purely linear, so if you have merges the result might be a little wacky.  But if it works, it should be OK.11:21
anandologyfullermd: I have merges in my repo. I fear it may fail11:28
matkorHi I copied my home directory from one computer to another11:43
matkorbzr info -> Shared repository with trees (format: dirstate or dirstate-tags or knit)11:43
matkorLocation:   shared repository: /var/home/users/mbako11:43
matkorNow my homedir is: /home/users/mbako/11:45
matkorI did: [mbako@appserver_cz abbon]$ bzr init-repo ~11:45
matkorbut still I see non-existant path (/var/home/users/mbako) as shared repository dir ...11:45
matkorHow can I fix it ?11:45
Pengmatkor: That's interesting. I didn't think the location was hardcoded.11:47
PengI know it's not hardcoded in branches.11:47
fullermdIt's not.11:47
fullermdI would guess that /home is a symlink.11:48
PengAnd it would make no sense for a shared repo to hardcode its own location.11:48
datowhat fullermd says makes sense11:48
matkorfullermd: /home was symlink on previous machine11:48
matkorwhere shared repo was created ...11:48
matkorBasically I do not care of WT contents (I have them in repo) all I want is make new setup with shared repo in ~ ....11:49
Pengmatkor: Check if it's a symlink or not on the new machine.11:50
fullermdAre you sure it's not on this machine too, though?11:50
fullermdRepos sure don't store where they are, and branches don't store where their repo is.  There's nothing to remember.11:50
ubotuNew bug: #176905 in bzr "bzr diff requires lock" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17690511:51
matkorfullermd: Hmm, pretty sure:         ~]$ pwd11:53
matkor/home/users/mbako11:53
Pengmatkor: ls -l /11:53
denndaHey there. How does one create a local branch of a given branch with only the latest revision in it? (i.e. only the latest revsion is pulled)11:54
Pengmatkor: If you did 'cd /home/users/mbako' and /home was a symlink, pwd would not resolve the symlink.11:54
Pengdennda: Not yet.11:54
Pengdennda: Well, you could use a lightweight checkout.11:54
fullermdDepends on the shell.  csh does.11:54
Pengfullermd: Oh.11:54
PengI use bash, just because I always have. I've been wondering about zsh...11:55
denndaPeng: What would the command be?11:55
matkorOK. you are right  /home is symlink even now ...11:55
Pengdennda: bzr co --lightweight. Checkouts work like centralized VCSes, where committing updates the remote branch too.11:55
Pengdennda: Also, bzr might have to download a lot of history to reconstruct the current version, even if it isn't kept.11:56
Peng(Err, replace that with: Also, bzr might have to download a lot of history to reconstruct the current version, though it doesn't keep it.)11:56
denndaSo it is not possible to only download the latest revision in order not to download all the history? (I have a 700kb project here. with history it is > 10 MB)11:56
Pengdennda: Like I said, a lightweight checkout will do just that (storing zero history). But due to how the history is stored, it will download more than just the latest revision. It's also designed to not be too bad, though.11:57
Pengdennda: (If you want the details, when a new revision of a file is stored, it will either store the entire contents of the new revision of the file, or only the changes. So to download a copy of the most recent version, you might have to download ten sets of differences and then a full copy, and then reassemble them.)11:59
Pengs/changes/changes between it and the last version/11:59
denndaok, thx12:03
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ddaaCongrats for the 1.015:28
ubotuNew bug: #176948 in bzr "bzr tag has "directory" option, would be more accurately called "branch"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17694815:41
CardinalFangHi all.  I'm not satisfied with the speed at which bzr runs, and I want to make sure that I have it going as fast as I can.16:11
PengCardinalFang: Well, are you using the most recent version, are you using the pack-0.92 repo format, are you using the smart server, and is it using the various C bits?16:14
CardinalFangWith tool X, I can make a local branch in about 30 seconds.  Bzr on the same repository data takes 14.5 minutes.16:15
mwhudsonand which operations are you finding slow?16:15
CardinalFangI thought I set up a shared repository.  How can I check that first?16:15
PengCardinalFang: 'bzr info' in the branch.16:16
CardinalFangAh, it seems not.  "branch root: ."16:16
PengCardinalFang: Under "Location", it should list a shared repository path.16:16
PengCardinalFang: Just above "branch root".16:16
PengCardinalFang: If you created the branch before the shared repo, it won't be automatically converted.16:17
PengCardinalFang: You'll need to branch out of the repo and back into it.16:17
CardinalFang"Standalone tree (format: pack-0.92)"16:17
Peng(Moving files around would work too, but you're not supposed to.16:17
PengCardinalFang: It would also say "Repository tree" if you were using a shared repo.16:17
PengCardinalFang: Good, you're using packs.16:17
CardinalFang"Standalone tree" means that it's not using a shared repository?16:18
PengCardinalFang: Correct.16:18
PengCardinalFang: Look in .bzr/repository/packs in the shared repo. Is there anything there (that's non-zero)?16:19
CardinalFangPeng, Yes.  One Very Big file.16:20
CardinalFangAlright.  Starting over.16:20
PengCardinalFang: The very  big file is there? Interesting. Are there any other branches in the repo?16:21
CardinalFangPeng, Yes.  Let me start anew.  I set this repo up with a dev tree of several months ago.16:22
PengArgh, my fingers are cold and I can't type.16:22
* Peng puts his hands under the cat.16:22
radixPeng: type more! they'll get warmer.16:22
PengThey'll turn black and fall off!16:23
fullermdThen they won't feel cold.  Problem solved   :p16:23
PengGahh.16:23
vilaPeng: bite the cat, it will take care of your hands16:23
PengYou guys are useless.16:24
radixsneeker16:25
ddaainteresting use for a cat...16:26
ddaamh... now, how do you stop it from trying to play on the keyboard?16:26
fullermdHard to do, when your hands are under it (and the keyboard is under your hands)16:27
PengWho took my gloves?16:27
PengThis cat doesn't go on the keyboard.16:27
PengThe other cat does. At first she stepped around the keys, but after I shooed her for a while, she started walking on them. :(16:28
howariit's after the mouse?16:28
PengOoh, found them!16:29
* Peng putrsd them on.16:30
PengThie m,y n opt w3olrtkl well.16:30
ddaathat's when you get to appreciate all the value of tactile feedback16:31
PengNo, that's wehen I get to appreciote thhje vlae of smqll, non-flabby finmgers.16:33
fullermdNah, you just need a bigger keyboard.16:34
* Peng sighs and takes them off.16:34
Pengfullermd: Hahaha.16:34
Pengfullermd: Two-inch-wide keys. Brilliant.16:34
fullermdMakes it a lot easier to "punch enter"   :p16:34
PengI think I could reach both Ctrl keys...16:34
PengI just learned the downside of super-spiffy, sweat-wicking sports socks: they don't warm my feet at all when I need it!16:35
ssh_rdpIs there any plugin that warn user about *new* unknown files before commit?16:35
CardinalFangAlright, my time is down 14.5m -> 1 m.  That's still double the branch time of the Other Tool.  Any other tips?17:04
CardinalFangShared repo made the difference, btw.17:04
CardinalFang"is it using the various C bits?"  _patiencediff_c.so, _dirstate_helpers_c.so, and _knit_load_data_c.so ?  Seems so.17:08
PengCardinalFang: I guess bzr is slower at building the tree than the Other Tool.17:08
PengCardinalFang: Yes,17:08
sabdflis it a known issue that /releases/debs/gutsy has 1.0rc1 ?17:39
jelmerI think so17:41
jelmerlifeless usually handles the debs, but IIRC somebody said poolie was looking at getting that updated17:42
jelmers/that/the bazaar-vcs.org debian repo/17:42
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MattCampbellI'm surprised that the Bazaar user guide doesn't mention the BZR_SSH environment variable.  Do most people use paramiko, even when accessing servers such as Launchpad's that require a public key?17:47
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ddaaCardinalFang: can you paste the output of "bzr info -v"?17:48
ddaaMattCampbell: AFAIK, bzr will use the ssh command if it's available17:48
ddaaand get ssh-agent love automatically17:49
MattCampbellIt didn't on Windows, even when I renamed plink to ssh.exe17:49
MattCampbell(and it's on my PATH)17:49
ddaaoh, dunno about windowz17:49
MattCampbellAre there any known issues with bzr+ssh and plink?17:50
MattCampbellI'm wondering if the bug I recently reported on launchpad-bazaar is due to a misconfiguration on my part.17:50
MattCampbellbut the initial push worked just fine17:50
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StucKmansomebody do explain to me: «14 December 2007 - Bazaar goes 1.0!» «$ dpkg -l bazaar»: «bazaar 1.4.2-5.3»17:56
StucKmanis debian's version numbering wrong?17:56
MattCampbellThe package name is bzr17:57
sabdflStucKman: bzr was bazaar-ng17:58
* StucKman confused17:59
sabdflthere was a project called tla17:59
sabdflsome folks at canonical had a branch of that, which they called bazaar17:59
StucKmanyes17:59
StucKmanaha17:59
sabdflthat's what you are looking at v1.4.2 of17:59
sabdflbzr was a skunkworks, from scratch clean set of ideas17:59
StucKmanI see, indeed :)18:00
sabdfland when most of the canonical guys embraced that, they brought the name along18:00
StucKmanI see, thanks18:00
sabdflnp, it's probably my fault18:01
sabdflwill be all clear when the bzr guys deliver 2.0 :-)18:01
PengBzr already uses 2.0 in its Windows Application Data directory.18:01
sabdflcunning18:01
fullermdThat means that 2.0 will have to be the last version too   :p18:01
StucKmanheeh18:02
MattCampbellThe use of 2.0 in the appdata dir name was the first wart I noticed in bzr.18:02
StucKmanyou could just do a version jumping a la slackware18:02
StucKman0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 3.0 :-P18:03
fullermdThe Sun way is better.  3.0, 4.0, 4.1, NewName 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 5, 6...18:04
ubotuNew bug: #176985 in bzr "Memory error on status 0.90" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17698518:11
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rexbronHey, I am having an issue commiting from a checkout in a shared repository. It is giving me this error: http://pastebin.ca/82082419:40
radixrexbron: you can't commit to launchpad-hosted branches over http19:42
fullermd(or to any-hosted branches over http)19:43
radixrexbron: you should probably rebind your branch to the bzr+ssh:// URL.19:43
rexbronI'll give that a try19:43
radix"bzr unbind; bzr bind bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-controls/ubuntustudio-controls"19:43
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rexbronradix: thanks, that worked :)19:47
bagueroshello everyone19:49
baguerosis there anyway to *merge* one branch with another WITHOUT deleting files that arent in the codebase being pulled from?19:50
mtaylorbagueros: just merging should do that. does it not?19:51
mtaylorbagueros: or did the other codebase delete those files so the merge contains information about the delete?19:51
baguerosthe inbound codebase hasnt DELETED those files19:54
baguerosit just dont include them19:54
baguerosso i get a "-D path/to/file" when it shows me what's happening with the merge19:54
baguerosand then those files are gone19:54
mtaylorbagueros: ah19:55
mtaylorbagueros: well, you can revert them after the merge and before the commit... but I agree that's a little annoying19:55
mtaylorbagueros: you could merge the other way...19:55
fullermdEr.  That shouldn't happen...19:55
mtaylorbagueros: branch the remote codebase, then go into that branch and merge from the codebase with the files19:56
StucKmanI've been reading tutorials, slides and even the manual, and I can't get the hang of push/pull. what is it exactly for?20:39
PengStucKman: To get changes from another branch, or to send them to another branch.20:42
StucKmanfroma a sibling branch?20:43
VerterokStucKman: a workflow where pull/push are used is "Decentralized with shared mainline" (http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows#head-ca3ccf73574776b36453b2213789731549e54167)20:47
StucKmanVerterok: it doesn't *explain* anything :(20:57
StucKmanit assumes I know what push/pull is for :|20:58
mtaylorStucKman: so, in this setup, you have a complete copy of the repos21:16
mtaylorStucKman: committing is done locally and involves no interaction with anyone else's copy of the code21:16
mtaylorStucKman: to 'pull' means to get a get of changes from a repository that isn't the one you are working in21:16
mtaylorStucKman: and to 'push' means to send any changes that your repos has that the other repos doesn't have21:17
mtaylorStucKman: both of those operations require that the repositories haven't diverged21:17
mtaylorStucKman: if they have, then you need to 'merge' instead of 'pull' before you 'push'21:17
mtaylorStucKman: make sense?21:18
kjcoleHi.  I'm looking at one of my systems that I'm keeping stable at Dapper.  (Actually, my hosting company is.)  In the repos I notice both bzr and bazaar.  Which is more current?21:21
Pengkjcole: bzr.21:21
pooliehi21:22
Pengkjcole: There once was a VCS called Arch. Canonical made a fork of it called Bazaar (baz). Then they came up with an all new VCS called Bazaar-NG (bzr). Bazaar died, so now it's called Baz and Bazaar-NG is called Bazaar.21:22
kjcolePeng: Oh goodie. I thought that was the case, but I've been dealing in version hell lately and was getting forgetful. ;-) bzr's what I have installed.21:22
StucKmanmtaylor: I'm playing with it so I can get the hang of it21:24
StucKmanand I think I got it :)21:24
StucKmantx all21:24
poolieit's bug 14399821:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 143998 in bazaar "rename 'bazaar' package to 'baz'" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14399821:24
pooliei hope it will be fixed in hardy if21:24
StucKmanmtaylor: but, can you merge a branch which is not your ancestor?21:24
mtaylorStucKman: does it share a common ancestor? then yes21:25
StucKmanmtaylor: in which cases they could not have a common ancestor? I only see a tree, but I surely am missing something...21:26
mtaylorStucKman: so there's a repos, let's call it A21:26
mtaylorStucKman: you branch it, so does someone else21:26
mtaylorStucKman: time passes.21:26
mtaylorStucKman: then you merge from someone else's copy of A21:26
mtaylorno problem21:26
StucKmancopy as in modified branch?21:27
mtayloryes21:27
mtaylorevery one who has branched the repos has a full copy of the repos and all change history21:27
StucKmanI see21:27
mtaylorso when you merge from them, bzr can tell what changes that person has that you don't21:28
StucKmanbut they *have* a common ancestor in that case, or not?21:28
mtayloryes21:28
mtaylorif they don't have a common ancestor, then you're out of luck21:28
mtaylorbut most of the time, having a common ancestor isn't a problem21:28
fullermdWell.  I merge branches with no common ancestors all the time.  But that's a slightly different situation.21:28
StucKmanmy question was about how two barnches could have not a common ancestor21:28
StucKmanbranches*21:29
PengStucKman: Two entirely independent branches. "bzr init A", "bzr init B".21:29
StucKmanhmm, and I still can push/pull between them?21:30
StucKman(those were out of my picture)21:30
StucKman(it's like merging linux and kde source code :)21:30
StucKmans/it's/sounds/21:30
poolieStucKman, you could only push-pull with --overwrite21:31
poolieprobably not what you want21:31
pooliehowever, once you do a merge between them, you will be able to21:31
PengStucKman: Exactly.21:31
StucKmanis "bzr pull" (w/o branch spec) the same as "bzr merge"?21:33
poolieno, pull says "make my branch the same as that one"21:34
pooliemerge says "integrate their changes with mine"21:34
poolieso if they've diverged, pull will refuse21:34
StucKmansounds like equivalent to making the barnmching again21:35
StucKmanbranching*21:35
StucKmanand a push won't merge, but overwrite, or I got it wrong?21:38
poolieif people on A and B have committed new revisions21:38
poolieand you try to pull from A to B, it'll say "branches have diverged, try merge"21:39
poolieso, you could merge them21:39
poolieor if you want to throw away B's changes and just take A21:39
pooliethen do "pull --overwrite"21:39
StucKmanA.push B will merge A's modifications in B's branch, I get that21:39
poolie(or push --overwrite in the opposite directorion)21:39
poolieone way to remember is that21:40
poolieonly "merge" does a merge21:40
StucKmanhmm, I think I gotta play a little more with it21:40
Le-Chuck_ITAhi all, there is one thing I can't understand about bzr22:02
Le-Chuck_ITAhow can I maintain two branches in the same repository22:02
Le-Chuck_ITAI mean I want the "A" and "B" versions which are incompatible, both available from the same bzr publicly available repository22:03
orospakrHey, is there a gitweb equivalent for bzr?22:03
datoLe-Chuck_ITA: in two directories at the same level, because in bzr every branch lives in a separate directory22:04
Le-Chuck_ITAdato: I was starting to suspect that :)22:04
Le-Chuck_ITAthanks22:04
StucKmanand what's a pending merge?22:09
datowhen you `bzr merge`, you have to commit afterwards22:10
StucKmanaja22:10
StucKmantha may be it22:10
datoa pending merge are those revisions which will get actually "merged" when you commit22:10
StucKmanok, I think I got it22:13
glyphdoes bzr have a global ignores configuration somewhere?22:33
glyph(is it a feature of "locations.conf" maybe?)22:34
datoglyph: ~/.bazaar/ignore22:35
glyphdato: d'oh, thanks - don't know how I missed that22:37
abadger1999orospakr: There's loggerhead (TurboGears app) and bazaar-webserve (bzr plugin).22:37
datoand bzrweb, which I didn't know about until the other day22:38
orospakrabadger1999, hm, yeah, that's what I've found.22:38
orospakrthanks. :)22:38
thumperwhat's the recommended way to install bzr 1.0 on Max OS X?22:38
jam_thumper: either macports or the installer listed on the download page22:59
jam_http://bazaar-vcs.org/Download22:59
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jamI'm not sure if the installer works on 10.4, I guess I should try it out.22:59
kjcoleI'm not certain that my tutorial is accurate, but it may help the beginner.  http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/resources/tutorials/bzr-intro.html23:02
kjcoleI'd appreciate it if folks point out glaring errors.23:02
kjcole(As for the style sheet, unfortunately, I don't control that.)23:03
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