[00:01] hah... no docs for the compiz python bindings.. the suggestion was "look at CCSM" [00:02] nixternal: :( why was it a waste of time? [00:02] Hey folks, it's been a while [00:03] nosrednaekim, ouch [00:03] I've got an installation guide that I've written for Kubuntu, which I emailed to Jonathan Riddell, and he suggested it be included in the documentation on the live CD [00:04] however i'm not sure how to go about integrating it into that, beyond adjusting the visual elements to match [00:04] cheguevara: yeah...... [00:04] especially since I don't primarily use kubuntu :P [00:05] not anymore anyway [00:05] Jmanfoo, ping Riddell [00:05] hi Jmanfoo [00:05] nm :P [00:05] Riddell: hi :) [00:05] Jmanfoo: I think the thing to do would be to branch the docs and add your changes to the About Kubuntu guide [00:05] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-hardy [00:05] it's in bzr [00:05] and written in docbook [00:06] Nightrose: 1 person shows up, and the person who set up the event, he decided to sleep in and not show up [00:06] nixternal: ouch that s*cks [00:06] I am going to change my concentration from the LoCos back to Kubuntu [00:06] ya it does [00:07] Riddell: looking at it now [00:30] this is pretty crappy [00:30] either kde 4 or java 7 [00:30] can't install both.... [00:30] there's a java 7? :O [00:30] icedtea [00:31] yeah [00:31] libgif4 vs libungif4 [00:31] is it GPL? [00:31] ya [00:31] cheguevara: I noticed that yesterday [00:31] cause if it is i think it should be included by default [00:31] I purged libgif4 and said screw icedtea [00:32] yeah i had to do the same [00:32] yuriy, its still alpha [00:32] it is getting better as well [00:32] cheguevara: that's a job for someone to do, recompile everything that uses libungif against libgif [00:32] cheguevara: it needs talking to tech board about first though [00:33] I was unable to build svn kde4 with libgif4 as well [00:34] hmm, really? [00:34] Riddell, oh right, well i could do recompiles/tests/debdiffs but then you will have to do the talking to tech board :P [00:34] libungif is dead upstream [00:34] Riddell: ya, I had all kinds of trouble [00:34] hmmm [00:34] as soon as I removed libgif4 and went back to libungif4 it went back to building nicely [00:34] then failures should be reported upstream [00:34] I haven't had a chance to look into it [00:35] Riddell, do you want me to start trying kde 4 with libgif and see what fails [00:35] Riddell: have you had any problems building kdepim-kde4 at all with mysql support? [00:35] it seems to only be an amd64 issue [00:36] it works fine on my lappy, but my desktop I had to build kdepim for kde4 w/o mysql support [00:36] desktop == amd64 [00:37] cheguevara: sure, can do [00:37] nixternal: I've had linker errors with mysql before on amd64 [00:37] -fPIC complaints I think [00:37] ya [00:37] koffice2 possibly [00:37] koffice2 had no problem, kontact was an issue for me [00:37] mostly I just removed the mysql build dep for lack of time to look at it [00:37] err, kdepim [00:37] maybe it was kdepim [00:38] someone in kde4-devel said it needs to be reported upstream [00:38] w00t i fount a bug in adept :P [00:38] cheguevara: just one? :p [00:38] cheguevara: shuely shome mishtake [00:38] haha [00:38] lol [00:39] if you select say libungif4g it tries to get the changelog from /changelogs/pool/main/l/libungif4/libungif4_4.1.4-5/changelog when its in /changelogs/pool/main/libu/libungif4/ [00:39] * cheguevara wants a medal [00:39] lol j/k [00:39] oh the changelog thing is problematic [00:39] it can be a bit random about what it shows [00:46] whats the QT 4 package manager [00:46] keep forgetting thename [00:46] don'tthink there is one. [00:47] kpackage? [00:47] kpackage [00:47] it doesn't work w/o some backend...can't remember off the top of my head [00:48] smart [00:48] doesn't have a qt frontend that I know of [00:49] stdin: comments added to kfax-kde4 and kopete-cryto [00:49] cheguevara: comments added to kcolouredit === uga is now known as uga|away [00:53] Riddell, thx, but the last 2 comments mean that 2 packages that are in the new queue got the same problem [00:53] the wrapper one [00:54] cheguevara: are they your packages? [00:54] yar [00:54] cheguevara: I can reject them from New if you want and you can get versions with that added uploaded [00:55] yeah Riddell can you please [00:55] forgot we now want kde4 apps visible in kde 3 [00:55] its ktorrent and kmldonkey [00:55] Rejecting ktorrent-kde4 [00:55] Rejecting kmldonkey-kde4 [00:55] done [00:55] cheers [00:56] cheguevara: when you add that scripting stuff make sure it works for both indep builds and arch only builds (do debuild -B for arch only testing) [00:56] if it's just one binary in the package then it should be fine [00:56] will do [00:59] Riddell, install/kfax-kde4:: <-- the scripting stuff under there right? [01:00] cheguevara: that's the wone [01:00] one [01:01] you need to change the rule target of course [01:01] * Riddell sleeps [01:01] yeah of course [01:01] good night [01:03] Riddell: for kfax-kde4 some files are GPL v2 only, I've emailed the authors about this and had 2 replies. Bernd Wuebben says it's OK to re-license to GPLv2+ but Helge Deller says that the files were intentionally GPL2 only [01:05] k'nite Riddell [01:10] hmmm gentoo doesn't even have libungif [01:12] probably why people are complaining they are having kde4 build issues with it :) [01:13] i've built it on gentoo before [01:13] worked fine [01:13] both 3 and 4 [01:13] gentoo was too much compiling for me to use at home [01:13] though its still on my servers :P [01:15] things compile very nicely on a quad core with 4 gigs of ram [01:16] stdin, are you gonna do more extragear? just so we don't end up doing the same thing [01:17] cheguevara: I may, it's just finding the time :p if you want I'll put up a wiki page with the apps on extragear and you just put your name next to the package you're packaging? [01:18] yeah that'll be great [01:18] and we can check off which ones are done [01:19] and also stdin does kdesdk build for you [01:20] the RC2 one ? [01:20] yeah [01:21] well I haven't built it here, but it builds on the PPAs (except for lpia but that's no surprise) [01:21] lol [01:21] lol [01:21] weird [01:21] FTBFS for me with pdebuild [01:22] does your pbuilder have the PPA repositories? [01:22] do i need them in hardy? [01:22] no, but I think just about everything is broken in hardy :p [01:23] thats nice lol [01:24] CMake Error: This project requires some variables to be set, [01:24] and cmake can not find them. [01:24] Please set the following variables: [01:24] KICKER_WORKSPACE_LIBRARY [01:24] is what i got [01:25] try updating the pbuilder base.tgz, it may be using an older package list [01:26] stdin: as in "pbuilder update" [01:26] yeah [01:26] done it just before i built it :P [01:27] wonder what the hell that var is supposed to do [01:31] is bazaar slow or are these docs just huge? [01:38] Jmanfoo: which docs? [01:38] kubuntu-docs? [01:38] yeah [01:39] kubuntu-docs are fairly large, but bzr is very slow as well [01:39] you could probably updated 4 windows machines before that bzr checkout finishes :) [01:39] maybe, but who would want to :P [01:39] and if you work on any of the docs, make sure you send me your diffs so I can look at them and see about uploading them [01:40] also if you have some ideas, toss them my way and we can see what we can do [01:40] i'm going to see about converting http://www.opensourcesociety.org/2007/12/14/the-easiest-installation-guide-ever/ to docbook format and putting it in the docs [01:41] I will have to look it over, an install guide would probably be best suited for a wiki, as we have switched over to a more topic-based system [01:41] Found something very interesting: http://pastebin.ca/819564 [01:44] cheguevara: ok, go ahead and edit https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ExtragearPackaging [01:49] stdin, kk [02:10] heh, a wiki certainly would be quicker [02:12] nixternal, god i shoul've just asked you or wait for tomorrow (see #ubuntu-motu) lol [02:24] evening :) [02:29] evening [02:35] stdin, I think by the time we get all of these actually packaged and pass revu + new RC 3 will be out lol [02:35] what RC3 ? [02:36] kde 4 [02:36] I don't think there is an RC3 coming, it'll be released in less than a month [02:36] there is not going to be an RC 3 last I heard [02:36] oh are we not having another RC [02:37] huh thats weird I remember reading somewhere that they decided to do 1 [02:37] meh bad move imho [02:37] 4.0 will be buggy :P [02:37] they decided to do an RC2 (that wan't going to happen) [02:38] oh yeah you are right [02:38] heh she didn't stay long [02:39] wow [02:39] :) [02:43] hey Hobbsee [02:43] heya! [02:44] how is it going [02:45] going OK [02:45] switched back to hardy for a bit [02:45] then remembered about switching back to metacity :) [02:45] ewww gnome :P [02:46] * Hobbsee shrugs [02:46] it's got some nice stuff with it [02:46] and doesnt' get uploaded every day, too... [02:46] hello Hobbsee [02:46] heya jjesse! [02:46] Hobbsee, meh name one [02:46] oh yeah and Riddell wanted you to give back kde packages [02:47] you can drag adn drop the applications on the equivalent-kicker. [02:47] but you are right about uploaded every day lol [02:48] but let me know Hobbsee when gnome can restore things from the recycle bin :P [02:49] ah yes, it appears that you still have to drag and drop things [02:49] * Hobbsee also misses the move to / copy to dialogs [02:49] er, menus [02:49] and actually being able to configure stuff :P [02:51] actually, gnome has gotten better in configuration - it's not as confusing as it once was [02:51] * Hobbsee rather likes the split panels, etc, too [02:51] and the update-manager is nice [02:51] guess its a taste thing [02:51] gnome just drives me crazy [02:51] i honestly rather use windows then gnome [02:52] heh [02:52] which version of Windows? [02:52] * Hobbsee has made the windeco look like polyester :P [02:52] I'd much rather use GNOME than any version of Windows. Not that it matters. :-) [02:53] probably xp and above [02:53] i might choose gnome if it was over it and ME [02:53] :P [02:54] Hobbsee, you got time for some REVU ? [02:55] * Hobbsee stomps on pidgin [02:55] cheguevara: not really [02:55] * Hobbsee probably shouldn't review :P [02:55] aww :( [02:58] whats the command to see what packages depend on a certain package [02:59] apt-cache rdepends [03:13] Jmanfoo: what are you working on? [03:14] Jmanfoo: is it something with the docteam? [03:25] Yeah, converting an article I did on my blog into a section for the docbook [03:25] as a part of kubuntu-docs? [03:25] Yup [03:25] do you have access to commit to the bzr branch? [03:25] hmmm where are the font hinting configuration on kde 4 [03:26] no, Riddell told me to make my own branch [03:26] s/are/is/ [03:26] we don't use seperate individual branches, we all commit to the same branch [03:26] in that case no I don't have access [03:26] so to get it uploaded, need to email ubuntu-doc mailing list [03:26] the .diff file [03:34] heh ok let me start from the beginning, i wrote an article for my blog, intended to be an installation guide for Kubuntu that anyone with basic typing skills could follow [03:34] ok sounds useful [03:34] would it best found on the wiki or on within the docs? [03:34] i sent an email to Jonathan Riddell suggesting he might want to add a link to it from the kubuntu site, and he wrote back saying i should get it included in the docs that are n the LiveCD [03:35] well personally i think it should be on the wiki, but i'm worried someone might not have access to it during an actual installation that way [03:36] i understand, i wonder if this is something that should be addressed within the doc team? ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com [03:37] Ok, should I just send a link to the original article and say "hey I thought this might be useful somewhere?" heh [03:38] yeah i think so [03:38] excellent, thanks for your help jjesse :) [03:38] mention Riddell wanted it to be included in a link fomr about kubuntu [03:38] Jmanfoo: no problem, just want to make sure things are done in the correct way :) [03:55] damn rebuilding kdelibs takes so long === bobesponja is now known as bobesponjau === bobesponjau is now known as bobesponja [04:46] stdin, you still around? [04:46] yep [04:46] at this time? :P [04:46] anywas was gonna say i just re-compiled kdelibs5 against giflib, seems to compile fine [04:46] my sleep rhythm is off because I'm ill :( [04:47] heh i slept at day time, now don't want to go to sleep [04:47] let me file a bug with the debdiff [04:52] stdin, do you happen to remember is kde4libs the only one that links with ungif out of kde 4 [04:54] from the debian/control files, it is [04:56] ah good [05:08] stdin, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10931090/debdiff << looks sane? [05:10] are you sure that nothing actually needs libungif and libgif is ok? [05:10] pretty sure [05:10] because other distros link against it [05:11] the kde's cmake configures both [05:11] *then [05:11] arrgh [05:11] kde's cmake configure accepts both [05:11] booyahkah [05:12] and the fact that they are really the same thing, just one can't save compressed gifs :P [05:12] the diff looks good to me [05:13] i'll show Riddell tomorrow we'll see what he says [05:15] I take it that bug 126266 won't be an issue here? [05:15] Launchpad bug 126266 in kde4libs "depends on wrong giflib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126266 [05:17] so it did depend on libgif before [05:17] sec looking at rdepends [05:18] and installing libgif4 wants to remove quite a bit... http://stdin.pastebin.com/d3ee9a6db [05:19] well most of it is kde stuff [05:19] that piles up because libs is built against ungif [05:20] mplayer seems to be built against ungif though [05:21] ffmpeg too [05:21] seems like quite a large rebuild of a sources to have a smooth transition to libgif [05:22] its gotta be done sooner or later (imagine there's a security bug tomorrow) [05:23] but yeah its not a kubuntu only issue [05:23] but new packages like icedtea are built against libgif [05:23] but a big rebuild like that is never done inside a release, it'd have to be done for hardy [05:24] and in that case it may not be done until after kde4 release anyway [05:24] there's a bigger issue as well [05:24] libgif is in universe [05:24] when ungif is in main [05:25] so it'll probably have to go through a main inclusion process [05:25] well that sux :p [05:25] so yeah, it'll be a long process for all that to happen [05:25] and its up to techboard anyway [05:26] right i think on this note i can go to sleep [05:27] sleep is for the week, caffeine is for the strong :) [05:27] heh [05:27] got to wake up at around 11 [05:27] which is only like 6 and a half hours... [05:28] stdin: I would love to sleep for a week :) [05:28] I am just looking at finishing out the next 3 days of class strong, and then getting back to Kooooooboooooontooooooo [05:28] :P [05:29] good night [05:29] * stdin hits nixternal over the head with a book called "Why Windows Sux" and sends him into a week long coma [05:29] k'nite [05:29] hahahahahahaha [05:29] I read that as "My Windows Sux" [05:29] well, yours too :) [05:34] hehe === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:02] Why does debsign skip my secret key? [08:02] It works with the -k flag, and I have the .bashrc global variables set. === jussi__ is now known as jussi01 [08:31] never mind. I just discovered the DEBSIGN_KEYID variable! [08:58] Riddell: what is going on with apt transition (adept+kubuntu-desktop would be removed with dist-upgrade) [09:03] Lure: I discovered that /usr/bin/kmail will segfault here if kdepim-kde4 is installed (in case you were interested from the other day). [09:04] hads: that is bad :-( Does kdepim-kde4 installs something on regular dirs (not separeated from kde3)? [09:05] Nope, everything is below /usr/lib/kde4 or /usr/share/doc/ [09:09] Ah, I get it. It's because of LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib [09:10] hads: yep, if you start kde3 apps in kde4 session, you need to ensure that it is run with proper LD_LIBRARY_PATH and KDEHOME [09:11] Yeah, sorry for the noise. I should have figured that out earlier. [09:11] hads: this is what kde4 developers suggest for your .bashrc: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48517/ [09:12] Riddell: ^^^ how should this work properly (coexistance of kde3 and kde4 [09:13] In this KDE4 session kmail points to /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kmail if it's installed but I can't start that at the moment (undefined symbol: _ZN15KConfigSkeleton11setDefaultsEv) so I was trying to use KDE3 kmail. [09:13] Thanks for the .bashrc tip === mez is now known as Mez === wolfger__ is now known as wolfger [11:37] hi all [11:37] Riddell: I'll release kdesudo toonight, didn't have time this we for this... [11:37] Riddell: december is generally a hard month at work, so sorry for the delay [11:38] Tonio_: tonight is all good [11:39] Riddell: great, I'll have a lot of contrib days to take in the next weeks, which is a good point [11:39] Riddell: but atm, I'm busy about 100h a week.... hard to be there in case of problems [11:40] Riddell: fyi, adept is broken due to new libapt relased :) [11:41] Tonio_: yeah, I know, discussing with mvo and enrico [11:41] Riddell: oki === meduxa is now known as toscalix [11:48] morning [11:49] hi cheguevara, I see the motus were giving you a hard time last night :) [11:49] no kidding lol [11:49] got 3 packages in revu now [11:50] did you see the libgif conversation i had with stdin yesterday Riddell [11:51] Lure: I'm not sure why kontact wouldn't work with LD-LIBRARY_PATh set [11:52] Riddell: I think it loads some plugins dynamically and therefore from kde4 path instead of kde3 [11:52] Riddell: when do we set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for kde4 session? globally for session or individually (in desktop files or soo)? [11:53] Lure: globally in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde [11:53] Riddell: I do not understand how this is supposed to work together [11:53] Lure: libraries should be versioned [11:53] Riddell: yes, but if you start kde3 app then, they will use KDEHOME for !/.kde4 [11:54] Riddell: yes, but if you start kde3 app then, they will use KDEHOME for ~/.kde4 [11:54] Lure: we don't set KDEHOME [11:54] Riddell: libraries yes, but what about plugins (.desktop files)? [11:55] Riddell: so kde4 writes config to ~/.kde? Isn't that a bit dangeourus? [11:55] Lure: no kde 4 apps use ~/.kde4 [11:55] that's set in kdelibs [11:55] Riddell: when do we set KDEHOME then? [11:55] ok, right [11:56] plugins, hmm, yes [11:56] Riddell: is it possible that both kde3 and kde4 pim install plugins in /usr/share/services/ [11:57] Riddell: check dpkg -L kontact and you will see what is installed [11:57] Riddell: then check kde4 package [11:57] Riddell: on the other hand: why do we care about kde4pim at all - it will not be released in 4.0.0 [11:57] * Lure has to run [12:05] Riddell, basically kde4libs rebuilt against libgif perfectly fine, debdiff at bug #176836, but this needs to be decided by ubuntu core dev probably, since you can't have both libraries and most things are still compiled against ungif [12:05] Launchpad bug 176836 in kde4libs "Rebuild kde4libs against libgif instead of libungif" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176836 [12:05] plus ungif is in main and gif is in universe [12:07] icedtea is about the only thing that is built against libgif (don't know why doko did that) [12:17] off to work cya [13:08] wooo, c++ final today [13:09] nixternal: have you memorised this? http://jriddell.org/const-in-cpp.html [13:18] yay const :) [13:20] there will definitely be pointers and const on this test no doubt [13:20] as well as stacks, queues, linked lists, and vectors [13:20] const int*const mymethod(const int*const&)const [13:20] nice [13:21] just remembering which one uses push_back(), push_front(), push(), pop(), top(), back(), and so on is waking me up [13:21] easy stuff [14:22] Lure: do you know anything that uses qt4 dbus? [14:23] Riddell: kde4? ;-) [14:23] skype afaik [14:24] Lure: python qt4 dbus I ment [14:27] avahi [14:30] what about guidance? is that going to be ported to qt4? if so, wouldn't that use it? [14:38] ooh, I think I have something working [14:38] nixternal: it's not ported yet [14:38] ok, wasn't sure [14:55] Riddell: there is powermanager qt4 port somewhere in kde svn [14:55] Riddell: ask sebas [15:21] nice, kde4 is actually usable. [15:22] rock on printer setup http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/printer-setup.png [15:32] Riddell: when is your archive day? ;-) it would be good to get digikam/kipi-plugins rc/beta in next Hardy Alpha [15:32] Lure: do they just need syncing? [15:33] Riddell: yes, sync bugs are in LP [16:23] Heya === \sh is now known as \sh_away [16:38] I missed writing code, so I wrote the simplest LAN messenger ever :) http://stdin.me.uk/code/qmessenger/ [17:03] stdin: write qt backend for libpurple (pidgin) ;-) [17:04] heh, I doubt I'd be able to do anything like that [17:05] :-( [17:11] stdin: i want to have a skinnable contact list.. like in Adium on OSX. Kopete doesn't provide this feature :( [17:13] iRon: well that little app I made is about the limit of my coding ability right now, so hacking on kopete is a bit beyond me :p === czessi_ is now known as Czessi [17:20] stdin: nice messenger :) works like public chat.. [17:21] yep, very simple. just broadcasts a UDP message [17:40] cheguevara: you win most talkative :) http://ubuntuircstats.org/kubuntu-devel.html [17:42] Riddell: but you win most used word :p [17:45] new printer configuration goodness https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port === maniacmusician_ is now known as maniacmusician [17:51] cheguevara: why did ktorrent get rejected? [17:54] back [17:54] apachelogger, it didn't get rejected [17:54] meh [17:54] i requested Riddell to reject it [17:54] ah [17:54] ok [17:54] because I forgot that we need to install icons for kde 3 [17:54] so thats the only change [17:54] why? :P [17:54] + an added watch [17:54] please always state such reasons in the revu upload [17:55] uhm [17:55] well [17:55] oh sorry, i stated on kmldonkey [17:55] but forget on ktorrent [17:55]