[00:04] <h3sp4wn> maybe it breaks bash - it definately doesn't break zsh
[00:14] <cafuego> DanaG: They just get escaped.
[00:35] <askand> !ati
[00:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:35] <askand> !info ati
[00:35] <ubotu> Package ati does not exist in hardy
[00:35] <askand> !info fglrx
[00:35] <ubotu> Package fglrx does not exist in hardy
[00:36] <askand> !info fglrx-driver
[00:36] <ubotu> Package fglrx-driver does not exist in hardy
[00:36] <askand> -_-
[00:37] <mrsno> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[00:37] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.42.3+2.6.22.5-14.1 (hardy), package size 12154 kB, installed size 31348 kB
[00:37] <mrsno> askand you can also browse packages.ubuntu.com
[00:37] <DanaG> pm the bot instead, if not sure of what command you want.
[00:38] <askand> DanaG: mrsno: thanks!
[00:38] <mrsno> no problem
[01:55] <WorkingOnWise> Is Koffice 1.9.95 Koffice 2.0 prerelease, or the last of Koffice 1.x?
[01:55] <WorkingOnWise> in the repos
[01:58] <WorkingOnWise> nm. Google is awesome! KOffice 1.9.95 is KOffice 2.0 Alpha5
[03:38] <hwilde> ever seen the loopback address just disappear?
[03:41] <hwilde> ever seen the loopback address just disappear?
[03:41] <hwilde> ever seen the loopback address just disappear?
[03:43] <hwilde> after a reboot the local loopback address is missing.  I have to run ifconfig lo up.  It is specified in /etc/network/interfaces.  why would his happen?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> !patrience
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patrience - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <Hobbsee> !patience
[03:46] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:51] <bazhang> already impatient? nearly four more months til release :}
[03:55] <hwilde> my interfaces file is correct so how could this happen
[03:55] <hwilde> it is very bad all networking dies because it cannot find localhost 127.0.0.1
[03:56] <crimsun> sanity-check whether it appears in /etc/hosts
[03:56] <crimsun> next ensure that loopback is up with `ip a`
[03:56] <hwilde> after reboot loopback is down and must be brought up with ifconfig lo up
[03:57] <hwilde> /etc/hosts has first line=  127.0.0.1 localhost
[03:57] <crimsun> pastebin your /e/n/i
[03:58] <hwilde> I cannot show you the wireless card settings but it starts with   auto lo;  iface lo inet loopback
[03:58] <crimsun> and you're current w/ today's updates?
[03:59] <hwilde> I don't think it is related to the new version;  it was working before
[03:59] <hwilde> then randomly it drops
[03:59] <crimsun> well, it's not going to randomly drop
[03:59] <hwilde> yes that is why I am so shocked and apalled
[03:59] <crimsun> something with privileged access is either downing it, or there's a serious networking bug.
[04:00] <hwilde> this is correct syntax right?
[04:00] <hwilde> auto lo
[04:00] <hwilde> iface lo inet loopback
[04:00] <crimsun> yes, that matches mine.
[04:00] <hwilde> ~$ cat /etc/hosts
[04:00] <hwilde> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[04:01] <hwilde> oh well I am going to hack rc.local to run ifconfig lo up and get on with it
[06:53] <DanaG> wtf? ctrl-tab changes by TWO tabs in firefox-3.0.\
[07:50] <khermans> libfaad2-dev depends on specific version of libfaad2-0
[07:50] <khermans>  libfaad2-dev: Depends: libfaad2-0 (= 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[07:50] <khermans> why is in not >= rather than just =???
[07:51] <khermans> how to get this fixed?  file bug?  report to someone else?
[07:52] <bazhang> latest update?
[07:52] <khermans> bazhang, yes
[07:53] <khermans> is there a process for resolving issues of the class?
[07:53] <bazhang> khermans: perhaps wait until one of the devs/packagers stops in to comment, or file a bug on launchpad--you can search launchpad from within firefox you know? there is a plugin in the repos for it
[07:55] <khermans> bazhang, yeah i dont see a bug on it
[07:55] <khermans> ill file one
[07:56] <bazhang> good to know; thanks for that khermans
[07:59] <khermans> bazhang, np
[08:22] <RAOF> khermans: Devel libraries *always* depend on the exact version.
[08:22] <khermans> RAOF, hrm, in case type changes?
[08:22] <khermans> RAOF, well it is still not installable
[08:23] <khermans> the package is not included
[08:23] <RAOF> *That* is a bug.
[08:23] <RAOF> On the other hand, I thought we had faad 2.5 now :)
[08:23] <khermans> RAOF, apparently not yet :-)
[08:25] <khermans> RAOF, changed bug to "libfaad2-dev depends on uninstallable version of libfaad2-0 in hardy"
[08:25] <khermans> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/faad2/+bug/176859
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176859 in faad2 "libfaad2-dev depends on uninstallable version of libfaad2-0 in hardy" [Undecided,New]
[08:25] <RAOF> khermans: Of course, the package that you're *after* is libfaad-dev
[08:25] <RAOF> khermans: *That* works.
[08:25] <khermans> RAOF, not really if I want version 2!
[08:26] <khermans> libfaad2-dev has been around since at least feisty
[08:26] <khermans> RAOF, am i missing something here?
[10:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi all, is there an easy way to install hardy on a spare partition without rebooting gutsy?
[10:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> e.g. running ubiquity from the hardy iso mounted in loopback?
[11:09] <BUGabundo> g'morning
[12:16] <tarzeau> what's after hardy?
[12:17] <Pici> tarzeau: Usually isnt announced until hardy is released or very close to release.
[12:18] <tarzeau> can someone think of interesting information to be extracted from http://krum.ethz.ch/udc/ ?
[12:18] <tarzeau> Pici: ok thanks, probably something starting with i ?
[12:18] <Pici> presumably.
[12:18] <Pici> Yikes, thats some color shceme.
[12:37] <mrtimdog> Has the 'No Wallpaper' wallpaper disappeared from the Appearance Prefs, Background options (in gnome)?
[12:52] <tarzeau> Pici: if you use a browser without css, it looks all classic
[12:52] <Pici> tarzeau: but then
[12:52] <tarzeau> Pici: or if you have a browser that can use different CSS files...
[12:52] <Pici> er, but then I'd be using a browser without css ;)
[12:53] <tarzeau> no opera can do CSS but you can replace any css with your own
[12:53] <tarzeau> and i believe a good browser would allow that and also allow to put the data it shows through a pipe and some command and then render it
[12:53] <tarzeau> (i'm still waiting for that graphical interactive browser)
[12:54] <tarzeau> actually, that browser existed... the NeXT systems had a WWW browser with a built-in editor and the Services menu
[12:54] <tarzeau> anyways
[12:55] <tarzeau> Pici: if you can give me a different css, here you can try: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bts/?www.icebrrg.com/Styles/Master/c/style.css
[12:55] <tarzeau> Pici: and if i like it, i might install it (or can i use the ubuntu css?)
[12:55] <Pici> tarzeau: I'm just fooling around, I like it :)
[12:56] <tarzeau> oh looks much better http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bts/?www.ubuntu.com/themes/ubuntu07/style.css
[12:56] <tarzeau> i guess i'll put that for the ubuntu devel changes pages...
[12:58] <tarzeau> Pici: does ubuntu also have a mascot? like debian? http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/www.debian.org/
[12:58] <tarzeau> i mean debian is moo and milk and a supercow
[13:59] <arbus> hi, got dependency errors with "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" on alpha 1 standard install (over the net). kde-core install goes thru fine. Anyone else with this problem?
[15:43] <eshat> hi all ,.. which sources do i need to change to ubuntu testing ????
[15:45] <eshat> how do switch to hardy from gutsy ???
[15:45] <compwiz18> gutsy to hardy, or hardy to gutsy?
[15:49] <eshat> compwiz18: gutsy to hardy
[15:56] <pvandewyngaerde> eshat:   in /etc/apt/sources.list   change gutsy to hardy
[15:57] <PJC> ah, the info I wanted but was afraid to ask
[20:33] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[20:33] <tumbleweed__> Hardy is pretty damn stable for an alpha
[20:33] <tumbleweed__> I'm impressed.
[20:42] <tumbleweed__> tumbleweed@tumbleweed:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[20:42] <tumbleweed__> Reading package lists... Done
[20:42] <tumbleweed__> Building dependency tree
[20:42] <tumbleweed__> Reading state information... Done
[20:42] <tumbleweed__> Package sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[20:42] <tumbleweed__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[20:42] <tumbleweed__> is only available from another source
[20:42] <tumbleweed__> E: Package sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate
[20:43] <tumbleweed__> :/
[20:45] <void^> pastebin, and 64bit?
[20:47] <tumbleweed__> yeah, I'm on 64-bit
[20:47] <tumbleweed__> why?
[20:47] <void^> there's no sun-java6 plugin on 64bit
[20:48] <tumbleweed__> ah
[20:48] <tumbleweed__> any way to pull in the 32bit package?
[20:49] <void^> sure, with nspluginwrapper. better try icedtea.
[20:49] <tumbleweed__> aright
[23:10] <tumbleweed__> xfce is yummy
[23:12] <nomasteryoda> and fluxbox is the cats meow
[23:15] <tumbleweed__> yus
[23:15] <tumbleweed__> I like both
[23:16] <tumbleweed__> i generally only use fluxbox when I want an ultra-light os, though