[00:19] <owh> Is there any reason that the ubuntu-jeos-builder script installs stuff like alsa or is that just because it's in main?
[02:17] <Centaur5> I'm trying to setup chillispot and freeradius and it appears that everything should be working but when I try to login it says login failed.  syslog says that the radius request times out.  When running radtest on the radius server it does accept my credentials.  Do I have to open mysql to accept connections from other hosts?
[02:36] <mralphabet> Centaur5: is the radius request from a different machine?
[02:36] <mralphabet> Centaur5: if so, then probably
[02:40] <Centaur5> mralphabet: Well the wireless client connects to chillispot on the radius server which is forwarded to a hotspotlogin script.  I'm probably wrong but I just assumed chillispot controls everything else that goes on and would seem to be coming from localhost to the other daemons.
[07:24] <kraut> moin
[07:30] <_ruben> mornin
[09:18] <_ruben> hmm .. having a problem with ubuntu server gutsy under vmware:
[09:19] <_ruben> * Loading hardware drivers...
[09:19] <_ruben> error receiving uevent message: No buffer space available
[15:03] <bluefoxicy> anyone know about the new encrypted lvm in gutsy
[15:03] <bluefoxicy> particularly how to change the password
[15:07] <soren> bluefoxicy: I guess you have to add a new key and remove the old one.
[15:08] <soren> bluefoxicy: cryptsetup(8) is your friend.
[15:09] <bluefoxicy> soren: fixed in hardy right?  ;)
[15:09] <bluefoxicy> GUI tools etc???
[15:09] <soren> bluefoxicy: No.
[15:09] <bluefoxicy> bah, I can dream :P
[15:09] <soren> bluefoxicy: You can't fix something that's not broken.
[15:10] <bluefoxicy> missing useful feature == broken
[15:10] <soren> That's hardly useful.
[15:10] <bluefoxicy> just lower priority than crashers and holes
[15:10] <soren> In that case all software is broken. Perpetually so.
[15:11] <soren> Which renders any efforts towards the opposite useless.
[15:11] <bluefoxicy> no
[15:11] <soren> Yes.
[15:11] <soren> How's that for an argument.
[15:11] <soren> ?
[15:11] <bluefoxicy> have you ever noticed some software is abandonware and unmaintained?
[15:11] <soren> Yes.
[15:11] <soren> Point being?
[15:11] <bluefoxicy> and that software eventually gets replaced by something else actively maintained?
[15:12] <soren> Yes....
[15:12] <soren> go on.
[15:12] <bluefoxicy> The assessment that all software is perpetually broken is correct
[15:12] <bluefoxicy> But the fact is
[15:12] <bluefoxicy> you can make the software less broken now, but it becomes more broken when someone else looks at it and goes "it should do XXXX" and 10% of the user base nods its heads
[15:13] <soren> So bugs don't exist until they're observed?
[15:13] <bluefoxicy> so, effectively, untouched software simply decays, as it becomes less and less suited to peoples' needs
[15:13] <bluefoxicy> YES :D
[15:13] <soren> That's not very useful either.
[15:14] <bluefoxicy> it doesn't have to be useful, it's just the truth
[15:15] <soren> We have too different views of what constitutes truth for this conversation to have any point in continuing.
[15:15] <dantalizing> lol
[15:15] <bluefoxicy> it's an observed fact then ;p
[15:15] <soren> We have too different views of what constitutes facts for this conversation to have any point in continuing.
[15:15] <bluefoxicy> pornview was great until a year or two after it stopped getting maintained for example
[15:16] <dantalizing> so, does windows 3.1, for instance, have more bugs now than in 1993 because its missing features?
[15:16] <soren> dantalizing: Depends... Noone's using it, so noone's observing said lack of features.
[15:16] <bluefoxicy> dantalizing:  could you use windows 3.1 on a daily basis to get your work done effectively in 1993 without much trouble besides random hangs?
[15:16] <soren> bluefoxicy: Is that a rhetorical question? Is this?
[15:17] <bluefoxicy> well
[15:17] <kronus_> Hi, I'm having a problem with my server's routing table, I think
[15:17] <bluefoxicy> point, back when 3.1 came out it landed on a bunch of business desktops.  The had e-mail and word and image processing apps and databases and proprietary applications and all kinds of specialized things
[15:17] <dantalizing> ok, windows 98... i know some of the freegeek chapters are installing windows98 because they have old PCs.. .does windows98 have more bugs now than in 1999?
[15:18] <soren> kronus_: What's the problem?
[15:18] <MenZa> I'd hope not :p
[15:18] <kronus_> the problem is that `man route` is not clear on what the routing table actually does
[15:18] <bluefoxicy> TODAY, if you go to an insurance company or to a dentist office or anything else and drop 3.1 in, it won't authenticate to the domain, won't run their proprietary apps, and won't run much else
[15:18] <kronus_> and I'm having trouble accessing one subnet of my college network from another (wireless -> wired)
[15:18] <soren> kronus_: Well... It doesn't do much. It's a table :) The kernel does something based on its contents, though :)
[15:19] <kronus_> and... I know the problem is an extra route somewhere, because it's been fixed before that way
[15:19] <kronus_> but apparently only temporarily
[15:19] <kronus_> soren - what does the kernel do with it?
[15:19] <soren> routes
[15:19] <soren> Clever, huh?  :)
[15:19] <kronus_> ok, back to basics :P what is a route?
[15:19] <bluefoxicy> a routing table basically says "I have 2 interfaces.  Stuff going here goes out this one"
[15:20] <soren> It takes packets' destination IP, looks it up in the table and sends it to whereever the routing table says it should go.
[15:20] <kronus_> ok, I have 5 routes in my table
[15:20] <kronus_> and only 2 interfaces
[15:20] <soren> That's fine.
[15:20] <soren> Put the output of "route -n" on pastebin.
[15:21] <soren> ...along with a simple explanation of your network and then tell us the specific problem, you're seeing.
[15:21] <soren> !pastebin
[15:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[15:21] <kronus_> that's exactly what I'm doing
[15:21] <soren> Cool
[15:21] <CarstenQ> Hi o/, I've just installed Ubuntu server 7.10 (Gutsy) with the OpenSSH server (4.6p1), but when trying to ssh from or to my Mac OS X 10.4.11 (ssh 4.5p1) the user or password isn't recognized (keeps asking for password), though it returns no errors. Anyone care to guess the problem?
[15:21] <soren> CarstenQ: Wrong password?
[15:22] <dantalizing> +1
[15:22] <soren> It's not meant to give you any errors.
[15:22] <soren> That would give an attacker too much informatino.
[15:22] <bluefoxicy> CarstenQ:  as a guess, MacOSX is stupid.  Next question.
[15:22] <CarstenQ> yeah, guessed that, so i made an extreme simple username + pw
[15:22] <soren> CarstenQ: Look in /var/log/auth.log
[15:22] <CarstenQ> haha, noticed that
[15:22] <bluefoxicy> soren:  indeed.  I've seen such systems, they were easier to break into (found default users, looked up default passwords ;)
[15:22] <soren> CarstenQ: It's likely to give you info on why your login was rejected.
[15:23] <CarstenQ> looking for it now
[15:23] <dantalizing> do you have any DenyUsers or DenyGroups in your sshd_config?
[15:24] <CarstenQ> erm, I can't find that log in /var/log or /private/var/log, 'nother Mac thing?
[15:25] <soren> Er... Forget the mac.
[15:25] <CarstenQ> not that I know of (didn't change anything from fresh install)
[15:25] <soren> ...or ask someone else about it.
[15:25] <soren> Look on the Ubuntu box.
[15:25] <CarstenQ> nope, no denied users or groups
[15:26] <CarstenQ> well, thanks for the help anyway :)
[15:26] <soren> CarstenQ: We can help you with the failing to login on Ubuntu.
[15:27] <soren> CarstenQ: The other way? Not so much.
[15:27] <PecisDarbs> How to properly enable site to work with mod_perl?
[15:27] <PecisDarbs> in Apache
[15:27] <PecisDarbs> Google is full of suggestions, but nothing concrete
[15:27] <CarstenQ> yeah, shame I don't have an ubuntu box any more to test it with
[15:28] <soren> CarstenQ: Eh?
[15:28] <soren> CarstenQ: 16:21:42 < ~CarstenQ> Hi o/, I've just installed Ubuntu server 7.10 (Gutsy) with the OpenSSH server (4.6p1),
[15:28] <CarstenQ> you mean I should try to ssh from the server to itself? is that possible?
[15:29]  * CarstenQ starts trying
[15:29] <soren> CarstenQ: From your mac to ubuntu.
[15:29] <soren> CarstenQ: Or from the server to the server is fine, too.
[15:30] <dantalizing> CarstenQ i think the point is you need to check the /var/log/auth.log on the ubuntu machine that you cannot ssh to, not your mac
[15:30] <CarstenQ> ah, ok, misunderstood that
[15:30] <soren> PecisDarbs: Noone is is likely to give you more exact and concrete info than google... It's pointless. People have spent a lot of time writing the stuff you found from google, and now you want us to write all the same stuff again.
[15:30] <kronus_> soren - http://rafb.net/p/OoALbZ20.html
[15:30] <soren> kronus_: That's not the output of "route -n"
[15:31] <kronus_> >__> yeah, that's route -v
[15:31] <kronus_> force of habit, one sec
[15:31] <kronus_> http://rafb.net/p/us9ZgB76.html
[15:32] <soren> kronus_: The computer is on both networks.
[15:32] <CarstenQ> soren: found the log, will type in pastebox
[15:32] <kronus_> only the wireless link is active (eth1)
[15:32] <soren> kronus_: No.
[15:32] <kronus_> ..oh
[15:33] <kronus_> well, only the wireless link is SUPPOSED to be active
[15:33] <kronus_> which routes should I try to get rid of?
[15:34] <soren> kronus_: You should disable the wired network altogether.
[15:34] <soren> kronus_: ifdown eth0 (if eth0 is the wired)
[15:34] <kronus_> ifdown eth0?
[15:34] <kronus_> ok, trying
[15:34] <soren> if eth0 is the wired network.
[15:34] <kronus_> it is
[15:34] <kronus_> and... it works
[15:34] <kronus_> thanks
[15:34] <soren> Yay.
[15:35] <soren> You might want to remove "auto eth0" from /etc/network/interfaces
[15:35] <CarstenQ> Hmm, my roommate just came in with his ubuntu laptop and has no problems to ssh to the server...
[15:35] <rodpod> whats the difference between auto eth0 and the allow-hotplug eth0
[15:36] <kronus_> soren  - this server is an old laptop I have, and sometimes I have it on the wired net
[15:37] <kronus_> wouldn't removing 'auto eth0' then stop any automatic network switching?
[15:37] <soren> rodpod: It's in the interfaces(5) man page.
[15:38] <soren> kronus_: It clearly was causing you more trouble than it was fixing?
[15:38] <kronus_> ok, what the hell
[15:38] <rodpod> damn, i got man page'd
[15:38] <kronus_> there's a new route
[15:38] <rodpod> lol
[15:38] <kronus_> and it doesn't work again :/
[15:38] <CarstenQ> soren: /var/log/auth.log shows nothing when I try to log in, though when in verbose mode ssh says: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48547/
[15:39] <soren> CarstenQ: Ah.. It's your client that's doing it wrong.
[15:39] <soren> CarstenQ: Keyboard-interactive is disabled by default.
[15:39] <soren> CarstenQ: In favour of password.
[15:39] <CarstenQ> soren: Ah ok... so I guess it's fixable and the answer is in the man page ;)
[15:40] <kronus_> soren - something automatically added a route for eth0 just now, even though eth0 is down
[15:40] <soren> kronus_: Then eth0 is not down.
[15:40] <soren> kronus_: ...anymore.
[15:41] <kronus_> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
[15:41] <kronus_> bringing it up and back down removed the extra route
[15:41] <soren> You probably have a dhclient running..
[15:41] <soren> That keeps configuring it.
[15:42] <MatBoy> does someone know a good opensource bootcd that can image HD's to a networkshare ?
[15:43] <maswan> the default ubuntu one should have netcat available, it can do that kind of thing
[15:43] <maswan> (just a bit tricky)
[15:48] <MatBoy> ok
[15:48] <MatBoy> thanks
[15:52] <maswan> something like "nc server 2318 < /dev/hda" and on the server "nc -l -p 2318 > client.hda.imgage"
[15:52] <maswan> except with the right syntax etc, that's from mostly memory. :)
[15:55] <rodpod> that sounds pretty cool, never thought of using nc to image
[16:53] <adelie> Hello. I want to setup an LTSP server, but don't want it to be the DHCP. Is it possible to setup a thin clients boot loader to get the image some way other than the traditional 'network boot'?
[16:54] <adelie> err... LDAP.. sorry
[17:18] <compbrain> adelie: For what did you mean LDAP?
[17:19] <RCOMALTA> hello there
[17:19] <RCOMALTA> i am david
[17:19] <RCOMALTA> can some help please
[17:20] <dantalizing> rcomalta: possibly, fire away
[17:23] <limbeaux> i am following the nagios quick start, but it was written for desktop 6.10  server 7 doesn't have the file libgd2-dev, anyone know what its equivalent might be?
[17:24] <ivoks> quick start for nagios on all ubuntu version would be:
[17:24] <ivoks> sudo apt-get install nagios-text
[17:24] <limbeaux> thanks!!
[17:25] <RCOMALTA> i am new in ubuntu server
[17:25] <RCOMALTA> ubuntu server is gui ???
[17:25] <ivoks> no
[17:25] <ivoks> no gui
[17:25] <RCOMALTA> can i do it gui ???
[17:26] <ivoks> do what?
[17:26] <RCOMALTA> ivoks hi my name david nice to meet you
[17:27] <RCOMALTA> ubuntu when we do on box can we dawn load gui for it
[17:27] <ivoks> yes
[17:27] <ivoks> ubuntu-server is just a part of ubuntu
[17:27] <ivoks> you can install kubuntu ubuntu or xubutnu desktop on top of it
[17:28] <RCOMALTA> a rely
[17:28] <RCOMALTA> that nice
[17:28] <RCOMALTA> sory i am ask i am rely new in linux i be 10 years working witn 2003 sever but know we like to do some box with linux we chouse ubuntu
[17:28] <RCOMALTA> sory for many qutions
[17:30] <RCOMALTA> to make a web server and mail sever there is gui for it
[17:30] <ivoks> no
[17:31] <RCOMALTA> can be in futer time gui for mail sever and web server
[17:32] <ivoks> there are plans to create web based interface for 8.04
[17:33] <RCOMALTA> i see
[17:33] <ivoks> installation of web server is easy
[17:33] <ivoks> just choose LAMP stack during installation and that's it
[17:33] <ivoks> you get mysql+php+apache environment
[17:33] <RCOMALTA> yes ok but for mail server smtp and pop 3 is problem
[17:34] <ivoks> what's the problem?
[17:34] <RCOMALTA> i have here 5 computer runs vista ok
[17:34] <RCOMALTA> mail smpt pop 3
[17:34] <RCOMALTA> can be conect with as mail server ubutu
[17:35] <ivoks> ok
[17:35] <ivoks> then also choose mail server during installation
[17:35] <RCOMALTA> i see
[17:35] <RCOMALTA> pop 3 smtp
[17:35] <ivoks> and imap
[17:35] <ivoks> and pop3s and imaps
[17:35] <RCOMALTA> ohhh i see
[17:36] <RCOMALTA> smtp no
[17:36] <ivoks> yes, both smtp and smtps
[17:36] <RCOMALTA> ok
[17:36] <RCOMALTA> nice
[17:36] <RCOMALTA> i will dawnlodit
[17:36] <ivoks> once you set it up, you just have to create users...
[17:37] <RCOMALTA> ok
[17:47] <adelie> compbrain:still there?
[17:48] <adelie> compbrain: I figured out what I want to do... just not sure how to do it exactly, but want to setup a boot via http using gpxe.
[17:48] <adelie> Oh, and i meant LTSP, not LDAP
[17:58] <adelie> I am not sure if I am lost or not (isn't that the worst?). Can "pxe.0" be any bootable image?
[18:28] <RCOMALTA> ivoks still there
[18:29] <RCOMALTA> adeli
[18:29] <RCOMALTA> are you fix up server my ask
[18:39] <RCOMALTA> can i do ubutu server on my desctop computer to see how it works
[19:05] <RCOMALTA> any one here
[20:13] <dantalizing> so, i'm upgrading a server with raid5 from dapper to feisty ... going through the verification process for md .... what do i do if my UIDs do not match between what mkconf tells me and what is in mdadm.conf ?
[20:14] <dantalizing> mdrun starts the raid just fine with the existing mdadm.conf
[20:51] <RCOMALTA> dantalizing  you there
[21:14] <dantalizing> yes, but i have to leave...