[01:06] <ari_stress> morning all :D
[01:14] <FW_Squatch> New guy here.  I was wondering everyone's thoughts on what are the advantages of using edubuntu instead of plain old ubuntu?
[01:15] <kgoetz> depends on the target audicence, and what you want to use it for
[01:15] <FW_Squatch> I teach 8th grade computer classes.  I was wondering how I could sell Linux to my Tech Dept
[01:15] <FW_Squatch> My class teaches basic productivity stuff like MS OFfice suite and some photo editing
[01:16] <kgoetz> i'd go with ubuntu, based on my 6.06 experiance with edubuntu, but not tried any recent version (dont know if its less 'primary' feeling)
[01:16] <kgoetz> brb 2 min
[01:20] <Dante123> Hi All!  Where is a good place to discuss educational software ideas with programmers?
[01:21] <Dante123> Opensource of course!
[01:21] <FW_Squatch> Wish I could help.  I have no idea.
[01:21]  * kgoetz isnt sure
[01:22]  * ari_stress is not a programmer 
[01:23] <ari_stress> FW_Squatch: have u tried ltsp with plain ubuntu?
[01:23] <HedgeMage> Dante123:  I can knock some ideas about with you if you'd like -- there is unfortunately not a general forum I'm aware from for edu software
[01:23] <kgoetz> Dante123: are you ater someone to develope something, or just to kick idaas around?
[01:23] <ari_stress> hello ogra, u there?
[01:23] <FW_Squatch> no, I have not.  I've only run ubuntu at home for my normal desktop.  I haven't gotten a chance to do anything with it at work yet.
[01:24] <kgoetz> 'dead easy' springs to mind (at least it was 18 moths ago !)
[01:24] <ari_stress> well, i have tried it and generally it's ok. but, i'm having trouble setting up student control panel with ldap
[01:25] <ari_stress> using local users works wonderfully though
[01:25] <ari_stress> i'm trying edubuntu now. they say it has student-control-panel pre-installed
[01:28] <Dante123> Hi guys...I have an idea that I developed with a friend using Hypercard on mac....I am a teacher and still use some of the worksheets and activities I made on the original program with my students....however...I'd like to see the idea updated to run on linux....or perhaps be web-based...so teachers, students, and parents could use it
[01:28] <kgoetz> what is hypercard?
[01:28] <Dante123> An old program that ran on the older Macintoshes....
[01:28] <kgoetz> that does what? :|
[01:28] <ari_stress> Dante123: some kind of memory training?
[01:28] <Dante123> Its for spelling instructions....uses word families....and activities to help students learn and remember proper english spelling.....could be applied to other languages too though.
[01:29] <Dante123> Spelling instruction i mean
[01:29] <ari_stress> Dante123: i think i remember similar program in linux
[01:29] <ari_stress> kvoctrain, something like that, from KDE
[01:31] <Dante123> Well, I have some sample activity pages in pdf format to give a better idea?
[01:31] <ari_stress> i'd love to see that :)
[01:32] <Dante123> see if this link works (I was getting some bulgarian educational types to help work on it...but they haven't done much- still in school themselves...here is the link:  http://spellinator.edudev.org/attachment/ticket/2/spellinator.pdf
[01:32] <ari_stress> ok
[01:47] <Dante123> ari_stress are you there?
[01:47] <Dante123> Did you see the file?
[01:47] <Dante123> Here is the main activity I'd like to see programmed first:  Create a box where the user can enter 15 words that are then used to create a series of "boxes" using squares and rectangles to represent the words. i.e. cat would be two squares and one rectangle
[01:53] <ari_stress> Dante123: yes, sorry i went to another room. just got back
[02:00] <Dante123> no prob
[02:02] <ari_stress> still downloading
[02:03] <ari_stress> the internet in my country is soooooo slow
[02:08] <ari_stress> has anyone tried thin client manager with ldap?
[02:08] <kgoetz> ari_stress: where are you located?
[02:09] <ari_stress> south east asia, indonesia
[02:11] <kgoetz> ah right
[02:11] <kgoetz> afk. lunch
[02:11]  * kgoetz waves from .au
[02:12] <ari_stress> hello neighbor :D
[02:38] <Dante123> ari_stress the bulgarian site that file is on is SLOW too....so it isn't just your country
[02:39] <ari_stress> Dante123: i've just finished downloading it
[02:40] <ari_stress> looks good
[02:40] <ari_stress> how do we use it?
[02:40] <ari_stress> you said it's for kids of how old?
[02:42] <Dante123> well....the teacher selects words....that have a pattern or rule they follow....then the program creates activities with the words.  The word boxes activity is very visual and helps students see the shape of the word and help visual memory.  The program produced strictly printed pages....I'd like to see it be online app with drag and drop etc. to match words with their shape etc.
[02:43] <Dante123> but I would like to see printable pages as part of it too....so that students or parents can print a hard copy for later practice.
[02:45] <ari_stress> yes i notice the shape of the boxes :D nice hints.
[02:45] <ari_stress> the drag and drop can be achieved using flash apps
[02:45] <ari_stress> but the printing version... i'm not so sure, might need another apps
[02:46] <ari_stress> or the flash programmer can create a menu to print it
[02:48] <Dante123> yes,  believe me if you had a website where the teacher could choose 10-20 words and the students would then complete this activity online or teacher prints a copy....traffic would start coming to your site....help with google ad dollars
[02:49] <ari_stress> how about using moodle?
[02:49] <ari_stress> it's a very good online learning tool
[02:50] <ari_stress> www.moodle.org
[02:50] <Dante123> I use moodle with my students...but I don't know how this would fit in.  I think this needs to be flash based or something...
[02:51] <Dante123> Start with online app version (printable can wait)....teacher enters say 15 words that fit a pattern and the program makes the word boxes activity, the missing letters, alphabetic order, syllables etc.
[02:51] <Dante123> student then go on and complete the activities the teacher gave them....maybe the program records a score......I guess moodle could do some of that...but I'm not sure how.
[02:54] <ari_stress> Dante123: after some thoughts..
[02:54] <ari_stress> i think we can ask a programmer to make a dynamic flash program
[02:54] <ari_stress> so that teacher can define what words to use
[02:54] <ari_stress> then the program will generate the layout/problems
[02:54] <ari_stress> what do u think?
[02:55] <Dante123> that sounds about right.
[02:56] <Dante123> I have many word lists that have examples of word families....already typed and used in the prototype program.....a screen could come up and the teacher scrolls through the list looking for words that fit patterns etc.
[02:57] <ari_stress> yes
[02:57] <ari_stress> we can put those words into the database, and then we can use them for the lesson
[02:57] <Dante123> yes
[02:59] <ace_suares> Dante123: interesting idea
[02:59] <ace_suares> you could create an account on launchpad.net
[02:59] <ace_suares> and start a blueprint
[02:59] <ace_suares> describe your idea
[02:59] <ace_suares> maybe some people will chime in
[03:00] <ace_suares> in any case you can point some people to the spec
[03:02] <ari_stress> that's a good idea
[03:03] <ace_suares> ari_stress: you can install thin-client-manager in ubuntu
[03:03] <Dante123> is launchpad net...free...open source place
[03:03] <Dante123> it is the ubuntu idea place right?
[03:03] <ace_suares> Dante123: just have a look and then ask that question again ?
[03:04] <ace_suares> ari_stress: student-control-panel is now thin-client-manager
[03:04] <ace_suares> but you still start it with 'student-control-panel'
[03:05] <ace_suares> apt-get install thin-client-manager-gnome
[03:05] <ace_suares> but works in kde too.
[03:06] <ari_stress> ace_suares: yes i have installed it
[03:06] <ari_stress> it works ok with local user (/etc/passwd), but with ldap users, it cannot see them
[03:06] <ace_suares> so working with ldap is the prolem
[03:06] <ari_stress> i havent found the workaround
[03:06] <ace_suares> problem
[03:06] <ari_stress> yes
[03:06] <ace_suares> maybe there is no support for htat
[03:06] <ace_suares> look at the code :-0
[03:06] <Dante123> do I just select register a blueprint and start putting my idea up that way?
[03:06] <ari_stress> the worst case scenario i guess
[03:07] <ace_suares> Dante123: first make an account and then yes, register a bluprint
[03:07] <ace_suares> first read a coupe of blueprints please
[03:07] <ace_suares> mind that you're not making an 'ubuntu' bueprint
[03:07] <ace_suares> you're just using launchpad to make your own blueprint
[03:07] <ace_suares> that might one day get into ubuntu
[03:07] <ace_suares> who know
[03:07] <ace_suares> who knows :-)
[03:08] <ace_suares> ari_stress: you can mail ogra too
[03:09] <ace_suares> just go to his launchpad page and find the email address
[03:09] <ace_suares> he's not been here for a couple of days I think he is in spain or something
[03:09] <ari_stress> i have emailed the ltsp-discuss list. havent tried directly to ogra though
[03:09] <ari_stress> oh
[03:09] <ari_stress> ok :D
[03:09] <ari_stress> nice to hear that he's on holiday
[03:09] <ace_suares> and on the ltsp channel, you can sk the bot :_)
[03:09] <ace_suares> just use !seen user like: !seen ogra
[03:10] <ace_suares> try it :-)
[03:10] <ace_suares> ari_stress: probably not on holiday, something with guadarelinux or something
[03:10] <ace_suares> large, very large spanish distro
[03:10] <ari_stress> i see
[03:10] <ari_stress> so much about linux i haven't heard of
[03:11] <ari_stress> need to learn a lot
[03:11] <ace_suares> ari_stress: ane keep on learning forever since it's going so fast no one can keep up :-)
[03:13] <ace_suares> Dante123: waht are the long and short boxes to mean ?
[03:13] <ace_suares> Dante123: you should make your pdf smaller, just put the images in the GIMP or some other photeditor and convert them to greyscale
[03:14] <ace_suares> and then scale them to 800 pixels wide (leave the height to be calculated automagically)
[03:14] <ace_suares> and then make gif's of it or png or jpg.
[03:14] <ace_suares> Will eb not more then 40 k per page !!!!!
[03:39] <Dante123> okay...will use the gimp....
[03:40] <Dante123> the letters like l k t are the rectangles...and letters like s a c e are squares...and p y g are rectangles that go below the squares...visual activity
[03:41] <Dante123> so the word cat would be two squares and a rectangle going above the squares.
[03:42] <Dante123> gotta go to be now...take care
[03:43] <Dante123> got to go to bed I mean...nite
[13:23] <ari_stress> good evening all
[14:08] <bddebian> Heya
[14:56] <jthomas> Has anyone experience with installing and using KDE (kde-base) on Edubuntu?  Does it work well?  Any suggestions or tips?  Any reason not to do so?
[15:12] <RichEd> jthomas: what are you trying to acheive ? use KDE apps on Edubuntu, or Edubuntu apps on KDE
[15:14] <jthomas> I want to achive a KDE Desktop
[15:15] <RichEd> jthomas: then as far as I know, you can start with a Kubuntu install, and then install the edubuntu applications package ... let me check that quickly
[15:16] <jthomas> I also read about the edubuntu-desktop-kde package
[15:16] <jthomas> I am sure your approach would work, or this meta-package if available.
[15:17] <jthomas> but I want to avoid a lot of the Kubuntu packages and installing Edubuntu seems to be the best way to get education apps and games, and then kde-base to get the basic KDE on top...
[15:19] <RichEd> ogra: you around ?
[15:24] <RichEd> jthomas: the best people to give advice on this would be: ogra (edubuntu) or Riddell (kubuntu) ... neither seem to be around at the moment
[15:24] <RichEd> perhaps send a post to edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-users ?
[15:26] <jthomas> Well... I have to go out of the office for a while, so we'll just see if anyone pipes up in the next few hours.  Otherwise, I'll just try it out!
[15:27] <jthomas> there is an 'edubuntu-desktop-kde' package
[15:27] <jthomas> thanks!
[15:28] <Riddell> edubuntu-desktop-kde would be the best way to get a KDE desktop with edu apps
[15:30] <RichEd> thanks Riddell :)
[17:03] <reiner_> hello
[21:12] <jthomas> Thank you Riddell and RichEd ("edubuntu-desktop-kde would be the best way...")
[21:44] <pygi> yo