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blizzzekgn801:33
Tm_Tbug 201:44
CheGuevarahmm ?01:45
Tm_TCheGuevara: just messing ;)01:46
CheGuevara:)01:46
nixternalI want to change the status of Bug #1 so bad to "Invalid" :p01:49
CheGuevaraFixed would be better :P01:53
yuriy<3 amarok02:26
* nixternal too02:27
nixternalman, this Java project is turning out a tad bit easier than once expected02:28
* nixternal feels good that it is almost over with02:28
Tm_Tmeh02:28
* nixternal needs to get his LP karma lovin' goin again02:28
nixternalI feel another 100+ bug night coming on...hows that sound Hobbsee? :)02:28
* Tm_T <3 KDE02:28
Tm_Tnixternal: look at my karma ;)02:28
* nixternal <3 KDE && <3 Kubuntu && <3 all of you02:29
Tm_Tjust if you could get karma from IRC...02:29
nixternalhahah Tm_T02:29
nixternalgahahahaha02:29
nixternalor better yet, if you could get some packaging karma :)02:29
Tm_T:)02:29
Tm_T0429.49 <@insanity> karma for Tm_T: -50102:29
Tm_Tsee?02:29
nixternalor if you could get "long pointy stick blocks" karma02:29
Tm_TIRC karma02:30
nixternalit is negative though02:30
nixternalthat can't be good02:30
Tm_Twhy not!02:30
nixternalthe higher the better!02:30
nixternalkarma isn't like golf02:30
Tm_Tnixternal: just stand on your hands or some02:30
nixternalmy arms aren't that long02:31
Hobbseenixternal: sounds great!02:31
nixternaljcastro: since you are made of gold, I heard you are buying all of the drinks and food at penguicon...and for the hotel rooms as well...all I need now is the itenerary :p02:32
wolfgerwoot, Jorge!02:52
wolfger:-D02:52
Tm_Twho is Jorge?02:52
wolfgerJcastro == Jorge Castro02:53
Tm_Tand?02:53
Tm_T:(02:53
vorianwolfer is either a gnome fan or from Michigan :P02:53
* vorian hides02:53
wolfgerI was reading nixternal's declaration that Jcastro was buying the drinks at Penguicon02:53
nixternalhahahaha02:53
Tm_Tmeh02:54
wolfgerGnome == ick02:54
* wolfger is from Michigan02:54
* nixternal was born in Michigan!02:54
vorianw00t02:54
nixternalall my family is in Michigan02:54
* Tm_T drinks water02:54
voriansorry your football sucked this year02:54
wolfgerlol02:54
nixternalthat's why I love blue!02:54
vorianbetter luck next year :D02:54
wolfgerwe had a good 8 games02:54
vorianLOL02:54
wolfger6-2, and then we called it a season02:54
vorianbut.....02:54
nixternalheh, Ohio lost to Illinois, enough said02:54
vorianhmmm02:54
wolfgeror were you talking college?02:55
vorianOh, um, I forgot... who's #1 atm?02:55
Tm_Tvorian: me02:55
wolfgerI went to MI Tech... no football team to speak of, so I don't care about college ball.02:55
vorian^5 Tm_T02:55
vorian:)02:55
nixternalvorian: it doesn't last...that is the history of Ohio02:55
nixternalplus, who roots for a hairy nut anyways?02:55
wolfgerheh02:56
vorianthey are not hairy02:56
vorianthey are smooth and silky02:57
nixternalnice try02:57
vorian:)02:57
vorianPenguicon, that will be a h00t02:57
nixternaljcastro: you need to come to Flourish the week before Penguicon here in Chicago02:58
Jmanfoohowdy folks03:00
voriannixternal, you need to come to LinuxFest03:00
vorianwanna give a presentation?03:01
nixternaldepends on how much money you all pay me :p03:01
vorianlol03:01
nixternalwhen is LinuxFest?03:01
vorianum03:01
vorianOctober 1*th03:01
nixternaloh jeesh, I still have some time to prepare my speach03:02
nixternalspeech too03:02
vorianthey pay real well03:02
nixternalput me down for some Kubuntu and KDE talkin'!03:02
vorianI got a total of -$65 for giving my presentation03:02
vorianw00t03:03
JmanfooKDE uber alles!03:03
nixternallol, negative baby03:03
vorian:)03:03
vorianit's for a good cause03:03
vorian:)03:03
* vorian needs to stop smiling03:03
nixternalI need to eat03:04
nixternalI keep procrastinating03:04
nixternalback in a bit03:04
Jmanfooanyone here on the ubuntu-docs project?03:09
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hadsI take it there's no kdepim-kde4 -dbg package?06:28
hadsI'm getting a kmail (KDE4) crash and trying to figure out why.06:30
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hadshttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48631/ is the console output from the crashes, the first whilst syncing the dimap account initially and the second when trying to start kmail up again.07:15
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* Tm_T slaps Eldaria_away 07:44
ardchoilleAm I seeing this error correctly? http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php08:40
ardchoilleMaybe it has moved since I bookmarked it: http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/index.php08:41
mikkaelive got a nasty problem on hardy but im not sure if it's ok to ask for help in this channel..09:49
ardchoillemikkael: Did you not hear when I recommended you ask in #ubuntu+1 ?09:52
mikkaelok, thought this one is for ubuntu, not kubuntu09:53
ardchoille#ubuntu+1 is for the devel release (ubuntu/kubuntu)09:54
mikkaelardchoille: thanks09:56
ardchoilleyw09:56
_StefanS_Riddell: do we have the videodvd:/ kioslave in gutsy ?10:03
_StefanS_Riddell: because I cant really find it10:03
Riddell_StefanS_: not that I know of10:04
_StefanS_Riddell: hmm its a really nice feature since you can copy encrypted dvd's directly as files without using k3b10:05
_StefanS_Riddell: trueg just remembered that it was there somewhere when I asked him for some advice on how to make the process easier10:05
iRonRiddell: Hi! Have you checked my patch?10:09
RiddelliRon: no, didn't see they were available10:10
iRonBug #17703610:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 177036 in kdebase "unable to mount hard disks which are not already mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17703610:10
RiddelliRon: looks great, let me build it and see it in action10:19
iRonSure10:19
_StefanS_Riddell: it seems like the kio_videdvd.so is missing in /usr/lib/kde3, and has been that since 7.04.. I will see if I can make a patch for hardy10:19
Riddell_StefanS_: it may well need a build depend that we can't give it10:20
_StefanS_Riddell: cant we make a weak link or something then ? it can be used to access regular unencrypted dvd's aswell10:20
RiddellI'd expect mpeg to be the problem10:21
Riddellbut I'm guessing, take a look at see what you find10:22
_StefanS_Riddell: anyways, I will see if I can make it work.10:22
_StefanS_yup10:22
_StefanS_Riddell: hmm trueg says the videodvd kioslave just reads libdvdread when its used, so we wouldn't have to include it as a dependency10:30
_StefanS_Riddell: I fixed that kio_videodvd.. the files was just missing from the libk3b2 install script, they were already compiled and everything11:13
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Riddell_StefanS_: do they add any dependencies11:24
Riddell?11:24
_StefanS_Riddell: nope11:25
_StefanS_Riddell: actually I think we should add a similar option like "Rip this DVD with k3b", and just maybe call it "Rip this DVD with konqueror" or something11:25
Riddell_StefanS_: add to what?11:26
_StefanS_Riddell: to the dialog that appears when you insert a dvd11:26
_StefanS_just an idea anyways..11:26
_StefanS_prime thing is that kio_videodvd working11:26
Riddell_StefanS_: that would be duplicate functionality11:27
_StefanS_Riddell: not really since k3b cant rip to VIDEO_TS directly if the DVD is encrypted.11:28
_StefanS_Riddell: this is what can be achieved with the kio slave11:28
Riddellwhy can't it?11:28
_StefanS_Riddell: it makes an iso directly11:29
_StefanS_Riddell: no option for regular files in one go11:30
Riddellhrm, that seems a strange behaviour11:31
_StefanS_creating iso's directly?11:32
_StefanS_or what do you mean11:32
Riddell_StefanS_: well not being able to just rip the video to normal files11:36
Riddellthat's a large use case11:36
_StefanS_Riddell: I check with trueg and it was true that k3b in itself cant do it, and it would take some time to implement it directly in there, so kio it is, if you want that functionality11:37
Riddell_StefanS_: ok, go ahead and add that if you want then.  give it a descriptive name though like "rip to video on local disk"11:38
_StefanS_Riddell: yep, I will figure out a sane sentence for that option11:38
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Seregahi all12:02
Hobbseeheya12:03
Riddellhi Serega12:04
RiddelliRon: I got a compile error when compiling in gutsy12:34
Riddell/root/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.8/./kioslave/media/mediamanager/halbackend.cpp:1371: error: request for member 'latin1' in 'udi', which is of non-class type 'const char*'12:34
RiddelliRon: but I didn't get that error when compiling in hardy12:34
Riddellwhich is strange12:34
Riddelleasy enough to fix12:34
_StefanS_Riddell: any idea why my custom .desktop file keeps opening two konqueror windows when rightclicking servicemenus on a DVDrom ?12:35
_StefanS_I dont get it12:35
Riddell_StefanS_: can't say I do12:35
_StefanS_its like the konqueror opening is an implicit function of rightclicking..12:36
iRonRiddell: I got sources from hardy as you said..12:36
iRonRiddell: this is a patch for kdebase sources from hardy repo.. do i need to fix it for gutsy?12:40
RiddelliRon: no you don't, I just need it for gutsy since that's the only machine I have with a spare disk partition12:47
RiddellI was just curious why it compiled fine for hardy and not for gutsy, but it's not important12:47
iRonRiddell: is there any other tasks? i could start researching on them, while you not tested disk mount patch. :)12:50
RiddellSerega: did you do that script for the video codecs?12:51
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RiddelliRon: there's always bullet proof X12:52
iRonRiddell: ok. started :)12:55
SeregaRiddell: not yet, now I'm changing ISP so currently offline at home :(12:56
Riddellah, the old ADSL switch fight13:00
Hobbseei thought someone was fixing adept13:57
HobbseeRiddell: any plans to fix adept into building, asap?13:57
RiddellHobbsee: dunno, how is ept doing?14:02
RiddellHobbsee: seems to have worked, feel free to upload adept14:03
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HobbseeRiddell: it's built14:05
bddebianheya14:08
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RiddelliRon: that patch works swimmingly14:37
RiddelliRon: only problem I can see is it needs kdesudo, it would be nice if it also working with just kdesu installed, although I'm not sure the best way to do that14:38
Riddellwhen kdesudo gets installed it replaces the kdesu binary14:38
iRonRiddell: I just need to search for kdesudo, and if it is not found i'll search for kdesu.14:39
iRonRiddell: it's not a problem..14:39
RiddelliRon: yeah, that'll do14:39
RiddelliRon: I think it just needs to not add the --comment bit for kdesu14:39
iRon`--comment' exists for kdesu too14:40
iRonRiddell: oh.. no14:40
iRonkdesu is a link to kdesudo :)14:40
RiddelliRon: only when kdesudo is installed14:44
iRoni see14:44
RiddelliRon: if you're a gnome user who installs konqueror you don't have kdesudo installed but only the old kdesu14:44
Riddellso checking for kdesudo and falling back to kdesu without --command should work14:45
iRonok, i'll fix this14:46
Riddell--comment rather14:49
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* Eldaria_away is back.15:04
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RiddellEldaria: don't use public away15:05
Eldariaok, sorry. :-)15:06
Eldariastarted up IRC for the first time in Many years, was reading an article about kubuntu tutorials day.15:08
RiddellEldaria: oh? which article?15:08
EldariaRiddel: well it is a Swedish newspaper, but the link is http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.13696215:09
Eldarianot really an Article more of a notice. :-D15:10
Riddellnice15:11
EldariaI tried to read the transcript of the Python tutorial on my Night shift last night, but either I was too tired or I could not follow it. Will have a look again, it just seemed a bit cluttered. ;-)15:11
EldariaBeen wanting to learn some programming for linux for some time now, just seemed a bit tough to learn C, so when I read that Python was an easier language, and that I can use it to develope for Kubuntu, I figured I will give it a try, missed the live session though.15:14
EldariaI'm a previous Windows person and did some VB and VBA on Windows, but have run Kubuntu since version 5.04 now.15:15
ardchoilleEldaria: There was a recent class on pykde, check out the link here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay15:17
Eldariayes I saw that one, will have a look at it after breakfast. :-)15:19
RiddellEldaria: it would be lovely to have that re-written as a proper tutorial on http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials15:20
Eldaria:-) well let's see If I understand it first.15:22
nosrednaekimRiddell: would you prefer the compoz config to be stored via kconfig or the flat-file? flat file is way easier.15:23
nosrednaekim*compiz15:23
Eldariabut sure if I can help then why not, I got 4 days of now with no real plans... ;-)15:23
Riddellnosrednaekim: whatever is easier really15:28
nosrednaekimRiddell: thats the answer I was looking for :D15:30
Riddellfdoving: did you manage to try those flash patches?15:31
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RiddellScottK: for bug 175370 have you tested it with konqueror?17:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 175370 in gutsy-backports "Please backport flashplugin-nonfree from Hardy to Gutsy (i386)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17537017:03
ScottKRiddell: I have not.17:34
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mhbhello18:47
mhbI wish thee merry christmas, however, you're eligible for this greeting if and only if : 1. you're a Kubuntu user, fan or a developer 2. you actually use Kubuntu and like it :o)18:49
ScottKmhb: Are people like nixternal that love Vista too eligible?18:54
mhbScottK: he uses Foresight, Debian ... everything but kubuntu :o) so he can't meet #2 :o)18:55
* ScottK thought he could potentially qualify as a fan.18:56
* ScottK is getting a new Dell laptop today. So I should get another chance to try it out soon.18:56
ScottKThis is my first new laptop since 2001.18:56
mhbScottK: are you going to try out Vista? Or Kubuntu?19:00
* ScottK bought it with XP, but I won't even activate it.19:03
ScottKI actually need XP to upgrade my kid's dual boot computer from Win2K so an ipod that "Santa" is bringing will work with iTunes.19:04
ScottKSo the license won't go to waste.19:04
mhbI hate to admit it, but XP was not bad in some aspects.19:07
mhbthe theme was terrible, but graphically it is comparable with the KDE3 6 years later.19:07
mhband the file management was pretty user-friendly ( and fast) for 2001.19:08
mhbI'm not sure we're there yet in 2007 :o)19:08
mhbthat's my 2 cents.19:09
* ScottK never had an XP PC. W2K was the last one I ever owned. I don't do product activation.19:10
mhbtrue.19:10
mhbit's not nice.19:10
mhbI like it, though. The more they try to frustrate the users, the more of them considers an alternative.19:11
ScottKSure.  My wife had a virus scare recently and she's convinced to migrate.19:11
blizzzeki have to work on an win2k at work. some weeks ago i needed to install it and found out what the 2k stands for.19:15
blizzzekits the approx. no of reboots till it is ready to use19:17
* txwikinger still doesn't use XP19:19
* ScottK hasn't used Windows at all in ~2 years. I'm starting to forget how to do stuff.19:24
nixternalmhb: my main box that I use and will always use is Kubuntu, so I clearly meet #219:50
nixternal:)19:50
mhbnixternal: good to hear that :o)19:53
nixternalI have tried others, and really like others, but there isn't a love for a distro like I have with Kubuntu19:53
nixternalI mean, you dedicate 2 years of your life to such a great project, hard to really just drop it all and go else where19:54
ardchoillenixternal: Well said19:54
ardchoilleAnd Kubuntu is really the first distro I've ever seen where I had no problems. Everything just works.19:55
txwikingerThat is the nice thing.. if something bugs you, you can fix it19:56
txwikingerno need to go anywhere19:56
ardchoilleAnd I'm not talking about one computer for casual use.. I have 11 computers which pretty mcuh control everything in my home (electricity, tv/cd/dvd players, music for the house, recipe/wine database ,etc)19:57
nixternalmy only problem righ now is Intel HDA audio and my multimedia keys that control audio...that's it, but I don't use the audio all that much anyways19:58
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fdovingRiddell: yes, flash randomly works on some sites, better than nothing.22:02
txwikingerIs KDE on hardy broken?22:09
ScottKRiddell: If you're around, would you please reject the clamav upload that's in NEW.  I screwed up .changes and I think I ought to do it again.22:14
txwikingerah got it.. some corrupted files22:16
ScottKRiddell: Nevermind.22:31
apacheloggercheguevara: stdin: I have nothing to revu :(22:38
stdinI'm not feeling great today so I haven't done much, stayed in bed mostly22:39
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nixternal1 more final to go and it is over with22:46
nixternaloh man what a relief22:46
apacheloggerstdin: hehe, I should have done that as well :)22:50
TameLionhi all22:55
Riddellhi TameLion22:57
TameLionI was just looking at avant-window-navigator again.. looks like it's improved LOTS since I last tried it.. I'm fairly sure it'd be just the kind of thing Plasma will be able to do with ease. Does anyone know of an AWN-like KDE project?22:57
TameLionohh.. hi Riddell :)22:57
TameLionheh.. I guess it's back to trying some new search strings in google, then...23:05
ardchoilleTameLion: The only thing I know of is kooldock, which is in the repos23:05
nixternalhowdy Riddell, apachelogger, TameLion, mhb, stdin, ScottK...and if you didn't say anything since 16:31 CST and aren't in my active window w/o scrolling up, hi to you too :)23:05
nixternalbah23:05
stdinhuh?23:05
nixternalnot huh, hi! :)23:06
TameLionardchoille: have you seen AWN lately? kooldock doesn't even compare :( I just wondered if there was something already in the pipeline for KDE4.x or whether tweaking AWN for KDE will be the way to go23:07
nixternalthought you could use avant in kde...swore I have seen someone at the LUG with it23:09
Tm_Tnixternal: but it's not KDE!23:10
nixternaltrue.23:10
nixternalget to work on making a kde version23:10
iRonRiddell: i've implemented kdesu call for bug #17703623:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 177036 in kdebase "unable to mount hard disks which are not already mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17703623:10
Tm_Tnixternal: nah, because I don't need it :))23:12
ardchoilleTameLion: No, I haven't seen AWN in months. Has it improved that much?23:12
nixternalme either23:12
nixternaldon't need that bumpy, jumpy icon stuff23:12
nixternalalthough, it does look sharp23:12
nixternaltakes up to much space though23:12
ardchoilleI turn the jumpy stuff off, but I like the dock23:12
Tm_Tmy KDE looks sharp23:12
stdinhmm, does kfmclient-kde4 work for anyone? no matter what I put I get "Syntax Error: Not enough arguments"23:12
nixternalmy KDE looks, well like any vanilla kde would look :)23:12
nixternalplastik ftw!23:13
ardchoilleBut, tbh, I have the same thing now with plain old kicker, albeit highly customised.23:13
Tm_Tnixternal: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png23:13
nixternaltalk about old school23:14
jfinazzibonsoir23:14
nixternalwhat theme is that?23:14
nixternalhiya jfinazzi23:14
jfinazzihello23:14
jfinazzisorry :)23:14
jfinazziI was on the kubuntu-fr whannel, difficult to switch :)23:14
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mr_jay_01I'm mr_jay_01 now :)23:15
Tm_Tnixternal: there's none about oldsKool, and it's my own mix of B2(forked), Serenity and own palettes, hacks etc :-P23:15
nixternaldark, dark, and dark...screams old school to me :)  looks good though23:16
Tm_Tnixternal: easy to my eyes, that's all23:16
* Tm_T is old23:16
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mr_jay_01sorry to disturb you, but I've got one question : I'm trying to test some of my KDE4 localisations in french, but I can't manage to make my .mo been taken into account. I have a KDE4 RC2 on a KUbuntu Gutsy. Could you please help me ?23:17
ardchoilleUsing kicker for it instead of AWM or kooldock may not suit everyone, but it works great for me: http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop1sr1.png23:18
TameLionardchoille: It has changed SO much.. they've got LOADS of useful applets now; http://wiki.awn-project.org/index.php?title=Awn_Extras23:18
ardchoilleTameLion: I'll have to re-visit it :)23:19
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Tm_Tardchoille: heh, compare our shots23:20
ardchoilleAWN isn't in the repos?23:20
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TameLionardchoille: Well worth a look.23:21
TameLionohh.. the repo is deb http://apt.schmidtke-hb.de/ gutsy main23:21
ardchoilleAh, ok23:21
ardchoilleTm_T: Whoa, I like your desktop.. a lot23:21
Tm_Tthanks23:21
Tm_Tso do I ;)23:22
Tm_Tcurrently23:22
Tm_Tthough there's several things I would like to fix later23:22
ardchoilleI lack the imagination to do something that cool I think23:22
ardchoilleTm_T: Is that kde?23:23
Tm_Tsure it is23:23
mr_jay_01it looks good23:23
ardchoilleLooks like aBSD wm23:23
ardchoilleYeah, looks like the desktops you see in movies. I always wanted to do something like that.23:23
Tm_Tmovies?23:24
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Tm_Thmm, maybe I have watched too much Jerry Lewis movies...23:24
Tm_Tand Star Wars23:24
iRonTm_T was inspired by BeOS :)23:24
Tm_TiRon: correct, well, not inspired, it's partly from there but only partly23:24
ardchoilleStuff like that is what prompted me to ask in the forums about a window manager which slides all windows in from random sides of the screen and moves a window to the centre when it gets focused, moving back when it loses focus.23:26
Tm_Theh23:28
Tm_TI have added autoplacing of titlebar to have on/off switch23:28
Tm_Tin this B2 windeco23:29
Tm_Tfunny feature that is23:29
ardchoilleWhat does it do?23:29
Tm_Twell if its on, it tries to place titlebars so they all are visible (not behind other windows)23:30
Tm_TI rather place them myself though23:30
ardchoilleNice feature23:30
Tm_Ttrue23:31
Tm_Tfunny game too for boring moments23:31
ardchoilleI kinda wish kde had a feature where you could drag any window titlebar to another and those two would become "tabbed" until you dragged one away23:31
Tm_Thave several windows on top of each other and start moving one titlebar23:31
Tm_Tall trying to find their place =)23:32
ardchoillehahaha23:32
ardchoilleYour window manager is saying "I wish he wouldn't do that"23:32
Tm_Tardchoille: I sorta have "tabbed" windows, two windows on top of each other, titlebars in line :-P23:32
Tm_Tpoor mans emulation23:33
ardchoillehehe23:33
Tm_Tthat's how I do with fullscreen apps23:33
ardchoilleI should try that23:33
iRon01:39am.. need to sleep :-(23:38
nixternalooh, as soon as oo.o is updated, I can finally update...that is the only thing set to "remove" in all 403820438 updates :)23:43
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