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fbondCan anyone remove a package from my PPA for me?00:13
fbondI made a versioning error and I need to wipe out the old version of a package to correct it.00:14
Fujitsufbond: Please ask a question on the launchpad project.00:15
fbondFujitsu: will do.00:15
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jameshPPAs are pretty cool unless you get stuck behind the ubuntu-langpack builds04:27
Hobbseeheh :)04:28
Hobbseejamesh: nothing you can do about them either, unless you have root access to those buildds.04:28
jameshI've just been playing round with packaging a newer version of bzr-pqm04:29
* Hobbsee wasn't aware that that was public.04:31
jameshHobbsee: bzr-pqm is just a plugin to submit PQM messages04:31
jameshan old version of it is even packaged in Ubuntu04:32
Hobbseeahh04:32
jameshthe actual PQM server software is available at https://launchpad.net/pqm04:32
spivBoth bzr-pqm and PQM have always been public.04:32
jameshI don't know if that is packaged, since it is a pain to set up04:32
Hobbseeneat!04:34
Hobbseejamesh: it appears you're in luck.  this appears to be the last lot of langpacks05:09
Hobbseeas in, the 3 building now05:09
poolieis there a shortcut url for ~me?05:37
pooliei thought it was launchpad.net/+me but that doesn't work05:37
Fujitsupoolie: /people/+me05:38
pooliethanks06:35
* poolie tries a PPA upload06:35
pooliehow exciting06:35
FujitsuHave you activated it yet? I can't see it, though LP might be hiding it from me because it has no uploads.06:38
pooliewoot06:43
pooliehttps://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive06:43
poolieso to get a package built for multiple ubuntu versions06:50
pooliedo i need to upload several times?06:50
Fujitsupoolie: Correct. With different version numbers.07:00
FujitsuAppending ~gutsy1, ~feisty1, etc. is the norm.07:00
poolielifeless says those should be omitted07:01
FujitsuI say they shouldn't be.07:01
FujitsuThe packages share the same pool, so the versions must be different.07:01
FujitsuAlso, why is it a native package?07:03
poolieit's not, or at least it's not meant to be ?07:05
lifelessshouldn't be07:05
lifelessoh, if PPA has one pool then yes you need different qualifiers.07:05
lifelessYet another reason not to use PPA :(. I hope they get this fixed soon.07:05
FujitsuIt is, but shouldn't be. You need the .orig.tar.gz in the parent directory, and to have a hyphen somewhere in the version.07:06
FujitsuThis is intended behaviour.07:06
FujitsuI wouldn't call it a bug.07:06
lifelessFujitsu: thats ok, I'll do that.07:06
FujitsuAllowing the same version in multiple distroseries is evil.07:06
Fujitsu(unless they're inherited from lower ones)07:06
poolieoh, i see, it's the missing hyphen07:06
poolieso what would be a better name? 1.0-1bazaar1?07:07
Fujitsu1.0-1~bazaar107:07
poolieok07:07
lifelessFujitsu: if you have distro contents files it's functional but ugly to require the person requesting the build to manage the set of target distros. Bad UI.07:07
lifelesspoolie: if you are reusing my packaging you want 1.0-1~bazaar1~gutsy107:08
lifelesserm07:08
Fujitsulifeless: Different distros have different build environments. There's no other way to do it.07:08
lifeless1.0-1~bazaar1gutsy107:08
lifelessetc07:08
* Fujitsu would use ~bazaar1~gutsy107:08
poolie1.0-1~bazaar1-gutsy107:08
lifelessFujitsu: Consider it a challenge not something to lay down the law on07:08
lifelesspoolie: no -07:08
lifelessFujitsu: gutsy isn't before baazaar. only one ~07:09
pooliebecause the digits implicitly separate parts07:09
poolie?07:09
Fujitsulifeless: I would normally upload 1.0-1~bazaar1 to Hardy, then 1.0-1~bazaar1~gutsy1 to Gutsy, etc.07:09
FujitsuIt's how backports are done, and consistency is good.07:09
lifelesspoolie: also, I wouldn't suggest sorting below debian/ubuntu builds07:10
lifelesspoolie: because you're wanting to override, not underride07:10
* Fujitsu would definitely advise sorting below them.07:10
lifelessFujitsu: is today your 'disagree with everything' day?07:10
FujitsuIsn't the purpose to just backport 1.0 to previous releases?07:10
lifelessno07:10
lifelessor at least it hasn't been for the last X period.07:10
lifelesssigh, I've been sucked into work.07:10
lifelessBYE07:11
pooliei want to be above eg 0.91, but below the "official" 1.007:11
pooliebye!07:11
FujitsuThat's what I thought you were trying to do, right.07:11
FujitsuSo 1.0-1~bazaar1~gutsy1, with the use of the second tilde being debatable.07:13
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ubotuNew bug: #177087 in soyuz "+archive has headings mixed up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17708707:25
jameshFujitsu: is there any reason for using Ubuntu release codenames rather than version numbers?07:26
jameshFujitsu: since that makes 1.0-1~bazaar1~gutsy1 older than 1.0-1~bazaar1~warty1, which seems wrong07:27
jamesh(not that people are going to be building new warty packages, but the point still stands)07:28
poolieotoh that's a good reason for ubuntu to stick to alpha numbers07:37
poolieleaving open the issue of what happens after the zesty zebra07:37
peepoanyone about?08:56
peepoI filed various inkscape bugs as "peepo"08:56
peepobut launchpad doesn't recognise my email address08:56
peepois that 'normal'08:57
peepoie do I need separate accounts, to file and review bugs?08:57
peepohello?09:00
peepothere's no wfm so what's next best?09:00
BjornTpeepo: you have to activate your account in launchpad09:00
BjornTpeepo: if you go to https://edge.launchpad.net/~peepo/, you'll see there's a "Hey, I'm Peepo" link09:00
peepolater09:00
peepohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/16580409:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 165804 in inkscape "GTK-quartzvm detached toolbar stay on top even when inactive" [Low,Incomplete]  - Assigned to Mjwybrow (mjwybrow)09:00
ubotuNew bug: #177108 in malone "Bug pages do not show project/distro logo any more" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17710809:40
Fujitsujamesh: I didn't define the standard. It has been used by backports for a number of years. Besides, releases are in alphabetical order since Breezy, and will remain so.10:30
jameshFujitsu: ... until Z10:30
jameshas poolie said10:31
Fujitsujamesh: True. Which is a while off.10:31
jameshFujitsu: it seems stupid to rely on a convention that will eventually break, and we haven't even consistently followed in the past10:32
FujitsuRight. (though it's not so much not following it as it didn't exist)10:32
jameshespecially when there is an alternative that has been consistently followed and won't break (i.e. that Ubuntu's version number will always increase)10:32
FujitsuI'm not sure why version numbers aren't used, and it seems strange not to.10:32
FujitsuRight.10:32
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ubotuNew bug: #177119 in malone "checkwatches fails trying to updated a conjoined bugtask" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17711910:41
* Fujitsu wonders where one would have a conjoined task with a watch.10:41
FujitsuAh, so it shouldn't be allowed. I see.10:42
kikoyeah, it's a bug10:46
kikoas usual :)10:46
ubotuNew bug: #177125 in malone "update-manager crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17712511:20
ubotuNew bug: #177131 in launchpad "No way to delete or remove a release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17713111:35
frenchyRe 177131: Oh, I hear that!11:36
frenchyWhy don't we show a list of current bugs when we click on the bugs tab?  It seems inconsistent with the rest of the site.11:39
* Fujitsu likes the way sourcepackages work (ie. like that, without the graph etc.)11:40
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frenchyDon't get me wrong, I like the graph, it could go above "Key contacts".12:02
* Fujitsu thought the graph was going away soon anyway.12:02
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Hobbseekiko: ping13:05
mtaylorfunny, I was just going to also say kiko: ping13:07
kikomtaylor, Hobbsee: oink13:08
Hobbseekiko: would have thoguht that with using ppa as a component name...commercial partners may not like it, for the private repositories.13:09
Hobbseeno idea how public you wan't that13:09
Hobbsee(or discussions about it)13:10
mtaylorkiko, Hobbsee: ppa in the component name doesn't bother me so much...13:22
kikome neither13:22
mtaylorcould also stand for "private package archive" :)13:22
kikonor do I think it'd bother commercial partners13:22
kikobut we'll need to investigate that further13:22
kikoit has some unwanted soyuz consequences13:22
mtaylorkiko: so did the things in that other mail all sound doable? 13:23
mtaylorand/or make sense?13:23
kikomtaylor, the one with a large number of concerns?13:23
mtayloryes13:23
kikoI didn't read that one :) I just read the reply13:23
mtaylorhehe13:23
mtaylorit's too long13:23
mtaylorI think I started to ramble13:23
kikoyeah. but somebody else should read it -- bigjools or cprov-out 13:23
kikoand if not holler13:23
mtaylorkiko: statik told me I should get you to comment on it13:24
mtaylorkiko: wait. perhaps we're talking about different mails13:24
* Hobbsee notes that the docs could really do with a rewrite, now that the target audience has changed.13:26
mtaylorkiko: I was talking about the email in the "Re: Monty in Brazil and PPAs" thread13:27
Hobbseemtaylor: oh, that one.13:28
kikomtaylor, oh! I think that's all doable13:29
mtaylorkiko: ok - great! :) 13:29
kikowe are talking about different emails.13:29
mtaylorit started to seem that way13:30
kikoit does require some rather minor engineering work on our end -- the debian import in particular13:30
kikobut we have wanted to do that anyway, so having some pressure on it would be good.13:30
mtaylorglad I can help, then 13:30
mtayloranything else you'd like me to add to the list of things we need? 13:31
kikohah! not right now -- this has been a busy december as it is13:31
mtaylorgood. well I'm going to chat this week with statik and the businessy folks on my side hopefully and see what we can get worked out13:32
HobbseeFWIW, i gave mrevell a list of questions that would be good to answer in a ppa faw13:32
kikomtaylor, okay, am very much looking forward to that.13:32
Hobbseeer, faq13:32
Hobbseeno idea if you guys will find it useful.13:32
kikoHobbsee, you did? I'll see that julian and cprov look at it and make it happen13:32
Hobbseekiko: cool, although i suspect it'll be mroe useful for someone to write who *doesn't* know soyuz inside out, and who is more of a new person looking in13:33
bigjoolswell give me a chance to do it and then you can decide that13:34
Hobbseebigjools: by all means.13:34
bigjoolscool13:35
Hobbseebigjools: http://rafb.net/p/9eO3Kc15.html was the list.13:35
* Hobbsee can email it, etc13:35
bigjoolsI got it, thanks13:35
kikogood ole rafb13:36
Hobbseelooks like there's the ppa documentation thread with a few more bits in it, too13:37
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ubotuNew bug: #177162 in loggerhead "codebrowse doesn't show content of added files on revision page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17716214:00
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MvGHi! There is a bug in the inkscape bug database on launchpad, which was written by me ages ago. However the system doesn't seem to have an account for me, at least for any of the mail addresses I usually use. Were the inkscape bugs migrated from somewhere else? If so, what happened to accounts?15:13
ubotuNew bug: #177167 in launchpad "Incorrect email subject when user joins an open team" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17716715:15
radixMvG: I suggest reading the paragraph at https://edge.launchpad.net/people and probably clicking the link in it15:23
radixhmm, actually15:23
radixif you don't already have another account...15:23
radixthere's probably a way to claim an account without creating a separate one15:23
radixMvG: actually, I bet if you try to register with the email address that they already have for you it'll ask if you want to claim the account15:24
MvGradix: OK, I had a closer look at the last mail I got from the system, and found it was sent to my sourceforge mail address. With that I could claim the account. Thanks.15:25
radixMvG: I'm not a LP dev, so these are mostly guesses :)15:26
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MattCampbellIf I initially pushed a branch to LP using bzr+ssh using bzr 1.0rc3, is there any risk of braking it if I then bind to it using sftp, again running bzr 1.0rc3, and commit that way?16:23
MattCampbellkeeping in mind that LP is running bzr 0.9216:23
MattCampbellIt should be documented somewhere that bzr 1.0 users need to use sftp, not bzr+ssh, to commit to bzr branches at LP.16:37
mwhudsonlaunchpad will be running 1.0 by, uh, tomorrow i think16:38
MattCampbellCool, thanks.16:38
MattCampbellthe joys of being an early adopter :)16:38
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mwhudsonyar16:41
ubotuNew bug: #177188 in malone "+editstatus doe not check that the bug was converted into a question" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17718816:55
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jonasbjorkhi ppl!18:14
jonasbjorki am trying to import a cvs-repo into launchpad18:14
jonasbjorkno sucess at all18:14
jonasbjorkcvs-repo: :pserver:anonymous@cvs.fritis.berlios.de:/cvsroot/fritis18:14
mwhudsonjonasbjork: what project/series?18:15
mwhudsonjonasbjork: oh, https://edge.launchpad.net/pyrisk/java-deprecated right?18:15
jonasbjorkmwhudson: no?18:15
mwhudsonoops18:16
jonasbjorkor, well that seems to be kind of what i want18:16
jonasbjorkbut for another project ;)18:16
mwhudsonpretend i didn't mention that project18:16
mwhudsonjonasbjork: which?18:16
jonasbjorkthat you linked to18:16
mwhudsonjonasbjork: i am a vcs-imports operator18:16
jonasbjorkseems to be a cvs imported project18:16
mwhudsonjonasbjork: tell me which project you are trying to set up an import for18:16
jonasbjorkcvs-repo: :pserver:anonymous@cvs.fritis.berlios.de:/cvsroot/fritis18:16
jonasbjorkmy launchpad project is "Fritis"18:17
mwhudsonjonasbjork: you need to enter the details on https://edge.launchpad.net/fritis/trunk/+source18:18
jonasbjorkok found it18:19
jonasbjorkmay i ask, can i import the cvs-code and start use bazaar instead of berlios-cvs?18:20
kiko-phoneyes!18:21
mwhudsonjonasbjork: that's the idea :)18:22
jonasbjorkas far as i understand my project will be mirrored from berlios18:23
mwhudsonyes18:23
jonasbjorkbut launchpad makes an own repository for it and i can work with that?18:23
jonasbjorki'm a total newbie at this as you might understand ;)18:23
mwhudsonwhat you say is true, though not necessarily a helpful way of saying things18:24
mwhudsonjonasbjork: have you used bazaar at all?18:24
jonasbjorkmwhudson: nope, i'm a cvs/svn guy18:24
jonasbjorkread some tutorial that explained how to use bazaar18:25
jonasbjorkbzr command that is18:25
mwhudsonso yes, launchpad makes its own repository containing a mirror of the cvs repository18:25
mwhudsonthen you will get a copy of this repository and can commit to it, pull in changes from the cvs mirror, push it to launchpad etc18:26
mwhudsonso you use launchpad's repository as a data source, but you won't be writing to it18:26
jonasbjorkok, so i still commit to cvs.berlios.de ?18:27
mwhudsonuh18:27
mwhudsonmaybe18:27
mwhudsondepends what you're trying to achieve18:27
radixyou *can* still commit to the CVS server, and the launchpad mirror will be updated regularly18:27
radixor, you can make branches from the LP mirror and use bzr to do your work.18:28
kiko-phoneif you want to migrate and then abandon berlios18:28
kiko-phonethen mwhudson can help you more. :)18:28
jonasbjorkbut i should start using my bazaar repo when it is imported from cvs?18:28
jonasbjorkok, think i get it now18:28
jonasbjorki'll just wait for my repo to be imported and try then 18:29
mwhudsonjonasbjork: i've started the import18:30
mwhudsonit can take anything from a few minutes to several days18:30
jonasbjorkok18:30
jonasbjorkImport status:  Processing18:30
jonasbjorkit changed ! :)18:30
jonasbjorkmwhudson: thanks for your help18:30
mwhudsonjonasbjork: np18:30
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bdmurrayI'm looking at the upstream watch for bug 84603 and it seems to be out of sync19:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 84603 in linux "Hard disk I/O randomly freezes when hald is running and optical drive is empty" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8460319:04
bdmurrayAny malone people around?19:05
mwhudsonjonasbjork: your import is failing in a mysterious (to me) way19:42
mwhudsonjonasbjork: i'll have to look at it tomorrow19:43
ubotuNew bug: #177230 in malone "upstream bug watch for bug 84603 is incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17723019:51
ubotuNew bug: #177232 in malone "linux-source-2.6.24 package shouldn't allow bug reports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17723219:51
jonasbjorkmwhudson: ok, thanks for beeing helpful19:53
JordanCHey folks20:39
JordanCAnyone else have any troubles with clearsigning the Ubuntu CoC20:39
JordanCI did it, but when I paste the file contacts there are errors20:39
JordanC(7, 9, 'No public key')20:40
ubotuNew bug: #177241 in launchpad "It's difficult to tell that your application for official mirror status was declined" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17724120:40
sorenJordanC: Did you upload your key first?22:18
soren#launchpad - where all your patience are belong to us22:18
JordanCIt's done now22:19
sorenJordanC: Oh, cool.22:19
JordanCoh22:19
JordanCNo it's not22:19
JordanC:/22:19
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pooliedoes anyone know if there's a limit on the size of release download files?22:29
Rinchenbac, ^^22:42
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poolieRinchen, fyi, Szilveszter did successfully upload his 30MB mac installer23:15
pooliebut when john tried, he got a 400 error23:15
Rincheninteresting23:15
pooliewhich hopefully turned into an oops23:15
pooliemaybe it'd be good to have either a faq or display in the upload dialog about the limit, if any23:16
JordanC|CodeHey sexy launchpadders23:16
bacpoolie: the upload limit is 30Mb23:17
RinchenI knew bac is faster than grep ;-) 23:17
poolieheh23:17
pooliebac, Rinchen, it's a nice feature btw23:18
RinchenI'm still greping to find the answer :-)23:18
bacRinchen: you're just lucky.  i only woke up 2 minutes ago23:18
Rinchenbac where do we set that limit? hardcode, config, or zope-thing?23:18
bacbac@sapa:~/canonical/lp-branches/feeds-branches/configs/default$ grep size launchpad.conf 23:18
Rinchenah thanks23:18
bac max_productrelease_file_size 3145728023:19
Rinchenwell, that's why I don't see it.. I don't have feeds-branches, only trunk23:19
poolieit looks like we just scraped under this time23:20
bacRinchen: no, no...it's been in trunk for ages23:20
pooliethere are open source releases which are larger...23:20
bacthat's just the branch i was sitting in23:20
Rinchenah..ok, I'll keep looking. my interest is piqued23:20
bacpoolie:  we can bump that up.  the survey i did at the time seemed to indicate 30Mb was a good limit.  i think we based it off the openoffice installer size23:21
pooliethis one is kind of surprisingly large23:21
pooliebut the convention for mac stuff is to ship all the dependencies in one blob23:21
poolieso it's big23:22
bacpoolie:  ah, ok.  mac stuff we didn't take into account23:22
bacpoolie:  want to throw out a number?23:22
Rinchenbac, ok, I found it ...and also realized the pain of the config system in the process23:23
pooliei'd say, take the largest example you've heard of and double it23:23
poolieso, 60MB?23:23
poolieis anything going to break if it gets larger?23:24
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pooliei see there's some potential for abuse, whatever the size23:24
bacpoolie: i assume nothing would break but that hasn't been tested yet...23:24
Rinchenbac, db timeouts?23:24
bacRinchen: doubtful.  the blob is stored on the file system with only references to it in the db, as done by the librarian23:25
Rinchenah, nifty23:25

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