[00:25] <alteregolio> high
[02:13] <Toma-> what would be nice, is apt-get or aptitude making a suggestion of what packages to remove if youre running out of disk space. kind of like running deborphan when its needed or something
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> You would need to work out how often things are run to make a sane decision as of what to remove
[03:23] <ghuang> hi
[03:23] <ghuang> during boot of the hardy alpha 1 CD on my laptop, it gets stuck diplaying this message over and over:
[03:24] <ghuang> bcm43xx: Error: microcode bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not available or load failed
[03:24] <ghuang> not like rapidly, but once every 30 secodns or so
[03:24] <ghuang> I have my ethernet plugged in, so it's not like it *has* to figure out the wireless to proceed
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> Get the microcode ?
[03:24] <ghuang> any ideas?
[03:24] <ghuang> how can I get the microcode in the middle of kernel init on a bootable CD?
[03:25] <ghuang> I am familiar with this scenario when linux is already isntalled -- this is different
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> Are you running 2.6.24-1 ?
[03:26] <ghuang> whatever is on the hardy alpha 1 bootable CD
[03:27] <ghuang> 2.6.22-14
[03:27] <ghuang> it's ata  shell prompt (finally), but X didn't start at all
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> Thats the gutsy kernel still
[03:27] <ghuang> it must be an issue with the hardy CD packaging, then ;)
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> As far as I can see there is no restricted modules for the hardy kernel yet
[03:28] <ghuang> ah
[03:28] <ghuang> that's too bad, I was hoping to help out with testing
[03:28] <ghuang> I guess I'll install using gutsy and then try upgrading from there
[03:28] <ghuang> thanks for the info! :)
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> ghuang: You could try a daily build or alpha 2 (if alpha 2 exists)
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> or the netboot/mini.iso (that has never failed for me yet)
[05:31] <tumbleweed__> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/slocate_3.1-1.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:34] <Hobbsee> is there a bug about it?
[05:35]  * tumbleweed__ checks
[05:36] <tumbleweed__> nope
[05:42] <compwiz18> tumbleweed__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/157661
[05:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157661 in slocate "package slocate 3.1-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed]
[05:42] <tumbleweed__> ah
[05:42] <tumbleweed__> I was looking in hardy
[05:43] <compwiz18> it isn't in Hardy?
[05:43] <tumbleweed__> nope
[05:43] <tumbleweed__> didn't have this problem in gutsy, either
[05:43] <compwiz18> me neither
[05:43] <compwiz18> its a hardy update, I think
[05:44]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs
[05:45] <Hobbsee> looks like a gutsy--> hardy dist-upgrade problem
[05:45] <compwiz18> yeah
[05:46] <DarkMageZ> not a gutsy --> hardy problem. i have it on my hardy alpha 1 clean install.
[05:46] <DarkMageZ> after updates of course :p
[05:47] <compwiz18> same
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:47] <Hobbsee> yes, but we only carea bout gutsy --> hardy, or current clean-installs from herd 2 (when it's out)
[05:54] <malnilion> Why are they called herds?
[05:55] <tumbleweed__> nope
[05:55] <tumbleweed__> I did a clean install of hardy
[05:55] <Hobbsee> malnilion: they're not
[05:55] <Hobbsee> tumbleweed__: off what?
[05:55] <tumbleweed__> an alternate install disc
[05:55] <Hobbsee> alpha 1?
[05:55] <tumbleweed__> yup
[05:56] <Hobbsee> well, that was not ever promised to be trouble free
[05:56] <tumbleweed__> right
[05:56] <tumbleweed__> wasn't what I was looking for :P
[05:57] <Hobbsee> the bug has the solution, if you were looking for that
[05:57] <tumbleweed__> yup, saw it
[05:57]  * Hobbsee was more interested about where it's going to hit, and if it should be required to be fixed for tribe 2.
[05:58] <tumbleweed__> doesn't seem as if it will need to be fixed by tribe 2, as it's an upgrade issue, and a newer version will be in tribe 2
[05:58] <tumbleweed__> unless I'm mistaken
[05:59] <compwiz18> that sounds right
[05:59] <compwiz18> its a upgrade issue, not installation
[07:09] <DanaG> Yay, it seems like the 2.6.24-2-generic kernel is at least slightly less laggy than the .24-1 kernel.
[07:09] <DanaG> But it's stilll rather annoying.
[07:16] <DanaG> Argh, that trackerd icon is distracting.
[07:18] <gary4gar> becuase bug 43154 my system crashes :(, now Via came up with new driver. can anyone help me install & configure the new driver?
[07:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43154 in xserver-xorg-video-via "freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
[07:22] <DanaG> Wow, this new scheduler sucks.
[07:22] <DanaG> I
[07:23] <DanaG> I'm getting audio cracking when trying to use the 'duplicate' feature in PulseAudio.
[07:24] <DanaG> It only stops crackling when I stop folding@home.
[08:22] <gary4gar> j #uclibc
[08:50] <gary4gar> what is VMI-ONLY path or V4L path?
[08:51] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: VMI is the vmware paravirtualised interface
[08:51] <gary4gar> and V4L?
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> video for linux
[08:52] <gary4gar> okay thanks
[08:53] <gary4gar> i am trying to compile driver from source, but facing lot of issues
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> which driver ?
[08:53] <gary4gar> VIA Linux K8M64XF41061 Driver kernel Source Code
[08:53] <gary4gar>  Product/s:  	K8M800/K8N800 UniChrome Pro integrated graphics
[08:54] <gary4gar> bug #43154
[08:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43154 in xserver-xorg-video-via "freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> are you sure its for 2.6.24 ?
[08:54] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, i have both, then gutsy kernel & hardy 's kernel
[08:55] <gary4gar> on whichever this thing works, i will make a switch :)
[08:56] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: Where can I get the thing you are trying to compile from ?
[08:57] <gary4gar> http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/k8m64xf41061-kernel-src_20050926.tgz
[08:57] <gary4gar> ^^direct link
[08:57] <gary4gar> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=25&CatID=2580&SubCatID=109
[08:57] <gary4gar> ^^information of the driver packsge
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: Are you sure thats the new just released driver ?
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> (that is mentioned in the bug report - seems wierd that it has 2005 in the filename
[08:59] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, yeah...the date is :13 December 2007
[08:59] <gary4gar> few days back
[09:00] <gary4gar> oops my mistake, i gave the wrong link
[09:00] <gary4gar> http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/cle266cn400cn-cx700cn800xorg40072-kernel-src_20071213d.rar
[09:00] <gary4gar> ^^^correct one
[09:00] <gary4gar> there also a binary available
[09:00] <gary4gar> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=45&CatID=3220&SubCatID=150
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> That build system is a complete mess
[09:01] <gary4gar> yeah i know
[09:01] <gary4gar> topic running on this in forums : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636368
[09:08] <mrtimdog> Hi, I've just installed an alternative browser with no problems (Swiftfox). But when I create a gnome desktop URL link this link always opens in Firefox. I've changed the default applications, and also the alternatives for x-www-browser but no luck!
[09:09] <mrtimdog> What do I need to change to change the default browser for desktop URL links?
[09:10] <Tomcat_> mrtimdog: Have you checked that FF is closed? Sometimes, FF derivates just open another window of an existing FF. :)
[09:12] <mrtimdog> Hi Tomcat_: Yes all ff and sf processes were gone.
[09:13] <mrtimdog> When a Swiftfox browser is open, the desktop link will open within the running Swiftfox. It's just for when a new browser is needed to open the link.
[09:16] <Tomcat_> mrtimdog: Mh. What does "gnome-open <URL>" do?
[09:19] <mrtimdog> Tomcat_: gedit!
[09:19] <Tomcat_> Eh. .)
[09:20] <mrtimdog> Tomcat_: It's a .desktop file, with a Type=Link and a URL=http://... entries.
[09:20] <mrtimdog> Is there a way of listing any registered URL type handlers?
[09:21] <mikkael> the kdesudo part in systemsettings/kcontrol is broken in hardy (which is already reported in launchpad). i need to access the kdm settings, what would be the kcmshell command to launch this with kdesu ?
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xorg-video-via
[09:27] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-via: X.Org X server -- VIA display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.2.2-5 (hardy), package size 146 kB, installed size 456 kB
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: Yeah you don't need that very old version of DRI
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: There is another one in the updated rar file
[09:44] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, where?, link please?
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: Just underneath the other one
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> http://drivers.viaarena.com/cle266cn400cn-cx700cn800xorg40072-kernel-src_20071213d.rar
[09:48] <clusty> hey
[09:48] <clusty> i am having some issues with the java and new X
[09:48] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, whats your video card?
[09:48] <clusty> the famous lock issue with some library
[09:48] <clusty> any ideas how to fix it?
[09:49] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, but thats a old 14 February 2007, A Valentine gift from Via
[09:49] <gary4gar> :p
[09:49] <gary4gar> lol
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: I use nvidia don't like it though
[09:52] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, mobo?
[09:53] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: No seperate graphics card
[09:54] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, oh
[09:55] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, can you help me in enable 3d support ?
[09:55] <mikkael> ive got a nasty problem in kubuntu hardy: i wanted kdm to autologin my user. kdesudo in systemsettings/kcontrol is broken. i used "kdesu kcmshell kdm" and changed it to autologin, but kdm respect my changes. then i tried the same but with "sudo" (which was propably bad), now kdm doesnt start at boot, i have to switch to another tty, startx, and launch kdesktop, kicker, kwin manually to have a desktop back. any idea how i can fix kdm again
[09:56] <mikkael> *kdm didnt respect my changes with kdesu..
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: I am trying to build the damn thing right now
[09:59] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, but you don't have the required hardware, then how can you manage?
[10:00] <mikkael> brb
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: I know what the current driver looks like
[10:07] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, sadly unichrome part of Mesa is unmaintained. :(
[10:11] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn,forums at via, might be help too, http://forums.viaarena.com/categories.aspx?catid=28&entercat=y if you succed then please do write a Howto or a wiki page on it for sure :)
[10:11] <gary4gar> if you don't have much time then guide me,  i can write a write on your behalf, with all due credits :
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: I cannot guarantee I can do it - its seems its a forked version of - http://www.openchrome.org
[10:24] <gary4gar> i was already using open-chrome
[10:25] <gary4gar> are there any performance boost & does the hanging problem still there?
[10:27] <gary4gar> h3sp4wn, you are trying is a big deal for me, if you succeed then great, else its okay :)
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> gary4gar: openchrome has not been updated since october
[10:30] <gary4gar> yeah..i noticed that, i too gave up, & now thinking to get a nvidia 5200
[10:30] <gary4gar> if the issue does not solve soon
[13:46] <rgreening> Anyone have a problem with adept meta package and recent updates causing conflict and adept packages to be removed? It seems that the adept metapackage needs to be updated else it causes all other deps to be removed. Was this intended or a small error?
[13:53] <Hobbsee> rgreening: yes
[13:54] <rgreening> Hobbsee: any idea on how to correctly fix or recover? I could temp use the apt-get or aptitude from command line, but I'd like to get adept back or whatever the Hardy Heron GUI manager will be for Kubuntu
[13:55] <Hobbsee> rgreening: do a dist-upgrade
[13:56] <rgreening> 1 sec then...
[13:56] <Hobbsee> oh, wait
[13:56] <rgreening> no. that wont help.
[13:57] <rgreening> Im already at latest dist and updates, which removed the adept
[13:57] <Pici> I typically use aptitude and use its 'the follwing actions will resolve this thing' options to pick something that works for me.
[13:57] <rgreening> It applied a bunch of updates to apt, which caused adept to be removed.
[13:57] <Hobbsee> yup
[13:57] <Hobbsee> Pici: adept needs to be rebuilt, etc
[13:58] <Hobbsee> iirc, it didn't actuallyb uild with the new stuff
[13:58] <Pici> Hobbsee: Right, I realize that.
[13:58] <h3sp4wn> Pici: Thats what I usually do - but recently first sign of trouble I just do an aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:04] <rgreening> so, will adept meta package get rebuilt?
[14:04] <rgreening> I really dislike using aptitude long-term
[14:06] <Pici> I can't speak for the devs for when that will happen, but usaually given a period of time these things 'fix themselves' (in other words, the devs work their magic)
[14:06] <Hobbsee> rgreening: yes, eventually
[14:07] <rgreening> I guess I'll try and revent my blunder. I was holding back the update which was going to remove adept, but accidentally did the update this am. DOH.
[14:08] <rgreening> I'll prob use synaptic for now.
[15:11] <WorkingOnWise> good morning. I just did a fresh install from the alpha1 cd. I expected to be greeted with the restricted driver manager so I couln get my Nvidia Geforce GO 6100 video card. Where do you go to setup the 3d vid drivers the "ubuntu" way in Hardy?
[15:13] <Pici> The restricted drivers manager should be there, if its not, you might need to install it. (There was an issue in the Gutsy alphas that you had to do that too)
[15:13] <Pici> My install was an upgrade, so I didnt encounter this.
[15:13] <bazhang> I had to install mine
[15:16] <livingdaylight> Anyone here know or have any thought about the future adoption of Conary as a pm replacement to APT?
[15:16] <WorkingOnWise> ty everyone. will go now and instal it.
[15:17] <Pici> I don't forsee that happening any time in the near future, especially for an LTS release.
[15:18] <livingdaylight> shame it would be nice to see more innovation and ubuntu being brought into the future
[15:18] <crdlb> ubuntu is based on debian, so unless debian moves to conary ... :)
[15:19] <Pici> Huge changes tend not to be made before an LTS release, we're aiming for stability.
[15:20] <livingdaylight> crdlb, conary is just a package manager
[15:20] <crdlb> right, and using it would mean dropping dpkg and apt
[15:21] <livingdaylight> Ubuntu was founded on doing things better ... if conary is better than apt why not adopt is... they did consider smart a while back didn't they?
[15:23] <crdlb> because rewrites are bad
[15:23] <crdlb> anyway, that's not a support question, so it's offtopic for this channel too :)
[15:23] <bazhang> haha
[15:29] <WorkingOnWise> i hit the enable checkbox in rdm for the NVIDIA drivers and get the error "Reconfiguring X.org video drivers is not possible: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid or does not exist. I used gedit to look at the xorg.conf, which indeed did not exist in that location, so I saved a blank one there, hoping that rdm would accept it and config my video. What do I do?
[15:35] <cypherdelic> Somehow after an update my /var/lib/dpkg/available was currupted, so I rm'ed it and run apt-get update and upgrade, but dpkg still claims for that missing file, please help.
[15:37] <cypherdelic> Any ideas?
[15:39] <cypherdelic> can somebody send me his file?
[15:39] <albert23> cypherdelic: don't you have /var/lib/dpkg/available-old?
[15:40] <cypherdelic> hold on ill have a look
[15:43] <WorkingOnWise> I know there is intended to be a clean simple  GUI way to do this. It worked perfectly in Gutsy. Is it broke in Hardy? I didnt find anything in launchpad. It has happened 2 times on the same laptop. Is this broke? Do I report Theres so much in launchpad now I hate to add redundant bugs....
[15:43] <WorkingOnWise> oh....AMD64 also...sorry
[15:44] <kalpik> WorkingOnWise, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:46] <WorkingOnWise> kalpik: what went wrong that that is needed. I am looking to the final rlease, when mom and pop will be installing this, and they get the same problem. They won't even know what to ask, or where, let alone understand the answer. They will just think Ubuntu is junk and stay in Windows
[15:47] <kalpik> WorkingOnWise, hardy is not meant for your mom and dad right now :)
[15:47] <kalpik> WorkingOnWise, things WILL break time and again during alphas.. read the topic! :)
[15:48] <WorkingOnWise> kalpik: hehe...yeah, but if this is a problem is a bug, I want to help fix it, so Hardy is ready for mom and pop...
[15:52] <WorkingOnWise> I guess I will file a bug report and old off on repairing it in case there are any questions on the current state. I can go a few days without 3D and compiz-fusion for the good of dear old ma and pa....
[15:52] <WorkingOnWise> old=hold
[15:52] <bardyr> Morgen
[15:53] <WorkingOnWise> is rdm going to be installed and in the panel by default for the final release, like it was in Gutsy?
[15:53] <Pici> I've gone without compositing since I upgraded to Hardy.
[15:53] <bardyr> why?
[15:54] <WorkingOnWise> Pici: my heart is heavy for u....
[15:54] <WorkingOnWise> hehe
[15:54] <Pici> bardyr: me?
[15:54] <bardyr> yea
[15:54] <kalpik> WorkingOnWise, definitely report bugs! That's what public alpha testing is all about! but you really cant complain if it breaks :)
[15:55] <Pici> bardyr: Well, I was a bit wrong. Compositing support is there, but no compositing window manager (compiz) will run. Bug 173663
[15:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173663
[15:55] <WorkingOnWise> kalpik: I am not complaining. I know it will break. When they do, I thought this was the first place to come to begin to sort it out....
[15:56] <bardyr> Pici, whitelist fglrx :)
[15:56] <Pici> bardyr: I did.
[15:56] <DanaG> One thing that DID surprise me:
[15:56] <bardyr> Pici, does aiglx/glx work?
[15:56] <Pici> And l-r-m hasnt built succesfully for i386 yet :/
[15:56] <DanaG> the supposedly "completely fair scheduler" actually makes my system much LESS responsive under load than it used to be.
[15:57] <Pici> bardyr: Nope.
[15:57] <kalpik> WorkingOnWise, yeah.. this is a good place to start.. but you would see more activity in this channel around alpha 4. Also when you report a bug, launchpad shows you related bugs.. the search algorith is VERY good.. if its been reported previously, there's a 99% chance it will show you the bug :)
[15:57] <Pici> bardyr: It is using aiglx
[15:57] <Pici> I cant really do any testing here fyi, I'm only on an ssh connection to that computer.
[15:59] <WorkingOnWise> kalpik: thanks. I have run  previous alphas (Gutsy and Fiesty) but with the intent of just farmilurizing with maintenance and repair. This time I thought I might try helping the development too...:)
[15:59] <kalpik> WorkingOnWise, that's the spirit! alphas FTW! :D
[16:01] <bardyr> i just run alphas because i love the bleeding edge and breakning things
[16:01] <jtt> where is the hardy alpha?
[16:02] <jtt> iso that is
[16:02] <bazhang> am I the only that having a non-broken hardy experience so far?
[16:02] <WorkingOnWise> I do it because the breakage is comfortable...been a M$ junkie for years. Dont know what to do without a BSOD a few days a week  :)
[16:02] <WorkingOnWise> sory....ot, I know
[16:03] <bardyr> bazhang, then you havent played around yet and run good hardware
[16:04] <bazhang> bardyr: au contraire :}
[16:08] <livingdaylight> is anything really exciting expected for Hardy?
[16:09] <livingdaylight> anything dramatic innovative? or is the work going into consolidation and stability?
[16:10] <bardyr> livingdaylight, kernel 2.6.24 has some interesting things
[16:11] <livingdaylight> bardyr, oh...??
[16:11] <bardyr> and they are going to redo the hardware detection to use more better upstream
[16:12] <livingdaylight> so, it sounds like the efforts are going more into consolidation then rather than flashy innovation
[16:12] <bardyr> livingdaylight, like the new schedule CFS and bunch of better drivers
[16:13] <bardyr> livingdaylight, yea but ubuntu needs that atm
[16:13] <livingdaylight> fair enough
[16:14] <bardyr> just off because the first LTS is very old and because i feel like ubuntu is being more and more "buggy"
[16:14] <bardyr> i dont know how to make sense of that sentence btw
[16:15] <kalpik> bardyr, lol..
[16:15] <bazhang> pulseaudio?
[16:16] <kalpik> bazhang, you can get pulseaudio working on gutsy too.. with minimal efforts :P
[16:16] <bazhang> kalpik: thanks!
[16:16] <kalpik> bazhang, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[16:16] <bardyr> whats the problem with alsa or is pulseaudio just much better?
[16:17] <bazhang> thanks for the link! kalpik
[16:17] <DanaG> Gaack, my system is so sluggish now with the new scheduler.
[16:17] <DanaG> I'll type and the letters will take up to 1/4 second to show up.
[16:17] <kalpik> bardyr, just some more "flashy" features.. like on the fly switching between sound cards.. splitting your existing soundcard into two.. stuff like that
[16:18] <DanaG> PulseAudio won't use the surround feature on my cardbus Audigy.
[16:18] <bardyr> DanaG, sluggish?
[16:18] <DanaG> Yeah.
[16:18] <bardyr> DanaG, prioritize X
[16:19] <DanaG> I run two instances of Folding@Home in the background, niced to +19 and SCHED_IDLEPRIO, but now my system acts like those are high priority.
[16:19] <bardyr> lol
[16:19] <bardyr> isnt 19 high priority?
[16:19] <DanaG> It seems odd to me that the supposedly wonderful "completely fair scheduler" seems to disregard 'nice' levels.
[16:20] <DanaG> Positive is low priority -- extra "nice".
[16:20] <DanaG> It's really hard to type properly when keyboard input lags so severely.
[16:21] <bardyr> oh yea, by bad
[16:21] <DanaG> In fact, it'll even cause audio dropouts if I'm using PulseAudio's "Simultaneous Output" feature.
[16:21] <Pici> I always try to remember it as higher numbers are nicer to the processor because its giving it less work.
[16:22] <bardyr> ha, smart
[16:22] <bardyr> DanaG, CFS should respect nice
[16:23] <DanaG> For some reason, it's subjectively not being very 'nice'.
[16:30] <DanaG> Oh, and PulseAudio is niced to -11, yet it still gets dropouts caused by the +19 process.
[16:31] <DanaG> That's just plain wrong.
[16:31] <Tm_T> lovely
[16:31] <Tm_T> hug it?
[16:33] <AnRkey> I was thinking that the community could benefit from a Dell Idea Storm style website to get user feedback?
[16:33] <AnRkey> who would I bother about that?
[16:33] <AnRkey> :P
[16:34] <DanaG> Here's an idea for Dell: stop being cheap, and use gigabit ethernet!
[16:34] <bazhang> AnRkey: build it and they will come :}
[16:34] <DanaG> A friend of mine got a nice new XPS M1330 notebook, and I was surprised to see that it only has 100 megabit ethernet.
[16:34] <DanaG> On a """"high end"""""" notebook.
[16:35] <AnRkey> thanks wayne
[16:35] <DanaG> Or rather, not high end, but "extra special"
[16:35] <AnRkey> but will the dev guys use the data it collects?
[16:36] <AnRkey> I was thinking something like ideastorm.ubuntu.com
[16:43] <DanaG> LAG.
[16:44] <Dr_willis> a 'high prioced' notebook. :)
[16:44] <DanaG> aah, then there's the key.
[16:45] <DanaG> High priced but not actaully as high-featured as they'd like you to think.
[16:45] <DanaG> Now here's something I really wanna' see in a notebook: audio chip with independent streaming.
[16:45] <DanaG> Front outputs for notebook speakers, and then full surround outputs too, as a separate device.
[16:45] <DanaG> Gaack, damn typing laggagagag.
[16:47] <Dr_willis> Im waiting for those Eee's to get more common. :) i want one.
[16:49] <Tm_T> I don't :p
[16:49] <DanaG> I'd wait for them to not use a celeron.
[16:49] <DanaG> How stupid: ultraportable notebook with an ultra-lacking-power-savings-features celeron?
[16:50] <Dr_willis> not really an issue for me.
[16:50] <Dr_willis> I just want somthing smaller to put in my lunchbox for me to use at work.
[16:50] <Dr_willis> 'price range dictates all'
[16:51] <Dr_willis> or so the pc/laptop market seems to be now a days
[16:51] <DanaG> At least they could've socketed the thing...
[16:51] <Dr_willis> No idea on that. :) i dont have one yet.. so i cant open it up.
[16:51] <Dr_willis> I wonder how well it plays videos actually.
[16:51] <bazhang> very well
[16:52] <Dr_willis> i got my laptop set up with GeeXbox. so i can boot to a video player in like 20 sec.
[16:52] <bazhang> hd is superb, but this is way offtopic..sorry
[16:52] <Dr_willis> its a small laptop. but still a bit big for me to be lugging around.
[16:52] <Dr_willis> I do have ubuntu on my laptop also. :)
[16:52] <Dr_willis> Does that count as on topic? heh heh..
[16:53] <Dr_willis> Id want to put ubuntu on the EEE also.
[16:53] <bazhang> haha likely not--you should join #eeepc
[16:53] <bazhang> or visit the site www.eeeuser.com
[16:54] <Dr_willis> That was one of the worst sites ive seen :) it was all Flash!
[16:54] <bazhang> haha
[16:54] <Dr_willis> it was one big comercial.. told ya very little about the actual product.
[16:54] <bardyr> i dont know if i should buy a EEE or a mini gPC laptop
[16:55] <Dr_willis> I may get me an EEE for my birthday  heh. wife will say 'what do ya need another laptop for'
[16:55] <bazhang> maybe youre thinking of asus' website--the link above is from actual users--nice wiki and forums
[16:55] <bardyr> Dr_willis, well its not a "computer"
[16:55] <Dr_willis> Been eyeing those Nokia  things also.
[16:55] <Dr_willis> bazhang,  proberly
[16:55] <Dr_willis> It is a nice trend to see low priced/flexiable micro-sized comptuers.  getting common.
[16:56] <Dr_willis> I rember portable "dos pc's" with  little 8x16 lcd type screens.. ages ago.  egad i am old.
[16:57] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: There is an 8GB version coming out in the not too distant future (of the EE)
[16:57] <DanaG> I wish I could fix that **** CFS scheduler.
[16:57] <Dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  yep. thats what i am waiting for i think. :) or the price drop on the low end one. when the 8 comes out.
[16:57] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: Its just fair - did you try using schedtool ?
[16:57] <DanaG> Yeah.
[16:58] <DanaG> And I'm even running folding@home as SCHED_IDLEPRIO.
[17:00] <h3sp4wn> and you have the sound at real time ?
[17:02] <DanaG> It's +11, but it's not going realtime for some reason.
[17:02] <DanaG> oh wait, I think not-realtime is default.
[17:02] <DanaG> er, pulseaudio is -11.
[17:02] <bardyr> DanaG, look at the bright sight, you are flooding alot!
[17:03] <bardyr> foolding*
[17:04] <DanaG>  W: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
[17:09] <DanaG> That's odd.
[17:09] <DanaG> PulseAudio is installed suid root...
[17:09] <DanaG> And I am a member of pulse-rt.
[17:21] <DanaG> gaaaaaaacackkck.
[17:22] <DanaG> Somebody else using 2.6.24: try running something cpu-intensive at nice +19, and see if it bogs down the rest of the system.
[17:23] <DanaG> That was odd... gdm just segfaulted.
[17:23] <bazhang> how does one do that DanaG?
[17:24] <bazhang> the nice +19 part I mean
[17:24] <DanaG> Try this: nice +19 sh -c 'cat /dev/zero'
[17:24] <bazhang> okay, just a moment
[17:24] <DanaG> just nice NUMBER COMMAND
[17:24] <DanaG> If you have dual core, it may take two instances to make it happen.
[17:25] <DanaG> er
[17:25] <DanaG> nice -n +19 cat /dev/zero
[17:25] <bazhang> firefox with a bunch of flash tabs open should do it, yes?
[17:25] <DanaG> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaactually, it seems like it's already slowing down at only one instance.
[17:26] <DanaG> I'm testing nice load, specifically.
[17:26] <DanaG> If I'm not running my folding, then everything works nicely enough, including firefox.
[17:27] <bazhang> so perhaps its folding and not ubuntu
[17:27] <DanaG> But even just 'cat /dev/zero' niced to +19 is making it slow.
[17:28] <DanaG> Anyway, I have to go to an appointment.  I'll be back (quite) a while later.
[17:28] <DanaG> Bye.
[17:34] <bazhang> no real slowness detected--though I was just running several apps--don't have folding installed
[18:23] <WorkingOnWise> which flash plug in works best, Adobe or Gnash?
[18:23] <WorkingOnWise> in AMD64?
[18:24] <bardyr> adobe
[18:24] <bardyr> gnash has still not full flash support
[18:25] <nanonyme> gnash has had some stability issues too
[18:25] <Tomcat_> WorkingOnWise: gnash should be good for youtube vids, but I'd suggest Adobe.
[18:29] <WorkingOnWise> ty.
[19:02] <NumBeast> how far along is Hardy?
[19:03] <pwnguin> almost alpha 2
[19:03] <pwnguin> but mostly, a month and a half in
[19:04] <pwnguin> most all the software has been refreshed from debian -- i think the kernel's still being kept away from users
[19:04] <NumBeast> allright
[19:05] <NumBeast> what new features are planned
[19:05] <pwnguin> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[19:06] <frojnd> hello
[19:06] <pwnguin> looks like they're pushing in windows authentication integration
[19:07] <Pici> Yeah, linux-restricted-modules isnt building on i386, I think thats a main reason why we havnt seen it yet.
[19:08] <NumBeast> windows authentication integration?
[19:08] <NumBeast> like replacing gksudo?
[19:09] <frojnd> I have a question. Is someone willing to check a clip if I give'em url, its wmv and the content isn't exactly OK for everyone, (girl dancing and oiling herself) But it's not pron. What I'm trying to do is to figure it out what's the title of the song that's in the bacground. So is anyone willing to hear this, if he/she doesn't want to watch this. But I will only give link in a private window, because As I said someone don't allow this on other
[19:09] <frojnd> chans...
[19:10] <frojnd> pretty weird situation for me too :S
[19:10] <NumBeast> what genre is the song
[19:10] <NumBeast> but shouldn't that be in a different channel?
[19:10] <frojnd> NumBeast, man vocal
[19:10] <Pici> frojnd: Ignoring the content of the question, this isn't that kind of channel.  Second of all, you getting banned from -offtopic wasn't enough of a hint that this isn't welcome here?
[19:11] <frojnd> Pici, oh here you are... I ask polite ... please direct me in channels that are more for talk..
[19:11] <frojnd> on freenode I only know for linux, ubuntu, kubuntu
[19:11] <frojnd> that's it
[19:11] <frojnd> and now for offtopic for ubuntu
[19:12] <frojnd> So Pici what's the chaannel for regular talking on freenode
[19:12] <Pici> frojnd: Do you understand why this isnt allowed here?
[19:12] <frojnd> Oh I see..
[19:12] <frojnd> it's for hardy heron
[19:12] <Pici> frojnd: The only think I can think of is #defocus, but you should ask before just blindly posting a link.
[19:13] <frojnd> I'll keep that in mind
[19:13] <Pici> frojnd: can you join me in #ubuntu-ops please?
[19:13] <frojnd> Pici, sure
[19:14] <pwnguin> NumBeast: like ldap
[21:07] <NumBeast> where can I download hoary source?
[21:07] <DanaG> Gaack, whose bright idea was that blinking magnifying-glass icon?
[21:07] <tumbleweed__> NumBeast : you mean hardy?
[21:08] <NumBeast> sorry, I do mean hardy
[21:08] <tumbleweed__> I make that mistake all the time too :P
[21:23] <DanaG> blink
[21:23] <DanaG> blink
[21:23] <DanaG> magnifying glass
[21:23] <DanaG> (wow, that icon is annoying!)
[21:24] <tumbleweed__> lul
[21:24] <tumbleweed__> what magnifying glass?
[21:24] <DanaG> The tracker applet.
[21:24] <tumbleweed__> oh
[21:24] <tumbleweed__> yeah
[21:24] <tumbleweed__> oh
[21:24] <tumbleweed__> and just so you know
[21:25] <tumbleweed__> multimedia keys don't work off the bat in ubuntu if you choose to use xfce
[21:27] <DanaG> Go to keyboard preferences and set your layout there -- that may fix it.
[21:32] <NumBeast> DanaG: isn't there an option to disable that?
[21:33] <tumbleweed__> ummm
[21:33] <NumBeast> DanaG: the infernal blinking
[21:33] <tumbleweed__> DanaG : nope
[21:37] <NumBeast> so where can I get the hardy source?
[21:37] <hydrogen> huh?
[21:41] <NumBeast> is the hardy source available for download, and if it is, where can I find it
[21:41] <hydrogen> what do you mean?
[21:46] <theunixgeek> What features will be available in Hardy Alpha 2?
[21:50] <theunixgeek> What features will be available in Hardy Alpha 2?
[21:51] <NumBeast> I suppose hardy is in development
[21:51] <NumBeast> and probably has source code
[21:51] <NumBeast> is that source code available to the public
[21:51] <theunixgeek> NumBeast: yes.
[21:51] <hydrogen> NumBeast: you havn't really clarified *what* source code you are after
[21:52] <NumBeast> where could I find that source code?
[21:52] <theunixgeek> NumBeast: ubuntu is open source
[21:52] <hydrogen> hardy is primarly a compilation of new versions of packages
[21:52] <hydrogen> all put together under one big distro umbrella
[21:52] <NumBeast> ah
[21:52] <NumBeast> sorry
[21:52] <hydrogen> do you want the source to every package?
[21:52] <hydrogen> or just ones new to hardy?
[21:53] <NumBeast> just the new ones to hardy
[21:53] <NumBeast> sorry, I want to test hardy
[21:54] <NumBeast> on a computer that doesn't have already ubuntu
[21:55] <NumBeast> and I would like to know either where to find a .img, or where to find what I need to compile to make an .img
[21:55] <hydrogen> oh
[21:55] <hydrogen> you want the cd
[21:55] <hydrogen> image
[21:56] <NumBeast> yes please
[21:56] <hydrogen> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20071218/ is todays build
[21:56] <NumBeast> thank you
[21:56] <hydrogen> or you could look for the alpha image
[22:07] <PirateHead> If the Fawn alphas were called herds and the Gibbon releases were called tribes, why aren't the Heron alphas called flocks?
[22:10] <tumbleweed__> PirateHead : because king nelson mandella said so.
[22:39] <Erealz> hey all
[22:40] <Erealz> umm is anyone running hardy heron and if so how those it run compared to gusty?
[23:59] <infinitycircuit> does anyone know why dynticks is not enabled in the hardy kernels
[23:59] <infinitycircuit> 2.6.24 branch that is