[00:01] dx9s_work: so I have jackd from gutsy/hardy running now, with ardour-gtk from feisty (the last version that was built against an earlier jack), and I still don't know what I'm looking for [00:10] I may have gotten myself into a spot of trouble with my PPA: I used versions like 0.5.0rc5 for a package. Now that I have 0.5.0 final, dpkg thinks it is older than the release candidates. [00:10] Can anyone offer advice? [00:11] fbond: You should have used 0.5.0~rc5. [00:11] Fujitsu: Yeah, I learned that now. [00:11] Any ideas as to a way out? [00:11] Or should I just ask launchpad admins to wipe out the old packages? [00:12] You could get the package removed manually, and upload the proper version, but people with it already installed won't get it upgraded. [00:12] Fujitsu: Lucky for me, I doubt that anyone has installed it :) === Ubulette_ is now known as Ubulette [00:29] /win 3 [00:29] Oops. [00:30] Fujitsu: /lose 3 [00:31] Quite. [00:31] Can't you just use epoch? [00:31] Epochs are to be avoided at all costs. [00:31] They're not to be used lightly. [00:32] * somerville32 epochs Fujitsu [00:32] 1:Fujitsu: Take that! [00:33] Blerk, Freenode doesn't support epochs. [00:33] You can't have : in nicks? Awww. [00:33] 1:Fujitsu Erroneous Nickname [00:37] Fujitsu: I dunno, I rather enjoy epoching the packages of maintainers in NMUs [00:37] slangasek: You would. [00:37] StevenK: it's the closest thing to a scarlet letter I can find in dpkg [00:37] slangasek: Ooh, that sounds fun. [00:38] "maintainer screwed up, EPOCH FOR LIFE" [00:38] lol [00:38] Heh. [01:00] c [01:00] argh [02:02] Heya gang [02:03] bddebian! [02:03] Heya Fujitsu [02:10] Heya bddebian :) [02:10] Heya somerville32 [02:40] OK damnit, what is the format of dh_makeshlibs -V foo (>= 1.x) ? [02:42] like that but with quotes for the argument? [02:43] Ah, it's quotes? [02:43] For some reason the manpage is mangled on me [02:43] it's standard shell parsing [02:43] the argument to -V has spaces in it, so the spaces have to be escaped or quoted [02:44] Aye, makes sense, thanks [02:46] slangasek: Can I ask you a question? Maybe in a PM? [02:50] bddebian: no. anyone who asks slangasek questions gets killed. [02:51] Yeah, I kinda figured that [02:51] BTW, Hi Hobbsee [02:51] heya! [02:55] bddebian: heh, go ahead [02:56] Hmm, now I'm scared [02:57] very few people ever die as a consequence of asking me questions [02:57] I would have thought they would grow. [02:57] Is PM OK, I'd rather not air it here if that is OK [02:57] that's fine [02:59] slangasek: at least, those who do don't live to tell the tale.. [02:59] lol [03:00] Hobbsee: :-) [03:10] hmm [03:10] can i ask wtf is with audacious in MOTU? there has been a maintainer change from me and le_vert... [03:14] or more accurately, audacious core is not touched in this way, but audacious-plugins is now maintained by MOTU media team [03:14] which is a serious wtf o_O [03:14] nenolod: what was it before? [03:14] oh [03:15] nenolod: How is that a wtf? audacious-plugins likely has modifications, while audacious won't. [03:15] yeah [03:15] -plugins has a ubuntu modification [03:15] ah, right [03:15] what is the modification? [03:16] - Adjusted Conflicts/Replaces for Ubuntu [03:16] oh, ok. [03:16] but why does that need a maintainer change? [03:16] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/a/audacious-plugins/audacious-plugins_1.4.1-2ubuntu2/changelog if you want the full log [03:16] Because Debian said we must change the maintainer on packages we modify. [03:16] Fujitsu, oh. ok. [03:30] leonel: I've discussed the new clamav with the Debian maintainer just a bit and the unrar code that was added is not DFSG free (for Debian or Ubuntu) and so will have to be removed. We'll still have to use the free unrar library that's in the archive rather than the one provided. [03:33] a friend of mine is writing another free unrar library [03:33] i wonder how far he has gotten with that === asac_ is now known as asac [05:23] * pwnguin wonders why meneame isn't in debian [05:27] on a related note -- anyone know why slash was dropped from universe? [05:27] pwnguin: I note there are several hundred other packages that aren't in Debian. [05:27] slash wanted PHP4, IIRC. [05:27] And probably Apache 1 too. [05:27] And was generally useless, uninstallable, etc. [05:27] heh [05:27] ouch === Sikon is now known as LucidFox [05:29] Fujitsu: in my experience, software i find not in debian have reasons for not being there. it's not a lack of manpower but legal power [05:29] meneame is affero licensed -- i figured perhaps there's a DFSG problem with it [05:30] We have hundreds of packages in Ubuntu but not in Debian. [05:31] I don't see why you're giving me a hard time for being surpised [05:38] pwnguin: I don't know if it's official yet, but I think Affero (we can make you distribute stuff) license will be OK in Debian. [05:38] Personally, I think it's a corruption of the DFSG, but I don't get a vote. [05:40] ScottK: well, you're making software available for others [05:40] the means is just via html [05:41] No, I'm providing a service. [05:41] yes, only the ftpmasters get a vote. :) [05:41] And agpl doesn't say anything about HTML. [05:41] i dont think anyone said it did [05:41] If your mail client connects to my mail server and I modify something that's AGPL, then I have to distribute the code. [05:41] and you think this is somehow NOT dfsg? [05:42] So what I run on my server is no longer just my business. [05:42] Yes. It forces distribution. [05:42] im not seeing how that's bad [05:42] That's not freedom, it's coertion. [05:42] the freedom not to share code? [05:43] Yes. [05:43] Freedom not to share source I don't distribute binary for. [05:43] well, i think it's a bit bogus to write gpl software, release it and then watch people write additions for it without handing it back, dfsg or not [05:44] Can someone give me a quick differnece bewteen Reccomends and Suggests (in debian/control) [05:44] I don't understand. I fail to see how AGPL is more coercion than GPL already is. [05:44] As it happens, I run all the custom software on my mail service after queue, so the mail client always talks to Postfix and it wouldn't matter, but I don't care to discolse all my tactics. [05:44] minghua: The difference is that by the mere act of running code on my server, I may be forced to distribute source. [05:44] harrisony: read the debian policy document? [05:45] GPL always dealt with distribution, not use. It's a fundamental change. [05:46] ScottK: Okay I see your point. But I still think "distribution" and "communication" is pretty close. [05:46] As it happens, it's much harder to write code that's generally useful (and that I'd feel comfortable distributing) than a special purpose hack that meets my needs. [05:46] So if I'd been forced to leverage off AGPL code instead of GPL code, I'd have either never started or started from scratch. [05:46] Just don't use AGPL software. :-P [05:47] I don't intend to. [05:47] till google run some ;-) [05:47] from my point of view, i think its a valid request from an author [05:47] Right. I don't expect they will either. [05:47] to say that they're some how not dedicated to free software anymore [05:47] Request, yes. [05:47] heh [05:47] pwnguin: i did say quick but i guess i can always get long [05:48] I license all my code under the AGPL, and write it in splynethon [05:48] harrisony: its like three paragraphs if i recall (and i dont recall the specifics) [05:48] I don't think there are abstract "good" or "bad" licenses, only good or bad license for a particular software. [05:48] s/good or bad license/good or bad license choices/ [05:49] It's taken me a year of free time to replicate, in a generally useful way, code I wrote for my service (plus putting features others asked for first). With AGPL I'd have never been able to do that. [05:50] because you have some hangup about the quality of code you publish being higher than the code you run on a network? [05:50] No. Because stuff that works for my specific use case may not be generally useful as is and requires documentation and stuff I don't personally need. [05:51] i didnt see a documentation requirement in the apl [05:51] It's not a requirement of the license, but I won't distribute stuff that's not well done. [05:51] so its as i said [05:51] So I guess I do have a hangup of not distributing stuff that's too opaque to be actually useful. [05:51] Yes. [05:52] So I'd rather be given the freedom to DTRT rather than be forced to immediately distribute something that no one else could actually use. [05:53] on the other hand, its clear there's plenty of people who don't bother ever === czessi_ is now known as Czessi [05:53] pligg / meneame has several people violating the license [05:54] The other problem I see is that the only way you can check AGPL compliance is to look inside someone's server and see what they are running. [05:54] I'd not be willing to open myself up for that either. [05:55] With GPL, you have to be distributing something for compliance ever to come up. [05:55] true, enforcement's a pita [05:56] So why would I take the business risk that some FSF equivalent of the BSA might show up some day and demand to audit the code on my servers. [05:56] Ain't doing it. [05:56] that might be something the ftpmasters would entertain [05:57] * ScottK wonders if the FSF would favor DRM to detect AGPL violations? [05:57] how would that even work? [05:57] Dunno. [05:58] drm works on the binaries, agpl works on the "hand out code" feature [05:58] Tivo already has stuff to make the code not run if it's been modified. [05:58] right [05:58] So it could note that modified code was run and then do 'something'. [05:58] How else are they going to know? [05:59] the whole point is you're allowed to modify most all the code [05:59] Yes, but you have to distribute it then. [05:59] I'm not talking about preventing modification, but making the fact of the modification known. [05:59] oh well. if someone wants quality documentation, they can pay me to do it ; ) [06:00] Sure. That'd be nice. [06:03] * ScottK heads to bed. [06:03] Good night all. [06:04] Night ScottK. [06:46] Hi all! [06:46] hi warp10 [06:47] gs42k0b: :) [06:48] is it normal to get daemon notifications send out on tty1 and not tt2 even though both are logged in as the same unprivileged user? [06:48] gs42k0b: im pretty sure [06:49] sure of what? [06:50] "< gs42k0b> is it normal to get daemon notifications send out on tty1 and not tt2 even though both are logged in as the same unprivileged user?" [06:50] then I owe someone an apology hehe [06:51] so tty1 is receiving notification pr. default? [06:54] notifications such as *reloading syslog-daemon... [07:01] * gs42k0b thought they were just redirected to /dev/null === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:15] <\sh> moins [07:23] * persia wonders what others think about a "merge" from a third-party repository for packages originally pulled in from the apt-get.org repo fun (way back when), vs. direct adoption of the package. [07:41] good morning [07:44] <\sh> hey dholbach [07:44] hey \sh [07:44] welcome jdstrand :) [07:44] <\sh> just playing around with django...looks nicer then rails [07:45] <\sh> jdstrand, at last...congrats and welcome to Castle GreyScull ,-) === gouki_ is now known as gouki [07:53] * persia wonders why ¥sh is still skulking around the exterior walls [08:25] persia: :) [08:26] i wish people would give other people's irc nicks in email :P :D [08:26] jdstrand: if you are who i think you are congrats :) [08:26] <\sh> metalgod__, yay...good to know that you are also a gentoo convert ;) [08:27] joejaxx: LP is a conversion engine [08:27] <\sh> persia, hmmm? [08:28] <\sh> well, I start to defend the universe from next week on.... [08:28] <\sh> /dev/sda6 322G 4,3G 317G 2% /home [08:28] <\sh> /dev/sda5 94G 1,3G 92G 2% /var [08:28] <\sh> /dev/sdb1 466G 544K 466G 1% /mnt [08:28] <\sh> should be enough space for having fun :) [08:28] persia: ah never though about that [08:28] \sh: lol [08:29] ¥sh: Excellent: plenty of space :) [08:29] are there any services missing from ubuntu wire at the moment? [08:29] joejaxx: How do you mean? [08:30] i guess not :P [08:30] well ubuntu wire is there to provide services to ubuntu developers [08:30] well motu that is [08:32] joejaxx: Ask yourself a different question: what services do you want that don't exist? [08:32] that is kind of my question :) [08:32] to you all [08:33] If there is a service that you want, then you might ask who could host it. [08:33] that is why i am asking you all :) [08:34] i cannot use it currently as i am not motu :P [08:34] * persia wants https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/DeveloperWeatherReport and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/QAWebsite but isn't sure where they would be hosted. [08:35] joejaxx: I don't know about everything, but most of the QA tools being hosted there should be useable by anyone. [08:37] the weather report one would be interesting to code [08:44] i wonder if i should code that or now [08:44] not* [08:47] joejaxx: Best to get in touch with the people subscribed to the spec to check the status and see how you might help. [08:49] persia: :) [08:53] i need a terminal emulator like konsole but that is not konsole :P [08:54] Another question, im packaging a package and the package should go in gnome but depends on a package in multiverse (gnome-video-arcade is a frontend for xmame) [08:54] harrisony: then it'll live in multiverse too [08:55] dholbach: :) [09:40] moring all [09:52] morning huats [09:54] hello geser [10:31] persia: maybe you can take a look at bug 175018 - I've no idea how to deal with that huge interdiff [10:31] Launchpad bug 175018 in strongswan "strongswan: New upstream release 4.1.9" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175018 [10:32] dholbach: Sure. I'll hit it later. http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~persia/process-interdiff might help. [10:32] (needs work) [10:34] interdiff used in a new upstream release? [10:34] wow this is getting interesting [10:34] when was it decided and where that we prefer interdiffs anyhow ? [10:34] * imbrandon certainly never used them upto now [10:34] About a month back. [10:35] i'll see if i can find the ML, i'd like to bring it up in the next MOTU meeting that we abolish them, its an unnneeded step that isnt even workable in most situations [10:36] imbrandon: Already on the agenda. I disareee about it be being unnecessary. [10:50] ugh [10:50] * imbrandon needs a faster build box [10:51] anyone seen that dell guy arround ? === persia changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Hardy Heron is in active development. | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Unmet Deps time! http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck/ | QA resources from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com [10:54] nxvl: are you using the KDE 4 RC 2 PPA? [10:57] moins Riddell [11:10] hello! i'am looking for any information in order to help me on the right way to package an eclipse plugin?? does someone can help me? [11:11] oy [11:18] maybe i'm not in the right channel? so please tell me which one is the right one. [11:18] chakinou: are there any other eclipse plugins packaged where you can look how they got packaged? [11:19] chakinou: look at an existing eclipse plugin package hwo it is done there [11:19] yes i've done it, but i can't understand why and how we compile it [11:19] in the rule file [11:21] Look at the packaging guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide [11:21] There are some pointers.. it depends what apcakging system is used [11:21] PackagingGuide/Basic probably [11:31] ok thanks, i gonna work by my own, and i'll comme back when i have more specific questions! see you! [11:41] hrm [11:41] anyone running a hardy gnome desktop wanna help me verify a bug, shouldnet need to install anything just preform a simple action [11:42] imbrandon, sup? [11:42] put a jpg on the desktop, right click on it and use "open with image viewer" ( eyeofgnome ) , it takes two times every time [11:42] to actuialy open [11:42] confirmed [11:43] gah thats buggin the hell out of me, time to track it down [11:43] imbrandon: WFM. [11:43] i thought it was just me [11:43] Hobbsee: wfm? [11:43] ohh [11:43] works for me [11:43] yup [11:43] Hobbsee: hrm it dosent take two times to open up? [11:44] i just tried it on two seperate boxes here .... hrm [11:44] imbrandon: nope. [11:44] Works for me too. [11:44] it's random. some days it works some days it doesn't [11:44] strange [11:45] i'll keep thinking about what i'm doing to cause it tho. [11:46] yea me too, i'll see if i can find something in common [11:46] imbrandon: compiz? [11:46] nope [11:46] this si the p200 [11:46] so nothing fancy [11:46] DarkMageZ: ? [11:46] no compiz here either. [11:46] tha'tll be why, i expect. [11:46] possibly [11:46] pff, compiz only breaks things. doesn't fix. [11:46] i dont see how but thats a common thread if Fujitsu is running compiz [11:46] although, opens here now [11:47] imbrandon: he is [11:47] hrm [11:48] btw i got my bday present early heh ( my 29th bday is tomarrow ) [11:48] a decient digital camera ( 5.1 mp ) [11:48] hehe [11:49] StevenK: heh so now i can toss my daughters 0.3mp out lol === \sh is now known as \sh_away [11:55] Hurrah! [12:02] StevenK: the diffrence ( with almost the same pic ) old: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2114/2100517350_6e32a9052f_o.jpg and new http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2086/2120435926_f7e16bf121_o.jpg [12:02] totaly diffrent [12:04] the camera messed up on the first one because there was no mtdew :) [12:10] imbrandon: I prefer the old one. [12:10] heh [12:10] imbrandon, what's that wallpaper on the screen :P [12:11] one i made [12:11] one sec, i'll post it somewhere [12:11] also mountain spew near an open case? [12:11] err actuly i think its in my flickr [12:11] one sec [12:12] http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2092312453&context=set-72157603393803422&size=o [12:12] DarkMageZ: ^^ [12:12] thats the wallpaper [12:12] hi all :-) [12:13] hey mruiz [12:14] imbrandon: the other one was better. [12:14] Hobbsee: what other one ? [12:14] imbrandon: aren't you the one who had a crack theme? [12:14] the ms XP one? [12:14] ahh yea [12:14] with the my little ponies background? [12:14] i have a xp therem on one [12:14] yup [12:14] and an osx theme on another [12:15] actualy i lost that ponies walpaper ;( [12:15] someone know if there are ubuntu motu in Rwanda? [12:18] no idea [12:19] you could probably get a close estimate looking at timezones of MOTU in lp [12:19] only way i can think of [12:20] appears to be no Rwanda loco team. (based off wiki.ubuntu.com) [12:21] morning [12:21] heya zul [12:22] Hey Hobbsee how goes it? [12:23] nxvl: do you have nessus installed? [12:23] * Hobbsee didn't shoot customers. [12:23] mruiz, ping [12:24] effie_jayx, pong === bigon_ is now known as bigon [12:24] heya imbrandon :-) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [12:44] heya dholbach , persia , ScottK , geser , TheMuso [12:44] mruiz: Hi! (package, package) [12:44] :-) [12:48] ember: Why is bug #176493 invalid? Doesn't it still need a DIF exception? [12:48] Launchpad bug 176493 in transmission "Please sponsor transmission 0.96 into Hardy" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176493 [12:48] siretart: ping [12:49] metalgod__: You'll get a better response with some context :) [12:49] :) [12:55] metalgod__: please don't do contentless pings [12:55] better don't do pings at all on irc [12:55] siretart: sorry i'm used to other places :) [12:56] siretart: mind if i pm ? [12:56] depends on the topic :) [12:57] can someone take a look of bug 176714, please? I don't know if I need a DIFe for this merge... [12:57] Launchpad bug 176714 in vpnc "Please merge vpnc 0.5.1r254-1 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176714 [13:06] mruiz: You do need a DIFe, but as you've put it in the sponsors queue, the reviewing sponsor will likely grant or reject it. To increase the chances of approval, you might want to test network-manager-vpnc and kvpnc against the updated version, and indicate if they need any update to match. [13:08] mruiz: For any DIFe request, you can get a list of applications that likely need to be tested with `apt-cache rdepends `. Not all require testing, but it's a good idea to at least describe how the update doesn't affect them, or add bug tasks for them if it does, and add the necessary changes to preserve integration. [13:11] thanks persia ... I'll find out about it [13:12] mruiz: Thanks. It's a bit more work than merges were last week, but checking the details is the best way to make sure that hardy is really solid enough to last 5 years. [13:13] persia, that's the idea ;-) [13:14] mruiz: Also, please don't be afraid of DIF exceptions: If Debian fixes something important, it's better to request an exception than leave the bug :) [13:14] dholbach, \sh, joejaxx: re: motu -- thanks! :) [13:15] jdstrand: ROCK ON! :-) [13:16] dholbach: thank you for you kind words during the application process as well :) [13:16] congrats jdstrand [13:16] jdstrand: you know it's true :) [13:17] mruiz: thank you :) [13:17] dholbach: ;) [13:23] jdstrand: congrats! [13:23] pochu: thanks! :) [13:28] persia, it would be important to add more information about DIFe to the documentation [13:30] mruiz: DIFe was invented last week :) If you'd like to document it, I'd be happy. Feel free to ping me with any draft, or ask for any clarifications. [13:36] is there anyone here from apache project? [13:37] have you tried #apache? [13:37] zul: Actually I just wanted to know if any apache developers are maintaining any packages in Ubuntu. [13:38] slytherin: check #ubuntu-server [13:38] slytherin: Even for that, their channel is a better place to ask. We don't know (and #ubuntu-server might be more likely anyway) [13:38] zul: I frankly don't understand why they decide to publish .tar.gz in different format for every application. It is pain to try to repackage the .orig.tar.gz everytime. :-( [13:40] slytherin: If you're repacking all the tarballs, you likely also want to get in touch with the Debian maintainers, so as to use the same tarball in common for both distros. [13:40] I have been working on batik package for more than a week. Now I have figured out what all I need to get latest version in Ubuntu. I will have to first package another library. And this libraries tarball doesn't have a root folder of the form package-version. :-( [13:42] slytherin: dpkg extracts it into the proper place [13:43] (in most cases: dpkg isn't magic, just very, very smart) [13:43] :) [13:44] hrm i have eeepc money in my hand or rent, darn rent wins [13:44] :( hehe [13:44] imbrandon: what do you mean extract in proper place? What if the structure of tar.gz is like this. It has 2 directories javax and org and a bunch of readme and license files in root itself. [13:45] slytherin: sure then dpkg will extract it to -/javax etc [13:45] or *should* [13:45] its pretty smart [13:45] imbrandon: where am I supposed to create debian directory? [13:46] in -/debian [13:46] just as with anything else [13:46] ( but not in the orig.tar.gz [13:46] ) [13:47] imbrandon: Can you please try downloading 'xml commons external' from http://xml.apache.org/mirrors.cgi extract it and then explain me what exactly to do. [13:48] maybe not "exactly" but i'll get you going in the right direction, i must leave soonish [13:48] to pay some bills [13:48] downlaoding , one sec [13:50] hey all, I just wanted to double check is this the "official" packaging guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide [13:51] sommer: Best there is right now: please excuse us whilst we redecorate. There are more slick looking ones in other places, but they aren't as up to date. [13:52] persia: cool thanks [13:53] slytherin: Quick overview: make a directory of the name it should be, unpack in there, make a debian directory in there, put the tarball in the parent, add a blank copyright, a rules with a clean rule doing nothing, a changelog entry, and a control file. Try building the source. [13:53] persia: Ok. [13:54] slytherin: If it succeeds, dpkg is smart enough you don't need to repack. If it fails, watch for imbrandon's upcoming step-by-step guide. [13:54] slytherin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/2835/ [13:54] :-) [13:54] there is step-by-step [13:55] i just did it to make sure it all worked [13:55] persia: please look too to make sure i dident overlook something [13:56] imbrandon: I will try persia's suggestion first and if it doesn't work then yours. [13:57] imbrandon: The unpack procedure, but I don't know if dpkg will be able to pack & unpack: that might require more hints (and I'm not very familiar with dpkg hints: I generally use other people's orig.tar.gz files) [13:57] s/procedure/procedure looks right/ [13:57] slytherin: ok just fyi you should still note it, thats the "proper" way to repack something [13:58] persia: yea it should be fine [13:58] okies i must run to pay a few bills, back in a bit [13:58] imbrandon: Actually, you're ungzipping & regzipping, which changes the md5sum. Maybe I don't like it so much. [13:59] persia: not the tar [13:59] err true [13:59] i followed the bz2 way [13:59] a simple rename would have worked i guess [13:59] imbrandon: :) [13:59] since it was tar,gz to start [13:59] thats what i do for bz2 and zip archives [14:00] anyhow yea a rename would have worked [14:00] * imbrandon runs [14:01] persia: what Salvatore Palma should do to fix bug #172588? [14:01] Launchpad bug 172588 in atanks "[atanks] no .desktop file " [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172588 [14:02] dfiloni: Thanks for your patience. I still think you would have done better to ask someone else in the past 42 hours, but looking now :) [14:03] persia: no, I didn't have time... sorry [14:04] dfiloni: If it was because you didn't have time, no need to apologize. I'm actually glad to hear you haven't been waiting whilst I did other things (as I did ask you to wait at least 39 hours when you last asked me :) ) === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [14:05] persia: at school all day I have a test.... [14:05] persia: by the way, can you say me what totopalma should do exactly? [14:06]