[00:19] <hansoffate> hi, anyone here that would have anyidea why i used to be able to connect to my mythbuntu box with vnc, and now I can't?
[00:20] <hexxeh> how long ago did it work?
[00:23] <hansoffate> like 2 days ago
[00:23] <hansoffate> or 1 day ago
[00:23] <hansoffate> i haven't really done anything to the box since then
[00:23] <hexxeh> is your vnc server enabling xfixes?
[00:24] <hansoffate> uhhh no idea, i just turned on VNC Server through the Control center and it was working
[00:24] <MythbuntuGuest88> Hi Guys, anyone know of some instructions to get a PVR-500 to work?
[00:25] <hansoffate> i thought the pvr-500s and 150s worked out of the box
[00:26] <MythbuntuGuest88> that's what I had hoped, but I just added one and can't seem recognise it. Do I need to tell something to resan the hardware?
[00:27] <hansoffate> added a pvr-500 after an install?
[00:27] <MythbuntuGuest88> yes...
[00:27] <hansoffate> i've never added hardware after an install.  If I end up adding something, I always just start from a clean install and it works.  Sorry i can't help you
[00:27] <MythbuntuGuest88> I like this thing so much I needed more tuners (been using a single WinTV one)
[00:28] <MythbuntuGuest88> no prob, I've backed up my MySQL so I can just restore my shows
[00:29] <rhpot1991> you can try to sudo modprobe ivtv, but I didn't think that was necessary anymore
[00:29] <superm1> what did you have hw wise before?
[00:30] <rhpot1991> I thought that hal scanned the hardware on boot and added new stuff
[00:30] <superm1> check how many /dev/videoX devices you have
[00:30] <MythbuntuGuest88> Single WinTV framegrabber
[00:30] <superm1> yeah it does
[00:31] <MythbuntuGuest88> ran the mod probe
[00:31] <hansoffate> rhpot1991: remember my question from a few days ago about my video card?
[00:31] <rhpot1991> dunno, refresh
[00:31] <MythbuntuGuest88> no dev/video
[00:31] <hansoffate> i still don't have an overscan optino in nvidia-settings, and it is cutting off the left and right edges by like an inch or less
[00:31] <hansoffate> is there anyway to fix it without an overscan option?
[00:32] <rhpot1991> did you try to fire up the nvidia control pannel on the tv itself?
[00:32] <rhpot1991> I think I recall it not giving me all the options when I fired it up in vnc
[00:32] <hansoffate> yea
[00:32] <hansoffate> still no overscan options
[00:32] <hansoffate> maybe its an issue with the 8500
[00:32] <hansoffate> because that guy on the ubuntuforums post had the same problem
[00:32] <rhpot1991> hmmm, try adding the values by hand in your xorg config?
[00:33] <rhpot1991> are you sure you aren't using the open source drivers too?
[00:33] <hansoffate> i have it enabled and its "in use" according to the gui
[00:33] <mthaddon_> anyone know which branch on https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu I should grab if I'm interested in the source for the frontend?
[00:33] <hansoffate> i havne't tried adding the valuse in xorg config by hand though
[00:34] <MythbuntuGuest88> I didn't have this type of card when I build this box, is there something else that would need to be installed?
[00:34] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest88, nothing else needs to be installed
[00:34] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest88, check dmesg for anything about ivtv
[00:34] <hansoffate> its kinda hard to do now, becuase for some reason my VNC server isn't working ... i t/o when trying to connect to the box
[00:35] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest88, and its not /dev/video, it would be like /dev/video0 /dev/video1
[00:35] <hansoffate> also, my smbfs fstab mount, doesn't get mounted
[00:35] <MythbuntuGuest88> superml, I did a ls|grep video in the dev directory and it didn't return anything
[00:36] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest88, okay then checkout dmesg
[00:36] <superm1> and see whats up
[00:36] <hansoffate> also, i can't ssh into the box .... i think something is up with my networking
[00:37] <MythbuntuGuest88> Encoder mailbox not found, error -19 on initialization
[00:38] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest88, try to reseat the card
[00:38] <superm1> and put it in a different slot
[00:39] <rhpot1991> hansoffate: you got all sorts of problems
[00:39] <rhpot1991> I hear that there is something else to use instead of smbfs cffs or something
[00:39] <hansoffate> rhpot1991: ugh, i have noidea what the hell appened
[00:39] <hexxeh> cifs
[00:40] <hexxeh> smbfs has been deprecated for about 4 years
[00:40] <hansoffate> oh?
[00:40]  * superm1 should stop using it...
[00:40] <hansoffate> ok
[00:40] <hansoffate> so i hsould use cifs?
[00:40] <hansoffate> i think i noticed everything died when i edited my fstab to use smbfs
[00:40] <hansoffate> or around that time... im not sure if thats what killed it
[00:43] <rhpot1991> just comment the line out, though it shouldn't matter if you didn't mount it
[00:44] <hansoffate> trying to get my network share (it has my videos and musik) to be able to play through mythtv.  I'll comment it out and restart the box and see if that fixes my problem with being able to connect to the box with vnc
[00:45] <hansoffate> if it does get fixed, i'll try changing it to cifs or something
[00:46] <rhpot1991> fstab shouldn't break that other stuff though
[00:47] <hansoffate> then i have no idea why i can't connect via vnc now
[00:48] <hansoffate> thats the only change i have made
[00:48] <rhpot1991> try rebooting your router and seeing if you can ping the box?
[00:49] <hansoffate> hmm, i just tried to ping the box   from herre
[00:49] <hansoffate> PING 192.168.1.109 (192.168.1.109): 56 data bytes
[00:49] <hansoffate> ping: sendto: No route to host
[00:49] <hansoffate> ping: sendto: Host is down
[00:53] <hansoffate> this is frustrating, im going to go lay down for a bit and think about this. thanks for the help guys.
[00:54] <MythbuntuGuest88> moved pvr-500 to another slot and repeated steps, diffrent error, tried a third slot and was back to the fist error
[01:02] <MythbuntuGuest88> still getting encoder mailbox not found....
[01:38] <MythbuntuGuest88> Anyone know much about ivtv firmware for a pvr-500?
[01:42] <MythbuntuGuest14> hi, every time i try to install mythbuntu it freezes.
[01:42] <MythbuntuGuest14> i can't even get to the desktop where you can run from cd or install
[01:42] <MythbuntuGuest14> i can install many different linux distros fine
[01:44] <MythbuntuGuest14> i've tried redownloading and burning multiple disxs
[01:44] <MythbuntuGuest88> Have you tried the 2nd option on the CD? Thats what I have to use..
[01:44] <MythbuntuGuest14> "safe graphics mode"?
[01:44] <MythbuntuGuest88> yes, sorry...
[01:44] <MythbuntuGuest14> i think i did...i'll give it a go. about how long can until i'm brought to the desktop where you can install or run from cd
[01:44] <MythbuntuGuest14> usually it only takes a few minutes on other distros. this is very frustrating. i'm about to buy a windows xp oem disc because this isn't working
[01:47] <padan> is anyone using a pcie card that provides hdmi (with the sound) out?
[01:47] <padan> via like spdif
[03:02] <levander> Best place to buy a cheap IR receiver?
[03:05] <alexvd> Hi anyone know why turning on opengl vsync causes my screen to get corrupted with green pixelated blocks  Running nvidia6600 pcx.
[03:12] <alexvd> hey guys i have an odd one more than likely due to the new nvidia driver
[03:12] <alexvd> when I turn on opengl vsync in mythtv playback settings I get green pixelated blocks all over my screen
[03:13] <alexvd> I am using nvidia 6600pcx with restricted drivers.  I turned of vsync blitter in nvidia settings
[03:13] <alexvd> tgm4883 or rhpot1991 you guys around?
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> yesy
[03:15] <alexvd> tgm4883 can you enable opengl vsync without issues?
[03:15] <levander> Anybody using the USB UIRT as an IR receiver?  I'm just wondering if it works okay.
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> how do you connect to the tv again?
[03:15] <alexvd> oh component out
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> sec let me try
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> it may take awhile
[03:15] <alexvd> ok
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> as i can only do things when im dead :)
[03:16] <alexvd> dead as in not watching tv?
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> dead as in im playing gears of war
[03:16] <alexvd> i used to always use 8756 but I think mythbuntu is running 100. something
[03:16] <alexvd> gears of war have it just havent had chance to play
[03:24] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, what do you want me to set?
[03:25] <alexvd> opengl vsync
[03:25] <alexvd> in settings tv playback
[03:25] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[03:25] <alexvd> and turn on deinterlacing
[03:25] <alexvd> kernel
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> min
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> deinterlacing kernel?
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> alexvd, ^^
[03:28] <alexvd> yep
[03:28] <alexvd> does it work for you?
[03:29] <tgm4883_laptop> what is deinterlacing kernel?
[03:29] <alexvd> its one of the dienterlacing options
[03:30] <alexvd> you will see bob kernel
[03:30] <alexvd> linear blend etc
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> what about bob (2x framerate)
[03:31] <alexvd> i dont need that
[03:31] <alexvd> does it work for you when you enable
[03:31] <alexvd> i think its a bug in the nvidia driver version
[03:32] <alexvd> sorry tgm got knocked off
[03:33] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[03:33] <tgm4883_laptop> then play what?
[03:33] <alexvd> just launch livetv
[03:34] <alexvd> does it work?
[03:34] <alexvd> and what version of the nvidia driver are you running?
[03:34] <alexvd> I am running 100.14.19
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[03:36] <tgm4883_laptop> works here
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> using 9639 from the repos
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> which driver do you use?
[03:37] <alexvd> yeah i think its the driver
[03:37] <alexvd> i am running the latest for some reason 100.14.19
[03:37] <tgm4883_laptop> nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[03:37] <alexvd> hmm
[03:37] <alexvd> let me look
[03:38] <alexvd> driver says nvidia
[03:39] <alexvd> driver in xorg is just "nvidia"
[03:39] <alexvd> why does that matter?
[03:39] <alexvd> and where are you looking?
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> synaptic
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> becuase -new is different
[03:39] <alexvd> what is -new
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> and people use that when I think they are not supposed to
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> I think it's for higher end cards
[03:40] <alexvd> ok
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> ie, 8800
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> but people see new and have to install it
[03:40] <alexvd> oh
[03:40] <alexvd> i just went with the stock install
[03:40] <alexvd> and then updates came down
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> or they think cause they just bought the card thats what they should use
[03:40] <alexvd> i didnt even check to see what updates were installed
[03:41] <alexvd> it probably installed the latest nvidia driver and thats why it is running 100.14.19
[03:41] <tgm4883_laptop> well nvidia-glx the newest version is 9359
[03:41] <alexvd> strange
[03:41] <tgm4883_laptop> err, 9639
[03:42] <tgm4883_laptop> mine is an onboard nvidia 6100
[03:42] <tgm4883_laptop> just FYI
[03:44] <alexvd> yep that is what is installed
[03:44] <alexvd> new
[03:44] <alexvd> stupid stupid
[03:44] <alexvd> man if downgrade driver
[03:44] <alexvd> will it screw up my xorg file
[03:47] <alexvd> tgm thanks for the help i appreciate it
[03:51] <alexvd> motherfligger it is asking to start in low graphics mode and i dont have keyboard and monitor plugged in shit
[03:51] <alexvd> pain in the ass
[04:18] <Iolaus> Can anyone help me out with volume/mute in MythTV?  Neither are having an affect in my install.
[04:20] <tgm4883_laptop> Iolaus, use your tv's volume/mute
[04:20] <tgm4883_laptop> or is that not an option?
[04:22] <Iolaus> it is an option, but I'd prefer to control it all from 1 remote
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> what remote?
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> Is anyone else having issues searching IMDB with mythvideos
[04:27] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, Is anyone else having issues searching IMDB with mythvideos
[04:27] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883_laptop, not that I am aware of
[04:27] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> stupid imdb/something else thats broken
[04:33] <Iolaus> the remote is an ATI Remote Wonder
[04:34] <Iolaus> When I adjust volume or mute it shows up on the OSD but doesn't affect the volume
[04:36] <foxbuntu_> Iolaus, it will only change the actual volume if you are using internal MythTV audio controls
[04:37] <Iolaus> foxbuntu: I'm afraid I'm not following
[04:38] <foxbuntu_> Iolaus, MythTV has its own set of audio controls or you can pass it all to the Alsa/OSS controls
[04:38] <foxbuntu_> depends how you have it setup
[04:38] <Iolaus> ah, and it will only work in one of those situations?
[04:38] <foxbuntu_> it will only work if you use the MythTV controls
[04:39] <Iolaus> foxbuntu: is there any downside to using the MythTV controls?
[04:39] <foxbuntu_> I have had issues in the past
[04:39] <foxbuntu_> with audio quality
[04:40] <foxbuntu_> You can try it and see what you think
[04:40] <Iolaus> Is there an easy way to switch?
[04:40] <foxbuntu_> yes...its in the setup menus for MythTV
[04:41] <Iolaus> Cool
[04:41] <Iolaus> Do you know if not being able to control Alsa volume is a problem or is it just a development constraint?
[04:42] <Iolaus> Hmm... for audio output device in the setup menu I have:  ALSA:default, /dev/dsp, and /dev/adsp
[04:43] <foxbuntu_> Iolaus, its the interface between lirc and gnome
[04:43] <foxbuntu_> ...or rather the lack of one
[04:43] <Iolaus> ah, and Myth isn't able to control the volume of ALSA?
[04:43] <foxbuntu_> no
[04:43] <superm1> sure it is
[04:44] <foxbuntu_> superm1, ?
[04:44] <superm1> the issues come when you jam your mixers at 100 percent
[04:44] <Iolaus> superm1: how so?
[04:44] <superm1> Iolaus, as in you turn up the master mixer and pcm mixer to 100 percent volume
[04:44] <superm1> it saturates
[04:45] <superm1> that would probably be what foxbuntu is referring to with the "lower qualitY"
[04:45] <Iolaus> but why would that prevent MythTV from muting audio?
[04:45] <superm1> does your sound card not have those two mixers?
[04:45] <superm1> some dont have master and/or pcm
[04:47] <Iolaus> it does have pcm
[04:47] <Iolaus> although I'm using analog outputs
[04:47] <superm1> but does it have master?
[04:47] <superm1> oh the analog outputs are independent of pcm?
[04:47] <Iolaus> yes
[04:47] <superm1> then that would be your issue right there
[04:48] <superm1> my recommendation would be to modify the volume on your receiver instead
[04:48] <Iolaus> hmm... no way to get MythTV to control the volume of the "Front" Playback output?
[04:49] <superm1> not without modifying the source unfortunately
[04:49] <Iolaus> I guess it isn't the end of the world for me if not.  I'm using the analog out temporarily till I get support for audio over HDMI
[04:49] <superm1> i have the same issue with one of my sound cards
[04:49] <Iolaus> interesting
[04:49] <Iolaus> maybe it'll be added in the future
[04:49] <superm1> so instead i'm using spdif
[04:49] <Iolaus> gotcha
[04:49] <superm1> and modifying oh the receiver
[04:49] <superm1> since my remote can learn vol+/vol- from my receiver remote
[04:50] <tgm4883_laptop> it really is a great remote
[04:50] <Iolaus> unfortunately, the remote I'm using is RF I believe
[04:50] <tgm4883_laptop> the only way it could be better is if it could read my mind
[04:50] <Iolaus> I think I'll be switching for some kind of tablet pc remotes eventually
[04:51]  * tgm4883_laptop writes a new blueprint for foxbuntu 
[04:55] <Iolaus> do you guys have any suggestions for making the text on the OSD look better?
[04:55] <Iolaus> mind looks kinda crappy
[04:56] <alexvd> hi i downgraded from the 100.14.19 nvidia driver to the 9631 driver and now it keeps booting into low graphics mode and asking to configure.  I dont have a keyboard and mouse on this box and now I can vnc in.  The xorg file is correct but it doesnt load properly. I have a 6600 nvidia card connected via componenent out
[04:57] <alexvd> i tried to connect the old monitor but when I did it didnt allow me to configure the secondary tv out monitor for 1920x 1080i like in the setup screens
[04:59] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883_laptop, thanks...I need more blueprints...I only have 5
[05:01] <tgm4883_laptop> np
[05:01] <alexvd> All is this some kind of bug.  All I did was downgrade the driver.
[05:02] <alexvd> tgm4883_laptop: can you help I downgraded the driver to 9631 and I cant get x to load properly
[05:02] <superm1> alexvd, how did you have the newer one installed
[05:02] <superm1> and how did you install this older one
[05:03] <alexvd> default install and then I guess somehow the ubuntu updates must have taken it to 100.14.19
[05:03] <alexvd> so whatever comes with mythbuntu then it must have been upgraded by the update manager
[05:03] <superm1> okay so which package was installed?
[05:03] <superm1> nvidia-glx-new?
[05:03] <superm1> or nvidia-glx?
[05:03] <alexvd> the nvidia-glx-new
[05:03] <alexvd> 100.14.19
[05:04] <superm1> okay so you switched to the nvidia-glx package then?
[05:04] <alexvd> yes
[05:04] <superm1> okay and have you looked over /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:04] <superm1> and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[05:04] <alexvd> yes
[05:04] <superm1> to see why it can't start
[05:04] <alexvd> let me look at old
[05:04] <superm1> (particularly the .old one)
[05:06] <alexvd> ok so i get two errors failed to initialize the nvidia kernel please ensure that there is  supported nvidia gpu
[05:06] <alexvd> and screens found but none have usable configuration
[05:06] <alexvd> was just working fine with 100.14.19
[05:07] <alexvd> again i have this connected via the tvout componenet
[05:07] <superm1> okay so nvidia-glx doesn't support your GPU it sounds like
[05:07] <superm1> whereas nvidia-glx-new did
[05:07] <alexvd> nvidia 6600
[05:07] <alexvd> i doubt that very much
[05:08] <superm1> i'm assuming you've rebooted so the proper kernel module would load on boot?
[05:08] <alexvd> i get fatal server error
[05:08] <alexvd> no screens found
[05:08] <tgm4883_laptop> well wasn't working "just fine"
[05:08] <alexvd> yes I rebooted several time
[05:09] <alexvd> Yes it wasnt working because of the bug in 100.14.19 that caused screen corruption when opengl vsync was enabled
[05:09] <alexvd> However I could get X to load and watch sdtv and hdtv
[05:10] <alexvd> So does 9631 handle component tv out different than 100.14.19.
[05:11] <superm1> they don't handle them any differently
[05:11] <superm1> the big difference is just the supported GPUs list
[05:12] <alexvd> Ok because older drivers didnt support meta modes etc.. and you couldnt specify component out
[05:13] <superm1> well its telling you though that the issue is the kernel module
[05:13] <superm1> so even if that was the problem (component out), it is irrelevant
[05:14] <alexvd> Shoot so I looked at the xorg and its exactly the same.  However its not finding the screen.  When I installed it I used my crappy old monitor 800x600 with the component dongle connected and the setup allowed me to specify tv out component for 1080i.  When i connected my monitor again it had a vesa driver selected and when i tried to select the nvidia driver restricted for 6600 it allowed me but the secondary monitor onl
[05:14] <alexvd> y allowed for generic and then 1600x1200
[05:15] <superm1> look if you can't modprobe the nvidia module, you're not going to get much further
[05:16] <alexvd> well in the log it says it unloaded the nvidia module
[05:16] <alexvd> sudo modprobe nvidia
[05:16] <alexvd> is that what i should do to check?
[05:18] <alexvd> I probably downgraded improper.  All i did was click on install the glx version. synaptic then removed the glx-new driver.  Should I go back and completely remote the driver and then reinstall or just do a manual install of the 9631 driver
[05:19] <superm1> well you should start out by headed to nvidia.org, and checking that your particular card is supported by 9631
[05:20] <alexvd> i will
[05:20] <levander> Anybody using the USB UIRT as an IR receiver?  I'm just wondering if it works okay.
[05:24] <hansoffate> superm1: any idea why my 8500 isn't giving me the option of overscan?
[05:24] <superm1> no
[05:24] <hansoffate> k
[05:24] <hansoffate> thanks
[05:28] <levander> hansoffate: overscan doesn't work with progressive output
[05:28] <Iolaus> Can anyone tell me if I'm supposed to be using "Use the PVR-350's TV out / MPEG decoder" with my WinTV-PVR-USB2 (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2)?
[05:28] <levander> hansoffate: Are you using progressive or interlaced output from your video card?
[05:28] <Iolaus> I'm not sure if I'm getting hardware decoding or not
[05:29] <hansoffate> levander: im using svideo
[05:29] <hansoffate> nvidia-settings isn't giving me the option to change overscan.
[05:29] <hansoffate> is that what you are asking?
[05:30] <levander> hansoffate: I think I was doing 480p over svideo once.  But, you're saying you're doing interlaced?
[05:30] <levander> hansoffate: What's the "TVOutFormat" in xorg.conf?
[05:30] <superm1> Iolaus, no youre not
[05:30] <Iolaus> thanks
[05:30] <alexvd> superm1: 6600 supported under 1.0.9631
[05:30] <superm1> alexvd, you're variant of it though?
[05:30] <superm1> GT,GTX etc?
[05:30] <alexvd> nope vanilla fanless for htpc
[05:31] <levander> hansoffate: Actually, I'm not sure if its TVOutFormat or TVStandard, it's named something like that.
[05:31] <Iolaus> superm1: you meant that I'm not supposed to enable that feature
[05:31] <superm1> Iolaus, no need to enable it
[05:31] <hansoffate> levander: uh, i can't ssh to my box right now .... im going to try resetting my router
[05:31] <hansoffate> brb
[05:32] <alexvd> levander you can also do it in mythtv settings you can adjust overscan
[05:32] <hansoffate> levander: thanks for giving me some trouble shooting tips, brb
[05:32] <hansoffate> alexvd: oh really?
[05:32] <hansoffate> where?
[05:32] <levander> alexvd: tell hansoffate that
[05:33] <levander> hansoffate: When you do it inside Myth, it only affects where Myth displays itself on the monitor.  Not where your desktop displays it.
[05:33] <levander> Which is good enough for most cases.
[05:33] <alexvd> levander: really into two places one by modifying the actuall pixel size
[05:33] <hansoffate> i see, well there is only about less then an inch that i need to correct
[05:33] <levander> alexvd: It's hansoffate asking about this stuff.  I was just trying to help him.
[05:34] <hansoffate> yea
[05:34] <alexvd> ok
[05:34] <hansoffate> where is it? i am in settings
[05:34] <alexvd> hansofatte: its settings appearance
[05:35] <alexvd> sorry cant get into my box right now
[05:35] <hansoffate> k, its a bit hard to read the options ... considering some of the text is cut off, but i'll try figuring it out
[05:36] <hansoffate> i see ___ width px,  ____ Height px:,  ____ x offset,  y offset:
[05:36] <hansoffate> going to try changing x offset
[05:37] <alexvd> hansofatte: try in the tv playback setting first overscan
[05:37] <alexvd> hansoffatte: the general appearnce will modify the whole gui and playback screen if you check that option
[05:38] <alexvd> hansoffatte so try the playback settings first if you just want Tv
[05:40] <hansoffate> playback settings?  i changed Gui X Offset to 20, and it has helped fix it
[05:41] <alexvd> Man this nvidia driver thing is pissing me off.  I am going to give up for now. Man the reason I switched from knoppmyth to mythbuntu was because i was hoping it would be easier but the problems are similar.  I guess debian linux is debian linux.
[05:41] <hansoffate> alexvd: it seems like it is working
[05:42] <alexvd> Hansoffatte: Like I said if it is just your TV playback you can adjst the overscan setting in the tv settings overscan percentages field if you hold gui and menus are cut off or offset than you can use the Apperance and modify the pixels.  Note you can also run seperate gui for menu and tvplayback
[05:43] <hansoffate> tv playback is fine, its my GUI and menus that are being cut off
[05:43] <hansoffate> alexvd:
[05:43] <alexvd> hansofatte; glad to help write those down in case you have to reinstall.
[05:44] <alexvd> i have only had to reinstall a few times :)
[05:45] <hansoffate> GUI x Offset: 50, Gui y Offset: 25,  now i can read the left menus, but it has moved the whole gui to the left and down by that man pixels, so now im missing stuff on the right
[05:45] <hansoffate> should i try chaninging Gui Width (px) and Gui Height (px) from 0
[05:46] <Iolaus> ACK!!!  Help!  After I set the PVR-350 Hardware decoding option on earlier (and since put it back) I can't watch TV
[05:46] <alexvd> Hansoffatte: yeah I am afraid so although please be aware that will actually lower your resolution a bit if you care.  I found an easy way to get it centered is to VNC in from another machine and then you can see how off it is
[05:47] <hansoffate> well the screen supports 1920 X 1080, should i put that in as Gui width/height?
[05:47] <hansoffate> im pretty sure that the desktop resultion isn't set as that
[05:47] <alexvd> right so start at 1920 and then go backwards 1880
[05:48] <alexvd> might want to go back and zero the offset
[05:48] <alexvd> and then adjust
[05:48] <alexvd> after you get the proper size
[05:48] <Iolaus> Does anyone know how I can troubleshoot this no tv problem?
[05:48] <Iolaus> I have no idea what the hell happened.  Everything was working and now this :(
[05:49] <alexvd> Iolaus: dont have pvr350 but I would check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[05:49] <alexvd> also disable the option in the menu
[05:50] <hansoffate> alexvd:  i wish i could vnc, but for some reason, my mythbuntu box stopped accepting connections in.  I can't VNC or SSH.  but that's a whole different problem
[05:51] <alexvd> hansofatte: ok just eyeball it then
[05:51] <alexvd> ok good luck
[05:51] <Iolaus> alexvd: I've disabled the option but it seems to have screwed up my back-end somehow
[05:51] <hansoffate> oh oh.... now i can't even see the setup menu
[05:51] <hansoffate> hahaha
[05:52] <alexvd> Iolaus: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[05:52] <hansoffate> i just see the top left corner of the screen.
[05:52] <Iolaus> alexvd: tried a restart
[05:53] <alexvd> Hansoffate: thier is a way via command line to reset to defaults if you need to search google
[05:53] <hansoffate> alexvd: my resolution is set to 1024x768 .. .even though its 16:9 and it can support up to 1920X1080
[05:54] <Iolaus> I'm getting this in the back-end log: 2007-12-17 23:51:55.252 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1002_20071217235133.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()'
[05:54] <Iolaus> and: 2007-12-17 23:51:55.252 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1002_20071217235133.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()'
[05:54] <alexvd> Iolaus sounds like you have wrong mpeg setup I dont think you want hardware decoder support
[05:54] <Iolaus> ack, meant this: MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout - ivtv driver has stopped responding
[05:54] <Iolaus> any ideas?
[05:55] <alexvd> Iolaus sorry no  search gossammer threads mythtv users
[05:55] <alexvd> hansofatte: why do you ahve 1024x768 if the native display is 1920x1080 then you should run that
[05:56] <hansoffate> when i click on settings, the max i can have is 1025x768
[05:56] <alexvd> Are you running component dvi or vga
[05:56] <hansoffate> via svideo
[05:57] <alexvd> your limited to 480p
[05:57] <alexvd> so you are not going to be able to run 1920X768
[05:57] <hansoffate> k
[05:57] <alexvd> you could run 720X480
[05:57] <hansoffate> k
[05:58] <alexvd> 800x600
[05:58] <alexvd> is good for svga i think
[05:58] <alexvd> svideo sorry
[05:58] <alexvd> does your tv have component or dvi or
[05:59] <alexvd> if so you defintely want to connect that way
[06:00] <hansoffate> it supports dvi, im actually setting this up for my grandpa.  anyways, he has audio out going to a reciever in the main room.  He mainly likes the Streaming music and being able to play it in the main room. (the tv is in his office).  For some reason, when you have it connected with DVI, it doesnt use the audio out, but when connected with Svideo, it does use the audio output.
[06:00] <alexvd> hansoffate: run 800x600
[06:01] <alexvd> i have to goto bed
[06:04] <Iolaus> whew, back-end server reboot fixed it
[06:04] <Iolaus> I think ivtv was screwed
[06:04] <Iolaus> so, now back to asthetics
[06:04] <Iolaus> would changing the OSD font make it look better?
[06:05] <Iolaus> currently some letters overlap
[06:07] <Iolaus> It's currently set to FreeSans.ttf
[06:10] <Iolaus> nevermind, found some info in the mailinglists
[06:19] <hansoffate> whats the xorg config for overscan?
[06:52] <hansoffate_> hi
[06:52] <hansoffate_> when i try a sudo mount -a i get an error, Mount error: mount point /mnt/Shared does not exist
[06:53] <hansoffate_> however, i made the /mnt/Shared folder yesterday, when I try to navigate to /mnt/Sh (tab complete) it gets hung up
[06:53] <hansoffate_> any ideas what would cause that?
[06:54] <JThundley> I've had that happen when a samba share goes bad
[06:54] <JThundley> like your cat5 got unplugged between you and your samba server
[06:55] <JThundley> sudo umount -f /mnt/Shared
[06:55] <JThundley> type it out, autocomplete will continue to hang
[06:55] <JThundley> and then remount it and everything should be normal
[06:59] <hansoffate_> thanks i'll try it out
[07:00] <hansoffate_> yup that fixed it
[07:01] <hansoffate_> JThundley: thanks for the help, i have 2 mp3's that are being shared, but for some reason, when i run the music tool, it doesn't find them ... or at least i don't think.  I try clicking on all music, and nothing shows up
[07:02] <JThundley> no prob dude, what are you trying to do with the music?
[07:02] <JThundley> like arnold, he'll be back
[07:02] <hansoffate_> haha im still here
[07:03] <hansoffate_> just play it from a samba (cifs) mount
[07:03] <hansoffate_> i have it pointed to the mount directory with the mp3s, and i tried a scan, but nothing shows up
[07:17] <JThundley> mplayer /mnt/Shared/song.mp3
[07:24] <hansoffate_> yea
[07:24] <hansoffate_> mplayer is playing it now
[07:24] <JThundley> your software should be able to find and play it
[07:25] <JThundley> unless it doesn't support mp3s yet for some reason
[07:25] <JThundley> wouldn't hurt to try manually opening and playing the song with the program you're using
[07:25] <hansoffate_> i installed the propreitery codecs from control center
[07:25] <JThundley> what are you trying to use, anyway?
[07:25] <hansoffate_> myth music
[07:26] <hansoffate_> when i scan for music, it doesn't seem to find it
[07:26] <hansoffate_> i have it pointed to the correct folder though
[07:27] <JThundley> weird
[07:27] <JThundley> maybe point it a dir up?
[07:27] <JThundley> like /mnt
[07:28] <hansoffate_> the way i have it structured is /mnt/Shared/  then 2 folders
[07:28] <hansoffate_> Video, Musik
[07:28] <hansoffate_> i point mythvideo to the video folder, and that is working great
[07:29] <hansoffate_> i point mythmusic to the Musik folder, however, it isn't finding the 2 test mp3s i have in there
[07:29] <hansoffate_> but i can play it through mplayer through the term
[07:31] <JThundley> that's really weird
[07:32] <JThundley> my ideas are getting worse as we go along ;)
[07:32] <JThundley> because my next idea is to recreate a Music/Artist/Album/song.mp3 structure
[07:33] <hansoffate_> hahaha
[07:33] <hansoffate_> im damn tired, I'll try that out then go to bed and continue this later
[07:33] <JThundley> also go through the music settings again, you might notice something out of place
[07:34] <JThundley> mythmusic is kind of crappy anyway
[07:37] <hansoffate_> JThundley: still nogo with artist/album/song.mp3 structure
[07:37] <JThundley> yeah, I admit, it was a retarded idea
[07:38] <hansoffate_> no, any idea is worht trying
[07:38] <hansoffate_> thanks for your help
[07:38] <hansoffate_> i'll try to get some more help tomorrow, im tired and maybe im just stupid and can't see my mistake
[07:39] <JThundley> you'll get it working, it's not too hard :)
[07:41] <hansoffate_> i just tried putting in a cd
[07:41] <hansoffate_> and a cd isn't even playing...
[07:41] <hansoffate_> ugh, im tired
[07:41] <hansoffate_> im done iwth this
[07:41] <hansoffate_> thanks for the help
[13:17] <javatexan> can I add existing mpeg2 and/or mpeg4 content to mythtv?
[13:44] <hexxeh> yes. i forget the script to facilitate it
[14:18] <pdragon> javatexan: yes, just put it in the videos folder, go to the Video Manager in the setup section to have it scan the folder. It'll show up in your Media Library then
[15:11] <rhpot1991> does anyone have any idea what happauge's warranty policy is?
[15:17] <pdragon> don't know. looking online, looks like they came with a warranty card of some sort. otherwise, might be whatever warranty you got from where you bought it
[15:18] <rhpot1991> ya I didn't see anything on their website
[15:18] <rhpot1991> and amazon is 30 days
[15:18] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, usually 90-days to 1-year...depends what card it is when and where you bought it
[15:18] <rhpot1991> My master backend randomly crashes (whole box completely locked up) leaving behind a 1B file of a recording that it had just started to make, this happens once every few weeks.  I have yet to find anything useful in the logs to point at a problem so I am beginning to suspect that the tuner may have a problem.
[15:19] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, which hap tuner?
[15:20] <hexxeh> what's your ethernet card?
[15:20] <javatexan> can you have mythtv only record a show with no duplicates
[15:21] <javatexan> like for a whole season....you know catch the ones (Rerun or first run) but with no dups?
[15:22] <pdragon> yes
[15:22] <rhpot1991> pvr350
[15:23] <hexxeh> assuming your schedules are correct, it should do that automatically when you ask it to record every instance of a show
[15:23] <pdragon> by default, it does not record duplicates of anything
[15:23] <rhpot1991> onboard ethernet on my mobo, msi k7ng-ilsr
[15:24] <javatexan> oh...I am thinking about sending back my tivo and giving it a whirl......
[15:24] <hexxeh> forcedeth. should be okay
[15:24] <javatexan> do I have to keep the shows on the HD for it to know that its a dup...or does it keep track of what has been downloads
[15:24] <javatexan> downloaded
[15:25] <pdragon> if you only want it to record new episodes of a show, there's a flag to tell it to do just that
[15:25] <pdragon> then it will only every record it's first run as long as you don't delete it within i think two week
[15:25] <hexxeh> javatexan, it keeps a record of all recorded shows
[15:26] <pdragon> i think the "New Episode" mark looks for things that are first run within the last 2 weeks and not previously recorded
[15:26] <javatexan> so it uses the database to know if dup...not what is currently on the HD....am i understanding correctly?
[15:26] <rhpot1991> acutally I lied, this is the mobo: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K7N2_Delta-ILSR&class=mb
[15:26] <rhpot1991> nVIDIA® nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset
[15:26] <pdragon> if you tell it new episodes only, it goes by the date and what's currently on the hard drive
[15:28] <pdragon> actually, looking at the settings now...
[15:29] <pdragon> it looks like you can tell it to check for Duplicates in: 1) Current Recordings  2)Previous Recordings  3) Only New Episodes  4) All Recordings
[15:29] <pdragon> Setting that to option 3 tells it to only record new episodes
[15:31] <javatexan> oh thats cool
[15:31] <pdragon> Combine that with telling it to only record one episode per week, and you'll get just the new episode of a show each week
[15:31] <pdragon> *once each week
[15:32] <javatexan> how do i see if mythtv can control my cable box?
[15:32] <pdragon> check the wiki for supported hardware
[15:32] <pdragon> or ask on the support forum
[15:33] <pdragon> best thing for figuring out how the scheduling works is to play with the settings yourself :)
[15:33] <pdragon> that's what i did the first few weeks i had it
[15:33] <javatexan> what is the support forum?
[15:34] <pdragon> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[15:34] <rhpot1991> javatexan: you can also throw a huge hard drive in there and record anything and everything
[15:35] <javatexan> lol...i have 2 750GB hd in my server right now.....;)  Looking to filler up
[15:36] <pdragon> set it to transcode the stuff down into xvid or divx and you'll have plenty of space
[15:36] <pdragon> for things you want to keep
[15:36] <pdragon> otherwise, just let the stuff auto-expire when the drive gets full
[15:36] <rhpot1991> thats what I do, just record every week and old stuff goes away
[15:36] <pdragon> i just have it set to keep the last two episodes of whatever I regularly watch
[15:37] <pdragon> once the third comes around, it deletes the oldest one
[15:37] <rhpot1991> I have it recording things like malcolm in the middle every day, but it only keeps like 20 eps (since there are like 4 on a day)
[15:38] <pdragon> i don't record much old stuff with it. if i want to watch an old show, i just go download the whole season via torrent :)
[15:39]  * rhpot1991 uses netflix for old stuff now
[15:50] <javatexan> whats a good video card...not too overblown but clear on the tv...for using with ubuntu-mythtv?
[15:51] <hexxeh> any geforce 5 or higher
[15:52] <javatexan> you mean x500 or higher right, not 5x00 or higher?
[15:54] <hexxeh> i mean 5x00 or higher
[15:56] <javatexan> really....???  wow so XFX GeForce 7200 GS Video Card would be overkill, eh?
[15:56] <pdragon> unless you need component video out or if you're plugging into an flatscreen tv that has DVI plugs
[15:58] <javatexan> nope.....
[15:58] <pdragon> yup, 5x00 series card with s-video out would be fine then
[16:00] <javatexan> any of these guys worth staying away from , biostar, xfx, Evga, visiontek, KFA2, PNY?
[16:00] <pdragon> biostar makes crap motherboards, so wouldn't trust their video
[16:01] <pdragon> XFX, PNY and BFG are good
[16:01] <javatexan> thanks.
[16:01] <pdragon> I've had a few MSI cards with no problems either
[16:01] <rhpot1991> I went with some asus ones
[16:01] <rhpot1991> after having a hard time with evga ones
[16:03] <pdragon> working on building one for my parents... what's the lowest you'd want to go for a processor if you're going to be recording/playing HD?
[16:03] <pdragon> going with a core2duo. are the low-end ones of them good enough?
[16:04] <javatexan> okay...which capture card do you guys like?
[16:04] <pdragon> hauppauge
[16:05] <javatexan> ok....which version...is the 500 worth the extra cash?
[16:05] <pdragon> 150 if you just need a single tuner. or 500 if you need dual-tuner (or you can get 2 150s if you've got the space)
[16:05] <rhpot1991> happauge for SD, hdhomerun for HD (I hear)
[16:07] <javatexan> well i have two pci
[16:07] <rhpot1991> get a 500
[16:07] <pdragon> i'd go for the 500 then. just in case you need another slot for something
[16:07] <rhpot1991> so you can leave one open incase you need anything
[16:07] <javatexan> do they make a pci-e hap...i have a ton of those... :)
[16:08] <rhpot1991> dunno about support
[16:08] <pdragon> unfortunately, with mtyhtv you really can't go getting the latest and greatest stuff
[16:08] <pdragon> takes time for drivers to be made available and supported well
[16:10] <hexxeh> the company that makes the pcie bridge chip used on all pcie tuners hates linux & wishes cancer upon all linux developers and users
[16:10] <hexxeh> so not happening
[16:11] <javatexan> k...thanks....what do I need next?
[16:12] <javatexan> got video card for playback...hap card....got the cable box  SA 3250HD....how do I do remote stuff, RF or IR
[16:12] <hexxeh> you have a 3250hd? i thought you had a 4250hdc?
[16:13] <javatexan> i am turning it in today...for the 3250 with Firewire turned on
[16:13] <hexxeh> well, you don't want or need a hauppauge tuner then. the 3250 is completely firewire friendly
[16:13] <javatexan> unfortunately....it doesn't look like the 3250Firewire works completely
[16:13] <hexxeh> channel changing, and video streaming
[16:14] <javatexan> it is...I read you couldnt see HBO or showtime etc
[16:14] <javatexan> is that out of date
[16:14] <hexxeh> urgh. might not be. depends on which channels your cable co permits you to watch
[16:15] <javatexan> how would I telll?  don't tell me....plug it in and see .... LMAO?
[16:15] <rhpot1991> heh, pretty much
[16:15] <hexxeh> essentially. cab;e cos are a bit weird sometimes over what they permit you to do
[16:15] <rhpot1991> depends how evil your cable co is
[16:17] <javatexan> mines not that evil, just "special" and very backwoodsy, I had to show them how to hook up cablecards last week...It was fun ;)...they charged me $30 to do it too....Sad...so sad
[16:17] <rhpot1991> you might have better luck then
[16:18] <javatexan> so if i cant use the FW, what do I need to control the box?
[16:18] <rhpot1991> hauppauge card with an ir blaster
[16:18] <hexxeh> typically, an IR blaster :)
[16:18] <rhpot1991> I think the 150 retail boxes come with them anymore, at least mine did
[16:18] <rhpot1991> but my 350 didn't
[16:20] <javatexan> how does myth get the remote...another ir blaster?
[16:21] <rhpot1991> ir receiver
[16:21] <rhpot1991> hauppauge cards generally come with them, and a remote
[16:21] <rhpot1991> though a lot of people like the mce usb2 ones
[16:25] <javatexan> are you guys using the ir blaster...how does that work...seems mythtv and the cable box would get out of sync every once in a while.
[16:25] <javatexan> myth thinks its on channel 5 but the STB never changed channel...whatever
[16:25] <Dr_willis> javatexan,  i imagine that can be an issue.
[16:26] <javatexan> does it happen to yous guys?
[16:26] <Dr_willis> Could have it send the channel change 2 or 3 times I guess if its a problem.
[16:26] <Dr_willis> Ive given up on Using the STB and IRblaster for now. :(
[16:26] <javatexan> ah...I see...so its FW or bust, eh?
[16:26] <rhpot1991> I don't use one, just go cable into my cards
[16:26]  * hexxeh uses DVB-T, no set-top boxes in sight
[16:27] <Dr_willis> I havent had time to watch tv lately. So not been recording anything.
[16:27] <javatexan> lol....
[16:27] <Dr_willis> cable company here moved channels around also on me.. so all myt recordings were for the wrong channels for the last few weeks also. :(
[16:28] <javatexan> ouch
[16:29] <Dr_willis> they also changed the GUI to the STB's so now we have commercials/ads at the bottom of the Listings channel. :(
[16:30] <Dr_willis> wife called them up and really ranted at them.
[16:30]  * tgm4883 uses his Motorola 6200 over firewire
[16:31] <Dr_willis> We dont aparently have any firewire STB's here yet. :(
[16:32] <tgm4883> US?
[16:32] <Dr_willis> yep.
[16:32] <tgm4883> HD programming?
[16:32] <Dr_willis> im not paying any extra for hd. So i have no HD channels
[16:32] <WackoRobie> I am running a ATI Radeon 9200 128m and have issues with getting TV-out to work.  Has anyone gotten the xorg config to work for this card?
[16:32] <tgm4883> ah
[16:33] <tgm4883> well you have local HD channels, you just don't know it
[16:33] <Dr_willis> they got the option.. but well - i have no HD tv's and no hd tuners, and no hd anything. :)
[16:33] <Dr_willis> and i doubt if my cartoon network will look that much better for me. :)
[16:33] <hexxeh> i'd kill for HD cartoon network!
[16:33] <pdragon> cartoons actually look surprisingly better in HD
[16:33] <hexxeh> cartoons are one of the main things that shows up in HD, IME
[16:34] <Dr_willis> HD old cartoonds  :) see all the scratches and lint much clearer!
[16:34] <hexxeh> they also show up bad compression really badly, as any gradienting or macroblocking or aliasing is so pronounced
[16:37] <Dr_willis> they show up bad compression  badly? :)  I had to reread that a few times..
[16:37] <Dr_willis> It just seems that for me and my needs/shows the whole hd  change is just a way to get more $$ from me. :)
[16:38] <Dr_willis> I understand the digital is better, and  so forth. but It seems with the cable companies.. any 'new' things always adds up more and more cost.  seems the lower end tier servics should be getting cheaper. but they are not.
[16:39] <pdragon> i just want a-la-carte tv service
[16:39] <Dr_willis> They want us to us4e their STB's so they can try to shove this 'video on demand' stuff on us and make more $$
[16:39] <pdragon> pay for the channels i want and not the others
[16:39] <WackoRobie> I am running a ATI Radeon 9200 128m and have issues with getting TV-out to work.  Has anyone gotten the xorg config to work for this card?
[16:39] <Dr_willis> redundant channels on the low range, and the digital  channels..
[16:39] <Dr_willis> Like i NEED 4 Home Shopping Channels
[16:40] <pdragon> WackoRobie: if no one is answering here, you can try the support forum
[16:40] <WackoRobie> pdragon, didnt mean to double post.  I hadnt registered the nick yet and wasnt sure I had voice
[16:40] <pdragon> ahh ok
[16:43] <Dr_willis> may want to check the various fglrx forums/threads at the ubuntu pages. I recall ati out being very unsupported on some cards. :(
[16:44] <rhpot1991> I don't like how ati changed their dual monitor config
[16:45] <rhpot1991> none of the new ways seem to work on my amd64 box
[16:48] <Dr_willis> only ati i have left is my laptop. And saving for a new one of those. :)
[16:49] <WackoRobie> Suggestions on a realy cheap video card the will be fully compliant composite or s-video out?
[16:49] <rhpot1991> nvidia 5x00 on up
[16:49] <rhpot1991> but try your ati first
[16:50] <rhpot1991> some of them work, some don't
[16:50] <WackoRobie> oh.  I have been trying.  :)
[16:50] <WackoRobie> about to try it right through a wall. ;)
[16:50] <pdragon> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125041
[16:51] <WackoRobie> pdragon, Danka
[16:51] <pdragon> been looking for parts for building one for my parents. just came across that like 20 minutes ago :)
[16:53] <rhpot1991> PCIE
[16:54] <rhpot1991> not sure if it matters to you WackoRobie
[16:54] <pdragon> ahh yeah
[17:00] <pdragon> My new mythtv box so far:  https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=5340734&WishListTitle=Parent%27s+DVR
[17:00] <pdragon> think the processor is overkill? they may be getting an HDHomerun for local HD stuff, so can't go super low-end on the processor
[17:03] <tgm4883> nope, thats about right
[17:03] <pdragon> cool. thanks
[17:04] <tgm4883> not sure about the HD though
[17:04] <tgm4883> i'd say go with a seagate
[17:04] <pdragon> why?
[17:04] <tgm4883> warranty
[17:05] <tgm4883> especially since you will be writing and deleting lots of large files
[17:05] <tgm4883> at least get the extended warranty on the WD drive, although i dont know how good their warranty department is
[17:06] <pdragon> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/09/0651200
[17:06] <pdragon> i'd read that recently, so was avoiding seagate
[17:07] <tgm4883> note that the free agent series is the one they are talking about, and that is their external drive
[17:09] <tgm4883> read some reviews on their internal drives, if you still go with WD (which isn't a problem, i've had good experience with them too), then at least get the extended warranty.  I think it's like $30 for the 3 yr
[17:09] <pdragon> ahh ok
[17:09] <tgm4883> i've just used seagate exclusively in the recent years due to the warranty.  Quality seems about the same as others
[17:10] <tgm4883> although, i've noticed that my new sata seagate is a little louder that the ide seagate i had before.  Although that could be from a number of different things
[17:11] <pdragon> western digitals already have a 3 year warranty
[17:11] <tgm4883> is that new?
[17:11] <pdragon> no
[17:11] <pdragon> they've had that as long as i can remember
[17:11] <rhpot1991> no they don't
[17:11] <rhpot1991> it depends on the modle
[17:11] <rhpot1991> they have a 1/3/5 year model
[17:12] <pdragon> worked in a computer repair shop that typically got WD. they all had 3 years that we got
[17:12] <tgm4883> I think the last drive i bought that way WD was back in 02-03, and they had 1 yr
[17:12] <rhpot1991> retail ones are all 1 year now
[17:12] <pdragon> ahh
[17:12] <pdragon> these were all OEM
[17:12] <rhpot1991> unless you pay for a "better" one
[17:12] <rhpot1991> also they didn't include any kind of extended warranty packet in my mybook, so I dunno if they are eligible or not and its been a while since I got an internal WD drive
[17:13] <pdragon> well, that one's got a 3 year
[17:13] <rhpot1991> I think segates all have 5?
[17:13] <tgm4883> http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp
[17:13] <tgm4883> seagates have 5, not sure about seagate OEM
[17:14] <tgm4883> it is a new thing
[17:14] <pdragon> looks like just the externals have 1 year now
[17:14] <WackoRobie> any thoughts on this card?  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130295
[17:14] <tgm4883> Effective for products purchased since August 1st, 2007. Drives purchased previously have 1 year warranty.
[17:15] <pdragon> you need low profile, WackoRobie ?
[17:15] <tgm4883> that is a low profile card
[17:15] <WackoRobie> Nope
[17:15] <tgm4883> or was that a question?
[17:15] <pdragon> that's a low profile card
[17:15] <tgm4883> WackoRobie, that card wont fit in your case
[17:16] <pdragon> also not composite/component out
[17:16] <rhpot1991> hmmm I should purchase the warranty on my mybook
[17:16] <WackoRobie> I didnt realize the low profiles wouldnt fit in a standard case
[17:16] <rhpot1991> thing seems flaky enough with its 1 year warranty
[17:16] <pdragon> rhpot1991: i get internal drives with enclosure kits
[17:16] <rhpot1991> it was a BF special
[17:16] <pdragon> more expensive at first, but better in the long run
[17:17] <rhpot1991> so it does the job for the price
[17:17] <rhpot1991> but I randomly need to unplug it and plug it back in
[17:17] <tgm4883> WackoRobie, they wont, they are built for slim cases
[17:17] <pdragon> you can do that with enclosure kit ones
[17:17] <WackoRobie> Worst part is that I need the vga and not DVI out
[17:17] <rhpot1991> seems to be acting better since I plugged it into a different usb port
[17:17] <rhpot1991> ya I know, I'm just saying thats how it acts flaky
[17:17] <tgm4883> WackoRobie, thats easy, DVI - VGA adapter
[17:17] <pdragon> ahh
[17:18] <rhpot1991> WackoRobie: a lot of cards actually come with that adapter
[17:18] <WackoRobie> wow.  I didnt realize those were that cheap
[17:18] <WackoRobie> I made the assumption they were expensive
[17:18] <pdragon> WackoRobie: do you need PCI, AGP or PCI Express?
[17:18] <WackoRobie> this is what happens when you stop building your own PCs.  You quickly become a hardware moron
[17:19] <rhpot1991> now I just need to get kernel logging to my router and then maybe I can figure out why this box randomly locks up
[17:19] <WackoRobie> I am assuming PCI right now since the motherboard is fairly old.  Need to check the case tonight
[17:19] <pdragon> definitely check that before you get anything
[17:19] <rhpot1991> check and see if you can do agp
[17:19] <rhpot1991> would be worth it
[17:23] <WackoRobie> I am almost 100% sure its not AGP but it could be.
[18:38] <WackoRobie> anyone still around?
[18:39] <WackoRobie> pdragon, you still lurking?  :)
[18:42] <rhpot1991> I am
[18:43] <WackoRobie> Looking for a cheap pci/agp card for a low end test myth box
[18:44] <rhpot1991> required output?
[18:44] <WackoRobie> composite or s-video
[18:45] <hexxington> fx5200
[18:46] <rhpot1991> if you just want to test it, walk into your local best buy or circuit city, buy one  go home test it, then take it back
[18:47] <WackoRobie> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130207
[18:47] <WackoRobie> that work well?
[18:47] <hexxington> any geforce 5 or better. any.
[18:47] <rhpot1991> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121064
[18:47] <rhpot1991> I have that one
[18:48] <rhpot1991> and this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121542
[18:48] <rhpot1991> 2nd doesn't have svideo though
[18:48] <rhpot1991> both are fanless
[18:48] <beavis> is anyone using the multichannel patch from #1104?
[18:49] <WackoRobie> Thanks.  Tired of fighting the Radeon 9200 that I have
[18:49] <rhpot1991> I'm surprised your having troubles with the 9200, its an older model
[18:49] <rhpot1991> though I shelfed my 9600 pro in favor of an nvidia card too
[18:50] <WackoRobie> Install is great
[18:50] <WackoRobie> then I switch to svideo and boot and it dies
[18:56] <rhpot1991> how does it die?
[18:57] <rhpot1991> and what happened right after the install if you booted with svideo + vga plugged in
[18:57] <rhpot1991> its been a while since I mess with ati, so I'm just going off memory of the old days
[18:59] <WackoRobie> hmm.  Havent tried booting with both plugged in
[19:00] <WackoRobie> boots to the point where it is doing the lirc background scripts.  Flashed the screen a few times, and then dumps to a "could not start X"  to many arguements or something along those lines
[19:01] <rhpot1991> sounds like you did something wrong in the xorg config
[19:05] <WackoRobie> well I havent changed anything in the xorg config yet because I am not sure what to try
[19:06] <WackoRobie> only modification that I have made is using the mythcenter xorg config to change the card type
[19:11] <rhpot1991> ah the screen and graphics helper
[19:12] <rhpot1991> might be better just hacking xorg yourself
[19:15] <rhpot1991> you can try using the aticonfig too
[19:22] <WackoRobie> the aticonfig?
[19:23] <WackoRobie> ok.  I see what you are saying now
[19:24] <rhpot1991> backup your xorg.config first
[19:25] <rhpot1991> it should back it up itself, but you should do it just incase
[19:27] <MindandMetal> hello all.  So, having just confirmed that my card is working fine outside of Myth, in myth, I try to start live tv and it flashes a quick black screen at me and then drops back to main page.  any ideas on where to go from here?
[19:27] <rhpot1991> MindandMetal: /var/log/mythtv/
[19:28] <rhpot1991> check the backend and frontend logs
[19:30] <MindandMetal> "./mythconverge/recorded is marked as crashed and should be repaired"
[19:30] <MindandMetal> I see
[19:31] <rhpot1991> hmmmm
[19:31] <rhpot1991> your db
[19:31] <MindandMetal> how to repair?
[19:31] <rhpot1991> launch MCC
[19:31] <MindandMetal> MCC?
[19:31] <rhpot1991> under advanced management, click optimize tables
[19:31] <rhpot1991> mythbuntu control centre
[19:32] <MindandMetal> daily mythtv database optimization yes?
[19:33] <rhpot1991> or you can run it cli: optimize_mythdb.pl in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib
[19:33] <rhpot1991> I would enable that, but make sure you click the button to do that right now
[19:34] <MindandMetal> ok, has been done
[19:34] <rhpot1991> try to launch again and see what happens
[19:35] <MindandMetal> ok, going to restart.  I have another issue, but I'll inquire about it in a moment perhaps.  if I launch mythtv from command line then I get a pink screen and such.  but, that's happening now and I'm getting channel sound, so it looks like that fixed it.  thanks, I'll brb to confirm
[19:42] <MindandMetal> ok, repairing the db fixed the tv issue
[19:42] <MindandMetal> thank you
[19:42] <rhpot1991> no problem
[19:43] <rhpot1991> did you check the enable daily repairing?
[19:43] <MindandMetal> yes I did
[19:44] <MindandMetal> so, now about the pink screen I get when starting myth from the terminal window.  not a huge deal, since I don't intend to do that except for when troubleshooting, but annoying all the same because I have to restart my machine in order to not get the pink screen even in myth once it's happened...
[19:44] <MindandMetal> any ideas?
[19:44] <WackoRobie> rhpot1991, ok  I booted with both VGA and composite video plugged in
[19:44] <MindandMetal> mostly just what causes it, so that I can be educated
[19:45] <rhpot1991> MindandMetal: thats strange, though I vaguely remember seeing something along the lines of that related to a video driver, try searching the forums
[19:45] <WackoRobie> boot process was displayed on both and when it got to the spot where it fails with just the TV it switched to monitor only but didnt fail
[19:46] <rhpot1991> did you try the aticonfig?
[19:47] <superm1> what is with all these pink screen problems...
[19:47] <WackoRobie> working on that next
[19:47] <superm1> known bug in the present nvidia-glx-new driver?
[19:49] <rhpot1991> are we supposed to be using that driver?
[19:49]  * rhpot1991 is still using the old nvidia driver
[19:49] <hexxington> superm1, yeah, known bug
[19:49] <superm1> hexxington, has it been fixed upstream?
[19:49] <superm1> upstream, meaning nvidia's newer release after we created nvidia-glx-new
[19:50] <hexxington> superm1, not in a stable release. it's fixed in the beta driver
[19:50] <superm1> hexxington, oh that's really a shame
[19:50] <mthaddon> anyone know which branch on launchpad I'd grab to look at the source for the frontend?
[19:50] <MindandMetal> I don't know about other people, but it's not a big deal for me, because it only happens when I try to start myth from the terminal
[19:51] <superm1> mthaddon, the source for the frontend directly isn't managed on launchpad, but the source of the debian/ directory is
[19:51] <superm1> mthaddon, the soure for the rest of the frontend is on svn.mythtv.org
[19:51] <mthaddon> ok, thx :)
[19:52] <mthaddon> it'd be nice to mirror that to launchpad so I could use bzr to hack on it - might look into that
[19:55] <MindandMetal> question, completely off the subject:  In chat, sometimes I'll get what looks like a prvt message (in this window with a yellow box around it) is that private?  how to I send the same type without actually sending a private message new window thing?
[19:55] <rhpot1991> MindandMetal: like this?
[19:56] <MindandMetal> yes, like that
[19:56] <rhpot1991> its cause your name was in the message
[19:56] <MindandMetal> rhpot1991: so, something like this?
[19:56] <rhpot1991> yep
[19:56] <MindandMetal> ahah, ok, thnx, that was befuddling me
[19:57] <rhpot1991> so is it recommended to use nvidia-glx-new or stick with nvidia-glx?
[19:58] <MindandMetal> I'm using the proprietary nvidia (restricted driver) but I'm not sure if that's the best idea.  I am pushing my signal out to an HD plasma, and I'm not sure I have the best picture quality I should
[19:59] <hexxington> rhpot1991, which one supports your hardware? that's the main issue
[19:59] <rhpot1991> what is the hardware range like?
[20:00] <hexxington> nvidia-glx-new: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.19/README/appendix-a.html
[20:01] <hexxington> nvidia-glx: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9639/README/appendix-a.html
[20:01] <hexxington> nvidia-glx-legacy: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7185/README/README
[20:04] <WackoRobie> WackoRobie hates ATI
[20:05] <MindandMetal> it appears my card is listed on both the glx-new and just glx appendix.  I have a pcie geforce 7300 LE
[20:07] <WackoRobie> ok.  when I try and run aticonfig --tv-info it just hangs
[20:16] <rhpot1991> it looks like both my cards are supported by both of them
[20:18] <WackoRobie> any have a suggestion as to why when I run aticonfig --tv-info it just hangs and doesnt output anything
[20:19] <rhpot1991> go look up what you need to plug into xorg.config by hand
[20:20] <WackoRobie> I started there but seem to not be able to find anything
[20:21] <rhpot1991> ask back here again and see if you can find someone who currently runs one
[20:22] <WackoRobie> I am starting to get that feeling. :)
[20:23] <WackoRobie> Part of the reason I was contemplating picking up something more supported
[20:29] <superm1> WackoRobie, amdcccle actually can usually turn on ati's stuff
[20:29] <superm1> via a gui
[20:30] <WackoRobie> superml, not sure what amdcccle
[20:30] <superm1> well if you have it in your MCC, you can run it from there
[20:33] <WackoRobie> superml, can I do it from the command line since I am remoting in right now?
[20:39] <superm1> WackoRobie, if you are X forwarding
[20:39] <superm1> sudo amdcccle
[20:39] <superm1> if its instlaled
[20:39] <superm1> installed even
[20:40] <rhpot1991> superm1 I didn't see it in my ubuntu apt
[20:40] <superm1> rhpot1991, oh that's a shame
[20:40] <rhpot1991> do you need to get it from some other location?
[20:40] <superm1> well I use the drivers right from amd built packages
[20:40] <superm1> so i get it via that
[20:40] <rhpot1991> I'm interested cause I had problems with an ati card on my amd64 and gave up and worked on other stuff
[20:40] <WackoRobie> hah
[20:40] <rhpot1991> is it different than the flgrx-config?
[20:40] <WackoRobie> new errors now
[20:40] <superm1> i wonder why it doesn't ship in the ubuntu driver package
[20:40] <superm1> yes
[20:41] <WackoRobie> [  149.448000] serial8250: too much work for irq11
[20:41] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure it isn't in there, but searching on apt didn't come up with anything, so he would have to verify
[20:41] <WackoRobie> thats what I get now that I ran the aticonfig --initial
[20:41] <superm1> well it might be part of xorg-driver-fglrx
[20:41] <rhpot1991> ya
[20:42] <rhpot1991> does it work well for dual monitors?
[20:42] <rhpot1991> thats the problem I was having, I was so used to hacking xorg myself and now there are all these fancy tools to do it and none of them worked
[20:42] <superm1> well ...
[20:42] <superm1> yes
[20:42] <superm1> it works
[20:42] <superm1> i'll say that
[20:42]  * rhpot1991 misses xinerama
[20:44] <rhpot1991> someday when I am not distracted by shiny things I will get to it
[20:45] <rhpot1991> superm1: ever see any of your boxes randomly crash (system completely unresponsive) and leave behind a recording of 1B in size?  My master backend is doing that about once a month.
[20:46] <superm1> rhpot1991, no haven't
[20:46] <rhpot1991> I'm gonna try to log kernel messages out to my router and see if that gives any clues, it seems like its hardware but its strange cause everything works then it doesn't and I've testing the hard drives and the ram
[20:47] <rhpot1991> it almost seems like its the tuner with it leaving behind the shell of a recording like that
[20:57] <rhpot1991> superm1: how does this lircd_conf line work in hardware.config
[20:58] <rhpot1991> LIRCD_CONF="hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge"
[20:58] <rhpot1991> does it automagically know to look in /usr/share/lirc/remotes/
[20:58] <rhpot1991> for that file
[20:59] <rhpot1991> the old method I used to use, you placed that in /etc/lirc yourself
[21:04] <superm1> rhpot1991, during the reconfigure step
[21:04] <superm1> or installation
[21:04] <superm1> it grabs it from /usr/share/lirc/remotes
[21:04] <superm1> and copies it over
[21:05] <rhpot1991> copies to lircd.conf?
[21:07] <superm1> yeah
[21:07] <superm1> for hardy i'm going to see if i can write a patch to just let it "include"
[21:07] <rhpot1991> ah ok, that makes more sense now
[21:07] <superm1> but haven't gotten around to it yet
[21:11] <rhpot1991> Should I talk to someone about the ipod export script I have going at some point?  I posted a comment in the blueprint and said words when someone was asking about functionality that knoppmyth had.
[21:13] <rhpot1991> also a guy in #mythtv-users has a mythbunutu install that lirc wasn't working on, seems hardcoding the device in hardware.config worked
[21:13] <rhpot1991> not sure its worth noting at all
[21:18] <superm1> rhpot1991, yeah what do you have for your ipod scrpit?
[21:18] <superm1> i started to modify myth2ipod
[21:18] <superm1> to get it working properly, but haven't finished it
[21:19] <rhpot1991> its worth noting that he had more than one ir receiver hooked up at install too
[21:19] <superm1> yeah that makes things pretty messy
[21:20] <rhpot1991> superm1: I took the export script that was on the mythtv wiki, modified it to work with ubuntu ffmpeg, added some random queries to grab data for the showing and then modify the mp4 with atomic parsley to have it show up as a tv show in itunes with whatever info was available
[21:20] <superm1> oooh nice
[21:20] <rhpot1991> also added in hooks for different qualities and I made myself custom user jobs for them
[21:20] <superm1> so how does it know what rate to transcode at?
[21:20] <superm1> and does h264 turn out better?
[21:20] <rhpot1991> passed to the cli
[21:21] <rhpot1991> and I haven't tried h264, just mp4
[21:21] <rhpot1991> I was under the impression that the stock ffmpeg in gutsey didn't do h264 well
[21:21] <rhpot1991> and that itunes is hella picky about it
[21:21] <superm1> well the new ffmpeg in hardy has some nice x264 stuff
[21:22] <superm1> and my ipod touch likes to play h264
[21:22] <superm1> rhpot1991, if you want to take over that spec though
[21:22] <superm1> and get things nicely going
[21:22] <superm1> i'll help you with the packaging for it
[21:22] <rhpot1991> should it be more than a script though?
[21:22] <rhpot1991> it would be nice to have a menu for it, but I haven't the faintest clue where to attack that from
[21:23] <superm1> well i think setting up a transcoding job in the postinstall script
[21:23] <superm1> would be awesome
[21:23] <superm1> and then maybe patching mythweb to have a link to it too
[21:23] <rhpot1991> I was gonna mess with podcasts at some point
[21:24] <rhpot1991> set that up and just let itunes garble them up
[21:24] <rhpot1991> I'll catch you on here sometime this week and talk about how I should get a dev environment setup
[21:24] <rhpot1991> so I can mess with some hardy stuff
[21:25] <rhpot1991> in theory this wouldn't be available till then, or no?
[21:25]  * rhpot1991 is an ubuntu dev n00b
[21:26] <superm1> well in theory
[21:26] <superm1> backporting is feasible but usually messy
[21:27] <superm1> especially with needing to use the newer ffmpeg possibly
[21:27] <rhpot1991> ya
[21:28] <rhpot1991> itunes itself has a character limit for mp4's too
[21:31] <rhpot1991> gotta go visit my Realtor, I'll catch you on dev sometime and talk to you about it some more
[21:32] <superm1> okay
[21:32] <superm1> cya
[21:34] <rhpot1991> cya
[23:45] <nettow0822> hey all
[23:45] <nettow0822>  Does gusty nfs default to udp or tcp?
[23:47] <hansoffate> is it easy to add an HD so that myth will record to it at a later time?
[23:54] <hansoffate> anyone here got a suggestion for processor/mobo for a myth system that may eventually record HD?
[23:55] <hexxington> hansoffate, EU or US?
[23:55] <hansoffate> US
[23:55] <hexxington> anything vaguely modern will do, assuming you can get HD into your machine
[23:56] <hansoffate> i am rebuilding my HTPC because for some reaosn, i got a powersurge, and it destroyed my last
[23:56] <hexxington> your options on that front are FTA terrestrial (ATSC) or a firewire-connected set-top cable box (e.g. moto 6200)
[23:57] <hansoffate> im doing a newegg build to see how much this HTPC will be, but i don't know what processor/mobo to use
[23:57] <hansoffate> i think superm1 or tgm4883  suggested a C2D if i want to record HD programming
[23:57] <MindandMetal> I just picked up a amd64x2 6400+ and it works beautifully.
[23:58] <tgm4883> you can get away with a X2 3800+
[23:59] <MindandMetal> I think I read somewhere that around the 2gig mark is minimum for the old single cores
[23:59] <hexxington> you need c2d for HD in europe. in yankland, you use a less complex codec for HD
[23:59] <hansoffate> k, suggestion on socket? am2 or 939?
[23:59] <hexxington> if you're buying a new machine, buy intel not amd