[00:04] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, im sitting in -ve now, but i'm going to be away from 2hrs time until 6 hours time
[00:05] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  :D
[00:05] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  just in case
[00:05] <effie_jayx> ;)
[00:05] <elkbuntu> :)
[00:11] <effie_jayx> things that bugs me is the bunch of lurkers that come check the site
[00:13] <elkbuntu> ah
[00:35] <justin420> hi all. anybody in here answer a question about how long i am gonna be banned from #ubuntu?
[00:35] <LjL> justin420: why were you banned?
[00:36] <justin420> i got banned for saying something when i got spammed by someone to try freebsd
[00:38] <LjL> justin420, i can understand frustration due to trolls/spammers... however, i also unfortunately have to understand frustration due to the fact that those trolls cause a never-ending follow-up of comments by channel users
[00:38] <LjL> and that we have hardly any hope of making those channel users understand that that's what the trolls *want*
[00:38] <LjL> so, i really cannot justify your response to my request to stop commenting
[00:40] <justin420> so i am permanently banned then?
[00:41] <LjL> justin420, any ban can technically be removed at any time
[00:41] <PriceChild> justin420, In future I would suggest reading the immediate scrollback. It was explained what had just happened, and requested that users ignore it.
[00:42] <PriceChild> justin420, I would also suggest you "/msg ubotu guidelines", and don't tell other users to "shut up"
[00:42] <justin420> LjL:i understand that. i had a buddie who was an op in a dalnet; he kinda tought me a little bit about op stuff.
[00:42] <PriceChild> Didn't I just ban Phision? ikonia am I going mad?
[00:42] <LjL> justin420, uhm, this is not dalnet though... and while i don't know dalnet very well, i can make a guess and suggest that we might be a little less, uhm, anarchic
[00:42] <PriceChild> *Phusion
[00:43] <ikonia> PriceChild: I thought you dead
[00:43] <ikonia> PriceChild: I thanked too early by the looks of things
[00:43] <justin420> PriceChild: sorry, i didnt see that, but if I am allowed back in i will be sure to keep that in mind.
[00:43] <ikonia> PriceChild: must have been a kick only or an ip evade
[00:43] <ikonia> hmmm whowas suggests and ip change
[00:43] <LjL> evade
[00:44] <PriceChild> ikonia, previous hostname had "static" in it...
[00:44] <PriceChild> this was on purpose
[00:44] <justin420> LjL: i know this is not dalnet; i was just trying to make a comparison to removing a ban at anytime thing. :)
[00:44] <ikonia> agreed
[00:45] <ikonia> PriceChild: spot on, it's an evade
[00:45] <LjL> justin420, however, even considering you hadn't noticed the scrollback (can happen), do you think it's reasonable to complain that ops should do their job better, when they're doing it all for free and were in reality struggling with get those spammers out of the channel?
[00:45] <LjL> are you so surprised at my reaction of politely telling you to avoid commenting?
[00:46] <PriceChild> LjL, Phusion is back again.. :/
[00:46] <ikonia> he's change ip again
[00:46] <ikonia> he's got a script
[00:46] <ikonia> changes his host
[00:46] <LjL> PriceChild: don't ban
[00:46] <Tm_T> who?
[00:46] <PriceChild> LjL, indeed
[00:46] <PriceChild> LjL, staff?
[00:47] <ikonia> totally different network host now
[00:47] <LjL> PriceChild: they can't do anymore than network-wide banning
[00:47] <LjL> he's on shells
[00:47] <PriceChild> So what do we do?
[00:47] <LjL> PriceChild: wait
[00:48] <PriceChild> :)
[00:48] <justin420> i think its nice that all the ops do what they do, i wouldnt mind being one someday; but that will probably never happen. i also enjoyed helping others in that channel when i could contribute.
[00:48] <PriceChild> justin420, did you read the irc guidelines? (i provided an ubotu trigger earlier)
[00:49] <LjL> further read even
[00:49] <LjL> !etiquette
[00:49] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense...
[00:49] <justin420> PriceChild: yup
[00:50] <LjL> justin420: now, this is not said anywhere in the guidelines
[00:50] <LjL> but please
[00:50] <LjL> when someone is trolling hard or spamming, call !ops on the bot (use that ONLY in emergencies)
[00:50] <LjL> and avoid any other comment about it
[00:50] <LjL> that's just helping the troll
[00:50] <justin420> LjL: dont be an ass to others? :) especially when they got bigger fish to fry?
[00:51] <LjL> justin420, that's not the point
[00:51] <LjL> the point is that what trolls and spammers want is to pollute the channel by *making people talk about them*
[00:51] <justin420> so like !ops <nick>
[00:51] <LjL> more like !ops | nick due to syntactical reasons
[00:51] <LjL> but yes
[00:52] <LjL> justin420: you see, we're pretty eager to keep the channel free from trolls and such entities. but the users need to help, not only by warning us of trolls, but most importantly *by not playing their game*
[00:53] <justin420> LjL: yeah; keeping a good channel is a strong quality of your product/ethics/community
[00:53] <LjL> also, between you and me, calling me a little bitch doesn't help. i'll unban you now, don't be surprised though if you're kept under a closer watch than other users. please go nice by the rules, and you won't get any further annoyances. ok justin420?
[00:54] <justin420> yup
[00:54] <justin420> thanks LjL
[00:54] <justin420> :)
[00:55] <PriceChild> Great.
[00:55] <LjL> shame too late for phusion
[00:55] <LjL> he'll have a little surprise next time he joins though
[00:56] <Tm_T> LjL: that is?
[00:56] <Tm_T> aaaa :))
[00:57] <ikonia> he's trying hard
[00:57] <ikonia> bless him
[00:57] <PriceChild> LjL, I would assume he is watching under a different shell.
[00:57] <Tm_T> sure
[00:57] <ikonia> is timbooooo him
[00:57] <Tm_T> ikonia: ?
[00:57] <PriceChild> I love the way they always try and keep the same nick.
[00:57] <LjL> PriceChild: then if he's not a stupid troll he'll still join here and try to talk us into compromising.
[00:57] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Does the IRC Council have / want any jurisdiction over LoCo channels?
[00:57] <ikonia> Tm_T: the user timbooo
[00:57] <Tm_T> ikonia: aah, interesting
[00:57] <LjL> aaaagh
[00:58] <LjL> banlist is full
[00:58] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, we have juristiction over loco channels
[00:58] <ikonia> I think it is
[00:58] <PriceChild> however you say it
[00:58] <ikonia> username goatsex
[00:58] <LjL> ok i'll remove freenode.net's set ban that looks like non-static, as usual *sigh*
[00:58] <ikonia> heads up on  Timbooooo
[00:58] <ikonia> (thats the correct ammount of ooo's"
[00:58] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Is it recommended to add the council's nick to the access list, like for freenode/staff/*?
[00:58] <Tm_T> ikonia: the one I removed?
[00:59] <ikonia> you got him
[00:59] <tonyyarusso> %login
[00:59] <ikonia> wow - this guy wants back in bad
[00:59] <ubotu> OK
[00:59] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[00:59] <LjL> tonyyarusso: it is "suggested"
[00:59] <Tm_T> ikonia: who?
[00:59] <tonyyarusso> and what is that nick again?  /me forgot
[01:00] <LjL> ubuntuirccouncil
[01:00] <ikonia> phusion
[01:00] <ikonia> @tm_t
[01:00] <Tm_T> ikonia: okie
[01:00] <LjL> ikonia: wait, i banned a live one?
[01:00] <ikonia> heads up on jughead
[01:00] <ikonia> LjL: I don't think so
[01:00] <ikonia> LjL: could be wrong
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> ok
[01:03] <somerville32> Might want to check out #ubuntu-server
[01:03] <Tm_T> somerville32: yes?
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:46] * kgoetz gives up.
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:46] <fujin_> thank fuck for that
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:46] <kgoetz> !tell fujin_ about coc
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:46] <fujin_> !tell kgoetz i don't give a fuck
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:46] <fujin_> oh snap
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:46] <fujin_> !tell kgoetz about man
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:46] <kgoetz> your in ubuntu chanel here, not debian...
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:47] <kgoetz> *an ubuntu
[01:04] <somerville32> [20:48] <fujin_> regardless of where I am, I believe 'rtfm' explains what I was trying to achieve.
[01:04] <ikonia> they are all in tonight
[01:04]  * LjL doesn't have access
[01:04] <PriceChild> LjL, there's a little more space
[01:10]  * tonyyarusso cleaned his as well
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I only have one ban still active in there - how many are you keeping around?
[01:11] <PriceChild> hmmm I have a lot of bans there
[01:12] <ikonia> PriceChild: I lost count of yours
[01:13] <LjL> tonyyarusso, i generally keep a one-month window
[01:14] <LjL> but the bulk of the bans is attributed to freenode.net
[01:14] <LjL> i cleaned my part of that recently with the help of the bantracker... was kinda painful
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> Those are netsplit-related, no?
[01:14] <PriceChild> yup
[01:14] <PriceChild> depends what server you're on as to which show up
[01:15] <LjL> i think they're server death related rather
[01:15] <LjL> i don't think a simple netsplit causes that
[01:16] <PriceChild> That would make more sense I guess.
[01:20] <PriceChild> somerville32, -server contact is online.
[01:26] <LjL> ikonia: i do have "away" on highlight.
[01:26] <ikonia> no doubt
[01:28]  * PriceChild usually just removes them
[01:28] <ikonia> ugh, I'm getting scrappy, good night
[01:44] <Tm_T> ubotu is sluggish
[01:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is sluggish - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:45] <Tm_T> erm
[01:54] <atoponce> heh
[02:13] <var> what's the deal with the ban?
[02:14] <var> i guess i swore, but just an autoban without even a warning?
[02:16] <LjL> caught in the act.
[02:16] <LjL> how are you phusion
[02:17] <te> looks like my shell host is banned in #ubuntu, could someone please clear up the ban to be user-specific instead of host-wide
[02:17] <var> phusion?
[02:17] <var> i know a phusion on another server
[02:17] <LjL> gateways are not allowed in #ubuntu, sorry
[02:18] <var> that sucks :\
[02:18] <Tm_T> how?
[02:18] <var> but um, can i get an unban in ubuntu please
[02:19] <Tm_T> var: if you ask from me, not yet
[02:19] <LjL> if you ask from me, not ever
[02:19] <LjL> and same goes for te
[02:19] <var> why not?
[02:19] <LjL> because you *are* te.
[02:19] <var> dude look at why im banned, i swore one time
[02:20] <var> im not flooding the channel or spamming or something
[02:20] <Tm_T> :p
[02:20] <ardchoille> I remember that host from somewhere and it isn't a good memory
[02:20] <ardchoille> @blinkenshell.org
[02:21] <mneptok> tons of clients from that host this past year
[02:22] <ardchoille> Now I remember, they give out free shell accounts (irssi enabled) to anyone who asks
[02:23] <LjL> [03:22:42] <te> ljl just remove the ban on blinkenshell, it has a userbase of like 10 people, and that's fine if you wanna keep the ban on silenceisdefeat
[02:23] <LjL> [03:22:49] <te> i wasn't aware of the gateway rule
[02:23] <LjL> [03:23:08] <LjL> i'll turn them both into forwards to #ubuntu-proxy-users, as with other proxies
[02:23] <Tm_T> that's reason to ban it per se
[02:23] <Tm_T> yuh
[02:23]  * Hobbsee waves
[02:24] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hi :)
[02:24]  * somerville32 hugs Hobbsee 
[02:24] <Hobbsee> heya somerville32
[02:24]  * mneptok deflates Hobbsee 
[02:25]  * Hobbsee carves mneptok into a thousand pieces
[02:25] <mneptok> i'm bite-sized!
[02:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, but i doubt people will eat you...
[02:25] <LjL> chanserv... come on now, what's going on with you and this network tonight
[02:26] <Pici> Oh no 3 ljls
[02:26] <LjL> Pici: network's laggy as hell
[02:28] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: how are you?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: good!  new car is nice!
[02:31] <Tm_T> heh
[02:31] <Tm_T> cruisin' ?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:31] <Tm_T> :)
[02:32] <Tm_T> I might buy a car when I get my retirement
[02:32] <Hobbsee> mine got hailed.
[02:34] <Tm_T> never had a car
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: identical or different car entirely?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: different entirely
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> fun
[02:37] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: see http://photos.hobbsee.mailbolt.com/Car/ (p/w is sarah)
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Join the club!  (My family has four red cars.)
[02:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: now whole world knows your password ;(
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yeah, logs occasionally get grepped by google
[02:45] <Tm_T> yu
[02:45]  * Hobbsee would just prefer all the images do not get linked by google
[02:45] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: that's an orange car.  the other 2 are red.
[02:48] <atlfalcons866> so now my ubuntuforums account is ban
[02:48] <atlfalcons866> ed
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> atlfalcons866: That would be an issue for the Ubuntu Forums moderators, not us.
[02:49] <atlfalcons866> yeah
[02:49] <atlfalcons866> i still dont why i am banned from ubuntu irc
[02:49] <atlfalcons866> for sumthing i didnt do
[02:50] <LjL> suppose the reason you were banned from the forums was also something you didn't do?
[02:50] <atlfalcons866> i didnt do
[02:51] <atlfalcons866> just cause my name was identical to skyfalcon and on the same ip
[02:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Your brother  on the same account did it right?
[02:51] <Tm_T> Jack_Sparrow: no, dog ate his homework
[02:51] <LjL> and incidentally, the offending user was also made of the same atoms as you
[02:51] <LjL> but it wasn't you
[02:52] <Jack_Sparrow> :)   Gosh I wish I could sleep
[02:52] <mneptok> 21:51 <@mneptok> regurg, excuse
[02:52] <mneptok> 21:51 < regurg> mneptok: nesting roaches shorted out the ether cable
[02:52] <mneptok> i have more, if anyone needs them
[02:52] <Tm_T> mneptok: msg all of them to me :)
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: I'd love that list too.... :P
[02:53] <mneptok> should be in infobot's source
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> ah
[02:55] <atlfalcons866> so im banned forever
[02:55] <mneptok> http://www.koders.com/perl/fid9847D112CB7DD64C7018C00617F5CA781DB409F4.aspx
[02:55] <atlfalcons866> for sumthing i didnt do
[02:56] <LjL> atlfalcons866, you're banned until your ban is lifted. and it *is* something you did do - if nothing else, the fact that you didn't care to secure your computer properly
[02:56] <LjL> certainly not our faults if you let trolls use your computer
[02:57] <atlfalcons866> i dont
[02:57] <atlfalcons866> i have 3 computers on my network
[02:57] <tonyyarusso> Then you should secure your network.
[02:57] <atlfalcons866> wired?
[02:57] <atlfalcons866> thats what i do
[02:58] <tonyyarusso> Don't let idiots online.  If you can't control your network, you'll have to deal with the consequences.
[02:58] <Tm_T> it's like "don't give guns to kids"
[02:58] <atlfalcons866> what the hell is CTCP Version
[02:59] <LjL> atlfalcons866, off the record, you and i know perfectly well that you're lying through your nose. so, i suggest you don't waste your time and leave this channel
[02:59] <atlfalcons866> Im not lying
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> What are the usernames of the other two people on your network?
[03:00] <atlfalcons866> y
[03:00] <Tm_T> lying or not, I believe LjL has made his/our view clear
[03:01] <atlfalcons866> whats * Received a CTCP VERSION from Hobbsee mean
[03:01] <Tm_T> atlfalcons866: Hobbsee did poke your IRC client to what version it is
[03:01] <tonyyarusso> Standard IRC communications stuff - you can look them up if you wish.
[03:04] <atlfalcons866> why did you want to know my other names
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> We already know _your_ other names.  Just thought I'd give you a chance to claim it was someone else.
[03:05] <atlfalcons866> what are they then
[03:05] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: please stop. there's a rope shortage. ;)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> atlfalcons866: how old are you?
[03:05] <atlfalcons866> 17
[03:06] <atlfalcons866> y
[03:06] <Hobbsee> wow.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> would have put you as much younger than that.
[03:07] <LjL> however people, i'm going to bed now, and i'd find it unfair towards myself to let you have all the fun while i'm not around
[03:07] <LjL> so
[03:07] <mneptok> atlfalcons866: if you live at home, that sorta shortens the list as to what "other people" could have been abusive in #ubuntu and got you banned. i suggest you go talk to them.
[03:08] <mneptok> LjL: "u know y" please
[03:08] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: u no y
[03:08] <LjL> mneptok: as tony said
[03:08] <mneptok> no, U no Y!
[03:08] <LjL> u n0 y
[03:09] <mneptok> Jew knows guy.
[03:09] <mneptok> Jew marries guy.
[03:09] <mneptok> Happily erver after, etc.
[03:09] <no0tic> lol
[03:12] <nano__> Hello, I received a "ban" in #ubuntu-offtopic for stating my displeasure concerning one of the rules, I'd like to respectfully appeal this decision. thank you for your time.
[03:14] <LjL> nano__, i hope neither you nor my fellow operators will be too saddened if i report the exact way you stated such displeasure
[03:14] <LjL> 2007-12-17T23:00:34 <nano__> FUCK YOUR GODDAMN LANGUAGE RULES, YOU FUCKING STUPID CUNT
[03:14] <LjL> that's just to say, nano__, that you should come here again and ask for your ban to be reviewed in, well, i'd say roughly a month
[03:15] <mneptok> nano__: et tu es Quebecois? quelle dommage.
[03:15] <LjL> hope that helped, have a good day
[03:15]  * mneptok is ashamed
[03:15] <LjL> mneptok: well you should be even without him
[03:15] <mneptok> LjL: yes, but i don't need *more* reasons.
[03:15] <LjL> understandable
[03:16] <nano__> mneptok: je fais ma part dans cette guerre contre l'opression
[03:16] <mneptok> LjL: right now there's a very self-satisfied neo-Nazi out there because i'm hoarding the sense of self-loathing.
[03:16] <LjL> nano__, quelle guerre de fous
[03:16] <Hobbsee> LjL: give kb3llm the spiel about the previous guy, please
[03:16] <Tm_T> mneptok: ?
[03:16] <mneptok> nano__: et nous itou.
[03:16] <LjL> Hobbsee: come again?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> LjL: about why atlfalcons866 got banned
[03:17] <Hobbsee> LjL: he's from #freenode
[03:17] <kb3llm> Hobbsee: i'm not a staffer or anything
[03:17] <kb3llm> i just hang out in there a lot
[03:17] <LjL> Hobbsee: that would be about falcon?
[03:17] <kb3llm> and I'm not voiced so you cant see this
[03:17] <Hobbsee> LjL: yes
[03:17] <nano__> LjL well I was a little hot-tempered. thanks for considering it
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kb3llm: yes we can, it's not +m
[03:18] <kb3llm> oh..
[03:18] <kb3llm> heh
[03:18] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:18]  * kb3llm feels dumb
[03:18] <mneptok> kb3llm: you feel sorta warm and squishy to me ...
[03:18] <Tm_T> muhahah
[03:18] <kb3llm> umm?
[03:19]  * kb3llm runs  FAST
[03:19] <Tm_T> LjL:
[03:19] <mneptok> *muah*
[03:19] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:19] <LjL> kb3llm: skyfalcon866 was banned because of calling !ops (our emergency trigger) in several channels (#ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #kubuntu) after being repeatedly told to stop, as well as other minor misbehaviors. atlfalcons866 claims to not be the same person; however, the IP is the same, the name is strikingly similar, and if i look at my old logs, i see that months ago both had "jack" as ident
[03:19]  * Hobbsee throws mneptok a live squirrel for him to chew on
[03:19] <Tm_T> LjL: 0503.46 atlfalcons866 [n=atlfalco@c-24-218-246-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] requested CTCP VERSION from Tm_T:
[03:19] <Tm_T> LjL: have any idea what reply does he had? ;)
[03:20] <LjL> Tm_T: yes
[03:20] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:20] <no0tic> Tm_T, what reply? :)
[03:20] <Tm_T> that'll give him something to chew
[03:20] <kb3llm> just curious what exactly does !ops do?  send a message to here? private message the ops?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> message in teh channel, highlighting all the ops
[03:20] <Hobbsee> kb3llm: see /msg ubotu ops
[03:20] <kb3llm> this chan, or the one its sent in?
[03:21] <LjL> Hobbsee: both
[03:21] <LjL> kb3llm: both
[03:21] <Tm_T> no0tic: yeh
[03:21] <kb3llm> k
[03:21] <kb3llm> interesting
[03:21] <Hobbsee> kb3llm: ie, not to be abused, as we have other crap to do, and only want to be called in emergencies
[03:22] <Hobbsee> [14:21] <atlfalcons866> well it dosent matter cuz im done with ubuntu so hobsee you run along and tell your little ubuntu ops that i dont use ubuntu anymore
[03:22] <Hobbsee> [14:22] <Hobbsee> even better.  bye then.
[03:22] <Tm_T> :(
[03:22] <LjL> Hobbsee, he said the very same thing last time he came here
[03:22] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: that's not funny
[03:22] <kb3llm> heh - his loss
[03:22] <LjL> kb3llm: (and it *does* state that it should only be used in emergencies, so you can't not know, at least the second time you use it)
[03:22] <Tm_T> kb3llm: trolls always wins ;(
[03:23] <kb3llm> I prefer debian, but I do like ubuntu.. I know it's based on Debian...   even though I use Debian more I would hate being banned from a ubuntu channel.. lol
[03:24] <Tm_T> kb3llm: I would hate being banned anywhere, no matter like channel or not
[03:24] <ubotu> Snuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu (blahblahx)
[03:24] <Tm_T> because it is usually indication that you have been misbehaving
[03:24] <kb3llm> .......
[03:26] <ardchoille> True
[03:27] <Tm_T> 0523.24 < blahblahx> wastrel: yo momma doesnt need another box with a power cable and a serial connecter. OHHHHH
[03:27] <Tm_T> nixternal: Hobbsee: that one
[03:27] <nixternal> ya, whoopy :)
[03:27] <nixternal> just beein' a wiseguy
[03:27] <kb3llm> I'm banned in one channel right now --  i guess it was kind of my fault...  pretty much one person convinced the next to hate me, and soon the whole chan hated me, and then I got banned.
[03:27] <Tm_T> yup
[03:27] <nixternal> he hasn't said anything else
[03:28] <Tm_T> nixternal: yup, and gone, nothing to worry about
[03:29] <nixternal> has floodbot been working out pretty well? I haven't noticed
[03:29] <kb3llm> whats floodbot do, ban people that flood?
[03:30] <kb3llm> that it?
[03:30] <Tm_T> mostly try to catch joinfloods
[03:30] <Tm_T> as, spammers join in numbers, spam, then out
[03:32] <mneptok> oo!
[03:32] <Tm_T> mneptok: what oo?
[03:33] <mneptok> maybe *falcon* will leave Ubuntu for OpenBSD!
[03:33] <mneptok> then he can go and play "Test Their Patience!" (tm) with Theo.
[03:33] <mneptok> which i will PAY to watch.
[03:33] <Tm_T> mneptok: I was so thinking of that Theo =)
[03:33] <kb3llm> so why are some people in here +v even thought the chan is -m  ?    the +v's ubuntu ops?
[03:33] <Tm_T> yes
[03:33] <mneptok> kb3llm: aye
[03:34] <kb3llm> ah, k
[03:34] <Tm_T> op in some ubuntu channels AND members of ubuntu-ops team
[03:34] <no0tic> Tm_T, I'd say OR :)
[03:35] <Tm_T> no0tic: actually latter should be "atleast"
[03:35] <Tm_T> exception in old farts
[03:35] <Tm_T> or do I remember all wrong?
[03:36]  * mneptok releases a magnificent, splintering horrorfart
[03:36] <mneptok> daintily, of course.
[03:36] <Tm_T> ok
[03:37] <no0tic> mneptok, well done
[03:37] <Tm_T> kids...
[03:38] <kb3llm> adults...
[03:38] <kb3llm> :P
[03:38] <mneptok> Tm_T: quiet, youngster.
[03:38] <Tm_T> youngster?
[03:38] <Jack_Sparrow> ck out co_cakep    <co_cakep> #semarang
[03:38] <mneptok> compared to me, probably.
[03:38] <Jack_Sparrow> 54 here
[03:39] <mneptok> Jack_Sparrow: i think that's a failed /join
[03:39] <Tm_T> mneptok: hmm?
[03:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Started out programming for Commodore in '79  assy 6502
[03:39] <mneptok> Jack_Sparrow: yeah, i take comfort in your presence. makes me feel young(er). :)
[03:39] <Jack_Sparrow> :)  and with that.. goodnight
[03:40] <mneptok> WDC represent!
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Take care people..
[03:41] <Tm_T> mneptok: I'm older than anyone in IRC world
[03:41] <Tm_T> :(
[03:41] <mneptok> Tm_T: Jack is 54, i'm 42.
[03:41] <Tm_T> kids...
[03:42] <mneptok> Tm_T: if you're older than me, you just volunteered for diaper duty.
[03:42] <ardchoille> I'm 44
[03:42] <Tm_T> mneptok: where do I sign up?
[03:42]  * mneptok shifts uncomfortably in his chair.
[03:42] <kb3llm> I'm 15 - younger than all of you.
[03:42]  * kb3llm notices a silence
[03:42] <Tm_T> kb3llm: there's no silence
[03:43] <Tm_T> we are just old and slow
[03:43] <kb3llm> Tm_T: lol
[03:43] <mneptok> kb3llm: we're grep-ing logs for anything the cops could use against us when you claim abuse.
[03:43] <ardchoille> lol
[03:43] <no0tic> lol
[03:43] <kb3llm> mneptok: heh - nah.. I wouldn't report you guys...
[03:43] <Tm_T> mneptok: when you find someone with three number age, ping me ;/
[03:43] <mneptok> s/golden rod of Protean fury/wee-wee/
[03:44] <mneptok> sorry, wrong window
[03:44]  * mneptok fixes the log
[03:44] <kb3llm> you guys are doing a nice thing for the ubuntu community....  why woud I report you?
[03:44] <mneptok> kb3llm: http://people.ubuntu/com/~mneptok/mnepolo.png
[03:44] <mneptok> that's why?
[03:45] <kb3llm> hah!!!
[03:45] <mneptok> rather, http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok/mnepolo.png
[03:45] <Tm_T> mneptok: mmm, you're skinny
[03:45] <ardchoille> s|ubuntu/|ubuntu.|
[03:45] <mneptok> Tm_T: that's ~12 years ago
[03:45] <no0tic> mneptok, 0.0
[03:46] <Tm_T> mneptok: still, I weight less then 50 kg and still I'm wider than you
[03:46]  * kb3llm no comment
[03:46] <Tm_T> mneptok: mostly we have different type of skeleton that is :)
[03:46] <kb3llm> so am I officially the youngest person in here?
[03:47] <Tm_T> kb3llm: unofficially atm
[03:47] <kb3llm> Tm_T: ?
[03:47] <no0tic> 24 here
[03:47] <kb3llm> no0tic: still older than me by 9 years
[03:47] <kb3llm> lol
[03:47] <Pici> 24 here too
[03:48]  * Hobbsee is 19, she thinks.
[03:48] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: young and wild, car and all
[03:48]  * mneptok saws off Hobbsee's leg and counts the rings
[03:49]  * Tm_T hides
[03:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:49] <Hobbsee> can i have my leg back please?
[03:50] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:51] <mneptok> Hobbsee: the rings say you're 19. they also say you have termites and Dutch elm disease.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> brilliant!
[03:51] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i *told* you not to have unprotected pollenation with unfamiliar saplings!
[03:52] <no0tic> mneptok, probably you should double the number of rings you counted, she has two legs
[03:52]  * no0tic runs away
[03:52] <mneptok> no0tic: not any more.
[03:52] <no0tic> well, she had
[03:54] <ardchoille> You lot rock!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> mneptok: oh.  was that the mistake.
[03:56] <Tm_T> mrh
[03:57] <Tm_T> I'm bored
[03:57] <Tm_T> so I added few pics to my launchpad account
[03:57] <somerville32> link?
[03:58] <no0tic> ~tmt
[03:58] <ubot3> Factoid tmt not found
[04:03] <ardchoille> How long must I be an ope in #kubuntu and an Ubuntu member to be approved for this team https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc ? Is there a time consideration?
[04:04] <Pici> Is that a misspelling of op or ape?
[04:05] <ardchoille> It's a misspelling of oper
[04:05] <Pici> oh.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> good question
[04:15] <Pici> I would think its whenever the council feels like it.  But thats not really a good answer.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> after they've seen a bunch of your op work, for a start.
[04:17] <ardchoille> I'll wait a few months and try joining the ubuntu-irc team then
[05:31] <Pici> I'm heading off to bed.  fyi, unagi is in -offtopic (history of kicks/bans in #ubuntu) I had to throw a !stop in there after this little comment regarding the !women factoid:
[05:31] <Pici> 00:21:49 <unagi> ubuntu-women? is taht like a dating channel for women that like ubuntu?
[05:31] <Pici> 00:21:51 <unagi> cuz thats hot
[05:31]  * Pici hits the hay (or something)
[05:33]  * nalioth hopes it's clean hay
[05:45] <Myrtti> /me cries
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hm?
[05:45] <Tm_T> you too?
[05:46]  * Tm_T haven't stop crying since a hour or so ago
[05:46] <Myrtti> WHEN shall my people be set free from idiots like unagi
[05:46] <Myrtti> ;-)
[05:46] <Tm_T> oh, I have totally different issue
[05:46] <Hobbsee> ah, drat, i missed it.  connection timed out, and i didn't rejoin ubuntu
[05:47] <Tm_T> Myrtti: my home is invaded, ruined
[05:48] <Myrtti> :-o
[05:49] <no0tic> Hobbsee, did you change the "connection time out" message? If so how? :)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> no0tic: unsure what it was.  the network cable got pulled out
[05:49] <Myrtti> at least you have a home, Tm_T
[05:50] <Tm_T> Myrtti: http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/24h/id77814.html
[05:59] <no0tic> is flash issue solved?
[06:00] <Tm_T> what issue exactly?
[06:00] <no0tic> md5sum afaik
[06:00] <no0tic> I heard something about that
[06:01] <Tm_T> okie, haven't seen that one
[06:01] <ardchoille> Couple of users in #kubuntu reported that too
[06:01] <Myrtti> last I heard it was in -proposed
[06:01] <no0tic> Myrtti, what's -proposed?
[06:02] <Myrtti> it was waiting to get to main or whatever
[06:02] <no0tic> thanks
[06:02] <Myrtti> but ikonia would know better
[06:02] <Hobbsee> no0tic: the testing repo
[06:11] <ubotu> MasterShrek called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[06:33] <ubotu> no0tic called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[06:33] <no0tic> d|v pasting
[08:07] <Tm_T> paul OM!
[08:08]  * jussi01 pokes Tm_T... good morning
[08:08] <Tm_T> good day
[08:08] <Tm_T> and you just stole a factoid from me ;)
[08:09] <jussi01> hehe...
[08:10] <jussi01> and you just made me laugh - which is something I havent done since my grandma died on the weekend. Thanks!
[08:10] <ompaul> I stole a factoid?
[08:11] <jussi01> no... me
[08:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: :))
[08:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: laugh is good :)
[08:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: and if it doesn't feel like it right now, death is part of living
[08:11] <ompaul> jussi01, ok, so do I declare you guilty or not then ;-)
[08:11]  * jussi01 runs... Its Gary...
[08:12] <jussi01> Tm_T: yeps :)
[08:12] <Gary> meh :-D
[08:12] <ompaul> jussi01, could be worse, could be gary barlow :)
[08:12]  * ompaul grins
[08:12]  * jussi01 has no idea who that is...but meh, whatever
[08:12] <Gary> why was that cute guy in take that?
[08:12] <ompaul> hehehe
[08:12] <Gary> s/why/who
[08:13] <ompaul> Gary, it is a little early in the morning to remember anything
[08:13] <Gary> argh my typing skillz first thing in morning are naff
[08:13] <ompaul> I am lucky I remember where the computer is
[08:13] <Gary> I'm off to site to play builder this morning, yay
[08:13] <Tm_T> jussi01: FYI I have been digging graves, family and other people I known
[08:13]  * ompaul sshs into the office
[08:14] <Tm_T> hardest is to make less than meter long holes
[08:14] <jussi01> Tm_T: yeah
[08:14] <Gary> Tm_T, pardon?  seriously? :'(
[08:15] <Tm_T> Gary: no, I'm kidding with death of children, sure ;)
[08:15] <Gary> Tm_T, what happened?
[08:16] <Tm_T> brothers family have bad curse related to babies it seems
[08:16] <Gary> :'(
[08:16] <Tm_T> atleast all three (four?) does fit to same place, cheaper
[08:17] <Gary> my boyfriends nan is 102 next month
[08:17] <Tm_T> I'm 112 years old
[08:17] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, you dont look a day over 111
[08:17] <elkbuntu> you must be a hobbit
[08:17] <Tm_T> hobbit or hobb-see?
[08:17] <Gary> Tm_T, blimey, life has treated you really bad, you look 120
[08:17] <elkbuntu> LOL
[08:17] <elkbuntu> pwned
[08:17] <Tm_T> Gary: thanks <3
[08:18] <Tm_T> seriously said, I'm not too old yet and already waiting my retirement days =)
[08:18] <Gary> so are we
[08:18] <jussi01> Tm_T: I thought I told you before - dont lie about your age, you are 137!!
[08:18] <Gary> no no no, he just looks 137
[08:24] <jussi01> ardchoille: go to bed... seriously... you are on here waayyy to much... :P
[08:24] <ardchoille> No such thing as way too much :)
[08:28] <Gary> hi ho hi ho, it's off to work we go, see ya's later, I'm off working (yes, really WORKING, OMG!!!11)
[08:33] <ardchoille> I'm learning some pretty slick stuff: packaging and writing apps in pyqt
[08:34] <ompaul> Gary,
[08:34] <ompaul> don't forget your shovel if you want to go to work!
[08:51] <elkbuntu> unagi is back and talking, crap
[08:51] <Myrtti> seems like so
[08:52] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (slinky-)
[09:22] <ubotu> MasterShrek called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[09:22] <ubotu> kane77 called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[09:24] <ompaul> elkbuntu, he klined now
[09:24] <elkbuntu> ompaul, i still dont want anyone with a username 'shit' in the channel
[09:25] <ompaul> concur
[09:25] <ompaul> just tellin ya he did debian and poof off the face of the earth
[09:25] <elkbuntu> heh
[10:21] <ubotu> In ubotu, jussi01 said: !rt is <reply> The RT kernel is the Ubuntu kernel with a realtime preemption patch applied. It is included in Ubuntu Studio by default. For more information please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime/Gutsy
[10:25]  * jussi01 pokes Tm_T
[10:25] <Tm_T> yes?
[10:26] <jussi01> Tm_T: could you add that factoid for me?
[10:26] <jussi01> please :)
[10:26] <Tm_T> hmm, sure
[10:26] <Tm_T> ubotu: rt is <reply> The RT kernel is the Ubuntu kernel with a realtime preemption patch applied. It is included in Ubuntu Studio by default. For more information please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime/Gutsy
[10:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Tm_T
[10:27] <Tm_T> jussi01: you're welcome :)
[10:27] <jussi01> Tm_T: thanks a lot!
[10:27] <Tm_T> jussi01: sorry I was about to do it anyway, but caught up reading that wikipage =)
[10:27] <jussi01> hehe :D
[10:28] <Tm_T> jussi01: how much you deal with sound systems?
[10:30] <jussi01> Tm_T: I am a memeber of the ubuntu studio dev team, however I am not an expert on sound. but try me - if I dont know I can probably find out.
[10:30] <Tm_T> jussi01: I need app/daemon to play system notifications
[10:30] <Tm_T> alsa as directly as possible
[10:30] <Tm_T> I use aplay atm but it's sluggish at times
[10:31] <jussi01> Tm_T: hmmm, not so sure about that. what we are more about is music production. sorry. :(
[10:32] <Tm_T> I know
[10:32] <Tm_T> just had a thought :)
[10:32] <Tm_T> alsaplayer -l 0.9 -i text -q $*
[10:32] <Tm_T> that's actually is my current :p
[12:16] <jussi01> Is there something built into the bot which tells how many time a factoid has been called in a given period of time? if so, how would/could we access the info?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ther eused to be
[12:17] <Pici> Theres something in there to prevent one command from being spammed.  And theres a count of how many times the factoid has been called on the factoid site...
[12:18] <jussi01> Pici: ahh, great, thats what i was looking for.
[12:18] <jussi01> :)
[12:23] <Tm_T> jussi01: http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=popularity%20DESC&page=0
[13:08] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[13:09] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yay!
[13:09] <Pici> !back
[13:09] <ubotu> Hurray, I've rejoined the channel.  Too many bugs :)
[13:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[13:09] <Pici> I saw that when looking for something else and knew it had to be Hobbsee that added it.
[13:10]  * Hobbsee didn't add it
[13:10] <Pici> !-back
[13:10] <ubotu> back has no aliases - added by Hobbsee on 2007-10-19 18:48:39
[13:10]  * Pici shrugs
[13:10] <Hobbsee> erm, okay, i did then.
[13:10] <Tm_T> hahaha
[13:10]  * Hobbsee doesn't *remember* adding that.
[13:10] <Pici> Sounds like something you would say.
[13:12] <jussi01> hehehe, thats a great factoid :D
[13:30] <no0tic> wow, freenode recruits new staffers
[13:32] <Tm_T> where?
[13:33] <Tm_T> no0tic: yes?
[13:34] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: freenode blog
[13:34] <Tm_T> ah, thanks
[13:34] <Tm_T> I'm interested to see how they recruit
[13:34] <Tm_T> not to be recruited myself, mind you :-P
[13:36] <Hobbsee> well, i wouldn't mind.  if people were klinable.
[13:38] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: would we ever see Gary again?
[13:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[13:38] <Hobbsee> good question :)
[13:41] <elkbuntu> and this is why she'll never be a staffer :Þ
[13:44] <Seeker`> :P
[13:45] <Hobbsee> well, that was known
[14:02] <Tm_T> Hobbsee_: jumpy?
[14:05] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: interesting, you're not again in #ubuntu-women
[14:05] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i don't tend to be
[14:06] <Hobbsee> not on my autojoin list
[14:06] <Tm_T> I see, good to know :)
[14:06]  * Tm_T doesn't need autojoin :))
[14:07] <Myrtti> with the amount of IRC frustration I've lately had, I have no autojoins either
[14:07]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti 
[14:08] <jussi01> Myrtti: how did your house application go?
[14:08] <Myrtti> bonked
[14:08] <Myrtti> going to see different ones tomorrow
[14:08] <Pici> Is that good or bad?
[14:08] <jussi01> that sucks
[14:09] <Pici> Okay, bed.
[14:09] <Pici> er, bad.
[14:49] <Pici> I switch to another screen tab and thats what happens... tsk.
[14:50] <LjL> Pici: hey, look at -offtopic
[14:51] <Pici> ...
[14:51] <Tm_T> LjL: please
[14:51] <Tm_T> really, take that outside of ubuntu channels, I really honestly ask it
[16:00] <Pici> nano__: Can we help you?
[16:01]  * Pici neverminds, has read log. 
[16:04] <Tm_T> 0512.41 < nano__> Hello, I received a "ban" in #ubuntu-offtopic for stating my displeasure concerning one of the rules, I'd like to respectfully appeal this decision. thank you for your time.
[16:04] <Tm_T> 0514.21 <+LjL> nano__, i hope neither you nor my fellow operators will be too saddened if i report the exact way you stated such displeasure
[16:04] <Tm_T> 0514.25 <+LjL> 2007-12-17T23:00:34 <nano__> FUCK YOUR GODDAMN LANGUAGE RULES, YOU FUCKING STUPID CUNT
[16:04] <Pici> Tm_T: I saw
[16:04] <Tm_T> 0514.56 <+LjL> that's just to say, nano__, that you should come here again and ask for your ban to be reviewed in, well, i'd say roughly a month
[16:04] <Tm_T> Pici: see that
[16:04] <Pici> Tm_T: see 11:01:00 * Pici neverminds, has read log.
[16:04] <Tm_T> yup
[16:05] <Tm_T> too late for me though :(
[16:05] <Tm_T> sorry
[16:05]  * Tm_T crawls back to his cave in the mountains, old hermit he/she is
[16:09] <Myrtti> groar
[16:09]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti 
[16:14] <LjL> well, i wonder if nano__ has any further questions he'd like to ask us
[16:14] <Tm_T> I too
[16:15] <Tm_T> it sorta didn't end ever
[16:16] <Myrtti> /me taps her fingers
[16:16] <Myrtti> nano__: we're waiting.
[16:16]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti 
[16:17] <Tm_T> tap your fingers at my back =)
[16:27] <jussi01> Tm_T: is your real name Rölli?
[16:28] <Tm_T> nope
[16:32] <Myrtti> /me crochets while waiting for proftpd to compile
[16:35] <Myrtti> hrmmm errors
[16:35] <Tm_T> ftp :(
[16:43] <PriceChild> hate it when boxes don't have the cd in... "but I want to play that!!!!!"
[16:43] <Tm_T> ?
[16:43] <Pici> ?
[16:44] <LjL> ?
[16:44] <Tm_T> PriceChild: can you elaborate? I failed to understand that
[16:44] <Pici> I am at a loss as well.
[16:44] <tonyyarusso> Pricey's lost it.  Move along.
[16:47] <jussi01> did he ever have it? :P
[17:05] <Sp4rKy> hi
[17:05] <LjL> hello Sp4rKy
[17:05] <Sp4rKy> i'm an op of #ubuntu-fr
[17:06] <Sp4rKy> there is a stuipid guy which uses many connections from same host to flood
[17:06] <Sp4rKy> we ban it from #u-fr, but is there a way to keep an eye over him on freenode ?
[17:07] <Sp4rKy> (it's not the first time he does that on #u-fr)
[17:07] <nalioth> does he use the same nick?
[17:07] <LjL> Sp4rKy, even the freenode folks couldn't do very much more than banning him every time he gets another host...
[17:07] <LjL> Sp4rKy: if he keeps the same nickname or ident or realname, you can try banning that, and see if he's smart enough to change it
[17:07] <Sp4rKy> nalioth: random nicks, and many host
[17:08] <LjL> Sp4rKy: was kiki it?
[17:08] <Sp4rKy> yes ...
[17:08] <Sp4rKy> we ban him from free host, ip reappears with noos, we ban him 10 minutes ago
[17:08] <LjL> Sp4rKy: have a deep breath and keep banning. there's hardly anything more than can be done about it :|
[17:09] <Sp4rKy> k :/
[17:09]  * Sp4rKy hopes we won't have to ban half of free & noos domains :p
[17:10] <LjL> Sp4rKy: also, why don't you join #ubuntu-irc and see if the guy's being a problem to other LoCo channels as well, in which case you could coordinate
[17:11] <Sp4rKy> it's an idea :)
[17:12] <nalioth> Sp4rKy: there are a lot of old bans in the ban list for #ubuntu-fr.
[17:12] <Sp4rKy> indeed
[17:23] <skarface> please test my router so I can join #ubuntu
[17:23] <Tm_T> hi kids
[17:23] <LjL> skarface: you're good
[17:23] <skarface> I know
[17:23] <skarface> ;)
[17:24] <skarface> thanks
[17:24] <Tm_T> smooth :)
[17:25] <Tm_T> just like I love it
[17:25] <Pici> Like a baby's bottom?
[17:25] <jussi01> hehe
[17:25] <Tm_T> Pici: yes
[17:33] <jussi01> hmmmm...
[18:47] <LjL> jesus i can't shut up when people say things like the difference between gnome and kde "is mostly cosmetic"... prepare to give me !ot
[18:49] <Jack_Sparrow> What response would you like to see?
[18:50] <LjL> just !ot | ljl if i don't stop after the last line
[18:50] <ardchoille> LjL: lol
[18:50] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[18:52] <Myrtti> LjL: if you promise to remove me if I appear to be having itchy fist for any "OMG she's hot" / "this is a dating channel" -comments?
[18:52] <LjL> Myrtti: can't promise that
[18:53] <Myrtti> damn
[18:55] <somerville32> All good things come to an end.
[18:56] <Myrtti> I'll have to part the channels myself then
[18:57] <LjL> Myrtti: or you could educate the people concerned
[18:57] <LjL> of course, /remove does count as education
[18:59] <Myrtti> the thing is, my education might too soon evolve to screeching, ranting, and trying to strangle people over ethernet
[18:59] <Myrtti> which isn't fun
[18:59] <Myrtti> gives a bad impression
[19:04] <LjL> Pici: i think j didn't understand that what i meant to tell him is that he *did* call, by saying "ops"...
[19:04] <Pici> LjL: I actually happened to be looking at the screen ;)
[19:05] <LjL> sigh ldl
[19:09] <Pici> ...
[19:10] <GazzaK> wooo, I'm still connected at work
[19:11] <Pici> LjL: same guy in +1 now...
[19:11] <LjL> hm
[19:11] <LjL> dunno perhaps give him a second chance in -ot
[19:12] <Gary> who is it?
[19:12] <Pici> frojnd.
[19:13] <LjL> good call
[19:14] <Pici> frojnd: We have many younger people and people who use Ubuntu with their families in these channels
[19:14] <Pici> As well as people ircing from work.  We really dont allow non-family friendly chatter and links to be posted, which is why you were removed.
[19:14] <frojnd> Pici, np... I agree with this
[19:15] <Pici> Okay, I'm willing to understand that you just weren't aware of these policies.
[19:15] <frojnd> the reason why I just blindly posted was becouse someone on #ubuntu chan gave me this when I asked for freenode ot
[19:15] <Pici> !etiquette
[19:15] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense...
[19:16] <LjL> heh i did, but you said "regular talk"... now that's now how we define regular talk :P
[19:16] <Pici> frojnd: I think that you should just familiarize yourself with those factoids before rejoining -offtopic.
[19:17] <frojnd> Pici, There is no need for me to join -offtopic..
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[19:17] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[19:17] <frojnd> now that I see why is the channel (-ubuntuoT) for..
[19:18] <Pici> frojnd: which one?
[19:19] <frojnd> #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:19] <Pici> Its for stuff not related to support issues, but still family friendly.
[19:19] <frojnd> Pici, it's disstracting for me that I'm tied up here
[19:19] <frojnd> Pici, do u know maybe for any bigger chans ?
[19:19] <frojnd> for OT ofcaourse
[19:20] <Pici> frojnd: #defocus is the only one on Freenode that I know of.
[19:20] <LjL> #defocus, but i don't know what their topic/language/etc policies are to be honest
[19:20] <Pici> Agreed, neither do I.
[19:20] <LjL> frojnd: do you happen to have Windows?
[19:22] <frojnd> LjL, yes when I was younger
[19:23] <LjL> frojnd: i mean right now
[19:23] <ardchoille> Sajes (JaVaC@84.76.134.233) spamming pics in #kubuntu but left, just FYI
[19:23] <LjL> you mean saras?
[19:23] <LjL> well same person
[19:23] <ardchoille> Oops, yes, sorry
[19:23] <frojnd> LjL, if I use windows ?
[19:23] <frojnd> LjL, at the moment
[19:23] <LjL> frojnd: if you currently have windows on some computer.
[19:23] <frojnd> LjL, oh...
[19:24] <frojnd> LjL, yes...
[19:24] <frojnd> 2
[19:24] <LjL> frojnd: anyway i was asking because i knew of a free (beer) music identifier program for windows (although i'm trying to recall the name, but can't)
[19:24] <frojnd> LjL, heh, no I don't know any kind of these programs :)
[19:25] <LjL> well but i do, i just can't remember the name, i thought you'd find it useful for what you asked earlier
[19:25] <ardchoille> LjL: So, even after they leave the chan it's good to ban?
[19:26] <LjL> ardchoille: i usually banforward to -ops, however when it's blatantly malicious, just banning is fine
[19:26] <frojnd> LjL, hm.. interesting
[19:26] <ardchoille> I'll have to remember that
[19:28] <LjL> frojnd: i have it, it's Tunatic, google it, first hit
[19:28] <LjL> it works with radio so it should work with a wmv i guess
[19:28] <frojnd> Thax LjL
[20:22] <jussi01> hmmm, how do I get more items out of the bot when there are too many too list?
[20:22] <LjL> jussi01: more
[20:22] <LjL> but that doesn't work with packages
[20:22] <LjL> if that's what you're after
[20:23] <jussi01> LjL: thats what i thought, but it errors out on me...
[20:23] <jussi01> Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
[20:23] <LjL> jussi01: is that in PM?
[20:24] <jussi01> LjL: yes
[20:24] <LjL> jussi01: what's the command, for starters?
[20:24] <jussi01> LjL: just for example  !find network
[20:24] <LjL> i said, it doesn't work with packages
[20:24] <LjL> there's just no way to do that
[20:24] <LjL> use packages.ubuntu.com
[20:24] <jussi01> oh
[20:25] <jussi01> sorry, missed that...
[20:25] <jussi01> amazing how the brain can just skip stuff like that.
[22:02] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: this seems to work too..  The workaround is to first go to synaptic, select the flashplugin-nonfree package and then mark it for *complete* removal.
[22:03] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: Then install the hardy flashplugin,  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10761023/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[22:03] <jrib> I see
[22:03] <jrib> I guess that's probably better so they get updates
[22:03] <LjL> if that works, do advise it to people who insist
[22:04] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: is that in a factoid or wiki page somewhere?
[22:04] <LjL> better they get a hardy package than install the tarball i'm sure
[22:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Nope, got it from in the channel yesterday
[22:05] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: It has worked for everyone that I know of..  but dont like giving it out ulness they are fanatic about having flash
[22:05] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: makes sense to add it on the wiki imo
[22:07] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: What about letting one more person verify it then post it...
[22:07] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: sure
[22:08]  * LjL doesn't volunteer
[22:11] <Myrtti> when will it be in main gutsy?
[22:11] <Myrtti> how long ,ust we wait
[22:11] <Jack_Sparrow> I dont even use flash...
[22:11]  * Tm_T is happy with gnash
[22:12] <Tm_T> works with none here, I'm fine with it :p
[22:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Can someone give me a webpage to test the flash install..
[22:19] <Seeker`> ~/quit
[22:19] <ubot3> Factoid quit not found
[22:19] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: i guess http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[22:20] <Jack_Sparrow> I suppose I need to install java as well...
[22:24] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: or just try anything on youtube... some people were complained about lack of sound, youtube would test that
[22:24] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[22:25] <LjL> although i don't quite understand why youtube tells me i need to upgrade my flash - sometimes. seems it does it when i go directly to a video's page... if i start from youtube.com and search, it seems fine
[22:27] <Jack_Sparrow> I had already started java so it will slow me down for a sec..
[22:27] <Tm_T> Phusion: hi
[22:28] <Phusion> PriceChild: ?
[22:28] <Phusion> hey thee.
[22:28] <Phusion> there.
[22:28] <PriceChild> Hey Phusion?
[22:28] <Phusion> hey there.
[22:28] <Tm_T> :))
[22:28] <ikonia> ahhh this was the guy from yesterday with 100+ ban evasions
[22:28] <Phusion> I want to repent
[22:28] <Phusion> 100!? oh c'mon
[22:28] <Tm_T> repent?
[22:28] <ikonia> yes well over a 100
[22:28] <Phusion> yeah, I evaded bans 3 times yesterday because.... I'ma jerk and I was in the middle of helping someone in #ubuntu when I got the boot
[22:28] <Phusion> excuse me?
[22:29] <Phusion> you're thinking of someone else
[22:29] <ikonia> n
[22:29] <ikonia> no
[22:29] <Tm_T> nope
[22:29] <Tm_T> it's you allright
[22:29] <Phusion> well, Pricechild was there for the whole thing
[22:29] <Tm_T> Phusion: I sort of waited to see you :)
[22:29] <LjL> Phusion, i wonder, why didn't you even *ask* about the ban, before evading the second after it?
[22:29] <Phusion> I evaded ban 3 times, had a chat w/ pricechild and said, if you'd like me to leave, I will
[22:29] <Phusion> so I did
[22:29] <Phusion> I'm LAZY!
[22:30] <Phusion> so much faster to just jump back in and finish the convo with the TWELVE PEOPLE I WAS SUPPORTING
[22:30] <Phusion> I'm here to apologize
[22:30] <Tm_T> :))
[22:30] <Tm_T> Phusion: hug me?
[22:30] <Phusion> you guys run a tight ship, I'm not used to such restrictions
[22:30]  * Phusion hugs Tm_T 
[22:30] <Tm_T> hands off, you perv!
[22:30]  * Tm_T hides
[22:30]  * Phusion can't let go
[22:30]  * Phusion is stuck
[22:30] <PriceChild> Phusion, lazy people do not have dozens of standby proxies ready. I'm pretty surprised and amazed to see you back, rather than under a different name and s non the wiser.
[22:31] <PriceChild> !offtopic > Tm_T
[22:31] <Phusion> hehe
[22:31] <PriceChild> *and us none
[22:31] <Phusion> well, first of all
[22:31] <Phusion> they're vhosts, not proxies.
[22:31] <Phusion> second of all
[22:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Well for what it is worth.. that fix worked on this feisty install
[22:31] <Phusion> if I was a shady person, yeah, I'd just duck you again
[22:31] <LjL> Phusion: proxy is a pretty generic term
[22:31] <Jack_Sparrow> at least for youtube video  with sound
[22:31] <Phusion> pretty specific for me
[22:31] <LjL> i figure.
[22:32] <PriceChild> Phusion, The original offence... "rm -rf /" - what was that all about?
[22:33] <Phusion> oh, right, that, I err.. made it clear I was joking, but yeah, thats pretty bad
[22:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Sarcasm is wasted online
[22:33] <Phusion> yeah.... srsly
[22:34] <PriceChild> Phusion, I don't think it could ever be made clear enough.
[22:34] <Phusion> yeah
[22:34] <LjL> Phusion, if as you say you're coming from less light boats, then please read these carefully
[22:34] <LjL> !etiquette > Phusion    (Phusion, see the private message from Ubotu)
[22:35] <Phusion> well, look, I'd be glad to stay outta yer chan, if I was a real douche I wouldn't be here explaining myself, I didn't duck under a different host and nick and I'm not a griefer, I do tech support for a living and I love OSS and Ubuntu
[22:35] <PriceChild> #ubuntu is crowded with absolute beginners, some who will copy/paste whatever you give them and not think twice. Not stopping to see later warnings.
[22:35] <ikonia> the ban evading last night was may more than 3
[22:35] <Phusion> certainly not
[22:35] <Phusion> I owned up to what I did
[22:36] <Phusion> PriceChild: yeah, I realize this
[22:36] <Phusion> and telling someone to whipe their drive certainly isn't going to further their expeditions into alternate OS's
[22:36] <ikonia> it's almost like your reading from a script
[22:36] <Phusion> logic, does once in a while fall upon my cranium
[22:37] <Phusion> uhm...
[22:37] <Phusion> ok.
[22:37] <Phusion> I'm trying to show you that I understand what you're trying to tell me, but if thats reading from a script then sure.
[22:38] <Phusion> you don't know that I'm a 25 year old, mildly educated IT professional, and may feel the need to explain to me that my jokes will get actually used by the newbs
[22:40] <Phusion> so, if you'll A) let me back in so I can help out the newbs or B) tell me to shove off I'd love to do either of them-- but I've been using linux since '97 and Debian since '00 or so and I'm quite an asset, not so much the asshat you may thinking I am
[22:41] <LjL> Phusion, i see your stance
[22:41] <LjL> please tell me when you've finished reading the stuff in !etiquette
[22:41] <Phusion> ok
[22:41] <LjL> with !coc and !guidelines being most important
[22:42] <Phusion> I can ask ubotu?
[22:42]  * Tm_T loves coc <3
[22:42] <LjL> yes, /msg ubotu etiquette
[22:42] <Phusion> yes..
[22:42] <Phusion> Tm_T: how about CoC?
[22:42] <Tm_T> Phusion: that's the one I'm talking about
[22:42] <Phusion> word.
[22:42] <Phusion> good stuff
[22:43] <Phusion> too bad they died off like the rest of the great 90's music, eh?
[22:49] <PriceChild> Anyway back on topic.
[22:49] <Phusion> hrmm !etiquette doesn't seem to do it on obotu or Ubotwo
[22:50] <Pici> !etiquette
[22:50] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense...
[22:50] <Phusion> ohhhh you just want me to read those, got it
[22:52] <PriceChild> ie /msg ubotu $foo, where $foo is any of those you haven't read yet.
[22:59] <jussi01> Tm_T: got a moment for a quick pm?
[22:59] <Tm_T> sure
[22:59] <LjL> by the way frojnd, if you don't have anything else to ask us, may i ask you to leave this channel? we like to keep it for mostly ad-hoc, temporary use
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[23:05] <PriceChild> kb3llm, nano__, wols, can I help you?
[23:17]  * PriceChild double checked the tab completion on "na" there
[23:18] <Tm_T> Phusion: what was the other choice?
[23:25] <Phusion> hrmm?
[23:26] <Phusion> I didn't have a C
[23:26] <Phusion> I'm trying to read through the etiquette
[23:26] <Phusion> and I just did, looks pretty standard
[23:27] <LjL> Phusion: so no problem with abiding by it?
[23:27] <Phusion> nope, seems straight forward
[23:28] <ikonia> tf
[23:32] <Phusion> tanx guys
[23:34] <LjL> breathe on his neck, and if he talks to people with strange hostnames, make a note of that.
[23:35] <ikonia> LjL: define strange ? (roughly)
[23:35] <ikonia> as in clearly false
[23:36] <LjL> ikonia: yeah, as in shell-account-like
[23:36] <ikonia> ok
[23:36] <ikonia> just checking
[23:37] <ikonia> but actually my pain killers are kicking in, I'm feeling a little woozy so I think I'll drop out
[23:37] <ikonia> good night
[23:37] <LjL> night
[23:38] <kb3llm> argh
[23:38] <kb3llm> lol
[23:38] <Tm_T> yes?
[23:40] <nalioth> kb3llm: something we can help you with?
[23:41] <kb3llm> nalioth: no... not really
[23:41] <nalioth> kb3llm: did you not get the /msg from earlier?
[23:41] <kb3llm> nalioth: but everyone was fine with my being in here last night, why the sudden change?
[23:41] <nalioth> see the topic please
[23:41] <PriceChild> "everyone"?
[23:41] <Tm_T> kb3llm: you were here for the reason I believe
[23:41] <kb3llm> i see that.
[23:42] <PriceChild> I have no idea who you are, and you didn't reply to the question :/
[23:42] <kb3llm> but I'm not hurting anyone.
[23:42] <kb3llm> PriceChild: what question?
 kb3llm, nano__, wols, can I help you?
[23:42] <kb3llm> PriceChild: I'm beyond help :P
[23:42] <kb3llm> no I'm just "here" - lol....  but I'm not causing any harm...
[23:43] <Tm_T> you are here because...
[23:43] <PriceChild> People "just here" gets me uneasy... no-one stumbles across this channel.
[23:43] <PriceChild> s/gets/get
[23:43] <Tm_T> agreed
[23:43] <kb3llm> PriceChild: well I whois'd someone from #freenode yesterday
[23:43] <kb3llm> they were in here
[23:43] <kb3llm> so I wanted to check it out
[23:44] <kb3llm> and I liked it, so i stayed.
[23:44] <kb3llm> nice group of people here..
[23:44] <kb3llm> or so I thought before I was kicked :P
[23:44] <Tm_T> yup
[23:44] <kb3llm> j/k
[23:44] <Tm_T> this isn't social channel anyway ;)
[23:44] <kb3llm> meh - come on... lemmie stay - please?
[23:44] <Tm_T> why?
[23:45] <kb3llm> because it's not hurting anyone..
[23:45] <Tm_T> it's already hurting PriceChild ;)
[23:46] <nalioth> please respect our wishes
[23:46] <PriceChild> kb3llm, checking logs... it appears you came here questioning someone else's ban?
[23:46] <kb3llm> PriceChild: no...
[23:46] <kb3llm> PriceChild: I was just "helping" with that in #freenode - but then, like I said, i whois'd someone, and found this chan.
[23:47] <kb3llm> ...  do you really want me to leave that badly?!
[23:47] <LjL> naughty
[23:47] <Tm_T> aye
[23:47] <Tm_T> also young
[23:47] <Tm_T> apparently bit lonely too
[23:48] <Tm_T> volunteeringly staying here
[23:48] <Tm_T> that's the measure of his desperation
[23:48] <PriceChild> "03:43	mneptok	s/golden rod of Protean fury/wee-wee/" - haha
[23:48] <Tm_T> yu