[00:00] <AnAirMagic> as the driver
[00:01] <jaska94> yo
[00:01] <limac> hey
[00:01] <enotee> ok i see ipw2200 so
[00:02] <enotee> when i configure airsnort what type driver do i specify
[00:02] <AnAirMagic> that's the driver being used for the wireless card
[00:04] <V99> Sera
[00:04] <arriesp> bye all
[00:05] <AnAirMagic> enotee: not sure at all
[00:07] <enotee> can anyone help to configure airsnort
[00:11] <Flare183> !airsnort
[00:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about airsnort - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:12] <enotee> k thanks
[00:12] <ardchoille> !info airsnort
[00:12] <ubotu> airsnort: WLAN sniffer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7e-3 (gutsy), package size 50 kB, installed size 184 kB
[00:13] <ardchoille> !nickspam > V99_is_GIUSEPPE
[00:18] <maninder> how do i install a a setup that i downloaded fromthe internet
[00:18] <maninder> do i use adept to install it
[00:18] <ardchoille> maninder: Which app is it?
[00:19] <posingaspopular> maninder: a deb file you downloaded from the internet?
[00:19] <maninder> its a ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[00:19] <ardchoille> maninder: One should always check the repos first when searching for an app. It's likely to be there
[00:19] <ardchoille> !ati | maninder
[00:19] <maninder> yeye
[00:19] <maninder> so what
[00:19] <maninder> should i type
[00:19] <maninder> to run it
[00:19] <ubotu> maninder: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:20] <maninder> i tires
[00:20] <maninder> tired that
[00:20] <maninder> doesnt work
[00:20] <maninder> i already downloaded the setup file
[00:20] <maninder> i just need to install it
[00:20] <maninder> how do i do it
[00:22] <Kohlrabi> maninder: If you really can't use the above method (which I highly doubt), you can try using envy, which is not advised, though.
[00:22] <opdensteinen> hi
[00:22] <kristjan_> hi is there more up-to-date repo for kde4 packages?
[00:23] <cn28h> !nickspam
[00:23] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[00:23] <Gogoacquan> hi
[00:23] <Flare183> hello
[00:23] <Gogoacquan> i want to install vlc player but it doesnt work with the adept manager:((((
[00:23] <Flare183> sudo apt-get vlc
[00:23] <Gogoacquan> maybe anyone have a solution^^
[00:23] <cn28h> what error do you get?
[00:23] <Flare183> !vlc
[00:24] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[00:24] <Kohlrabi> +install
[00:25] <Kohlrabi> Gogoacquan: Maybe look for a .deb package on the videolan site.
[00:25] <Gogoacquan> {\rtf1\ansi\deff0\adeflang1025
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[00:25] <Gogoacquan> {\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;}
[00:25] <Gogoacquan> {\stylesheet{\s1\rtlch\afs24\lang1023\ltrch\dbch\langfe1023\hich\fs24\lang1023\loch\fs24\lang1023\snext1 Normal;}
[00:25] <Gogoacquan> }
[00:25] <Flare183> !paste| Gogoacquan
[00:25] <ubotu> Gogoacquan: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:26] <Flare183> ardchoille:> why would someone do that?
[00:26] <ardchoille> Flare183: Do what?
[00:26] <Flare183> ardchoille:> paste like that
[00:26] <ardchoille> Flare183: No idea
[00:26] <Flare183> ardchoille:> esp on the channel
[00:27] <chipy> my amule close momentany
[00:27] <V99_is_GIUSEPPE> hi!!!!!!!!!!1
[00:27] <chipy> what is it
[00:27] <chipy> hi
[00:27] <V99_is_GIUSEPPE> my amule go fast :)
[00:30] <Max-P> !fixapt
[00:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:30] <ardchoille> !fixadept
[00:30] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:30] <Max-P> thanks
[00:30] <ardchoille> yw
[00:32] <ardchoille> V99: You've been warned about nickspam. Please refrain from doing that. Last warning
[00:44] <NickPresta> I have a game that insists on playing full screen. Is there any way to make this game "windowed" or at least play on one of my displays, instead of spanning two?
[00:45] <tinin> NickPresta tri configuring that from the game while runing
[00:45] <tinin> maybe press "F"
[00:46] <tinin> or run it from a console and try --help to see if it has a windowed option
[00:46] <sub[t]rnl> setup meta modes in your xorg.conf
[00:46] <sub[t]rnl> like 1024x768,null
[00:48] <sub[t]rnl> Option "metamodes" "1280x1024,1280x1024; 1280x1024,NULL"
[00:49] <tehm0nk-LX> Does anyone know a terminal command to list partitions on a raid setup and see what size they are?
[00:50] <Flare183> tehm0nk-LX: df
[00:50] <Flare183> i think
[00:50] <Flare183> yeah
[00:50] <tehm0nk-LX> Flare183: that doesn't work for me :-/ i'm on the live cd
[00:51] <Flare183> that's weird it's supposed to be a core component
[00:51] <Flare183> might want to report that
[00:51] <Gogoacquan> hi
[00:51] <tehm0nk-LX> core for me right now i think is... all in the ram or something right now
[00:51] <sub[t]rnl> Greetings Gogoacquan, Welcome to #Kubuntu
[00:52] <tehm0nk-LX> would fdisk show anything?
[01:00] <arael82> hola, quien tiene un manual de gambas???
[01:00] <ardchoille> !es | arael82
[01:00] <Jay-Oh-En> !es
[01:00] <ubotu> arael82: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:00] <Jay-Oh-En> slow?
[01:00] <ardchoille> Yeah
[01:01] <tehm0nk-LX> has been for days?
[01:01] <tehm0nk-LX> anyone know a fair amount about paritioning?
[01:01] <tehm0nk-LX> hopefully with Raid knowledge?
[01:01] <blackwaltz> I would say I know a fair amount
[01:01] <Gogoacquan> hi
[01:01] <blackwaltz> and even a little bit about raid
[01:02] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i change the background color of konqueror
[01:02] <ardchoille> hi Gogoacquan
[01:02] <tehm0nk-LX> blackwaltz: can i have your attention for awhile? i've been having Issues... Dual-booting kubuntu & vista...
[01:02] <kristjan_> is there some way to follow only once process memory usage? (like top but only follow one app)
[01:02] <blackwaltz> tehm0nk-LX: sure
[01:03] <kristjan_> Jay-Oh-En: view> configure background
[01:03] <blackwaltz> kristjan_: could use ksysguard and type the app name in the filter box if that will work for you
[01:03] <ardchoille> kristjan_: have a look at htop, it has more features and easier to manage for some.
[01:03] <kristjan_> blackwaltz: oh nice, but I was thinking of something in konsole and one line
[01:06] <Schuenemann> !ati
[01:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:07] <tehm0nk-LX> blackwaltz: you getting my PMs?
[01:07] <Jay-Oh-En> kristjan_: thanks
[01:08] <kristjan_> ardchoille: anyway I found the answer by reading the top man page :-) [top -p "PID number of the process, e.g. 14876" ]
[01:09] <ardchoille> kristjan_: Good job :)
[01:10] <tehm0nk-LX> In Konversation is there a way to DCC-CHAT so that pasting large text doesn't end in a kline or something?
[01:11] <stdin> why not use pastebin?
[01:12] <tehm0nk-LX> how do you paste with it tho?
[01:12] <tehm0nk-LX> or do you have to make the person click a link?
[01:13] <ardchoille> tehm0nk-LX: You paste in a block of text, click "send" and it will give you a new url that you can give to the recipient where they cna see what you pasted
[01:14] <tehm0nk-LX> ardchoille: right... so i have to have them click a link :-
[01:14] <tehm0nk-LX> :-P
[01:15] <ardchoille> tehm0nk-LX: tbh clicking a link is not that difficult
[01:19] <stdin> having someone click a link is better than flooding them in /msg or in a dcc chat, I know the one I'd rather have
[01:32] <blackwaltz> stdin: unless you're impatient or have a slow internet connection .. in which case being flooded in /msg isn't so bad
[01:32] <stdin> blackwaltz: it's annoying for one, and if your client makes a noise when you get a /msg it's even worse
[01:33] <blackwaltz> stdin: matter of personal tastes I think ... it can take me up to a minute or two to get to things in a pastebin sometimes
[01:34] <stdin> and what if you need/want to show more than one person?
[01:34] <blackwaltz> That's another story.
[01:36]  * flaccid wakes up
[01:43] <Jay-Oh-En> hey flaccid
[01:44] <blackwaltz> This room seems awfully dead this evening
[01:44] <ardchoille> !away > Mr_Sonoma
[01:47] <blizzzek> gn8
[01:49] <synth> if I've switched to kubuntu, how can I remove all the gnome stuff etc? ubuntu-desktop isn't in place..
[01:50] <stdin> !purekde
[01:50] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[01:50] <synth> thanks
[01:50] <flaccid> howdy
[01:50] <evil_6969> hello
[01:50]  * flaccid makes coffee
[01:51] <evil_6969> any one here with kubuntu on a presario C500?
[01:53] <t3ch13> Anybody here with Kubuntu using the Realtek Sound?
[01:53] <synth> ah love coffee
[01:53] <evil_6969> t3 you haveing sound issues?
[01:54] <t3ch13> Yes the icon shows as sound on but no sound
[01:54] <evil_6969> hang on i think i have the info in my bookmarks
[01:54] <tekteen> evil_6969: what is the issue? I doubt that a person with your model will be on
[01:55] <evil_6969> tek .i have sond but my hedphones won't mute my speakers
[01:55] <flaccid> goto kmix and alsamixer and make sure the relevant channels are unmuted and turne dup
[01:56] <tekteen> evil_6969: I had the same problem
[01:56] <tekteen> let me find the quide
[01:56] <tekteen> guide*
[01:56] <evil_6969> cool thaniks
[01:56] <evil_6969> thanks
[01:58] <t3ch13> Alsamixer shows the volume at 89 but kmix won't load
[01:58] <tekteen> evil_6969: found it!
[01:58] <tekteen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HP_Pavillion_dv6000_%28dv6604nr%29?highlight=%28dv600%29
[01:58] <tekteen> Only follow the sound card info
[01:58] <evil_6969> ok
[02:00] <evil_6969> sweet i will try it
[02:00] <tekteen> ok
[02:00] <tekteen> np
[02:05] <evil_6969> brb
[02:11] <tekteen> hey evil_6969
[02:11] <tekteen> did it work?
[02:11] <evil_6969> hey  thanks....nope  but thats ok
[02:12] <tekteen> sorry
[02:12] <evil_6969> can i get the link so i nac pass it on it may work for some one else
[02:12] <evil_6969> can*
[02:12] <tekteen> ?
[02:13] <tekteen> not sure what u r asking
[02:13] <evil_6969> the info you sent me about the speakers
[02:13] <tekteen> ok
[02:13] <evil_6969> can i get it from you again
[02:14] <tekteen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HP_Pavillion_dv6000_%28dv6604nr%29?highlight=%28dv600%29
[02:14] <evil_6969> cool thanks
[02:16] <evil_6969> ok i have to go i will be back on later thanks for the help
[02:19] <maninder> whats that object doc called for linux
[02:20] <flaccid> what is an object doc
[02:20] <maninder> its like an apple os doc
[02:20] <flaccid> what is an apple os doc
[02:20] <maninder> that start menu 3d one
[02:21] <flaccid> i don't know what you are talking about sorry
[02:21] <maninder> its like short cuts
[02:21] <flaccid> !symlinks
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about symlinks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <flaccid> unix has symbolic links
[02:21] <flaccid> just like os x
[02:22] <maninder> http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/articles/interviewwithjohngruber/docks.big.png
[02:22] <maninder> i want that for linux
[02:22] <maninder> a short cut dock
[02:23] <strtok> uh huh
[02:23] <maninder> how do i get that
[02:23] <maninder> for linux
[02:23] <cuking_1> !dock
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <ardchoille> maninder: You can do that with your current kicker
[02:24] <maninder> kicker$
[02:24] <maninder> kicker?
[02:24] <ardchoille> maninder: Your kde panel
[02:25] <bambam> hello everyone,
[02:25] <bambam> I have a problem with KONTACT
[02:25] <bambam> it can smoothly receive my inbox, yet IT CANT CONNECT TO MY MAIL SERVER TO SEND MAILS!!!
[02:26] <bambam> anyone met such an issue??
[02:27] <cuking_1> Once I had a problem with the mail server I was using to send out on not letting me connect.
[02:27] <stdin> !caps
[02:27] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:29] <bambam> no worries, i was only highlighting my issue, another thing to add is that i still can log to my web mail interface to send emails, and its also responding when i try to ping it
[02:34] <tehm0nk> is it better to get the drivers from Nvidia or use the nvidia-glx-new drivers?
[02:34] <cuking_1> tehm0nk I have had good success with the glx drivers.
[02:35] <tehm0nk> cuking are you on dual monitors?
[02:35] <cuking_1> hmmm nope.
[02:35] <cuking_1> I have seen it done but I have trouble enough keeping up with the info on one part of one screen :)
[02:36] <tehm0nk> lol
[02:36] <tehm0nk> that is where my problems start is when i try to get both monitors working
[02:36] <cuking_1> I wish I could help I would probably give more misinformation on that issue than help :
[02:41] <flaccid> xrandr is great for dualling on gutsy with right drivers for card
[02:47] <flaccid> tehm0nk: try xrandr
[02:47] <tehm0nk> ?
[02:48] <flaccid> you want dual?
[02:48] <tehm0nk> yes
[02:48] <flaccid> check xrandr -q and see if there are two displays
[02:48] <flaccid> if there is then you should be able to control them
[02:48] <flaccid> for example i do xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1920x1200 --right-of LVDS
[02:49] <unix_infidel> ok, ubuntu really went the crapper since i last used it.
[02:49] <flaccid> hehe
[02:50] <unix_infidel> i'm getting hangs during install, kernel panics during boot, wireless not working automatically.
[02:50] <unix_infidel> and this is ON OLD HARDWARE!
[02:50] <stdin> !caps | unix_infidel
[02:50] <ubotu> unix_infidel: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:50] <unix_infidel> lol, where linux shines :-)
[02:50] <flaccid> sounds like there is a problem
[02:50] <unix_infidel> flaccid: first problem: CPU too old for this kernel.
[02:50] <flaccid> i can help with the last one. the middle one you should google and if it hangs...
[02:51] <flaccid> how do you know that
[02:51] <unix_infidel> went a head and rebooted to the install disk , chrooted, installed linux-generic.
[02:51] <unix_infidel> flaccid: it was the error during boot.
[02:51] <flaccid> crazy
[02:51] <tehm0nk> flaccid: is it possible to have 2 desktops?
[02:51] <tehm0nk> like 1 virtual desktop showing on each monitor?
[02:51] <flaccid> yeah you are usually given 2 or 4 by default
[02:52] <flaccid> ah yeah thats what dual display is i guess or what is known as twinview for nv
[02:52] <unix_infidel> the problem with the linux-386 and linux-generic kernels are that the ipw2200 support is bad.
[02:52] <flaccid> there needs to be more dual dvi notebooks out there...
[02:53] <flaccid> unix_infidel: really. its actually really good. i use ipw2200 and since they finished the support after dapper its been good
[02:53] <flaccid> i use it unix_infidel, so maybe i can help with your issue..
[02:54] <unix_infidel> flaccid: which version you running?
[02:54] <tehm0nk> flaccid: in my Nvidia X Server Settings, there is no monitor for the second videocard...
[02:55] <flaccid> im on gutsy
[02:55] <tehm0nk> it wants me to "Acquire EDID" any ideas?
[02:55] <flaccid> Linux lister 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:55] <unix_infidel> flaccid: which computer, dell?
[02:56] <flaccid> tehm0nk: im not sure what you are referring to. you do not require it with xrandr in xorg.conf. usually just a virtual size like                 Virtual         3360 1050
[02:56] <flaccid> its an asus w1000na
[02:56] <poison--> !NTFS
[02:56] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[02:57] <poison--> !NTFS-3g
[02:57] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:57] <evjunior09> I was wondering... can the iPod Touch work with Amarok?
[02:57] <flaccid> i think so evjunior09 but the guys in #amarok should be able to confirm
[02:59] <flaccid> right my new setup is complete with my new monitor. now i need to install windows on the notebook and desktop aaarg!
[03:03] <marx2k> Why would you want to go and do a thing like that ;)
[03:05] <cheguevara> :P
[03:06] <GerrySly> so I got a windows network called mshome, and I got a kubuntu desktop that I want to connect to that network, anybody got some suggestions how I would go about that?
[03:07] <yotux> have a question I use ubuntu gnome but I have installed k3b to burn cds k3b will not load
[03:08] <dwidmann> yotux, try opening it from a shell and see if it spits out any error messages.
[03:08] <yotux> is there a flag to get debugging data
[03:08] <unix_infidel> does ndiswrapper do wep/wpa?
[03:09] <flaccid> marx2k: ableton live
[03:09] <flaccid> !samba | GerrySly
[03:09] <ubotu> GerrySly: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:10] <yotux> I started k3b in shell no error code yes
[03:11] <yotux> no errors yet
[03:11] <unix_infidel> anyone ndiswrapper + wpa / wep?
[03:11] <yotux> I have done it in the past I think
[03:12] <flaccid> um i think so unix_infidel. it also depends on the card and driver
[03:12] <flaccid> !ndiswrapper
[03:12] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:12] <yotux> dwidmann:  I notice that k3b is sleeping with ids of 7793, and 7994
[03:13] <dwidmann> yotux, try killing those before trying again
[03:14] <nando> alguien habla español aqui?
[03:14] <yotux> dwidmann:  I also have some kdeinit that are sleeping
[03:15] <dwidmann> Hmm, yotux, perhaps the easiest way to do it would be to log out, restart the xserver, then try again ..... that's the only thing I can think of that would be surefire...ish
[03:16] <yotux> dwidmann: I like kde but don't like kmail,  I have started to use evolution quite a bit could I install kubuntu and install evolution in kde?
[03:16] <yotux> Thinking that getting away form gnome would help
[03:16] <dwidmann> yotux, should be able to
[03:17] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: you find out how to fix kdmtheme
[03:18] <flaccid> nah im not going to bother
[03:18] <flaccid> kdmtheme is fine, the problem is what ubuntu has done to not include the overrides. i don't feel like fighting with the devs because they probably won't wanna fix
[03:20] <tehm0nk> !pastebin
[03:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:21] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: prolly not since they are working onkde 4
[03:21] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: whats the dev channel
[03:21] <flaccid> um nothing to do with that, i just remember going there in the past..
[03:21] <flaccid> #ubuntu-dev
[03:22] <flaccid> i'd see jriddell or Jucato might wanna help. but the procedure is to do launchpad (!bugs)
[03:25] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: where can i file a bug at
[03:25] <Jay-Oh-En> !bugs
[03:25] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:33] <nandolinuxmaniac> alguien puede decirme cual es la sala en español?
[03:33] <bazhang> !es
[03:33] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:33] <nandolinuxmaniac> gracias...
[03:33] <tehm0nk> anyone amazing with xorg.conf files?
[03:33] <tehm0nk> for dual monitors?
[03:34] <tehm0nk> trying to make sure NOT to make a mistake...
[03:34] <tehm0nk> i have a pastebin of it
[03:34] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48802/
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> tehm0nk: werent you here three days ago
[03:38] <tehm0nk> Jay-Oh-En: Yes.
[03:38] <tehm0nk> and i'm Finally getting somewhere thats to dwidmann heh...
[03:46] <flaccid> tehm0nk: i can help with xrandr but not xinerama
[03:47] <tehm0nk> flaccid: no need
[03:47] <tehm0nk> :-D
[03:47] <tehm0nk> OMG it's working.
[03:47] <tehm0nk> i see 2 monitors ON
[03:47] <tehm0nk> and 2 desktops
[03:47] <tehm0nk> (what i wanted.)
[03:47] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to use Find Files/Folders but it seems to find nothing.  Even when I type in a keywoard from a file on my desktop.  It's set to look in my home folder and check subfolders is selected.  What is happening?
[03:47] <tehm0nk> dwidmann: tytytytytytytytytytytytytyytytytytytytyty
[03:48] <flaccid> well just to let you know you can do it dynamicly now with xrandr so you dont need to config xorg.conf or restart x
[03:48] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[03:48] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:49] <flaccid> !info krandrtray
[03:49] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in gutsy
[03:49] <tehm0nk> now it's time to make it look cool!
[03:49] <flaccid> weird
[03:49] <flaccid> !find krandrtray
[03:49] <ubotu> File krandrtray found in kcontrol, kdebase-dbg, kdebase-workspace
[03:49] <flaccid> ah comes in kcontrol
[03:50] <tehm0nk> is there a shortcut key to open a windowed terminal?
[03:50] <flaccid> not by default
[03:50] <flaccid> i dont think
[03:50] <flaccid> i use yakuake for that
[03:50] <flaccid> !info yakuake
[03:50] <ubotu> yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 167 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[03:50] <flaccid> you just press f12 and it pops down
[03:53] <Dragnslcr> You can set a keyboard shortcut for anything in the KMenu
[03:53] <tehm0nk> if i press CTL+ALT+F2 how do i get out of it?
[03:53] <flaccid> sweet
[03:53] <flaccid> press escape
[03:53] <tehm0nk> really?
[03:53] <tehm0nk> lol
[03:53] <tehm0nk> wow i feel stupid
[03:53] <tehm0nk> i got stuck in there the other day
[03:53] <flaccid> actually jump out the window!
[03:53] <flaccid> hehe
[03:54] <flaccid> excuse the pun there
[03:54] <tehm0nk> ment to press alt+f2 dunnoy why i added the CTL
[03:54] <stdin> tehm0nk: ctrl+alt+f7 to go back to X
[03:54] <flaccid> oh yeah hehe
[03:54] <tehm0nk> hmm
[03:54] <tehm0nk> thats weird...
[03:55] <tehm0nk> i can drag my mouse across the screen... to the other x window
[03:55] <tehm0nk> but not a program
[03:55] <flaccid> they are called ttys or virtual terminals
[03:55] <tehm0nk> ...interesting lol
[03:55] <flaccid> you need to make the program not maximised
[03:55] <tehm0nk> it's not...
[03:55] <flaccid> the you can drag it over, then it maximise will only max on that screen
[03:55] <tehm0nk> but i guess it's a separate x server?
[03:55] <flaccid> oh um dang then
[03:55] <flaccid> no its not
[03:55] <flaccid> well i can't remember with xinerama
[03:56] <tehm0nk> i'm not in Xinerama
[03:56] <tehm0nk> and i'm not in TwinView either...
[03:56] <tehm0nk> ack no! i forgot that command ....
[03:56] <tehm0nk> kdesudo nvidia-settings
[03:56] <tehm0nk> i think
[03:56] <flaccid> i thought that was what you had in xorg.conf..
[03:57] <flaccid> tehm0nk: if you pastebin me the output of xrandr -q i'll see if you can do this with xrandr dynamically
[03:58] <tehm0nk> i almost dont wanna mess with it anymore lol
[03:58] <tehm0nk> cause... it's working for once lol
[03:58] <flaccid> well xrandr doesn't mess with anything heh
[03:58] <flaccid> well its not working if you can't drag over
[03:58] <pastor> hola a todos!
[03:59] <pastor> alguien habla español???
[03:59] <flaccid> !es | pastor
[03:59] <ubotu> pastor: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:59] <tehm0nk> Woah this is really weird
[04:00] <tehm0nk> my left monitor has nothing about the programs... like the Titlebar or the _  and X buttons... not there lol
[04:00] <tehm0nk> !paste
[04:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:00] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48808/
[04:01] <flaccid> ok so you are using the prop. drivers?
[04:01] <tehm0nk> propper?
[04:01] <flaccid> the proprietry driver
[04:02] <tehm0nk> yes
[04:02] <flaccid> binary (blob)
[04:02] <tehm0nk> the others wont work
[04:02] <flaccid> yeah dang some cards don't work with xrandr for some reason with that
[04:02] <flaccid> nvidia?
[04:03] <flaccid> hmm i've never gotten dual to go on that same card before tehm0nk
[04:03] <flaccid> its dual dvi card?
[04:04] <tehm0nk> Both of them are Dual DVI...
[04:04] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/132723
[04:04] <flaccid> yeah
[04:04] <tehm0nk> but only 1 monitor is connected to each
[04:04] <tehm0nk> :-P
[04:04] <flaccid> ah yeah
[04:04] <flaccid> i could never get a viewsonic widescreen to go with that card in dual
[04:05] <flaccid> nice one Jay-Oh-En
[04:06] <flaccid> if it gets fixed awesome, people can actually change themes heh
[04:06] <flaccid> yay i pinpointed the exact same thing they did
[04:12] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: lol
[04:13] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: its not really broken you can do it manually but not everybody knows how to do that i know i didnt know
[04:15] <flaccid> thats how i have it set atm
[04:16] <flaccid> the point is that its always been like this and renders kdmtheme useless to the user
[04:16] <sub[t]rnl> not if you knew how to hack it up.
[04:16] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[04:17] <flaccid> yeah we did that last night..
[04:17] <flaccid> im using that true-nature one
[04:18]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[04:18] <sub[t]rnl> i wrote up a little diddy in case anyone asks again
[04:18] <sub[t]rnl> http://subtrnl.homelinux.com/services.html
[04:18] <flaccid> nice man
[04:18] <bazhang> sweet
[04:19] <ardchoille> sub[t]rnl: KDM theme how to?!
[04:19] <flaccid> !kdmtheme
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdmtheme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <flaccid> !kdm
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <flaccid> just need it on wiki and go in there :p
[04:19] <sub[t]rnl> yeah
[04:19] <ardchoille> Yes, I was going to ask sub[t]rnl to add it to the wiki too
[04:20] <ardchoille> sub[t]rnl: Gotta have it :)
[04:20] <sub[t]rnl> 10 4
[04:20] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: i just downloaded this one http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Weird+KDM++-+1280x1024?content=56466 its really nice
[04:21] <flaccid> i need 1920x1200 :p
[04:21] <ardchoille> sub[t]rnl: Once a good wiki page about it is up, someone (I will if noone else) can request a bot factoid for it.
[04:21] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: i like your webpage your good at html and photoshop/gimp im guessing
[04:22] <flaccid> cept needs to get rid of table layout :p
[04:24] <flaccid> the kdm theming is pretty easy to make your own.. good for corporations to make their own company login screen w/ corporate logo
[04:25] <Toma-> Anyone know how I can findout what actions are taken when 'Safely remove' is selected from konqeror?
[04:25] <flaccid> um
[04:25] <flaccid> good question
[04:26] <ardchoille> Toma-: I thought it was just a umount
[04:26] <ardchoille> (as user)
[04:26] <Toma-> ardchoille➜ nope.
[04:26] <Toma-> pretty sure it goes through hal
[04:26] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[04:26] <flaccid> unmount is first then some hal stuff
[04:30] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: who made your website and whose hosting it
[04:34] <Toma-> found it. it uses hal to run a pumount then an eject.
[04:34] <Toma-> thanks anyway :)
[04:35] <dfolks> hi, can someone help me install compriz on kubuntu, i tried to install via the terminal only to get an error message
[04:35] <ardchoille> !compiz | dfolks
[04:35] <ubotu> dfolks: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[04:36] <dfolks> thanks
[04:36] <dfolks> i'll give it a try
[04:36] <tehm0nk> !xinerama
[04:36] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: your kid is cute
[04:36] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:37] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: you have a good looking family
[04:39] <sub[t]rnl> Jay-Oh-En: I made it, and I'm hosting it, its under my desk right now, thanks by the way
[04:39] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: kool anyways
[04:39] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: whats the name of that system monitor
[04:39] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: is it using karamba
[04:40] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: i would like that on my desktop :]
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> conky
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> real handy
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> !info conky
[04:40] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.7-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 140 kB, installed size 472 kB
[04:42] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[04:43] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i install
[04:43] <Jay-Oh-En> i know how to install
[04:43] <Jay-Oh-En> i mean how do i konfigure it
[04:43] <Jay-Oh-En> :]
[04:43] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, gotta tinker with it
[04:43] <sub[t]rnl> the .conkyrc has some comments to help you out
[04:44] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: wheres that located?
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> ~/.conkyrc
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> home dir
[04:46] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[04:46] <sub[t]rnl> np
[04:47] <Jay-Oh-En> bash: /home/jon/.conkyrc: No such file or directory
[04:47] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, can't remember where the example rc was that I moved over..
[04:48] <Jay-Oh-En> would it be in the .kde folder
[04:49] <sub[t]rnl>  /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz
[04:50] <sub[t]rnl> <3 dpkg -L
[04:51] <Jay-Oh-En> sudo dpkg -L  /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz?
[04:52] <sub[t]rnl> negatory, sudo gzip -d it
[04:52] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[04:52] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[04:56] <tehm0nk> anyone else here using dual monitors?
[04:57] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205865
[04:59] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i add conky to startup?
[04:59] <Jay-Oh-En> ~./autostart?
[04:59] <sub[t]rnl> !autostart
[04:59] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:01] <Jay-Oh-En> Thank you!
[05:03] <Jay-Oh-En> when i click add do i just type conky?
[05:03] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[05:03] <yurimxpxman> I'm running gutsy x86_64. Amarok won't play my OGG files I ripped via konqueror. Any ideas? I have libxine1-ffmpeg installed..
[05:04] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: is executable?
[05:05] <sub[t]rnl> yurimxpxman: can you launch the files from inside konqueror with amarok?
[05:06] <yurimxpxman> sub[t]rnl: when I double click it, it opens with amarok, but amarok says there's no suitable codec for it. It's able to play mp3s just fine
[05:06] <eljefe> is there a kids theme for kubuntu?
[05:07] <bazhang> edubuntu has some iirc eljefe
[05:08] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[05:08] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:10] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, don't know yurimxpxman
[05:10] <sub[t]rnl> :/
[05:10] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: http://pastebin.com/m286f105d
[05:10] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: how can i fix that
[05:12] <posingaspopular> i duno, sudo apt-get purge foresight maybe?
[05:12] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: and how can i make it transparent
[05:12] <posingaspopular> ;p
[05:12] <Jay-Oh-En> posingaspopular: ?
[05:12] <posingaspopular> ask someone who actually uses the distro, i haven't gotten it to work in VM properly
[05:13] <sub[t]rnl> I had to use "feh" to set my default wallpaper, which allowed conky to do transparency with compiz fusion
[05:13] <Jay-Oh-En> posingaspopular: this is kubuntu channel im guessing everyody in here uses kde
[05:13] <yurimxpxman> sub[t]rnl: is there any way to use gstreamer or mplayer as the engine instead of xine?
[05:13] <sub[t]rnl> Jay-Oh-En: read that link you gave me a few moments ago, go through it all, it will tell you
[05:13] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: ight
[05:14] <sub[t]rnl> yurimxpxman: not that I'm aware of
[05:14]  * posingaspopular grumbles and leaves
[05:14] <sub[t]rnl> I think the devs have it locked on the xine engine as of now
[05:14] <sub[t]rnl> google around, bbiab
[05:15] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: ok well i have arial font installed BUT it says cants load font arial
[05:22] <eljefe> any kde apps that can turn off keys on a keyboard?
[05:26] <tehm0nk> anyone here happen to play wow?
[05:27] <maduser> I know people who do
[05:33] <Jay-Oh-En> god its ugly
[05:33] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: i cant get it to look good no matter what i do
[05:38] <Jay-Oh-En> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop1.png thats what it looks like and it changes size everytime it refreshes itself sub[t]rnl
[05:39] <dwidmann> Hmm, anybody know of a cd ripper that can cope with multiple instances (such that I can do two at once with two drives)?
[05:39] <Jay-Oh-En> cant k3b
[05:40] <dwidmann> Not as far as I could tell
[05:40] <sub[t]rnl> Jay-Oh-En: want my .conkyrc?
[05:41] <Roy_M> Jay-Oh-En, is that a pic of the new KDE?
[05:41] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: YES!! :]
[05:41] <Jay-Oh-En> Roy_M: nope
[05:42] <sub[t]rnl> Jay-Oh-En: you use compiz?
[05:42] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: nope
[05:42] <Jay-Oh-En> thnaks
[05:44] <sub[t]rnl> if it isn't transparent, hollar at me
[05:44] <Jay-Oh-En> it isnt
[05:44] <Jay-Oh-En> and its kinda in the way of stuff
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> do this real quick
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install feh
[05:45] <dwidmann> Jay-Oh-En: Looks like my best option is ripit, presuming that this test goes successfully, though it's got one sore spot I've spotted so far, but other than that it's looking good
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> then sudo killall conky
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> feh --bg-scale `dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface currentWallpaper 1`
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> then start up conky
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> see if that helps
[05:46] <Jay-Oh-En>  will it use feh everytime tho?
[05:46] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, we'll make a little bash script that does the feh, then starts conky
[05:46] <sub[t]rnl> see if it helps you first
[05:46] <Jay-Oh-En> it did
[05:47] <Jay-Oh-En> but it moves around everytime it refreshes and it flickers
[05:50] <sigma_kubuntu> whats conky
[05:52] <epimeth> hi guys
[05:52] <epimeth> where can I get information on updates that I install?
[05:53] <epimeth> for exmple, I just got the latest kernel update... I would like to know what has been changed/fixed/added ?
[05:53] <epimeth> specifically, if my wireless card is *finally* supported :-)
[05:53] <epimeth> but really, I want to know everything....
[05:54] <epimeth> also noticed that the smb libs and client were updated...
[05:54] <Jay-Oh-En> sigma_kubuntu: it shows your cpu temp and stuff
[05:57] <nacho> all chanels
[05:57] <bazhang> !irc | nacho
[05:57] <ubotu> nacho: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[05:58] <dwidmann> hmmmmmmmmm, this seems to do the trick well, and it's fast! """ripit -d /dev/hda -c 1 -q 7 -u --dirtemplate '"$artist/$album"' --nointeraction --tracktemplate '"$tracknum - $trackname"' -p 0"""
[06:01] <ade> indonesia
[06:03] <bazhang> !id
[06:03] <ubotu> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[06:12] <foibles> does kubuntu gutsy support wpa wireless?
[06:13] <bazhang> yes foibles, depending on if your card supports it
[06:13] <foibles> bazhang: alright
[06:13] <eljefe> or on if gutsy supports your card
[06:13] <foibles> bazhang: I just get confused because kwireless never says "wpa", always wep
[06:14] <bazhang> knetwork-manager should do if you have it setup right and your card supports it foibles
[06:15] <foibles> bazhang: ill tweak around, thanks
[06:15] <bazhang> your welcome foibles :}
[06:17] <eljefe> how can i allow a second user the right to run kdesudo (root) applications?  still requiring the root password of course
[06:17] <techgeek40> Hello all
[06:17] <dwidmann> eljefe, add them to the admin group
[06:17] <eljefe> that user is in it :(
[06:17] <techgeek40> I need to get a few things installed on the Kubuntu - java (current) and adobe flash and shockwave - but seem to be running into a problem
[06:18] <techgeek40> The current version of java is jre-6u3-linux-i586.bin
[06:18] <techgeek40> I tried the sudo apt-get install-sun java jre-6u3-linux-i586 but I think I goofed
[06:19] <techgeek40> I even tried (according to java's web site) the chmod but that was a no go too
[06:20] <dwidmann> eljefe: weird ...
[06:20] <sub[t]rnl> !java
[06:20] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:21] <backupp> is it possible to make an iso of my current kubuntu into cd, and boot it on another system with same settings and dupe it over?
[06:21] <techgeek40> I'm on 7.10
[06:21] <bazhang> !aptoncd | backupp
[06:21] <ubotu> backupp: APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[06:21] <eljefe> dwidmann: this is from an edubuntu install to Kubuntu...
[06:21] <level1> Hi, I have skim installed.  I want to remove it, but last time I tried, every window with a text box in it went nuts
[06:21] <backupp> that's not what i want
[06:21] <backupp> i want a duplication of my os on another computer
[06:22] <backupp> not packages on cd
[06:22] <eljefe> backupp: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-linux-mint-livecd-with-remastersys
[06:23] <level1> !scim
[06:23] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[06:24] <unix_infidel> does ubuntu get it's kernels from debian or compile them itself?
[06:24] <sub[t]rnl> backupp: thats going to be as pain free as it gets really.  You'll probably run into permission problems if your trying to image your entire drive
[06:24] <unix_infidel> and / or use highly similar compilation flags.
[06:26] <backupp> sub[t]rnl: using remastersys?
[06:28] <sub[t]rnl> http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/
[06:28] <sub[t]rnl> err, thats unix
[06:28] <sub[t]rnl> https://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l
[06:28] <sub[t]rnl> there we go
[06:30] <techgeek40> I do apologize, I
[06:30] <dennister> hey channel...been having a lot of problems playing my /dev/video0 (tuner with any form of mplayer lately...now it won't play at all...any ideas?
[06:31] <techgeek40> I'm "windows" based geek - not linux - so this is still new to me
[06:31] <techgeek40> I did the software sources but don't see anything about backports
[06:31] <dennister> or, should say, mplayer works with local videos and recorded tv, but not to play live tv
[06:31] <techgeek40> I do however have checked the multiverse
[06:32] <techgeek40> I'm lost at trying to get the Java (that first - the other's later) installed -
[06:32] <techgeek40> Is it possible to get the latest version of java install in the temrinal window *ubuntu 7.10* using the sudo apt-get?
[06:32] <dennister> !backports
[06:33] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[06:33] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:34] <level1> techgeek40: the java package some name like "sun-java6.0-nonfree" or some such
[06:34] <level1> techgeek40: what you do, is type "apt-cache search java" (doesn't have to be sudo)
[06:35] <level1> techgeek40: apt-cache search java sun will get you exactly what you want
[06:35] <dennister> !Java
[06:35] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:36] <level1> java 6 is the newest version, it should be out by now... ubotu may be a little out of date
[06:36] <dennister> techgeek40: yes, installing sun's java is real easy now with its better licensing and the howtos^^^
[06:36] <level1> don't know about that "edgy" disclaimer
[06:37] <dennister> anybody got any ideas why new mplayers won't play my live tv tuner feed?...was working ok untuil the upgrades got installed :(
[06:39] <dennister> or, was working ok after a reboot, then I'd quit the tv feed, and would have to restartx before "mplayer /dev/video0" would work again...not it doesn't work even after a reboot
[06:39] <dennister> *now
[06:42] <dennister> i start the line above in terminal, I get the typical complaints i expect (no lirc or joystick installed yet), then it says "Playing /dev/video0" and nothing else
[06:44] <dennister> k...guess we don't have any tuner people in the channel at the moment...will reboot into gentoo...works there
[06:44] <foibles> man, christmas shopping online is so easy
[06:52] <XceII> Sends Ubuntu a christmas donation in thanks for a cool operating system.
[06:53] <XceII> Uninstalls bill gates for lying and spying and wasting my money.
[06:54] <dfolks> what is usually talked about here and are there other rooms, new to irc
[06:54] <neville> I already sent money ($100) to the Wine people, K/Ubuntu can wait =P
[06:55] <bazhang> !irc | dfolks
[06:55] <ubotu> dfolks: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[06:56] <dfolks> ok cool, i'll check it out
[07:06] <ardchoille> Anyone else having trouble with "apt-get upgrade" being slow?
[07:07] <bazhang> many folks in the other channel ardchoille
[07:08] <ardchoille> bazhang: Ah, ok.
[07:08] <ardchoille> Yeah, seems security.bubuntu.com is slow right now.
[07:09] <bazhang> I got it on hardy as well, but that is offtopic :}
[07:09] <ardchoille> I'll fetch updates later :)
[07:10] <bazhang> and it was kde-libs no less :}
[07:10] <ardchoille> ouch
[07:18] <foibles> if wpa is in knetworkmanager, why dont i see it under the settings
[07:18] <foibles> i just see wep, then hex/ascii
[07:18] <foibles> instead of wpa tkip/aes
[07:19] <techgeek40> Thank you all for the help - have a good night
[07:19] <sub[t]rnl> night
[07:19] <techgeek40> And thanks to Level 1 - he was a big help too
[07:20] <sub[t]rnl> foibles: right click on knetworkmanager, then connect to other wireless network, wpa is listed there
[07:22] <foibles> sub[t]rnl: ah, i see
[07:22] <foibles> sub[t]rnl: i have it setup to manual, and i dont know how to get it back to where it nicely lists all the networks in range
[07:23] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, knetworkmanager can be a little screwy
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> i find the bars are off at times too, showing signal strength
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> its getting better though
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> iwlist wlan0(or whatever) scan <- is what I use
[07:24]  * sub[t]rnl shrugs
[07:30] <foibles> sub[t]rnl: yeah, i gave up playing guesswork with it a long time ago
[07:30] <foibles> it works and does what it wants on its own whims
[07:33]  * flaccid gets back from shops
[07:36] <kraut> moin
[07:37] <flaccid> howdy
[07:39] <mun> hello
[07:39] <rjohn> my touchpad mouse skates and is unusable.  It flies all over screen
[07:39] <mun> i have problem in kbuntu
[07:39] <rjohn> Do I need some synaptic driver
[07:39] <rjohn> It's driving me crazy
[07:39] <mun> it didn't detect my wireless
[07:39] <mun> anyone genous
[07:40] <sigma__> rjohn: that driver is already present in linux, check your xorg.conf
[07:40] <mun> kbuntu expert
[07:40] <sigma__> mun: where did u check for detection?
[07:40] <mun> i am using ethernet
[07:40] <mun> its working
[07:40] <mun> but not wirless
[07:40] <mun> i have hp pavillion dv6205
[07:41] <sub[t]rnl> !wireless | mun
[07:41] <ubotu> mun: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:41] <mun> it was Vista
[07:41] <sigma__> mun: run kcontrol in the run dialog, then go to Internet & network
[07:41] <sigma__> then click on network settings
[07:41] <mun> ok
[07:42] <rjohn> yes, it's in my xorg.conf
[07:42] <sigma__> tell me what devices it lists?
[07:42] <rjohn> could i have wrong or outdated driver?
[07:42] <mun> ethO
[07:42] <sigma__> mun: is there no wlan0?
[07:42] <mun> nope
[07:42] <rjohn> It's a X driver, not a .ko, correct?
[07:42] <sigma__> rjohn: which laptop are u using? works perfect with my dell d600
[07:42] <rjohn> I'll run a locate on a .so for synaptic
[07:43] <sigma__> mun: how old is that laptop model?
[07:43] <mun> i just bought recently
[07:43] <mun> with Vista intall
[07:43] <sigma__> mun: im guessing its a brand new model?
[07:43] <mun> yep
[07:43] <mun> i guess
[07:44] <Stevethepirate> sigma_: hi.. i'm getting a dell inspiron.. is ubuntu rather capable with ur dell?
[07:44] <mun> hp pavillion dv6205us
[07:44] <rjohn> dell latitude
[07:44] <rjohn> Sometimes it works fine
[07:44] <rjohn> Then it just goes flaky
[07:44] <rjohn> let me go run dmesg
[07:44] <sigma__> mun: that means theres prob no support for your wireless chipset currently because its new, did u try googling it?
[07:45] <flaccid> best linux support is on dell..
[07:45] <mun> yep
[07:45] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yeah and now with the new opensource ati driver even the tv out works!
[07:45] <flaccid> there is a dell inspiron next to me
[07:45] <Stevethepirate> sigma_: Nvidia 8600gt :P
[07:45] <flaccid> yeah pitty its not for all ati cards :(
[07:45] <mun> so whats your suggestion
[07:45] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lol are u buying direct from dell?
[07:45] <gameufo> Hi everyone
[07:46] <rjohn> And I tried installing ksynaptic, but had dependency issues .I'm on 6.06
[07:46] <rjohn> uggh
[07:46] <sigma__> flaccid: i would think it was
[07:46] <flaccid> if i do non-custom computer, server or desktop, i always get dell
[07:46] <rjohn> The mouse has a mind of its own
[07:46] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: i'm getting a " Intel® Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-Card" on it.. but the thing is... google can't help me
[07:46] <flaccid> sigma__: its not :(
[07:46] <rjohn> It's steady now, but will go crazy soon.
[07:46] <rjohn> Maybe my
[07:46] <rjohn> SHM line in Xorg is wrong
[07:46] <flaccid> well N is not ratified yet i don't think
[07:46] <sigma__> flaccid: yeah dell rocks, but in south sfrica the new units are pricey
[07:46] <mun> Sigma: so what should i do
[07:46] <flaccid> i will have a look
[07:46] <Stevethepirate> sigma_: also from RSA?
[07:47] <rjohn> flaccid: N is not yet ratified
[07:47] <sigma__> flaccid: we tend to use refurbs only which are just as good
[07:47] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: yeah.. its still draft.
[07:47] <rjohn> That doesn't keep the chip makers from making the chips
[07:47] <flaccid> yeah totally
[07:47] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yup, you too?
[07:47] <Stevethepirate> sigma_: indeed.. durbs for me
[07:47] <Stevethepirate> but uni in cape town
[07:47] <Stevethepirate> But the thing is, like, for now I only need 802.11a/b/g features...
[07:47] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yup same here, but uni in durbs
[07:48] <flaccid> have you seen this Stevethepirate http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=515242
[07:48] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: you play dota by any chance?
[07:48] <rjohn> Looks like Thunderbird is going to die on the vine
[07:48] <rjohn> too bad.  I like it.
[07:48] <Stevethepirate> I don't mind waiting for n-support
[07:48] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: apparently the inspiron is alot like the latitude series
[07:48] <rjohn> Stevethepirate: N has huge promise.  I'm in the industry.  Big pent up demand
[07:48] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: no not really the gamer type, i hear its rather addictive!
[07:49] <flaccid> should be able to get it going Stevethepirate: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-449354.html
[07:49] <mun> Anyone Help in wireless detection problem
[07:49] <flaccid> ndiswrapper at this stage i belive
[07:49] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: oh, it's just I know a dude called "Sigma" on the SA battlenet server
[07:49] <rjohn> mun: shoot
[07:49] <sigma__> mun: well post a topic @ubuntuforums.org , theres more people there
[07:49] <rjohn> iwconfig and iwpriv are a good start
[07:49] <flaccid> mun: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[07:49] <rjohn> mun: whats the issue
[07:50] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lol thats the first word in my business name
[07:50] <rjohn> flaccid: ya, good idea.  i've seen a lot where ssid is wrong.
[07:50] <Stevethepirate> lol.
[07:50] <flaccid> well the interfaces file seems to need only localhost in it for user knetworkmanager to scan
[07:50] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i'm also grabbing [on the Dell i'm ordering], "ntegrated Sound Blaster Audigy ADVANCED HD Audio ", that should work right?
[07:51] <sigma__> mun: are you sure no one has had the same problem? usually they solve those probs really quickly
[07:51] <mun> yep
[07:51] <mun> i looked in but
[07:51] <mun> i didn't found the soution
[07:51] <rjohn> KDE4 seems like huge advance, based on mags.  I don't notice huge diff erencces yet
[07:51] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: ouch, one of our pc's has a creative audigy 5.1, it has to stay on windows:(
[07:51] <flaccid> many reasons with ubuntu networking.... pastebin of interfaces will tell
[07:52] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: what OS are u telling dell to install on the pc?
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i.e. it doesn't work on ubuntu?
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i'm asking [phoned them yesterday] if they could install ubuntu
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> hoping they'd give me like R800 back or so
[07:52] <flaccid> audigy is *usually* fine
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> so i can grab another gig of ram [up to 3 gigs] or another 85Whr battery
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: hopefully :P
[07:53] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: well i had to use this script that runs at boot, problem is it only works sometimes and when it doesn't all the media players jam
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: well, i'll be dual booting xp-corporate and ubuntu
[07:53] <flaccid> i got my new dell monitor yesterday w00t
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> but dell think it'll only be ubuntu :P
[07:53] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: try get ubuntu pre-installed, they should give u free support on it
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> Yeah, they actually don't know if they -can- do ubuntu in SA
[07:54] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: I know they do that in america
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> I spoke to the head of some department yesterday.
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: yeah, thats what I said
[07:54] <flaccid> depends on model etc.
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> surely if they do it in the USA
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> and -all- the stock comes from ireland
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> then they can spam some <3 and put on ubuntu
[07:54] <flaccid> well no, each country will have a different regime
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: agreed, they have different "regimes"
[07:55] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: but the support here is pretty limited, i think they only have a office in cape town. but at least they have a pick up and return warranty:)
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: yeah 011-709-7777 :p
[07:55] <omar_> Hi
[07:55] <omar_> I have a problem
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> !ask > omar
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[07:55] <flaccid> call it what you want, of course its going to be different in each country
[07:55] <omar_> Adebt installer does not allow me to install new stuff
[07:56] <flaccid> i just waited 5 weeks for my dell lcd monitor in australia :p
[07:56] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: yeah, but there is surely no difference if the SA dude says to the Irish dude "please install ubuntu, not vista"
[07:57] <Stevethepirate> sigma__, flaccid: whats the delivery time on a dell laptop to liek South Africa?
[07:57] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i have that script i had to use, thing is the stereo sound worked fine but i was using a 5.1 system so it sounded off if the bass didnt go directly to the subwoofer
[07:57] <flaccid> if thats even possible then sweet, if its not then you can't do much i would assume
[07:57] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: I would think they have local stock
[07:57] <flaccid> no idea, i don't know anything about dell SA
[07:57] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i have a DSP already.. i just need HD stero.
[07:57] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i see
[07:57] <omar_> Adebt installer does not allow me to install new stuff
[07:58] <flaccid> please don't repeat
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: of a Inspiron 1720, 2 gigs RAM, 2.4ghz core 2 duo, 200 gig SATA 7200, 8600m GT?
[07:58] <flaccid> !doesntwork | omar_
[07:58] <ubotu> omar_: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> I doubt they have that lying around.
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: how long for that to arrive?
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> I though all non-peripherals come from Ireland?
[07:58] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: surely they dont have to build it at a factory
[07:59] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i have never ordered from dell because i only bought refurb stuff
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i was under the impression it was
[07:59] <omar_> When I use Adebt installer I can't install new programms, because all the programs are not selectable
[07:59] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: shouldn't be that long i guess, they are a service orientated company after all
[08:00] <sigma__> omar_: just use dpkg -i
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: well, if i order now.. i'd like it around 20th Jan
[08:00] <omar_> sigma: what's that?
[08:00] <sigma__> omar_: and download packages from packages.ubuntu.com
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> So that when i go back to uni, I can update [we have a local mirror leg.uct.ac.za :P]
[08:00] <cooly> Hello and Please help *g* After ATI-Driver-Installation (Envy)... Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:01] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: remember the corporates close 4 xmas
[08:01] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: so? If i order -now- like today, it should be fine?
[08:01] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: hows the internet speed at uct? ours is hopeless, u can only violate it during the holidays
[08:01] <omar_> sigma: what is dpkg -i?
[08:02] <omar_> sigma: how do I use it?
[08:02] <flaccid> cooly: we don't support it
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> omar_: its like double clicking on a exe
[08:02] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: are they even open? the sales wing that is. i know most of my suppliers have closed or stopped taking orders
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i phoned yesterday and seemed to get through.
[08:02] <sigma__> omar_: or u can use apt-get
[08:02] <omar_> sigma: oh..ok
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: I get 9meg/sec off the leg server... [for updates]
[08:03] <cooly> flaccid.. It's always a Difference between Support and Helping *g*
[08:03] <omar_> sigma: but how do I use adebt installer?
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> And i use a multitude of tinyproxies to tunnel normal internet traffic through .. so get about 400k/sec at night
[08:03] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i wish our ubuntu mirror was updated, its stuck in edgy:(
[08:03] <flaccid> the difference is irrelevant. look at the topic. there is a reason why we do not support it.
[08:03] <flaccid> !envy
[08:03] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[08:03] <sigma__> envy is dodgy stuff
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> 400k/sec is not bad
[08:04] <sigma__> when dealing with such important components in your pc, always use official ubuntu supported software
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> remember that we have an internal resnet.. about 25-30TB
[08:04] <cooly> ok @ flaccid.. but.. If I installed the ATI-Driver on my Own or use the Kubuntu-Driver.. It's the same fault *g*
[08:05] <flaccid> cooly: so you have used restricted-manager-kde ?
[08:05] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: dam, yeah i read about the uct internet uplinks somewhere, pretty impressive stuff
[08:05] <cooly> yes
[08:05] <flaccid> file a bug, what else can you do with a seg fault...
[08:05] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i'm running the main UCT hub next year.. hope the MPAA don't raid me..
[08:05] <sigma__> omar_: to be honest ive never used it, i download packages manually to install
[08:06] <omar_> sigma: oh.. alright then.. :)
[08:06] <sigma__> oh yes the notorious segmentation fault
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> I get seg faults on DC++ client
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> such failure
[08:06] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: MPAA?
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> Like the BSA
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> of movies
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> motion picture association
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> or whatever
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> if they raided UCT
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> they would make R1.2 billion in fines
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> at least
[08:07] <sigma__> i used to get a segmentation fault in Konversation when i wanted to join a new channel. but it disapeared
[08:07] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yeah but thats not illegal in SA, selling movies is
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i'm trying to set up NAT so that my 4 PC's can all connect through a single PC through a single network point .. such a mission to get DC working..
[08:07] <cooly> ok.. bye
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: its not illegal to own pirated material?
[08:08] <Stevethepirate> is this a sick joke or something?
[08:08] <stdin> !piracy
[08:08] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[08:08] <Stevethepirate> stdin: we are not talking like we "wish to pirate materials"
[08:08] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: ok well thats the end of that discussion
[08:08] <Stevethepirate> i.e. transferring pirated materials.
[08:08] <stdin> Stevethepirate: didn't say you were
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> stdin: okay :P
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: so scp me those illegal files
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> :P
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> just joking
[08:09] <sigma__> stdin: yeah we were discussing more the laws related to it, in our country there are huge holes in it
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: carry on the discussion...
[08:09] <stdin> sigma__: then I should have done !ot ?
[08:09] <stdin> either way, don't :)
[08:10] <omar_> #deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted
[08:10] <omar_> # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
[08:10] <omar_> # newer versions of the distribution.
[08:10] <omar_> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:10] <omar_> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> stdin: sighs.. the purpose of off-topic is quite random.
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> to be honest, if people wanna talk about random stuff, and its not interferring with the main chat.
[08:10] <stdin> !paste | omar_
[08:10] <ubotu> omar_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> i rate let it fly by.
[08:10] <omar_> sorry by mistake..
[08:11] <stdin> Stevethepirate: the purpose of off-topic may be quite random, but the purpose of this channel is not ;)
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: so, u're saying that I can have 1000 movies, and as long as i don't sell them, i'm fine? [this is all hypotheical]
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> stdin: yeah..
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> but #kubuntu is a good disguise for illegal chatz :P
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> stdin: thanks for that KDE4 guide..
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> it actually wasn't as hard as expected
[08:12] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: well according to that law yeah
[08:12] <omar_> When I tried to install firefox using the terminal, the following error appeared:
[08:12] <omar_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48820/
[08:12] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: but lets be honest, police in this country have more important things to do
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> stdin: like. where would you recommend I get nice widgets/ theme's etc for kde4?
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i know 3 people in JHB and 1 in CPT that have been raided for ADSL cap theft.
[08:13] <stdin> Stevethepirate: there aren't really any yet, kde4 isn't even released yet
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> 3 of them [1 CPT  + 2 JHB ] got fined..
[08:14] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: whats ADSL cap theft?
[08:14] <flaccid> omar_: its an invalid line in the sources.list
[08:14] <Stevethepirate> stdin: had a slight problem.. when i started a widget, it was like -stuck- in the middle of the screen
[08:14] <Stevethepirate> couldn't move it.. only close it.
[08:14] <omar_> flaccid: how do I fix it?
[08:14] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: when you use another dude's ADSL account and basically his cap.
[08:14] <flaccid> remove the line in question from /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:15] <stdin> *Notice* To all users of KDE4 packages, you may notice some updates for your KDE4 packages in a few hours. This fixes a couple of issues with starting KDE4 applications from the KMenu and from the Run Dialog, nothing to worry about
[08:15] <Stevethepirate> stdin: had a slight problem.. when i started a widget, it was like -stuck- in the middle of the screen.. widgets were stuck.
[08:15] <DjDarkman> hello I have two machines, with kubuntu, both have ext3 partitions, I copied files containing special charecters like úóüöéá, and when I want to play those music files amarok complains that it can`t open them, but I can copy them back to this laptop and it works, why is this, how can I solve this?
[08:16] <omar_> flaccid: the sources list is empty
[08:16] <stdin> Stevethepirate: I don't see that, I can move plasmoids fine. best place for kde4 support is #kde4-devel
[08:16] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: well thats illegal in any case! i know a guy who works for a isp that does that. well it seems the law has changed a bit - http://mybroadband.co.za/news/General/644.html  however as that law expert says, proving it is rather hard
[08:17] <flaccid> omar_: use adept, re-manager your repos, fetch updates then do what you need
[08:17] <Stevethepirate> stdin: yeah, when i have my KDE4 pc here at work again i'll try it out...
[08:17] <DjDarkman> anyone have an idea? if it help I copied the files trough sftp
[08:17] <flaccid> omar_: your error message says its not empty
[08:17] <sigma__> stdin: did they eventually fix the kde4 taskbar?
[08:18] <stdin> sigma__: fix what about it?
[08:18] <flaccid> DjDarkman: i don't know. but unusual characters don't extend between filesystems for a start little lone protocols
[08:18] <sigma__> stdin: i couldn't right click it
[08:18] <flaccid> i mean let alone protocols
[08:18] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: did u check that link out?
[08:18] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: yeah, basically, they have to prove you are downloading something, to get a court order to get proof that you are downloading something...
[08:18] <stdin> sigma__: there still aren't any options for it, so no right click
[08:19] <omar_> flaccid: yeah I know, I wasn't, but when I veiwed the list I deleted everything and, then tried again but the same error appeared
[08:19] <omar_> flaccid: It* wasn't
[08:20] <sigma__> stdin: i would think that was one of the first options they would have built, kinda arb to leave it to the end
[08:20] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: and the studio has to do it, not any 3rd party representative body
[08:20] <stdin> sigma__: it's mostly just a container plasmoid, not much about it to configure
[08:21] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: so, basically... GO RSA!
[08:21] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i g2g.. bbl.
[08:21] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lol
[08:21] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: check u
[08:23] <sigma__> stdin: but what about the trashcan, taskbar and shortcuts? i hate that taskbar that is in the top corner of the screen, but on the plus side the live cd does run pretty quickly on my pc
[08:23] <sigma__> compared to kde3
[08:24] <stdin> all those things will either be plasmoids or "button" plasmoids
[08:24] <purpleposeidon> hmmm, is 20 kb/s usual? :o
[08:24] <purpleposeidon> for updates?
[08:24] <sigma__> interesting, looking forward to it, pity you can't order kde4 from shipit
[08:25] <stdin> sigma__: one day :)
[08:25] <sigma__> stdin: when do you think kde4.1 will be out?
[08:25] <flaccid_> it would help if it was finished
[08:25] <stdin> sigma__: "when it's ready"
[08:25] <stdin> should be in time for 8.10 release (can't see that not happening)
[08:26] <omar_> When I start adebt manager the following message appears:
[08:26] <omar_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48821/
[08:26] <sigma__> stdin: lol, it amazes me that the new releases run faster than their predecessors, with windows its the extreme opposite, my laptop barely manages to load vista
[08:26] <flaccid_> omar_: do what it says
[08:27] <omar_> ok
[08:27] <flaccid_> if that fails i think your apt db is fuxed
[08:29] <omar_> I did what is says, but the same old poblem appeared again.
[08:29] <omar_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48822/
[08:29] <DjDarkman> how can I 'tanslate' a KDE completely, witch was installed english?
[08:29] <flaccid_> omar_: does cat /etc/apt/sources.list return anything?
[08:30] <flaccid_> DjDarkman: your question might be better answered in #kde
[08:30] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid_: what happen to flaccid
[08:30] <purpleposeidon> There was this one thing online, where you could download self-contained programs, does anybody remember what it is called? It had it's own protocol:/ thing
[08:30] <flaccid_> i got hard :p
[08:30] <sigma__> prob got disconnected
[08:31] <DjDarkman> flaccid_: I think that some packagees that I need are kubuntu specific, or am I wrong?
[08:31] <omar_> flaccid: it returns:
[08:31] <flaccid_> DjDarkman: i don't know what you going on about sorry. i cant help.
[08:31] <omar_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48823/
[08:31] <sigma__> purpleposeidon: define self contained?
[08:31] <sigma__> DjDarkman: what exactly are you trying to do?
[08:32] <Syntra> Hey uhh, anyone have a clue why there isn't any option to boot to Kubuntu after installing Windows?
[08:32] <purpleposeidon> sigma__: Uh, like you downloaded a .iso, and it mounted it, and it had everything you needed to run a program
[08:33] <flaccid_> omar_: thats a borked sources. please overwrite it
[08:33] <flaccid_> !source-o-matic | omar_
[08:33] <ubotu> omar_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:33] <DjDarkman> sigma__: I gave a PC of mine to my father, it has a kubuntu gutsy installed english, but my father doesn`t understand english, and I want to make it hungarian, without reinstalling it
[08:33] <omar_> thanx!
[08:33] <sigma__> DjDarkman: oh yeah then #kde would be the place to ask
[08:34] <flaccid_> DjDarkman: please ask in #kde, im sure its not hard
[08:34] <DjDarkman> ok, hope they can tell me
[08:34] <sigma__> DjDarkman: i pretty sure the kde team deals with translations, not the kubuntu team
[08:34] <sigma__> DjDarkman: im pretty sure they can
[08:36] <omar_> still the same problem..
[08:36] <sigma__> why does canonical never reply to my email requesting to use the ubuntu family logos on my website?
[08:36] <sigma__> omar_: reinstall perhaps?
[08:36] <flaccid_> we can't speak for canonical..
[08:36] <blubb> security.ubuntu.com is down?
[08:37] <purpleposeidon> blubb: Going veerrry slow for me
[08:37] <purpleposeidon> 7kbs
[08:37] <omar_> sigma_: reinstall kubuntu????
[08:38] <whiteda> blubb, not working for me either
[08:38] <sigma__> omar_: yup
[08:39] <omar_> sigma_: oh man!
[08:39] <omar_> sigma_: this sucks!
[08:39] <sigma__> guys you know what we need in kubuntu, a repair feature like whats on that xp cd. where it flushes the system files and re-installs them but keeps data in tact
[08:40] <sigma__> omar_: dont worry ive had my fair share, its all part of learning linux
[08:40] <omar_> sigma_: yeah that's true..
[08:40] <sigma__> omar_: what pc are u using?
[08:40] <Lynoure> sigma__: there is dpkg-reconfigure
[08:40] <Oleander> I want to change from win to linux and am not sure whether to go with ubuntu or kubuntu...what are the differneces anyways. i read that one is on gnome while the other on kde..at the end of the day what should a newbie to linux install?
[08:41] <mitchells00> erm hi.. i have a.. not really a problem more an annoyance... i'm running Kubuntu and when i play variable bitrate mp3's they speed up and slow down.. and tear...
[08:41] <sigma__> Lynoure: what does it do?
[08:41] <mitchells00> Kde is more like windows..
[08:41] <Lynoure> mitchells00: not really
[08:41] <sigma__> Oleander: gnome just looks very ugly (but thats to me)
[08:41] <mitchells00> the feel is.. to me anyway..
[08:41] <omar_> sigma_: and you know what? there's a festival that will be held in my country about LINUX soon, I must attend it..! :D
[08:41] <Oleander> ah ok
[08:42] <mitchells00> gnome to me looks prettier, but i like the option of switching between the 2.. whatever i feel like today is what i use..
[08:42] <Lynoure> sigma__: it reconfigures the packages specified, so if you have messed up some configuration files, it sets them to default.
[08:42] <Oleander> does kubuntu do the transparency on the windows like ubuntu?
[08:42] <sigma__> Oleander: well theres no harm in trying both, not like u have to pay for them:)
[08:42] <mitchells00> now there's an idea.. random DE every boot! xD
[08:42] <Oleander> sigma: true point
[08:42] <sigma__> Oleander: yeah sort of, better stuff is coming in kde4 in jan
[08:43] <Lynoure> sigma__: reinstalling packages can also do similar things, in the cases where you have messed up/removed files.
[08:43] <Oleander> mitchells00: so u have all ur apps on both os? and u boot from the one u feel like using that day?
[08:43] <sigma__> Lynoure: ok im gonna try that on my mock pc but first i need to try mess it up:)
[08:43] <mitchells00> no that's why i'm not a huge fan of ubuntu.. you can't choose to have both..
[08:43] <sigma__> Lynoure: so its not like windows where one glitch means game over
[08:43] <mitchells00> i mainly use Sabayon but i'm on kubuntu to try out LinuxMCE
[08:44] <sigma__> mitchells00: i thought u could use both
[08:44] <mitchells00> woah fildo same connection, same exchange..
[08:44] <mitchells00> weird!
[08:44] <Oleander> kubuntu has a media center?
[08:45] <Lynoure> sigma__: certainly not. Even if you cannot get X to run, there is always the console.  and even if it does not boot, there is possibility from booting from a rescue cd or somesuch and fixing from there.
[08:45] <mitchells00> google LinuxMCE
[08:45] <sigma__> Oleander: depends wat u define a media centre
[08:45] <mitchells00> At the moment it's looking like a POS but meh..
[08:46] <mitchells00> fildo.. do i know you....? xD'
[08:46] <sigma__> mitchells00: can u run LinuxMCE on kubuntu? and how is it?
[08:46] <mitchells00> it can only run on kubuntu
[08:46] <mitchells00> and so far i can't get it to run...
[08:46] <mitchells00> it takes a LONG time to install
[08:46] <sigma__> Lynoure: well thats comforting to hear
[08:46] <mitchells00> :P
[08:46] <sigma__> mitchells00: isnt it still in beta?
[08:47] <mitchells00> i don't know
[08:47] <DonalR> finger DonalR
[08:47] <mitchells00> i think the NEW version is
[08:47] <sigma__> Lynoure: is it possible to access a flashdrive from konsole?  does it auto-mount
[08:48] <Lynoure> sigma__: yes, normally they do.
[08:48] <Oleander> does ubuntu have a media center? or does it too need linuxMCE?
[08:48] <sigma__> Lynoure: how would u open them?
[08:48] <mitchells00> i know this'll sound weird but i think sabayon is far better for absolute beginners, it has all the programs they would ever want, it's quite easy to use and install and lets face it.. i just installed Kubuntu.. it didn't even have firefox.. that's just appauling...
[08:48] <sigma__> Oleander: what do u need the media center to do?
[08:48] <Lynoure> sigma__: and even if it does not, you can manually mount it from command line, too (unless there is something seriously wrong with something)
[08:49] <mitchells00> i know the last word is spelt wrong but i'm tired..
[08:49] <mitchells00>  xD
[08:49] <mitchells00> Ubuntu has almost nothing in it..
[08:49] <mitchells00> they're like windows..
[08:49] <sigma__> mitchells00: u can just install firefox, i use flock, its way better espm in looks
[08:49] <Oleander> so you'd recommend sabayon
[08:49] <mitchells00> definately..
[08:49] <mitchells00> over ubuntu any day..
[08:49] <Oleander> u use that now?
[08:50] <mitchells00> it's a DVD size rather than CD size
[08:50] <mitchells00> yeah..
[08:50] <sigma__> wats so good in sabayon?
[08:50] <mitchells00> the live DVD is even fast enough for me
[08:50] <Oleander> googling it now
[08:50] <mitchells00> it comes with CRAPLOADS of programs built in
[08:50] <sigma__> kubuntu also has a dvd
[08:50] <mitchells00> anything you want
[08:51] <Oleander> what kinda progs were on there u use heaps
[08:51] <Oleander> ?
[08:51] <sigma__> the reason kubuntu is on cd mainly is because most of its users don't have truckloads of bandwidth
[08:51] <mitchells00> and installing more is easy.. it has (i don't know what it's called but it lists all the programs that you want, you tick them and press ok and they auto download and install)
[08:51] <sigma__> its just designed to give u the base system, not all the packages
[08:51] <mitchells00> well i have to say a live DVD is nicer with packages built in...
[08:52] <sigma__> but yes a dvd that auto installed all your desired programs would be goodf
[08:52] <mitchells00> rather than installing every time..
[08:52] <sigma__> good
[08:52] <sigma__> but hey for office use the cd version is perfect
[08:52] <mitchells00> plus sabayon can look FANTASTIC when you have a good video card..
[08:53] <mitchells00> i forget what it's called but it has alot of optional visual effects like vista but.. alot more customizable..
[08:53] <Lynoure> sigma__: if it is konsole you talk about, just   cd /media  then do   ls   to look around,  cd to whatever is the name of you flashdrive. There you are. :)  For plain command line you'll need to mount it yourself, but that's not hard either
[08:53] <mitchells00> just if people want.. xD
[08:53] <Oleander> what kind of visual effects?
[08:54] <mitchells00> 1st and my favourate.. the desktop cube..
[08:54] <mitchells00> :)
[08:54] <mitchells00> control and flick your mouse and you're on another desktop xD
[08:54] <Oleander> cool
[08:54] <Oleander> so u can have 6 desktops going ?
[08:54] <mitchells00> 4..
[08:55] <mitchells00> you can have like 20 but not on the cube..
[08:55] <mitchells00> xD
[08:55] <Oleander> i was thinking top and bottom also :)
[08:55] <mitchells00> no but you can put different wallpapers for them :)
[08:55] <Oleander> awsome. does vista have that
[08:55] <Oleander> ?
[08:55] <mitchells00> no..
[08:55] <Oleander> does mac?
[08:56] <Oleander> looking at screenshots now of the cube
[08:56] <sigma__> Oleander: i found something really cool with the cube - u can play 4 movies simultaneoulsly (one on each screen) and it runs perfectly
[08:56] <Oleander> hahah awsome
[08:57] <sd132> so  the  cube spins on one axis only?
[08:57] <Oleander> is sabayon the only one with cube effect?
[08:58] <sigma__> nope i did that in kubuntu
[08:58] <Oleander> cool
[08:58] <sigma__> with compiz-fusion
[08:58] <Lynoure> sigma__: and you found some way to actually follow all of them 100%? :)
[08:58] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: 10-14 business days delivery...
[08:58] <Stevethepirate> on my dell.
[08:58] <Oleander> compiz-fusion? that a add-on?
[08:59] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: well thats pretty good service!
[09:00] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: how much is it altogether?
[09:00] <mitchells00_> how much is what?
[09:00] <sigma__> his laptop
[09:00] <mitchells00_> oohh :P
[09:00] <mitchells00_> i'm just about to get a new laptop :D
[09:01] <Oleander> sigma: whats this berly thing? on youtube looking at cube on kubuntu and it says kubuntu beryl
[09:01] <Oleander> beryl sorry
[09:01] <mitchells00_> a Dell (yeah i know eww but cheap) Vostro 1500 with 2 GB ram and 128 dedicated video memory :)
[09:01] <stdin> !beryl | Oleander
[09:01] <ubotu> Oleander: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[09:01] <mitchells00_> sabayon has beryl in it..
[09:02] <mitchells00_> that's the cube thing... :P
[09:02] <Oleander> ah ok
[09:02] <Oleander> whats considered a decent vid card to run cube well
[09:03] <sigma__> Lynoure: lol well 4 sound streams was a bit of a mission to decode:) just did it to see how powerful compiz actually was
[09:03] <Oleander> like 128mb dedicated?
[09:03] <mitchells00_> yeah that's fine..
[09:03] <Oleander> cool
[09:03] <mitchells00_> as long as you don't put on too many effects..
[09:03] <Oleander> effects?
[09:03] <mitchells00_> like HUGE flame effects every time you move the window
[09:03] <Oleander> ah ok
[09:03] <mitchells00_> that will LAG you like hell
[09:03] <mitchells00_> trust me.. i've tried :)
[09:04] <mitchells00_> i made them rainbow too :D
[09:04] <Oleander> yeh this utube vid has like water ripples its cool
[09:04] <mitchells00_> they're fine..
[09:04] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: it will be rather cool.
[09:04] <Stevethepirate> If it arrives like on the 3/4 Decemebrr
[09:05] <sigma__> Lynoure: but im waiting for the effects in kde4, compiz still looks out of place in kde
[09:05] <Oleander> am so installing this toniught
[09:05] <Stevethepirate> Like, what are official holidays for us?
[09:05] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yes indeed, how much altogether was your laptop?
[09:05] <Stevethepirate> Like.. i.e. non-working days.
[09:05] <Stevethepirate> R15.1k + VAT
[09:05] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: ouch
[09:05] <mitchells00_> shit netsplit...
[09:05] <mitchells00_> xD
[09:05] <stdin> !language | mitchells00
[09:05] <ubotu> mitchells00: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[09:06] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: hi.
[09:06] <mitchells00_> sorry :(
[09:06] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: thats quite the pricetag!
[09:06] <mitchells00_> R?
[09:07] <Stevethepirate> ZAR
[09:07] <mitchells00_> ok :)
[09:07] <Stevethepirate> South African Rand
[09:07] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: thing is, getting thru dad's company.. so not VAT
[09:07] <Stevethepirate> So, for R15k, that will beat any other laptop in its range
[09:08] <Stevethepirate> Fujitsu-siemens had one for R15k.. only hada 8600GS...
[09:08] <mitchells00_> i can't get pluto to install in LinuxMCE... this is annoying
[09:08] <mitchells00_> it doesen't even work...
[09:08] <Stevethepirate> 8600GT > 8600GS..
[09:08] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: fujitsu is hopeless!
[09:08] <mitchells00_> i'n just gonna go back to sabayon..
[09:08] <mitchells00_> but first dinner :D
[09:08] <mitchells00_> bubaiiz ^^
[09:08] <Hamra> !wine
[09:08] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[09:09] <Hamra> is there a channel for wine?
[09:09] <sigma__> think its #wine or #wine-hq
[09:09] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i have a f-s lifebook.. its been really good.
[09:09] <Stevethepirate> its #winehq
[09:10] <Hamra> thnx
[09:10] <Stevethepirate> #wine redirects to #winehq
[09:10] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i heard they were pretty bad quality
[09:10] <Oleander> so beryl is part of kubuntu installation yeh?
[09:10] <Stevethepirate> compiz-fuzion
[09:11] <Oleander> compiz-fuzion is part of kubuntu install?
[09:11] <sigma__> no it isnt
[09:11] <stdin> !compiz
[09:11] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:11] <Stevethepirate> Wait.
[09:11] <Oleander> ah
[09:11] <Stevethepirate> Thought i was in #ubuntu for a sec
[09:11] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: they have good and bad batches
[09:12] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: like, had that lifebook p3 for like 4 years, no problems
[09:12] <Stevethepirate> but people complain a lot about their desktops
[09:12] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: ok ya that is pretty long
[09:12] <Oleander> ok so after i install kubuntu i have to install compiz...right?
[09:12] <Stevethepirate> Should push out 4k on 3d marks 06
[09:12] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lol all the ones that makro sells:)
[09:13] <Stevethepirate> indeed.
[09:13] <stdin> Oleander: yes, the link ubotu gave has instructions
[09:13] <Oleander> cool thanks
[09:13] <Oleander> understasnd now
[09:13] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: you know theres wireless internet at the airports...
[09:13] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yeah but dont u hav to pay mweb to use it?
[09:13] <stdin> !ot | Stevethepirate, sigma__
[09:13] <ubotu> Stevethepirate, sigma__: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:14] <Stevethepirate> stdin: i'm about to ask him something about kubuntu related to the wireless there stdin
[09:14] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lets just move it to offtopic
[09:15] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: pm?
[09:15] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: join #kubuntu-offtopic , i can't pm
[09:28] <Oleander> sigma: going from windows to kubuntu do i just need to download Download Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) ? or do i need to install linux first...
[09:29] <stdin> Oleander: Kubuntu is a linux distribution
[09:29] <neville> =/
[09:29] <Oleander> stdin: what does that mean?
[09:29] <neville> Kubuntu is Linux =]
[09:29] <stdin> well, no, it's not linux. the kernel is linux
[09:29] <neville> You just download Kubuntu, burn the image, slap the disk into the drive, reset, and off you go
[09:30] <neville> It's a generalisation
[09:30] <Oleander> ah ok. cuz my friend couldnt believe how it can onlt be 700mb for it, when linux is like 6 cds
[09:30] <Oleander> right
[09:30] <neville> If he got things that mixed up, it would be best to keep things vague for starters
[09:30] <neville> =]
[09:30] <stdin> Oleander: all those other CDs are just packages, not "linux"
[09:30] <Oleander> ah ok
[09:31] <Oleander> so theyre a heap of packages for kubuntu?
[09:32] <stdin> tons
[09:33] <Oleander> cool
[09:33] <stdin> in my package list I have 31843 packages available, and that's with no non-official repositories
[09:34] <Hamra> now that you mentioned it, what does kubuntu DVD have more than the CD? is it also a bunch of unnecessary packages?
[09:34] <stdin> Hamra: has most of main on it too, it also includes the alternate and OEM installer
[09:34] <fildo> !kde4
[09:34] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[09:36] <Oleander> what site has a list of all the packaged for kubuntu:?
[09:36] <stdin> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:36] <Oleander> cheers
[09:37] <Hamra> i guess it will prove useful then, thnx
[09:38] <Oleander> does the cd install of kubuntu come with the basics or do u have to straight away get a few of the pacakages
[09:40] <stdin> Oleander: comes with a browser, office suit, graphics view, media player and a few other things
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> hi stdin
[09:41] <Oleander> stdin: ability to network also?
[09:41] <stdin> yeah :)
[09:41] <Oleander> cool
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> does either kubuntu or Ubuntu have a smaller install footprint?
[09:42] <stdin> they are about the same
[09:43] <stdin> there's no real difference in size at all
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> is Xubuntu smaller?
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> I wanna bang it on an eee so I'm chasing small footprint
[09:44] <stdin> xubuntu has a smaller memory footprint
[09:44] <Gogoacquan> hi
[09:44] <Gogoacquan> can anyone help me with kate plzz?
[09:44] <stdin> helps if you say what's wrong
[09:45] <Oleander> stdin: do i need virus protection of kubuntu or ubuntu?
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, give her a slap
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, no and don't try running norton through WINE
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> haahahhahaa
[09:45] <Gogoacquan> i want to change my driver from ati to radeon into the xorg.conf with kate
[09:45] <Oleander> WINE?
[09:45] <stdin> Oleander: virus? what's that? :p
[09:45] <Oleander> ha cool
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> !wine | Oleander
[09:45] <ubotu> Oleander: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[09:46] <Gogoacquan> but i dont have the sudo rights. HOw can i get them in kate???
[09:46] <Oleander> when u run appls through WINE does that slow the app down?
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, kdesu kate <file>
[09:46] <stdin> Gogoacquan: if you can't use sudo then you can't do it, get the user with sudo access to do it
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, it can, they run well though
[09:46] <Oleander> cool
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, wine ./theme.exe ;) I LOVE THEME PARK
[09:47] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: so if i find an app that only has a win and mac installer does that mean id have to run it through wine?
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, yes or Cedega which you pay for
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> !cedega | Oleander
[09:47] <ubotu> Oleander: cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[09:48] <stdin> Gogoacquan: does your user have sudo access?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, http://e-bergi.com/2007/Haziran/resim/csc.jpg
[09:48] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: out of all the apps u run do like 50% run through wine?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, I don't use windows apps at all
[09:48] <Gogoacquan> yes he does
[09:49] <neville> ActionParsnip: wine theme.exe* =]
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> except that
[09:49] <neville> Or, better yet
[09:49] <Oleander> ha cool
[09:49] <Oleander> what web browser u use?
[09:49] <neville> wine /path/to/theme/theme.exe =]
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> oh please tell me theres an open source theme park
[09:49] <stdin> Gogoacquan: then just go to KMenu -> Run Command... and type in "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" (without quotes) and you can edit the file
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, firefox
[09:49] <Oleander> cool
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, gimp = photoshop, amsn = msn messenger
[09:50] <stdin> kopete is better than amsn IMO
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> stdin, I like the amsn look :D
[09:51] <stdin> ActionParsnip: that's exactly what I don't like about it :p
[09:51] <neville> Then skin it
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> stdin, horses for courses eh
[09:51] <stdin> but kopete-kde4 is so nice :)
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> stdin, got a screenshot?
[09:52] <Gogoacquan> its so great it works:)
[09:52] <Gogoacquan> ty^^
[09:52] <Gogoacquan> what is the kdesu command
[09:52] <Hamra> will hardy use KDE 4 by default? or will still come with 3.x?
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, if you are running apps that use gui use kdesu
[09:53] <Gogoacquan> ah ok
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, if you are using comand line (like cp, mv etc) use sudo
[09:53] <stdin> ActionParsnip: I can probably make one
[09:53] <Gogoacquan> do i have to reboot my system now for making the changes running???
[09:53] <emilsedgh> Hamra: no, Hardy will have KDE 3.5.x
[09:53] <stdin> !kdesi
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdesi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <stdin> !kdesu
[09:53] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, it cant hurt :)
[09:54] <Gogoacquan> :) kk thx
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> stdin, can you use kdesu for CLIs?
[09:54] <stdin> yeah you can
[09:54] <Oleander> whats AiXgl ?
[09:54] <Gogoacquan> bb
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> stdin: might just use it all the time and never sudo
[09:57] <FSHero> !ntfs-3g
[09:57] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:58] <FSHero> Hi all: is it safe to use ntfs-3g to write to an NTFS partition to which Windows Vista Home Premium is installed?
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> FSHero, NTFS is NTFS as far as I'm aware
[10:00] <FSHero> ActionParsnip: thanks. I've used ntfs-3g for months on a different computer which has Windows XP installed, and no problems there...
[10:00] <FSHero> ... so I think I shall try with Vista
[10:01] <FSHero> Is there some KDE gui to configure ntfs-3g?
[10:01] <stdin> ActionParsnip: simple screenshot http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1350/kopete1bl0.png
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> stdin: looks pretty cool man
[10:02] <stdin> FSHero: nope, but there is ntfs-config which is GTK+
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> stdin:  cheers for the shot
[10:03] <FSHero> stdin: thanks. I'll try it now :)
[10:03] <Hamra> what is the package for the c libraries? nvidia installer need them, libc?
[10:03] <stdin> Hamra: use the packages
[10:04] <Oleander> stdin: not sure if i asked u this ealier or not but would u recommend i install unbuntu or kubuntu. Side note i love all the cool visual effects so which ever one is better with that side of thigs
[10:05] <stdin> Oleander: I hate Gnome and love KDE, but try both and see what you like
[10:05] <Hamra> i like kde too
[10:05] <Oleander> ok thanks
[10:06] <stdin> Oleander: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE for a quick glimpse
[10:06] <Oleander> k
[10:07] <stdin> you can run KDE applications on Gnome and Gnome applications on KDE too, so the desktop environment is purely a matter of personal taste
[10:07] <Oleander> right
[10:08] <Gogoacquan> i installed the gatos package and tried to watch cable tv over kaffeine but it cant identify the socket for my graca
[10:08] <Gogoacquan> thats so sad:(
[10:08] <Gogoacquan> ^^
[10:08] <Oleander> can KDE be customized to look like Mac OS X Leopard like GNOME?
[10:09] <stdin> it can look like whatever you want it to look like
[10:09] <Oleander> sweet
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, http://www.tuaw.com/2005/12/28/make-kde-look-like-os-x/
[10:10] <Oleander> thanks
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, np :)
[10:10] <stdin> Oleander: my (current) desktop :) http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1708/currentsy4.jpg
[10:11] <Oleander> coool, nice a clean. i like
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> stdin: you have updates :)
[10:12] <stdin> ActionParsnip: yeah, kde4 packages from my LAN repo ;)
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, mine is similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgFJmSp9VQg
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> I got bored and wanted to see how recordmydesktop would run :)
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Its pretty boring but it was late
[10:13] <Oleander> sweet supermario kart
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, best driving game ever!
[10:13] <Oleander> i grew up on that game
[10:13] <Oleander> whats those raindrops...a screensaver?
[10:14] <emilsedgh> stdin: CrystalSVG Icons? i excepted a more customized desktop
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> its part of beryl
[10:14] <stdin> emilsedgh: I like that iconset
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, you can press a key combo and it happens
[10:14] <emilsedgh> stdin: well, i did like it too, but im tired of it...
[10:14] <Oleander> cool
[10:14] <emilsedgh> stdin: did you try nuovext ?
[10:15] <stdin> emilsedgh: I do have my background change every 10 mins ;)
[10:15] <stdin> nouvext, nope
[10:16] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: whats XGL>
[10:16] <emilsedgh> stdin: i was changing it too, but im now using the wallpaper that oxygen team created,,,the Blue one (not from the wallpaper contest)
[10:16] <stdin> !XGL
[10:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:17] <stdin> bah
[10:18] <stdin> XGL is a replacement to the standard X server that takes over Direct Rendering and lets you use 3D effects when your graphics driver doesn't support it (basically)
[10:18] <enry> hi
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, gives 3d stuff
[10:18] <Oleander> ah ok does that come with compiz package?
[10:19] <omar> Guys can someone tell me how 'Ubuntu' exactly pronounced?
[10:19] <stdin> omar: something like 'oooh-boooon-toooooo'
[10:19] <Hamra> ooboontoo i think
[10:19] <stdin> just call it "the brown one"
[10:20] <Hamra> the ubuntu website have its speeling on the first page
[10:20] <omar> LOL stdin :D
[10:20] <Hamra> spelling*
[10:20] <Oleander> poobuntu
[10:20] <stdin> Oleander: no, you only need it when your graphics driver dosen't support 3D effects
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> omar, i say yu-bun-tu but i know its wrong
[10:20] <Oleander> ah ok
[10:21] <omar> ActionParsnip: Yeah me too :D
[10:21] <stdin> I say oo-bun-two
[10:21] <stdin> and ku-bun-to
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> kay-ya-bun-too
[10:22] <stdin> don't forget zoo-bun-two
[10:22] <Lynoure> omar: Watch the sample ogg video that comes with ubuntu/kubuntu, that will tell you, with voice.
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> and flux-bun-too
[10:23] <omar> uh-huh.. thanx :)
[10:24] <stdin> pronunciations in linux don't matter, as long as you can spell it :p
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> stdin, or autocomplete with tab ;)
[10:26] <Hamra> i have no idea how i survived that long with dos and windoze without the tab autocompletion :P
[10:26] <stdin> my tab-key is starting to ware out...
[10:26] <stdin> and the backspace :p
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> Hamra, XP does it too but XP doesnt really use command line for much
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> log in to xp. 1 hand on mouse, i hand in pocket
[10:27] <senorpedro> http://senorpedro.myminicity.com/
[10:27] <senorpedro> http://senorpedro.myminicity.com/
[10:27] <senorpedro> ups, sorry wrong channel
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> with such widespread use of ubuntu, do you think there will be viri made for it?
[10:29] <Hamra> well yeah, its good to use xp in winter, keeps my hand warm in pocket, lol, or make it work hand on linux, which will keep it warm nevertheless :P
[10:30] <Hamra> hard*
[10:30] <Hamra> what's viri?
[10:30] <stdin> ActionParsnip: not much point, a virus could only effect one user
[10:30] <stdin> Hamra: plural for virus
[10:30] <jussi01> viruses?
[10:30] <Hamra> sooner or later, yes
[10:30] <senorpedro> i have a little problem with the xorg.conf http://tinyurl.com/yw97ry does anybody know what is wrong?
[10:31] <stdin> no, virus is latin, so the plural is viri
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> stdin: true and as long as the app affected isnt superuser then it should be ok
[10:33] <Hamra> i dont think though that opensourced systems can be any use for malware makers, it will spread for a small time only, before a solution would be in the repos !
[10:33] <stdin> hmm, did I not ban that guy too, shame on me
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> Hamra, its just that all windows systems are similar at an OS level and there are lots. Ubuntu seems to be taking off hugely and so there will be a similar core of librarys
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> true the security of running as a restricted user is groovy
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> but i think its an interesting idea
[10:35] <stdin> there already are, ubuntu uses debian and debian uses GNU
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> can you see what im saying though?
[10:36] <stdin> yep, and for the most part I agree with you too :)
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> cool as long as i'm not crazy
[10:36] <Hamra> i agree too
[10:39] <Hamra> do you know a tool that checks to see which ports are opened? i suspect my ISP has all ports closed :S
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> Hamra, netstat -a
[10:39] <Hamra> ok
[10:39] <stdin> you ISP doesn't control what ports your PC has open
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Hamra, http://www.computerhope.com/unix/unetstat.htm
[10:40] <stdin> or just man:/netstat in konqueror
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> whats the standard file manager in xubuntu (e.g konqueror)?
[10:42] <stdin> don't think so, xubuntu is GTK based
[10:42] <hungrymouse> when i try and boot to kubuntu, it either says "image not found, booting normally" then gives me my login and password prompt in a console format, and never loads desktop, or it stops halfway through loading everything (still before loading desktop) and nothing more happens. how can i resolve this problem?
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> stdin: it uses Thunar
[10:44] <stdin> ActionParsnip: yep, GTK based
[10:47] <opdensteinen_> h
[10:48] <sd132> macogw, i was in gnome when i made those changes, went back into kde and the refresh rates are back up
[10:48] <emilsedgh> stdin: any news from Jucato? when he will be back?
[10:50] <stdin> emilsedgh: not really, I haven't heard much from him recently
[10:51] <emilsedgh> stdin: he plans to come back?
[10:51] <stdin> eventually
[10:53] <TheFallenOne> i need help with a wifi issue on Kubuntu 7.10. I think it's simple but I can't find a straight forward answer on the forums
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, has it ever worked?
[10:54] <TheFallenOne> I am using a Linksys WMP54G wifi card (chipset is RT2561/RT61) i've notice alot of people having issues with this card and my issue is Kubuntu regocnizes it and I can even connect to the router at 80% but i can't resolve any web pages
[10:55] <TheFallenOne> this is a new install since i'm new to Kubuntu and linux for that matter
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, can you ping web pages?
[10:55] <TheFallenOne> no
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, can you ping your router?
[10:55] <TheFallenOne> shows it as active and everything picks up both wifi locations in the office
[10:56] <TheFallenOne> and i can connect to each of them
[10:56] <TheFallenOne> one sec
[10:56] <Oleander> ActionParsnip> does kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon have compiz fusion already in it?
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, no you need to install it
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, get googling :)
[10:57] <Oleander> ok, yeh was looking on wikipedia and it said it had compiz fusion in Gutsy Gibbon...werid
[10:57] <TheFallenOne> i can ping the router (192.168.2.1) and getting ping times of about 15 to 25ms
[10:58] <sdlnxgk> TheFallenOne, have you added the wireless device to a list of mac address that can access the router? I know I had that problem with mine, after adding it to the list logged on right away
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, ok can we have a paste of your ifconfig
[10:58] <TheFallenOne> the router is completely open no security no mac address filtering
[10:59] <TheFallenOne> action Parsnip one sec and i will post that
[10:59] <TheFallenOne> in a .txt file or straight paste
[10:59] <hungrymouse> does anyone have a solution to my problem of kubuntu not starting or should i just reinstall?
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, can you run glxgears ok?
[10:59] <sdlnxgk> hungrymouse, what do you mean will not start?? no gui or you just get a cli ??
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, log in as normal and try running startx
[11:00] <Oleander> glxgears?
[11:00] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: so when it gives me the command line login i should log in there and then type startx? or is there more to it?
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, run it from konsole
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, you got it
[11:00] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: cool thanks. i'll try that.
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, if it runs you have 3d acceleration which you need for compiz :)
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=642906
[11:01] <Oleander> i can test this on win?
[11:01] <Oleander> i havent installed kubuntu yet
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, no you need to do it on your linux box
[11:01] <SagaciousKJB> TheFallenOne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, going well?
[11:04] <GreatBritain> !nvidia
[11:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:04] <GreatBritain> !nv
[11:04] <SagaciousKJB> Is there a list of those triggers?
[11:05] <SagaciousKJB> I've been sitting here stalking the channel for hours just to see simple trigger words like that.
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> !triggers
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about triggers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> SagaciousKJB, no idea sorry :(
[11:06] <TheFallenOne> sorry about that actionParsnip I'm a night-time NOC for a computer company so I was momentarily occupid. One sec and I will paste results in the link SagaciousKJB gave
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, me too but my servers are in the states and I'm UK :D
[11:07] <GreatBritain> i need to remove an NVidia package from my pc - i installed it to test my friends card.. but now its slowing down my GFX output..
[11:07] <GreatBritain> where can i tell which debs are installed
[11:08] <Hamra> greatbritain: there is an unofficial tool called envy, you can try it
[11:08] <GreatBritain> if they were installed with dpkg
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> GreatBritain, did you use sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:08] <GreatBritain> aparantly thats not installed..
[11:09] <GreatBritain> according to apt
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> GreatBritain, install that and you should be ok
[11:09] <GreatBritain> i want to remove support - not install it..
[11:09] <GreatBritain> i don't have NVidia on this pc
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> GreatBritain, use add/remove programs to remove it
[11:10] <GreatBritain> its not installed
[11:10] <GreatBritain> but 3d games are sayting there is an issue with GLX support
[11:11] <TheFallenOne> ActionParnip http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48827/
[11:11] <GreatBritain> SDL error: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, in konsole tpe: add default gw <ip of router>
[11:12] <hungrymouse> ArrowParsnip: it now wont even get as far as the login thing. it just stops halfway through loading whatever it loads.
[11:13] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: do i need a seperate hdd to install kubuntu on or can i partition one of my drives?
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, well sudo route add default gw <ip>
[11:13] <hungrymouse> *actionparsnip i mean >< lol i didnt bother to read.
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, you can resize but its risky.
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> stdin, can you help please man
[11:14] <Oleander> cuz of the file system?
[11:14] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Let me try that and I'll tell you results
[11:15] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: it now wont even get as far as the login thing. it just stops halfway through loading whatever it loads.
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, you have no where to put the data when you install
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, and if you resize you may corrupt data
[11:16] <juliano> ola
[11:16] <Oleander> ActionParsnip>: okies
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, try booting to "safemode". use F1 at boot to bring up the linux boot menu
[11:17] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: and then use xstart?
[11:18] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, I typed "sudo route add default fw 192.168.2.1" and i was given "SIOCADDRT: No such Process"
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, you should be able to boot to an earlier config
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, can we have a paste of you /etc/network/interfaces please
[11:19] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, yes, one sec
[11:19] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: i'll try that then
[11:20] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, is this a screenshot of the contents of that folder or ls from within /interfaces?
[11:20] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: how big a hdd will i need?
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, at least 5GB for a basic install
[11:21] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Also be aware this is from LiveCD should I install ubuntu before trying to troubleshot this?
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, interfaces is an ASCII text file. open it with your favourite text editor (kate, kwrite etc)
[11:22] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Where would that be located if using livecd
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, kinda as when you reboot the changes will not stay
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, same place
[11:23] <TheFallenOne> all it says in there is "auto lo" and then next line is "iface lo inet loopback"
[11:23] <Oleander> thanks ActionParsnip
[11:24] <TheFallenOne> i went through root/etc/network/interfaces
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, edit it as root (kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces)
[11:25] <TheFallenOne> ok
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, and add auto wlan0
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[11:27] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip just add it to the line below the other to or erase whats in there and replace it with the new info
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, wireless-essid <your essid here>
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, just add it
[11:27] <TheFallenOne> ok
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/6172
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, theres a sample of what you should have
[11:28] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: it doesnt seem to work.
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, I'm not so sure then. stdin is really good at this
[11:31] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: i think i'll just reinstall. there's not really anything important on my ext3 partition; i only installed kubuntu yesterday evening. i'll pester stdin if it happens agen :P
[11:31] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: i have 3 hdds, one with win os and the other two with media...music and video. I was thinking of dumping about 40gb of one of those media hdds on a ext and then using it for kubuntu which is 120gb hhh. my friend said thats a waste u agree?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, cool man
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, sounds fine Kubuntu will mount your Win partitions too :)
[11:33] <Oleander> <ActionParsnip: cool
[11:33] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, When ever I add those lines it doesn't connect and it no longer shows any available wifi spots. when i remove the lines and save it the wifi spots come back
[11:33] <Oleander> so linux will see the win paritions yeh?
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, yeah shoulddo
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, you should restart after adding the lines
[11:35] <Oleander> ActionParsnip>: can i copy say a movie from one of my win hdds and put it on my kubuntu hdd?
[11:35] <SagaciousKJB> Can't you restart it by donig sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, indeed
[11:36] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, But if I restart won't I lose those lines since I'm livecd, Also I only added those 3 lines you mentioned. "auto wlan0", "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and wireless-essid <myID> is that correct
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> SagaciousKJB, i just have them restart. its easier but yes that works too
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, yes :( good spot :). do what SagaciousKJB said
[11:36] <SagaciousKJB> All right, not that I was trying to be smart, I was trying to do it that way earlier and it didn't seem to work.  I think I didn't have the interfaces file configured correctly, so I just made a boot script with ifconfig and route.
[11:37] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Lol no prob. one sec
[11:37] <SagaciousKJB> I find it sort of odd that I was just dealing with this the other day.
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> SagaciousKJB, always more than one way to skin a cat
[11:37] <GreatBritain> running Apache and MySQL wouldn't slow down the graphics refresh on a game would it?
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> SagaciousKJB, good idea though :)
[11:37] <GreatBritain> i only have 512mb
[11:37] <GreatBritain> ram
[11:38] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: so all the music and vid ive dumped on my ext while i installed kubuntu can be put back on that new linux drive?
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, yes indeed
[11:40] <Oleander> sweet
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, Ubuntu can read MANY filesystems
[11:41] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: for future reference, how do i mount hdds onto the live cd version of kubuntu?
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, are they internal?
[11:42] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip yep. when i try and access them it gets all paranoid and gives me this error: hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 999
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, what command / method are you mounting with?
[11:43] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: i click the mount button on the sidebar in dolphin.
[11:44] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: and a friend of mine who uses kubuntu tried something else in Konsole to mount them, and that didnt work either.
[11:44] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Here is a paste of my results. It wouldn't let me use the Kubuntu paste again cause it said i was spaming and needed to JS on but here is the snip
[11:44] <TheFallenOne> http://d.cl1p.net/results/
[11:44] <TheFallenOne> it ran it together but hopefully it's not complete mush
[11:45] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: will win be able to see my linux drive then?
[11:45] <TheFallenOne> http://download.cl1p.net/results/?t=280209653&FILE=0
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, you can get an app to copy stuff. not sure about read
[11:45] <TheFallenOne> try that instead ActionParsnip
[11:46] <TheFallenOne> says unkown file type but just change ext to .txt
[11:46] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: ok cool. from what ive seen i hope to make kubuntu my main desktop anyways
[11:46] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: as far as i know that program allows you to read as well. but dont hold me to that :P
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, remove the entrys in /etc/network/interfaces for wlan0 except the line auto wlan0
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, then do the network restart
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, then use the scanner like a reg user
[11:49] <TheFallenOne> ok i will try that. my shift is over now so i will let you know later if it worked out
[11:49] <TheFallenOne> thanks so much for the help
[11:49] <TheFallenOne> bye
[11:51] <soon> a little of topic: dead simple, Im sure - but check this site: www.rygambulatoriet.dk ... source code is here http://pastebin.com/d2e004e9
[11:51] <soon> I want the table to fill the whole screen (i.e half green and half white) - how to do that ?
[11:56] <ubuntu_> ei
[11:59] <soon> ei yourself :-)
[12:00] <Jay-Oh-En> soon: haha
[12:03] <intelikey> is there any way to power down an scsi hdd ?
[12:07] <ewigergert> how can i disable my webcam? because the LED is on, all the time.
[12:07] <tekteen> intelikey: unmount it. then unplug it
[12:08] <intelikey> tekteen can't umount /
[12:08] <tekteen> the scsi is the root filesystem?
[12:09] <tekteen> intelikey: in that case the only way is to reboot
[12:09] <tekteen> you can not run without the root filesystem
[12:10] <intelikey> tekteen like duh
[12:10] <intelikey> but the disk doesn't "need" to spin for the 14hours not in use either.
[12:10] <noki7> somebody knoe
[12:11] <noki7> somebody know how to change the taskbar in kde4
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy all : )
[12:13] <intelikey> it's no problem to power down an ide disk,  but i haven't found any way to do that with this scsi drive
[12:13] <Jay-Oh-En> sata?
[12:13] <intelikey> sata != scsi
[12:15] <soon> intelikey there is a way I believe ... and if I can just remember it .... hang on
[12:16] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: there it i can power down mine lol
[12:16] <Jay-Oh-En> it=is
[12:16] <tomaz_> (sata <> scsi) and (sata != scsi) && (sata not equal scsi) ^ (sata isnot scsi)
[12:16] <intelikey> Jay-Oh-En what controler card ?
[12:17] <tomaz_> why there's so many diferent simbols for the same thing in diferent language styles? damn those computer scientst language makers.
[12:17] <Jay-Oh-En> what do you mean by that raid?
[12:17] <soon> intelikey .. sorry I was thinking of hdparm which apparently doesnt work for scsi - try googling
[12:18] <intelikey> soon yeah that's what i came up with too.
[12:20] <intelikey> the fact that it's commit interval is like 10 seconds has something to do with it...    there might be a way, IF one can also disable the continueous write cycle.     but i haven't found it yet.     probably require a kernel hack...
[12:22] <intelikey> it's just that i know that a disk spinning at that high of an rpm non-stop will eventually 'just ware out'  and there is no good reason for it to spin when not in use  i.e. no read/write activity.
[12:22] <ubuntu_> hello
[12:23] <Jay-Oh-En> hi
[12:23] <Sp1nN> any 1 know a good tutorial for begginers with shells?
[12:23] <Jay-Oh-En> Sp1nN: running live cd?
[12:23] <Sp1nN> yes
[12:23] <Sp1nN> how do u know?
[12:24] <intelikey> !cli | Sp1nN
[12:24] <ubotu> Sp1nN: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[12:24] <intelikey> anything that you can type into the command line you can put in a script.
[12:24] <Sp1nN> hmm ok
[12:25] <Sp1nN> im a fast learner ^
[12:25] <Sp1nN> Jay-Oh-En:
[12:25] <gnutered> hey all, I'm having trouble getting sound to work in pidgin on Kubuntu 7.10.  Worked on 7.04, but now all I can get is the console beep.  I tried stracing to see if it was trying to access /dev/snd or some such, but that didn't show anything
[12:26] <gnutered> can anyone offer advice?
[12:26] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\necho "hello world @ $USER" ' > my_first_script ;chmod 755 my_first_script
[12:27] <intelikey> gnutered    ^^^
[12:27] <Jay-Oh-En> Sp1nN: me too
[12:27] <gnutered> intelikey: huh?
[12:27] <intelikey> run that command.
[12:27] <Sp1nN> cool
[12:28] <Sp1nN> i just started trying linux yesterday
[12:28] <intelikey> gnutered sorry not you.
[12:28] <intelikey> Sp1nN @ you
[12:28] <gnutered> intelikey: k
[12:28] <Sp1nN> intelikey
[12:28] <Sp1nN> u want me to run tha echo thing?
[12:29] <Sp1nN> in the command line?
[12:29] <intelikey> it will write the script   my_first_script   in your $PWD and make it executable
[12:29] <Sp1nN> ok
[12:29] <hungrymouse> anyone know how to turn off a laptop mousepad's touch-to-click feature on kubuntu?
[12:30] <intelikey> it's the most basic of all scripts.   says     hello world @ <what ever user runs it>
[12:30] <Sp1nN> hmm
[12:30] <Sp1nN> ok
[12:31] <Sp1nN> ok i did it
[12:32] <intelikey> for that you can get the basic idea of several things.   one. streem redirrection  the  > put stdout into a file      two. the way that linux identifies files.  the first line has the  #!/bin/sh  telling the system to use /bin/sh to run the file.    three. the use of variables  $USER  is normally always set to the users login name.
[12:33] <Sp1nN> huhuh ok
[12:33] <Sp1nN> thx
[12:33] <intelikey> np.
[12:33] <Sp1nN> iĺl have to study a bit
[12:33] <intelikey> and like i said,  anything you can do on the command line you can do in a script.
[12:33] <Sp1nN> im an advanced user in windows but im a noob @ linux :P
[12:34] <opdensteinen_> hi
[12:34] <Sp1nN> thats why i want to learn to use the most powerfull OS
[12:34] <intelikey> Sp1nN at least you know the differance.  that's leaps and bounds ahead of some.
[12:34] <Sp1nN> yea ^^
[12:34] <Kohlrabi> Solaris ?!
[12:34] <Sp1nN> m8 gotta go
[12:34] <opdensteinen_> does anyone know how i can copy commands from a wiki into a terminal???
[12:34] <intelikey> Kohlrabi :)
[12:35] <zorglu_> q. when i connect a box with ssh and dont use it for a while, sometime it get stuck, unable to type anything. im forced to kill the ssh client in order to get the terminal back. anyway to make it deconnect or not getting stuck (i control the client and server)
[12:35] <intelikey> opdensteinen_ gpm
[12:35] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: whats gpm
[12:35] <BluesKaj> opdensteinen_, copy & paste
[12:35] <Sp1nN> intelikey cya
[12:35] <Sp1nN> cya jay-oh
[12:35] <intelikey> opdensteinen_ oh. terminal    with in the gui... try left click highlight   dubble click paste
[12:36] <intelikey> dubble/both
[12:36] <intelikey> dubble/both/middle    if you have three buttons.
[12:36] <opdensteinen_> and how do i paste it at the terminal?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> or ctrl+c , then ctrl+v
[12:37] <intelikey> opdensteinen_ both mouse buttons.
[12:37] <opdensteinen_> kk i did always change with alt f1 buttom thx
[12:37] <opdensteinen_> thx^^
[12:37] <intelikey> BluesKaj that is gui specific.  i.e. doesn't work in all guis
[12:38] <BluesKaj> rightclick in the terminal , paste
[12:38] <intelikey> that is too
[12:38] <intelikey> middle click is not.   it's at the xorg level
[12:39] <BluesKaj> well, I have not encountered any situations where it hasn't worked . intelikey
[12:39] <intelikey> but can be overriden by the de...
[12:39] <intelikey> BluesKaj twm for one.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> twm?
[12:40] <intelikey> !info twm
[12:40] <ubotu> twm: Tab window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.3-2 (gutsy), package size 105 kB, installed size 372 kB
[12:40] <BluesKaj> never use it
[12:40] <ewigergert> how to run a script in a terminal?
[12:40] <intelikey> ewigergert sh path/to/filename
[12:41] <intelikey> or if it's not a shell script     <entrupreter> <path/to/filename>
[12:41] <ewigergert> ty, but i want to click on the script and then a terminal should open
[12:42] <intelikey> perl myfile.pl
[12:42] <zorglu_> q. how to generate entropy for /dev/random on a remove server ? (btw would be nice to fix /dev/random one day :)
[12:42] <intelikey> ewigergert then right click it and set it executable
[12:42] <intelikey> ewigergert and the right click context menu will avail much useful functionality in kde
[12:43] <intelikey> zorglu_ /dev/urandom   ?
[12:43] <zorglu_> intelikey: like ln -sf /dev/urandom /dev/random ?
[12:43] <zorglu_> intelikey: this is my current fix
[12:44] <ewigergert> ok, i did it, but now the script is running and i cant stop it, because i cant use strg+c like i can if it is running in a terminal
[12:44] <zorglu_> intelikey: i would like a cleaner one if possible. is there any ?
[12:44] <intelikey> zorglu_ but i think there is an init script  /etc/init.d/urandom start
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[12:44] <[ifr0g]> !backup
[12:44] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[12:45] <intelikey> zorglu_ you can look into that script and parse out the commands you want
[12:45] <zorglu_> intelikey: ok looking
[12:46] <zorglu_> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/urandom <- trying this :)
[12:47] <zorglu_> lets hope one day ted tso will fix this thing :)
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> cat yes > /dev/null
[12:48] <zorglu_> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Dec 19 19:52:46 2007 <- i changed the date on my box and now i got this msg when i use sudo. anybody know how i can fix it ?
[12:49] <intelikey> wait an hour ?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> zorglu_, is the date in your bios correct?
[12:50] <zorglu_> :)))
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> zorglu_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=173505
[12:50] <intelikey> zorglu_ or reboot ?    but i don't like to adcise that.  this is not M$ reboot OS
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> zorglu_, sudo -K
[12:51] <zorglu_> ok trying sudo -K
[12:51] <onishidato> what's that?
[12:51] <intelikey> ActionParsnip umm yeah.   that should work.    i was thinking that he had to have sudoers permisison to fix it...
[12:52] <onishidato> sudo -K, what's that used for?
[12:52] <intelikey> clear the sudo key
[12:52] <onishidato> got it
[12:52] <intelikey> so the user has to reinter the passwd
[12:53] <zorglu_> well in theory it remove the timestamp of sudo )
[12:53] <zorglu_> note the in theory :)
[12:53] <zorglu_> i tried sudo -k and sudo -K as root.
[12:53] <intelikey> actually i think it does an rm ~/.sudo_successful   or some such
[12:54] <intelikey> zorglu_ yeah as root wont help.    try   ls ~/\.*    and remove the file with sudo in the name
[12:54] <zorglu_> rm .sudo_as_admin_successful <- i did this one but still get the msg :)
[12:55] <intelikey> zorglu_ heh.  ok. i'm back to my origenal answer then.
[12:55] <zorglu_> intelikey: ok i will try to reboot
[12:55] <zorglu_> lets hope it works, this is a rented server far from me :)
[12:56] <intelikey> id just wait....
[12:56] <zorglu_> well i got work to do :)
[12:56] <intelikey> do something else that doesn't require sudo
[12:57] <zorglu_> intelikey: ok reboot worked. thanks :)
[12:57] <intelikey> zorglu_ welcome.
[12:57] <katia> ciao
[12:58] <intelikey> i'm went.
[13:05] <kreger> hi all!
[13:05] <jussi01> !hi | kreger
[13:05] <ubotu> kreger: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[13:06] <kreger> thanks.
[13:06] <jussi01> :)
[13:08] <BluesKaj> odd how ppl join and leave without any apparent rerason
[13:10] <JuJuBee> Anybody here use webmin?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, someone was mentioning that webmin was no longer supported on gutsy
[13:11] <BluesKaj> yesterday
[13:12] <JuJuBee> Really, that sucks.
[13:12] <flaccid__> webmin is p00
[13:14] <Jay-Oh-En> what is webmin
[13:14] <JuJuBee> Well, to someone that is somewhat a noob, it helps me configure things.  It has enabled me to start using CLI more to configure, but some things are just still a bit foreign to me.
[13:15] <flaccid__> !webmin
[13:15] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[13:15] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, there must be an alternative /replacement that works better , otherwise why would it be dropped ?
[13:15] <Jay-Oh-En> !info webmin
[13:15] <ubotu> Package webmin does not exist in gutsy
[13:15] <flaccid__> it was dropped because of above
[13:15] <JuJuBee> Thansk BluesKaj, I will look for one.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yeah, I see it
[13:16] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: but what was webmin nobody answer my question
[13:17] <flaccid__> its web frontend to system admin
[13:17] <Jay-Oh-En> and can somebody help me with this i cp my stuff into my /var/www/ dir but nothing gives ive made a dir usng mkdir i made Pictures dir and i try cping to that and nothing gives so what do i do
[13:17] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: know it all
[13:17] <Jay-Oh-En> ciao
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Jay-Oh-En, just google it in google-linux and you'll have your answer
[13:17] <JuJuBee> OK, well then. I have an iptables question.  I have my rules set up, but wish to modify them.  When I made a change, using webmin, the URL's suddenly turned to IP's.  Now it is difficult for me to look at a rule and remember exactly what it does since I don't make a  habit of memorizing the IP of websites.  Any ideas?
[13:17] <flaccid__> haha
[13:17] <Jay-Oh-En> google.com/linux will never fail
[13:18] <flaccid__> ubuntu doesn't support webmin
[13:18] <Jay-Oh-En> JuJuBee: use firestarter
[13:18] <JuJuBee> flaccid_ : im not using Gutsy.
[13:19] <flaccid__> it wasn't supported before gutsy
[13:19] <JuJuBee> Thanks Jay-Oh-En, I will look at it.
[13:19] <JuJuBee> flaccid_, seems to work fine with Feisty.
[13:19] <Jay-Oh-En> JuJuBee: just cause it isnt supported doesnt mean it wont work
[13:19] <JuJuBee> I know.
[13:19] <flaccid__> ok so i guess that means the ubuntu and debians teams were wrong ah well
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Webmin is a web-based interface for system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on
[13:20] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: lol
[13:22] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: your mother must have abused you
[13:22] <flaccid__> gee thats a bit harsh
[13:22] <Jay-Oh-En> jk
[13:22] <Jay-Oh-En> i was just kidding
[13:22] <flaccid__> its a pretty crap joke
[13:23] <Jay-Oh-En> thats a little harsh isnt it
[13:23] <flaccid__> im not offended
[13:23]  * flaccid__ goes to pack a bj0ng
[13:23] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: fasho
[13:24] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: what kind of green you got
[13:24] <Jay-Oh-En> white widow?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Jay-Oh-En, he's in oz , they have different "stuff" there
[13:26] <Jay-Oh-En> like what
[13:27] <techgeek40> Question: Nvidia has a new driver (NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkgl.run) so I type sudo aptitude install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkgl.run
[13:27] <techgeek40> But it won't install
[13:27] <Jay-Oh-En> and can somebody help me with this i cp my stuff into my /var/www/ dir but nothing gives ive made a dir usng mkdir i made Pictures dir and i try cping to that and nothing gives so what do i do
[13:27] <techgeek40> I'm on Ubuntu (Kubuntu) 7.10
[13:27] <flaccid__> um hydro
[13:27] <Jay-Oh-En> thats some bomb stuff
[13:28] <carwash^> techgeek40: i think thats the driver that comes with kubuntu
[13:28] <Jay-Oh-En> we only get that here in vegas from time to time
[13:28] <BluesKaj> techgeek40, wrong command , just do ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkgl.run
[13:28] <flaccid__> sydney 'hydge'
[13:28] <BluesKaj> mostly BC bud , here
[13:29] <techgeek40> Carwash: I'm just downloading and intalling so I can get use to doing it - i'm still very new to ubuntu
[13:29] <Jay-Oh-En> most of the time i smoke stress its horrible bud but its cheap and gets me stoned
[13:30] <techgeek40> Blueskaj: so I basically save the file to a folder (like documents) and in terminal window type ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkgl.run
[13:30] <BluesKaj> <---doesn't smoke
[13:30] <Jay-Oh-En> so nobody can hewlp me with my problem since its such a simple task
[13:30] <carwash^> techgeek40: when you first start kubuntu it will ask you if you want to install restricted drivers to make your system work better, answer yes and they'll isntall automatically. its a "better" way of doing it with regard to future updates and so on
[13:30] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: why not?
[13:30] <DjDarkman> hello, I`m trying to install kde4 rc2 here is what I get: ""
[13:30] <DjDarkman> Setting up kdm (4:3.5.8-2ubuntu3~gutsy1~ppa1) ...
[13:30] <DjDarkman> dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure):
[13:30] <DjDarkman>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[13:31] <DjDarkman> how do I figure out what`s the problem?
[13:32] <flaccid__> Jay-Oh-En: whats the output from the command what command are you using
[13:32] <DjDarkman> nwm
[13:32] <Jay-Oh-En> omitting blah blah blah
[13:32] <BluesKaj> techgeek40, your download default dir is prolly /home/yourusername, open the terminal/konsole (it defaults to that dir) and type the ./nameofnvidiadriverfile.run , then follow the instructions
[13:33] <techgeek40> The file downloaded to desktop actually
[13:33] <Jay-Oh-En> then do cd ~/Desktop
[13:33] <Jay-Oh-En> then do the command he said
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Jay-Oh-En, cuz I quit smoking 10yrs ago
[13:34] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: i dont smoek cigs cause they are bad for you but marijane will never hurt me
[13:34] <noki7> somebody know a l33t translator program for linux
[13:34] <BluesKaj> wanna bet
[13:34] <Jay-Oh-En> hmmm what will it do to me
[13:34] <BluesKaj> more tar in mj than tabac
[13:34] <Jay-Oh-En> no way
[13:34] <Jay-Oh-En> more thc but not tar
[13:34]  * flaccid__ waits
[13:35] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: omitting blah blah blah
[13:35] <flaccid> pardon
[13:35] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: hold on
[13:35]  * BluesKaj doesn't preach , lets ppl learn from their own mistakes
[13:35] <Jay-Oh-En> cp: omitting directory `/home/jon/My.Pictures/'
[13:35] <techgeek40> The reason I'm looking about new drivers - The "desktop" I'm running is the Kubuntu - and the screen saver doesn't work
[13:35] <techgeek40> I set the timer for 1 minute just to see - I get no preview and no screen saver
[13:36] <Jay-Oh-En> i dont think drivers are your problem
[13:36] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: cp: omitting directory `/home/jon/My.Pictures/'
[13:36] <BluesKaj> did you choose a scrnsvr file ?
[13:36] <flaccid> Jay-Oh-En: use the -R switch for recursive with the cp command
[13:36] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: ok
[13:37] <techgeek40> Yes, I did
[13:37] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: it isnt moving
[13:37] <flaccid> why
[13:37] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: its like stuck after i hit enter
[13:37] <Jay-Oh-En> it went down a line and is blank
[13:38] <flaccid> its still doing it...
[13:38] <techgeek40> Hell, it won't even let me do setup. I have the GForce (FX) 5200
[13:38] <Jay-Oh-En> oh really?
[13:38] <flaccid> check the command top in another konsole and see...
[13:38] <techgeek40> Crappy card, but I'm replacing that with the new DX10 card (512 on board ddr ram) come Jan 08
[13:38] <flaccid> you can also use the -v switch for verbose to see each file copy/move
[13:39] <flaccid> am i still abused?
[13:39] <RurouniJones> Don't suppose there is a guide out there on how to install windows having already installed linux and filled up the HDD (so reziing ext3 partitions, installing windows then fixing grub)
[13:39] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: ok it transfered but into the wrong folder
[13:40] <flaccid> ok command was wrong then
[13:40] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: i was only joking when i said that
[13:40] <flaccid> make a decent joke next time
[13:40] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: i want to delete that dir with all the files in it and i want to recopy it to the write folder
[13:41] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: ok well anyways i know how to copy it to the right dir but i dont know how to delete the dir and the files in it
[13:41] <flaccid> if you delete that dir then you can't recopy it because it will be deleted
[13:41] <flaccid> ok
[13:41] <techgeek40> Rurounijones: I actually had to redo my system - but made it easier on myself by backing up my stuff and then partition out three partitons (one for XP - Vista and then Linux)
[13:41] <Jay-Oh-En> i meant the dir in /var/www/
[13:41] <flaccid> just do this rm -R /path/to/the/dir
[13:41] <techgeek40> All three are over 70 gigs apiece
[13:41] <flaccid> rm -R /var/www/dir
[13:41] <onishidato> i want to use the webcam on Kopete. how can i do now?
[13:42] <Jay-Oh-En> ok thanks
[13:42] <flaccid> np
[13:42] <RurouniJones> techgeek40: I thought about that but don't relish having to reinstall two operating systems if I can get away with it
[13:42] <onishidato> they say i must have the jasper converter program
[13:42] <onishidato> but i can't download it
[13:42] <techgeek40> Rurounijones: neither did I - but actually in the long run - it saved a lot of headace, and actually allowed me to clean up the system due to system clutter (and I'm a tech lol I should know better)
[13:43] <RurouniJones> Yea, spose so.
[13:44] <onishidato> i want to use the webcam on Kopete. how can i do now?
[13:44] <techgeek40> Ruroun: but generally once the partitions are in place, they are in place; especially for a filled hard drive - it will be hard to get the space you need for a windows install
[13:44] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: how do i go into verbose
[13:44] <flaccid> probably -v
[13:44] <flaccid> rm -Rv
[13:44] <carwash^> onishidato: plugg it in, and it should work. if you plan on using msn the webcam support in amsn is musch better than in kopete
[13:44] <flaccid> and -f for force
[13:44] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i do -v
[13:45] <flaccid> um rm -Rf /var/www/dir
[13:45] <flaccid> see man rm
[13:45] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[13:45] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[13:45] <techgeek40> Onishidate: a web site for it is here: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support&comzone=showhttp://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support&comzone=show
[13:45]  * flaccid gets abused by his mum
[13:45] <RurouniJones> The partition isn't full, I have tons of space, just allocated the entire HD. I think I'll go with the windows first / linux second approach
[13:45] <onishidato> carwash: but they say i must have a jasper program
[13:45] <Jay-Oh-En> i did all this already obviously i overread somthing
[13:45] <RurouniJones> At least it is familiar ground....(eugh)
[13:46] <techgeek40> Sadly, I did a web search for a util for partitions under linux and what I found wasn't a lot of help - so I just bit the bullet on it
[13:46] <carwash^> onishidato: ive never heard of a jasper program
[13:46] <flaccid> whats your prob techgeek40
[13:46] <BluesKaj> RurouniJones, yes that's the right way , always install windows first then linux , but make the partitions for each OS first
[13:46] <onishidato> carwash: ok, thanks anyway
[13:47] <techgeek40> Flaccid: nothing - just waiting to see if the new nvidia driver installs
[13:47] <flaccid> you want partition program for shell?
[13:47] <flaccid> fdisk?
[13:47] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: i feel smarter now that ive forced my self to use cli
[13:47] <techgeek40> Flaccid: did I step over the line? Sorry - just trying to help
[13:47] <hungrymouse> dolphin cant seem to find my windows NTFS partition... is there a konsole command that will work?
[13:47] <flaccid> nah all good br0
[13:47] <carwash^> onishidato: you need to do sudo apt-get install libjasper1 libjasper-runtime
[13:47] <flaccid> cli rules
[13:47] <carwash^> to install your jasper-stuff (I'm guessing)
[13:48] <BluesKaj> hungrymouse, look in system menu/staorage media
[13:48] <techgeek40> Flaccid: I wanted to install Linux (Ubuntu) first - but found it was more headaches to get it working right and editing the menu.lst
[13:48] <Jay-Oh-En> techgeek40: same with me
[13:48] <techgeek40> BrB - reboot time for my system :<
[13:48] <flaccid> oh yeah i gotta do that tonight myself
[13:49] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: what?
[13:49] <flaccid> set up a dual boot
[13:49] <BluesKaj> !dual boot
[13:49] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[13:49] <Jay-Oh-En> what are you going to be dual booting
[13:49] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: i have. its not there
[13:49] <onishidato> carwash: i have install t
[13:49] <flaccid> xp and gutsy
[13:50] <Jay-Oh-En> ok thats kool
[13:50] <onishidato> carwash: but ii stall can't work
[13:50] <BluesKaj> hungrymouse, install ntfs-3g
[13:50] <flaccid> just so i can use ableton live
[13:50] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: why using xp again?
[13:50] <Jay-Oh-En> ohh
[13:50] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: i got it already.
[13:50] <astan> hrm. anyone been having problems with knetworkmanager and ipw3945 under gutsy? it used to work fine, but now right-clicking knetworkmanager applet shows nothing about my wifi card :/
[13:51] <onishidato> BluesKaj: how can i use x?? the ntfs-3g
[13:51] <Jay-Oh-En> if i ever used windows again it would be to play americas army and use howard stern on my desktop
[13:51] <astan> (even though it's visible with ifconfig/iwconfig).
[13:51] <BluesKaj> hungrymouse, can you see the partition in sys settings/advanced/disk&filesystems ?
[13:51] <flaccid> astan: please pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[13:51] <Jay-Oh-En> astan: somebody in here yesterday had the same problem
[13:51] <flaccid> yeah could be the same i helped that other dude with
[13:52] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: yeah your the guy that was helping him
[13:52] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: yes i can, but it says disabled. that is probably the problem. thanks.
[13:52] <Jay-Oh-En> heck your the guy that was helping me with kdmtheme
[13:52] <flaccid> haha i help most people
[13:53] <Jay-Oh-En> i didnt start seeing you til recently
[13:53] <astan> flaccid: alright, hold on.. problem is i don't have net access on the machine until wifi is up ;)
[13:53] <flaccid> i didn't realise we were going out
[13:53] <BluesKaj> sometimes installing ntfs-cofig works as well, hungrymouse , onishidato..it gives read write permissions/access
[13:53] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: how do i enable the partition?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> err ntfs-config
[13:53] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: lol i meant like in this channel
[13:54] <ere4si> ntfs-3g
[13:54] <flaccid> :p
[13:54] <techgeek40> Back
[13:54] <techgeek40> I have a very stupid question
[13:54] <Jay-Oh-En> no question is stupid
[13:54] <BluesKaj> hungrymouse, install ntfs-config , then you'll get access...
[13:55] <techgeek40> I'm using the FireFox browser that came with the install - but when I get to a page the requires the flash plug in - I do the "install" yet the plug in is not working - how do I get around that?
[13:55] <hungrymouse> i like that logic, jay-oh-en.
[13:55] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: <3
[13:55] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: installing it.
[13:55] <onishidato> BluesKaj: ntfs-cinfig: they say that the program need to be run as root, what's wrong?
[13:55] <bazhang> !flashissues
[13:55] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads.
[13:55] <techgeek40> Is there a way around that?
[13:55] <astan> flaccid: damn. left my usbstick at home, got an example of how a wifi interface should be properly configured in /etc/network/interfaces ? and i can check for any errors..
[13:55] <BluesKaj> use your password , onishidato ...nothings wrong ..it's a security device
[13:56] <techgeek40> And still no screen saver with :<
[13:56] <techgeek40> <---bangs head on desk about five times -
[13:56] <astan> flaccid: maybe i can get wifi working manually with iwconfig/dhclient et.c. just a moment.
[13:57]  * Jay-Oh-En is helping techgeek40 bang his head on the desk
[13:57] <techgeek40> LOL Thank you :>
[13:57] <Jay-Oh-En> haha
[13:57] <techgeek40> I just can't figure out why no screen saver -
[13:57] <BluesKaj> onishidato, you'll only need to enter it once , cuz afterwards it's linked to your login pw , whenever you logon to kubuntu
[13:57] <techgeek40> Graphics adapter is a NVidia FX 5200
[13:58] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: ntfs-config doesnt want to run. do i need to reboot?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> run?
[13:59] <flaccid> astan: um just pastebin it to me and i'll edit it to make it what it should be so it works with knetworkmanager
[13:59] <onishidato> BluesKaj: do we have sudo?
[13:59] <flaccid> its a bit more effort in cli if you have to do wpa
[13:59] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: dude theres already a ntfs driver on gutsy
[13:59] <BluesKaj> relogin, hungrymouse
[13:59] <onishidato> BluesKaj: ** (ntfs-config:7355): WARNING **: Error : This programm need to be run as root. <== it's like this
[13:59] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: he just has to select it when hes enabling the device
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Jay-Oh-En, in some cases it's not working
[14:00] <techgeek40> I've got the Kubuntu desktop - I'm trying to get it so --- how to explain - when I move things around - the applications "waves" I ran into that one time on a first install and liked it
[14:00] <Jay-Oh-En> for me it is
[14:00] <flaccid> use sudo or kdesudo or kdesu depending on what type of program it is
[14:00] <flaccid> !root
[14:00] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[14:00] <BluesKaj> well, we're not worried about you Jay-Oh-En , other ppl are having a problem , ok ?
[14:00] <astan> flaccid: yea. it's just that i don't have net access on the laptop, and left my usbstick at home.. but i'll get the file to you, just might take a little while ;)
[14:01] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: ooooo having a bad day?
[14:01] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: its ok, something seems to be working now, cos im getting an error message about the partition. apparently windows still has it reserved, so i'll have to boot windows *groan* and shut down properly.
[14:01] <flaccid> astan: well put it this way, take out all interfaces but localhost and it will probably work again...
[14:02] <Lacrymology> excuse
[14:02] <Lacrymology> me
[14:02] <techgeek40> Well, I'm outta here - my 5yr old is having her school function (she is getting an award) so I have to go and be the proud daddy (which I am :>)
[14:02] <Lacrymology> I've just upgraded to 7.10
[14:02] <techgeek40> Thanks for the help, folks. ENjoy your day
[14:02] <Jay-Oh-En> excused
[14:02] <techgeek40> I'm sure I'll be back :>
[14:02] <Lacrymology> and I wasnt able to boot anymore
[14:02] <Lacrymology> I tried installing the new kernel and removing the old ones
[14:02] <Lacrymology> but I only have memtest at grub
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Jay-Oh-En, when trying to help others the "works for me " attitude without offering how to make things work , isn't any help to anyone .
[14:02] <Lacrymology> so now I'm logged and chrooted from an ubuntu CD
[14:03] <onishidato> BluesKaj: when i try to browse the ntfs partrition. they say " hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000". what can i do now?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> !works for me
[14:03] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[14:03] <Lacrymology> and.. I would really like to have a kernel installed, and stuff, you know? can someone help me?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> onishidato, reboot
[14:03] <flaccid> !fixgrub | Lacrymology
[14:03] <ubotu> Lacrymology: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:03] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: i was just saying (it wasnt an attitude) sorry yeesh i didnt know it would get your panties all up in a bunch
[14:04] <Lacrymology> flaccid: that's not what happened
[14:04] <Lacrymology> flaccid: grub is there, the kernel image isn't
[14:04] <Lacrymology> root@ubuntu:/# ls boot/
[14:04] <Lacrymology> grub  memtest86+.bin
[14:04] <flaccid> yeah but there is a procedure in there to rebuild grub with what kernels you have in /boot
[14:04] <flaccid> ok 1 sec
[14:04] <Lacrymology> flaccid: no kernels
[14:05] <flaccid> are you in single user mode atm Lacrymology?
[14:05] <flaccid> how you get to shell
[14:05] <astan> flaccid: the line for my wifi interface reads: iface eth1 inet dhcp
[14:06] <astan> flaccid: eth1 should not really be listed at all, should it?
[14:06] <astan> flaccid: if it's to be managed by networkmanager..
[14:06] <flaccid> astan: remove it. then do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart . then restart knetworkmanager then you should be able to right click and select a network
[14:06] <flaccid> correct
[14:07] <Lacrymology> flaccid: I'm logged in from the ubuntu CD and chrooted
[14:07] <astan> flaccid: alright. weird that it has a line there.. must have been since i've been fiddling with the settings for eth0 in the kde network settings.. thanks, will try now.
[14:07] <onishidato> BluesKaj: i havew just rebott, but it still not working
[14:07] <Lacrymology> flaccid: I just did apt-get linux-image-etc, that may work
[14:07] <flaccid> oh right. i guess it would if you changed the root. im not sure sorry..
[14:08] <flaccid> astan: yep thats annoying..
[14:08] <onishidato> BluesKaj: how can i do now?
[14:08] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: the problem was that i was lazy last time i used windows and got sick of it taking 10 mins to shut down, so i did a forced power off. so it still had the partition reserved.
[14:08] <onishidato> BluesKaj:
[14:08] <astan> flaccid: ah, talking from my lappy now ;) thanks.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> sorry onishidato ...dunno how else to help you ...perhaps some other more knowledgable person can help
[14:08] <flaccid> ok coolio
[14:08] <onishidato> BluesKaj: ok, thls
[14:09] <onishidato> hungrymouse: maybe we have the same problems, how can you fix it?
[14:09] <hungrymouse> onishidato: what exactly is your problem?
[14:10] <IppatsuMan> Did anyone tried KDE 4 rc2 installing the .debs on kubuntu.org? Apart from being a beta version, does it coesxist nicely with KDE 3 or will it break something?
[14:10] <onishidato> hungrymouse: my winxp has virus, and i can't get in to take my data. so i use Linux to take it out
[14:10] <carwash^> IppatsuMan: i found it didnt break anything. you can choose to log in to kde3 or 4 in kdm
[14:11] <hungrymouse> onishidato: are you using live CD or an installation of linux?
[14:11] <Jay-Oh-En> are there any web devel apps in kubuntu
[14:11] <flaccid> !development
[14:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about development - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:11] <flaccid> !devel
[14:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about devel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:11] <Jay-Oh-En> html ?
[14:11] <flaccid> !webdev
[14:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about webdev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:12] <onishidato> hungrymouse: i have 2 hard disk, one for linux, one for Xp
[14:12] <Jay-Oh-En> !html
[14:12] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build web pages.  Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and KompoZer(Nvu).  For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com/
[14:12] <flaccid> sorry. um depends what you want Jay-Oh-En
[14:12] <flaccid> there it is
[14:12] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: thats it
[14:12] <IppatsuMan> carwash^: thanks - I did a aptitude -s install and I noticed that the new repository wants to update konqueror, but if it works on KDE 3 too that isn't a problem
[14:12] <hungrymouse> onishidato: and you cant access the winxp hdd from linux?
[14:12] <onishidato> hungrymouse: yes
[14:12] <Lacrymology> ok, now I'm logged from my kernel, but kdm isn't starting
[14:13] <Lacrymology> I just upgraded to 7.10, might that have something to do?
[14:13] <carwash^> IppatsuMan: theres a konqueror and a konqueror-kde4
[14:13] <hungrymouse> onishidato: is the drive actually visible in system menu > storage media
[14:13] <carwash^> the kde4install doesnt overwrite anything of your kde3 isntall
[14:13] <flaccid> Lacrymology: do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop from a tty then run kdm or starx manually
[14:13] <onishidato> hungrymouse: sure, they are FAT32 and NTFS
[14:13] <flaccid> Lacrymology: possible video driver update required
[14:13] <hungrymouse> Lacrymology: i had that exact problem earlier. i ended up reinstalling kubuntu ><
[14:13] <IppatsuMan> carwash^: that's exactly what I wanted to hear :) Thank you very much
[14:14] <Lacrymology> flaccid: yeah, aptitud told me that nvidia-kernel's gonna go
[14:14] <hungrymouse> onishidato: what happens when you click on the drive then?
[14:14] <flaccid> yeah so driver is kernel dependent
[14:14] <Lacrymology> hungrymouse: the cool thing about linux is that you dont need to REINSTALL
[14:14] <Lacrymology> ever
[14:15] <onishidato> hungrymouse: they said "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000" and i reboot, but the same thing happened
[14:15] <hungrymouse> Lacrymology: i know. but i reckoned that it was quicker to reinstall than to wait for an answer, since i only installed yesterday and i dont have anything important yet.
[14:15] <Jay-Oh-En> Lacrymology: depends... you dont ever NEED to but if its the easiest way out most people DO
[14:16] <hungrymouse> onishidato: i was getting that same error, except with uid 999, when i was trying to access my hdd from a live cd. but i didnt have that problem when i'd installed linux. i never found a solution for it when i was using the live CD.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> onishidato, the fstab file prolly needs editing ...flaccid , can you advise ?
[14:16] <onishidato> hungrymouse: i don't use live cd. :D
[14:17] <hungrymouse> onishidato: sorry, i dont know how to solve that problem ><
[14:17] <onishidato> ><
[14:17] <hungrymouse> much less do i actually know what the error message means xD
[14:17] <gnyffel> Does anyone know how long it will be before amarok 1.4.8 is in the backports repo?
[14:17] <onishidato> flaccid: can you help me?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> or carwash^ ?
[14:18] <Lacrymology> hmm
[14:18] <Lacrymology> aptitude shows a bunch of broken packages
[14:19] <Lacrymology> among them kde
[14:19] <Lacrymology> I think I might just have broken a lot of stuff
[14:19] <carwash^> or me what?
[14:19] <onishidato> carwash^: help me with our problems
[14:19] <BluesKaj> carwash^, help onishidato ; hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"
[14:20] <Jay-Oh-En> http://cgi.ebay.com/QUAD-CORE-GAMING-COMPUTER_W0QQitemZ140189693816QQihZ004QQcategoryZ140075QQcmdZViewItem
[14:21] <carwash^> i dunno, probably a wrong setting in fstab or something
[14:22] <onishidato> carwash^: how can i know there is a wrong setting
[14:23] <BluesKaj> genii_, available  for a few mins ?
[14:24] <bucatoamano> i can t find my personal files how can update the database ?
[14:25] <hungrymouse> Lacrymology: if you cant get kde working, how are you using IRC?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> bucatoamano, sudo updatedb
[14:25] <bucatoamano> BluesKaj: thank !!
[14:25] <Lacrymology> hungrymouse: irssi?
[14:25] <hungrymouse> Lacrymology: huh?
[14:26] <Lacrymology> hungrymouse: irssi
[14:26] <BluesKaj> !irssi
[14:26] <ubotu> Irssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help.
[14:26] <Jay-Oh-En> in conky what does ram 24% mean does that mean only 28% is in use or 28% of the mem is being used
[14:26] <hungrymouse> thanks, BluesKaj.
[14:26] <Lacrymology> hungrymouse: the funny thing is that changing the video drivers and startx-ing started kde, but aptitude says kde isn't installed
[14:26] <bazhang> http://conky.sourceforge.net/faq.html Jay-Oh-En
[14:26] <BluesKaj> hungrymouse, it's very useful when X or kdm fails
[14:27] <BluesKaj> lacrymology, maybe kubuntu-desktop needs installing
[14:28] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: should I stop the installing of kde?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> no\
[14:28] <hungrymouse> BluesKaj: i can believe it. earlier on i kept having to boot from a live cd.
[14:28] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: well, I did anyways, kubuntu-desktop is installing it
[14:28] <Lacrymology> now things look better
[14:28] <BluesKaj> it's very cool , hungrymouse
[14:29] <Lacrymology> except for all the stuff I uninstalled.. it'll take me forever to have a working system again
[14:29] <elisiano> I have a question about konversation: when there is a #channel on the chat and I click on it, konversation joins \channel and not #channel... how do I prevent this?
[14:29] <Lacrymology> hungrymouse: I only chat from irssi
[14:29] <Lacrymology> even when in kde, I chat from irssi from a terminal
[14:29] <Lacrymology> it's great
[14:29] <elisiano> Lacrymology: tried weechat?
[14:29] <flaccid> onishidato: is there an entry in fstab for the drive?
[14:29] <Lacrymology> elisiano: nopes, what is it?
[14:29] <onishidato> entry?
[14:30] <flaccid> yes a line for the hard disk
[14:30] <BluesKaj> elisiano, type the text /join #channel in the server text box , not the channel
[14:30] <elisiano> Lacrymology: apt-cache show weechat
[14:30] <onishidato> flaccid: hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[14:30] <elisiano> BluesKaj: I know, I kust wanted to click it
[14:30] <flaccid> what are you pluggin in?
[14:31] <Lacrymology> elisiano: doesn't look that different from irssi
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, 'konversation' is a nice client
[14:32] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: anything with a K i avoid while possible. I don't really like KDE applications that much. Why am I running kubuntu instead of ubuntu is a mystery for myself
[14:32] <BluesKaj> hehe :)
[14:32] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: plus I like terminal programs better than GUI almost always
[14:32] <Lacrymology> exception is aptitude
[14:33] <onishidato> flaccid: huh?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, Purist! :)
[14:33] <Lacrymology> I even do btclient-launchmany and the such
[14:33] <onishidato> flaccid: explain
[14:33] <flaccid> aptitude is a tui
[14:33]  * genii sips a coffee
[14:33]  * genii hands BluesKaj a coffee
[14:33] <flaccid> onishidato: what are you trying to do
[14:33] <Lacrymology> flaccid: that's what I meant. I like adept better than aptitude
[14:33] <BluesKaj> genii, we nedd yer expertise
[14:33] <hungrymouse> genii, surely you mean koffee?
[14:33] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: I just like my RAM being used in the really important stuff
[14:33] <BluesKaj> err need
[14:33] <bazhang> no jucato these many days
[14:33] <flaccid> cool
[14:33] <Lacrymology> like playing music
[14:34] <onishidato> flaccid: just wanna browe it, and get the data base
[14:34] <genii> BluesKaj: I'm back and forth from computer to working but i'll give it a go :)
[14:34] <flaccid> browse what and get what database?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> onishidato, has aproblem access his ntfs partition, message is :  hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"
[14:34] <genii> BluesKaj: Ah,OK
[14:34] <flaccid> have a look at sudo fdisk -l
[14:35] <flaccid> what is the /dev/? for the hard disk?
[14:35] <genii> onishidato: You have which version, gutsy?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> onishidato, you around ?
[14:35] <onishidato> flaccid: /dev/sda7
[14:35] <onishidato> BluesKaj: i'm her
[14:36] <onishidato> BluesKaj: i'm here
[14:36] <flaccid> ok cool
[14:36] <hungrymouse> onishidato: how many partitions have you GOT xD
[14:36] <flaccid> onishidato: pastebin your /etc/fstab please
[14:36] <onishidato> genii: 7.10
[14:36] <BluesKaj> onishidato, good :)
[14:36] <genii> BluesKaj: Looks like they are getting assistance :)
[14:36] <onishidato> flaccid: pastebin?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[14:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:38] <onishidato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48850/
[14:38] <hungrymouse> anyone know how i can stop this stupid tap-to-click thing for my mousepad?
[14:38] <Daisuke_Ido> don't tap so hard :)
[14:39] <marcojay> hi
[14:39] <onishidato> hungrymouse: for xp i have 4 partritions, pof linux, i have 1
[14:40] <flaccid> onishidato: sorry i meant please pastebin the contents of /etc/fstab
[14:40] <hungrymouse> onishidato: are ALL of your XP partitions infected then?
[14:40] <flaccid> you probably want something like /dev/sda7	/media/ntfs	ntfs	user,rw,auto	0	0
[14:40] <onishidato> hungrymouse: yes, all of them
[14:41] <onishidato> flaccid: i don't know
[14:41] <onishidato> flaccid: :)
[14:41] <flaccid> ah well
[14:41] <hungrymouse> Daisuke_Ido: REALLY helpful xD
[14:41] <flaccid> onishidato:  so in fstab: /dev/sda7  /media/ntfs  ntfs  user,rw,auto  0 0
[14:42] <onishidato> fstab?
[14:42] <flaccid> make sure you do a sudo mkdir /media/ntfs; sudo chown `whoami` /media/ntfs; sudo chmod 774 /media/ntfs
[14:42] <flaccid> yes /etc/fstab
[14:43] <flaccid> !ntfs | onishidato
[14:43] <ubotu> onishidato: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[14:43] <flaccid> !ntfs-3g | onishidato
[14:43] <ubotu> onishidato: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[14:46] <onishidato> flaccid: i havew install ntfs-3g
[14:46] <flaccid> which release are you on
[14:46] <onishidato> the newest one
[14:47] <flaccid> no need to install
[14:49] <onishidato> so
[14:49] <onishidato> how can i do now?
[14:50] <flaccid> err
[14:50] <flaccid> do you know how to edit stuff using sudo or kdesu ?
[14:50] <onishidato> no
[14:50] <onishidato> :D
[14:51] <flaccid> ok so do alt + f2
[14:51] <flaccid> then kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[14:51] <flaccid> enter root password. if you do not have one, you will need to see !root
[14:51]  * genii returns coffee in hand
[14:51] <flaccid> then add the entry like i specified
[14:52] <hungrymouse> it occurs to me that us kubuntu users would be stuffed if our K key on the keyboard broke.
[14:52] <flaccid> and runt he command i specified before too to make the dir and assign perms for user
[14:52] <genii> no root password, just your usual password will do in this case, to enable the sudo
[14:52] <hungrymouse> genii, you remind me of my GCSE history teacher. he always drank LOADS of coffee :P
[14:53] <genii> hungrymouse: I basically live on it. that and pizza
[14:53] <flaccid> genii: does it try kdesudo using kdesu ?
[14:53] <flaccid> yeah just do kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[14:53] <genii> flaccid: kdesu just usually uses the regular password
[14:54] <flaccid> serious. hmm i never realised then
[14:54] <onishidato> i will show you my fstab
[14:54] <Jay-Oh-En> genii: good mornin
[14:54] <genii> Jay-Oh-En: Hiya
[14:55] <onishidato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48852/
[14:55] <Jay-Oh-En> im gonna go get some coffee too
[14:55] <genii> He has ntfs-3g and ntfs-config packages?
[14:55] <jussi01> hmmm, anyone know the package for the tun/tap drivers for vpn?
[14:55] <Jay-Oh-En> and some bagels
[14:55] <onishidato> i have
[14:55] <hungrymouse> Jay-oh-en, stop making us hungry. i'll need to go eat lunch again.
[14:55] <onishidato> how hungry you are
[14:56] <onishidato> :)
[14:56]  * genii hands out bagels
[14:56] <flaccid> is it sda1 or sda7 ?
[14:56] <hungrymouse> no pun intended, onishidato :S
[14:56] <hungrymouse> w00t! bagels!
[14:57] <onishidato> sda1
[14:57] <hile__> Руццкие иесть?)
[14:57] <onishidato> i think
[14:59] <flaccid> onishidato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48853/
[14:59] <flaccid> note the addition of the user option
[14:59] <onishidato> rewrite like that?
[14:59] <genii> I wonder if policykit package has been backported from hardy yet
[14:59] <flaccid> yeah i just changed the line at the bottom
[15:01] <onishidato> i c nothing change
[15:01] <hungrymouse> onishidato: he's changed stuff on the bottom line.
[15:03] <onishidato> got it
[15:04] <flaccid> so make sure your perms are right on the mountpoint so you own it and can write to it, then mount it
[15:04] <onishidato> oh
[15:04]  * BluesKaj finishes breakfast , eggs & toast 
[15:04] <onishidato> stil can't
[15:05] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[15:05] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[15:05] <onishidato> ???
[15:05] <dr_willis> i can honestly say that my wife '!dosentwork'
[15:05] <dr_willis> :)
[15:05] <flaccid> why can't you
[15:06] <flaccid> if you have ntfs-3g installed and use that fstab entry you should be able to do mount /media/Air
[15:06] <onishidato> i rewrite the fstab
[15:06] <onishidato> and save it
[15:06] <onishidato> after that
[15:06] <onishidato> i open media/sd5 again
[15:06] <onishidato> but
[15:06] <onishidato> still can't
[15:07] <flaccid> you said sda7 first
[15:07] <flaccid> then you said sda1
[15:07] <flaccid> now whats this media/sd5 ?
[15:07] <onishidato> opphs
[15:07] <onishidato> sorry
[15:07] <onishidato> sda1
[15:07] <onishidato> sorry
[15:07] <flaccid> can't meansn othing
[15:07] <flaccid> wtf happens
[15:07] <flaccid> when you do mount /media/Air
[15:08] <onishidato> ok
[15:08] <flaccid> this is in konsole
[15:08] <onishidato> let me find it my self
[15:09] <hungrymouse> flaccid: i get an almost identical error to what onishidato is getting when i use a live CD; only difference is i get uid 999 insted of uid 1000. should i boot with my liveCD and try it for you?
[15:09] <flaccid> no
[15:09] <hungrymouse> kk
[15:09] <hungrymouse> lol
[15:09] <flaccid> the user option is usually what is missing..
[15:09] <hungrymouse> i'll remember that for future reference :P
[15:10] <flaccid> sweet
[15:10] <pteague_work> anybody know of a good svn gui for linux that has some of the features of tortoiseSVN (such as being able to select which files you want to commit) ?
[15:10] <flaccid> kdesvn pteague_work
[15:10] <flaccid> not sure if it has all those features but
[15:10] <pteague_work> k
[15:10] <flaccid> !svn
[15:10] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[15:11] <flaccid> hmm
[15:11] <pteague_work> any idea how to get the diff tool in kdesvn to display the entire file? not just the changed parts?
[15:11] <pteague_work> or am i just going to have to set it up with kdiff3 ?
[15:11] <rui> oi
[15:11] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: whats your desktop look like
[15:12] <flaccid> um i dual. and use about 3 desktops at once too
[15:12] <flaccid> but its all pretty boring
[15:12] <Jay-Oh-En> OMMG
[15:12] <onishidato> cool desktop
[15:14] <dr_willis> my desktop looks like Windows vista.. because I am using window vista, and i just use xming to get to the linux box. :)
[15:14] <Jay-Oh-En> dr_willis: oh thats what mine looked like before
[15:15] <flaccid> i kind of use this notebook and desktop mainly and switch a lot but its all to be able to multi task a lot of different stuff
[15:15] <eshat> can someone do me a favour and look what command exactly is started when i click on "System Settings" in KDE Menue,... i changed it and don't know how to reset...
[15:16] <dr_willis> isent that the kcontrol ?
[15:16] <eshat> dr_willis: no
[15:16] <dr_willis> or make a new user and look at their menu items.
[15:16] <Jay-Oh-En> this is what mine looks like http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop2.png
[15:17] <hungrymouse> anyone know how i can stop this stupid tap-to-click thing for my mousepad?
[15:17] <eshat> Jay-Oh-En: woow,... what kde version do you use ?
[15:17] <Jay-Oh-En> lol thats what everybody says
[15:17] <eshat> :D
[15:18] <eshat> c'mon tell me
[15:18] <Jay-Oh-En> 3.5.8
[15:18] <eshat> which icon set is that ?
[15:18] <Jay-Oh-En> crystal project
[15:19] <Jay-Oh-En> they have their own website
[15:19] <Jay-Oh-En> type that into google
[15:19] <eshat> can't find it
[15:20] <dr_willis> Theres a touchpad config tool thats not installed by default. ksynaptics or somthing like that
[15:20] <dr_willis> !find synaptics
[15:20] <ubotu> Found: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, gsynaptics, ksynaptics, libsynaptics-dev, libsynaptics0 (and 2 others)
[15:20] <hungrymouse> ah, thanks dr_willis
[15:20] <hungrymouse> mine is a synaptics touchpad, so that'll work.
[15:20] <eshat> Jay-Oh-En: what's that programm that shows all the sys inf o?
[15:21] <Jay-Oh-En> eshat: sudo apt-get install sysinfo
[15:21] <Jay-Oh-En> or in here type /sysinfo
[15:21] <Jay-Oh-En> Sysinfo for 'Scrap-me': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon643000+ at 2100 MHz (4204 bogomips), , RAM: 994/1011MB, 118 proc's, 3.44h up
[15:21] <eshat> Jay-Oh-En: is that the standard KDE Panel on your desktop ?
[15:22] <Jay-Oh-En> eshat: yep
[15:22] <Oleander> Help: downloaded kubuntu iso, burnt it to disk, booted from it and now am getting ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[15:22] <Oleander> dont know what to do fomr there
[15:22] <bazhang> Oleander: this is in the livecd correct?
[15:22] <hungrymouse> Oleander: its not loading kde, by the sounds of it.
[15:23] <Oleander> its asking "to run command as adminstrator (user "root), use "sudo <command>". see "man sudo_root" for detaiks
[15:24] <Jay-Oh-En> eshat: show me your desktop
[15:24] <Oleander> i downloaded the iso from the kubuntu site
[15:24] <eshat> Jay-Oh-En: ohh it looks boring man ,... ;)
[15:25] <Jay-Oh-En> let me see
[15:25] <eshat> Jay-Oh-En: it#s the standard kde desktop
[15:25] <Jay-Oh-En> oh
[15:25] <Jay-Oh-En> why havent you changed it
[15:25] <eshat> no time ,... i am a student and haven't got a lot of time for this
[15:25] <dr_willis> Oleander:  thjere are 2 kinds of the cd's one is a live-cd. the other is the 'alternative' installer cd.  Most likely you have the live cd.
[15:25] <Jay-Oh-En> oh
[15:26] <dr_willis> Oleander:  it seems that the x configuration is some how getting confused with your system, thus no desktop. What is your video card?
[15:26] <Oleander> dr_willis: i downloaded the Live CD yes
[15:26] <Oleander> ati raedon 128mb PCI
[15:26] <Jay-Oh-En> dr_willis: why are you on vista
[15:26] <Oleander> i have a on-board vid card too
[15:27] <Jay-Oh-En> im betting its trying to choose one vid card over the other
[15:27] <dr_willis> Jay-Oh-En:  because the linux hd i had in this box died.
[15:27] <Jay-Oh-En> dr_willis: :(
[15:27] <hungrymouse> dr_willis: when running that ksynaptics thing i get a message telling me to add an option to a config file. how should i actually go about adding it?
[15:27] <dr_willis> waiting for the 1tb sata drives to get cheap.
[15:27] <waylandbill> lets say I want to record from my microphone and have an mp3 be output. Is there a program to do that in one step or do I have to make a wav or pcm and encode it?
[15:28] <Jay-Oh-En> dr_willis: you dont even need that much they are like 300 around here
[15:28] <dr_willis> hungrymouse:  edit the xorg.conf file with a text editor as root. BACKING UP YOUR ORIGINAL FIRST.  then restart the X server.
[15:28] <Oleander> dr_willis: is this more likely cuz its the live cd or cuz of video card?
[15:28] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: do you knwo how to backup your xorg?
[15:28] <dr_willis> Oleander:  hard to tell. I would totally disable the onboard video card in the bios. its POSSIBLE that X is running on the onboard card you just cant see it.
[15:28] <hungrymouse> dr_willis: where, and in what format, should i put the new line?
[15:29] <Oleander> ok ill disable vid card in bios. hang a sec
[15:29] <hungrymouse> jay-oh-en: presumably make a copy somewhere?
[15:29] <dr_willis> hungrymouse:  not sure. I bet its mentioned int he forums :)
[15:29] <The_Machine> how to resize an animated gif file in kubuntu?
[15:29] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: im guessing your not a newbie
[15:29] <Jay-Oh-En> The_Machine: this isnt a search engine
[15:29] <dr_willis> i did that edit befor. a long time ago but not lately.
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> The_Machine: use GIMP
[15:30] <dr_willis> Gimp can make animated gif's correct. It may not be totally 'idiot-friendly' however. :)
[15:30] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En: to linux i am. been using it since yesterday, and already broken it twice xD
[15:30] <dr_willis> Theres also tools that can take a series of .gif's and make them into a animated gif I recall.
[15:30] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: so do you know how to make a copy of the xorg or no?
[15:30] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En copy-paste?
[15:30] <Oleander> dr_willis: where in bios do u disable devices?
[15:30] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: nope
[15:31] <dr_willis> Oleander:  no idea. its your bios. :) explore it.. and see..  ive seen it under pci devices befor in the bios settings
[15:31] <Jay-Oh-En> dr_willis: wheres xorg located
[15:31] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En: i dont know then ><
[15:31] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: hold on one sec
[15:31] <dr_willis>  - /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the file location.
[15:31] <dr_willis> well im off to the store. good luck,
[15:31] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[15:32] <Oleander> dr_willis: found primary video controller on auto ? that must be it i guess
[15:32] <Oleander> has two settings auto/onboard
[15:33] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.BACKUP
[15:33] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En thanks. presumably cp means copy?
[15:34] <Jay-Oh-En> yep
[15:34] <Jay-Oh-En> and rm means remove
[15:34] <Jay-Oh-En> now feel free to edit your xorg
[15:34] <hungrymouse> i know rm lol
[15:35] <hungrymouse> someone said to never do any command given to you with rm in it cos it'll probably break your system.
[15:35] <Oleander> dr_willis: changed vid card to onboard and plugged lcd into onboard vid
[15:36] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En: im really not sure what format to put the option in as. the box says: Please add the option 'SHMConfig "on"' into the touch pad section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:37] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En: but i dont know how to arrange it.
[15:37] <Oleander> dr_willis: sweet it worked. good thinking mate
[15:37] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: he isnt here anymore
[15:37] <Oleander> oh haha
[15:37] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[15:37] <Oleander> well thanks to you also for the help
[15:37] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[15:39] <Oleander> Jay-Oh-En: when i get kubuntu up and running can i disable onbaord graphics card and run my lcds through my pci just like i do on win?
[15:40] <nosrednaekim> Oleander: certainly.
[15:40] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: yeah
[15:40] <Jay-Oh-En> nosrednaekim: darn you beat me to it
[15:40] <Jay-Oh-En> RAWR
[15:40] <Jay-Oh-En> MOO
[15:41] <nosrednaekim> Jay-Oh-En: I have the fastest guns in...... IRC XD
[15:41] <Jay-Oh-En> nosrednaekim: :)
[15:42] <Oleander> Jay-Oh-En: werid the install froze or something on keyboard layout. i cant clikc nack or next only cancel
[15:43] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: weird
[15:43] <Oleander> i aborted install, will try again
[15:44] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: ok
[15:45] <Oleander> Jay-Oh-En: with open office can u open ms documents with it and vice versa?
[15:45] <Jay-Oh-En> yep
[15:45] <Oleander> sweet
[15:45] <seele> does anyone know where the keyboard shortcuts to control function keys are configured?
[15:46] <waylandbill> Oleander: as long as you save in a ms office format.
[15:46] <seele> eg: Fn+volume Fn+brightness
[15:48] <nosrednaekim> seele: for volume, its in kmix
[15:49] <nosrednaekim> seele: brightness, i'm not sure since on my laptop brightness is hardware controlled
[15:52] <seele> nosrednaekim: the brightness control broke in gutsy but i didnt notice until the other day
[15:52] <seele> nosrednaekim: thanks for the info
[15:52] <Oleander> Jay-Oh-En: stuck on keyboard layout again...werid
[15:52] <nosrednaekim> seele: I believe that is a known bug.
[15:52] <Oleander> maybe i should partition to drive b4, but i figured i could do that in the install
[15:52] <pwncity> Why is Ubuntu working when Kubuntu writes this http://kortlink.dk/4mdt
[15:52] <genii> Oleander: Is this some Asus motherboard ?
[15:53] <Oleander> nope dell
[15:53] <jpatrick> seele: yep.. I have that problem too
[15:54] <Oleander> I only downloaded it tonight off the kubuntu site 7.10
[15:54] <seele> jpatrick: it's a big problem for me, because the monitor dims when it goes to sleep.  without the control, i can't brighten my screen on resume
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> seele: I think you can actually change it from the command line with xset.
[15:55] <genii> Oleander: I would suggest to try the alternate install cd and use text install. If it halts during that you can check console 4 of the installer for clues
[15:55] <jpatrick> seele: I can understand that point. I sometimes want to dim when it's late, and one day they just stopped working on Gutsy
[15:56] <flaccid> i think i might get some zzz
[15:56] <Oleander> genii: ok thanks
[15:56] <genii> seele: Did you check the laptop testing wiki ?
[15:56] <hungrymouse> ksynaptics needs me to modify my xorg.conf file, and i have no idea what i need to change. i need to add an option 'SHMConfig "on"' to the touch pad section, but thats as much as i know. can someone tell me how i need to enter this line? i've screwed up the system once already ><
[15:56] <seele> genii: not yet.. hitting IRC before i waste too much time at work :)
[15:57] <Lacrymology> ok, I'm still working on fixing what the 7.10 upgrade broke.. now, on the KDE panel, there's no buttons of the running applications, any ideas?
[15:57] <genii> seele: Aaaaaah
[15:57] <seele> genii: since it used to work and doesnt any more, i just figured it was reset configuration file or something
[15:57] <genii> seele: Likely something with xmodmap or such
[15:58] <genii> work wants me again, /away
[15:58] <Oleander> perhaps this is some werid memory problem. as i aborted install and decided to look into system settings ands its taking forvever to open a window. i have 1.5gb ram
[15:59] <Lacrymology> Oleander: cat /proc/meminfo and check the swap
[15:59] <Lacrymology> Oleander: cat /proc/meminfo and check, anyways
[15:59] <Oleander> Lacrymology: have no idea what u just said sorry
[16:00] <Lacrymology> Oleander: open a terminal, and type 'cat /proc/meminfo' [ENTER]
[16:00] <Oleander> once its unfrozen will do
[16:00] <hungrymouse> oh yeah, that reminds me. what do i press to get that next click kills thing for programs?
[16:03] <Lacrymology> Oleander: it will give you memory info, how much system mem is there in your system, plus how much swap you have, etc
[16:03] <Oleander> Lacrymology: ok ran command am looking now at it
[16:03] <Oleander> memFree 865144 kB
[16:03] <Lacrymology> what about swapTotal?
[16:03] <Oleander> SwapTotal 0kB
[16:04] <Lacrymology> ok
[16:04] <Lacrymology> you have no swap
[16:04] <Oleander> swapFree 0kB
[16:04] <Oleander> what does that mean?
[16:04] <Lacrymology> that you have no virtual memory, and your system's dying a slow painful death (well, not really, but you'll get old waiting for stuff to happen)
[16:04] <Lacrymology> Oleander: do you know what your swap device is supposed to be?
[16:05] <Oleander> no, i dont even know what u mean by swap device ;P
[16:05] <Lacrymology> if not cat /etc/fstab and look for the word "swap"
[16:05] <Lacrymology> Oleander: swap is virtual memory. Is a partition in your hard drive linux uses as extra RAM
[16:06] <Lacrymology> Oleander: ubuntu should've created a swap partition at install time
[16:06] <Lacrymology> so run "cat /etc/fstab" and look for something like this:
[16:06] <BluesKaj> Oleander, swap is a partition on your hard drive dedicated to virtual memory
[16:06] <Oleander> Lacrymology: i havent installed it yet tho just put in live cd
[16:07] <cn28h> or you could just "grep swap /etc/fstab"
[16:07] <cn28h> unless you like being human grep :)
[16:07] <Lacrymology> Oleander: ohh
[16:07] <Lacrymology> ok
[16:07] <Oleander> yeh it was freezing up on the install
[16:07] <Lacrymology> Oleander: then you dont have any swap
[16:07] <Lacrymology> how much does MemTotal say you have?
[16:07] <Oleander> i would get to keyboard layout and couldnt continue
[16:08] <hungrymouse> Lacrymology: live CD doesnt need swap.
[16:08] <hungrymouse> Oleander: you have to wait quite a long time after clicking next on keyboard layout
[16:08] <Oleander> oh really thats normal then? cool
[16:08] <cn28h> Oleander, you can create a swap now, though
[16:09] <Lacrymology> does anyone have any clues why aren't my open apps appearing on the KDE bar?
[16:09] <hungrymouse> cn28h: trust me. he doesnt want to.
[16:09] <cn28h> what? why not?
[16:09] <Oleander> ok restarted install again
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Oleander, when you decide to install the partitoner will ask you how much (usually twice your RAM isa sufficient or a 1Gig minimum) and where the swap partition is to be located
[16:09] <cn28h> oh, it was a fubar'd install
[16:09] <cn28h> yeah, better just reinstall then
[16:09] <hungrymouse> cn28h: creating a swap partition is enough to make you want to break down and cry. letting it do the partitioning for you is less traumatic.
[16:09] <Oleander> usually how long does keybaord layout take?
[16:10] <cn28h> hungrymouse, doesn't have to be a partition
[16:10] <Lacrymology> cn28h: making swap files is even more of a pain ;)
[16:10] <cn28h> hungrymouse, mkswap can make it in a file, and you can use swapon to enable it
[16:10] <hungrymouse> Oleander: i think the longest it took me yesterday with dual core 2.88GHz, and 2GiB RAM, was about a minute or so.
[16:10] <shaka> how do i stop Update Manager, Apt or Aptitude to install OpenLieroX beta 3???
[16:10] <hungrymouse> cn28h: oh? i stand corrected.
[16:11] <Oleander> *fingers crossed*
[16:12] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: thats horrible for dual core
[16:12] <Shaka> how do i stop Update Manager, Apt or Aptitude to install OpenLieroX beta 3???
[16:12] <Oleander> when i finish the install i want to put on the beryl? for the visual effects. is that an iso image also or?
[16:12] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En, i know. but my processor is dusty.
[16:12] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[16:12] <Sp1nN`-`> hi again^^
[16:12] <Jay-Oh-En> hey Sp1nN`-` :]
[16:12] <Sp1nN`-`> how ya doing^^
[16:13] <Jay-Oh-En> good
[16:13] <cn28h> Anyone who uses a broadcom wifi, do you know if Gutsy still has bcm43xx by default or if they've included b43?
[16:13] <Shaka> how do i stop Update Manager, Apt or Aptitude to install OpenLieroX beta 3???
[16:13] <Oleander> hungrymouse: am still on k/b layout...this normal?
[16:13] <hungrymouse> Oleander: probably not.
[16:14] <Sp1nN`-`> jay
[16:14] <Jay-Oh-En> !patience | Shaka
[16:14] <hungrymouse> Oleander: you got the right word length version of kubuntu?
[16:14] <ubotu> Shaka: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:14] <Sp1nN`-`> where are u from?
[16:14] <Oleander> hungrymouse: word length?
[16:14] <Jay-Oh-En> Sp1nN`-`:  las vegas
[16:14] <Sp1nN`-`> cool
[16:14] <hungrymouse> Oleander, 32bit vs 64bit
[16:14] <Sp1nN`-`> im from spain
[16:15] <Jay-Oh-En> Sp1nN`-`: kool
[16:15] <Staticboy4491> im not screaming it at you guys
[16:15] <Staticboy4491> just asking new ppl who come in
[16:15] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En, that patience trigger is good :P
[16:15] <Oleander> hungrymouse: i got PC (Intel x86) desktop CD
[16:15] <Oleander> Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon)
[16:15] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: altho i hate when people used to do that to me NOW i see why
[16:16] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En, yeah.
[16:16] <hungrymouse> Oleander: i'll assume you got the right word length. um. what did you use to burn the ISO?
[16:17] <Oleander> nero
[16:17] <hungrymouse> Oleander: it might have mucked it up. im not sure.
[16:17] <Oleander> mounted it with daemon tools then burnt with nero
[16:17] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: good job with the nero i used that every time and it worked perfecly
[16:17] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: why not just use infrarecorder
[16:18] <Oleander> havent heard of that
[16:18] <hungrymouse> Oleander: i used that one and it was fine.
[16:18] <Jay-Oh-En> do you still have windows?
[16:18] <Oleander> yeh
[16:18] <Jay-Oh-En> can you burn a new disc?
[16:18] <Oleander> yup. but i dont have an cds left only dvds
[16:18] <Jay-Oh-En> that will work
[16:19] <Oleander> ok cool
[16:19] <Oleander> will try that then
[16:19] <hungrymouse> Oleander: on the boot menu for kubuntu, it has an option to check the CD
[16:19] <hungrymouse> try that first
[16:19] <Oleander> ok
[16:19] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/iso
[16:19] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: yeah try the cd check thing first
[16:19] <hungrymouse> oh, by the way, Jay-Oh-En, thanks for telling me to make that backup. I would have broken my system without it.
[16:20] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: your welcome
[16:20] <Oleander> ok checking cd now
[16:20] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En do i need to restart after modifying xorg?
[16:20] <Jay-Oh-En> yes
[16:20] <Jay-Oh-En> no actualy
[16:20] <Jay-Oh-En> you can do this
[16:20] <Jay-Oh-En> ctrl alt backspace
[16:21] <hungrymouse> ah, i thought there'd be a quicker way. thanks.
[16:21] <Staticboy4491> what does that shortcut do?
[16:21] <Jay-Oh-En> restarts X server
[16:21] <Staticboy4491> ah k
[16:22] <orbitize> Hello. When I try to access my windows shares from my linux box, it's asking for a username and password, even tho I havn't set any in windows. Any idea what I can do?
[16:22] <rjune> set a username/password in windows?
[16:22] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: work?
[16:23] <Staticboy4491> did you try not typing in a pass/user and just hitting enter if there isnt one?
[16:23] <orbitize> there is no username/pw set in windows. i have also tried with my windows login/pw, but with no luck
[16:23] <Oleander> hungrymouse: checked cd no errors found
[16:23] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: well then it isnt the cd
[16:23] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En, yep thanks :p
[16:24] <hungrymouse> Oleander, sorry, i dont know what to do then ><
[16:24] <Jay-Oh-En> hungrymouse: what are you trying to do on your xorg.conf
[16:24] <Oleander> am doing them memory test now
[16:24] <orbitize> Staticboy4491: doesn't work, dialog doesnt go away when I hit enter
[16:24] <Oleander> hungrymouse: thats ok, i apprechiate u help though
[16:24] <Staticboy4491> go set a sharing in windows, maybe?
[16:25] <Staticboy4491> sharing pass*
[16:25] <Hamra> i changed my resolution to a higher a one, it is working good, but the login screen is still using the smaller resolution with huge words, how to fix this?
[16:25] <Jay-Oh-En> Oleander: how long did it take you to download the iso
[16:25] <Oleander> 10 mins
[16:26] <Oleander> the disk i'm using to sinatll it on has heaps of crap on it. but i figured during the kubuntu install i could delete/create parition. u think this maybe the problem?
[16:26] <stacey> my Atheros Communications, Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01) worked in feisty but doesnt in gutsy, sound is also gone after update, my only way to get to a network is wirelessly, is there any way to fix all this from vista? download pacakges and install/ chroot?
[16:27] <genii> Hamra: sudo apt-get remove --purge kdm;sudo apt-get install kdm            will make the login screen adopt new default reolution
[16:27] <genii> *resolution
[16:28] <Oleander> should i do an oem install?
[16:28] <Staticboy4491> if you know the manufacturer info
[16:28] <Staticboy4491> but its best not to
[16:28] <Oleander> whats install with driver update cd?
[16:28] <genii> stacey: install the windows ext driver and then you can drop the packages from vista into the linux /var/cache/apt/archives directory
[16:28] <Hamra> thnx
[16:30] <stacey> thx, any idea what packages i need to use to fix the problem
[16:30] <hungrymouse> Jay-Oh-En, i was trying to get ksynaptics to work so i can disable tapping.
[16:30] <Oleander> brb - smoke break
[16:30] <Jay-Oh-En> o
[16:31] <genii> stacey: No idea what packages may be needed in your case, atheros drivers are not usually in restricted drivers
[16:34] <Lacrymology> ok, now I'm having sound driver problems..
[16:35] <TimS> How can I get Stage6 working without media center connectivity, is there a different addon I could use?
[16:35] <TimS> !stage6
[16:35] <cn28h> hm, this has been bothering me for a while -- I somehow turned off the location bar and browser buttons in konqueror and can't seem t ofind the setting to turn them back on.  An ideas?
[16:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stage6 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:35] <Lacrymology> xmms says "couldn't open audio" "please check that your soundcard is configured properly you have the correct output plugin selected no other program is blocking the soundcard"
[16:35] <hungrymouse> your computer doesnt like you it seems, Lacrymology ><
[16:35] <cn28h> Lacrymology, do you have xmms set to use ALSA or OSS?
[16:36] <Lacrymology> hungrymouse: the argentinian kubuntu servers died a while ago, and dist-upgrade did bad things
[16:36] <hungrymouse> ah.
[16:38] <Lacrymology> cn28h: alsa
[16:38] <Hamra> how can i see the ip addresses of the PCs connected by LAN with me?
[16:38] <cn28h> Lacrymology, ok, so I take it soound doesnt work in any other app either?
[16:38] <Lacrymology> cn28h: yesh
[16:38] <cn28h> Lacrymology, does your sound driver show in lsmod?
[16:39] <lorddarkpat_> hi ppl
[16:39] <cn28h> Hamra, netstat ? not sure exactly what you are asking
[16:39] <goonie> netstat -a
[16:39] <Lacrymology> cn28h: no
[16:40] <lorddarkpat_> what's Hamra? heard of it sumwer
[16:40] <cn28h> Lacrymology, hm, yeah that's not good ;P does it show up in modprobe -l ?
[16:41] <genii> !info ndiswrapper
[16:41] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in gutsy
[16:41] <Hamra> its my last name, and means red in arabic, and the name of a street in Beirut. there is 4 PCs linked by a hub, i want to know their IPs
[16:41] <Staticboy4491> you have to install ndiswrapper
[16:42] <Lacrymology> cn28h: soundwave@Optimus ~ $ modprobe -l | grep alsa
[16:42] <Lacrymology> /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/saa7134/saa7134-alsa.ko
[16:42] <Lacrymology> /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-alsa.ko
[16:42] <Sp1nN`-`> hi again?
[16:42] <genii> Hamra: Do you have physical access to the other machines?
[16:42] <Staticboy4491> hi
[16:43] <cn28h> Hamra, if you know their subnet nmap -sP may help
[16:43] <cn28h> Lacrymology, no, not alsa, the name of your specific sound driver
[16:43] <Downix> Hmm, can ubuntu read Solaris UFS drives?
[16:43] <genii> Downix: Yes
[16:43] <Hamra> well yes, but they are currently occupied by people, i'll try the command cn28h gave
[16:43] <Lacrymology> cn28h: and how the hell should I know that?
[16:43] <Lacrymology> lspci?
[16:44] <cn28h> Lacrymology, yes, lspci then find the name of the driver for your card
[16:44] <genii> Hamra: Yes, that will probe the entire range and report back.
[16:44] <genii> Hamra: You need nmap, instead you may want to install knmap since it is the KDE gui to it
[16:44] <Lacrymology> cn28h: it says 00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[16:45] <Lacrymology> but then again everything says "MCP55" something
[16:45] <Downix> genii:  read-only or read-write?
[16:45] <Hamra> thnx all for your help
[16:46] <genii> Downix: I can mount UFS drives created by FreeBSD read-write but Solaris may have some idiosyncrasies
[16:46] <cn28h> Lacrymology, ok, google around and see if you can find the name of the driver it uses on linux
[16:46] <Downix> oh fun
[16:46] <Downix> have a Solaris box here w/o a clue what the root pw is.  Thought to blank it out
[16:47] <Staticboy4491> try you login pass for your user account
[16:47] <cn28h> Downix, boot in single user mode
[16:47] <genii> Downix: No need, interrupt boot then put -s switch for single user mode, no pw needed
[16:47] <Downix> cn28h:  hm, didn't know that
[16:47] <Downix> tyvm
[16:47] <Downix> solaris is still new to me
[16:48] <cn28h> I know this because I've had to do it before for the same reason, haha
[16:48] <Lacrymology> what's the audio device supposed to be?
[16:49] <Lacrymology> is it /dev/what¿
[16:49] <cn28h> usually /dev/dsp
[16:49] <cn28h> for me at least
[16:49] <Lacrymology> hm
[16:49] <Lacrymology> doesn't exist
[16:49] <Downix> I have Kubuntu on my other SPARC
[16:49] <cn28h> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp # <-- should play static
[16:49] <Lacrymology> soundwave@Optimus ~ $ aplay
[16:50] <Lacrymology> aplay: main:545: audio open error: No such device
[16:50] <Lacrymology> well
[16:50] <Lacrymology> lots of errors, actually
[16:50] <cn28h> ah
[16:54] <Downix> trying now, just boot -s?
[16:54] <Staticboy4491> has anyone installed OpenLieroX?
[16:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here use Kubuntu on a macbook?
[16:57] <Downix> ok, still in multiuser mode
[16:57] <cn28h> Downix, are you using openboot?
[16:57] <Downix> yes
[16:58] <cn28h> boot -s should do it then, hrm
[16:58] <Downix> typed in boot -s, it asked for the root password or hit enter for normal boot
[16:58] <cn28h> hm
[16:58] <cn28h> which version of solaris?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, if you need to setup your soundcard : cat /proc/asound/cards , then choose the name of your soundcard thus: sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard". After that i suggest you investigate this site :http://alsa.opensrc.org/Main_Page
[16:58] <Downix> 10
[16:58] <cn28h> oh, it could have changed
[16:58] <Downix> fun
[16:58] <cn28h> I did it with Solaris 7
[16:59] <Sp1nN`-`> I have a question with the live cd i press install and when it comes to the partitionb section itś in blank!!!
[16:59] <cn28h> sounds like it wants a root password for single user mode now.. that seems kind of silly
[16:59] <Downix> maybe this box will wind up with Ubuntu as well
[17:00] <BluesKaj> Sp1nN`-`, what's blank ?
[17:00] <Sp1nN`-`> the window content
[17:00] <cn28h> I ended up installing NetBSD on my Sun box
[17:00] <Sp1nN`-`> blank mean empty i mean
[17:01] <cn28h> I don't know if ubuntu even has a SPARC version :)
[17:01] <Downix> I have it on my other Ultra
[17:02] <cn28h> of course, mine has no keyboard, video, or mouse
[17:02] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: there's no /proc/asound directory
[17:02] <Sp1nN`-`> any ideas?
[17:02] <cn28h> and when I say that, I mean no hardware support for them, heheh
[17:02] <Downix> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[17:03] <Downix> all of my hw is supported thankfully
[17:03] <Downix> not the fastest, mind you....
[17:03] <Sp1nN`-`> I have a question with the live cd i press install and when it comes to the partitionb section itś in blank!!!
[17:03] <cn28h> no, I mean my box literally has no keyboard, mouse, or video -- i.e. physically absent ;P
[17:03] <Downix> fun
[17:03] <cn28h> it's a server box
[17:03] <cn28h> shouldn't be surprising :)
[17:04] <Downix> I want to use my SPARCStation as my server, but OS support for it is... eh
[17:04] <cn28h> ah, mine's a Netra
[17:04] <Downix> I have an SS10 and two Ultra 10's
[17:04] <Downix> also a SPARC Classic
[17:04] <Downix> I get a lot of grief from Solaris guys over the age of my gear
[17:05] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, does ' lspci ' list an "audio controller" ?
[17:05] <Downix> I say if it gets the job done, who cares?
[17:05] <cn28h> heheh, well, my box was manf in 1998
[17:05] <cn28h> at which time the price tag was > $17,500
[17:05] <Downix> SS in 1990, everything else 1994
[17:05] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: it lists an "Audio device"...
[17:06] <Downix> never got the SPARC's audio to work tho
[17:06] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, then choose that audio device name in the command : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[17:06] <cn28h> ah, well, mine doesn't have audio either... hell when I got it it didn't even have any removable media drives haha
[17:08] <BluesKaj> that command creates the asoundconf file
[17:08] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: like this? Optimus ~ # asoundconf set-default-card "nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)"
[17:08] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:08] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: still no /proc/asound
[17:08] <Lacrymology> Optimus ~ # asoundconf set-default-card "nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)"
[17:08] <Lacrymology> Please note that you are attempting to run asoundconf as a privileged superuser, which may have unintended consequences.
[17:09] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, no worries ...that's ok
[17:09] <BluesKaj> as long as you're the only user
[17:09] <Lacrymology> anyways, still no /proc/asound directory
[17:09] <Downix> wait, wait, I got the password!!!!
[17:10] <Downix> got it from the previous owner
[17:10] <Lacrymology> but there's a ~/.asound/asoundconf
[17:11] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:11] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, now this : k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply '
[17:12] <boguh> hi, since the last update of the kubuntu kde4 packages, kde4 is not running anymore
[17:12] <FSHero> Hello everyone: I'm having trouble mounting my Windows Vista NTFS partition using ntfs-3g. I can read from /media/sda2 but cannot write to /media/sda2
[17:12] <FSHero> I used ntfs-config... but it isn't working. What should I do?
[17:14] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: ok...?
[17:16] <FSHero> Hmm... according to this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/widows-ntfs-partitions-readwrite-support-made-easy-in-ubuntu-feisty.html I should get a window listing available NTFS partitions... but I didn't get one.
[17:16] <Bandit12> my previously fine wifi seems to have had a bit of a burp, it will no longer automatically connect to my router. just shows a wired connection inn the bottom right corner instaed of the wifi strength meter. Any ideas (intel 2915a/b/g)l
[17:17] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, do you have a speaker icon in the panel ?
[17:17] <Downix> FSHero: which OS made the partition you're trying to mount?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> FSHero, looks like you might have a grubloader problem ...is vista showing up in the bootmenu ?
[17:19] <sadfasdfasdfasdf> hello i downloaded a game frets on fire now to run it i have to open the terminal, cd to the directoy and type ./fretsonfire. ow can i create an icon in my desktop to open it when i double click it (i dont know the name of this things in english its "enlace" in spanish ^^)
[17:20] <FSHero> Err... Basically Vista came preinstalled :(  and Vista does show up in the boot menu  - I can run Vista fine.
[17:20] <FSHero> On another computer, I can write to my Windows XP partition fine from Ubuntu Feisty i386.
[17:20] <FSHero> (This vista comp. of mine, I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy amd64)
[17:21] <FSHero> (sorry, the XP comp has Kubuntu Feisty i386)
[17:22] <FSHero> Say I try to create a text file in /media/sda2/Users/SomeUser/My Documents/ - it comes up with:
[17:22] <FSHero> "Could not write to /media/sda2/Users/SomeUser/My Documents/temp.txt" (in Dolphin)
[17:23] <FSHero> If i run sudo touch temp.txt in that same directory, it says:
[17:23] <FSHero> "touch: cannot touch `temp.txt': Operation not supported"
[17:24] <hungrymouse> i cant believe im asking this, but is it possible to set it up so that focus switches to a window when you click ANYWHERE on it (as opposed to only on the title bar)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, now you have to configure kmix : open kmix and enable Master & PCM on the output tab , then CD & IEC playback (if listed) in the Input tab , next make sure Mix & IEC958 are enabled in the Switches tab , then click on Settings/Configure Kmix and apply
[17:25] <hungrymouse> Lacrymology, how you doing with repairing your computer?
[17:26] <posingaspopular> how do I get my icon for sound back up?
[17:26] <posingaspopular> it used to be on the lower right hand side of my panel
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Setting Alsamixer in the Terminal ,in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM, Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key
[17:27] <BluesKaj> posingaspopular, right click in the panel. choose Add applet to panel
[17:30] <posingaspopular> ah that's the one I wanted BluesKaj
[17:30] <posingaspopular> thanks, i forgot i locked my panel
[17:31] <BluesKaj> :)
[17:31] <stacey> i tred using adept then  it gave me an error now i cant update/upgrade even by console
[17:32] <sub[t]rnl> !aptfix
[17:32] <hungrymouse> stacey, what does the konsole give as its error message?
[17:32] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:32] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: I don't have a speaker icon in the panel, I'm looking into that kmix thing right now, and hungrymouse: I'm still not having sound
[17:32] <stacey> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the lupin-target package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
[17:33] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: there's no mixers listed in kmix, so no output bar
[17:33] <melkor> Are you guys supporting kde4?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, alsamixer in the terminal ...see what comes up
[17:33] <stacey> aptitude gives that, apt-get just gives E: The package lupin-target needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[17:34] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: alsa is still not finding my soundcard
[17:34] <hungrymouse> stacey, were you root?
[17:34] <Lacrymology> soundwave@Optimus ~ $ alsamixer
[17:34] <Lacrymology> ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.ctl.card'
[17:34] <Lacrymology> and some more of the same kind
[17:34] <stacey> i used sudo
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, 'aplay' in the terminal
[17:35] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: very similar output
[17:35] <melkor> Whenever I update my kernel I have to reinstall my wireless drivers, is there a way to do this without going through the complete process again?
[17:35] <hungrymouse> try CTRL-ALT-BKSPACE (lazy person's version of reboot) and try agen? thats the best I can suggest ><
[17:36] <bazhang> melkor: using ndiswrapper?
[17:36] <melkor> bazhang yes
[17:36] <Lacrymology> hungrymouse: CTRL-ALT-BKSPACE doesn't reboot. Just restarts X.. it doesn't reload the kernel, and stuff
[17:36] <bazhang> melkor: what wireless card
[17:36] <melkor> a dell something or other.
[17:37] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, methinks a soundcard driver needs to be installed ...you should find one on the nVidia site
[17:37] <hungrymouse> Lacrymology: which has much the same effect.
[17:37] <hungrymouse> melkor: intel by any chance?
[17:37] <bazhang> melkor: okay, but without more info, my advice will be like do thisthat something or other--please be more precise
[17:38] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: yeah, that's what I thought, except for the alsa site says it has support for my sound driver
[17:38] <melkor> bazhang well it works fine right now, but when I update the kernel I need to reinstall the drivers
[17:38] <BluesKaj> sure , but if it isn't installed , there's no support :)
[17:38] <Lacrymology> oh
[17:38] <sub[t]rnl> ew, repos are a little sluggish today...
[17:39] <melkor> I almost think I can get away with just copying a directory
[17:39] <hungrymouse> is it possible to set it up so that focus switches to a window when you click ANYWHERE on it (as opposed to only on the title bar)
[17:39] <omar_> Hello people, I'm finding trouble installing flash player
[17:39] <bazhang> melkor: either you want help or you dont--my question was what card--I need that info to help you
[17:39] <hungrymouse> omar_, for which browser?
[17:39] <melkor> bazhang one sec Ill find it.
[17:39] <omar_> hungrymouse: For firefox
[17:40] <sub[t]rnl> hungrymouse➜ using compiz?
[17:40] <hungrymouse> omar_, go to a page that uses flash and then let it install itself.
[17:40] <hungrymouse> sub[t]rnl nope. i got it installed, but i dont use it.
[17:40] <bazhang> !flashissues | omar
[17:40] <ubotu> omar: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads.
[17:40] <hungrymouse> bazhang, the flash install worked fine for me about 2 hours ago.
[17:41] <sub[t]rnl> hungrymouse➜kcontrol -> window behavior
[17:41] <omar_> I did that, but it only gave me page with many choices (tar.gz, rpm.. etc)
[17:41] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, your soundcard driver would have been recognized if it was supported.Therefore I think it may need upgrading
[17:42] <bazhang> hungrymouse: how did you install it? from adobe or from the repos?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> bazhang, does the flashplugin-nonfree from feisty work ?
[17:42] <omar_> hungrymouse: it gives me this page, http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[17:42] <hungrymouse> sub[t]rnl, where do i find kcontrol
[17:43] <sub[t]rnl> hungrymouse➜ alt +f2 then kcontrol, or run it from konsole
[17:43] <Hamra> omar_: you mean you're in adobe's website? if so, you dont need this since firefox automatically download and install the plugin
[17:43] <hungrymouse> omar_ i just cliked the "you have missing plugins" thing and let it install itself. it didnt take me to a page
[17:43] <bazhang> BluesKaj: I thought it was in backports
[17:43] <BluesKaj> medibuntu
[17:43] <melkor> Dell Wireless 1395 802.11
[17:43] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:43] <melkor> bazhang my wireless card is Dell Wireless 1395 802.11
[17:44] <omar_> hungrymouse: It doesn't appear here
[17:44] <bazhang> melkor: are you using it now?
[17:44] <melkor> bazhang no I am using a cable
[17:44] <melkor> bazhang but I could use it.
[17:45] <bazhang> melkor: sorry; are you using that computer now?
[17:45] <melkor> bazhang yes
[17:45]  * gukk_devel is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
[17:45] <bazhang> melkor: open up Konsole and type lspci
[17:45] <hungrymouse> sub[t]rnl: i cant find anything in window behaviour that works ><
[17:45] <bazhang> melkor: but dont paste it here--just tell me the wireless card name and number
[17:45] <melkor> k
[17:46] <melkor>  Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan
[17:47] <omar_> hungrymouse: how do I install rpm packages?
[17:47] <jussi01> !broadcom
[17:47] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[17:47] <BluesKaj> !flashfix
[17:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:47] <jussi01> !rpm
[17:47] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[17:47] <sigma_kubuntu> u need the drivers. i think u can use ndiswrapper
[17:47] <hungrymouse> omar_ um... no idea ><
[17:47] <bazhang> melkor: have you read that wiki?
[17:47] <FSHero> How can I make ntfs-3g write to my Vista's NTFS partition? I cannot seem to do this atm, even though I used ntfs-config.
[17:48] <omar_> What about tar.gz packages??
[17:48] <sigma_kubuntu> perhaps switch entirely to kubuntu:)
[17:49] <Xbehave> ive got no sound, anyideas how i go about fixing it?
[17:49] <sub[t]rnl> omar_➜tar -zxvf file.tar.gz
[17:49] <sub[t]rnl> !sound > Xbehave
[17:50] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: its supposed 2b built in support. did u check the disks and file systems page in kcontrol?
[17:50] <de84ttol> hi
[17:50] <sub[t]rnl> !ping
[17:50] <ubotu> pong
[17:50] <sub[t]rnl> !sound | Xbehave
[17:50] <ubotu> Xbehave: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[17:50] <melkor> bazang I don't think I've read 'that' one.  At a glance it says how to use the BC43XX drivers instead of disabling them an dusing ndis?
[17:51] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: shouldn't a drivers list appear in adept?
[17:51] <Lacrymology> I can't see anything..
[17:51] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: the writable box should be checked for the hdd
[17:52] <melkor> bazhang are you familiar with using this technique.  I think I have the BC43XX driver blacklisted.?
[17:52] <de84ttol> i dont how to install program in kubuntu
[17:53] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: thanks for the reply; I was daydreaming in Firefox. Let me check...
[17:53] <sub[t]rnl> !adept | de84ttol
[17:53] <ubotu> de84ttol: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[17:53] <de84ttol> my pc dun have even the mp3 codecs
[17:53] <de84ttol> rrrr
[17:53] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: lol
[17:53] <jussi01> !mp3 | de84ttol
[17:53] <ubotu> de84ttol: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:53] <bazhang> melkor: that wiki may be uptodate (not sure) but the ubuntuforums surely are--tons of links on how to do that--even a walkthrough that you could likely printout
[17:54] <de84ttol> thanks
[17:54] <jussi01> :)
[17:54] <BluesKaj> Lacrymology, go directly to the nvidia driver website and download the driver required for your card to /home/yourusername
[17:54] <sigma_kubuntu> de84ttol: u wont find that in prob any distro. due to legal issues involved
[17:55] <de84ttol> well im just using window before
[17:55] <melkor> bazhang, You see my wireless works fine its just everytime I update the kernel I get the same thing.  Ill try this firmware method and see if it changes.
[17:55] <jussi01> !compile > omar_
[17:55] <de84ttol> and get bored with window
[17:55] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: It lists my two devices: /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. Neither of them are mounted: when I double-click sda2, the mount-point box has "<mount point>" in it.
[17:56] <FSHero> Let me try to set up a pastebin
[17:56] <bazhang> melkor: well just hold back on updating the kernel :}
[17:56] <BluesKaj> FSHero, make sure you have FUSE installed
[17:56] <melkor> bazhang, I agree whats the use of going from 2.22.xx.44 to 2.22.xx.45
[17:56] <sigma_kubuntu> BluesKaj: whats Fuse?
[17:57] <bazhang> melkor: exactly--and there are apparent problems with some users in the latest update--if it's not broke... :}
[17:57] <FSHero> crap, I can't find a way to upload pics to Ubuntu's pastebin. NM...
[17:57] <FSHero> BluesKaj: I think I have FUSE installed: when I run "lsmod |grep fuse" it comes up with:
[17:57] <FSHero> fuse                   52528  5
[17:57] <marx2k> How do I find out what's new with the latest kernel upgrade?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> sigma_kubuntu, http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
[17:58]  * ScorpKing jumps up and down and wave to everyone.. ;)
[17:58] <sigma_kubuntu> BluesKaj: doesnt that come standard with gutsy?
[17:58] <FSHero> I'm just thinking... maybe I should put enter a mount point (e.g. /media/windows) into that Kcontrol box
[17:59] <ScorpKing> marx2k: look at the changelog on the website
[17:59] <marx2k> yes but where on the website
[17:59] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: if none of ur hdds are mounted where is kubuntu running from?
[17:59] <acidity> Hi. what would the easiest way to recursively traverse a directory and change all .htm files to .php files?
[17:59] <BluesKaj> sigma_kubuntu, some of the std gutsy apps aren't working in some setups ...they maybe installed but require helper apps in some cases
[17:59] <acidity> mv *.htm *.php, dosnt work :(
[18:00] <sigma_kubuntu> Fshero: yeah u cud try that
[18:00] <ScorpKing> marx2k: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.23.12 for that kernel
[18:00] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: only my ntfs partitions are not mounted! I'm running it on /dev/sda4, an ext3 partition
[18:00] <ojpitre> \q
[18:00] <marx2k> thanks
[18:00] <ScorpKing> yw
[18:00] <BluesKaj> BBL ..lunch
[18:01] <FSHero> actually... perhaps I should say that I was mucking around with umount and mount -a earlier. If I have a 'fresh' reboot, I can access the files on these drives read-only.
[18:01] <FSHero> Any, to kcontrol I go.
[18:01] <Lacrymology> BluesKaj: they don't have it.. for real
[18:01] <ScorpKing> FSHero: if you have read-only access change the permissions
[18:02] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: i see . wel create a mount point (try put it in your home folder) and try mount it
[18:03] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: ive never tried writing 2ntfs. use with caution. it may cause data loss
[18:03] <FSHero> ScorpKing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48895/ is the output of mount
[18:04] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: I've used ntfs-3g with Kubuntu Feisty i386 on an XP partition: it's been okay for months, so I'm going to risk it here ;)
[18:04] <acee1234> im running 7.10 kubuntu and when i start the system and everything is autmatically opening froma previous session everything loads quickly but after its done and after i enter passwords for everything if i try to open any new program or window the screen darkens for a bit then opens the program taking considerably longer than normal. any ideas?
[18:05] <sigma_kubuntu> ok well at least u used it successfuly before!
[18:05] <ScorpKing> FSHero: like i said, change the permissions if it's a problem. mount options won't solve it
[18:05] <seezer> sigma_kubuntu: ntfs has complete write support "now"
[18:05] <FSHero> ScorpKing: sorry, I have the output of ls -l at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48896/
[18:05] <ScorpKing> hehe. looking..
[18:05] <FSHero> It's drwxrwxrwx for sda2
[18:05] <FSHero> err...
[18:05] <FSHero> windows (I just mounted /dev/sda2 there)
[18:06] <ScorpKing> FSHero: it's owned by root
[18:06] <FSHero> ScorpKing: is that normal?
[18:06] <sigma_kubuntu> try get it 2b owned by u.
[18:06] <FSHero> err... okay
[18:07] <ScorpKing> FSHero: sometimes. run sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /<mountpoint> to change it
[18:07] <FSHero> is it just chown fshero:fshero /media/windows?
[18:07] <sigma_kubuntu> u can use that applet in kcontrol. say any user can enable or disable
[18:07] <FSHero> ScorpKing: oh ok
[18:07] <ScorpKing> :)
[18:07] <sigma_kubuntu> that shud work
[18:08] <FSHero> woah... hard disk is drumming!
[18:08] <FSHero> what does 1000:1000 mean?
[18:08] <ScorpKing> FSHero: fshero and 1000 should be the same thing if you're the only user
[18:09] <FSHero> I am the first user on this computer. There are other users too... will they be able to write to the partition too?
[18:10] <ScorpKing> FSHero: the first user's UID is 1000. if you want others to write then you'll have to change the permissions
[18:10] <ScorpKing> !permissions
[18:10] <ubotu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[18:11] <lepetak_> hol
[18:11] <lepetak_> holsd
[18:11] <lepetak_> hola
[18:12] <ScorpKing> !es
[18:12] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:12] <FSHero> ScorpKing: no dice. I went to Kate, typed some garbage, and this message comes up:
[18:12] <acee1234> any ideas? should i restate question?
[18:12] <sigma_kubuntu> anyone using quasar accounting here?
[18:12] <FSHero> The doucment could be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///media/windows/Users/Minesh/My%20Documents/testing.txt. Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[18:13] <acee1234> im running 7.10 kubuntu and when i start the system and everything is autmatically opening froma previous session everything loads quickly but after its done and after i enter passwords for everything if i try to open any new program or window the screen darkens for a bit then opens the program taking considerably longer than normal. any ideas?
[18:13] <FSHero> also, output of ls -l in /media still shows /media/windows being owned by root:root
[18:13] <Lacrymology> is there any way to check what driver modules are there installed?
[18:13] <ScorpKing> FSHero: what does ls -l /media/windows say? i think it has to be mounted with ntfs-3g option as well btw
[18:14] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: what do u need windows for?
[18:14] <ScorpKing> ah
[18:14] <sub[t]rnl> Lacrymology➜ lsmod
[18:14] <ScorpKing> FSHero: sudo chown fshero:fshero -R /media/windows
[18:14] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: Family need it. Also, it turns out I will probably need it to run my Driving Theory cdrom :P
[18:14] <k335> hello
[18:14] <ScorpKing> hi
[18:15] <k335> i installed kubuntu yesterday and have a little problem with my mp3 support
[18:15] <sigma_kubuntu> acee1234: dont leave programs running when you shut down to flush the cache
[18:15] <ScorpKing> !mp3 > k335
[18:15] <FSHero> ScorpKing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48898/
[18:16] <FSHero> ScorpKing: shall I do the sudo chown now?
[18:16] <ScorpKing> FSHero: yes - sudo chown fshero:fshero -R /media/windows
[18:16] <k335> wow that was fast thanks^
[18:16] <k335> ^^
[18:16] <ScorpKing> you're welcome
[18:16] <FSHero> btw, thanks everyone for helping: I recognise some of you before :)
[18:16] <FSHero> *from before
[18:17] <FSHero> nope, windows is still owned by root:root
[18:17] <ScorpKing> heh :(
[18:17] <FSHero> But it shouldn't matter anyway, right? because permissions are drwxrwxrwx?
[18:17] <sigma_kubuntu> if only windows co-operated with linux. with a unified filesystem
[18:17] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: Yeah, I know what you mean... :'(
[18:18] <k335> the adept manager wont let me the mp3 support. it says it could break packages
[18:18] <k335> *install
[18:18] <ScorpKing> FSHero: it might. /dev/sda2 on /media/windows type fuseblk (rw,.. fuseblk should be ntfs-3g i think
[18:18] <FSHero> I can't believe how difficult this is proving this time round, to get ntfs-3g working.
[18:18] <ScorpKing> FSHero: pastebin /etc/fstab
[18:19] <FSHero> Does it matter that /dev/sda2 is mounted on both /media/sda2 and /media/windows? Because that's what "mount" reveals.
[18:20] <ScorpKing> ah. rather link /media/sda2 to /media/windows
[18:20] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: i switched completely because my sound doesnt work in xp or vista 4 sum reason. but the lack of activesync doesnt help much when u hav a windows mobile phone!
[18:21] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: I've heard that (predictably) Windows mobile phones don't work will with Linux. Unlucky...
[18:21] <FSHero> ... also what is activesync?
[18:21] <FSHero> ScorpKing: what do you mean by that?
[18:22] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: apparently theres a miracle coming with hardy heron. one can only wait!
[18:22] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: good luck! Fingers crossed X
[18:23] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: activesync syncs ur phone with outlook. updates contacts calendar etc
[18:23] <sigma_kubuntu> i want something 2sync 2 kontact with
[18:24] <FSHero> sigma_kubuntu: by "sync", you mean synchronise your appointments and address book to/from computer to phone?
[18:24] <ScorpKing> FSHero: if you link the two dirs you can mount it on one and still have all the files in both dirs
[18:25] <sigma_kubuntu> FSHero: yeah
[18:26] <FSHero> ScorpKing: okay... but I both show exactly the same things anyway.
[18:26] <FSHero> * "but both show..."
[18:27] <ScorpKing> FSHero: mounting one device on two mountpoins might cause the problems you have. didn't know it was even possible
[18:27] <ksivaji> ScorpKing hi
[18:27] <ScorpKing> hiya ksivaji
[18:27] <FSHero> ScorpKing; Okay... I unmounted /media/windows and successfully chmod-ed it so I (fshero) own it.
[18:27] <ksivaji> ScorpKing top command will list cpu , mem and other stuffs right
[18:27] <melkor> CAn I install kde4 by using apt-get install?
[18:28] <FSHero> I'll unmount /media/sda2 too
[18:28] <ScorpKing> ksivaji: yes
[18:28] <ScorpKing> FSHero: righto
[18:28] <ksivaji> ScorpKing i need only cpu and memory usgae to be displayed how to do that ?
[18:28] <ScorpKing> !ntfs | FSHero: look at this as well -
[18:28] <ubotu> FSHero: look at this as well -: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[18:29] <ksivaji> ScorpKing can you get me ?
[18:29] <ScorpKing> ksivaji: i do it with superkaramba
[18:29] <FSHero> ScorpKing: okay, I don't think /dev/sda2 is mounted on either /media/windows or /media/sda2
[18:30] <FSHero> Shall I try to mount /dev/sda2 again?
[18:30] <ScorpKing> FSHero: no idea. still waiting for your /etc/fstab
[18:30] <FSHero> oh, I thought I did it already. Sorry [18:30] <ScorpKing> hehe. np
[18:31] <FSHero> ScorpKing: /etc/fstab is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48901/
[18:32] <FSHero> It looks that fstab will load the "default" settings for sda2 (and sda1)... maybe that means read-only?
[18:32] <ScorpKing> right. looks ok but i'll change auto to ntfs-3g for /dev/sda2
[18:32] <kiiz> pls any idea on how to network kubuntu to use a windows internet connection
[18:33] <hdevalence> is it just me or has kubuntu benn kinda stagnant recently?
[18:33] <ScorpKing> FSHero: no wait.. remove the last /dev/sda2 entry
[18:33] <ksivaji> ScorpKing that good
[18:33] <FSHero> Hold on: that /media/windows line (last line) wasn't there earlier
[18:33] <hdevalence> or is that b/c everyone's working on kde4?
[18:33] <FSHero> (... I checked it earlier.)
[18:33] <ScorpKing> !samba | kiiz
[18:33] <ubotu> kiiz: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[18:33] <FSHero> ScorpKing: lol! I shall remove it.
[18:33] <hdevalence> *been
[18:33] <ksivaji> ScorpKing i need that cpu , memory usage of each processes how to do that ?
[18:34] <sub[t]rnl> kitz: how is the windows machine hooked up to the internet? cable modem?
[18:35] <ScorpKing> heh. not samba kiiz. sorry
[18:35] <FSHero> ScorpKing: okay, I removed that last line. I think that the ntfs-3g now looks like it's always been. Should I do anything else?
[18:35] <ScorpKing> yeah, test it
[18:36] <FSHero> ScorpKing: do I do "mount -a"?
[18:36] <ScorpKing> yes
[18:37] <ScorpKing> ksivaji: why not just use top?
[18:37] <FSHero> ScorpKing:okay. (btw, should I have chown-ed /media/sda2 folder so that I own it? because I didn't)
[18:37] <ScorpKing> you can do it after it's mounted if it's a problem
[18:38] <sub[t]rnl> greets ardchoille
[18:38] <FSHero> ScorpKing: okay, what should I do now? try to save a file using Kate onto some folder in /media/sda2?
[18:38] <ardchoille> sub[t]rnl: :)
[18:38] <ScorpKing> FSHero: or touch /media/sda2/testfile
[18:39] <ScorpKing> hi ardchoille :)
[18:39] <ardchoille> hi ScorpKing
[18:39] <FSHero> ok 1 second
[18:41] <kop> hi
[18:41] <ScorpKing> ksivaji: press <CTRL>+<ESC> that will show you all the info in KDE
[18:41] <sourcemaker> why is the kernel 2.6.23 not in apt?
[18:41] <hydrogen> because it was not stable when gutsy was released
[18:42] <FSHero> omg I think it worked!
[18:42] <hydrogen> and kernels don't get backported
[18:42] <sourcemaker> hydrogen: ok... nice to know... thanks
[18:43] <FSHero> Omg I'm so stupid... It can write okay to the /media/sda2, but any My Documents directory seems out of bounds.
[18:44] <FSHero> Let me confirm that -- brb
[18:44] <DexterF> hi
[18:44] <kop> what do you mean whith out of bounds?
[18:45] <DexterF> is there an easy way to tell kub "no I don't wanna upgrade this package (really), and please dont ask me again"?
[18:46] <FSHero> ScorpKing: I think that all subfolders of /media/sda2 are read only. But I was able to write to /media/sda2. Also, I was successfully able to make a folder called "kubuntu" and was able to write to /media/sda2/kubuntu
[18:46] <sub[t]rnl> DexterF➜ echo "application hold" | dpkg --set-selectons
[18:46] <sub[t]rnl> where application is the name of the package you don't want upgraded
[18:46] <ScorpKing> FSHero: that is what the -R option was for
[18:46] <kop> FSHero, try this: sudo chmod 777 -R /media/sda2
[18:47] <FSHero> ScorpKing: Maybe all the Windows-created folders are out-of-bounds. But note: the folder kubuntu is still owned by root, and I was able to write to it as user fshero using Kate.
[18:48] <FSHero> ScorpKing: I can also write to the "download" folder.
[18:48] <kop> FSHero, have you tried : sudo chmod 777 -R /media/sda2 ?
[18:48] <FSHero> kop: no... I shall do it now
[18:48] <ScorpKing> FSHero: sudo chown fshero:fshero -R /media/sda2 -  don't forget -R
[18:49] <FSHero> ScorpKing: okay, chown is running now.
[18:49] <ScorpKing> righto
[18:49] <kop> chown? what does that does?
[18:50] <FSHero> ScorpKing: Thanks for helping... I might have wasted your time. I was probably able to write to /dev/sda2 all along, but not to the /media/sda2/Users/Minesh/My Documents folder.
[18:50] <ardchoille> kop: man chown
[18:50] <Zryty> \wc
[18:50] <FSHero> kop: I believe chown changes the ownership of a file to another user.
[18:50] <kiiz> pls can i get my CDMA phone to work with kubuntu
[18:50] <kop> ah
[18:50] <FSHero> Should I do chmod as well?
[18:51] <FSHero> ScorpKing: btw, I was also able to write to /media/sda2/Users before the chown command
[18:51]  * ScorpKing is back in a sec..
[18:51] <FSHero> okay, chown is done now. Shall I try writing to "/media/sda2/Users/Minesh/My Documents" ?
[18:52] <ardchoille> FSHero: You'll need to escape spaces: /media/sda2/Users/Minesh/My\ Documents
[18:52] <cn28h> or you could just use quotes
[18:52] <ardchoille> Yeah, quoting works too
[18:52] <ScorpKing> FSHero: you might need to run chmod 755 -R /media/sda2 as well
[18:52] <FSHero> ardchoille: thanks. But in what context? I was going to use Kate
[18:53] <FSHero> ScorpKing: okay I shall do that now.
[18:53] <ardchoille> FSHero: Oh, sorry, thought you meant in a fm
[18:53] <FSHero> ardchoille: np :)
[18:54] <ardchoille> !nickspam > pibblydibbly
[18:55] <FSHero> ScorpKing: okay, "ls -l /media/sda2" still shows every folder, including the "kubuntu" I made earlier, owned by root
[18:55] <FSHero> ScorpKing: but let me try writing to various folders again.
[18:55] <ScorpKing> that suck. one sec..
[18:55] <FSHero> ScorpKing: don't worry.
[18:56] <FSHero> ScorpKing: I think I shall just put all my documents, music and downloads into /media/sda2/kubuntu: and I know it will work!
[18:56] <pibblydibbly> !nickspam > ardchoille
[18:56] <ScorpKing> FSHero: that won't teach either of us anything. hehe. just taking a look at the mount options
[18:57] <FSHero> ScorpKing: now that is the mark of an intelligent person! Solve the problem no matter what!
[18:57] <ScorpKing> nope, that's just me. hehe
[18:58] <FSHero> ScorpKing: me too at times; I can spend hours setting up stuff in Linux/Kubuntu (and before that Window$ and M$-DOS (a bit)) :D
[18:59] <ScorpKing> FSHero: this should help - http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php#4.10
[18:59] <FSHero> In fact, (/media/sda2 shall be referred to simply as A), I can write to A/Users, A/Users/Minesh but not A/Users/Minesh/My Documents
[18:59] <ScorpKing> FSHero: just use ntfs-3g instead of ntfs for the mount options
[19:00] <FSHero> I can also write to A/Users/Minesh/Documents
[19:00] <FSHero> I think it is just one accursed folder that is putting a proverbial spanner in the works.
[19:01] <ScorpKing> FSHero: it might be the spaces in there. try sudo chown fshero:fshero -R /media/sda2/Users/Minesh/My\ Documents
[19:01] <BluesKaj> FSHero, check out this site , there are some commands that may help you : http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
[19:02] <FSHero> ScorpKing: Oh yeah... but that seems so primitive!
[19:02] <ScorpKing> welcome back BluesKaj. ;)
[19:03] <FSHero> ScorpKing: I can also write to "/media/sda2/Users/Public/Recorded TV/" (copied straight from the Open File dialogue box)
[19:03] <BluesKaj> his ScorpKing , thx  : )
[19:04] <BluesKaj> err hi ScorpKing :)
[19:04] <ScorpKing> FSHero: to be honest i've not seen ntfs give so much problems before. i'm only using linux so not much ntfs experience for me.
[19:04] <ScorpKing> her BluesKaj. hehe
[19:04] <FSHero> ScorpKing: maybe "A/Users/Minesh/My Documents" is an encrypted folder. apparently ntfs-3g cannot write to encrypted folders.
[19:05] <ScorpKing> could be
[19:05] <FSHero> ScorpKing: Thanks very much!
[19:05] <BluesKaj> uhm FSHero yeah, that would be it alright :)
[19:05] <ScorpKing> FSHero: you're welcome. one more thing..
[19:06] <ScorpKing> FSHero: run - ls -lR /media/sda2 | grep root | less - and see if there's more folders that's still owned by root
[19:09] <FSHero> ScorpKing: brb in a few minutes
[19:09] <ScorpKing> FSHero: i'm going to bed now anyway
[19:09] <ScorpKing> hope your disk behave. good luck.
[19:09] <ScorpKing> nite guys
[19:17] <kiiz> pls pls pls does anybody know about CDMA internet acess on kubuntu
[19:17] <kop> i don't even know waht a cdma is jaja
[19:18] <kop> *wath
[19:18] <sigma_kubuntu> !ping
[19:18] <ubotu> pong
[19:18] <kop> ping
[19:19] <sigma_kubuntu> kiiz: what is cdma?
[19:24] <chandru> I have a problem with kopete.  It sends an extra space along with each message on Jabber.
[19:26] <sigma_kubuntu> is that realy a big problem?
[19:28] <chandru> yes
[19:28] <chandru> it shows one empty space for each msg
[19:28] <chandru> so the receiver's msg window (on Pidgin and kopete) scrolls too fast
[19:29] <chandru> One workaround is to remove formatting completely
[19:29] <chandru> but is there no way to retain formatting and still remove ht line?
[19:29] <chandru> *the
[19:30] <kalib> hey guys...anyone here is already using Kubuntu 8.04 ?
[19:30] <sigma_kubuntu> perhaps report a kde bug?
[19:32] <kop> jaja 8.04 teh 7.10 is already unstable and you want someone to use 8.04!!??
[19:32] <kop> i don't want to think how many bugs would that have......
[19:33] <sigma_kubuntu> gutsy isnt unstable
[19:36] <bucatoamano> i have a folder with some files i would like with chmod set folder and files as writable from  everyone
[19:37] <bucatoamano> ok soleved
[19:37] <bucatoamano> -R
[19:39] <vzduch> !grub
[19:39] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[19:39] <kalib> i just wanna know if that problem with notebooks ATI sound is ok now on this version... cause on 7.10 is terrible... :/
[19:39] <kalib> anyone?
[19:40] <combinio> is this possible to download files with P2M technology under kubuntu ??
[19:41] <combinio> cuz p2m programs don't work under wine :/
[19:45] <BluesKaj> combinio, look in google linux for an answer
[19:45] <combinio> BluesKaj: kk, thanks :)
[19:45] <trappist> I dunno what p2m is, but I bet some of em would work in wine, and I bet there are linux implementations
[19:45] <BluesKaj> encrypted email trappist
[19:46] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Encrypted email? enigmail works in thunderbird
[19:46] <trappist> he wants to "download files with {encrypted email} technology"?
[19:46] <trappist> and gpg works with kmail
[19:46] <ardchoille> True
[19:46] <ardchoille> Maybe he meant Point-To-Many (protocol)
[19:47] <trappist> maybe he meant p2p
[19:47] <trappist> but it's a secret!
[19:47] <ardchoille> hehe
[19:47] <mick__> !apt
[19:47] <hydrogen> points-to-me!
[19:47] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[19:48] <mick__> !dpkg
[19:48] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[19:49] <mick__> !apt-broken
[19:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-broken - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:49] <ardchoille> mick__: What's up?
[19:49] <kalib> has anyone like (k)ubuntu 7.10??
[19:49] <mick__> ardchoille: trying to patch up a borked dist-upgrade
[19:49] <kalib> it's so full of bugs... :/
[19:50] <kalib> i was a big kubuntu fan until 6.10... but after i tried now 7.10... i was disapointed
[19:50] <ardchoille> kalib: I use it on 11 machines and haven't seen any problems yet. If you ask a specific question maybe someone can help
[19:50] <mick__> ardchoille: I know there's a tip that ubotu spits out but can't remember what it is
[19:50] <Dean_> So wait until KDE 4.0 kalib!
[19:51] <chandru> I have reported the bug at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151301
[19:51] <chandru> if someone is intersted in fixing it, it will be gr8
[19:51] <ardchoille> !adeptfix | mick__
[19:51] <ubotu> mick__: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:52] <mick__> ardchoille: thx but the db is not locked - dpkg --configure -a fails with a shedload of errors
[19:52] <kalib> ardchoille yeah...in desktops it's ok...but in notebooks... if you try, you will see so many bugs...
[19:53] <BluesKaj> kalib, be more specific about your disappointment. How else can ppl help correct it ?
[19:53] <mick__> kalib: i use 7.10 on a notebook - no problems here
[19:53] <ardchoille> mick__: Can you pastebin the errors? Maybe someone can help you fix them.
[19:53] <mick__> kalib: ...not to say there aren't any :)
[19:53] <ardchoille> !pastebin | mick__
[19:53] <ubotu> mick__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:55] <kalib> for example...the boot screem... is a dark screen in many notebooks...
[19:55] <mick__> ardchoille: just waiting for the next lot of errors
[19:55] <mick__> ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48906/
[19:55] <kalib> and another example... the sound...the sound is not working in many notebooks... with ATI for example
[19:56] <ardchoille> mick__: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> kalib, that's not the fault of Kubuntu 7.10 , that's ati's poor support for notebook sound & graphics drivers
[19:59] <kalib> BluesKaj not really...cause i always used this notebook with kubuntu.. ;]  until 6.10...but i installed the 7.10 and now my sound is not working...
[19:59] <kalib> and i saw on google so many people with the same problem..not only with ATI..
[19:59] <kalib> you can search on google... "sound not working on K(U)buntu.."
[19:59] <Ayabara> when I click a movie file in a konqueror/nautilus, I want the default action to be "open a terminal and run mplayer <filename>". is this possible to do?
[20:00] <kalib> Ayabara yeah...you should click on it with the right bottom and select "open with"
[20:00] <kalib> and you can choose an application and set as default
[20:01] <BluesKaj> kalib , i have the same onboard sound as most ati notebooks , i just reset everything the wat it was on 7.04 and it works fine
[20:01] <Ayabara> kalib, yep, but I don't want the gui mplayer. I want to first open a terminal and then input mplayer filename
[20:01] <BluesKaj> it also worked fine on 6.10 BTW
[20:03] <BluesKaj> kalib,, when upgrading to 7.10 one's sound and graphics settings are reset to defaults, then one has to reset everything again, that's all
[20:03] <kalib> BluesKaj my sound was working on kubuntu 6.10... but now, on 7.10 is not...that's a fact... so the problem is not my notebook... I'll try to download and check it on Kubuntu 8.04
[20:04] <BluesKaj> gawd... /p
[20:04] <kalib> BluesKaj I didn't upgraded...i formmated and had install it again... from zero
[20:04] <BluesKaj> well, that's still the default settings at work which have to be reconfigged
[20:06] <mick__> ardchoille: sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48910/
[20:06] <kalib> BluesKaj how can i do that?
[20:07] <BluesKaj> kalib,  k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[20:08] <ardchoille> mick__: Ok, I see some edgy repos in there but they're commented. Did you happen to replace edgy with gutsy and then do a dist-upgrade to to go from edgy to gutsy (bypassing Feisty)?
[20:08] <mick__> nope - they're just residual from a previous dist-upgrade
[20:08] <mick__> I don't tidy up very often!
[20:08] <ardchoille> mick__: Did you go from edgy to gutsy with a dist-upgrade?
[20:09] <mick__> nope edgy - feisty some time back
[20:09] <mick__> now feisty - gutsy
[20:09] <BluesKaj> kalib, then : in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM, Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key'...unmuted has "00" in the box
[20:11] <kalib> BluesKaj it's already like that
[20:12] <BluesKaj> ok kalib , open kmix and enable Master & PCM on the output tab , then CD & IEC playback (if listed) in the Input tab , next make sure Mix & IEC958 are enabled in the Switches tab , then click on Settings/Configure Kmix and apply
[20:12] <kalib> it didn't work...i've already tried before..
[20:12] <kalib> thanks anyway..i got go now
[20:12] <kalib> take care
[20:13] <BluesKaj> you missed a step
[20:13] <ardchoille> kalib: Even if you tried something before, try it again when someone suggests it because any output/errors may help them help you.
[20:15] <eisele> moin
[20:15] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, he does have a point tho, the sound setup is really pretty chaotic on kubuntu 7.10, hope things change on the next offereing
[20:16] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Yeah, I've only seen each release get better.. I'm still quite impressed.
[20:16] <Hamra> to start compiz i usually type "compiz --replace", how can i go back to normal screen without compiz?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, 3 different configurations required to get the sound working ...what windows users would stand for that ? :)
[20:17] <jussi01> Hamra: kwin --replace
[20:17] <Hamra> thnx
[20:18] <kiiz> pls pls pls does anybody know about CDMA internet acess on kubuntu
[20:18] <RogueJediX> How do I find out why Kopete's auto away won't work and why the screensaver doesn't turn on? I usupect the problems are related
[20:19] <dreamcoder> can someone tell me a good ftp server for kubuntu pls something that is very easy to use i only need to use it once
[20:19] <jussi01> kiiz: which device?
[20:20] <jussi01> !ftp
[20:20] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[20:20] <jussi01> !ftpd | dreamcoder
[20:20] <ubotu> dreamcoder: FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd, MuddleFTPd, wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: PureAdmin, GProftpd (for GNOME), KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[20:20] <dreamcoder> thank you
[20:20] <jussi01> :)
[20:23] <oobe> apt-get install bum
[20:24] <BluesKaj> !cdma | kiiz
[20:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdma - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:24] <sourcemaker> what's the best way to upgrade drapper to gusty?
[20:24] <oobe> !bum
[20:24] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[20:24] <BluesKaj> !upgrade
[20:24] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:25] <BluesKaj> sourcemaker, a clean live cd install is really the only way to jump 3 upgrades
[20:26] <jussi01> BluesKaj: alternate cd would do just as well... ;)
[20:27] <hh_laurid> soon
[20:28] <small_stripes> may i know how to check the version of linux im running?
[20:29] <ardchoille> small_stripes: lsb_release -a
[20:29] <small_stripes> tq
[20:29] <ardchoille> small_stripes: Oh, sorry, you said Linux: uname -a
[20:30] <small_stripes> Linux ubuntu 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux <--this is 7.10 rite?
[20:30] <Karti> Hi all, could someone recommend a linux tool that would work along the lines of Magic Iso, and allow the creation of iso's and the addition of files to already created iso files. Many thanks
[20:30] <small_stripes> cos the update tells me theres a new distribution to be downloaded..which confuses me
[20:31] <jussi01> small_stripes: there is a bug in gutsy about that
[20:31] <ardchoille> small_stripes: If you want to know the versio of kubuntu you are using: lsb_release -a
[20:31] <small_stripes> i installed thru wubi
[20:32] <small_stripes> No LSB modules are available.
[20:32] <small_stripes> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[20:32] <small_stripes> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[20:32] <small_stripes> Release:        7.04
[20:32] <small_stripes> Codename:       feisty
[20:32] <small_stripes> on dear
[20:32] <small_stripes> oh
[20:32] <jussi01> !paste
[20:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:32] <jussi01> small_stripes: please dont do that
[20:32] <small_stripes> yea sorry
[20:32] <ardchoille> Karti: Perhaps look at kiso
[20:33] <generic> I think  that one of my scripts is in error or is incomplete:  http://pastebin.ca/824134
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Karti, acetoneiso is the poweriso equivalent on linux
[20:34] <Karti> ardchoille:  Many thanks
[20:34] <generic> The script in question is: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/udev
[20:34] <Karti> BluesKaj: Many thanks...just looking at them all now
[20:35] <generic> Can someone look at it and mayb compare it to your   own?
[20:39] <jussi01> generic: heres mine: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48919/
[20:48] <small_stripes> doesnt Wubi-7.04.04 installed ubuntu 7.10?
[21:00] <enry> good night!
[21:03] <luciash> hi
[21:03] <luciash> anyone using kdenlive 0.5 ?
[21:03] <luciash> i have trouble to get nice result while exporting (rendering) the timeline - it is always "choppy" video while there are some horizontally moving shots
[21:04] <luciash> s/while/when
[21:04] <luciash> it's not that bad, but it is noticeable on those shots
[21:04] <luciash> so it is annoying and i cound find any recommended export format/combination of parameters to avoid that :-/
[21:05] <luciash> any idea what could avoid this problem ?
[21:05] <luciash> i just need to confirm the problem is not just here so i can decide to compile mlt/ffmpeg by myself or find some other solution
[21:22] <hungrymouse> how do you make KTorrent (or other programs, for that matter) run on login?
[21:23] <Flare183> hungrymouse: put a link to it in your autostart folder
[21:23] <jussi01> !autostart | hungrymouse
[21:23] <ubotu> hungrymouse: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[21:23] <hungrymouse> thanks
[21:40] <brmassa> Guys, i read somewhere that Hardy will still use KDE3. Is that true?
[21:40] <sigma> can someone explain to me why internet on linux feels faster than internet on windows?
[21:41] <sigma> brmassa: thats true
[21:41] <Tm_T> sigma: it's all about not having spaghetti code
[21:41] <SSJ_GZ> brmassa: Yes..
[21:41] <hungrymouse> sigma, linux the OS is less laggy, so the same speed internet doesnt get lagged by the OS.
[21:41] <brmassa> sigma and SSJ_GZ: why is that?
[21:41] <sigma> brmassa: its because kde4 will only be considered stable by the kubuntu dev's when it reaches 4.1
[21:41] <Tm_T> sigma: negative
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> sigma: not true...
[21:42] <sigma> brmassa: trust me its better that way
[21:42] <sigma> but didnt they say that when it goes 4.1 its going to be the default desktop?
[21:42] <Tm_T> brmassa: it's because Hardy is LTS, it is meant to be _really_ stable, and KDE4 as default could be bit risky
[21:42] <sigma> with 8.10?
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> hardy is a LTS release, it would not be good to include a brand-new desktop in such a release
[21:42] <Tm_T> sigma: two different things
[21:42] <sigma> i see
[21:42] <hungrymouse> why does ksynaptics not implement its settings on startup? it keeps them saved, but i actually have to go into it and apply them.
[21:42] <brmassa> sigma: strange thought. KDE guys would only launch a final product when it would be ready right?
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> sigma: its planned for 8.10, yes
[21:43] <sigma> ok well that makes more sense
[21:43] <brmassa> Tm_T: ohhh... true. i forgot about it
[21:43] <Tm_T> brmassa: 4.0 isn't fully ready, it can't be, as in sense of functionality
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> brmassa: 4.0 is not supposed to be a "final product"
[21:43] <sigma> brmassa: well its always going to have bugs because remember not everyone tests kde 4
[21:43] <sigma> when its beta
[21:44] <sigma> so a "final" version must be released for more people to test it
[21:44] <brmassa> but they will create a ready to go KDE4 for K8.04 right?
[21:44] <trappist> nosrednaekim: it is supposed to be a release candidate, and my impression is more like early beta.
[21:44] <Tm_T> brmassa: yes
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> brmassa: certainly... there is a one already.
[21:44] <Tm_T> brmassa: but it's not default
[21:45] <sigma> brmassa: yeah i spoke to JRiddell, the head dev guy, he said there will be a cd with kde4 available for download
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> trappist: eh, hasn't crashed on me once.
[21:45] <brmassa> Tm_T: gotcha. thanks
[21:45] <brmassa> sigma: thats good news.
[21:45] <Tm_T> sigma: you did? ;)
[21:45] <trappist> nosrednaekim: me either, but kontact crashes regularly, I can't configure the panel, there's a lot of missing functionality, etc.
[21:45] <sigma> Tm_T: lol yeah a few days ago
[21:45] <jussi01> Tm_T: I beleive thats caórrect, it will be included but not default
[21:46] <Tm_T> jussi01: it is correct
[21:46] <jussi01> :)
[21:46] <Tm_T> no believing in that
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> trappist: yeah, the new kontact is NOT ready at all, I use the kde3 one still. The panel is not as functional, but it DOES work.
[21:46] <Tm_T> sigma: ;)
[21:46] <sigma> the last kde 4 that i tested had half the icons missing, it looked pretty bad!
[21:47] <trappist> nosrednaekim: my biggest complaint is that installing kde4 screwed up my kde3 installation, so I'm kinda stuck with kde4 until I have time to fix what's broke
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> trappist: what did it do?
[21:48] <sigma> trappist: should just use the live cd, its the safer option:)
[21:48] <trappist> nosrednaekim: right-clicking the desktop does nothing, alt-f2 does nothing, alt-space does nothing, kicker only wraps around 3 sides of my compiz cube, and so on
[21:48] <ardchoille> trappist: ouch
[21:48] <Artimus> Is there anyway I can regenerate the /dev/disk/by-uuid folder symlinks?  I just formatted a partition and would like to make sure it'll mount before I reboot and get a message about not being able to mount a volume...
[21:49] <sigma> but i did notice that during the tutorial Riddell was using Kde4 which is good news, because if the devs are playing with it now, by the time 8.10 gets released it will be pretty stable
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> trappist: hmm same exact thing happened to me... I think its actually a problem with compiz..because the people I have heard complain about it were all running compiz-by-default
[21:50] <sigma> don't think kde4 likes compiz! doesn't it have its own composite manager now?
[21:50] <ardchoille> sigma: kde 3.5.7 has its own composite manager
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> sigma: yeah... but there is somthing about kde4+kde3+compiz.. that really messes up kde3
[21:51] <sigma> ardchoille: it has pretty hopeless effects though:)
[21:51] <sigma> ardchoille: but a good start none the less
[21:51] <ardchoille> sigma: drop shadows, transparency, some effects.. it was sufficient for my needs.
[21:51] <ardchoille> Indeed, a good start
[21:52] <sigma> i just want that cube
[21:52] <sub[t]rnl> trappist➜ I backed up my home dir, clean installed kde4 to play around.  I reverted everything back when I was done just using apt.
[21:52] <sigma> its the coolest thing ever
[21:52] <nosrednaekim> yeah, the best option is to use it with a new user.
[21:52] <hungrymouse> why does ksynaptics not implement its settings on startup? it keeps them saved, but i actually have to go into it and apply them.
[21:55] <trappist> nosrednaekim: yeah I was thinking that too, but I can no longer live without compiz :)
[21:55] <nosrednaekim> heh
[21:57] <pjfloyd> adept keeps crashing/complaining that something else is using the db (newbie question) - what can I do?
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[21:57] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:58] <nosrednaekim> pjfloyd: that is one of the most commonly asked questions :D
[21:58] <pjfloyd> in my short experience, adept crashes a lot
[21:59] <sigma> thats y i dont use it! i use kpackage, the only thing i ever used adept for was to switch off updates
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> pjfloyd: use synaptic, its less buggy.
[22:01] <sigma> why was adept created? if synaptic was so much better to start off with
[22:02] <jussi01> sigma: synaptic is gtk
[22:02] <sigma> i just dont get why kde and gnome couldn't both use kde
[22:02] <sigma> qt i mean
[22:03] <sigma> would solve the whole gtk dilemma
[22:03] <jussi01> sigma: go google kde v gnome
[22:03] <pjfloyd> a question of politics
[22:03] <sigma> yeah i know theres friendly rivalry amongst them
[22:04] <Flare183> How to i remove a place off of my "Remote Places"?
[22:04] <sigma> but imagine what a machine of a desktop it would be if they joined forces
[22:04] <Tm_T> sigma: and we would have lost large variety
[22:04]  * pjfloyd is mainly a Solaris user == GNOME :-(
[22:04] <Tm_T> anyway, that's offtopic ;)
[22:05] <sigma> but honestly gnome is hopeless on the looks side!
[22:05] <pjfloyd> KDE/Qt wasn't GPLitically correct
[22:05] <pjfloyd> sigma: a ton of work has gone into polishing that turd, it isn't so bad now
[22:05] <Flare183> !offtopic
[22:05] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:06] <pjfloyd> fair enough
[22:07] <sigma> anyway i have a question, when kubuntu boots up it tries to mount a hard drive that i removed from my pc and always says "failed", how do i stop it from doing this?
[22:08] <sub[t]rnl> did you leave it in /etc/fstab?
[22:08] <Artimus> sigma: Edit the file /etc/fstab as root and remove the line(s) for those partitions...
[22:08] <pjfloyd> boot still succeeds? delete it from /etc/fstab
[22:08] <Pete_^> has the konqueror flash auto-install stopped working recently? I'm getting an error about ".....install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt does not exist."
[22:08] <Artimus> sigma: If you need an explanation of that, let us know...
[22:09] <Artimus> Pete_^: It's very broken on my box as well.
[22:09] <sigma> ok i found it, will delete it
[22:09] <Pete_^> Artimus: I guess Adobe has changed something in the tarball
[22:09] <sigma> the line that is
[22:11] <sigma> ok, question 2, on my laptop in the "Storage Media" window theres a whole lot of NFS shortcuts that I dont use anymore, how do i remove them?
[22:12] <pjfloyd> is there a problem with bash completion? esc-esc completion doesn't do anything until I hit another key
[22:19] <lascar> best kubuntu book available?
[22:19] <ardchoille> !best
[22:19] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[22:20] <Dragnslcr> I probably don't want to ask why someone would need a Kubuntu book
[22:20] <ardchoille> lascar: I've seen several and had a hard tme choosing which was the "best" for me.
[22:20] <lascar> ok, which one did you like best of that selection?
[22:21] <ardchoille> Dragnslcr: For those who like to learn and explore versus simply being a user, a book would be quite handy.
[22:21]  * lascar chuckles
[22:21] <ardchoille> lascar: I was torn between the official ubuntu book and the ubuntu linux bible
[22:22] <lascar> ardchoille: what were the best features of these two books?
[22:24] <lascar> ardchoille: much obliged.  I'll look them up.
[22:31] <BrOSs> i want to unistall kubuntu.. and reinstall it from liveCD, how can I unistall it?
[22:31] <BrOSs> ardchoille: are  u there? hehe
[22:32] <Pete_^> BrOSs: You can just reinstall over the top, formatting the neccessary partitions during install
[22:33] <BrOSs> well.. I don't know in which partition is exactly installed
[22:33] <BrOSs> =/
[22:33] <BrOSs> besides.. kubuntu is not the only os installed
[22:33] <BrOSs> i also have Vista, XP.. and old versions of kubuntu
[22:34] <BrOSs> haha is a real mess
[22:34] <BrOSs> i just want to keep Vista..
[22:34] <BrOSs> in order to reintall kubuntu
[22:40] <Pete_^> sounds like quite a mess
[22:40] <hungrymouse> how do you unlock the adminstration folder after adept crashes?
[22:42] <ardchoille> BrOSs: I'm here
[22:42] <hydrogen> !fixapt | hungrymouse
[22:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:42] <hydrogen> !fixadept | hungrymouse
[22:42] <ubotu> hungrymouse: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:43] <hungrymouse> thanks hydrogen
[22:44] <BrOSs> ardchoille: i're always here ^^
[22:44] <BrOSs> ardchoille: well, if u can read uppage.. u'll notice my problem
[22:45] <lovre> hi all
[22:46] <lovre> why doesnt Koffeine display my subtitles properly, i have tried everything. It doesnt show localized chars
[22:47] <hungrymouse> BrOSs: the kubuntu partition will be the one in ext3 file system
[22:49] <BrOSs> hungrymouse: i gotta go.. later i'll come back
[22:49] <BrOSs> hungrymouse: thks man x)
[22:49] <sanijslv> hello
[22:53] <sd132> help, i keep getting a "couldnt commit getting changes" error everytime i try to download a package
[22:54] <sd132> how do i fix this?
[22:55] <hungrymouse> how do i get kaffeine to play mkvs?
[22:55] <sub[t]rnl> sd132: sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get install -f
[22:55] <sd132> sub[t]rnl: thanks
[22:55] <hungrymouse> sub[t]rnl: you beat me to it ><
[22:56] <hungrymouse> i had an answer half written
[22:56] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[22:56] <sub[t]rnl> i just wrote up some bash scripts for konversation for the frequent questions
[22:56]  * sub[t]rnl shrugs
[22:56] <sub[t]rnl> hungrymouse: sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get install -f
[22:57] <sub[t]rnl> :p
[22:57] <hungrymouse> lol
[22:58] <sub[t]rnl> sd132➜ hrm, not sure with kaffeine.  I know mplayer or vlc will play them fine
[22:58] <sd132> sub[t]rnl: do i want to keep my current version of qt_plugins_3.3rc?
[22:59] <sub[t]rnl> sd132➜ i would yeah
[22:59] <pteague_work> i'm looking at putting a new box together... should i go with the intel e6750 or the e6600 duo ?
[22:59] <michael_> test
[22:59] <sd132> sub[t]rnl: do i need to relog or restart?
[22:59] <sub[t]rnl> sd132➜ newp
[23:00] <sd132> sub[t]rnl: thanks again
[23:00] <oobe> how does one type ➜
[23:00] <hungrymouse> you seemed to manage it xD
[23:00] <sub[t]rnl> just like that!
[23:00] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[23:00] <oobe> lol
[23:00] <oobe> i copied and pasted it
[23:01] <Pete_^> ΩŁE® I only recently realised holding down the alt gr key + typing on characters gave alternate ones.
[23:01] <Pete_^> I don't think its from there
[23:01] <Pete_^> (I'm aware of alt + numpad combination on windows.)
[23:02] <oobe> alt + gr?
[23:02] <oobe> what is a gr key
[23:02] <Pete_^> no, the "Alt gr" key ;)
[23:03] <Pete_^> hold down "alt gr" and press some characters elsewhere on the keyboard. (IRC may not be the best place for it)
[23:04] <_michael> Hello I'm trying to set up voice commands and how would I get a usb microphone to accept input when it is not the default audio device. Is there a command to specify input device?
[23:04] <oobe> i dont seem to have alt gr
[23:04] <hydrogen> alt gr is usually right alt
[23:04] <Pete_^> oobe: look to the right of your space bar
[23:04] <hydrogen> with the right keyboard layout
[23:04] <Pete_^> unless you have some non-standard compact keyboard (possibly a laptop)(
[23:05] <Pete_^> On some keyboards its just labeled "Alt" I believe
[23:06] <Pete_^> Although I don't know if it sends a different keycode or not, never looked into it, but some of my keyboards show "Alt" where others show "Alt Gr" anyway.
[23:07] <oobe> alt doesnt do anything for me
[23:10] <sd132> great, my kstars is broken
[23:11] <Dean_> What could be the reason (and fix) if alt+F2 doesn't bring up Run Command?
[23:12] <jussi01> Dean_: beacuase its mapped to super + r ?
[23:12] <jack11> so how come ubuntu 7.10 doesn't have the /etc/iftab file?
[23:12] <neville> spinach
[23:12] <neville> lamer
[23:12] <jussi01> neville: ?
[23:13] <spinach> excuse me¿
[23:13] <jack11> what version of kubuntu are you guys running?
[23:13] <spinach> urm anyone using firefox in gnome right now¿
[23:13] <jack11> nope
[23:13] <Dean_> jussi01: How would one go about mapping it to alt+f2 ?
[23:13] <spinach> lol
[23:13] <neville> why did you waste your time trying to start trouble in #macosx
[23:14] <spinach> because
[23:14] <spinach> they pretend to be gay
[23:14] <sub[t]rnl> !ot
[23:14] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:14] <ardchoille> neville: Please take that to another channel
[23:14] <spinach> but are not really gay
[23:14] <Dean_> spinach: I have fx and gnome installed and frequently use them together, does that count?
[23:14] <spinach> yea
[23:14] <spinach> http://tinyurl.com/d989r
[23:14] <jussi01> spinach: please dont or you will be removed.
[23:14] <jack11> anybody using kubuntu 7.10
[23:14] <spinach> OH no
[23:14] <Pete_^> bad bad link..
[23:15] <jack11> kubuntu 7.10 doesn't have /etc/iftab file
[23:15] <jack11> does anybody know where i can find/get this from?
[23:15] <LjL> the link spinach posted is malicious, please don't click on it
[23:16] <melkor> I have a laptop with bluetooth, but when I use "hctool dev" I cannot see anydevices.  Does this mean my bluetooth is not properly working?
[23:16] <awen-> jack11: what do you need /etc/iftab for?
[23:16] <Dean_> Ya, it's sort of a hassle><'
[23:17] <deuryte> xcell
[23:17] <sd132> how do i turn off the join leave notifications in konversation?
[23:18] <krwlng_> merhaba bana yardımcı olabiliecek bi arkadaş varmı
[23:19] <sub[t]rnl> jack11➜ /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[23:19] <fignew> sd132: hmm, I would guess settings --> behavior --> ignore
[23:19] <fignew> though I wouldn't know what to put in :)
[23:20] <oobe>  ➜
[23:20] <hydrogen> LjL: it wasn't really malicious.. just an adventure!
[23:20] <LjL> hydrogen: i suppose you could see it that way... i don't, though :P
[23:20] <Pete_^> Hah, I guess he has his client set to insert that in place of some other character after auto completion of names
[23:21] <blueman> so how come ubuntu 7.10 doesn't have the /etc/iftab file?
[23:21] <sd132> fignew: please dont guess
[23:21] <blueman> can anybody help?
[23:22] <fignew> sd132: screw you too buddy :)
[23:22] <LjL> !language
[23:22] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:22] <Pete_^> blueman: It looks like it is replaced with /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules in Gusty.
[23:22] <blueman> Pete_^
[23:22] <sd132> fignew: you were WRONG
[23:23] <blueman> do you know why they did that?
[23:23] <miky> السلام عليكم
[23:23] <fignew> sd132: Oh NOES!!!!
[23:23] <Pete_^> blueman: I have no idea, sorry
[23:23] <LjL> !sa | miky
[23:23] <ubotu> miky: For the Arabic language or Saudi Arabia you are invited to join للغة العربية رجاء انظم #ubuntu-sa
[23:23] <LjL> sd132, fignew: fight in a private query if you have to fight, please
[23:24] <awen-> blueman: was it there in feisty ? i thought it wasn't in debian + derivates at all
[23:24] <fignew> LjL: Sorry, some people have no respect. I'm just here to help :)
[23:24] <blueman> Pete: I'm looking at this file but its completely diferent format that what im used to in iftab
[23:24] <LjL> fignew, sd132: anyway, Settings / Configure Konversation / Behavior / Chat Window / Hide join/part/nick events
[23:25] <posingaspopular> I'm trying to sign the CoC and LP keeps telling me there is no text input, when there clearly is
[23:25] <posingaspopular> can anyone help?
[23:25] <sd132> ljl,thanks
[23:25] <Pete_^> blueman: Sorry, I don't know much about it either, and I have to go now for a bit! Hope someone can help, or you can try searching online in the meantime with knowledge of which file you need to edit.
[23:30] <mempman> y do i keep getting booted from this room.ahhh
[23:30] <SyntaxError55> How do I add icons to my KDE Desktop?
[23:30] <mempman> Syntax: simply right click on the icon you want to add and then select send to desktop
[23:30] <SyntaxError55> mempman: Right click on the program's name in the KMenu?
[23:31] <mempman> or yyes
[23:31] <SyntaxError55> ok thanks
[23:31] <mempman> np
[23:32] <mempman> what happened to blueman
[23:32] <mempman> i guess he's not here anymore
[23:32] <mempman> alright, so what about "iftab" in kubuntu
[23:32] <mempman> does anybody know if "iftab" existed in feisty???
[23:32] <ardchoille> mempman: You are blueman
[23:32] <mempman> yes, yes i am
[23:34] <SyntaxError55> Oh, thanks mempman :)
[23:34] <mempman> no prob
[23:36] <posingaspopular> does anyone know how why opening a signed Ubuntu CoC would be so ahrd to open?
[23:37] <Tm_T> never noticed difficulties
[23:37] <hydrogen> i've never touched ubuntu's CoC
[23:37]  * hydrogen couldn't resist :(
[23:40] <mempman> anybody running ubuntu on a laptop???
[23:40] <tekteen> yep
[23:40]  * tekteen uses kubuntu on an hp laptop
[23:40] <mempman> i recently installed kubuntu on my laptop and i find it annoying to not have power controls
[23:41] <tekteen> don't u have a battery monitor?
[23:41] <mempman> for example, i downloaded and installed wmbattery but i would really like some good power controls
[23:41] <tekteen> it comes with kde
[23:41] <mempman> what is it called?
[23:41] <tekteen> g2g
[23:41] <tekteen> sorry
[23:42] <mempman> nop
[23:42] <mempman> g2g does not exist
[23:42] <mempman> i have kubuntu 7.10
[23:42] <ardchoille> mempman: superkaramba? gkrellm?
[23:43] <mempman> i have none of those
[23:43] <mempman> i have fired up adept and i can't find g2g
[23:43] <Eyeless> how do i do persistent changes to grub.conf? (so that it doesnt get changed back when i update my kernel etc)
[23:44] <mempman> g2g doesn't even exist according to adept
[23:45] <tekteen> g2g=im for got to go
[23:45] <hydrogen> hahaha
[23:46] <mempman> oh whopps
[23:46] <hydrogen> if #kubuntu had a quote board
[23:46] <hydrogen> you'd just make the top
[23:46] <mempman> ofcourse i knew what it meant, i was only pretending...
[23:46] <tekteen> I do not know what it is called though
[23:46] <tekteen> sorry
[23:46] <tekteen> brb
[23:46] <hydrogen> that still was almost quote board worthy
[23:46] <mempman> :)
[23:49] <mempman> im getting gkrellem-ibam
[23:51] <steveire> Anyone here have qt demos and want to confirma bug for me?
[23:52] <andreas__> hello
[23:52] <steveire> andreas__: Hi
[23:52] <andreas__> Can anybody help me?
[23:52] <andreas__> ok
[23:52] <andreas__> Have you used Dc_gui?
[23:53] <steveire> Nope. What is it?
[23:53] <andreas__> It is a file sharing program
[23:53] <steveire> ok
[23:53] <andreas__> but i don't know how to work with it
[23:54] <andreas__> anybody?
[23:54] <steveire> andreas__: Is it part of kubuntu?
[23:54] <andreas__> no but you can find it in Adept Manager :)
[23:55] <andreas__> it's a Direct Connect client
[23:55] <andreas__> So apart from that what file sharing programs can you use in Linux?
[23:56] <Flare183> !p2p > andreas__
[23:56] <steveire> !p2p
[23:56] <ubotu> Peer-to-peer filesharing clients are available for several networks/protocols, including !BitTorrent, !Gnutella, !eDonkey, !DirectConnect, !SoulSeek - Multi-protocol engines include !MLDonkey and !giFT - See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information
[23:57] <steveire> andreas__: On kubuntu apollon is good
[23:57] <andreas__> apollon?
[23:57] <steveire> How Do you edit the responses of ubotu?
[23:57] <hamadooo> need help plz
[23:57] <steveire> andreas__: Yep. Look in adept
[23:57] <andreas__> how come i didn't come across to it
[23:57] <sd132> !ask
[23:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[23:58] <NickPresta> steveire, /msg ubotu bot
[23:58] <andreas__> i will have a  look
[23:58] <hamadooo> i want to change the brithness in my laptop
[23:58] <hamadooo> how can i do that in ubuntu
[23:58] <NickPresta> hamadooo, this is the Kubuntu channel. If you have Ubuntu, you should go to #ubuntu
[23:59] <hamadooo> they didn't help me there
[23:59] <andreas__> hamadoo i want to do the exact same thing in my Dell!
[23:59] <hamadooo> and i thini is the same
[23:59] <hamadooo> andreas yes but i have toshiba
[23:59] <NickPresta> hamadooo, well, Kubuntu (by default) uses KDE. Ubuntu (by default) uses GNOME. The GUI way of changing brightness is different
[23:59] <hamadooo> oh ok
[23:59] <mempman> i have hp laptop, are there any good programs out there to change touchpad sensitivty settings?
[23:59] <hamadooo> sorry
[23:59] <steveire> !Apollon
[23:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apollon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:59] <andreas__> well i can't do that in either windows or linux
[23:59] <NickPresta> hamadooo, if you aren't getting any help in #ubuntu, try searching "monitor brightness ubuntu" on Google