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mtayloranybody around with deb packaging zen enough to answer a question about pre-depends? 00:31
Fujitsumtaylor: You're probably better off asking in #ubuntu-motu, but I might be able to answer it.00:34
Fujitsu(note that using Pre-Depends in a PPA package will, at the moment, make apt want to eternally upgrade it)00:34
mtaylorFujitsu: well, I've got a package with a Pre-Depends: and when I build it locally it's fine. But when I put it in a PPA package, it strips it00:34
mtaylorhm00:34
FujitsuThat's right.00:34
mtaylorwhy is that? 00:34
FujitsuIt should only be in the Packages file, I think. If you try to install it, does it respect the field?00:35
mtaylorno00:35
FujitsuGaah.00:35
mtaylorwhen I do an apt-cache show, it doesn't show on the ppa version in the cache00:35
FujitsuIt's a bug in the PPA generation code, which *might* be fixed in a couple of hours, but I'm not quite sure.00:35
mtaylorok00:35
mtaylorgood. at least it's not me!00:35
mtaylorbut I didn't think it was - since the  upstream debian version of essentially the same control file works00:36
mtaylorthanks!00:36
FujitsuIf you apt-cache show it after installing it, you should get at least a couple of entries. DOes one of them have the Pre-Depends field?00:36
mtayloryes. the one from ubuntu gutsy00:37
FujitsuWhich PPA is the broken package in?00:38
* Fujitsu will just check that this is indeed the problem.00:38
mtaylorhttp://ppa.launchpad.net/mysql-enterprise-pkg-testing/ubuntu00:38
mtaylormysql-server-5.0 should predepend on mysql-common00:39
mtaylorwhile I'm bugging you... do you happen to know the difference between ${Source-Version} ${source:Version} and ${binary:Version}? cause lintian tells me to use binary:Version, but I can't find docs about the different var ANYWHERE00:39
FujitsuThe first of those is deprecated.00:43
FujitsuThe changes are fairly new, and I don't believe there's much on them.00:43
FujitsuThe source:Version is the version of the source package, and the binary:Version that of the binary, unsurprisingly.00:43
FujitsuIn Ubuntu, they should always be identical, but not so in Debian.00:43
mtaylorFujitsu: sweet. 00:44
Fujitsu(I've looked at the Pre-Depends issue, and indeed it is the usual issue of the omission of some fields in Pre-Depends)00:44
mtaylorawesome00:44
mtaylorso it's theoretically fixed in the new push ? 00:44
FujitsuI would check if there is a fix, but the bug is marked private.00:45
FujitsuIt may be.00:45
mtaylorthat's nice00:45
mtaylor:)00:45
mtaylorwell, I'll reupload tomorrow and see if it builds right00:45
HobbseeFujitsu: finally!01:32
FujitsuYay.01:34
* mtaylor feels he's missed something01:34
mtaylorbut that's ok01:34
FujitsuNo more pkgbinarymangler over PPA.01:35
mtaylorw00t01:35
FujitsuNor ddebs, by the looks, which is good.01:35
Hobbseemtaylor: you should read hardy-changes.  it's interesting :)01:35
poolieso, i guess there's no way to build packages for debian rather than ubuntu in PPAs?01:35
Fujitsupoolie: Not at this point.01:35
Hobbseepoolie: nope01:35
mtaylorHobbsee: whereis? 01:35
Hobbseemtaylor: hardy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com01:36
mtaylorawesome!01:37
* Fujitsu wonders why he can access LP.01:39
pooliewhy not?01:39
FujitsuI thought downtime was meant to start 40 minutes ago.01:39
poolieFujitsu, i don't see any mail about it01:43
pooliebut, then, i might not01:43
FujitsuSee news.launchpad.net, though there should have been a mail.01:43
poolieFujitsu: 01:51
poolie<slangasek> I think news.l.n is wrong then :)01:51
FujitsuI would presume so.01:51
pooliehe thinks its tomorrow01:51
FujitsuThere were no emails, and no notice of impending doom on LP.01:52
FujitsuAha.01:52
Hobbseethat's because their email went down before the rest of it01:52
poolieheh01:52
poolieoops01:52
poolieour mail seems to be generally up now...01:52
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ubotuNew bug: #177368 in launchpad "Mailing list address are hardcoded to lists.launchpad.net" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17736802:16
ubotuNew bug: #177371 in launchpad "Label 'For this mailing list...' is cramped" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17737102:21
mtayloranybody know if there are plans for being able to delete stuff from launchpad? 02:49
Hobbseelp doesn't delete.02:49
mtaylorok02:49
Hobbseesays in their privacy policy02:49
Hobbseesome bits can appear to be deleted02:49
FujitsuWhat in particular are you looking to delete, mtaylor?02:49
Hobbseebut really arent'.02:50
mtaylorFujitsu: I was thinking of killing a project or two to consolidate02:50
mtaylorFujitsu: but it's not important enough to bother someone with02:50
mtaylorother than general wondering about the idea of a feature02:50
FujitsuAh. Those can be deactivated by poking a Launchpad administrator or asking a question on the launchpad project on LP. It's good to keep things clean.02:51
mtaylorok. well I'll do that if I actually get up the energy to reorg. :)02:51
* Fujitsu commends the LP devs on this release: most of the targetted stuff has actually been done :)02:53
thumperHobbsee: well, some things can be deleted03:06
Hobbseethumper: not from librarian, etc, though03:06
Hobbseeor backups03:06
thumperwell, the librarian does remove things that are no longer referenced03:06
thumperit is that most of the references aren't deletable :)03:07
Hobbseeheh :)03:07
thumperlinks are deletable03:07
thumperlike bug-branch or spec-branch links03:07
thumperprojects normally just get deactivated03:07
thumpermtaylor: you can request that an admin deactivates your projects if you are wanting to consolidate03:07
jmlFujitsu: thanks!03:39
FujitsuIt is a relief to not see lots of things being deferred right at the end of the cycle, which seems to have been the norm lately.03:40
jmlFujitsu: just curious, why is it a relief?03:42
FujitsuBecause bugs often get deferred release after release, so one gets an expectation that it will be fixed in a couple of weeks, only to find out just before it's meant to land that it won't appear for another couple of months.03:43
jmlFujitsu: from my pov, it was simply a change from "here's what we want to do" to "here's what we are going to do"03:44
jmlahh ok03:44
FujitsuThat is a good thing.03:44
jml(typing slow, learning dvorak)03:44
FujitsuHah, I am too. I had a lot of `z,cb' last week (attempting to type QWERTY /win on Dvorak)03:45
jml:)03:46
jmllots of "e.u" and "y.op" for me03:47
jml(guess what I do for a crust)03:47
jmlerr... y.oy03:48
jml(so hard to go back, so hard to go forward)03:48
FujitsuIt's rather odd to not be able to type particularly quickly at the moment, but I'm getting better.03:54
jmlodd? damn frustrating is how I'd put it03:55
FujitsuThat too.03:55
poolieyou'll like it when you get there04:36
FujitsuMhm.04:36
poolieand you'll appreciate the little bumps on F and J :)04:36
pooliejust don't look down :)04:36
FujitsuThere is no reason to look down.04:36
FujitsuWell, unless you memorise the mapping, I guess...04:37
* Hobbsee wonders how one goes about learning dvorak, if one can't see any keyboard04:39
pooliewhen i did it, i put a printout of the layout on the desk, and used that only when i forgot where things were04:40
poolieand just remembered relative to the home row04:40
* Fujitsu learnt the home row, and then learnt that much suffering would ensue if he didn't learn the rest.04:41
FujitsuThat helps.04:41
Hobbseeheh04:46
jmlpoolie: I've actually moved the keys around :/05:00
pooliethe keycaps05:00
poolienot a bad idea05:00
pooliebut, may be problematic when you need to use someone else's machine05:01
jmlpoolie: but that means I've lost my bumps05:01
jmlpoolie: I went for a couple of days with the original layout05:02
jmlI hope dvorak doesn't mean that I'll forever lose my ability to touch type05:03
FujitsuI originally tried to move all of mine, but discovered that Dell has put different layouts on the bottoms of some keys, so they won't fit elsewhere.05:04
jmlmacbooks are nice :)05:05
FujitsuAh.05:05
ubotuNew bug: #177401 in launchpad "Provide a way for users to edit their profile data from login.launchpad.net" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17740107:45
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ubotuNew bug: #177424 in rosetta "Wrong exception when omitting parameter to upload form" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17742409:35
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mtaylorkiko-phone: morning -- when you get a sec, I'd love to bug you about Pre-Depends12:21
mtaylorstatik: are you honestly awake already? (or still awake?)12:21
mtayloris it still the case that I shouldn't use bzr+ssh to push to launchpad? Or has bzr 1.0 been installed? 12:29
Hobbseebzr 1.0 is out12:30
mtaylorHobbsee: and installed on launchpad? 12:30
mwhudsonrollout is later today/early tomorrow12:30
mtaylorok. so I should continue to use sftp for now12:30
Hobbseemtaylor: good question.  was assuming so, but appraently not12:31
* Hobbsee has been using bzr+ssh for ages, regardless12:31
* mtaylor has too12:31
mtaylorbut just heard there was some problem with using it with launchpad... 12:31
mtaylorbetter safe than sorry12:31
spivmtaylor: bzr+ssh has been supported for launchpad for ages12:31
mtaylorsomeone yesterday said something about version mis-match or corruption or something12:31
mtaylorjust with 1.0 vs. not-1.0 I think - or I could just be on crack12:32
mtaylorbut if no one else is aware, then I'm guessing it's the crack12:32
spivSort of; it's to do with different default formats if it's the bug I think it is.12:32
spivIf you bump into it, you can always fallback to sftp://12:32
spivIt's fundamentally a bzr bug, not a launchpad bug though.12:33
mtaylorgreat. so it's not going to eat my data12:33
mtayloryes, of course. certainly not blaming launchpad :)12:33
spivNope, no data eating.12:33
mtayloryay! the data eating monster is full12:34
spivI don't think any data has been eaten in the lifetime of that service, in fact.12:34
* Hobbsee sacrifices a goat to launchpad, in the hope that anything she uploads doesn't get eaten.12:34
spiv(or if it has, it wasn't important enough data for someone to file a bug about it ;)12:35
* mtaylor has had a little data eaten - but it was bzr's fault again... and really /me's fault12:35
mtaylorok. so I ran rm -rf on the wrong thing... 12:35
spivHeh.12:36
spivYeah, there's a limit to what bzr can do about that.12:36
Hobbseespiv: or is it accepted as a fact of life that launchpad, particularly soyuz, likes eating things...12:36
mtaylorNO. It should solve ALL of my problems12:36
spivHobbsee: I'm not familiar with the details of soyuz bugs (happily)12:37
spivHobbsee: so I'm going to pass on that question12:37
Hobbseehehe12:38
Hobbseespiv: wise move :)12:38
Hobbseeactually, i haven't seen soyuz eat anything of mine in a while12:38
spivIf you have a bzr bug, I'd be happy to talk about that ;)12:38
Hobbseeperhaps that's because i've not actually *uploaded* much in a while12:38
spivWell, it's time for holidays anyway...12:38
Hobbseeyeah well12:39
ubotuNew bug: #177447 in malone "A bug I have reported does not show on my 'Bugs reported by' page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17744712:40
FujitsuDuuuuupe.12:41
spivFujitsu: maybe it's a dupe of something they already reported ;)12:42
mtaylortags still not supported by bzr on launchpad? 12:52
mtaylorbzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('bzr+ssh://monty@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Endb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags.12:53
kiko-phonemwhudson, ddaa?12:54
ddaathey are12:54
mtaylorbzr upgrade --dirstate-tags bzr+ssh://monty@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Endb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel/12:55
mtaylorbzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format.12:55
ddaamh12:55
* ddaa checks12:56
ddaamtaylor: the branch format is "Branch format 5", so it should be upgradable13:02
ddaamtaylor: we have weird stuff with bzr upgrade over bzr+ssh. Does it work better over plain sftp?13:02
ddaaI mean, "bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags" ovef sftp://13:03
mtaylorddaa: I will try13:09
mtaylorddaa: it seems to be working... (or at least doing something :) ) 13:10
ddaagood13:10
ddaabtw, if you want the full detail of the format versions, use "bzr info -v"13:10
* mtaylor keeps forgetting to try sftp when bzr+ssh fails13:10
ddaathere are really three format versions for any branch on launchpad: the bzrdir, the repository, and the branch. The two latter being components of the bzrdir.13:11
mtaylorso if I upgrade my branch, I'm not upgrading my repository, right? 13:11
ddaaright13:11
ddaatags are not versioned, they are just metadata in the branch, nothing is stored in the repository about them.13:12
mtaylorah. that answers my question :)13:12
ddaahopefully, the bzr+ssh problems will improve when we deploy bzr 1.0 server-side later this week.13:24
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ubotuNew bug: #177467 in soyuz "Redesign distribution/+ppas page" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17746714:10
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jonasbjorkmwhudson: did you look at my import issue today?14:27
mwhudsonjonasbjork: ddaa and i had a quick look14:27
mwhudsonwe didn't conclude very much though :/14:27
jonasbjorksomething went very wrong? ;)14:27
ddaathe pserver is giving a nonsensical answer, that we cannot reproduce by hand14:27
jonasbjorkis berlios.de blocking launchpad maybe?14:28
ddaamy hunch is that since the cvs server protocol is intended to be used by a dumb cvs client (the cvs client is really just an interpreter for commands sent by the server)14:28
ddaait would cache some state about what the tree would look like14:28
ddaaand when it receives some request to checkout something, it sometimes assumes that the client already has the data on disk and sends nothing14:29
ddaasince our import system is nothing like a normal cvs client, it seems plausible to me that we sometimes break such assumptions14:30
ddaaIt's a fairly long shot, but that's the only explanation that comes to my mind.14:30
jonasbjorkso best thing for me is to checkout cvs and import it into bazaar and then abandon berlios?14:31
ddaaI guess that this could be worked around. When we hit this particular nonsensical condition, we could start a new pserver connection to clear any server-side state.14:31
ddaajonasbjork: if you intent is to perform a one-off migration14:32
ddaayou could try bzr-cvsps14:32
ddaahttp://bazaar-vcs.org/CVSPSImport14:33
ddaathat does require you to have the cvs repo on a local filesystem though14:33
ddaaor you could try tailor too14:35
jonasbjorki'll try14:35
ubotuNew bug: #177470 in launchpad "branch +associations page should show if branch is dev focus of a series" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17747014:35
jonasbjorki can't remove/change trunk 14:37
jonasbjorksource details14:37
ddaajonasbjork: you should be able to, now14:39
jonasbjorkno control or bazaar14:40
jonasbjorkand my "trunk" is gone14:41
* ddaa clears everything14:41
jonasbjorkthanks14:41
jonasbjorkThis branch has not been scanned yet.15:02
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jonasbjorkthat means that my files are processing?15:02
mwhudsonjonasbjork: yes15:02
mwhudsonjonasbjork: should only be in that state for a few tens of seconds15:02
jonasbjorkit works :)15:02
jonasbjorkmwhudson: once again, thanks for your help.15:03
mwhudsonjonasbjork: np15:03
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ubotuNew bug: #177484 in launchpad "Registry admins should be able to see +review pages" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17748415:30
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ubotuNew bug: #177491 in launchpad "Need "Grid view" of projects " [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17749115:45
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ubotuNew bug: #177495 in malone "Bug watches should handle remote private bugs gracefully" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17749516:21
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ubotuNew bug: #177505 in malone "too hard to unsubscribe from bug reports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17750517:36
* pochu finds too hard to subscribe to bug reports too17:39
pochubug 645717:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 6457 in malone "Subscribe should work in one click" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645717:40
kikooy!17:44
pochuHmm, I just received a mail which says that I've been subscribed to a blueprint. But doesn't say who subscribed me! :)18:03
ubotuNew bug: #177508 in blueprint "Tell who subscribed you to a blueprint in the notification mail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17750818:21
jeromeghello18:46
jeromegwhere should I ask for a removal of a particular package of a ppa ?18:47
kikosee topic18:47
kikoanswers.launchpad.net18:47
jeromegthank you kiko18:47
kikoyou're welcome jeromeg 18:47
kikojeromeg, just saw that go in; mthaddon will sort it out as soon as he has a free moment.18:52
jeromegkiko: thank you very much, can i upload a package with the same name, but for the gutsy series ?18:53
kikojeromeg, not with the same version number18:53
jeromegkiko: ok thank you18:53
ubotuNew bug: #177516 in launchpad "Add archive test to mlist integration tests" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17751619:00
ubotuNew bug: #177519 in blueprint "No way to mark a blueprint invalid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17751919:20
ubotuNew bug: #177520 in malone ""Give feedback" is confusing and loses data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17752019:20
kalibafternoon19:25
kalibhey guys...anyone here is already using Kubuntu 8.04 ?19:25
kalibi just wanna know if that problem with notebook ATI sound is ok now on 8.04... :/19:28
ubotuNew bug: #177523 in launchpad "new mailing lists don't get public archive symlink" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17752319:30
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pochukalib: not the best place to ask, try #ubuntu+119:35
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ubotuNew bug: #177538 in launchpad "The hardware database page is using the wrong template displaying a 'no title'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17753820:25
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ubotuNew bug: #177541 in launchpad "Cannot import git branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17754120:50
mwhudsonduplicate!20:50
poeloq_re20:54
batomscould someone please do a bazaar upgrade for me at bazaar.launchpad.net/~bauble/bauble/trunk/21:43
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Rinchenthumper, ^^21:50
ubotuNew bug: #177557 in launchpad "Error while uploading file bigger than 60MB in +adddownloadfile form" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17755722:00
pochuargh with SF publicity mails... I hope you never do something similar :-)22:35
\shpochu, "Use LP to make money fast....Collect Karma for Coins" ? ,-)22:41
pochu\sh: then seb128 would be rich ;)22:42
\shpochu, seb128 is cheating :)))22:42
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ubotuNew bug: #177571 in launchpad "Need to find a way to migrate mailing lists from production to staging" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17757123:20
ubotuNew bug: #177572 in launchpad "Mailman archives have hardcoded links" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17757223:20
posingaspopularhey all, i keep getting a 'no data' error when I try to paste a signed Ubuntu CoC into the launchpad23:44

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