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mtaylor | anybody around with deb packaging zen enough to answer a question about pre-depends? | 00:31 |
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Fujitsu | mtaylor: You're probably better off asking in #ubuntu-motu, but I might be able to answer it. | 00:34 |
Fujitsu | (note that using Pre-Depends in a PPA package will, at the moment, make apt want to eternally upgrade it) | 00:34 |
mtaylor | Fujitsu: well, I've got a package with a Pre-Depends: and when I build it locally it's fine. But when I put it in a PPA package, it strips it | 00:34 |
mtaylor | hm | 00:34 |
Fujitsu | That's right. | 00:34 |
mtaylor | why is that? | 00:34 |
Fujitsu | It should only be in the Packages file, I think. If you try to install it, does it respect the field? | 00:35 |
mtaylor | no | 00:35 |
Fujitsu | Gaah. | 00:35 |
mtaylor | when I do an apt-cache show, it doesn't show on the ppa version in the cache | 00:35 |
Fujitsu | It's a bug in the PPA generation code, which *might* be fixed in a couple of hours, but I'm not quite sure. | 00:35 |
mtaylor | ok | 00:35 |
mtaylor | good. at least it's not me! | 00:35 |
mtaylor | but I didn't think it was - since the upstream debian version of essentially the same control file works | 00:36 |
mtaylor | thanks! | 00:36 |
Fujitsu | If you apt-cache show it after installing it, you should get at least a couple of entries. DOes one of them have the Pre-Depends field? | 00:36 |
mtaylor | yes. the one from ubuntu gutsy | 00:37 |
Fujitsu | Which PPA is the broken package in? | 00:38 |
* Fujitsu will just check that this is indeed the problem. | 00:38 | |
mtaylor | http://ppa.launchpad.net/mysql-enterprise-pkg-testing/ubuntu | 00:38 |
mtaylor | mysql-server-5.0 should predepend on mysql-common | 00:39 |
mtaylor | while I'm bugging you... do you happen to know the difference between ${Source-Version} ${source:Version} and ${binary:Version}? cause lintian tells me to use binary:Version, but I can't find docs about the different var ANYWHERE | 00:39 |
Fujitsu | The first of those is deprecated. | 00:43 |
Fujitsu | The changes are fairly new, and I don't believe there's much on them. | 00:43 |
Fujitsu | The source:Version is the version of the source package, and the binary:Version that of the binary, unsurprisingly. | 00:43 |
Fujitsu | In Ubuntu, they should always be identical, but not so in Debian. | 00:43 |
mtaylor | Fujitsu: sweet. | 00:44 |
Fujitsu | (I've looked at the Pre-Depends issue, and indeed it is the usual issue of the omission of some fields in Pre-Depends) | 00:44 |
mtaylor | awesome | 00:44 |
mtaylor | so it's theoretically fixed in the new push ? | 00:44 |
Fujitsu | I would check if there is a fix, but the bug is marked private. | 00:45 |
Fujitsu | It may be. | 00:45 |
mtaylor | that's nice | 00:45 |
mtaylor | :) | 00:45 |
mtaylor | well, I'll reupload tomorrow and see if it builds right | 00:45 |
Hobbsee | Fujitsu: finally! | 01:32 |
Fujitsu | Yay. | 01:34 |
* mtaylor feels he's missed something | 01:34 | |
mtaylor | but that's ok | 01:34 |
Fujitsu | No more pkgbinarymangler over PPA. | 01:35 |
mtaylor | w00t | 01:35 |
Fujitsu | Nor ddebs, by the looks, which is good. | 01:35 |
Hobbsee | mtaylor: you should read hardy-changes. it's interesting :) | 01:35 |
poolie | so, i guess there's no way to build packages for debian rather than ubuntu in PPAs? | 01:35 |
Fujitsu | poolie: Not at this point. | 01:35 |
Hobbsee | poolie: nope | 01:35 |
mtaylor | Hobbsee: whereis? | 01:35 |
Hobbsee | mtaylor: hardy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com | 01:36 |
mtaylor | awesome! | 01:37 |
* Fujitsu wonders why he can access LP. | 01:39 | |
poolie | why not? | 01:39 |
Fujitsu | I thought downtime was meant to start 40 minutes ago. | 01:39 |
poolie | Fujitsu, i don't see any mail about it | 01:43 |
poolie | but, then, i might not | 01:43 |
Fujitsu | See news.launchpad.net, though there should have been a mail. | 01:43 |
poolie | Fujitsu: | 01:51 |
poolie | <slangasek> I think news.l.n is wrong then :) | 01:51 |
Fujitsu | I would presume so. | 01:51 |
poolie | he thinks its tomorrow | 01:51 |
Fujitsu | There were no emails, and no notice of impending doom on LP. | 01:52 |
Fujitsu | Aha. | 01:52 |
Hobbsee | that's because their email went down before the rest of it | 01:52 |
poolie | heh | 01:52 |
poolie | oops | 01:52 |
poolie | our mail seems to be generally up now... | 01:52 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177368 in launchpad "Mailing list address are hardcoded to lists.launchpad.net" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177368 | 02:16 |
ubotu | New bug: #177371 in launchpad "Label 'For this mailing list...' is cramped" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177371 | 02:21 |
mtaylor | anybody know if there are plans for being able to delete stuff from launchpad? | 02:49 |
Hobbsee | lp doesn't delete. | 02:49 |
mtaylor | ok | 02:49 |
Hobbsee | says in their privacy policy | 02:49 |
Hobbsee | some bits can appear to be deleted | 02:49 |
Fujitsu | What in particular are you looking to delete, mtaylor? | 02:49 |
Hobbsee | but really arent'. | 02:50 |
mtaylor | Fujitsu: I was thinking of killing a project or two to consolidate | 02:50 |
mtaylor | Fujitsu: but it's not important enough to bother someone with | 02:50 |
mtaylor | other than general wondering about the idea of a feature | 02:50 |
Fujitsu | Ah. Those can be deactivated by poking a Launchpad administrator or asking a question on the launchpad project on LP. It's good to keep things clean. | 02:51 |
mtaylor | ok. well I'll do that if I actually get up the energy to reorg. :) | 02:51 |
* Fujitsu commends the LP devs on this release: most of the targetted stuff has actually been done :) | 02:53 | |
thumper | Hobbsee: well, some things can be deleted | 03:06 |
Hobbsee | thumper: not from librarian, etc, though | 03:06 |
Hobbsee | or backups | 03:06 |
thumper | well, the librarian does remove things that are no longer referenced | 03:06 |
thumper | it is that most of the references aren't deletable :) | 03:07 |
Hobbsee | heh :) | 03:07 |
thumper | links are deletable | 03:07 |
thumper | like bug-branch or spec-branch links | 03:07 |
thumper | projects normally just get deactivated | 03:07 |
thumper | mtaylor: you can request that an admin deactivates your projects if you are wanting to consolidate | 03:07 |
jml | Fujitsu: thanks! | 03:39 |
Fujitsu | It is a relief to not see lots of things being deferred right at the end of the cycle, which seems to have been the norm lately. | 03:40 |
jml | Fujitsu: just curious, why is it a relief? | 03:42 |
Fujitsu | Because bugs often get deferred release after release, so one gets an expectation that it will be fixed in a couple of weeks, only to find out just before it's meant to land that it won't appear for another couple of months. | 03:43 |
jml | Fujitsu: from my pov, it was simply a change from "here's what we want to do" to "here's what we are going to do" | 03:44 |
jml | ahh ok | 03:44 |
Fujitsu | That is a good thing. | 03:44 |
jml | (typing slow, learning dvorak) | 03:44 |
Fujitsu | Hah, I am too. I had a lot of `z,cb' last week (attempting to type QWERTY /win on Dvorak) | 03:45 |
jml | :) | 03:46 |
jml | lots of "e.u" and "y.op" for me | 03:47 |
jml | (guess what I do for a crust) | 03:47 |
jml | err... y.oy | 03:48 |
jml | (so hard to go back, so hard to go forward) | 03:48 |
Fujitsu | It's rather odd to not be able to type particularly quickly at the moment, but I'm getting better. | 03:54 |
jml | odd? damn frustrating is how I'd put it | 03:55 |
Fujitsu | That too. | 03:55 |
poolie | you'll like it when you get there | 04:36 |
Fujitsu | Mhm. | 04:36 |
poolie | and you'll appreciate the little bumps on F and J :) | 04:36 |
poolie | just don't look down :) | 04:36 |
Fujitsu | There is no reason to look down. | 04:36 |
Fujitsu | Well, unless you memorise the mapping, I guess... | 04:37 |
* Hobbsee wonders how one goes about learning dvorak, if one can't see any keyboard | 04:39 | |
poolie | when i did it, i put a printout of the layout on the desk, and used that only when i forgot where things were | 04:40 |
poolie | and just remembered relative to the home row | 04:40 |
* Fujitsu learnt the home row, and then learnt that much suffering would ensue if he didn't learn the rest. | 04:41 | |
Fujitsu | That helps. | 04:41 |
Hobbsee | heh | 04:46 |
jml | poolie: I've actually moved the keys around :/ | 05:00 |
poolie | the keycaps | 05:00 |
poolie | not a bad idea | 05:00 |
poolie | but, may be problematic when you need to use someone else's machine | 05:01 |
jml | poolie: but that means I've lost my bumps | 05:01 |
jml | poolie: I went for a couple of days with the original layout | 05:02 |
jml | I hope dvorak doesn't mean that I'll forever lose my ability to touch type | 05:03 |
Fujitsu | I originally tried to move all of mine, but discovered that Dell has put different layouts on the bottoms of some keys, so they won't fit elsewhere. | 05:04 |
jml | macbooks are nice :) | 05:05 |
Fujitsu | Ah. | 05:05 |
ubotu | New bug: #177401 in launchpad "Provide a way for users to edit their profile data from login.launchpad.net" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177401 | 07:45 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177424 in rosetta "Wrong exception when omitting parameter to upload form" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177424 | 09:35 |
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mtaylor | kiko-phone: morning -- when you get a sec, I'd love to bug you about Pre-Depends | 12:21 |
mtaylor | statik: are you honestly awake already? (or still awake?) | 12:21 |
mtaylor | is it still the case that I shouldn't use bzr+ssh to push to launchpad? Or has bzr 1.0 been installed? | 12:29 |
Hobbsee | bzr 1.0 is out | 12:30 |
mtaylor | Hobbsee: and installed on launchpad? | 12:30 |
mwhudson | rollout is later today/early tomorrow | 12:30 |
mtaylor | ok. so I should continue to use sftp for now | 12:30 |
Hobbsee | mtaylor: good question. was assuming so, but appraently not | 12:31 |
* Hobbsee has been using bzr+ssh for ages, regardless | 12:31 | |
* mtaylor has too | 12:31 | |
mtaylor | but just heard there was some problem with using it with launchpad... | 12:31 |
mtaylor | better safe than sorry | 12:31 |
spiv | mtaylor: bzr+ssh has been supported for launchpad for ages | 12:31 |
mtaylor | someone yesterday said something about version mis-match or corruption or something | 12:31 |
mtaylor | just with 1.0 vs. not-1.0 I think - or I could just be on crack | 12:32 |
mtaylor | but if no one else is aware, then I'm guessing it's the crack | 12:32 |
spiv | Sort of; it's to do with different default formats if it's the bug I think it is. | 12:32 |
spiv | If you bump into it, you can always fallback to sftp:// | 12:32 |
spiv | It's fundamentally a bzr bug, not a launchpad bug though. | 12:33 |
mtaylor | great. so it's not going to eat my data | 12:33 |
mtaylor | yes, of course. certainly not blaming launchpad :) | 12:33 |
spiv | Nope, no data eating. | 12:33 |
mtaylor | yay! the data eating monster is full | 12:34 |
spiv | I don't think any data has been eaten in the lifetime of that service, in fact. | 12:34 |
* Hobbsee sacrifices a goat to launchpad, in the hope that anything she uploads doesn't get eaten. | 12:34 | |
spiv | (or if it has, it wasn't important enough data for someone to file a bug about it ;) | 12:35 |
* mtaylor has had a little data eaten - but it was bzr's fault again... and really /me's fault | 12:35 | |
mtaylor | ok. so I ran rm -rf on the wrong thing... | 12:35 |
spiv | Heh. | 12:36 |
spiv | Yeah, there's a limit to what bzr can do about that. | 12:36 |
Hobbsee | spiv: or is it accepted as a fact of life that launchpad, particularly soyuz, likes eating things... | 12:36 |
mtaylor | NO. It should solve ALL of my problems | 12:36 |
spiv | Hobbsee: I'm not familiar with the details of soyuz bugs (happily) | 12:37 |
spiv | Hobbsee: so I'm going to pass on that question | 12:37 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 12:38 |
Hobbsee | spiv: wise move :) | 12:38 |
Hobbsee | actually, i haven't seen soyuz eat anything of mine in a while | 12:38 |
spiv | If you have a bzr bug, I'd be happy to talk about that ;) | 12:38 |
Hobbsee | perhaps that's because i've not actually *uploaded* much in a while | 12:38 |
spiv | Well, it's time for holidays anyway... | 12:38 |
Hobbsee | yeah well | 12:39 |
ubotu | New bug: #177447 in malone "A bug I have reported does not show on my 'Bugs reported by' page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177447 | 12:40 |
Fujitsu | Duuuuupe. | 12:41 |
spiv | Fujitsu: maybe it's a dupe of something they already reported ;) | 12:42 |
mtaylor | tags still not supported by bzr on launchpad? | 12:52 |
mtaylor | bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('bzr+ssh://monty@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Endb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags. | 12:53 |
kiko-phone | mwhudson, ddaa? | 12:54 |
ddaa | they are | 12:54 |
mtaylor | bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags bzr+ssh://monty@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Endb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel/ | 12:55 |
mtaylor | bzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format. | 12:55 |
ddaa | mh | 12:55 |
* ddaa checks | 12:56 | |
ddaa | mtaylor: the branch format is "Branch format 5", so it should be upgradable | 13:02 |
ddaa | mtaylor: we have weird stuff with bzr upgrade over bzr+ssh. Does it work better over plain sftp? | 13:02 |
ddaa | I mean, "bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags" ovef sftp:// | 13:03 |
mtaylor | ddaa: I will try | 13:09 |
mtaylor | ddaa: it seems to be working... (or at least doing something :) ) | 13:10 |
ddaa | good | 13:10 |
ddaa | btw, if you want the full detail of the format versions, use "bzr info -v" | 13:10 |
* mtaylor keeps forgetting to try sftp when bzr+ssh fails | 13:10 | |
ddaa | there are really three format versions for any branch on launchpad: the bzrdir, the repository, and the branch. The two latter being components of the bzrdir. | 13:11 |
mtaylor | so if I upgrade my branch, I'm not upgrading my repository, right? | 13:11 |
ddaa | right | 13:11 |
ddaa | tags are not versioned, they are just metadata in the branch, nothing is stored in the repository about them. | 13:12 |
mtaylor | ah. that answers my question :) | 13:12 |
ddaa | hopefully, the bzr+ssh problems will improve when we deploy bzr 1.0 server-side later this week. | 13:24 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177467 in soyuz "Redesign distribution/+ppas page" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177467 | 14:10 |
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jonasbjork | mwhudson: did you look at my import issue today? | 14:27 |
mwhudson | jonasbjork: ddaa and i had a quick look | 14:27 |
mwhudson | we didn't conclude very much though :/ | 14:27 |
jonasbjork | something went very wrong? ;) | 14:27 |
ddaa | the pserver is giving a nonsensical answer, that we cannot reproduce by hand | 14:27 |
jonasbjork | is berlios.de blocking launchpad maybe? | 14:28 |
ddaa | my hunch is that since the cvs server protocol is intended to be used by a dumb cvs client (the cvs client is really just an interpreter for commands sent by the server) | 14:28 |
ddaa | it would cache some state about what the tree would look like | 14:28 |
ddaa | and when it receives some request to checkout something, it sometimes assumes that the client already has the data on disk and sends nothing | 14:29 |
ddaa | since our import system is nothing like a normal cvs client, it seems plausible to me that we sometimes break such assumptions | 14:30 |
ddaa | It's a fairly long shot, but that's the only explanation that comes to my mind. | 14:30 |
jonasbjork | so best thing for me is to checkout cvs and import it into bazaar and then abandon berlios? | 14:31 |
ddaa | I guess that this could be worked around. When we hit this particular nonsensical condition, we could start a new pserver connection to clear any server-side state. | 14:31 |
ddaa | jonasbjork: if you intent is to perform a one-off migration | 14:32 |
ddaa | you could try bzr-cvsps | 14:32 |
ddaa | http://bazaar-vcs.org/CVSPSImport | 14:33 |
ddaa | that does require you to have the cvs repo on a local filesystem though | 14:33 |
ddaa | or you could try tailor too | 14:35 |
jonasbjork | i'll try | 14:35 |
ubotu | New bug: #177470 in launchpad "branch +associations page should show if branch is dev focus of a series" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177470 | 14:35 |
jonasbjork | i can't remove/change trunk | 14:37 |
jonasbjork | source details | 14:37 |
ddaa | jonasbjork: you should be able to, now | 14:39 |
jonasbjork | no control or bazaar | 14:40 |
jonasbjork | and my "trunk" is gone | 14:41 |
* ddaa clears everything | 14:41 | |
jonasbjork | thanks | 14:41 |
jonasbjork | This branch has not been scanned yet. | 15:02 |
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jonasbjork | that means that my files are processing? | 15:02 |
mwhudson | jonasbjork: yes | 15:02 |
mwhudson | jonasbjork: should only be in that state for a few tens of seconds | 15:02 |
jonasbjork | it works :) | 15:02 |
jonasbjork | mwhudson: once again, thanks for your help. | 15:03 |
mwhudson | jonasbjork: np | 15:03 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177484 in launchpad "Registry admins should be able to see +review pages" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177484 | 15:30 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177491 in launchpad "Need "Grid view" of projects " [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177491 | 15:45 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177495 in malone "Bug watches should handle remote private bugs gracefully" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177495 | 16:21 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177505 in malone "too hard to unsubscribe from bug reports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177505 | 17:36 |
* pochu finds too hard to subscribe to bug reports too | 17:39 | |
pochu | bug 6457 | 17:40 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 6457 in malone "Subscribe should work in one click" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6457 | 17:40 |
kiko | oy! | 17:44 |
pochu | Hmm, I just received a mail which says that I've been subscribed to a blueprint. But doesn't say who subscribed me! :) | 18:03 |
ubotu | New bug: #177508 in blueprint "Tell who subscribed you to a blueprint in the notification mail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177508 | 18:21 |
jeromeg | hello | 18:46 |
jeromeg | where should I ask for a removal of a particular package of a ppa ? | 18:47 |
kiko | see topic | 18:47 |
kiko | answers.launchpad.net | 18:47 |
jeromeg | thank you kiko | 18:47 |
kiko | you're welcome jeromeg | 18:47 |
kiko | jeromeg, just saw that go in; mthaddon will sort it out as soon as he has a free moment. | 18:52 |
jeromeg | kiko: thank you very much, can i upload a package with the same name, but for the gutsy series ? | 18:53 |
kiko | jeromeg, not with the same version number | 18:53 |
jeromeg | kiko: ok thank you | 18:53 |
ubotu | New bug: #177516 in launchpad "Add archive test to mlist integration tests" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177516 | 19:00 |
ubotu | New bug: #177519 in blueprint "No way to mark a blueprint invalid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177519 | 19:20 |
ubotu | New bug: #177520 in malone ""Give feedback" is confusing and loses data" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177520 | 19:20 |
kalib | afternoon | 19:25 |
kalib | hey guys...anyone here is already using Kubuntu 8.04 ? | 19:25 |
kalib | i just wanna know if that problem with notebook ATI sound is ok now on 8.04... :/ | 19:28 |
ubotu | New bug: #177523 in launchpad "new mailing lists don't get public archive symlink" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177523 | 19:30 |
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pochu | kalib: not the best place to ask, try #ubuntu+1 | 19:35 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177538 in launchpad "The hardware database page is using the wrong template displaying a 'no title'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177538 | 20:25 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177541 in launchpad "Cannot import git branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177541 | 20:50 |
mwhudson | duplicate! | 20:50 |
poeloq_ | re | 20:54 |
batoms | could someone please do a bazaar upgrade for me at bazaar.launchpad.net/~bauble/bauble/trunk/ | 21:43 |
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Rinchen | thumper, ^^ | 21:50 |
ubotu | New bug: #177557 in launchpad "Error while uploading file bigger than 60MB in +adddownloadfile form" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177557 | 22:00 |
pochu | argh with SF publicity mails... I hope you never do something similar :-) | 22:35 |
\sh | pochu, "Use LP to make money fast....Collect Karma for Coins" ? ,-) | 22:41 |
pochu | \sh: then seb128 would be rich ;) | 22:42 |
\sh | pochu, seb128 is cheating :))) | 22:42 |
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ubotu | New bug: #177571 in launchpad "Need to find a way to migrate mailing lists from production to staging" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177571 | 23:20 |
ubotu | New bug: #177572 in launchpad "Mailman archives have hardcoded links" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177572 | 23:20 |
posingaspopular | hey all, i keep getting a 'no data' error when I try to paste a signed Ubuntu CoC into the launchpad | 23:44 |
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