[00:00] <soren> Try the link from above again.
[00:07] <Goosemoose> works now
[00:19] <soren> Great.
[00:20] <Goosemoose> trying to reinstall now
[00:23]  * soren is going to bed
[00:34] <Goosemoose> good night!
[00:34] <Goosemoose> im taking off for home
[00:34] <Goosemoose> ill check on this tomorrow
[06:27] <CIA-4> ubiquity: superm1 * r2396 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog desktop/ubiquity-mythbuntu.desktop.in): show proper image in ubiquity-mythbuntu.desktop
[09:15] <CIA-4> casper: cjwatson * r455 casper/debian/ (casper.init changelog):
[09:15] <CIA-4> casper: * Avoid ejecting the CD if booting from an ISO image rather than from a
[09:15] <CIA-4> casper:  physical CD (thanks, Agostino Russo; LP: #176014).
[09:20] <CIA-4> casper: cjwatson * r456 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.113
[11:36] <xivulon> cjwatson, I am back, thanks for the thumbs up
[11:37] <xivulon> I have posted a second patch for fstab.d (bug 173659)
[11:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173659 in partman-auto-loop "Add /host/boot to fstab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173659
[11:38] <xivulon> That said I think I have to go through finish.d as well since the mounting scripts there do not seem to like bindmounts
[11:39] <xivulon> did not have time to do it yesterday
[17:48] <Goosemoose> Hey Guys
[17:49] <Goosemoose> Soren, that fix yesterday worked for security, the install went through fine. Only problem now is that I still need to remove 'splash' from grub to get ubuntu to start
[17:57] <Goosemoose> cjwatson, you around?
[18:11] <Goosemoose> hey stgraber, i noticed you don't have any monitor d-i commands in your preseed file, how are you handling that?
[18:17] <Torgoton> Hey all. I know this may be the wrong forum, but I'm having serious trouble with the Mini ISO, and no one in #ubuntu seems to have any clue that the Mini ISO even exists. Would I be way OT here?
[18:19] <Goosemoose> Sorry, I'm not sure what the mini iso is either. That like the usb version?
[18:20] <Torgoton> It's a small ISO (9MB for Gutsy) that is supposed to allow installation over a network. It crashes on my system.
[18:21] <Goosemoose> Ahh, I'm installing over a network using a local server and a tftp server
[18:21] <Goosemoose> that what you're talking about?
[18:22] <Torgoton> Yes, but the Mini ISO is supposed to ... help ... and be a smaller download. I also think it can use ftp or http besides tftp, and it can install from the usual repositories.
[18:25] <Torgoton> I have captured the startup log here, FYI: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48887/
[18:26] <Goosemoose> Sorry, I wouldn't the one to help you there. I'm still trying to get my network install to work properly
[18:27] <Torgoton> Best of luck!
[18:27] <Goosemoose> you too
[18:27] <Goosemoose> when some of the other guys come back around , they are very helpful
[18:46] <Torgoton> Thanks. Any other rooms you might suggest?
[18:46] <Torgoton> #ubuntu-boot maybe?
[18:47] <Torgoton> laptop? server?
[19:36] <Goosemoose> ubuntu-server
[19:48] <xivulon> Goosemoose if you install over a local server you may also use pxe booting without any need for an ISO
[19:48] <xivulon> unknown_bootoption+0x0/0x260 might that be because of bad memory?
[19:49] <xivulon> at least that was what came out on a quick googling
[19:49] <xivulon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=516953
[19:50] <xivulon> don't think that unknown_bootoption is per se a fatal error though
[19:59] <xivulon> the command line options look strange
[20:00] <xivulon> Here is a guide for pxe installation: http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[20:16] <xivulon> Torgoton see if the above helps
[20:18] <xivulon> The dump shows 36MB available, is this what you have?
[20:18] <Torgoton> xivulon, thanks! But I haven't found a PXE guide that works with a laptop. I'm going to try with the alternate CD. Downloading now.
[20:18] <Torgoton> Yes 36MB.
[20:20] <xivulon> Not sure whether that is enough for Ubuntu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[20:21] <xivulon> even though I would not think that would trigger a kernel panic
[20:23] <xivulon> for PXE you need to have an ethernet card/bios that supports network booting
[20:23] <Torgoton> A page says the alternate requires 32MB
[20:24] <Torgoton> My laptop does, but the card doesn't. There are boot floppies that then do a PXE, but not for laptops, that I've seen.
[20:25] <Torgoton> here it is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[20:27] <xivulon> 32MB is the absolute minimum, you might also want to consider distros that are designed for low spec such as DSL or PuppyLinux
[20:27] <Torgoton> I tried DSL, but DSL really likes a CD drive, and this machine doesn't have one. Since Ubuntu claims to need 32MB RAM, and run on a 486, I'd really like to give it a good try.
[20:34] <xivulon> did you try different acpi boot options such as acpi=off/acpi=force?
[20:34] <Torgoton> heh. there's no ACPI on this machine. I have tried NOACPI.
[20:34] <xivulon> acpi=off
[20:35] <Torgoton> ok. I'll try that. I'm copying the alternate ISO to the machine now (will take 35 minutes!) and then will extract the files to a partition, then use lilo to start it, like I did the mini ISO.
[20:41] <Goosemoose> xivulon, i am using pxe for my installs
[20:41] <Goosemoose> Torgoton is using the iso
[20:42] <Goosemoose> my problem is the splash line in grub is preventing startup
[20:42] <Goosemoose> i have to manually remove it
[20:43] <xivulon> Torgoton, if you have to go through all that trouble and already have a bootloader capable of launching a kernel (assuming you can also make it work) then you can use a netboot approach
[20:44] <Torgoton> One would think. I tried debootstrap, but since I'm on Woody, it fails because the kernel is too old when it attempts to chroot.
[20:45] <xivulon> you save on HD the netboot kernel/initrd and boot those with whatever bootloader you want, it's still an alternate installer except that deb packages are downloaded on the fly
[20:46] <xivulon> Goosemoose what do you mean that usplash is preventing startup? And why is it difficult to remove?
[20:47] <xivulon> # defoptions=quiet splash
[20:48] <Goosemoose> because im using pxe to install on 500 machines
[20:48] <xivulon> that's the menu.lst line to change then you run update-grub
[20:48] <Goosemoose> yes, in the grub line the command splash is creating a blank screen on boot
[20:48] <Goosemoose> if i remove it , im fine
[20:48] <Torgoton> xivulon, netboot kernel/initrd is exactly what should be on the mini iso. That didn't seem to work, as seen by my debug dump.
[20:49] <xivulon> netboot spares you the trouble to download a full ISO, it does not fix kernel panic.
[20:49] <Torgoton> heh
[20:50] <xivulon> It does not matter what installation method you use since all use the same kernel
[20:50] <Torgoton> well then... what's the issue, might you suppose?
[20:51] <xivulon> I am not a kernel expert by a long stretch, I suppose acpi or memory.
[20:53] <Torgoton> Does the kernel really work on a 486? I mean... do you know what would happen if it were compiled for pentium?
[20:53] <xivulon> Goosemoose, "splash" should be in the kernel options passed to the pxe clients by the server
[20:54] <xivulon> My guess is that the kernel should work on a 486, but do not trust what I say on this topic
[20:56] <Goosemoose> these are P4's
[20:57] <xivulon> P4 will surely work
[20:57] <Goosemoose> only works if i remove splash
[21:00] <xivulon> my bad was thinking you where referring about usplash in the installation initrd as opposed to the installed initrd, of course the first one does not use usplash at all
[21:03] <xivulon> not sure if you can preseed menu.lst defoptions
[21:04] <xivulon> I seem to remember that defoptions is generated also using installation-time boot parameters (cannot look at the code now)
[21:07] <xivulon> In case you can use late_command/success_command to change that
[21:10] <Goosemoose> hmm
[21:16] <xivulon> no framebuffer also has as sideeffect to disable splash in menu.lst
[21:17] <xivulon> debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[21:17] <xivulon> I am sure cjwatson can suggest more elegant ways
[21:22] <xivulon> it's worth trying booting with "nosplash" that might be carried through via grub-installer into menu.lst
[21:48] <Goosemoose> does the framebuffer=false have any other affects?