[00:21] <owh> Figured out why the examples don't all work, /bin/sh is symlinked to dash which doesn't support the bash extension 'source'. That helps :)
[00:35] <nealmcb> owh: the gui direction for hardy and beyond is ebox - web-based
[00:36] <owh> Yikes
[00:36] <owh> I suppose it allows for remote admin.
[00:37] <owh> Hmm, it means that I'm going to have to rethink my setup though.
[00:37] <owh> Thanks nealmcb.
[00:37] <nealmcb> and avoids the huge security, support and bloat issues with x11 etc
[00:37] <owh> Fair enough.
[00:37] <dantalizing> is btmp/lastb disabled somehow on server?
[00:38] <owh> At this point I've been working along different lines, that is, hardware is so powerful these days, running an idle GUI isn't really an issue.
[00:38] <nealmcb> owh: I assume you've seen gadmintools etc?
[00:38] <owh> Yeah, I liked the notion of the dhcp admin tool, right until I actually had to use it. Then I nearly threw up.
[00:39] <owh> Talk about an abomination in user interface interaction :(
[00:39] <nealmcb> owh: also, no need to constrain servers to be hot desktop-capable machines....
[00:39] <nealmcb> I haven't tried it - just noticed it
[00:40] <owh> Yeah, that's fair enough, though low end servers while required and useful are the least of my problems :)
[00:40] <nealmcb> most servers in the world are tiny boxes after all - like routers that already do web-based admin
[00:41] <owh> I was trying to cobble together a GUI for the ubuntu-jeos-build script for a system administrator.
[00:41] <owh> Yeah, don't you just love the web-based admin tools :)
[00:41] <nealmcb> so jump in and connect with the upstream ebox folks - we could use the help!
[00:42] <owh> I'll give it a look :)
[00:42] <owh> 'm assuming you're one of those?
[00:42] <nealmcb> :)
[00:42] <nealmcb> nope
[00:43] <nealmcb> have enough on my plate as it is!
[00:43] <owh> ROTFL, don't we all?
[00:43] <nealmcb> we == server team
[00:43] <nealmcb> yeah - but it is great to share the burden with others who have similar goals :-)
[00:44] <owh> Sure is, now if only I had enough hours in the day to achieve all that I wanted to, wouldn't that be grand :)
[00:47] <owh> ebox is looking pretty nice I must confess.
[00:54] <owh> Not sure if I really want to install it onto each jeos vm though. It seems I may have no choice.
[01:57] <ScottK> nealmcb: I hope you meant that reply to go to the list ...
[03:29] <nealmcb> ScottK: oops - yup - thanks
[04:09] <stiv2k> hey
[04:10] <stiv2k> does anyone know of a good guide / howto for setting up an OpenVPN server?  I have NO experience with VPN whatsoever....
[04:10] <stiv2k> i basically just want to be able to access my music shares on my server from anywhere in the world and someone told me OpenVPN can do that....
[04:20] <antdedyet> soren: missed kvm 56 and got kvm 57, had to manually move /usr/src/modules/kvm out of the way before that package extracted properly though
[04:20] <antdedyet> about to test more ...
[04:30] <antdedyet> soren: er, before that package extracted properly = before m-a would build the new source, possibly --force would have helped here.
[04:43]  * nealmcb finishes reading the meeting transcript from this morning
[04:43] <nealmcb> looks good.  sorry to miss you all
[04:59]  * lamont struggles to understand why gutsy/ia64 doesn't configure raid-root devices
[04:59] <lamont> other than the fact that the initramfs hooks all got ripped out
[05:00] <lamont> which seems to point at udev not getting events for stuff or some such
[05:01] <lamont> hrm... maybe having raid modules in the initramfs would help
[05:11] <rodpod> why is the path for update-grub changing
[05:12] <rodpod> whats the point..
[05:36] <stiv2k> anyone here???
[05:48] <nealmcb> !ask
[05:48] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:49] <nealmcb> stiv2k: ^
[06:02] <stiv2k> ah yes
[06:03] <stiv2k> nealmcb: i'm well aware of that rule... though i've always contested that there's no use in asking a question when nobody's around to answer it ;)
[06:03] <stiv2k> nealmcb: do you have any experience / knowledge of OpenVPN ?
[06:06] <stiv2k> oh yes
[06:06] <stiv2k> nealmcb: also, if you'll scroll up, you'll notice that I actually did ask my question earlier, instead of asking to ask :)
[06:17] <nealmcb> stiv2k: the problem is, without context, there isn't any basis for people to offer to help.  I now see your query above, but forgot that you were the one that asked it.  and I don't have an answer.   bother.
[06:18] <stiv2k> nealmcb: hehe how about this one (although unrelated to this channel), have you ever seen or used a Mac Book Pro ?
[06:18] <nealmcb> nope
[06:18] <stiv2k> my cousin has one and its sitting here on the coffee table
[06:19] <stiv2k> i'm quite confused because I can't seem to find a CD drive on the thing
[06:19] <stiv2k> furthermore it doesn't seem to hav _any_ ventilation / cooling fans
[06:19] <stiv2k> is that unusual for a notebook or what?
[06:19] <nealmcb> this isn't a good channel to find laptop insights....
[06:20] <stiv2k> yeah it just popped into my head
[06:20] <stiv2k> does freenode have some sort of #mac channel or something
[06:21] <nealmcb> Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html || Guide on asking questions that get answered: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[06:21] <nealmcb> really - they'll help you get great answers :-)
[06:23] <stiv2k> right.
[06:23] <stiv2k> maybe after i have a cigarette...
[06:23]  * stiv2k is fiending
[07:36] <kraut> moin
[10:19] <Ahmuck> hi, why does ubuntu jeos need reiserfs programs?
[10:19] <Ahmuck> or ppp?
[10:25] <`6og> because
[10:42] <_ruben> hmm .. the limited (debian) docs shipped with openswan-modules-source package contains not-working desciptions on how to build a klips kernel module :(
[10:43] <_ruben> guess i'll try the alternative road: recompile kernel with klips support, would involve nat-t support as 'free' bonus
[11:07] <_ruben> grr .. that aint working either .. time for lunch
[11:15] <antdedyet> _ruben: is it something you could use openvpn for instead?
[11:20]  * antdedyet hasn't use S/WAN since FreeS/WAN 
[11:42] <_ruben> antdedyet: we use openvpn for roadwarriors and openswan for site-to-site currently (on suse)
[11:44] <_ruben> i havent used make-kpkg in years so i have no idea what might be causing this: http://pastebin.ca/823456
[11:54] <antdedyet> _ruben: you might try running make-kpkg with --config menuconfig and then saving the config on exit without changing any config options, but that's purely a guess as I've never had problems running make-kpkg that way instead of with the default config target (--config oldconfig is implied according to the man page)
[12:01] <_ruben> antdedyet: same thing :(
[12:03] <_ruben> now it does work .. i think .. odd
[12:06] <antdedyet> _ruben: ah. :)
[12:06] <_ruben> compiling kernel under vmware .. see you next week :p
[12:41] <_ruben> just curious .. why is there a linux-patch-openswan package to build your own klips-enabled kernel, but no precompiled klips-enabled kernel?
[13:21] <_ruben> bah .. kernel build bailed out with an error
[14:45] <Bounce> hi all
[14:46] <Bounce> does someone know something about nic bonding ?
[14:47] <_ruben> a little
[14:47] <Bounce> Hi Ruben
[14:49] <_ruben> dont have much experience with it, yet, but do have a few boxes use it
[14:49] <_ruben> not on ubuntu (yet), though
[14:49] <Bounce> do you use ubuntu gutsy with it ?
[14:50] <Bounce> which OS do you use ?
[14:50] <_ruben> what is your actual problem/question? it might not be ubuntu specific
[14:50] <_ruben> windows and suse
[14:50] <Bounce> ok
[14:50] <Bounce> my win2k3 server it works fine
[14:51] <Bounce> but i've got also 1x openfiler san
[14:51] <Bounce> and a ubuntu vmware server
[14:51] <Bounce> running on gutsy amd64
[14:52] <Bounce> both are HP proliants with 2 nics
[14:52] <Bounce> the problems i found a link for arrgeration
[14:52] <Bounce> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinkAggregation
[14:53] <Bounce> but I cannot the modutils
[14:53] <Bounce> the link/document says that I have to modifie the document /etc/modutils/actions
[14:54] <Bounce> but it doesn't exists in gutsy server AMD64
[14:55] <Bounce> I've tried to install the modutils, but I cannot install it.
[14:55] <_ruben> lets check on x86 (playing with 2 vmware instances of it now)
[14:55] <Bounce> it's driving me insain
[14:56] <Bounce> :-(
[14:56] <_ruben> not present here either
[14:56] <KyleS-work> I have a question regarding Ubuntu server...is it any good?
[14:57] <_ruben> KyleS-work: is what any good?
[14:57] <KyleS-work> Ubuntu Server
[14:57] <KyleS-work> I was thinking about installing it, but I wasn't sure how well it performed
[14:57] <_ruben> Bounce: im guessing you tried skipping that step?
[14:57] <_ruben> KyleS-work: i doubt you'd find any negative answers here .. im only experimenting with it yet (planning on migrating from suse to ubuntu), and im rather fond of it so far
[14:58] <KyleS-work> ah
[14:58] <Bounce> I use it here in production
[14:58] <KyleS-work> I use Ubuntu Desktop, and Debian server right now on my older computer
[14:58] <KyleS-work> but I'm getting a new server in the mail soon
[14:58] <Bounce> my vmware servers are ubuntu server amd64
[14:58] <KyleS-work> And I was thinking of migrating to Ubuntu as it's more updated
[14:58] <Bounce> I had no choice
[14:59] <KyleS-work> Why's that?
[14:59] <Bounce> I wanted VMware infrastructure
[14:59] <Bounce> but for now it's to expensice
[14:59] <Bounce> so I build it on ubuntu (with amd64 support)(
[14:59] <KyleS-work> ah
[14:59] <Bounce> :-P
[15:00] <Bounce> works very good
[15:00] <KyleS-work> I'll try it then :P
[15:00] <Bounce> got 7 production machines on one vmware server
[15:00] <Bounce> :-P
[15:00] <KyleS-work> I was debating between Gentoo, Cent OS and Ubuntu Server
[15:00] <Bounce> true
[15:00] <Bounce> me to
[15:00] <Bounce> openfiler is based on Cent OS
[15:01] <Bounce> I use it as my test san
[15:01] <Bounce> my only problem is to speed up
[15:01] <Bounce> I have to go for now
[15:01] <Bounce> my wife (and my sons) are waiting
[15:01] <Bounce> see u tonight
[15:01] <Bounce> bye
[15:23] <dantalizing> if anyone is awake, i have a raid question
[15:24] <dantalizing> i uploaded a dapper server to feisty, and went through the raid verification process
[15:24] <dantalizing> but mkconf gives me different UIDs from what is in my /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[15:25] <dantalizing> mdrun works fine with my existing UIDs
[15:25] <_ruben> i always mdadm to work with my raid confings
[15:25] <_ruben> +use
[15:26] <dantalizing> the verification process suggests using mkconf to verify existing settings, but doesnt suggest what to do if they differ :(
[15:26] <_ruben> never used those commands, so cant really help out here
[15:26] <dantalizing> this is a data partition, so not that big of a deal, but just wondering if i should not trust mkconf, or if its possible mdrun is working _in spite_ of my existing settings
[15:27] <_ruben> is there a way to recreate /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? if so i'd just make backup of that file, and recreate it
[15:27] <_ruben> maybe even run a diff on those to see if there might be any obvious discrepencies
[15:28] <dantalizing> well my current mdadm.conf is hand made, so doesnt have all the comments...but the big thing is the disk UIDs are different
[15:28] <dantalizing> i can make a backup and try
[15:29] <dantalizing> but mainly wondering why mkconf is telling me something different from what is currently working
[15:30] <_ruben> different as in completely different, or just in a diff order?
[15:31] <dantalizing> differnt uids
[15:31] <_ruben> odd
[15:31] <dantalizing> generated by mkconf: ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid10 num-devices=4 UUID=5d418565:6b3cb3b3:459da527:187157b7
[15:31] <dantalizing> exisiting in my mdadm.conf: ARRAY /dev/.static/dev/md0 level=raid10 num-devices=4 UUID=5d418565:6b3cb3b3:7559ceb6:c7f89e22
[15:32] <_ruben> 2 are identical .. 2 differ .. very odd
[15:32] <dantalizing> never noticed the .static until i just pasted it
[15:33] <_ruben> the only thing i can think of (and i know its rather far-fetched) is that there's some hashing algo involved which changed slightly
[15:33] <_ruben> or smth in the drivers
[15:33] <_ruben> either way, its a strange problem
[16:55] <rgl> hi
[16:56] <rgl> for some reason my server rebooted itself, and now the raid1 software is in this weird state: md3 : inactive sda7[0](S)  you guys known how to fix this?
[16:56] <rgl> it should have two partitions, sda7 and sdb7, but for some reason only one is in there :/
[17:55] <martin___> Hi. Does anyone know a 3rd part yrepository offering a threaded version of apache with php5 or more precisely, offering a php5 version that does not depend on the prefork mpm?
[17:57] <pisi> I'm about to compile php by hand but I'd like to apt-get install instead.
[18:07] <ScottK> leonel: Debian just released a security update for Etch that may help you finding patches for Feisty/Gutsy.
[18:13] <leonel> ScottK:  according to  the changelogs  we are up to date  with  feisty and gutsy
[18:32] <leonel> ScottK2:   according to  the changelogs  we are up to date  with  feisty and gutsy
[18:34] <ScottK2> leonel: You looked at http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/clamav/clamav_0.90.1-3etch8.dsc
[18:34] <ScottK2> It may be we are up to date, but I want to make sure...
[18:36] <leonel> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=clamav&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all  <-- just this  no  etch8
[18:39] <ScottK2> Etch8 was just release.  Get that package and check there.
[18:39] <ScottK2> dget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/clamav/clamav_0.90.1-3etch8.dsc should do it.
[18:40] <leonel> wow  dget ... nice ..
[18:50] <Ahmuck> hi.  it appeared that ubuntu-server jeos found my nic and configured dhcp, however upon reboot, not eth* is listed
[18:50] <Ahmuck> what should i do?
[18:50] <ivoks> check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[18:56] <Ahmuck> drivers ?*
[18:56] <Ahmuck> is that the problem?
[18:56] <Ahmuck> iirc, it started the nic with pc card services
[18:57] <ivoks> did you check the file i told you?
[18:57] <ivoks> it should have mac address followed by the name of interface
[18:57] <ivoks> something like this:
[18:58] <ivoks> SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:0e:7b:4d:54:e6", NAME="eth0"
[19:00] <Ahmuck> yes, it says that exactly with the exception of the address
[19:00] <leonel> ScottK: CVE-2007-6336  and  CVE-2007-6335   need patch for gutsy ..  patching ..    after  I'll chek  feisty
[19:00] <ubotu> ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-6336)
[19:01] <ubotu> ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-6335)
[19:01] <ivoks> Ahmuck: is the mac address correct?
[19:01] <Ahmuck> could it be because of the "virtual kernel" jeos uses?
[19:01] <Ahmuck> let me check
[19:02] <Ahmuck> 00:50:04:d7:22:df
[19:02] <ScottK> leonel: Great.
[19:03] <ivoks> i never used jeos
[19:03] <Ahmuck> 3c905x
[19:03] <Ahmuck> hrm
[19:04] <Ahmuck> k, NAME= should be NAME== ?
[19:05] <Ahmuck> looking at yours, mine is identical with the exception of the mac address
[19:49] <CarlFK> where is the u-server version of http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[19:50] <CarlFK> I am trying to find where I can wget the installer kernel/initrd
[21:30] <Bounce> hi all
[21:31] <somerville32> Hi
[21:33] <Bounce> all ubuntu admins are here ?
[21:35] <somerville32> Bounce, What do you mean by Ubuntu Admins? :)
[21:36] <Bounce> I having a little problem with networkbonding
[21:36] <Bounce> I hope someone could help me
[21:37] <Bounce> I am an win admin
[21:37] <macd> Bounce, just ask your question, someone who knows will answer.
[21:38] <Bounce> and I started with ubuntu in my production environment, everything works fine online the nic bonding
[22:58] <Bjor1> Hey guys, Im using the Ubuntu-desktop version. And I installed Oracle 11g using the http://www.dizwell.com/prod/node/929 guide. However I have no clue how to start it. Could anyone help me with that?
[22:59] <ikonia> Bjor1: Oracle is not supported on ubuntu by either Oracle or Ubuntu
[23:00] <somerville32> Bjor1, One second.
[23:00] <Bjor1> ikonia, well obv people got it running so why cant I ask other USERS.
[23:00] <ikonia> who has it running ?
[23:01] <Bjor1> http://www.supinfo-projects.com/en/2006/oracle_on_ubuntu/ this guy for example
[23:01] <ikonia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=622087
[23:01] <ikonia> it's not supported
[23:01] <ikonia> there are some issues
[23:02] <Bjor1> really weird sinds debian is supported :o
[23:02] <Bjor1> *since
[23:03] <ikonia> where does it say debian is supported ?
[23:03] <ikonia> I know there is a package in a debian repo
[23:04] <somerville32> Bjor1, By the sounds of the tutorial you followed, Oracle should have started after installation
[23:05] <ikonia> there are some incompatabilities between ubuntu and oracle 10 and 11
[23:05] <ikonia> more so with some of the "G"  functionalities
[23:05] <somerville32> Bjor1, Is there any reason you want to use Oracle anyhow?
[23:09] <Bjor1> somerville32, yes I need it badly for my education "software engineering", and I can run all my tools needed on Linux but oracle db software isn't working.
[23:10] <somerville32> Bjor1, You need Oracle for a course? You might want to consider using it on a support platform then so you don't get inconsistencies that might affect your mark or something? ;]
[23:10] <Bjor1> haha
[23:10] <ikonia> surly not what I said in the first place
[23:10] <somerville32> Bjor1, However, the tutorial says you should just be able to use good ol' SQL*Plus after installation
[23:10] <somerville32> Bjor1, Have you tried that?
[23:12] <Bjor1> not yet
[23:12] <Bjor1> but im in contact, with the writer of the guide
[23:13] <Bjor1> otherwise iĺl install a v.small extra linux distro or use windows.
[23:13] <Bjor1> Need to use it for crapsis, to finish a other project anyway
[23:13] <Bjor1> crapsis = acces ;)
[23:17] <somerville32> :)